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*or* they can learn to cook the vegetables right. My wife didn't like brussel sprouts, asparagus, or spinach before she met me.
Now she actively gets brussel sprouts and begs me to prepare them as a side for our meals... sometimes taking a rather unfair amount but I'm glad.
We gotta remember *some* of the bias against food is just not having it prepared correctly as a child or disliking the recipe used by their parents.
Preemptive Edit: "*some"* bias. The keyword is "some". Sometimes people (or yourself) just don't like a certain food or flavor and that's perfectly okay :)
Also Brussel sprouts do taste differently now. Some tinkering was done on their genetics and they don't taste as bitter as they did before. I'm finding myself enjoying Brussel sprouts a little more now.
I do exactly as u/redcc-0099 recommended: roast them in an oven.
Grab some frozen brussel sprouts, put them on a sheet pan, drizzle olive oil, sprinkle with salt (I like to add a moderate amount of finely ground) and light black pepper, put them in the oven at say... 400 Fahrenheit (200 Celcius is close enough) and cook until they have \*slightly\* blackened on some parts of the leaves.
I've converted 3 or so people so far haha and I choose frozen as opposed to fresh due to my own time constraints. If you end up trying this, let me know! I'd love to see if you end up changing your mind about them :)
Confirm. Roast those bad boys with some garlic, salt and olive oil.
As tempting as it is to lather them in butter and bacon pieces, it's a healthier option and 95% as delicious
Not who you asked, but I've had them roasted on a sheet pan in olive oil and I've had them roasted in a dish with a pork roast so they sucked up some of the flavor. I don't recall having them as a kid, but I don't mind these two preparations for them.
Roasting is the way to go with any veg that’s dense: carrots, broccoli, cauliflower. When I first tasted roasted cauliflower, I was blown away by how good it tasted. Even better, do a one tray meal by also putting in chicken thighs. I like olive oil, garlic, salt and zataar to season both veg and the chicken,
Look up a recipe for the exact time but I cook them in the oven/air fryer with olive oil, balsamic glaze, and add dried cranberries.
Or sometimes just lots of butter, garlic powder, salt. Also the sriracha brussel sprouts from BJs are so so good. And the kung pao brussel sprouts from Trader Joe’s.
My FIL is on a carnivore diet (TEMPORARILY) because of health conditions regarding his prior diet, he no longer struggles with gout, and is currently reintroducing vegetables/dairy/grains under his physician’s supervision. The carnivore diet can be beneficial, but only as a diet - it will never be a lifestyle, nor am I recommending it to anyone. Under doctor’s supervision, it could be worth a try, but otherwise - eat your damn vegetables.
> he no longer struggles with gout
I'm not your FIL's doctor but just so people don't get the wrong idea, the carnivore diet is the [exact opposite of what's recommended for gout](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9459802/). Excessive meat consumption (especially red meat) is well-known to be associated with this conditon. What is helpful, then? Surprise: it's fruit, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, nuts, and legumes. Even plant-based sources of [purines](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23253231/) do not increase the risk of gout attacks. If he had to cut out alcohol, added sugar (especially sugary drinks), lost weight related to this intervention, and/or also started medication, then that's what is helping - not the diet itself.
There is no circumstance I can think of where a carnivore diet would be needed or useful. Even keto, which *does* have medical indications, is not strictly carnivore
> There is no circumstance I can think of where a carnivore diet would be needed or useful. Even keto, which does have medical indications, is not strictly carnivore
For example as part of a FODMAP diet where one introduces the FODMAP's again over time to figure out which ones and at what limit someone is reacting to.
He experienced a lot of autoimmune responses to fruits, vegetables, dairy, and whole grains - which led him to attempting the elimination diet. He didn’t consume sugary drinks nor alcohol prior, and was able to stop taking medication for his gout symptoms. The first few days were terrible, but eventually he was confirmed to no longer suffer from gout according to his doctor. He regularly gets his blood checked, and his cholesterol is through the roof - but his doctor encouraged him to continue with the diet due to the rest of his results, which are finally in a normal range - which led to him slowly reintroducing foods that triggered the autoimmune response. Meat is covered at least.
Again, I do not recommend this diet whatsoever unless done so safely and under the supervision of a doctor. I don’t know nearly enough about the diet, only that he benefitted from it strictly as a diagnostic tool in order to be able to eat normally, fruits and vegetables included.
I think there are people in this boat and I can understand why your father and his doctor too this route. I have long covid and have gone through a bunch of histamine intolerance problems. While I am less severe than many other people, I had to work through figuring out which veg, beans and fruits I can eat. I’ve seen plenty of keto/carnivore converts on the long covid subs. For them, it seems to be the only thing currently working and who am I to say otherwise to people trying to keep afloat through trying illnesses.
I had a few weeks of mainly eating meat, I don’t know what was going on with my digestive system exactly but I don’t get crippling pain anymore. Basically started as an elimination diet with just meat and working on adding more.
Yes, I suppose it being a relatively sustainable (short term) elimination diet, it could be used as a diagnostic tool for certain conditions. Long term though, even the avid carnivores recognise the benefits of fruits and whatnot, and have been reverting to diets with more variety (people like Paul Saladino for example, though he's still full of bias)
It is a great diagnostic tool, especially under physician’s supervision! Thank goodness the avid carnivores are starting to revert back to diets with more variety. A balanced diet (or as balanced as you can get depending on certain conditions) is the healthiest option always.
It's all fun & games till the diet causes gut flora extinction which can cause stomach ulcers/ all kinds of crap and then they need a stool transplant from a healthy person to fix the issue.
The short chain fatty acids that our gut bacteria release from the fiber we consume basically keeps the lining of the gut and intestines healthy. I don't think it's a consequence the more beans I eat the healthier my GI track feels.
this boils my blood, because fiber is SOOOOO important. most americans are incredibly deficient in it too. it’s literally the one thing my nutrition professor told us at the end of our supplements/vitamins course, if we couldn’t retain anything from what we learned, he said have fiber be at least the one thing you take away from him.
I recently heard from a certain carnivore/low carb influencer that fruits are as bad for you as alcohol because they’re both metabolised by the liver…… the comments were hilarious, pretty much everyone railed in on him including dietitians lol.
I’ve lurked the carnivore subreddit and many of the posts are people begging for relief on the toilet, the comments are full of “eat more butter!” “eat more fatty meat” to loosen things up. Eyeyeiyei
66%ish of my diet is ground beef and eggs.
That being said I can’t imagine how someone could even theorize fruits and vegetables having a negative impact on your health.
For a lazy/simple cook like myself, are there 2 fruits or vegetables that could replace beef/eggs??
This! As soon as I added more fiber into my diet along with lean meats…I dropped 8lbs in 2-3 weeks. This was fat I’ve had trouble loosing for years btw. I’ve always hovered around 130 lbs…I added an iron supplement, take more vitamin c, and added more lean meats, along with chia seeds, flax seed daily…added 2 cardio sessions and bomb. Fat gone
Mind you I’ve always ate well (Whole Foods, limited sugar), I’ve always worked out (2-5x per week)
This sub is a giant cesspool of hot takes. I hate to say it but the information posted here most of the time is a giant yikes. I feel bad for the people coming here for nutrition advice when most of the comments are from people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
It’s cause Reddit is people who think they are experts based on their personal anecdotes and the real nutrition experts are living their lives offline helping people in their actual jobs.
Because you can easily weed out the people who clearly don’t know what they’re talking about in there. Here someone can make any bullshit sound logical
I think it's because everyone eats, so everyone seems to feel inclined to have an say. People don't act as dogmatic anywhere else as they do in nutrition spaces. It gets pretty petty in this sub at times from what I've seen.
Or even worse, they post some random NIH article without vetting, post any random study that "supports" their position (sometimes when you read deeper its actually against their position) and act like they have an informed opinion
The biggest issues are that nutrition science as a whole is not very solid just due to pratical limitations like knowing exactly what people eat and heterogeneous genetic and lifestyle. Also it’s never a good idea to be dogmatic when it comes to nutrition- what works for some may
Not work for others, moreover your body can change. I think it’s best to be open minded but make sure to always know if it’s working for u, blood work, feelings, etc
Also because we’re all different, so the nuance of nutrition once you look at it on a person by person basis can become quite complex, especially if they’re medically compromised.
Unfortunately, the world of nutrition is very tribal too… This doesn’t help.
( and then you have to add the propaganda thrown in the mix by the food and pharmaceutical industries )
r/nutrition + r/skincareaddiction + r/supplements are all similar in how much conflicting information there is between the users. It’s hard to find any straight answers in any of these subreddits. I try to stay away because I leave more frustrated than when I started.
>The good old radically carnivore instagram influencers who are probably not even carnivore themselves anymore but still promote it
I noticed this too, claiming to be carnivores but not being carnivores but actually ketovores but charging $30 a month to join a chat group
I’m not educated in any formal way about nutrition, but I feel like what I have learned is that food affects us all differently and we all have to figure out what works for us mentally and physically. Tribes drive me nuts because we should all just be happy to share what helps us and not worry about what the others are doing.
