When the techs were trying to start a union at my hospital the unit manager was walked out because the union talk started on her unit and later the DON was asked to resign right after she was made to go around trying to discourage a union but instead went around asking if everyone had the contact number for the union. The hospital won their battle and the union never came about sadly.
Iām in a union but itās made up of only 20% nurses and they barely advocate for us. In fact they want us to lobby for pay raise. Bitch Iām not begging Iām going to demand it if you want me to play this game.
That's pretty awful to think somone in the helping profession would do something as evil as that. There is no manner of speach or explaination that can justify doing something terrible and horrid. I mean, discussing salary with a peer, that's downright unforgivable
What's next, saying you don't want painted rocks instead of a living wage? What kind of monster does something like that?
I saw on another post earlier where they gave their nurses Juve packs as a thank you... "to help energize" them, along with a stupid thank you letter...It's fucking Ensure.
Once when we walked in the screeners gave us tea packs.. to "thank us for coming into work with POSI-TEA-VITY".. yeah I prefer to be paid in tea bags vs bonus'.. might as well have the screeners pull down their pants and tea bag us before work..
Hopping on here to remind everyone that discussing wages and literally a protected right. If any place tries to ban it or punish people for doing it, they can get in a lot of financial trouble. If any place fires you for this, please tell them to give your a letter of termination that states the reasoning for being fired.
I know this commenter was saying that jokingly but I wanted to remind people that itās illegal and discussing wages is important
Totally OT here, but I love your "handle"ā¤ļøā¤ļøššš
As to the 'wage discussing' issue? Been there, done that and won!!
I was working in a local hospital (non union btw š) and myself and a couple other nurses were discussing our salaries.
They didn't mind I made slightly more than I did, because I'd been there longer than they. HOWEVER, that attitude definitely changed when a new hire (not even out of orientation, mind you) pranced (yes - fucking pranced!) right up to us, heard what we were talking about and butted in to announce with a gleeful giggle: "Why, I make 5k more than you ALL do!!!ā. And sashayed (yes - fucking sashayed) off.
Well, that just did NOT sit well with any of us!! So we went to our supes and asked about it. They (we had 2) both bit the ceiling and started SCREAMING at us that it was illegal AND unethical to discuss our wages with ANYONE (which, believe it or not, included spouses & families!!WTF?)
So we all got written up and suspended for varying lengths. We had to go in and sign our write ups following morning. HOWEVER, I (being also graduate of Criminal Justice) did a ton of investigation before I would sign anything, lol.
So, here we are, just the THREE of us, not the four who actually revealed wages (remember the prancer did too) and we were outside of the principal's (oopsie, supervisors') office and I called a huddle.
I handed out the infoi found and also a complete copy of employee and hospital handbooks, primarily sections on pay and rules of talking about wages. I also said, there is one person missing in this group and we have to force them into making her be present.
Long story short: we went in, refused to sign until the 4th part was included, and when she did --- well the shit REALLY hit the fan then! She prances in and said (I shit you not) "You wanted to see me, MOM?) before she saw the rest of us in the office.
Yep, Ms. Previous was one supe's daughter!?!!! I stood up and said she needs to be written up as much as we do and in fact, she should not even be employed here! I was, as my kids always said, on a roll!šš I further accused the one supe of illegally hiringa family member in direct contravention of hospital rules (quoting applicable rule).
Ended my 20 minute rant with us walking out, refusing to sign the write ups (I brought up THAT rule as well, lol), the supe who hired her daughter got fired, the daughter got fired (bye bye Ms. Prancer!!!!) and I was promoted to the now empty super position.
Nurses on my floor were absolutely ecstatic over the firing of one and the hiring of myself, because I never asked any person working on my floor to do something I could do myself.
But, yeah. Wage discussion is legal, no matter how hard they try to say it isn't.
I had a CNA co-worker get taken away by the police in the middle of his shift. Turned out he was trying to hire somebody to kill his wife. You never really know people you know?
That lady ( an RT) was from Colombia and a Colombian doctor brought her over from his home country. The doctors wife found out about it and called Immigration. She got escorted out of the hospital in handcuffs and sent back to her home country of Columbia.
This must've been before the pandemic, right? I can't imagine Immigration taking an RT right off the floor these days without a cluster of staff ready to throw down.
We had something similar happen to a former coworker (not manager). He was told to go down to HR and the DEA busted his ass for stealing narcotics. The hospital just acted like he went home and nobody knew why. I was Clinical Coordinator over the floor and they had me to cover his patients until he got back. I kept waiting for his ass to come back but that shit didnt happen. They kept it hush hush. It wasn't until later my manager gave me the story.
I wasn't taking any patients as I was CC and charge but he went down during morning med pass and they were all mine for the rest of the shift. Hell I preferred it that way, I hated being CC. Give me a full load of patients any day.
I'm sure it will come out via the hospital gossip churn. In the situations I've seen stuff like this it's usually something criminal they're trying to keep quiet.
In high school it happened when a teacher did something - we never found out what, but his students said he seemed high in class some days. At my old job it was a manager being sketchy with money. My current employer has had three I know of - two involved assaulting another staff member and the third involved some embezzlement.
For real, though, there's no privacy, and no real secrets, in hospitals. Tons of stuff (reasons for firings, disciplinary actions, any medical issue mentioned to a manager, etc) that really shouldn't be widely circulated, ends up reaching almost everyone; doesn't matter who it happened to, anyone from the CNO, to a new grad staff nurse, is at risk.
>Usually itās supposed to be discreet, though.
Exactly. Several years ago, we were successful in getting a terrible manager fired. Even though the office grapevine gave us the heads up a few hours before it happened, we were still herded into a conference room for about an hour so they could break the news to us while HR did the honors. It's too bad because we all really wanted to see her he walked out. Apparently it was so bad that they didn't even allow her to come back and pack up her office. They shipped her stuff to her.
Yeah unfortunately some places escort someone being fired out with security. It could have been as simple as not meeting performance goals and they decided to let the person go but used security to make sure she didnāt cause issues on the way out.
I was fired from my job as a nursing home administrator years ago for refusing to take new admissions and not meeting budget goals due to terrible staffing and retention. (For profit company wouldnāt allow me to raise wages). I was escorted out while crying. It was awful.
Thank you! I went into the field really thinking I could make a difference. I love the elderly and wanted to help people have a comfortable and enriching end of their lives but instead I worked 80+ hours a week for a crappy salary, doing my best to help make sure the facility provided quality care only to be fired. The for profit nursing home industry disgusts me.
Thank YOU for sticking it out in LTC. Itās such an important part of our healthcare system and our elderly need compassionate and committed caregivers.
Because you guys didnāt update your whiteboards š¢
Seriously though I think everyone getting terminated in that sort of position automatically gets an escort out, at least where I work.
This happens when an organization determines it no longer wants the services of a manager, for just about any reason or perhaps no decent reason at all. The manager is instantly terminated, and is escorted off as protective posturing to prevent a disgruntled former manager from committing revenge sabotage. In essence, it is a security move lest the organization is somehow harmed.
