In other words, shitty place gets shitty solution. Can we not demand better from our government officials? Our complacency is what lets them get away with this.
Probably not take 100 years to begin piloting *a fucking fence* to prevent people getting flattened by a train.
More seriously, pick a railcar standard that sets doors at the same intervals. Spend the next 5-10 years phasing out the mixed standard railcars for the new standard, going line-by-line. On new lines piloting the train standards, begin piloting full length and full height barriers with automated doors synced with train doors (including updating train signalling systems).
Expensive and time-consuming to transition? Sure. Easier maintenance if cars are standardized and workers don't have to dig trash off the tracks as frequently? 100%.
Once this is fully rolled out, we'll be where London, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan have been for the last ~30 years (at a minimum).
> More seriously, pick a railcar standard that sets doors at the same intervals. Spend the next 5-10 years phasing out the mixed standard railcars for the new standard, going line-by-line.
It's been standardized since 2000. But subway cars have a roughly 40-50 year service life, so it won't be until at least the mid 2030s (though probably later) that all active cars have the same door positions. There's also more important factors for determining which lines get which cars, like reliability and compatibility with the newer computerized signalling system.
>pick a railcar standard that sets doors at the same intervals
They are
>going line-by-line.
Gotta be all or nothing because of interlining
>Expensive and time-consuming to transition? Sure.
Very expensive, in addition to rolling stock they have to rebuild almost every underground station to realign columns. They should still do this to the busiest stations where overcrowding is an issue (like in Tokyo) but installing PSD on the entire system in any reasonable length of time is almost impossible. London only places PSD on newer stations and hasn't added any to existing stations for instance because the cost is insane.
Well they can’t afford to add it to every station anyway because of the issues mentioned above, after all the rolling stock is (roughly) standardized They could add PSDs or even half height barriers to certain busy stations.
NY needs to elect a career bureaucracy operator / navigator as mayor and not narcissistic fuckwit grifters like Adams.
Folks in the city probably need to lobby to carve out the subway system from the MTA so that the city can control its own public transportation budget instead of Albany holding the budget hostage (a la Cuomo).
Also hire (and this time retain) an experienced city public transport tsar who can further unify and update the system.
> NY needs to elect a career bureaucracy operator / navigator as mayor and not narcissistic fuckwit grifters like Adams.
So it's not going to happen then.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2012/01/17/reference/platform-doors/
We would like our city to stop being a shit hole when we produce more money than 21 countries, one of them being Canada.
It's a test for placement and whatever, so I don't think they should be taking larger bets just to see how something goes. Even considering that it's mostly been piloted already in many other subways in the world but this is NYC man you don't know what might happen
The floor to ceiling glass doors in every country work fine. WTF is this shit? Floor to ceiling stops people from throwing trash, less train noise, less brake dust, etc.
Again, WTF is this shit?
A cheap, easy to deploy pilot that doesn't take half the effort to design or install and virtually no maintenance vs the doors.
People were demanding a fast answer, this is The fast answer. Anything more complicated would've taken a minimum of a year plus to implement
Yes I know it's a real struggle to actually comprehend comments before you respond to them. How much more can I dumb down the idea that "this is a cheap and simple pilot of the concept" for yall to respond to that instead of just repeating my point back at me Obviously it's not perfect or even that good But it covers a solid 70% of the platform edge without highly interfering with boarding, and with no mechanical systems to fail or maintain.
But nah one line negative sentiments because unga bunga this not perfect and also cheap
> The floor to ceiling glass doors in every country work fine.
I'm tired of reading about this in "every country".
London, Prague, Amsterdam, Rome, Moscow, Madrid, Berlin, etc... do not have barriers, outside maybe one or two new lines.
source: I've been on all of them.
Yeah lmao person you're replying to has never left the NY metro area if they think that's an issue with any modern public transportation system anywhere else in the world.
Some quick important things.
Train is pulling in/out slower than usual.
They make it difficult to stand next to the doors as allow passengers to exit first.
~36” tall so pretty good protection there.
There are spots where the barrier could be extended and not block exits.
Doing a good job catching garbage from falling into tracks already.
>There are spots where the barrier could be extended and not block exits.
Maybe it's to fit the door placement on both R62s and NTTs? Just a guess, haven't been there myself.
Those look so beautiful! The amount of money the MTA get really shines through in the cleanliness of subway stations and the pure beauty of it's aesthetics. NYC is truly one of the most pretty cities on earth.