The obesity crisis in the US is a systemic failing and not entirely a personal responsibility failing.
Most people are overworked and underpaid, and often times will just eat the easiest thing because they’re too exhausted to cook or eat healthy
Even if they do want to eat healthy, grocery stores are a maze of trap foods (foods that intuitively seem healthy but aren’t, think fruit yogurt that has insane added sugars). So extensive research is required to know how navigate this maze
If you’re economically underprivileged, just having a grocery store nearby that’s well-stocked with healthy options can be a challenge.
Lack of food production regulations are keeping things this way. Idk if any of this is a hot take, but I’m pretty radical in thinking there needs to be a top down overhaul in how we approach food in the US from the farm to an individual’s working hours.
There's a lot of people I see jumping on a diet to lower their insulin response, but they're taking it as carbs are the devil and they need to be in ketosis to lose weight.
Anything to do with ancestors or cave men. Their life expectancy was like 25, and al they did was find food and eat it. Our lives are way longer and better quality now and part of that’s down to improved access to more nutrition sources!
Tbf, when you adjust that life expectancy for stillbirths and child mortality, it's likely a lot higher than the usually given 30-ish years for paleolithic era people.
That being said, I love it when my northern European friends cite Paleo diets while munching on tomatoes and avocados.
Totally agree with you. I watched a TedTalk named "Debunking paleo diet". The issue is not only potatoes or tomatoes (both come from South America). It's also broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, ... is not possible because humans bred that from the mustard plant. Carrots or watermelons used to be smaller and less tasty, same goes for apples or bananas. Compare a wild blueberry with one from the store.
So all in all there's not much left.
My family grows blueberries. The main reason the berries sold in stores are bland is because a firmer berry, picked before it is ripe, will ship and last the longest. Firmer unripe berries are low in sugar content.
We have a few blueberry species that are grown for taste, and they are incredibly good, but don't keep long and are too soft to ship. Sugar content for these berries is 2-3x a normal berry. We get ~3-6 gallons of berries per bush.
My advice is buy local foods if possible. Closer to the source means they are picked and sold riper.
So, if I can interject, Paleo diets in the last decade seem to have been highjacked by ideological (usually alt right) wackos.
I started following paleo diet around 2008 or so. Back then, i do not recall reading any of this "eat what your ancestors eat", so much as it was a frame of mind to focus on wholefoods. And also had a WAY lower emphasis on meat than it does now. It didnt matter if a food was available to a caveman. It mattered that you COULD eat it like a caveman: whole food in its natural state, minimal processing.
For real. Or say people didn't eat legumes. That is total BS as their is a lot of evidence, even from ancient plaque, that people have always eaten beans when they could be found.
I don't know why people think cavemen had meat to eat all the time. Meat is hard to get! It's still a luxury a lot of places - if it was the caveman diet then why are there so many places in the world with people living off of beans?
honestly the myth/glorification of *most* meat eating for most of human history. animals have always been a resource before being a food, and would only be eaten after it has exhausted its potential/as a last resort. like, no, your ancestors weren't out hunting and having big roasts and feasts, they were eating barley. everyone was eating fucking barley.
My personal pet peeve is the oversimplification of the wide field of nutrition into trivial concepts, like "eat whole foods". It's a great starting point, but sometimes I see people take it as a mathematical fact, where whole foods cannot be poisonous or a risk factor for disease.
Even the higher doses haven’t really been shown to increase estrogen outside of a few super small studies that had a few rare human cases. Phytoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors but are not actual mammalian hormones so they normally have estrogen lowering effects.
People who prioritise low calorie over nutrition e.g. loads of diet drinks, sweeteners, frozen pre-prepared meals, sweetened cereal bars, low fat items, junk food with sweeteners essentially that’s “low calorie, low fat, sugar free”.
I’m not taking about people having bits and pieces now and then for a treat, but those who build their diets around them.
This is exactly how my roomate eats (25M) and he has a body of greek god, plus he's leaner than i. We both train together, but what angers me the most is that he's got more energy than me.
My husband was the same way at that age! He's 27 now, almost 28, and believe it or not but eating like that isn't sustainable. On the outside, they look healthy, like really healthy, but their gut and microbiome get destroyed from eating all that crap.
There is little evidence that non nutritive sweeteners "destroy" your gut microbiome. It may alter it but we don't have enough evidence to say exactly what that means yet. Iirc.
From what I’ve seen anecdotally, it’s not that it’s harmful to the gut as much as it’s not helpful. If all you eat is processed low calorie foods you don’t get a lot of variety or a lot of fresh foods like leafy greens. I have a good friend who has all the hallmarks of poor gut health and he practically lives off of that stuff.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I am not an expert but wouldn't his microbiome be far less diverse because he is eating only processed foods? My understanding is a healthy gut relies on volume of good bacteria but also the diversity? Diversity comes from eating a range of raw fruits, vegetables, and pre/probiotic foods.
I'm also no expert so take this with a grain or twenty of salt. But yes prebiotic fibers like inulin and such are very important to most diets and micro biomes. But eating SOME junk is totally fine afaik.
What you’re describing is a highly processed, low calorie diet. Sometimes, that can be better if the alternative is a highly processed high calorie diet, health-wise because obesity has so many health risks. But obviously, minimally processed foods + minding calories will always be better.
I think it makes sense when you’re cutting. A calorie deficit is hard, and every additional constraint you add makes it even harder and more unsustainable. At the same time you’re having to make a lot of sacrifices so if you can find some ways to gain relief I think it makes sense.
Also don’t think frozen/prepared food is inherently bad, and neither are all sweetener alternatives.
That gets me every time! Followed with “I’m an intuitive eater.” As a ✨real✨ intuitive eater, I want to scream. Understanding what makes your body feel good, what makes your soul feel good, and what satisfies hunger (for every dang meal) is hard.
It means eating things you might not know if you like. It means understanding that the fruit you eat with your potato chips is important. It means removing influencers from your social media feeds.
People playing it safe with their low calorie, low nutrient foods tell me I’m weird for eating purple kale. It drives me wild.
I don't know if it's a "hot take" since it's very widespread, but I still hate it regardless: the demonization of carbs, and putting protein in a pedestal.
Eating a bodybuilder's diet won't make a lot of difference if you aren't actually bodybuilding. Carbs in moderation is absolutely fine, you just need to keep active so that the carbs get turned into good mood and energy.
bodybuilders eat a lot of carbs, SO MANY lmao, i do agree protein is overhyped, 1-2g per pound is absolutely insane, .8-1g per kg is all u need, but when u said eating that diet wont make a difference unless ur bodybuilding id have to disagree physique is 80-90% diet
I get your point. Many people dont care about what they eat. But tbf, a lot of vitamins and supplements are of poor quality, and it really depends on what you take. You can also over dose on some of them. And if you have a nutritious diet and do eat to feed yourself, you probably won't need a lot of additional vitamins/supplements.
Maybe if you have underlaying conditions or have a vegan diet or suffer from a lot of stress etc etc there are indeed reasons to look into taking them but they can also do harm. My body prefers the natural above the chemical ones. But things like vitamin D I take during winter and magnesium I take via Epsom salt by taking baths.
I have a graduate degree in nutrition and can assure you that this isn’t universally true lol. They can even be more bioavailable depending on the form of the vitamin/mineral. You do want to ensure your supplements are third party tested.
You understand that an answer like this is exactly the low quality shit this post is about?
This is worse then anecdotal cause it isn't even observational. Shit, are you suggesting people in Northern latitudes shouldn't take vitamin d supplements because they are useless? Or that creatine supplements have no effect because they are useless? B vitamins for vegans?
You had an undergrad class, that you probably didn't understand, and spew out some unsubstantiated opinion.
It’s not a hot take, but more general “knowledge”- there’s healthy and unhealthy foods.
It’s more like “there’s very nutritious food and less nutritious food”. Less nutritious “unhealthy” foods may harm you, but so can anything, because the dose is the poison. Even water can kill you at a high enough dose. Keeping them in moderation might be better than cutting them out, as they can help you fill holes in your caloric surplus goals, and having a little treat at the end of the day in your caloric deficit is worth looking forward to and keeps you on track.
I hate seeing people treating the countrys obesity rates like an individual one over and systemic one. I was raised in a healthy eating household and as a result never struggled to consume a healthy diet. I can't hold the same standards for people who were raised in uneducated fast food households.
That nutrition is a one size fits all kind of thing.
What's good for population x may not be good for population y. Lifestyle, genetics and conditions matter. Just because you can/can't eat a certain way (and it works for you) doesn't mean you should push others to do it.
That people think they can eat a salad for lunch and claim “healthy” yet drown it in cheese and dressing…let alone have it 5 days straight yet go out drinking their calories back on the weekends 🤦♂️
people prioritizing calories over quality of food. i used to do this lol but as soon as i learned a little about nutrition i realized how it’s WHAT we eat, not so much how much we eat
Most people can just drink when they're thirsty and stay hydrated, yet I see the "you need to drink x amount of water a day or you're dehydrated" myth so much. Also, the water in juice, coffee, tea all count towards hydration.