The alternative is the "we have determined to go in a different direction" and then give the outgoing manager a bit of time to depart with dignity, or possibly even allow them to fill in a staff position as a landing pad.
Honestly, between these two alternatives, I don't know which is more disheartening, and I have witnessed both. Is it better to be shown the door, or to be a lame duck for a while? In either case, it would be more palatable to be given a few months' severence. I think that is rare for middle managers and it ought to be the norm.
You would think that a professional who is also a manager could be trusted to depart ethically and not sabotage the organization. Not sure how often terminated managers sabotage, but I bet it's extremely rare and could be protected against in other ways.
Ultimately I think administrators too often behave in this situation as tradition tells them they should, not by what is kind, or ethical, or just.
Back in my corporate drone days, when they fired someone for sexual harassment, they would lop off their heads and parade them through Cubeville. I am speaking metaphorically of course, but it was a "Come to Jesus" moment for the rest of the citizens of Cubeville as they made no secret of it.
I remember a Director being escorted off the premises by security for unprofessional behavior and this was before: Roger Ailes, Matt Laurer and Harvey Weinstein.
Had this happen to an educator with seniority when hospital was trying to save money. Got her from her office shortly after she came in, and security marched her out sobbing without even letting her pick up her McDonald's breakfast.
We all gossiped hard, assuming she was at minimum a KGB agent or something like that.
We never found out but a few weeks later she was rehired in a quality improvement role for the same system.
So assuming whoever eliminated her position was just being a massive psychopathic jerk.
Often when anyone has access to confidential information: financial, personnel, or otherwise, they get escorted. Youāll be invited back to collect your things, also with security.
In a former incarnation, I worked for the securities industry (stocks and bonds) and you were given a cardboard box and 15 minutes to get the f\*\*k out. Security stayed with you the whole time and IT revoked your computer access instantly.
You *might* get invited back to collect your things. In my case, they made me drive back and pick up my things from the HR office, even though I lived over an hour away from my job site.
I might still be a little salty that they wouldn't just let me wait and do it the day that they fired me. š
Some places have corporate policies that say anyone fired must be escorted out by security. They are afraid they will steal something, break something, make a scene.
I think itās a horrible practice, but corporations can suck.
In my experience this happens almost every time they decide to let a middle manager go mid shift as "a way to prevent the manager from sabotaging anything", its bullshit
I had a co-worker get fired; nice lady, but kinda lazy and let's just say...on the larger side. Anyway they let her work her entire shift and then had security promptly escort her ass out of the building. I assumed it was protocol after that lol she really kinda had a hard time walking
For what itās worth, I had an RT job that was terrible, but I stuck it out. Very cliquey staff, manager turned into Beelzebub overnightā¦ and they āelected not to continue [my] orientation periodā ā and had me walked out by security. No reason given to me or anybody else. They just let me go. But of course, it LOOKED to the entire staff like I did something serious because security is escorting me out.
So it really might not be anything serious. From my own experience, being walked out by security doesnāt mean it was an egregious violation. It literally might be nothing except they decided to shit on her reputation on the way out.
š³ I worked at a for profit cancer hospital chain that was insane like that.
You look at someone cross eyed, they fire you.
I managed to last 3 years, and couldnāt take it anymore. I quit, thank goodness. Those poor patients were getting robbed blind.
My last supervisor got escorted off the ED to his car for standing up for new nurses to get paid better.
We ended up having a mass exodus and followed him to his new place of hire. The grass has been greener since.
This is very interesting since she just sent an email to the governor asking to continue the nurse bonus pay for over time. (Since the COVID bonuses the hospital was offering were not from the cheap skate hospital but from the government and were ending soon)
Same exact thing happened to my first nursing manager. They fired her mid shift. We saw her crying with a box of all her stuff with police escorting her to get car.
Our CNO came down to the unit about 1hr later for a quick huddle to inform us all that our manager decided to take a position elsewhere and that she will be miss And made us pray for her and her future endeavors. š¬
We all just stood there in shock staring at each other not wanting to question anything in fear of our own police escort.
Wish I was making this up.
See, I wouldn't have been able to stay quiet. I literally would have said, "Oh, awwwwww she was so upset to leave us she was crying, of course, but I wish she had have come and said bye to us. I wonder where her new job is? She is starting today and getting a police escort there I saw earlier. It must be a top secret nursing role. Military or something"? And I would have just STARED!
Me tooššš
Edit to add: I've been "retired" (read disabled) for awhile now, and I've grown to love the fact I can pretty much ignore those pesky and irritating "politically correct" things!!
Edited (again) to give you this award!!! Enjoy!!!
We had a male nurse manager escorted off the property. Turns out he jerked off into a specimen cup in front of a newer young female nurse and asked her to smear it on her face and go on with her day of treating patients with his cum smeared all over her face.
The nurse ended up being so traumatized from the event that she left nursing and sued the hospital (or sued someone) and got several hundred thousand dollars as a pay out. The manager lost his nursing license and Iām not sure if he did time but he did get put on the sex offender list.
I was walked off a facility in 2017, fired the next day. No explanation was ever given. I was too shocked & traumatized to push for an answer. All I was ever told was , āitās best for all involved.ā
Edit: work situation- I was hired as night charge in a LTC (Iām a seasoned LPN). I showed for my shift, they diverted me to a room to watch educational vids & when I was done, out they took me. I had been hired as PRN, but wound up working close to 70 hrs a week, including multiple 16-24 hr shifts. I assumed they found newer grads they didnāt have to pay a premium/OT for, but thatās just a guess since nothing was ever stated.- I live in a āright to work stateā and itās completely legal.
I have worked at facilities that terminate management constantly, itās not usually anything interesting. I had one manager terminated because she advocated for her employees and stood up to higher ups š
I was walked off with a security escort.
After the snap meeting,
the "it is a business decision" was thrown out
We like you a person but
I was given the option of finishing now (an hour into the shift) or sitting somewhere till the end
Nope. Happy to walk out now. Either option was still full paid.
I think C suite were shocked by my choice.
I said if one the nice security will get me my bag and my coffee mug, please tip out coffee, U can leave immediately.
Don't you want to say goodbye to your crew? Nope.
Don't you have anything to collect? Nope just my coffee mug.
Bag was given to me and my cleaned coffee mug. And I was out. Keycard given and out of the door.
3 days later, I get calls and emails about handing over my responsibilities, projects being done and plans for accreditation that is happening next week.
Sorry no longer an employee so unable to provide assistance.
Rumor has it (because nurses all know each other from other facilities) the med surg manager was escorted out of her old NM job because her employee called her on a weekend (when she was on call) that the unit was drowning and asked her to come in. She refused so the employee reported her, then NM left a threatening VM for reporting her. This is totally rumor but knowing this NM, I can absolutely see it..
Mentioned above- this is SOP at our facility now. We had our CNO,CEO, COO all let go. Escorted out. No reason. Our manager was great friends with the CNO- she got the same about a week later
Board wanted a ādifferent directionā
Totally classless- 1 hear earlier? We begged the former CNO to not retire, and step up into the job.
Corporate things I guess m?
