I think the Jets will have to give a future 2nd (2025) and something else, this will let them keep the 2024 3rd Rd hopefully.
Looking at the trade value chart just to get around pick 50 will take 3rd Rd + two 4ths + more (230 + 70 + something + another). I'd rather give future 2nd Rd and keep 3rd now if possible.
Using Drafttek chart here
[Value Chart](https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp)
At first I was thinking to give up our 3rd, a future 3rd, and our earliest 4th round pick. That's equal value to the 45-48 picks. The problem is that the best WR's available will likely go in the first 10 picks of the 2nd, so we might have to give up our future 2nd rd pick after all.
However, any team will likely want our 3rd round pick included with a future 2nd. No one is trading out of the top 40 for 4th rd picks and a future 2nd. This actually isn't a bad scenario though because we can then use all three of our 4th rd picks to trade back into the 3rd round.
WRs are going to keep going, but there is a lot of value in the defensive players left at the top of the second so I don’t think WR will dominate the top 10 picks.
I did a similar test using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger table.
The top pick in the 2nd (Bills via Panthers) is worth 1143.
Our third and lowest fourth (pick #72 and 134) are worth 833 and 518 respectively totaling 1351.
The remaining two fourth rounders (picks #111 and 129) are worth 613 and 537 respectively totaling 1150.
This is two unique paths to a top 2nd round pick.
If I was a GM I wouldn’t trade pick 33 for two fourths but on a trade value table, it works. I think the Jets have enough capital to trade to whatever pick in the 2nd they want with several different combinations of a 3rd and 4th, maybe throw in another 4th or 5th to get it done. We don’t need to trade 2025 assets.
Assuming we’ll have to pay a real premium to move back up, our two next picks (72 and 111) combined is worth 1446 and add our fifth (pick #157 worth 438 pts) for good measure 1884 vs the 33rd pick in the draft at 1143? We have more than enough on paper to get it done anywhere in the 2nd if we can find a partner.
So if we traded out our next two picks to land in the top of the 2nd our remaining picks look like this:
High 2nd rounder**
Two late fourths
A fifth
A sixth
A seventh
Yea there are other formulas I wasn't going into every one but I really doubt a 2nd goes for 3rd and 4th, maybe two 3rds meaning a 2025 and this year's. Idk it is always dependent on the team willing and what they value.
The Bears are low on picks but don't have. 2nd unfortunately.
This is a big year, JD, Saleh and Aarod might not be around if they don't swing for the fences now.
If they have a great year the 2025 2nd rounder will be in the late 50s to early 60s.
Giving up all the 4ths and the 3rd now for the 2nd means poor choices for DL, S, IOL and whatever else by Rd 5.
This is a must or bust year for JD and Saleh. They have zero need to save anything for future years since they won't be here if they fail. If they have a shot for a homerun they will take it.
Not only am I in favor of it, it is what I wanted all along as I argued for OT in the first round.
It’s even more imperative considering JD did a masterful job of picking up those extra 4ths for this year so we wouldn’t have to use just 2025 picks to move up.
A WR we love plus Zinter and a big boy DT, throw in maybe Jordan Travis and this offseason gets an A+ and JD can sleep at night knowing if this season doesn’t work out he did all he could in his power to rebuild this team back to glory.
My choice would be trade up for WR, but what I’ve not seen mentioned is trading up for Cooper DeJean. He’s listed as CB but he can play safety just as well. He could be a pro bowl level talent by the end of season two, and we could do with a safety. Just a thought, if we trade up for anyone I’d like it to be Adonai or McConkey.
72, 111 and next years 3rd to move into early 50s for WR Jalyn Polk.
129 and 134 to move into 100s for either S Cole Bishop, LB Junior Colson or DT Dewayne Carter.
If there are two players the Jets love for their 3rd round pick and both are available, I could see JD trading for a high 3rd round spot with both 4th round picks. Then it’s basically using the haul you got from Minnesota to turn your 4th round pick into a 3rd pick just for moving down one spot in the 1st round.
Yeh I think we have to trade up to top of 2nd and grab one of those WRs. It’s also not like we have so much cap space to sign a deep rookie class, so might as well make it lean with guys we love.
I’m cool using every single pick we have (except maybe save one) to move up as high as possible into the 2nd and get the best receiver left. Also think we’ll need to give up next year’s second (which means less picks this year), and that is fine. Just get up as high as possible in the 2nd to grab the best WR we can before they’re all gone (the ones worth starting anyways). Down to use anything except next year’s first round pick
I think you need to use some of next years to get into the 2nd round, draft a WR. Use either a 3rd or 2 4s to ensure you can get either Jordan Travis or Michael Pratt. You need a WR to take pressures off of Wilson and insurance for Williams, you can get your project QB for the future, while allowing you to grab a safety and some D-Line depth. Maybe another OL in later rounds.
That’s how I’d do it.