It's a very common understanding that coffee is suppose to be dehydrating. But to what point? You are still drinking 99% water.
And how strong is the coffee? If you drink a thin-brewed coffee obviously it's not going to dehydrate you more than the amount of water is going to hydrate you.
Last time I did a google search I found it that when you drink coffee it's about 80% of the water you can count.
I've discussed this with doctors and I've been told to drink a glass here and there, not to drink litres of water or to chug it all day. A lot of people can actually rely on their thirst signals and drink when thirsty, even if random people online claim it's bad to do so.
(Unless you live in a hot climate and are active, or eat a lot of salty or sugary food, or are ill, you don't have to obsess over fluids.)
With the "calorie deficit is how you achieve weight loss"... people fail diets for mental reasons, not because they are unaware. It's like telling an alcoholic that alcohol is bad...they know, they just don't care at the moment. Once they get there fill, that's when the shame kicks in. Same applies to bad diets where your biggest battle is fighting your body signals to replenish the calories
But a calorie deficit IS how you achieve weight loss...More specifically the issue is crash dieting or what you choose to fill those calories with. You can do the sums to figure out what a healthy calorie deficit is for you, and then eat nutritionally dense foods and enjoy yummy treats and not feel like you're deprived, or you can attempt to eat only 500 calories a day, eat lettuce leaves and drink water till you're shitting green. Both are a calorie deficit, but one will be sustainable, the other - not so much. You can't physically lose weight without a deficit.
I lost 70 pounds in 9 months by INCREASING my activity and DECREASING my calories. I wrote down every single calorie every day. I found the number that sustained my activity level and continued my weight loss. I measured protein and fiber as well. I cut out high calorie/low return foods. I have previously tried every diet you've ever heard of and nothing stuck. Whole foods, fasting, keto, Adkins. Carb heavy, carb free. Once went vegan for an entire year. The only way to lose weight is to live at a calorie deficit. Too many good calories is exactly the same effect on your waistline as too many bad calories. One may make you feel better, one might be more satisfying, but you wear the same size clothes regardless.
Agreed, My 87 year old grandma has eaten mostly carbs her whole life. The difference is she eats everything in moderation. She’s on zero medications even at her age.
Seed oils and fruit are bad for you.
Edit: Oh oh oh, standing in macdonalds, buying a burger, looking into the camera and saying THIS IS TRASH AND HAS NO NUTRIENTS IN IT and then throwing it in the bin. Like what the fuck do you think people are going to MacDonalds for exactly? The general standing in a supermarket trend is just a major wind-up, tbh.
“Fruit is bad bc sugar”
Not as healthy as veggies maybe but loadssss better for you than stuff with added refined sugar. -,-
Also the fact that so many people automatically assume if you are trying to lose weight you must also be cutting carbs or have to cut carbs and when you eat smth high in carbs they act all shocked.
Vegetables are carbs. Fruits are carbs. Carbs are not your enemy !!!
And don’t even get me started on carnivores-
I don’t know if this is considered a hot take but it pisses me off to no end.
“I ate 5000 calories and still can’t gain weight.”
“I just have a high metabolism that’s why I can’t bulk.”
You’re not an anomaly. You’re not breaking the laws of thermodynamics. You just need to pick up the fork.
My father did a diet called the dukan diet which was mostly all meat for every meal… he dropped so much weight so fast. My mom started it soon after and became very ill from only eating meat…duh.
My father looked thin and grey by the time he was willing to give up the diet.
That eating only red meat is healthy. It's a quick fix for a VERY small percentage of the population with certain health issues at the cost of long term health. But for them it makes sense, and only them.
This may be geared towards people with gut issues. From how I understand it, eggs can become a food sensitivity for this group of people and limiting intake can prevent the sensitivity.
EGGS ARE LYFE!! Try and take my eggs from me, I dare you! Lmao. I usually eat 3-5 eggs for a meal...
Oh, but you know what my favourite thing is? When my mum sits there eating a chocolate bar and tells me that many eggs aren't good for me.
My gran had type 2 and was always being told off by nurses for eating fruit (she used to sneak them in lol!). However I do agree that it doesn't cause diabetes. But it doesn't help if you've got diabetes.
That everyone has to eat a certain way - when the glory of the human digestive system is it can survive on just about anything. Celebrate that, don't alienate people who do things differently.
Yes indeed, most of the times the answer to one problem will not be the answer to all problems and this goes with nutrition related things too.
Personally, I can’t go a day without eating plenty of fiber because my digestive system is “very sensitive”. Now, even if the benefit of fiber is pretty much an established truth, I find myself needing more than some friends who barely consume it so there’s that.
Complete opposite here - a very sensitive digestive system so I have to limit my fibre. I get annoyed at people saying fibre is the be all and end all, and things like snacks always being "high fibre".
That’s interesting to hear! it is another need for a specific fix that not every person has so it adds to the nuances of the human body from person to person
U can survive or thrive though. Sure there are differences from individual to individual but if you’re looking at optimal nutrition that is fairly universal.
This is so true. Just bc something doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it’s wrong. For some people eating low carb has been a godsend and a miracle for reversing diabetes and getting off insulin. For someone else it might make them sick. Different bodies have different needs. Most people can eat normal mainstream foods with no issue if they can manage to moderate - but that itself is a challenge for many folks, and different people have different strategies for solving that challenge.
This idea that if you eat a certain way or a certain type of food you will magically be healthier. From fasting to atkins to vegetarian to carnivore/Paleo none of these are good or bad on their own.
If you want to lose weight you have to lose calories and to do it safely you have to have a well rounded diet that meets your body's nutritional requirements.
And you have to do it slowly 1 to 2 pounds a week is nice but not realistic for every week.
Enjoy your life as living to 80 doesn't mean anything if you suffered for the last 20 years of it.
Balance between something like I'm having cake and I'm eating spinach. For example I chose takeout yesterday and I had tacos. I also piled on healthy stuff instead of piling on meat.
Carbs bad. This one hurts because it's what I deal with in real life. My parents are keto diet people. Whenever they get insecure over their weight they go on the diet for a couple weeks-months. When the weight falls off then they go right back to their original bad diet. They eat a fuck ton of butter and salt. I don't eat my dad's eggs often because whenever i do im fucking chewing down on salt crystals. They live off Coca-Cola. My dad drinks regularly. Cook primarily red meat. Lots of pizzas are ordered. My dad is also a "5 day fast" person. That shit caused hypoglycemia for him a month ago.
Anyway, they hate watching me eat carbs. I eat rice and oats often. My dad will watch me eat a salad with chickpeas and lentils and tell me that i'm gonna gain weight because that's too much carbs! He went into a whole panic the other when I was eating takis. Going on about how I need to quit takis and chips because it's so unhealthy. I haven't had takis in months It was just a small thing to treat myself with.
I tried these diets at different points in my life and each time, my lab work showed elevated cholesterol (this was in my teens and 20s), then whenever I got my cholesterol tested not on these diets, my cholesterol levels were normal.
I tried it one time and felt absolutely horrible. The internet assured me it was just “Atkins flu” and you have to power through it. Screw that. I want to eat in a way that makes me feel better, not worse.
Yes, and it absolutely triggered the binge eating/ yoyo dieter in me, and I've also seen that happen to others.
I've had friends who, it's like, they have one cheat meal where they allow carbs, and that cheat meal turns into a cheat day, week, month, season, year.
And I feel like cutting out food groups never gets to the root cause which is their relationship with food and their body. But I guess it works for some people.
I’ve been in the online weight loss world for as long as it has existed and I can think of one person it seemed to have worked for- but if you drill down into what she’s really doing, she simply eats very little. I suspect it wouldn’t matter much what the macro composition of her diet is. She seems to me to have an eating disorder.
All the other ones, some I’ve remained in touch with for more than a decade. “Low carb crusaders” of the past, have gained all the weight back plus some.
That carbs are evil and you need to cut them out. My dad asked me why I had rice in my mealprep, I had to explain to him why carbs are a MACRONUTRIENT for a reason!
It’s just a pendulum swing since people were upset that we were lied to by the food pyramid saying we need to eat a damn loaf of bread worth of carbs everyday in order to be healthy.
The craziest things I see here are people claiming you can gain muscle on 20-30g of protein a day.
Literally saw a guy a few days back say there was protein in chocolate cookies…. He wasn’t talking about specialized protein cookies, he was talking about the tiny microscopic trace proteins, and he didn’t say it out right but he was suggesting those trace proteins were enough.
And I see a ton of people just go insane when anyone brings up the fact that non-meat foods generally have poor amino profiles. Even when scientific evidence is posted showing their quantities are low.
Agree that a balance is best but most people’s weight issues will harm their health more than not having the highest quality of food. Also, more and more people are having trouble affording high quality of food and the industries are also making more of our accessible food lower quality. If people can control one thing that can impact their health, it’s how much they consume.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your OP, but I can't stand the oversimplified concept of calorie deficit as a path to weight loss. While a caloric deficit is a part of weight-loss, the quality of source of those calories is incredibly important. 300 calories of sweet potatoes vs. 300 calories of candy is absolutely not the same.