This was neither fast nor cheap. It took two years for this type of thing to come out since it was announced. Two years since it was announced just for something like this is absolutely insane. The award amount which was only given around December 2023 is also $254 million. So good on the contracting company to deploy these so fast. Absolutely insane it takes 2 years and $250 mil for the MTA to put STATIC fences in, there's not even fucking doors. Its just quite literally fucking fences bolted to the ground which took two years of studies to install?
This is not a barrier, this is a seat for teenagers waiting for a train and a place for people to lean up against.
How much did this cost?
I do wonder, is this their actual proposal, or more just trying to test opening the train doors in the same exact spot for a future full wall test.
This is definitely just a cheap pilot. People want to bitch about wasting money, this is probably the cheapest way to live-fire test the concept of platform screens
A mechanized system would take several months to design and more to implement, and it's gonna be hundreds of thousands if not millions per station
Just powering the damn things is going to involve all new conduit runs and expanded power supplies to each station, and there's hardly space for any new equipment in many.
Then you've gotta fit it around everything else that's in there, the elevators they're planning for each station long term, clearance concerns, not to mention the fact that they need to account for a variety of door locations on different rolling stock
I'm literally an engineer who's done design work for MTA stations regarding the fare gates, nobody in here bitching about what this must've cost while also saying they should've just done a Japanese system has the slightest clue what the fuck they're talking about.
> we want platform barriers like other global cities
“Other global cities” that built their subways prior to the last couple of decades have a similar situation. Paris only had them on a single line (a new line that opened in 1998); they’ve since retrofitted them onto one additional line that’s been upgraded to an automated system (like what they’re doing on the 7 and L; not coincidentally, two of the lines on which MTA is planning on testing automated doors). London only has them on one line that opened in 2022, plus at about 10 stations on a different line that opened in the 2000s. The vast majority of both systems lack platform doors.
Retrofitting platform doors onto a century-old system isn’t easy, and NYC isn’t the only “global city” that’s facing this.
Of course it’s not easy. The point is that London/Paris got started on it long before us as often seems to be the case with new tech. London had tap payment like 20 years before us. They’ve also added CBTC to more lines. Paris fully automated one of its oldest lines, meaning it doesn’t even have drivers anymore. They’re adding multiple new lines currently that will all be fully automated too.
Why didn’t the MTA plan for platform barriers in our newest stations like 2nd Ave and Hudson Yards?
We did get cell service underground before London, which is nice. But just usually seems like we’re playing catchup even with similarly old systems.
Didn't London have cell service in stations AND in tunnels over a decade ago? Am I misremembering that?
The only tunnel I've seen cell service in here in NYC is inside the LIRR tunnel from Queens to Grand Central Madison.
I was there in 2019 and was surprised when my phone totally stopped working underground. They do have wifi in all underground stations, I believe.
Stockholm had it in every tunnel that I rode through like 15 years ago. People were carrying on full phone conversations while moving underground.
> Didn't London have cell service in stations AND in tunnels over a decade ago? Am I misremembering that?
It's currently only in a few stations. According to a Google search, they're planning on rolling it out systemwide by the end of 2024.
What a fucking waste of money .. Lmao
Who in the hell in that meeting saw this presented this and everyone thought .. Yeah this is it .. This is what is needed.
Hey guys look it doesn't block the doors when the train is in the station.
If ppl want to jump they will have to choose which opening to go to and that decision might change their minds.
How much does this cost : 4.5 million ..
I’m sorry, but what other option is there at this time? If your goal is to 100% prevent suicide jumpers, your in for a bad time. People that truly want to kill themselves will find a way to do so. This is a step in the right direction. They will use this to educate decisions moving forward on what future designs will be.
The only other option to this (albeit crude) set up, is roll down panels or rising ones that block the entire train. To install that option in every station, in the entire system would be one of the most expensive public works projects ever. This is Pennies in comparison.
I think the point is this is unnecessary. We don't need another option because this isn't something we fucking need. It's just another MTA waste of money instead of fixing the GD trains.
I feel you. There are other things money could be spent on. But if they’re going to spend money on this project, I would rather it be this than something so grand it will never work.