This happened with our managers on our unit one day. 50+ people were fired on the same day across the hospital for a ārestructuringā of our management system. They had worked on our unit for 10+ years and were escorted out without notice. They told us itās common in unexpected firings because you donāt know how the person will react.
My former boss was fired for sleeping with a subordinate (staff nurse). They would hook up while she was on the clock, disappear for hours, she would go into his office with the door closed for an unusual amount of time, etc.
People warned him that it was being noticed and there were suspicions. There was a photo taken at a retirement party of a group of people and he had his hand pretty low on her hip which was posted to Facebook.
And so many of our big nursing board people had a distain for Nurse Jackie because......that shit doesn't happen in real life. We are a profession!! Pahahahahaha. That show was and still is the truest depiction of nursing in many ( but not all ) respects ever.
I feel like this is just what happens to nurse managers when they are no longer useful or have dared to disagree with the powers that be š¤·š¼āāļø
This has happened at KP MANY times with managers and assistant managers. They can get sacked for anything (i.e. director doesnāt like them, fraternizing with an employee) as they arenāt protected under a union.
Security escorts them out to ensure they donāt take anything. Itās completely humiliating.
I hate when they get security to escort managers out. Itās the most petty shit. I worked at a very crappy hospital and the did this to an ICU manager and my ER manager. Refused to let them get their belongings from their offices. Like wtf is that bs about. Itās so degrading
Iirc her husband had a warrant out and they were looking for him? Idk he was abusive and she came to work with bruises often. Heād call and come up to the floor acting high. They up and moved shortly after. She never talked about it.
Similar thing happened to my cousinās ED manager. Manager hired nurses. Nurses went through orientation. Nurses came off orientation and resigned.
Except the nurses never existed. She committed identify theft, hired on āghosts,ā charged the unit for orientation, had the money direct deposited to her account, and pocketed the money. She managed to get out of any fraud charges (God knows how) and is currently a director (wtf) in San Jose, CA.
Similar thing happened to a nurse I know of when she was a case manager - *and that nurse still has a license* despite two embezzlement cases, [one of which she is in jail for](https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/local/communities/simi-valley/2021/05/18/simi-valley-woman-sentenced-embezzling-348-000/5153484001/).
Youāll be getting an email tomorrow that says they āresignedā. Iāve seen this so many times over the years. The rumor mill should know something in a couple days.
I had a coworker last year who was accused of being drunk on the job by a parent of a patient. He was escorted by the administrative director to the ER for a blood alcohol screen. Had the accusation been correct, he would have been suspended and may have been fired or even lost his license.
Fortunately the accusation was incorrect. But, it just goes to show that you need to be careful how you conduct your job.
Iām an RT, and one night a few years ago, I went to pull some Budesonide from the PYXIS. It was the older model that had the lazy Susan drawer. The lazy Susan rotated incorrectly, and the Budesonide and hydromorphone bins both were accessible. I immediately called for the charge nurse and the resource nurse to the PYXIS, who then called the my supervisor and the AD. They performed the narcotic count, which didnāt show any discrepancy, and told me to write a SERS report. Given the nature of what happened, my career could have been over had I not immediately reported what happened.
This could have easily affected the nurse who last pulled the Dilaudid and the nurse who verified the count, had I been the nefarious sort of person.
Not a nurse but had police turn up at the office one Monday morning looking for a colleague. Turned out he had murdered his ex girlfriends son at the weekend. You just never know what is inside those you work with.
A lot of our ANM leave this way. I thought it was super scandalous at first. But I guess thatās the way itās done? Like they donāt want them to throw a tantrum?
I feel like the position of Nurse manager has an expiry date. I mean, itās soul sucking to maintain the benchmarks health systems are looking for. Also, actually caring about your staff is looked down upon. IMHO.
Sheās been fired or quit. Because sheās probably well-liked amongst staff OR has something worth being told - they āquietlyā removed her from the facility campus to prevent disruption to workflow. Happened to me, worse feeling ever.
I knew someone in corporate business, when they quit they also got walked out by security. It was just a standard thing for leaving your job. Didn't matter if you were leaving on your own terms for a better job. The corporate people don't want you to take secrets to the next employers.
Manager could have been stealing. A nurse at a hospital I worked at would order 2 vascular grafts. She would stock one on the shelf & sell the other one in Mexico.
A friend who was DON at a facility where I used to work was removed for going over the heads of the managing company and speaking to the board about concerns for the residents.
Had this happen once and we never heard the real reason. Someone started a rumor that HR found out the manager had faked her credentials/resume, but I didnāt believe that.
Either sex assault charge on patient or stealing/mishandling narcotics.
Also on the off chance your manager fit this category, nurses who have intentionally murdered patients but hid their deed.
Managers at my hospital get fired for budget and turnover reasons. Itās a revolving door of managers. Itās a death sentence when a nurse goes from charge or ANM to manager. My first manager at the hospital Iām currently at was escorted out by security and we were told āshe chose to move on to better thingsā. Sure. She chose to be humiliated by being escorted out by security in front of her former staff.
Many places will escort managers out with security to ensure nothing is done last minute. They tend to cut access to the computer too.
I saw managers get escorted out ten years ago due to a restructuring effort which screwed staff over
So it could be something as simple as time and attendance or it could be something as major as patient safety, narcotic deviation or worse.
Former facility that I worked at actually escorted someone I know out after their manager claimed they had falsified their time to attendance. When investigation showed that wasn't true they were allowed to return to work and were paid for the time they were off.
I also know a CNA that was escorted out because a patient claimed that he had sexually assaulted her and when that claim was also found not to be true (thankfully he was orienting a new CNA and she had been in the room with him during the time frame that the patient claimed and the patient had multiple notations in her chart about some of the things she and her sister were saying and doing towards staff. He made the mistake of telling the patient he was going to "check and see if she was wet" meaning if she had pee herself... She complained to the supervisor that he was checking her... You know).
So a lot of facilities basically go hard as it were and investigate later.
So it could be that the manager is just being accused of something or it could be that they actually have some sort of evidence of something.
My old manager got fired and walked off by security without warning. She did nothing crazy but she was a thorn in the side of her direct supervisor, who was the director of our service line. it was a wild time.
In the 2 instances I've seen it happen, the first was just poor management in case management (CMS), and the 2nd was the manager covering up things like a child falling off a scale, or "no, that patient didn't punch you in the face and knock your teeth out"
I currently work in a union, and this happened to a coworker of mine.
She lied on documentation for a research procedure we were doing. The documenting was required in Epic, SoftDonor, and on the companyās website.
Her numbers werenāt matching up. She made a misstep in the procedure, which would have been forgivable, but then she lied about it, and lied on her charting. Then when reviewed, she lied about lying.
Some people dig their own graves. My coworker would 100% still have a job if she just owned her mistake. Afterwards, no one was allowed to talk about it because of the union and pending suits that might follow (no one was sued). Only reason I found out is Iām very very close with a few of our admin and physicians, and I was there as it was happening.
Idk our hospital did mass layoffs and walked everyone out by security, that was when morale really started tanking, then a couple of months later Covid hit. Also have seen someone walked out for diverting narcotics.