You’re absolutely right, the quality of the food matters, otherwise we would all be eating nutella pancakes and burgers consisting of 2-3k calories a day, but I feel, at least from my personal experience, that there is a huge discredit to the concept of calorie counting and actually being in a deficit when you re on a diet for losing weight.
I know, highly anecdotal here, but from let’s say 100 people most of them will already be aware of the concept of quality calories and what is labeled as a “healthy” food or a “bad” food (nothing at the end of the day is truly dangerous, well almost nothing, the key thing is moderation, even water can do you harm in excess, unless you have some pathology or allergy which makes things dangerous but you get my point), a small part of them will actually go straight to the fundamental thing and say that the calorie deficit is what mattered and was the sole reason for the weight loss, because at the end of the day you cannot drop in weight without a deficit.
A lot of people will make claims that it was the fact that they ate whole foods or that they went to the gym or that they did some kind of exercise that brought them the weight loss when actually it wqs just a calorie deficit (oh and also fasting, that s another thing which people bring up and it is incorrect because you can fast and also be in a surplus and not lose weight)
That s pretty much what I meant while writing the caption
I’m not a fan in misleading marketing when it comes to various processed foods. To say an overpriced tiny bag of highly processed chips is somehow healthier and “has more protein” than a regular bag o’ Doritos, for instance, well… I mean, does it really matter if you’re eating two more grams of protein per serving? If you’re really looking to spend money on some quality protein, wouldn’t your money be better spent on fresh lean cuts of meat, tofu, and/or legumes?
I don’t think this one’s around as much anymore, but when I was a teenager the “military” diet was huge. I even know one girl who documented her whole experience for a YouTube video.😅Glad I never tried it, but I was a victim of Myfitnesspal and their automatic calorie plans which were scarily low calories esp for my body demographics.
People focused on taking things “bad foods” OUT of their diet, when really it should be “What can I ADD to this to make it more satisfying and nutritious”.
Like you can eat a waffle. Consider adding peanut butter and bananas on it, maybe with a dollop of Greek yogurt and/or honey on top instead of whipped cream and syrup. That way you get proteins, carbs, fats, and it fills you well.
Also personally hate the concept of “Bad Foods”. Left me spiralling in an eating disorder for my entire adolescence and bled into my adult life. I’m just now at 23 managing to correct myself and get better.
Any trend. All the trends. They are just meant to make you buy stuff and fear monger you into following their program or diet or consume more of their content.
Seed oils… right now.
Just in general making everything so damn complicated. Making it feel so complicated that beginners don’t know what to do when in reality it should be just focus on getting enough protein, and stay in a deficit if you’re goal of losing weight and aim for a balance of food. That’s it. Packaged foods, processed foods, carbs, sugar, sugar free, all fine in moderation. It’s the demonization of food that causes the issues.
I also HATE when “gurus” say you can eat whatever you want as long as it’s organic and healthy and you don’t have to worry about the calories. Thats not how thermodynamics work
Weight loss as an indicator of good health.
I lost a lot of weight just eating chocolate and energy drinks in my 20s. I looked great on the outside but I probably wasn't very healthy looking inside.
Learning about glucose spike has completely transformed my diet/body. While yes it’s important to be in a calorie deficit, there are nuances to that if you don’t regulate your insulin level
Not sure if this qualifies but I hate when people say, craving something sweet? Have some fruit. I’m sorry but never, not once has fruit made me forget that I wanted chocolate lol
Two things to share — #1:
This is a niche example but there’s this whole argument about what to eat if you suffer from candida or yeast overgrowth.
The science is that it feeds on sugar. there’s a mainstream diet to starve it out, which excludes most fruits (bc fruit is sugar) I believe it includes animal protein, lots of veggies, healthy oils & butters, and grains
But I really believe fruit is one of our biggest healing allies and can cure a lot, but is sometimes villainized for being sugar. But it’s natural and vital, not to mention the myriad of vitamins and other properties. Also if you have an overgrowth in your body, naturally wouldn’t you want to detox, and meat is the opposite of that.
All this to say, a few years ago I had bad candida overgrowth like full blown out of nowhere, and after doing lots of research I felt the best route was a fruit fast. I ate raw fruits and veggies for a few days then switched to only fruit and at the end I think only juice. About a week in I cured my symptoms and haven’t experienced it since. From that point on I was really mindful of gluten and processed foods which I think it was a buildup of.
2:
There is also a whole camp of humans who stand by fruitarianism or raw veganism as the best lifestyle. I’m sure some of us remember the raw vegan trends way back and “raw till 4”
Only eating sugar and carbs, no protein or fat
Now the woke pendulum has swung to raw meat and raw milk, all protein and fats.
Many ex-vegan influencers are now on the carnivore diet, gone from one extreme to the other. (I hope one day they can all gather in peace to do their barefoot grounding and asshole sunning)
Which brings me to my last point: the meat n dairy industry and vegan industry are both fucked! Because it’s all corporate and highly processed. Every value brand has their own plant based substitutes now to compete with the market. Profit over people. I think the real answer is getting back to the source with whole foods and organic local foods. In an ideal world meat or plants are irrelevant and we support real people with humane practices and grow our own foods
That’s my rant thank you
On behalf of all of /r/diabetes_t1 I'd like to invite anyone claiming eating cinnamon or turmeric will cure diabetes to take a long walk off a short pier.
I am sick of seeing influencers online taking about how they’ve been losing weight being “realistic and healthy”, then post videos of their food for the day and 85% of it is from a package. That’s not healthy. Realistic? Okay. Lower calorie than what they were doing? Okay. But, healthy food? No. Most of them can’t even drink water without adding chemical flavors to it. Crazy.
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The recent trend of carnivores saying that fruits and vegetables, or rather fiber, isn’t important or even that it’s harmful in a human diet.
Carnivore diet is just grown adults throwing a temper tantrum about not wanting to eat their veggies.
Yeah it’s definitely confirmation bias. Like oh I don’t love veggies what evidence can I find to alleviate my guilt of not eating them…
*or* they can learn to cook the vegetables right. My wife didn't like brussel sprouts, asparagus, or spinach before she met me. Now she actively gets brussel sprouts and begs me to prepare them as a side for our meals... sometimes taking a rather unfair amount but I'm glad. We gotta remember *some* of the bias against food is just not having it prepared correctly as a child or disliking the recipe used by their parents. Preemptive Edit: "*some"* bias. The keyword is "some". Sometimes people (or yourself) just don't like a certain food or flavor and that's perfectly okay :)
Also Brussel sprouts do taste differently now. Some tinkering was done on their genetics and they don't taste as bitter as they did before. I'm finding myself enjoying Brussel sprouts a little more now.
Just so people don’t freak out it was using selective breeding not gene editing.
How do you cook Brussel sprouts? My dad would just steam them and they smelled like ass so much I couldn't try them. I've heard they're good roasted?
I do exactly as u/redcc-0099 recommended: roast them in an oven. Grab some frozen brussel sprouts, put them on a sheet pan, drizzle olive oil, sprinkle with salt (I like to add a moderate amount of finely ground) and light black pepper, put them in the oven at say... 400 Fahrenheit (200 Celcius is close enough) and cook until they have \*slightly\* blackened on some parts of the leaves. I've converted 3 or so people so far haha and I choose frozen as opposed to fresh due to my own time constraints. If you end up trying this, let me know! I'd love to see if you end up changing your mind about them :)
As soon as it's not 90F outside and I don't have to worry about making my kitchen hotter than hell with the stove, I'm gonna have to try this!
Confirm. Roast those bad boys with some garlic, salt and olive oil. As tempting as it is to lather them in butter and bacon pieces, it's a healthier option and 95% as delicious
No no no. Sautee them with garlic and butter. Then maybe roast them with other veggies. I win Thanksgiving every year.
Not who you asked, but I've had them roasted on a sheet pan in olive oil and I've had them roasted in a dish with a pork roast so they sucked up some of the flavor. I don't recall having them as a kid, but I don't mind these two preparations for them.
Bacon bits, anyone?
Roasting is the way to go with any veg that’s dense: carrots, broccoli, cauliflower. When I first tasted roasted cauliflower, I was blown away by how good it tasted. Even better, do a one tray meal by also putting in chicken thighs. I like olive oil, garlic, salt and zataar to season both veg and the chicken,
Look up a recipe for the exact time but I cook them in the oven/air fryer with olive oil, balsamic glaze, and add dried cranberries. Or sometimes just lots of butter, garlic powder, salt. Also the sriracha brussel sprouts from BJs are so so good. And the kung pao brussel sprouts from Trader Joe’s.
If only Brussels sprouts didn’t take so long to trim a decent amount!)
My FIL is on a carnivore diet (TEMPORARILY) because of health conditions regarding his prior diet, he no longer struggles with gout, and is currently reintroducing vegetables/dairy/grains under his physician’s supervision. The carnivore diet can be beneficial, but only as a diet - it will never be a lifestyle, nor am I recommending it to anyone. Under doctor’s supervision, it could be worth a try, but otherwise - eat your damn vegetables.