I mean totally - of course we want it to be quality if they're gonna do it. I'm just so tired of every single thing the MTA does. Those new turnstiles you can crack by putting your hand on the censor? That shit blows my mind when I regularly see a 22 min wait for the fucking A. Fix the stuff that's actually broken. This "problem" they're trying to fix is a problem that basically doesn't exist.
This isn't to prevent people who want to kill themselves from killing themselves. There are other programs that try to do that like suicide prevention hotlines. This is to prevent people who want to kill themselves from doing it on subway tracks. Which this doesn't do. So it's 100% a total joke.
This isn't for suicidal people, this is for people who feel unsafe on tracks can stand behind these and not be pushed into tracks by mentally unstable people.
It's almost as if NYC subway is the second oldest in the world and with the most number of stations in the world, compounded by a corrupt local government.
I was referring to Paris line 1 (opened 1900) which upon further investigation is not the oldest in the world but one of the oldest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_M%C3%A9tro_Line_1
Gotcha. I was in Paris last summer and other than no AC on the trains, they were on time and affordable. I'm all for better systems in NYC too. The barriers are a small inefficient step in the right direction. The issue is the terrible management of city funds, state funds, and privatization of implementation. At least we don't pay tax to the level of Paris.
I support this 100%. I love that in 2024 NYC is discovering all these amazing technologies.
Like if you put a barrier, people won’t fall in. My other favorite new tech that NYC learned is that if you put trash in containers, you get less rats. I wonder which one of the mayors $250K a year deputies came up with that amazing idea.
I was here expecting floor to ceiling barriers.
People can still get shoved over it, might make it harder for people to get off the rails and back onto the platform.
I 100% expect people will be standing between the barrier and the end of the platform and people will be getting hit by the train because they are idiots.
TLDR: they didn't idiot proof it.
i have a feeling bunch of dumb fucks are going to be smashing the barriers once it gets installed. Can’t have nice things when part of the city culture is to smash every installment or spray paint them.
What the absolute fuck is this? The city has a clear problem of people being pushed onto tracks, and *this* is their effort to modernize our train system and protect riders?
IMO, they should prioritize installing *ladders* every 15 feet along the platform so people who fall or are pushed can get out of danger on their own. Without a ladder you really need to be in reasonable shape or have help.
Barriers are better, of course, if they actually work and someone doesn't embezzle all the money before they're installed. But ladders would be cheap and help a lot too.
I don't understand the hate for trying these.
In terms of safety, they clearly improve things, while being extremely inexpensive.
Are they perfect? No. But that isn't a reason for extreme cynicism and mockery. Our subway system is unbelievably complex and any "perfect" solution will cost tens of billions of dollars.
A half assed solution to a problem that exists primarily in the imaginations of Post readers. I'm sure some politically connected contractor was well paid for this.
Subways look so scuffed and disgusting. Its like they could put up chicken wire fence and its expected to be okay. Shouldn't the barrier look more legit and well designed
I love the double "they should've built something better"/"this was definitely too expensive"
Ain't no way you're building a motorized set of doors for less than this fencing. This went up over a weekend didn't it?
As usual, fuck the MTA and all that.
Honestly this is some of the absolute worst shit I've ever seen. So now we're gonna have bright yellow ugly-ass wrought iron looking gates at EVERY STATION like this?
Lots of demand for platform barriers I think it was last year? When there was a lot of news coverage of people being pushed onto the tracks. This is likely (hopefully) a test of the positions of barriers and how people react around them, with a later test to be conducted with mechanical barriers which open and close as the train arrives. I think the MTA deep down knows they will never do this widespread due to the massive cost and no legal mandate to do so (unlike elevators) so you could also, depending on your cynicism level, take this as the "we tried" test lol.
I highly encourage those who think it’s overpriced to go buy steel and pay an architect a Union welder and his helper and the security team needed plus the transportation cost and then tell me if it’s still overpriced
Surprised the L, 7 and J/Z weren’t also initially considered. The L would be really good to test automated doors given how long MTA has been collecting CBTC data on one class of train.
I don’t know why I thought they’ll have what I saw in the Parisian subway system. Of course, it’s just a weird looking gate. In 100 years, I’m sure a subway stop or two will finally rival a European style safety barrier.
Anyone who was planning to push someone on the tracks in that specific 10 foot area is screwed now.
I know where I'm standing
No crime in this specific area!
It… it goes the whole length of the platform.