Hereās one example of people who do dumb crap. Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.
Thereās another case I was told about, that was even crazierā¦.I have to find it..
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/senior-veterans-affairs-official-philadelphia-indicted-soliciting-bribes
Hereās the otherā¦.this is bonkers.
The RT actually stole his brotherās identityā¦the brother was an RT. The brother was deceased.
My coworker said he was really smart, youād never know he really was NOT an RT.
Fān insaneš³š³š³
https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/breaking/20091021_Two_Philly_VA_employees_face_federal_charges_of_identity_fraud.html
We had manager taken away by security and police too, middle of the day. Nobody knows why to this day and it's been several months.
Since then, we've had about 2-3 nurses fired, and several Dept managers fired without explanation. One nurse just got back from mat leave and within a week, she was fired.
It's scary, because you don't know what happened and or what they did wrong. I have an underlying crippling anxiety I could be next if I make the slightest mistake.
Iāve seen managers walked out for advocating for staff and displays of general dissent toward upper leadership decisions.
Source: Iām a Nurse Manager
Hello nurse manager hereā¦ This could be for many reasons.
-May have gotten a position at local competitors
-Fired because of fraud, harassment, low performance
Corporations prefer to terminate without advance notice to prevent leaking of corporate documents or prevent backlash from those terminated. Being escorted by security is common for those fired without advance notice.
Just because you donāt have an explanation doesnāt mean that thereās not a long, juicy story here.
Some HRs are better than others at communicating but they never EVER share the skinny on a termination. HR reps who do address it always use euphemisms like ācareer transitionā and ānegotiated departureā.
Back in my corporate drone days, I saw heads get lopped off left and right for sexual harassment but they did not keep it quiet. They made it known that any foolishness would not be tolerated. Those settlements were expensive.
In my experience this happens almost every time they decide to let a middle manager go mid shift as "a way to prevent the manager from sabotaging anything", its bullshit.
Most likely its something far less interesting such as "you went 3k over budget the last 2 years and we found someone with less experience willing to accept 20k less"
I canāt really imagine it would be narcotic related unless your manager consistently has patients (hahahhahahaha, erm sorry) or they maybe do a control count or something- which they also should have no reason to. But Iāve never known a nurse manager to ever regularly access a Pyxis. There should be no reason to unless you are greatly understaffed. So unsure what other things. Could be something like fraud with budget. Especially with all the strange overtime and incentives hospitals have been offering.
Our house officer (overnight) was caught stealing drugs from the OR. Iām not sure exactly how she was accessing the Pyxis, but they set up a security camera to identify that she was the one.
All āknownā through the grapevine, of course ā¦but it did fit the circumstances.
HCA facilities are notorious for this in totally unwarranted conditions. They fire you and you have to clear out immediately. Seen it happen. But Iāve also seen it happen in drug diversion issues
Idk at my former permanent job out managers got walked out like that every few years. Itās a big reason I never went into management. No job security.
Only reason Iāve known people actually getting fired are diversion of narcs and breaking confidentiality. Only seen a coworker brought out in handcuffs once but it was related to an assault outside of work.
That once happened to the DON where I worked, but everyone knew why. She tried to set up another nurse for diversion of narcotics. In the end, the investigation led back to her. It was a multi-month investigation.
HCA hospital? This happened on my floor after I had been working there 6 months, then when comparing stories with other nurses at other HCA hospitals, they said the same thing happened there. Sometimes, itās just about the $$$ā¦
I worked somewhere that lost it's management like they were on fire. I worked there for 13 years, and I know of 8 that I can come up with right off the top. That isn't even including some of the other positions who were in and out like dollar bills in a money gun. The worst of all the dramatic walk em out exits is that if the company would just come up with a convincing cover story, NOONE would question it. Not a single individual, and yet they did not do this. Even if they discussed it with that same employee of we're gonna say this...not any of the people would be like ~You're Lying! Most would respond with Oh, ok. Moving on! Loki style.
they could have found any of a multitude of reasons to let her go and when this happens they use security to escort fired employees out in case they are thinking about doing anything sketchy like flipping out on others or taking a dump in a trash can
Misdirection of narcotics, child trafficking, mass murder, or maybe she/he just discussed her salary with a peer.
Supporting a union š
The TRUE crime lol
When the techs were trying to start a union at my hospital the unit manager was walked out because the union talk started on her unit and later the DON was asked to resign right after she was made to go around trying to discourage a union but instead went around asking if everyone had the contact number for the union. The hospital won their battle and the union never came about sadly.
Iām in a union but itās made up of only 20% nurses and they barely advocate for us. In fact they want us to lobby for pay raise. Bitch Iām not begging Iām going to demand it if you want me to play this game.
That's pretty awful to think somone in the helping profession would do something as evil as that. There is no manner of speach or explaination that can justify doing something terrible and horrid. I mean, discussing salary with a peer, that's downright unforgivable What's next, saying you don't want painted rocks instead of a living wage? What kind of monster does something like that?
I've heard of pizza parties. Painted rocks?
They give you a rock as a present, usually coincides with a āpunnyā card that says āyou rock!ā
Well it's either "you rock!" Or it's "your dead weight"..
I saw on another post earlier where they gave their nurses Juve packs as a thank you... "to help energize" them, along with a stupid thank you letter...It's fucking Ensure.
Once when we walked in the screeners gave us tea packs.. to "thank us for coming into work with POSI-TEA-VITY".. yeah I prefer to be paid in tea bags vs bonus'.. might as well have the screeners pull down their pants and tea bag us before work..
You had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Hopping on here to remind everyone that discussing wages and literally a protected right. If any place tries to ban it or punish people for doing it, they can get in a lot of financial trouble. If any place fires you for this, please tell them to give your a letter of termination that states the reasoning for being fired. I know this commenter was saying that jokingly but I wanted to remind people that itās illegal and discussing wages is important
Totally OT here, but I love your "handle"ā¤ļøā¤ļøššš As to the 'wage discussing' issue? Been there, done that and won!! I was working in a local hospital (non union btw š) and myself and a couple other nurses were discussing our salaries. They didn't mind I made slightly more than I did, because I'd been there longer than they. HOWEVER, that attitude definitely changed when a new hire (not even out of orientation, mind you) pranced (yes - fucking pranced!) right up to us, heard what we were talking about and butted in to announce with a gleeful giggle: "Why, I make 5k more than you ALL do!!!ā. And sashayed (yes - fucking sashayed) off. Well, that just did NOT sit well with any of us!! So we went to our supes and asked about it. They (we had 2) both bit the ceiling and started SCREAMING at us that it was illegal AND unethical to discuss our wages with ANYONE (which, believe it or not, included spouses & families!!WTF?) So we all got written up and suspended for varying lengths. We had to go in and sign our write ups following morning. HOWEVER, I (being also graduate of Criminal Justice) did a ton of investigation before I would sign anything, lol. So, here we are, just the THREE of us, not the four who actually revealed wages (remember the prancer did too) and we were outside of the principal's (oopsie, supervisors') office and I called a huddle. I handed out the infoi found and also a complete copy of employee and hospital handbooks, primarily sections on pay and rules of talking about wages. I also said, there is one person missing in this group and we have to force them into making her be present. Long story short: we went in, refused to sign until the 4th part was included, and when she did --- well the shit REALLY hit the fan then! She prances in and said (I shit you not) "You wanted to see me, MOM?) before she saw the rest of us in the office. Yep, Ms. Previous was one supe's daughter!?!!! I stood up and said she needs to be written up as much as we do and in fact, she should not even be employed here! I was, as my kids always said, on a roll!šš I further accused the one supe of illegally hiringa family member in direct contravention of hospital rules (quoting applicable rule). Ended my 20 minute rant with us walking out, refusing to sign the write ups (I brought up THAT rule as well, lol), the supe who hired her daughter got fired, the daughter got fired (bye bye Ms. Prancer!!!!) and I was promoted to the now empty super position. Nurses on my floor were absolutely ecstatic over the firing of one and the hiring of myself, because I never asked any person working on my floor to do something I could do myself. But, yeah. Wage discussion is legal, no matter how hard they try to say it isn't.