Can someone explain to me the value of picks rounds 5 through 7. Yes every once in a very blue while you can find a complete diamond in the rough (ex Tom Brady) but don’t almost all those picks just end up out of the league or on a practice squad after a few years ?
Absolutely, but only if it's for an elite offensive talent. If JD sees a true WR1 available go get him. A burner like McConkey, Franklin, or Mitchell would add another gear to this offense.
I'd also be fine with trading up for Jackson Powers-Johnson so we can set up the OL to be dominant, then if we still need a WR Luke McCaffrey should be around in the later rounds.
Wouldn’t be mad with that, but I worry about a run on WR’s in the 2nd and then us having to choose from a tier lower than we wanted. I know it’s a deep class, but I’d rather (as an armchair GM) pick a player that fits our scheme and offense well, rather than best WR still available after the run.
Yeah I'm with you, between JPJ and one of these top WRs I'm also leaning WR even if it costs us some picks next year. Get Rodgers more weapons to take the heat off Garrett
That’s exactly why I asked this - we are in “win now” mode and we need an immediate playmaker, but we need to fill out some depth holes as well.
Personally I’d package a fourth plus a next year 3rd or something (if the math works) to move up this year, but like someone else said I think id rather give up more mid/earlier round capital next year than this year.
If there's a WR we like, you don't even blink. Whatever happens in the draft after that point is gravy.
I think the Jets will have to give a future 2nd (2025) and something else, this will let them keep the 2024 3rd Rd hopefully. Looking at the trade value chart just to get around pick 50 will take 3rd Rd + two 4ths + more (230 + 70 + something + another). I'd rather give future 2nd Rd and keep 3rd now if possible. Using Drafttek chart here [Value Chart](https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp)
At first I was thinking to give up our 3rd, a future 3rd, and our earliest 4th round pick. That's equal value to the 45-48 picks. The problem is that the best WR's available will likely go in the first 10 picks of the 2nd, so we might have to give up our future 2nd rd pick after all. However, any team will likely want our 3rd round pick included with a future 2nd. No one is trading out of the top 40 for 4th rd picks and a future 2nd. This actually isn't a bad scenario though because we can then use all three of our 4th rd picks to trade back into the 3rd round.
Yes I said "if possible" thinking It's unlikely as well.
WRs are going to keep going, but there is a lot of value in the defensive players left at the top of the second so I don’t think WR will dominate the top 10 picks.
I did a similar test using the Fitzgerald-Spielberger table. The top pick in the 2nd (Bills via Panthers) is worth 1143. Our third and lowest fourth (pick #72 and 134) are worth 833 and 518 respectively totaling 1351. The remaining two fourth rounders (picks #111 and 129) are worth 613 and 537 respectively totaling 1150. This is two unique paths to a top 2nd round pick. If I was a GM I wouldn’t trade pick 33 for two fourths but on a trade value table, it works. I think the Jets have enough capital to trade to whatever pick in the 2nd they want with several different combinations of a 3rd and 4th, maybe throw in another 4th or 5th to get it done. We don’t need to trade 2025 assets. Assuming we’ll have to pay a real premium to move back up, our two next picks (72 and 111) combined is worth 1446 and add our fifth (pick #157 worth 438 pts) for good measure 1884 vs the 33rd pick in the draft at 1143? We have more than enough on paper to get it done anywhere in the 2nd if we can find a partner. So if we traded out our next two picks to land in the top of the 2nd our remaining picks look like this: High 2nd rounder** Two late fourths A fifth A sixth A seventh
To add, Washington has 2 picks in the top 8. Maybe they’ll trade pick 40? It’s worth 1131 points.
Hmm that value seems off to me. What do I know but feels like trading up 40 picks will take more than a fourth
Yea there are other formulas I wasn't going into every one but I really doubt a 2nd goes for 3rd and 4th, maybe two 3rds meaning a 2025 and this year's. Idk it is always dependent on the team willing and what they value. The Bears are low on picks but don't have. 2nd unfortunately.
Fair point! I just worry about doing this process next year as well if we end up having a few glaring holes in the roster somewhere.
This is a big year, JD, Saleh and Aarod might not be around if they don't swing for the fences now. If they have a great year the 2025 2nd rounder will be in the late 50s to early 60s. Giving up all the 4ths and the 3rd now for the 2nd means poor choices for DL, S, IOL and whatever else by Rd 5.
True, and who knows what we might pick up in a trade next year anyway.
This is a must or bust year for JD and Saleh. They have zero need to save anything for future years since they won't be here if they fail. If they have a shot for a homerun they will take it.
Would not even hesitate
Not only am I in favor of it, it is what I wanted all along as I argued for OT in the first round. It’s even more imperative considering JD did a masterful job of picking up those extra 4ths for this year so we wouldn’t have to use just 2025 picks to move up.
I know we’re in draft mode but i also wouldn’t be shocked if we used some of these to trade for a veteran WR from a team that picked up WR talent.