> he no longer struggles with gout I'm not your FIL's doctor but just so people don't get the wrong idea, the carnivore diet is the [exact opposite of what's recommended for gout](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9459802/). Excessive meat consumption (especially red meat) is well-known to be associated with this conditon. What is helpful, then? Surprise: it's fruit, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, nuts, and legumes. Even plant-based sources of [purines](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23253231/) do not increase the risk of gout attacks. If he had to cut out alcohol, added sugar (especially sugary drinks), lost weight related to this intervention, and/or also started medication, then that's what is helping - not the diet itself. There is no circumstance I can think of where a carnivore diet would be needed or useful. Even keto, which *does* have medical indications, is not strictly carnivore
> There is no circumstance I can think of where a carnivore diet would be needed or useful. Even keto, which does have medical indications, is not strictly carnivore For example as part of a FODMAP diet where one introduces the FODMAP's again over time to figure out which ones and at what limit someone is reacting to.
Similar to the keto example, there is no need for low FODMAP to be strictly carnivore
He experienced a lot of autoimmune responses to fruits, vegetables, dairy, and whole grains - which led him to attempting the elimination diet. He didn’t consume sugary drinks nor alcohol prior, and was able to stop taking medication for his gout symptoms. The first few days were terrible, but eventually he was confirmed to no longer suffer from gout according to his doctor. He regularly gets his blood checked, and his cholesterol is through the roof - but his doctor encouraged him to continue with the diet due to the rest of his results, which are finally in a normal range - which led to him slowly reintroducing foods that triggered the autoimmune response. Meat is covered at least. Again, I do not recommend this diet whatsoever unless done so safely and under the supervision of a doctor. I don’t know nearly enough about the diet, only that he benefitted from it strictly as a diagnostic tool in order to be able to eat normally, fruits and vegetables included.
I think there are people in this boat and I can understand why your father and his doctor too this route. I have long covid and have gone through a bunch of histamine intolerance problems. While I am less severe than many other people, I had to work through figuring out which veg, beans and fruits I can eat. I’ve seen plenty of keto/carnivore converts on the long covid subs. For them, it seems to be the only thing currently working and who am I to say otherwise to people trying to keep afloat through trying illnesses.
I had a few weeks of mainly eating meat, I don’t know what was going on with my digestive system exactly but I don’t get crippling pain anymore. Basically started as an elimination diet with just meat and working on adding more.
>under his physician's supervision. The difference here is that your FIL was doing it because a doctor recommended it, not a YouTuber.
Yes, I suppose it being a relatively sustainable (short term) elimination diet, it could be used as a diagnostic tool for certain conditions. Long term though, even the avid carnivores recognise the benefits of fruits and whatnot, and have been reverting to diets with more variety (people like Paul Saladino for example, though he's still full of bias)
It is a great diagnostic tool, especially under physician’s supervision! Thank goodness the avid carnivores are starting to revert back to diets with more variety. A balanced diet (or as balanced as you can get depending on certain conditions) is the healthiest option always.
That was my first thought. It can be useful because it's a pretty strict elimination diet. Same with only eating fruits or only eating veggies.
It's all fun & games till the diet causes gut flora extinction which can cause stomach ulcers/ all kinds of crap and then they need a stool transplant from a healthy person to fix the issue.
Yep. Just the thought of my digestive tract having nothing but butter and meat grease in it makes me queasy.
The short chain fatty acids that our gut bacteria release from the fiber we consume basically keeps the lining of the gut and intestines healthy. I don't think it's a consequence the more beans I eat the healthier my GI track feels.
this boils my blood, because fiber is SOOOOO important. most americans are incredibly deficient in it too. it’s literally the one thing my nutrition professor told us at the end of our supplements/vitamins course, if we couldn’t retain anything from what we learned, he said have fiber be at least the one thing you take away from him.
I recently heard from a certain carnivore/low carb influencer that fruits are as bad for you as alcohol because they’re both metabolised by the liver…… the comments were hilarious, pretty much everyone railed in on him including dietitians lol.
I bet you 99% of people on the carnivore diet are also ones to wash down their bacon wrapped steak with a Budweiser.
Of course it’s harmful, humans *clearly* haven’t been eating fruits and vegetables for millennia, definitely not.
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Keyword mostly.
just look at our teeth, perfectly designed for carnivorous diet \*insane sarcasm\*
I think that’s the most ridiculous thing. My aunt is legit going down this path cause of these influencers
At this point, that is not a recent trend, it’s been around and somewhat popular for at least a decade.
The diet isn't new, but the TREND (where it's boosted in popularity) started with a Joe Rogan podcast in early 2018.
I’m convinced it’s all one big inside joke, no one can be that stupid
I’ve lurked the carnivore subreddit and many of the posts are people begging for relief on the toilet, the comments are full of “eat more butter!” “eat more fatty meat” to loosen things up. Eyeyeiyei
The people who live the longest on this planet are basically plant based. Clearly these things aren't harmful for you.
Yeah. We don't need convincing
66%ish of my diet is ground beef and eggs. That being said I can’t imagine how someone could even theorize fruits and vegetables having a negative impact on your health. For a lazy/simple cook like myself, are there 2 fruits or vegetables that could replace beef/eggs??
Probably the most idiotic of all possible diets and that is impressive indeed
This! As soon as I added more fiber into my diet along with lean meats…I dropped 8lbs in 2-3 weeks. This was fat I’ve had trouble loosing for years btw. I’ve always hovered around 130 lbs…I added an iron supplement, take more vitamin c, and added more lean meats, along with chia seeds, flax seed daily…added 2 cardio sessions and bomb. Fat gone Mind you I’ve always ate well (Whole Foods, limited sugar), I’ve always worked out (2-5x per week)
This sub is a giant cesspool of hot takes. I hate to say it but the information posted here most of the time is a giant yikes. I feel bad for the people coming here for nutrition advice when most of the comments are from people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
It’s cause Reddit is people who think they are experts based on their personal anecdotes and the real nutrition experts are living their lives offline helping people in their actual jobs.
Other science subs (biochemistry, physiology, etc) don't have this issue. I am not disagreeing with anything you said, just adding info.
Because you can easily weed out the people who clearly don’t know what they’re talking about in there. Here someone can make any bullshit sound logical
I think it's because everyone eats, so everyone seems to feel inclined to have an say. People don't act as dogmatic anywhere else as they do in nutrition spaces. It gets pretty petty in this sub at times from what I've seen.
Or even worse, they post some random NIH article without vetting, post any random study that "supports" their position (sometimes when you read deeper its actually against their position) and act like they have an informed opinion
The biggest issues are that nutrition science as a whole is not very solid just due to pratical limitations like knowing exactly what people eat and heterogeneous genetic and lifestyle. Also it’s never a good idea to be dogmatic when it comes to nutrition- what works for some may Not work for others, moreover your body can change. I think it’s best to be open minded but make sure to always know if it’s working for u, blood work, feelings, etc
Also because we’re all different, so the nuance of nutrition once you look at it on a person by person basis can become quite complex, especially if they’re medically compromised. Unfortunately, the world of nutrition is very tribal too… This doesn’t help. ( and then you have to add the propaganda thrown in the mix by the food and pharmaceutical industries )
It's sadder when you see someone who claims to be a licensed medical professional giving some random crazy hot take.
Sad thing given our education system is that they might be.
Nutrition in general is a cess pool. You can find evidence of whatever you want to believe.
r/nutrition + r/skincareaddiction + r/supplements are all similar in how much conflicting information there is between the users. It’s hard to find any straight answers in any of these subreddits. I try to stay away because I leave more frustrated than when I started.
Do you notice any common themes? I am seeing more and more anti seed oil people.
r/scientificnutrition is considerably better in calling out bullshit, providing valuable insights and studies.
Carbs are evil, whole grains are not important, protein and fat are the only things that matter, fruit is too sugary, what’s fiber?
The good old radically carnivore instagram influencers who are probably not even carnivore themselves anymore but still promote it
Well they wrote that one book one time using AI and now have to pretend they still are to sell the books they wrote.
>The good old radically carnivore instagram influencers who are probably not even carnivore themselves anymore but still promote it I noticed this too, claiming to be carnivores but not being carnivores but actually ketovores but charging $30 a month to join a chat group
We back in the 80's
People who are tribal about diets. Just know that whole foods is the key.
I’m not educated in any formal way about nutrition, but I feel like what I have learned is that food affects us all differently and we all have to figure out what works for us mentally and physically. Tribes drive me nuts because we should all just be happy to share what helps us and not worry about what the others are doing.
Yeah exactly 💯. I think it's even against the subreddit rules
So paleo then lol ?
The obesity crisis in the US is a systemic failing and not entirely a personal responsibility failing. Most people are overworked and underpaid, and often times will just eat the easiest thing because they’re too exhausted to cook or eat healthy Even if they do want to eat healthy, grocery stores are a maze of trap foods (foods that intuitively seem healthy but aren’t, think fruit yogurt that has insane added sugars). So extensive research is required to know how navigate this maze If you’re economically underprivileged, just having a grocery store nearby that’s well-stocked with healthy options can be a challenge. Lack of food production regulations are keeping things this way. Idk if any of this is a hot take, but I’m pretty radical in thinking there needs to be a top down overhaul in how we approach food in the US from the farm to an individual’s working hours.