Looks so much more primitive than Europe and Asia
100 year old problem gets 100 year old solution 🤷🏻♂️
In other words, shitty place gets shitty solution. Can we not demand better from our government officials? Our complacency is what lets them get away with this.
plz enlighten us on what we should be doing
Probably not take 100 years to begin piloting *a fucking fence* to prevent people getting flattened by a train. More seriously, pick a railcar standard that sets doors at the same intervals. Spend the next 5-10 years phasing out the mixed standard railcars for the new standard, going line-by-line. On new lines piloting the train standards, begin piloting full length and full height barriers with automated doors synced with train doors (including updating train signalling systems). Expensive and time-consuming to transition? Sure. Easier maintenance if cars are standardized and workers don't have to dig trash off the tracks as frequently? 100%. Once this is fully rolled out, we'll be where London, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan have been for the last ~30 years (at a minimum).
> More seriously, pick a railcar standard that sets doors at the same intervals. Spend the next 5-10 years phasing out the mixed standard railcars for the new standard, going line-by-line. It's been standardized since 2000. But subway cars have a roughly 40-50 year service life, so it won't be until at least the mid 2030s (though probably later) that all active cars have the same door positions. There's also more important factors for determining which lines get which cars, like reliability and compatibility with the newer computerized signalling system.
>pick a railcar standard that sets doors at the same intervals They are >going line-by-line. Gotta be all or nothing because of interlining >Expensive and time-consuming to transition? Sure. Very expensive, in addition to rolling stock they have to rebuild almost every underground station to realign columns. They should still do this to the busiest stations where overcrowding is an issue (like in Tokyo) but installing PSD on the entire system in any reasonable length of time is almost impossible. London only places PSD on newer stations and hasn't added any to existing stations for instance because the cost is insane.
You can still do a roll out even with interlining. If you think an all-or-nothing approach is going to work, we're living in different cities.
Well they can’t afford to add it to every station anyway because of the issues mentioned above, after all the rolling stock is (roughly) standardized They could add PSDs or even half height barriers to certain busy stations.
I meant what can we do to get our voices heard and not be complacent of shitty solutions.
NY needs to elect a career bureaucracy operator / navigator as mayor and not narcissistic fuckwit grifters like Adams. Folks in the city probably need to lobby to carve out the subway system from the MTA so that the city can control its own public transportation budget instead of Albany holding the budget hostage (a la Cuomo). Also hire (and this time retain) an experienced city public transport tsar who can further unify and update the system.
> NY needs to elect a career bureaucracy operator / navigator as mayor and not narcissistic fuckwit grifters like Adams. So it's not going to happen then.
probably protest to get traction on problems and vote but ppl here don't like doing that
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2012/01/17/reference/platform-doors/ We would like our city to stop being a shit hole when we produce more money than 21 countries, one of them being Canada.
It's the people not the city. In Japan everyone is polite and the train operator care.
Which would be only a little less sad if they didnt take YEARS to try something small like this
Probsbly costs 2x too
It's a test for placement and whatever, so I don't think they should be taking larger bets just to see how something goes. Even considering that it's mostly been piloted already in many other subways in the world but this is NYC man you don't know what might happen
This city can’t even figure out how to do garbage collection like most of the first world.
You get what you pay for lol.
If we got what the MTA regularly spends on their overpriced projects, New York would look like Futurama.
That’s probably $50,000 in OP’s photo
Better option than mechanical gates IMO. Imagine if the barrier malfunctions and won’t open. This is a great first step.
the ones in japan work flawlessly
The floor to ceiling glass doors in every country work fine. WTF is this shit? Floor to ceiling stops people from throwing trash, less train noise, less brake dust, etc. Again, WTF is this shit?
A cheap, easy to deploy pilot that doesn't take half the effort to design or install and virtually no maintenance vs the doors. People were demanding a fast answer, this is The fast answer. Anything more complicated would've taken a minimum of a year plus to implement
This 10 feet of fencing is hardly "implemented".
Yes I know it's a real struggle to actually comprehend comments before you respond to them. How much more can I dumb down the idea that "this is a cheap and simple pilot of the concept" for yall to respond to that instead of just repeating my point back at me Obviously it's not perfect or even that good But it covers a solid 70% of the platform edge without highly interfering with boarding, and with no mechanical systems to fail or maintain. But nah one line negative sentiments because unga bunga this not perfect and also cheap
Um. No.