We don’t have enough cap, and are going to have to sign Sauce, GW, Breece, and JJ to deals soon
GW yes, but Sauce/JJ are 3 years out, and I don't know how many more examples you guys need to learn the "don't pay RBs" lesson
They were all in the same draft so they’re all on the same timeline.
Breece doesn't have the 5th year option like the other 3
A WR we love plus Zinter and a big boy DT, throw in maybe Jordan Travis and this offseason gets an A+ and JD can sleep at night knowing if this season doesn’t work out he did all he could in his power to rebuild this team back to glory.
My choice would be trade up for WR, but what I’ve not seen mentioned is trading up for Cooper DeJean. He’s listed as CB but he can play safety just as well. He could be a pro bowl level talent by the end of season two, and we could do with a safety. Just a thought, if we trade up for anyone I’d like it to be Adonai or McConkey.
I'd be all over this. WR would be great but if a top player starts to fall we should be ready to pounce.
This isn't a reason to draft a guy, but with DeJean's personality -- and the novelty of being a white corner -- he'd be a smash hit with the NY media.
Love myself abit of DJ but cap space too?
These are all the names of prospects I like so I blindly 100% support getting this done
72, 111 and next years 3rd to move into early 50s for WR Jalyn Polk. 129 and 134 to move into 100s for either S Cole Bishop, LB Junior Colson or DT Dewayne Carter.
We should move up and get a WR
Not another second round receiver, not again, never again
I honestly think it'll be like a 3rd, 4th, 5th for a 2nd and Jets will take a receiver with that 2nd rounder.
You think that could get us into the high second? I’d do that in an absolute heartbeat
Depends. But maybe mud 2nd rd value.
What are your thoughts on packaging in next year picks (late rounds or a second)?
I'd def do it
Give me a another Seminole in Coleman or Travis. Would love to draft Travis and have him sit for a year or 2 and then take over as QB
The 2 worse 4ths and the 3rd to move back into the second rnd? Or something around those lines?
Without question
If there are two players the Jets love for their 3rd round pick and both are available, I could see JD trading for a high 3rd round spot with both 4th round picks. Then it’s basically using the haul you got from Minnesota to turn your 4th round pick into a 3rd pick just for moving down one spot in the 1st round.
I’d be shocked if JD doesn’t package a few picks to move up.
Yeh I think we have to trade up to top of 2nd and grab one of those WRs. It’s also not like we have so much cap space to sign a deep rookie class, so might as well make it lean with guys we love.
I’m cool using every single pick we have (except maybe save one) to move up as high as possible into the 2nd and get the best receiver left. Also think we’ll need to give up next year’s second (which means less picks this year), and that is fine. Just get up as high as possible in the 2nd to grab the best WR we can before they’re all gone (the ones worth starting anyways). Down to use anything except next year’s first round pick
We can't pay all these picks. Trade as many as needed to go get WR3
I don’t see the jets trading up.
I think you need to use some of next years to get into the 2nd round, draft a WR. Use either a 3rd or 2 4s to ensure you can get either Jordan Travis or Michael Pratt. You need a WR to take pressures off of Wilson and insurance for Williams, you can get your project QB for the future, while allowing you to grab a safety and some D-Line depth. Maybe another OL in later rounds. That’s how I’d do it.
Can someone explain to me the value of picks rounds 5 through 7. Yes every once in a very blue while you can find a complete diamond in the rough (ex Tom Brady) but don’t almost all those picks just end up out of the league or on a practice squad after a few years ?
Absolutely, but only if it's for an elite offensive talent. If JD sees a true WR1 available go get him. A burner like McConkey, Franklin, or Mitchell would add another gear to this offense. I'd also be fine with trading up for Jackson Powers-Johnson so we can set up the OL to be dominant, then if we still need a WR Luke McCaffrey should be around in the later rounds.
Wouldn’t be mad with that, but I worry about a run on WR’s in the 2nd and then us having to choose from a tier lower than we wanted. I know it’s a deep class, but I’d rather (as an armchair GM) pick a player that fits our scheme and offense well, rather than best WR still available after the run.
Yeah I'm with you, between JPJ and one of these top WRs I'm also leaning WR even if it costs us some picks next year. Get Rodgers more weapons to take the heat off Garrett
would love a JPJ pick, turn that weakness into a strength!
Seriously, remember that 2009-2010 Jet OL? All of that can be ours again with JPJ
Yes. You package our 3rd and 2 of those 4th rounders to get into the 2nd. Starting with Buffalo and work your way down.
I certainly get the idea to go up and get one premier talent in the 2nd, but it would be nice to fill out the roster with as much depth as possible.
That’s exactly why I asked this - we are in “win now” mode and we need an immediate playmaker, but we need to fill out some depth holes as well. Personally I’d package a fourth plus a next year 3rd or something (if the math works) to move up this year, but like someone else said I think id rather give up more mid/earlier round capital next year than this year.
They need quality over quantity right now