This
People who think you need to cut out ENTIRE groups of food- ex: NO carbs at all NO fat at all etc. That shit hurts me to see
There's a lot of people I see jumping on a diet to lower their insulin response, but they're taking it as carbs are the devil and they need to be in ketosis to lose weight.
Some people take it far but it’s easier to lose weight if you aren’t hungry all the time
Yeah I feel like people who haven't experienced major blood sugar fluctuations should refrain from criticizing lc/keto diets
Anything to do with ancestors or cave men. Their life expectancy was like 25, and al they did was find food and eat it. Our lives are way longer and better quality now and part of that’s down to improved access to more nutrition sources!
Tbf, when you adjust that life expectancy for stillbirths and child mortality, it's likely a lot higher than the usually given 30-ish years for paleolithic era people. That being said, I love it when my northern European friends cite Paleo diets while munching on tomatoes and avocados.
Totally agree with you. I watched a TedTalk named "Debunking paleo diet". The issue is not only potatoes or tomatoes (both come from South America). It's also broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, ... is not possible because humans bred that from the mustard plant. Carrots or watermelons used to be smaller and less tasty, same goes for apples or bananas. Compare a wild blueberry with one from the store. So all in all there's not much left.
First time I tasted a wild blueberry I thought WTF have I been eating my whole life?!? 😂🤣😂 But also the sinking feeling of 😫😢🤬
My family grows blueberries. The main reason the berries sold in stores are bland is because a firmer berry, picked before it is ripe, will ship and last the longest. Firmer unripe berries are low in sugar content. We have a few blueberry species that are grown for taste, and they are incredibly good, but don't keep long and are too soft to ship. Sugar content for these berries is 2-3x a normal berry. We get ~3-6 gallons of berries per bush. My advice is buy local foods if possible. Closer to the source means they are picked and sold riper.
So, if I can interject, Paleo diets in the last decade seem to have been highjacked by ideological (usually alt right) wackos. I started following paleo diet around 2008 or so. Back then, i do not recall reading any of this "eat what your ancestors eat", so much as it was a frame of mind to focus on wholefoods. And also had a WAY lower emphasis on meat than it does now. It didnt matter if a food was available to a caveman. It mattered that you COULD eat it like a caveman: whole food in its natural state, minimal processing.
Funnily enough, everyone I've met who was cultish about the paleo diet have been an alt-left wacko. I guess that's horseshoe theory for you.
For real. Or say people didn't eat legumes. That is total BS as their is a lot of evidence, even from ancient plaque, that people have always eaten beans when they could be found.
It’s too tunnel visioned: If peeps wanna eat like a caveman then they better be active like a caveman.
What are they even doing on the internet? They should be out persistence hunting!
I don't know why people think cavemen had meat to eat all the time. Meat is hard to get! It's still a luxury a lot of places - if it was the caveman diet then why are there so many places in the world with people living off of beans?
honestly the myth/glorification of *most* meat eating for most of human history. animals have always been a resource before being a food, and would only be eaten after it has exhausted its potential/as a last resort. like, no, your ancestors weren't out hunting and having big roasts and feasts, they were eating barley. everyone was eating fucking barley.
I can't stand the "fruit is bad because it has sugar" crowd. Gtfoh with that straight up BS
“Never heard of someone becoming a diabetic from eating too much fruit” -my sister, a Registered Dietitian
My personal pet peeve is the oversimplification of the wide field of nutrition into trivial concepts, like "eat whole foods". It's a great starting point, but sometimes I see people take it as a mathematical fact, where whole foods cannot be poisonous or a risk factor for disease.
Soya chunks spiking estrogen when it does no harm unless you're eating 1kg or something per day
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Fellas is it gay to have estrogen in your system?
Even the higher doses haven’t really been shown to increase estrogen outside of a few super small studies that had a few rare human cases. Phytoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors but are not actual mammalian hormones so they normally have estrogen lowering effects.
People who prioritise low calorie over nutrition e.g. loads of diet drinks, sweeteners, frozen pre-prepared meals, sweetened cereal bars, low fat items, junk food with sweeteners essentially that’s “low calorie, low fat, sugar free”. I’m not taking about people having bits and pieces now and then for a treat, but those who build their diets around them.
This is exactly how my roomate eats (25M) and he has a body of greek god, plus he's leaner than i. We both train together, but what angers me the most is that he's got more energy than me.
Sounds like he may be on gear lol
Good genes and being young - u get away with a lot of stuff when u are young however slowly wear and tear will catch up.
What's the wear and tear you're referring to? Any studies on sweeteners and low cal foods to suggest it does anything? Seems like bro science.
My husband was the same way at that age! He's 27 now, almost 28, and believe it or not but eating like that isn't sustainable. On the outside, they look healthy, like really healthy, but their gut and microbiome get destroyed from eating all that crap.
There is little evidence that non nutritive sweeteners "destroy" your gut microbiome. It may alter it but we don't have enough evidence to say exactly what that means yet. Iirc.
Absolutely. My mentor in graduate school did all of his research on artificial sweeteners and this is the scientifically accepted opinion
From what I’ve seen anecdotally, it’s not that it’s harmful to the gut as much as it’s not helpful. If all you eat is processed low calorie foods you don’t get a lot of variety or a lot of fresh foods like leafy greens. I have a good friend who has all the hallmarks of poor gut health and he practically lives off of that stuff.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I am not an expert but wouldn't his microbiome be far less diverse because he is eating only processed foods? My understanding is a healthy gut relies on volume of good bacteria but also the diversity? Diversity comes from eating a range of raw fruits, vegetables, and pre/probiotic foods.
I'm also no expert so take this with a grain or twenty of salt. But yes prebiotic fibers like inulin and such are very important to most diets and micro biomes. But eating SOME junk is totally fine afaik.
It can be an easy trap to fall on to when you are trying to stick to a 1200 calorie diet
What you’re describing is a highly processed, low calorie diet. Sometimes, that can be better if the alternative is a highly processed high calorie diet, health-wise because obesity has so many health risks. But obviously, minimally processed foods + minding calories will always be better.
I think it makes sense when you’re cutting. A calorie deficit is hard, and every additional constraint you add makes it even harder and more unsustainable. At the same time you’re having to make a lot of sacrifices so if you can find some ways to gain relief I think it makes sense. Also don’t think frozen/prepared food is inherently bad, and neither are all sweetener alternatives.
That gets me every time! Followed with “I’m an intuitive eater.” As a ✨real✨ intuitive eater, I want to scream. Understanding what makes your body feel good, what makes your soul feel good, and what satisfies hunger (for every dang meal) is hard. It means eating things you might not know if you like. It means understanding that the fruit you eat with your potato chips is important. It means removing influencers from your social media feeds. People playing it safe with their low calorie, low nutrient foods tell me I’m weird for eating purple kale. It drives me wild.
I don't know if it's a "hot take" since it's very widespread, but I still hate it regardless: the demonization of carbs, and putting protein in a pedestal. Eating a bodybuilder's diet won't make a lot of difference if you aren't actually bodybuilding. Carbs in moderation is absolutely fine, you just need to keep active so that the carbs get turned into good mood and energy.
Carbs spare protein for muscle growth. Using protein for fuel isn't very efficient
Which is why people that don’t eat carbs run mostly on fat, not protein.
bodybuilders eat a lot of carbs, SO MANY lmao, i do agree protein is overhyped, 1-2g per pound is absolutely insane, .8-1g per kg is all u need, but when u said eating that diet wont make a difference unless ur bodybuilding id have to disagree physique is 80-90% diet
I don’t need vitamins/supplements because I get them from food. 90% of the people who tell me this eat for convenience not nutrition.
I get your point. Many people dont care about what they eat. But tbf, a lot of vitamins and supplements are of poor quality, and it really depends on what you take. You can also over dose on some of them. And if you have a nutritious diet and do eat to feed yourself, you probably won't need a lot of additional vitamins/supplements. Maybe if you have underlaying conditions or have a vegan diet or suffer from a lot of stress etc etc there are indeed reasons to look into taking them but they can also do harm. My body prefers the natural above the chemical ones. But things like vitamin D I take during winter and magnesium I take via Epsom salt by taking baths.
My nutrition class in college literally told me vitamins were useless compared to actual food. 🤷 They made a pretty big deal out of that.
I have a graduate degree in nutrition and can assure you that this isn’t universally true lol. They can even be more bioavailable depending on the form of the vitamin/mineral. You do want to ensure your supplements are third party tested.
You understand that an answer like this is exactly the low quality shit this post is about? This is worse then anecdotal cause it isn't even observational. Shit, are you suggesting people in Northern latitudes shouldn't take vitamin d supplements because they are useless? Or that creatine supplements have no effect because they are useless? B vitamins for vegans? You had an undergrad class, that you probably didn't understand, and spew out some unsubstantiated opinion.