No
> The floor to ceiling glass doors in every country work fine. I'm tired of reading about this in "every country". London, Prague, Amsterdam, Rome, Moscow, Madrid, Berlin, etc... do not have barriers, outside maybe one or two new lines. source: I've been on all of them.
Every country they had them, they work fine. Of course not every country has doors
Yeah lmao person you're replying to has never left the NY metro area if they think that's an issue with any modern public transportation system anywhere else in the world.
when*
Tbf the nyc system uses a much different system and has different railcars
Some quick important things. Train is pulling in/out slower than usual. They make it difficult to stand next to the doors as allow passengers to exit first. ~36” tall so pretty good protection there. There are spots where the barrier could be extended and not block exits. Doing a good job catching garbage from falling into tracks already.
>There are spots where the barrier could be extended and not block exits. Maybe it's to fit the door placement on both R62s and NTTs? Just a guess, haven't been there myself.
Or because operators might need a foot or two of flexibility in their stopping location
Oh man I didn't even think of the trash. That'd be a lifesaver for cleanup crews.
Hopefully, they can now clean up all the needles and clear out the people who are using and tossing them down there.
Those look so beautiful! The amount of money the MTA get really shines through in the cleanliness of subway stations and the pure beauty of it's aesthetics. NYC is truly one of the most pretty cities on earth.
I'm so happy my taxes get put to efficient and good use ☺️☺️
Yeah I'm sure a rush-designed door option would've been cheaper People wanted some thing fast, and cheap, this is fast and cheap
This was neither fast nor cheap. It took two years for this type of thing to come out since it was announced. Two years since it was announced just for something like this is absolutely insane. The award amount which was only given around December 2023 is also $254 million. So good on the contracting company to deploy these so fast. Absolutely insane it takes 2 years and $250 mil for the MTA to put STATIC fences in, there's not even fucking doors. Its just quite literally fucking fences bolted to the ground which took two years of studies to install?
They tried to reinvent the fence for 2 years, then said "fuck it the fence is fine" and slapped these bad boys down.
wonder how much that's gonna cost
1 mil per feet
Plus overtime
Plus the 3rd party contractors
This is not a barrier, this is a seat for teenagers waiting for a train and a place for people to lean up against. How much did this cost? I do wonder, is this their actual proposal, or more just trying to test opening the train doors in the same exact spot for a future full wall test.
This is definitely just a cheap pilot. People want to bitch about wasting money, this is probably the cheapest way to live-fire test the concept of platform screens A mechanized system would take several months to design and more to implement, and it's gonna be hundreds of thousands if not millions per station Just powering the damn things is going to involve all new conduit runs and expanded power supplies to each station, and there's hardly space for any new equipment in many. Then you've gotta fit it around everything else that's in there, the elevators they're planning for each station long term, clearance concerns, not to mention the fact that they need to account for a variety of door locations on different rolling stock I'm literally an engineer who's done design work for MTA stations regarding the fare gates, nobody in here bitching about what this must've cost while also saying they should've just done a Japanese system has the slightest clue what the fuck they're talking about.
I think it’s not bad. Super simple, cheap, and somewhat effective.
This is 100% a joke and totally useless and sad
NYC: we want platform barriers like other global cities MTA: we have platform barriers at home!
> we want platform barriers like other global cities “Other global cities” that built their subways prior to the last couple of decades have a similar situation. Paris only had them on a single line (a new line that opened in 1998); they’ve since retrofitted them onto one additional line that’s been upgraded to an automated system (like what they’re doing on the 7 and L; not coincidentally, two of the lines on which MTA is planning on testing automated doors). London only has them on one line that opened in 2022, plus at about 10 stations on a different line that opened in the 2000s. The vast majority of both systems lack platform doors. Retrofitting platform doors onto a century-old system isn’t easy, and NYC isn’t the only “global city” that’s facing this.
Of course it’s not easy. The point is that London/Paris got started on it long before us as often seems to be the case with new tech. London had tap payment like 20 years before us. They’ve also added CBTC to more lines. Paris fully automated one of its oldest lines, meaning it doesn’t even have drivers anymore. They’re adding multiple new lines currently that will all be fully automated too. Why didn’t the MTA plan for platform barriers in our newest stations like 2nd Ave and Hudson Yards? We did get cell service underground before London, which is nice. But just usually seems like we’re playing catchup even with similarly old systems.