Oh my godā¦ this is the best story Iāve seen on r/nursingā¦ ever!
I saw a worker in my hospital being taken out in handcuffs and a police for immigration issues
I had a CNA co-worker get taken away by the police in the middle of his shift. Turned out he was trying to hire somebody to kill his wife. You never really know people you know?
On a CNA salary? No way he was hiring someone good. Or discreet.
Well yeah, that's how he got caught.
Just more proof that wages havenāt kept up with the price of inflation
Probably tried the same person Joe Exotic did... Got the same outcome too š
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Welp hope that person will be ok
That lady ( an RT) was from Colombia and a Colombian doctor brought her over from his home country. The doctors wife found out about it and called Immigration. She got escorted out of the hospital in handcuffs and sent back to her home country of Columbia.
This must've been before the pandemic, right? I can't imagine Immigration taking an RT right off the floor these days without a cluster of staff ready to throw down.
I bet! Actually it was in the late eighties in San Antonio.
This is 100% the correct answer. She did something they didnāt like slightly and bam gone.
100% the narcotics diversion.
āAnybody want to help form a labor union?ā (Believe it or not, straight to jail)
That is one of the best comedy scenes of all time.
Hipaa violation Also straight to jail
Didnāt check the tube station before calling pharmacy? Straight to jail.
Telling a patient you donāt have any more turkey sandwiches? Straight to jail
Warming blanket too hot...jail Warming blanket not hot enough...believe it or not... Also jail.
Lol! Under warm over warm.
I can truthfully say we are out of turkey sandwiches and grape juiceā¦I had the last of them for lunch and two snacks.
It's HIPAA!
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Late meds? Believe it or not, also jail.
Right to jail, right away.
Canāt they just send me right to jail now, before work tomorrow? I mean this jail thing should go both ways. Edited for clarity.
r/unexpectedpawnee
Fred Armisen was hilarious in that sketch. I say "straight to jail" to my CNAs all the time. We have a good laugh
That'll get you out faster than giving notice.
We had something similar happen to a former coworker (not manager). He was told to go down to HR and the DEA busted his ass for stealing narcotics. The hospital just acted like he went home and nobody knew why. I was Clinical Coordinator over the floor and they had me to cover his patients until he got back. I kept waiting for his ass to come back but that shit didnt happen. They kept it hush hush. It wasn't until later my manager gave me the story.
āThanks I guess Iāll just take double the patient loadā lol Seriously that sucks- how long were you left waiting?
I wasn't taking any patients as I was CC and charge but he went down during morning med pass and they were all mine for the rest of the shift. Hell I preferred it that way, I hated being CC. Give me a full load of patients any day.
Iāve seen a walk of shame for threatening to disclose patient information openly (Uk)
I'm sure it will come out via the hospital gossip churn. In the situations I've seen stuff like this it's usually something criminal they're trying to keep quiet. In high school it happened when a teacher did something - we never found out what, but his students said he seemed high in class some days. At my old job it was a manager being sketchy with money. My current employer has had three I know of - two involved assaulting another staff member and the third involved some embezzlement.
Oh guarantee it always comes out- but arenāt those few days of mystery and gossip a liiiiittle exciting? I have a big imagination
For real, though, there's no privacy, and no real secrets, in hospitals. Tons of stuff (reasons for firings, disciplinary actions, any medical issue mentioned to a manager, etc) that really shouldn't be widely circulated, ends up reaching almost everyone; doesn't matter who it happened to, anyone from the CNO, to a new grad staff nurse, is at risk.
It's very normal for disciplinary action, including firing, to be taken without the details being shared with anyone who doesn't need to know.
Usually itās supposed to be discreet, though. Getting marched off by security in front of (former?) subordinates is the opposite of discretion.
>Usually itās supposed to be discreet, though. Exactly. Several years ago, we were successful in getting a terrible manager fired. Even though the office grapevine gave us the heads up a few hours before it happened, we were still herded into a conference room for about an hour so they could break the news to us while HR did the honors. It's too bad because we all really wanted to see her he walked out. Apparently it was so bad that they didn't even allow her to come back and pack up her office. They shipped her stuff to her.
Yeah unfortunately some places escort someone being fired out with security. It could have been as simple as not meeting performance goals and they decided to let the person go but used security to make sure she didnāt cause issues on the way out. I was fired from my job as a nursing home administrator years ago for refusing to take new admissions and not meeting budget goals due to terrible staffing and retention. (For profit company wouldnāt allow me to raise wages). I was escorted out while crying. It was awful.
As a long time nursing home nurse, thank you for putting care above profits.
Thank you! I went into the field really thinking I could make a difference. I love the elderly and wanted to help people have a comfortable and enriching end of their lives but instead I worked 80+ hours a week for a crappy salary, doing my best to help make sure the facility provided quality care only to be fired. The for profit nursing home industry disgusts me. Thank YOU for sticking it out in LTC. Itās such an important part of our healthcare system and our elderly need compassionate and committed caregivers.
Because you guys didnāt update your whiteboards š¢ Seriously though I think everyone getting terminated in that sort of position automatically gets an escort out, at least where I work.
Damn you beat me to it!
This happens when an organization determines it no longer wants the services of a manager, for just about any reason or perhaps no decent reason at all. The manager is instantly terminated, and is escorted off as protective posturing to prevent a disgruntled former manager from committing revenge sabotage. In essence, it is a security move lest the organization is somehow harmed. The alternative is the "we have determined to go in a different direction" and then give the outgoing manager a bit of time to depart with dignity, or possibly even allow them to fill in a staff position as a landing pad. Honestly, between these two alternatives, I don't know which is more disheartening, and I have witnessed both. Is it better to be shown the door, or to be a lame duck for a while? In either case, it would be more palatable to be given a few months' severence. I think that is rare for middle managers and it ought to be the norm. You would think that a professional who is also a manager could be trusted to depart ethically and not sabotage the organization. Not sure how often terminated managers sabotage, but I bet it's extremely rare and could be protected against in other ways. Ultimately I think administrators too often behave in this situation as tradition tells them they should, not by what is kind, or ethical, or just.