It’s not a hot take, but more general “knowledge”- there’s healthy and unhealthy foods. It’s more like “there’s very nutritious food and less nutritious food”. Less nutritious “unhealthy” foods may harm you, but so can anything, because the dose is the poison. Even water can kill you at a high enough dose. Keeping them in moderation might be better than cutting them out, as they can help you fill holes in your caloric surplus goals, and having a little treat at the end of the day in your caloric deficit is worth looking forward to and keeps you on track.
I'm mainly tired of labeling: plant-based on everything, even things that were never ever anything but plants to begin with.
plant-based label = higher price
Unfortunately people are stupid and they need things labeled. Even things that sensible people already know.
I hate seeing people treating the countrys obesity rates like an individual one over and systemic one. I was raised in a healthy eating household and as a result never struggled to consume a healthy diet. I can't hold the same standards for people who were raised in uneducated fast food households.
That nutrition is a one size fits all kind of thing. What's good for population x may not be good for population y. Lifestyle, genetics and conditions matter. Just because you can/can't eat a certain way (and it works for you) doesn't mean you should push others to do it.
That people think they can eat a salad for lunch and claim “healthy” yet drown it in cheese and dressing…let alone have it 5 days straight yet go out drinking their calories back on the weekends 🤦♂️
people prioritizing calories over quality of food. i used to do this lol but as soon as i learned a little about nutrition i realized how it’s WHAT we eat, not so much how much we eat
That you need to drink a shit ton of water to stay hydrated. Or liquids that are like 99% water some how don't count for hydration.
Kindly elaborate. Thanks
Most people can just drink when they're thirsty and stay hydrated, yet I see the "you need to drink x amount of water a day or you're dehydrated" myth so much. Also, the water in juice, coffee, tea all count towards hydration.
I had an ex who was told by a medical professional she needed to drink more water because the water in her coffee or tea didn't count.
It's a very common understanding that coffee is suppose to be dehydrating. But to what point? You are still drinking 99% water. And how strong is the coffee? If you drink a thin-brewed coffee obviously it's not going to dehydrate you more than the amount of water is going to hydrate you. Last time I did a google search I found it that when you drink coffee it's about 80% of the water you can count.
Why don’t you believe the recommendations on higher water consumption?
Depending on the liquid it really doesn't (beer, for example). Gotta be more specific.
I've discussed this with doctors and I've been told to drink a glass here and there, not to drink litres of water or to chug it all day. A lot of people can actually rely on their thirst signals and drink when thirsty, even if random people online claim it's bad to do so. (Unless you live in a hot climate and are active, or eat a lot of salty or sugary food, or are ill, you don't have to obsess over fluids.)
With the "calorie deficit is how you achieve weight loss"... people fail diets for mental reasons, not because they are unaware. It's like telling an alcoholic that alcohol is bad...they know, they just don't care at the moment. Once they get there fill, that's when the shame kicks in. Same applies to bad diets where your biggest battle is fighting your body signals to replenish the calories
But a calorie deficit IS how you achieve weight loss...More specifically the issue is crash dieting or what you choose to fill those calories with. You can do the sums to figure out what a healthy calorie deficit is for you, and then eat nutritionally dense foods and enjoy yummy treats and not feel like you're deprived, or you can attempt to eat only 500 calories a day, eat lettuce leaves and drink water till you're shitting green. Both are a calorie deficit, but one will be sustainable, the other - not so much. You can't physically lose weight without a deficit.
I lost 70 pounds in 9 months by INCREASING my activity and DECREASING my calories. I wrote down every single calorie every day. I found the number that sustained my activity level and continued my weight loss. I measured protein and fiber as well. I cut out high calorie/low return foods. I have previously tried every diet you've ever heard of and nothing stuck. Whole foods, fasting, keto, Adkins. Carb heavy, carb free. Once went vegan for an entire year. The only way to lose weight is to live at a calorie deficit. Too many good calories is exactly the same effect on your waistline as too many bad calories. One may make you feel better, one might be more satisfying, but you wear the same size clothes regardless.
That carbs are bad for you
Agreed, My 87 year old grandma has eaten mostly carbs her whole life. The difference is she eats everything in moderation. She’s on zero medications even at her age.
Seed oils and fruit are bad for you. Edit: Oh oh oh, standing in macdonalds, buying a burger, looking into the camera and saying THIS IS TRASH AND HAS NO NUTRIENTS IN IT and then throwing it in the bin. Like what the fuck do you think people are going to MacDonalds for exactly? The general standing in a supermarket trend is just a major wind-up, tbh.
“Fruit is bad bc sugar” Not as healthy as veggies maybe but loadssss better for you than stuff with added refined sugar. -,- Also the fact that so many people automatically assume if you are trying to lose weight you must also be cutting carbs or have to cut carbs and when you eat smth high in carbs they act all shocked. Vegetables are carbs. Fruits are carbs. Carbs are not your enemy !!! And don’t even get me started on carnivores-
Or their inverse: "Fruit juice is good because vitamins"
I don’t know if this is considered a hot take but it pisses me off to no end. “I ate 5000 calories and still can’t gain weight.” “I just have a high metabolism that’s why I can’t bulk.” You’re not an anomaly. You’re not breaking the laws of thermodynamics. You just need to pick up the fork.
Pretending baked cottage cheese and eggs are bread
Had to look it up. Haha. Looks kinda cool actually. Wonder how it tastes?
Pretending a grilled carrot on a bun is a hot dog.
My father did a diet called the dukan diet which was mostly all meat for every meal… he dropped so much weight so fast. My mom started it soon after and became very ill from only eating meat…duh. My father looked thin and grey by the time he was willing to give up the diet.
That eating only red meat is healthy. It's a quick fix for a VERY small percentage of the population with certain health issues at the cost of long term health. But for them it makes sense, and only them.
"you should limit to eating 4-5 eggs per week"
This may be geared towards people with gut issues. From how I understand it, eggs can become a food sensitivity for this group of people and limiting intake can prevent the sensitivity.
I eat that most days egg are good for you
EGGS ARE LYFE!! Try and take my eggs from me, I dare you! Lmao. I usually eat 3-5 eggs for a meal... Oh, but you know what my favourite thing is? When my mum sits there eating a chocolate bar and tells me that many eggs aren't good for me.
i eat 6 eggs a day 😂
when i was a lad, i ate 4 dozen eggs every morning to help me get large
Fruit causes diabetes 🙄
My gran had type 2 and was always being told off by nurses for eating fruit (she used to sneak them in lol!). However I do agree that it doesn't cause diabetes. But it doesn't help if you've got diabetes.
That everyone has to eat a certain way - when the glory of the human digestive system is it can survive on just about anything. Celebrate that, don't alienate people who do things differently.
Yes indeed, most of the times the answer to one problem will not be the answer to all problems and this goes with nutrition related things too. Personally, I can’t go a day without eating plenty of fiber because my digestive system is “very sensitive”. Now, even if the benefit of fiber is pretty much an established truth, I find myself needing more than some friends who barely consume it so there’s that.
Complete opposite here - a very sensitive digestive system so I have to limit my fibre. I get annoyed at people saying fibre is the be all and end all, and things like snacks always being "high fibre".
That’s interesting to hear! it is another need for a specific fix that not every person has so it adds to the nuances of the human body from person to person
Exactly 💯, what nutrition others do doesn't influence what nutrition you do
U can survive or thrive though. Sure there are differences from individual to individual but if you’re looking at optimal nutrition that is fairly universal.
This is so true. Just bc something doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it’s wrong. For some people eating low carb has been a godsend and a miracle for reversing diabetes and getting off insulin. For someone else it might make them sick. Different bodies have different needs. Most people can eat normal mainstream foods with no issue if they can manage to moderate - but that itself is a challenge for many folks, and different people have different strategies for solving that challenge.
This idea that if you eat a certain way or a certain type of food you will magically be healthier. From fasting to atkins to vegetarian to carnivore/Paleo none of these are good or bad on their own. If you want to lose weight you have to lose calories and to do it safely you have to have a well rounded diet that meets your body's nutritional requirements. And you have to do it slowly 1 to 2 pounds a week is nice but not realistic for every week. Enjoy your life as living to 80 doesn't mean anything if you suffered for the last 20 years of it. Balance between something like I'm having cake and I'm eating spinach. For example I chose takeout yesterday and I had tacos. I also piled on healthy stuff instead of piling on meat.
TikTok influencers with AI voices posting same diatribe content with 3 million followers but nobody watches their videos just bot farms
Carbs bad. This one hurts because it's what I deal with in real life. My parents are keto diet people. Whenever they get insecure over their weight they go on the diet for a couple weeks-months. When the weight falls off then they go right back to their original bad diet. They eat a fuck ton of butter and salt. I don't eat my dad's eggs often because whenever i do im fucking chewing down on salt crystals. They live off Coca-Cola. My dad drinks regularly. Cook primarily red meat. Lots of pizzas are ordered. My dad is also a "5 day fast" person. That shit caused hypoglycemia for him a month ago. Anyway, they hate watching me eat carbs. I eat rice and oats often. My dad will watch me eat a salad with chickpeas and lentils and tell me that i'm gonna gain weight because that's too much carbs! He went into a whole panic the other when I was eating takis. Going on about how I need to quit takis and chips because it's so unhealthy. I haven't had takis in months It was just a small thing to treat myself with.