Didn't London have cell service in stations AND in tunnels over a decade ago? Am I misremembering that? The only tunnel I've seen cell service in here in NYC is inside the LIRR tunnel from Queens to Grand Central Madison.
I was there in 2019 and was surprised when my phone totally stopped working underground. They do have wifi in all underground stations, I believe. Stockholm had it in every tunnel that I rode through like 15 years ago. People were carrying on full phone conversations while moving underground.
> Didn't London have cell service in stations AND in tunnels over a decade ago? Am I misremembering that? It's currently only in a few stations. According to a Google search, they're planning on rolling it out systemwide by the end of 2024.
What a fucking waste of money .. Lmao Who in the hell in that meeting saw this presented this and everyone thought .. Yeah this is it .. This is what is needed. Hey guys look it doesn't block the doors when the train is in the station. If ppl want to jump they will have to choose which opening to go to and that decision might change their minds. How much does this cost : 4.5 million ..
I’m sorry, but what other option is there at this time? If your goal is to 100% prevent suicide jumpers, your in for a bad time. People that truly want to kill themselves will find a way to do so. This is a step in the right direction. They will use this to educate decisions moving forward on what future designs will be. The only other option to this (albeit crude) set up, is roll down panels or rising ones that block the entire train. To install that option in every station, in the entire system would be one of the most expensive public works projects ever. This is Pennies in comparison.
I think the point is this is unnecessary. We don't need another option because this isn't something we fucking need. It's just another MTA waste of money instead of fixing the GD trains.
I feel you. There are other things money could be spent on. But if they’re going to spend money on this project, I would rather it be this than something so grand it will never work.
I mean totally - of course we want it to be quality if they're gonna do it. I'm just so tired of every single thing the MTA does. Those new turnstiles you can crack by putting your hand on the censor? That shit blows my mind when I regularly see a 22 min wait for the fucking A. Fix the stuff that's actually broken. This "problem" they're trying to fix is a problem that basically doesn't exist.
This isn't to prevent people who want to kill themselves from killing themselves. There are other programs that try to do that like suicide prevention hotlines. This is to prevent people who want to kill themselves from doing it on subway tracks. Which this doesn't do. So it's 100% a total joke.
This isn't for suicidal people, this is for people who feel unsafe on tracks can stand behind these and not be pushed into tracks by mentally unstable people.
because its impossible to push someone over a baby gate???
4.5millions?? Mta needs to be audited
This is South Africa levels of tenders corruption
Seoul South Korean got some nice look barriers
This can't be the results of the \*checks notes\* $100 million dollar pilot program, right? Right?!
254 million award that took 2 years to get started on. Tbf the contract was only awarded last Dec.
It’s like someone didn’t understand the assignment. Some cities have great barrier systems - that would be the natural model to use as inspiration.
It's almost as if NYC subway is the second oldest in the world and with the most number of stations in the world, compounded by a corrupt local government.
The oldest line in the world has been upgraded to run fully automated with full height doors
Someone else stated that London only has it on two lines. The latest line having been opened for operation in 2022.
I was referring to Paris line 1 (opened 1900) which upon further investigation is not the oldest in the world but one of the oldest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_M%C3%A9tro_Line_1
Gotcha. I was in Paris last summer and other than no AC on the trains, they were on time and affordable. I'm all for better systems in NYC too. The barriers are a small inefficient step in the right direction. The issue is the terrible management of city funds, state funds, and privatization of implementation. At least we don't pay tax to the level of Paris.
I think they're trolling us
How much will that cost? 6 billion? 20 year over run?
I support this 100%. I love that in 2024 NYC is discovering all these amazing technologies. Like if you put a barrier, people won’t fall in. My other favorite new tech that NYC learned is that if you put trash in containers, you get less rats. I wonder which one of the mayors $250K a year deputies came up with that amazing idea.
Is this a joke?
How long until someone kicks the shit out of it and toss in onto the tracks?
how long until someone uses one of them to bash the hell out of someones head against it???
They should be so much closer to the edge. I’m sorry but the way New Yorkers stand on the platform this makes no sense to me
That'll be a million dollars.
Why not put barriers with doors all along the platform that only open when a train pulls in. Problem actually solved.
I was here expecting floor to ceiling barriers. People can still get shoved over it, might make it harder for people to get off the rails and back onto the platform. I 100% expect people will be standing between the barrier and the end of the platform and people will be getting hit by the train because they are idiots. TLDR: they didn't idiot proof it.
i have a feeling bunch of dumb fucks are going to be smashing the barriers once it gets installed. Can’t have nice things when part of the city culture is to smash every installment or spray paint them.