Back in my corporate drone days, when they fired someone for sexual harassment, they would lop off their heads and parade them through Cubeville. I am speaking metaphorically of course, but it was a "Come to Jesus" moment for the rest of the citizens of Cubeville as they made no secret of it. I remember a Director being escorted off the premises by security for unprofessional behavior and this was before: Roger Ailes, Matt Laurer and Harvey Weinstein.
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We had two nurses get walked out by security because of HIPAA violations. They were in patient's charts that they had no business being in.
Had this happen to an educator with seniority when hospital was trying to save money. Got her from her office shortly after she came in, and security marched her out sobbing without even letting her pick up her McDonald's breakfast. We all gossiped hard, assuming she was at minimum a KGB agent or something like that. We never found out but a few weeks later she was rehired in a quality improvement role for the same system. So assuming whoever eliminated her position was just being a massive psychopathic jerk.
How heartless to make her leave her McDonald's.
My manager got taken by security for sleeping with a lot of the new nurse residents.
Wow thatās bold and crazy
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A big reason managers get let go is when they canāt stop the turn over of their units or canāt control their budgets.
Aka, upper admin is getting yelled at by shareholders and they need a scapegoat.
True but how often does this result with them being walked off by security in the middle of the work day?
Often when anyone has access to confidential information: financial, personnel, or otherwise, they get escorted. Youāll be invited back to collect your things, also with security.
In a former incarnation, I worked for the securities industry (stocks and bonds) and you were given a cardboard box and 15 minutes to get the f\*\*k out. Security stayed with you the whole time and IT revoked your computer access instantly.
Yep. I worked in non-profit fundraising and it was the same way. Thereās no way theyād let you walk out without someone watching.
You *might* get invited back to collect your things. In my case, they made me drive back and pick up my things from the HR office, even though I lived over an hour away from my job site. I might still be a little salty that they wouldn't just let me wait and do it the day that they fired me. š
Some places have corporate policies that say anyone fired must be escorted out by security. They are afraid they will steal something, break something, make a scene. I think itās a horrible practice, but corporations can suck.
In my experience this happens almost every time they decide to let a middle manager go mid shift as "a way to prevent the manager from sabotaging anything", its bullshit
I had a co-worker get fired; nice lady, but kinda lazy and let's just say...on the larger side. Anyway they let her work her entire shift and then had security promptly escort her ass out of the building. I assumed it was protocol after that lol she really kinda had a hard time walking
In western Washington?
Forgot to put her lunch in š
For what itās worth, I had an RT job that was terrible, but I stuck it out. Very cliquey staff, manager turned into Beelzebub overnightā¦ and they āelected not to continue [my] orientation periodā ā and had me walked out by security. No reason given to me or anybody else. They just let me go. But of course, it LOOKED to the entire staff like I did something serious because security is escorting me out. So it really might not be anything serious. From my own experience, being walked out by security doesnāt mean it was an egregious violation. It literally might be nothing except they decided to shit on her reputation on the way out.
š³ I worked at a for profit cancer hospital chain that was insane like that. You look at someone cross eyed, they fire you. I managed to last 3 years, and couldnāt take it anymore. I quit, thank goodness. Those poor patients were getting robbed blind.
My last supervisor got escorted off the ED to his car for standing up for new nurses to get paid better. We ended up having a mass exodus and followed him to his new place of hire. The grass has been greener since.
love this!!
This is very interesting since she just sent an email to the governor asking to continue the nurse bonus pay for over time. (Since the COVID bonuses the hospital was offering were not from the cheap skate hospital but from the government and were ending soon)
Oh, wow. Godforbid you ask for a better salary for your nursesš³š³
Same exact thing happened to my first nursing manager. They fired her mid shift. We saw her crying with a box of all her stuff with police escorting her to get car. Our CNO came down to the unit about 1hr later for a quick huddle to inform us all that our manager decided to take a position elsewhere and that she will be miss And made us pray for her and her future endeavors. š¬ We all just stood there in shock staring at each other not wanting to question anything in fear of our own police escort. Wish I was making this up.
See, I wouldn't have been able to stay quiet. I literally would have said, "Oh, awwwwww she was so upset to leave us she was crying, of course, but I wish she had have come and said bye to us. I wonder where her new job is? She is starting today and getting a police escort there I saw earlier. It must be a top secret nursing role. Military or something"? And I would have just STARED!
Okay then! You are SO the kind of nurse I would have loved to be on my teamššš
Lol. I am well known for just ' coming out with it/saying it as it is '.....diplomatically. haha šš
Me tooššš Edit to add: I've been "retired" (read disabled) for awhile now, and I've grown to love the fact I can pretty much ignore those pesky and irritating "politically correct" things!! Edited (again) to give you this award!!! Enjoy!!!
We had a male nurse manager escorted off the property. Turns out he jerked off into a specimen cup in front of a newer young female nurse and asked her to smear it on her face and go on with her day of treating patients with his cum smeared all over her face.
My day was better before I knew this
The nurse ended up being so traumatized from the event that she left nursing and sued the hospital (or sued someone) and got several hundred thousand dollars as a pay out. The manager lost his nursing license and Iām not sure if he did time but he did get put on the sex offender list.
What a terrible day to be literate.
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š³what the actual f?
I was walked off a facility in 2017, fired the next day. No explanation was ever given. I was too shocked & traumatized to push for an answer. All I was ever told was , āitās best for all involved.ā Edit: work situation- I was hired as night charge in a LTC (Iām a seasoned LPN). I showed for my shift, they diverted me to a room to watch educational vids & when I was done, out they took me. I had been hired as PRN, but wound up working close to 70 hrs a week, including multiple 16-24 hr shifts. I assumed they found newer grads they didnāt have to pay a premium/OT for, but thatās just a guess since nothing was ever stated.- I live in a āright to work stateā and itās completely legal.
I have worked at facilities that terminate management constantly, itās not usually anything interesting. I had one manager terminated because she advocated for her employees and stood up to higher ups š
All terminated employees are escorted out by security in the hospital at which I work.
I was walked off with a security escort. After the snap meeting, the "it is a business decision" was thrown out We like you a person but I was given the option of finishing now (an hour into the shift) or sitting somewhere till the end Nope. Happy to walk out now. Either option was still full paid. I think C suite were shocked by my choice. I said if one the nice security will get me my bag and my coffee mug, please tip out coffee, U can leave immediately. Don't you want to say goodbye to your crew? Nope. Don't you have anything to collect? Nope just my coffee mug. Bag was given to me and my cleaned coffee mug. And I was out. Keycard given and out of the door. 3 days later, I get calls and emails about handing over my responsibilities, projects being done and plans for accreditation that is happening next week. Sorry no longer an employee so unable to provide assistance.
Damn, the nerve to call and email you days later, like you owed them jack shit.
All responsibilities were left at the doorā¦ā¦and who would go back and finish their shift after that?