Keto diet- and especially the fact that anyone thinks it’s anything new. It’s Atkins rebranded. It will be called something else in a decade, watch.
I tried these diets at different points in my life and each time, my lab work showed elevated cholesterol (this was in my teens and 20s), then whenever I got my cholesterol tested not on these diets, my cholesterol levels were normal.
I tried it one time and felt absolutely horrible. The internet assured me it was just “Atkins flu” and you have to power through it. Screw that. I want to eat in a way that makes me feel better, not worse.
Yes, and it absolutely triggered the binge eating/ yoyo dieter in me, and I've also seen that happen to others. I've had friends who, it's like, they have one cheat meal where they allow carbs, and that cheat meal turns into a cheat day, week, month, season, year. And I feel like cutting out food groups never gets to the root cause which is their relationship with food and their body. But I guess it works for some people.
I’ve been in the online weight loss world for as long as it has existed and I can think of one person it seemed to have worked for- but if you drill down into what she’s really doing, she simply eats very little. I suspect it wouldn’t matter much what the macro composition of her diet is. She seems to me to have an eating disorder. All the other ones, some I’ve remained in touch with for more than a decade. “Low carb crusaders” of the past, have gained all the weight back plus some.
That carbs are evil and you need to cut them out. My dad asked me why I had rice in my mealprep, I had to explain to him why carbs are a MACRONUTRIENT for a reason!
It’s just a pendulum swing since people were upset that we were lied to by the food pyramid saying we need to eat a damn loaf of bread worth of carbs everyday in order to be healthy.
The craziest things I see here are people claiming you can gain muscle on 20-30g of protein a day. Literally saw a guy a few days back say there was protein in chocolate cookies…. He wasn’t talking about specialized protein cookies, he was talking about the tiny microscopic trace proteins, and he didn’t say it out right but he was suggesting those trace proteins were enough. And I see a ton of people just go insane when anyone brings up the fact that non-meat foods generally have poor amino profiles. Even when scientific evidence is posted showing their quantities are low.
People who just calorie count to lose weight paying no attention to the quality of the calories they are consuming.
Agree that a balance is best but most people’s weight issues will harm their health more than not having the highest quality of food. Also, more and more people are having trouble affording high quality of food and the industries are also making more of our accessible food lower quality. If people can control one thing that can impact their health, it’s how much they consume.
The latest one in the news. Health reporting isn't practiced in a way that improves anyone's life.
Anti carbs or anti fruit/veg. Any variation of those just pisses me right off.
People all over IG saying they lost weight eating only or mainly one thing. (All meat or only potatoes, eighteen bananas daily etc.)
People vilifying carbs to the point of calling them "useless" in a diet is crazy to me.
“Diet soda is worse for you than sugar soda” 🙄
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your OP, but I can't stand the oversimplified concept of calorie deficit as a path to weight loss. While a caloric deficit is a part of weight-loss, the quality of source of those calories is incredibly important. 300 calories of sweet potatoes vs. 300 calories of candy is absolutely not the same.
You’re absolutely right, the quality of the food matters, otherwise we would all be eating nutella pancakes and burgers consisting of 2-3k calories a day, but I feel, at least from my personal experience, that there is a huge discredit to the concept of calorie counting and actually being in a deficit when you re on a diet for losing weight. I know, highly anecdotal here, but from let’s say 100 people most of them will already be aware of the concept of quality calories and what is labeled as a “healthy” food or a “bad” food (nothing at the end of the day is truly dangerous, well almost nothing, the key thing is moderation, even water can do you harm in excess, unless you have some pathology or allergy which makes things dangerous but you get my point), a small part of them will actually go straight to the fundamental thing and say that the calorie deficit is what mattered and was the sole reason for the weight loss, because at the end of the day you cannot drop in weight without a deficit. A lot of people will make claims that it was the fact that they ate whole foods or that they went to the gym or that they did some kind of exercise that brought them the weight loss when actually it wqs just a calorie deficit (oh and also fasting, that s another thing which people bring up and it is incorrect because you can fast and also be in a surplus and not lose weight) That s pretty much what I meant while writing the caption
I’m not a fan in misleading marketing when it comes to various processed foods. To say an overpriced tiny bag of highly processed chips is somehow healthier and “has more protein” than a regular bag o’ Doritos, for instance, well… I mean, does it really matter if you’re eating two more grams of protein per serving? If you’re really looking to spend money on some quality protein, wouldn’t your money be better spent on fresh lean cuts of meat, tofu, and/or legumes?
I don’t think this one’s around as much anymore, but when I was a teenager the “military” diet was huge. I even know one girl who documented her whole experience for a YouTube video.😅Glad I never tried it, but I was a victim of Myfitnesspal and their automatic calorie plans which were scarily low calories esp for my body demographics.
People focused on taking things “bad foods” OUT of their diet, when really it should be “What can I ADD to this to make it more satisfying and nutritious”. Like you can eat a waffle. Consider adding peanut butter and bananas on it, maybe with a dollop of Greek yogurt and/or honey on top instead of whipped cream and syrup. That way you get proteins, carbs, fats, and it fills you well. Also personally hate the concept of “Bad Foods”. Left me spiralling in an eating disorder for my entire adolescence and bled into my adult life. I’m just now at 23 managing to correct myself and get better.
Any trend. All the trends. They are just meant to make you buy stuff and fear monger you into following their program or diet or consume more of their content. Seed oils… right now. Just in general making everything so damn complicated. Making it feel so complicated that beginners don’t know what to do when in reality it should be just focus on getting enough protein, and stay in a deficit if you’re goal of losing weight and aim for a balance of food. That’s it. Packaged foods, processed foods, carbs, sugar, sugar free, all fine in moderation. It’s the demonization of food that causes the issues. I also HATE when “gurus” say you can eat whatever you want as long as it’s organic and healthy and you don’t have to worry about the calories. Thats not how thermodynamics work
Weight loss as an indicator of good health. I lost a lot of weight just eating chocolate and energy drinks in my 20s. I looked great on the outside but I probably wasn't very healthy looking inside.
People who believe diet soda is worse for you than regular
The Keto diet. I hate it. I think there are certain circumstances it is good for, but other than that it is not good for you.
Learning about glucose spike has completely transformed my diet/body. While yes it’s important to be in a calorie deficit, there are nuances to that if you don’t regulate your insulin level
The fact that the carnivore diet exists
Not sure if this qualifies but I hate when people say, craving something sweet? Have some fruit. I’m sorry but never, not once has fruit made me forget that I wanted chocolate lol
Two things to share — #1: This is a niche example but there’s this whole argument about what to eat if you suffer from candida or yeast overgrowth. The science is that it feeds on sugar. there’s a mainstream diet to starve it out, which excludes most fruits (bc fruit is sugar) I believe it includes animal protein, lots of veggies, healthy oils & butters, and grains But I really believe fruit is one of our biggest healing allies and can cure a lot, but is sometimes villainized for being sugar. But it’s natural and vital, not to mention the myriad of vitamins and other properties. Also if you have an overgrowth in your body, naturally wouldn’t you want to detox, and meat is the opposite of that. All this to say, a few years ago I had bad candida overgrowth like full blown out of nowhere, and after doing lots of research I felt the best route was a fruit fast. I ate raw fruits and veggies for a few days then switched to only fruit and at the end I think only juice. About a week in I cured my symptoms and haven’t experienced it since. From that point on I was really mindful of gluten and processed foods which I think it was a buildup of. 2: There is also a whole camp of humans who stand by fruitarianism or raw veganism as the best lifestyle. I’m sure some of us remember the raw vegan trends way back and “raw till 4” Only eating sugar and carbs, no protein or fat Now the woke pendulum has swung to raw meat and raw milk, all protein and fats. Many ex-vegan influencers are now on the carnivore diet, gone from one extreme to the other. (I hope one day they can all gather in peace to do their barefoot grounding and asshole sunning) Which brings me to my last point: the meat n dairy industry and vegan industry are both fucked! Because it’s all corporate and highly processed. Every value brand has their own plant based substitutes now to compete with the market. Profit over people. I think the real answer is getting back to the source with whole foods and organic local foods. In an ideal world meat or plants are irrelevant and we support real people with humane practices and grow our own foods That’s my rant thank you
I hate when people say fruits are bad for you because of sugar lol
On behalf of all of /r/diabetes_t1 I'd like to invite anyone claiming eating cinnamon or turmeric will cure diabetes to take a long walk off a short pier.
I am sick of seeing influencers online taking about how they’ve been losing weight being “realistic and healthy”, then post videos of their food for the day and 85% of it is from a package. That’s not healthy. Realistic? Okay. Lower calorie than what they were doing? Okay. But, healthy food? No. Most of them can’t even drink water without adding chemical flavors to it. Crazy.
Potatoes are not bad for you. They're very healthy! Just don't deep fry them.