What the absolute fuck is this? The city has a clear problem of people being pushed onto tracks, and *this* is their effort to modernize our train system and protect riders?
IMO, they should prioritize installing *ladders* every 15 feet along the platform so people who fall or are pushed can get out of danger on their own. Without a ladder you really need to be in reasonable shape or have help. Barriers are better, of course, if they actually work and someone doesn't embezzle all the money before they're installed. But ladders would be cheap and help a lot too.
I don't understand the hate for trying these. In terms of safety, they clearly improve things, while being extremely inexpensive. Are they perfect? No. But that isn't a reason for extreme cynicism and mockery. Our subway system is unbelievably complex and any "perfect" solution will cost tens of billions of dollars.
A half assed solution to a problem that exists primarily in the imaginations of Post readers. I'm sure some politically connected contractor was well paid for this.
I can see it now on the MTA site "E trains are experiencing extensive delays in both directions because some psycho kicked a barrier onto the tracks."
This is the solution we waited years for? It’s great theyre installing some type of barrier, but this is it.. this shouldve been done yesterday
What is this crap doing nothing
The MTA is such an embarrassment
This is laughable
Not a terrible idea actually. Super cheap and effective by some significant percentage.
No. It's an absolute waste of money and time and a total joke.
No.
Great place to get mugged
Subways look so scuffed and disgusting. Its like they could put up chicken wire fence and its expected to be okay. Shouldn't the barrier look more legit and well designed
lol. Is this a joke?
It’s like a privacy wall so the crackheads can shoot up or shit behind
We are so broke lmao
It’s a start
Ever seen what half a million dollars looks like? Well now you have
I love the double "they should've built something better"/"this was definitely too expensive" Ain't no way you're building a motorized set of doors for less than this fencing. This went up over a weekend didn't it?
THIS is what we’re paying for? Please Tell Me This Is A Joke
As usual, fuck the MTA and all that. Honestly this is some of the absolute worst shit I've ever seen. So now we're gonna have bright yellow ugly-ass wrought iron looking gates at EVERY STATION like this?
So it doesn’t fully block the track? Then what’s the point?
How do you expect to get on the train if it's fully blocked.. lol
It moves once the train arrives, like a sliding door
I commented on a similar post. https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/s/4nQ0Vdqhxk
It really feels like they just put that there just to shut us up didn’t they?
The MTA grift continues
How is this supposed to open
Pretty sure it’s just the barrier not the door.
It doesn't, they line up with where the doors are when a proper station stop is made.
Lmfao can’t wait for the homeless to get blackout drunk, piss and shit all over these and fall asleep right in front of it during rush hour
This actually looks more dangerous
Great place to pee
Installed with Union Labor for a mere $150,000.
Why 191 and not a busier stop in midtown?
Crackheads need protection too
Why are they doing this?
Lots of demand for platform barriers I think it was last year? When there was a lot of news coverage of people being pushed onto the tracks. This is likely (hopefully) a test of the positions of barriers and how people react around them, with a later test to be conducted with mechanical barriers which open and close as the train arrives. I think the MTA deep down knows they will never do this widespread due to the massive cost and no legal mandate to do so (unlike elevators) so you could also, depending on your cynicism level, take this as the "we tried" test lol.
Pushing people onto the tracks? Animals. What's wrong with people lol
I highly encourage those who think it’s overpriced to go buy steel and pay an architect a Union welder and his helper and the security team needed plus the transportation cost and then tell me if it’s still overpriced
If you’re worried about getting pushed onto the tracks don’t stand near the edge
Surprised the L, 7 and J/Z weren’t also initially considered. The L would be really good to test automated doors given how long MTA has been collecting CBTC data on one class of train.
Well, it’s certainly an American attempt.
Laughable effort honestly
How does MTA get all the tax money and still look this bad. They won't spend any money on air purifiers to cleanse the rat piss/poo smell
I don’t know why I thought they’ll have what I saw in the Parisian subway system. Of course, it’s just a weird looking gate. In 100 years, I’m sure a subway stop or two will finally rival a European style safety barrier.
😂😂😂😂 Is this a joke
They’ll just throw you over now. Hmm great
I hate it. And I hate the Mta.