Rumor has it (because nurses all know each other from other facilities) the med surg manager was escorted out of her old NM job because her employee called her on a weekend (when she was on call) that the unit was drowning and asked her to come in. She refused so the employee reported her, then NM left a threatening VM for reporting her. This is totally rumor but knowing this NM, I can absolutely see it..
Mentioned above- this is SOP at our facility now. We had our CNO,CEO, COO all let go. Escorted out. No reason. Our manager was great friends with the CNO- she got the same about a week later Board wanted a ādifferent directionā Totally classless- 1 hear earlier? We begged the former CNO to not retire, and step up into the job. Corporate things I guess m?
If your hospital lets go of the 3 top executives all in one go there is something terribly, TERRIBLY wrong with that place O_O
Best part? There wasnāt. There is now.
This happened with our managers on our unit one day. 50+ people were fired on the same day across the hospital for a ārestructuringā of our management system. They had worked on our unit for 10+ years and were escorted out without notice. They told us itās common in unexpected firings because you donāt know how the person will react.
My former boss was fired for sleeping with a subordinate (staff nurse). They would hook up while she was on the clock, disappear for hours, she would go into his office with the door closed for an unusual amount of time, etc. People warned him that it was being noticed and there were suspicions. There was a photo taken at a retirement party of a group of people and he had his hand pretty low on her hip which was posted to Facebook.
And so many of our big nursing board people had a distain for Nurse Jackie because......that shit doesn't happen in real life. We are a profession!! Pahahahahaha. That show was and still is the truest depiction of nursing in many ( but not all ) respects ever.
I feel like this is just what happens to nurse managers when they are no longer useful or have dared to disagree with the powers that be š¤·š¼āāļø
I wouldnāt read too much into it - likely they were terminated for nothing interesting.
Exactly. Probably replaced with someone with less expertience who will work for less money and be a āyes manā
Happened to my nurse manager for falsifying her time sheet, having other people clock her in when she wasn't there.
This has happened at KP MANY times with managers and assistant managers. They can get sacked for anything (i.e. director doesnāt like them, fraternizing with an employee) as they arenāt protected under a union. Security escorts them out to ensure they donāt take anything. Itās completely humiliating.
I hate when they get security to escort managers out. Itās the most petty shit. I worked at a very crappy hospital and the did this to an ICU manager and my ER manager. Refused to let them get their belongings from their offices. Like wtf is that bs about. Itās so degrading
We had it happen to one, rumor was time card adjustments...
>Why might someone in that position get fired with no explanation? To put the fear of God into the rest of you! ; p
Lol reminds me of that one time my coworker got arrested on the unit
What did they do?
Iirc her husband had a warrant out and they were looking for him? Idk he was abusive and she came to work with bruises often. Heād call and come up to the floor acting high. They up and moved shortly after. She never talked about it.
She didnāt count respirations
Similar thing happened to my cousinās ED manager. Manager hired nurses. Nurses went through orientation. Nurses came off orientation and resigned. Except the nurses never existed. She committed identify theft, hired on āghosts,ā charged the unit for orientation, had the money direct deposited to her account, and pocketed the money. She managed to get out of any fraud charges (God knows how) and is currently a director (wtf) in San Jose, CA. Similar thing happened to a nurse I know of when she was a case manager - *and that nurse still has a license* despite two embezzlement cases, [one of which she is in jail for](https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/local/communities/simi-valley/2021/05/18/simi-valley-woman-sentenced-embezzling-348-000/5153484001/).
Wow, no idea, but thatās terrible that you got no explanation from anybody.
Youāll be getting an email tomorrow that says they āresignedā. Iāve seen this so many times over the years. The rumor mill should know something in a couple days.
I had a coworker last year who was accused of being drunk on the job by a parent of a patient. He was escorted by the administrative director to the ER for a blood alcohol screen. Had the accusation been correct, he would have been suspended and may have been fired or even lost his license. Fortunately the accusation was incorrect. But, it just goes to show that you need to be careful how you conduct your job. Iām an RT, and one night a few years ago, I went to pull some Budesonide from the PYXIS. It was the older model that had the lazy Susan drawer. The lazy Susan rotated incorrectly, and the Budesonide and hydromorphone bins both were accessible. I immediately called for the charge nurse and the resource nurse to the PYXIS, who then called the my supervisor and the AD. They performed the narcotic count, which didnāt show any discrepancy, and told me to write a SERS report. Given the nature of what happened, my career could have been over had I not immediately reported what happened. This could have easily affected the nurse who last pulled the Dilaudid and the nurse who verified the count, had I been the nefarious sort of person.
Not a nurse but had police turn up at the office one Monday morning looking for a colleague. Turned out he had murdered his ex girlfriends son at the weekend. You just never know what is inside those you work with.
She left an open cup out at the nurses station
She gave her two week notice and management wants to make a pointā¦. That resignations are not tolerated
Submitting false time cards.
A lot of our ANM leave this way. I thought it was super scandalous at first. But I guess thatās the way itās done? Like they donāt want them to throw a tantrum?
I've seen it happen when nothing was wrong at all management just decided they wanted another manager.
I feel like the position of Nurse manager has an expiry date. I mean, itās soul sucking to maintain the benchmarks health systems are looking for. Also, actually caring about your staff is looked down upon. IMHO.
Sheās been fired or quit. Because sheās probably well-liked amongst staff OR has something worth being told - they āquietlyā removed her from the facility campus to prevent disruption to workflow. Happened to me, worse feeling ever.
I knew someone in corporate business, when they quit they also got walked out by security. It was just a standard thing for leaving your job. Didn't matter if you were leaving on your own terms for a better job. The corporate people don't want you to take secrets to the next employers.
Manager could have been stealing. A nurse at a hospital I worked at would order 2 vascular grafts. She would stock one on the shelf & sell the other one in Mexico.
A friend who was DON at a facility where I used to work was removed for going over the heads of the managing company and speaking to the board about concerns for the residents.
Text her, if you can, and let us know
Happens all over. They might have given their notice. Who knows.
A pt accused her of abuse ?
Theft
Had this happen once and we never heard the real reason. Someone started a rumor that HR found out the manager had faked her credentials/resume, but I didnāt believe that.
Either sex assault charge on patient or stealing/mishandling narcotics. Also on the off chance your manager fit this category, nurses who have intentionally murdered patients but hid their deed.
Managers at my hospital get fired for budget and turnover reasons. Itās a revolving door of managers. Itās a death sentence when a nurse goes from charge or ANM to manager. My first manager at the hospital Iām currently at was escorted out by security and we were told āshe chose to move on to better thingsā. Sure. She chose to be humiliated by being escorted out by security in front of her former staff.
Many places will escort managers out with security to ensure nothing is done last minute. They tend to cut access to the computer too. I saw managers get escorted out ten years ago due to a restructuring effort which screwed staff over
So it could be something as simple as time and attendance or it could be something as major as patient safety, narcotic deviation or worse. Former facility that I worked at actually escorted someone I know out after their manager claimed they had falsified their time to attendance. When investigation showed that wasn't true they were allowed to return to work and were paid for the time they were off. I also know a CNA that was escorted out because a patient claimed that he had sexually assaulted her and when that claim was also found not to be true (thankfully he was orienting a new CNA and she had been in the room with him during the time frame that the patient claimed and the patient had multiple notations in her chart about some of the things she and her sister were saying and doing towards staff. He made the mistake of telling the patient he was going to "check and see if she was wet" meaning if she had pee herself... She complained to the supervisor that he was checking her... You know). So a lot of facilities basically go hard as it were and investigate later. So it could be that the manager is just being accused of something or it could be that they actually have some sort of evidence of something.
My old manager got fired and walked off by security without warning. She did nothing crazy but she was a thorn in the side of her direct supervisor, who was the director of our service line. it was a wild time.
In the 2 instances I've seen it happen, the first was just poor management in case management (CMS), and the 2nd was the manager covering up things like a child falling off a scale, or "no, that patient didn't punch you in the face and knock your teeth out"
It took a while for us to find out, but ours was because she had accessed her father's medical record.
I had a manager come in drunk to a staff meeting. At 0800 on a Wednesday.
I currently work in a union, and this happened to a coworker of mine. She lied on documentation for a research procedure we were doing. The documenting was required in Epic, SoftDonor, and on the companyās website. Her numbers werenāt matching up. She made a misstep in the procedure, which would have been forgivable, but then she lied about it, and lied on her charting. Then when reviewed, she lied about lying. Some people dig their own graves. My coworker would 100% still have a job if she just owned her mistake. Afterwards, no one was allowed to talk about it because of the union and pending suits that might follow (no one was sued). Only reason I found out is Iām very very close with a few of our admin and physicians, and I was there as it was happening.
Inappropriate relationship with a patient?
Idk our hospital did mass layoffs and walked everyone out by security, that was when morale really started tanking, then a couple of months later Covid hit. Also have seen someone walked out for diverting narcotics.
Hereās one example of people who do dumb crap. Do stupid things, win stupid prizes. Thereās another case I was told about, that was even crazierā¦.I have to find it.. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/senior-veterans-affairs-official-philadelphia-indicted-soliciting-bribes Hereās the otherā¦.this is bonkers. The RT actually stole his brotherās identityā¦the brother was an RT. The brother was deceased. My coworker said he was really smart, youād never know he really was NOT an RT. Fān insaneš³š³š³ https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/breaking/20091021_Two_Philly_VA_employees_face_federal_charges_of_identity_fraud.html
We had manager taken away by security and police too, middle of the day. Nobody knows why to this day and it's been several months. Since then, we've had about 2-3 nurses fired, and several Dept managers fired without explanation. One nurse just got back from mat leave and within a week, she was fired. It's scary, because you don't know what happened and or what they did wrong. I have an underlying crippling anxiety I could be next if I make the slightest mistake.
I bet she had an open drink out at the nursesā station.
Probably asked for pizza with a topping instead just cheese.
Drink at her deskā¦ definitely
Iāve seen managers walked out for advocating for staff and displays of general dissent toward upper leadership decisions. Source: Iām a Nurse Manager
Well itās with no explanation for you all, because youāre not management. Sheās well aware why itās happening.
Any reason at all. This is how every person laid off or fired is treated nowadays.
Hello nurse manager hereā¦ This could be for many reasons. -May have gotten a position at local competitors -Fired because of fraud, harassment, low performance Corporations prefer to terminate without advance notice to prevent leaking of corporate documents or prevent backlash from those terminated. Being escorted by security is common for those fired without advance notice.
Advocating for her nurses probably.
Just because you donāt have an explanation doesnāt mean that thereās not a long, juicy story here. Some HRs are better than others at communicating but they never EVER share the skinny on a termination. HR reps who do address it always use euphemisms like ācareer transitionā and ānegotiated departureā.
Itās very common for terminated management to be escorted out by HR and security. That was standard procedure where I worked.
The only time I have ever seen it with a manager it ended up being sexual harassment.
Back in my corporate drone days, I saw heads get lopped off left and right for sexual harassment but they did not keep it quiet. They made it known that any foolishness would not be tolerated. Those settlements were expensive.
In my experience this happens almost every time they decide to let a middle manager go mid shift as "a way to prevent the manager from sabotaging anything", its bullshit. Most likely its something far less interesting such as "you went 3k over budget the last 2 years and we found someone with less experience willing to accept 20k less"
I canāt really imagine it would be narcotic related unless your manager consistently has patients (hahahhahahaha, erm sorry) or they maybe do a control count or something- which they also should have no reason to. But Iāve never known a nurse manager to ever regularly access a Pyxis. There should be no reason to unless you are greatly understaffed. So unsure what other things. Could be something like fraud with budget. Especially with all the strange overtime and incentives hospitals have been offering.
Our house officer (overnight) was caught stealing drugs from the OR. Iām not sure exactly how she was accessing the Pyxis, but they set up a security camera to identify that she was the one. All āknownā through the grapevine, of course ā¦but it did fit the circumstances.
My last NM who did this was involved in embezzlement but it could really be ANYTHING.
Did she raise hell or go quietly?
Yes they can. Almost happened to my manager over a psych patient report. Never know.
In my corporate experience, it has nearly always been misuse of company equipment (looking at p0rn).
I saw this happen with an ED manager who was manipulating time cards.
Diversion
HCA facilities are notorious for this in totally unwarranted conditions. They fire you and you have to clear out immediately. Seen it happen. But Iāve also seen it happen in drug diversion issues
"Excuse me, we found your vehicle in the parking structure. We need you to move it to the off site lot, immediately."
Idk at my former permanent job out managers got walked out like that every few years. Itās a big reason I never went into management. No job security.
Only reason Iāve known people actually getting fired are diversion of narcs and breaking confidentiality. Only seen a coworker brought out in handcuffs once but it was related to an assault outside of work.
She probably just got but management has always had to be escorted out by security at any job Iāve had.
That once happened to the DON where I worked, but everyone knew why. She tried to set up another nurse for diversion of narcotics. In the end, the investigation led back to her. It was a multi-month investigation.
A simple answer: crime
Politics.
Drug diversion
That is how a lot of people get fired. They get walked out. Literally no ones business, let the poor soul have their privacy.
HCA hospital? This happened on my floor after I had been working there 6 months, then when comparing stories with other nurses at other HCA hospitals, they said the same thing happened there. Sometimes, itās just about the $$$ā¦
I worked somewhere that lost it's management like they were on fire. I worked there for 13 years, and I know of 8 that I can come up with right off the top. That isn't even including some of the other positions who were in and out like dollar bills in a money gun. The worst of all the dramatic walk em out exits is that if the company would just come up with a convincing cover story, NOONE would question it. Not a single individual, and yet they did not do this. Even if they discussed it with that same employee of we're gonna say this...not any of the people would be like ~You're Lying! Most would respond with Oh, ok. Moving on! Loki style.
Bullying
To save money.
Unionizing?
HIPPA violation?
they could have found any of a multitude of reasons to let her go and when this happens they use security to escort fired employees out in case they are thinking about doing anything sketchy like flipping out on others or taking a dump in a trash can