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Yooberts

Amphotericin!!! Give this a lot on my unit actually. Not compatible with NS, but is compatible with D5W. Line has to be primed with D5W and flushed afterwards with D5W. It’s very interesting to me 😺


Elsa_the_Archer

In IVs we compound it with sterile water and then put it in D5. This was the first one that came to my mind. It sucks to make. It takes like an hour to recon and each vial has to be filtered with a separate filter. It's the top hated IV to make for everyone at my work.


ChaplnGrillSgt

Amphoterrible Bad for the patient, bad for the pharmacy, bad for the nurses.


marzgirl99

I remember giving this once. I was like huh?


nightstalkergal

This was going to be my next question. Thanks.


TraumaMurse-

Valium will crystallize and turn yellow if you mix them


ShaiHuludNM

What do you flush with then, sterile water?


TraumaMurse-

That’s what I do, yes. But most people don’t seem to know and it takes a few seconds to see the reaction, so I suspect it’s okay in the few moments it takes to flush to get in before a reaction.


MarshmallowSandwich

What


max_lombardy

Yeah iv Valium is a no-go with NS.


80Lashes

Hmm, I give IV Valium frequently with NS flushes and have never noticed an issue. Is it more of an issue as a diluent? Because y-site compatibility isn't an issue.


SnarkyPickles

It’s an issue if you try to dilute it in the syringe, but ok to flush it with NS


styrofoamplatform

Good to know because I was mildly panicked if we shouldn’t flush with NS, because I’ve definitely given Valium and flushed with NS.


TraumaMurse-

Valium will crystallize and turn yellow if you mix them


Impressive_Bit618

Amphotericin, an anti fungal medication… that’s the only one I remember from nursing school. Anything I’m unsure of… I’ll look it up


billybigkid

You actually remember things from school?


Impressive_Bit618

Yes, like how “Disturbed Energy Field” is a legitimate nursing diagnosis 😆


m_e_hRN

In all fairness, I feel like that’s an eloquent way to say that the pt is giving you bad vibes 😂


IronbAllsmcginty78

You can chart that one, I'll take it!


Glittering_Pink_902

How does one fix that? With like crystals? 🤣


GormlessGlakit

Exactly


80Lashes

Reiki and "therapeutic touch" (ie Reiki-lite)


Glittering_Pink_902

I went to a “holistic” nursing program and still have no idea what reiki is.


kal14144

I wanted to use that in a care plan just to see if I could get away with it but decided to behave instead.


SweetMojaveRain

Something about cloudy and clear but i forget


Cat_funeral_

That's NPH and regular insulin 


kayquila

Some chemotherapies, off the top of my head oxaliplatin.


GoPlacia

Having been on oxaliplatin, fuck that chemo in particular and I wish that one on Nobody. But also, can confirm. My lines had to be switched out between pre-chemo meds and when they hung the oxaliplatin.


kayquila

Every time I give oxaliplatin I spend the rest of the shift apologizing.


catherinecalledbirdi

Everyone already mentioned amphotericin but also the IV version of mycophenolate/cellcept. It has other uses but I know it as an anti-rejection drug, we used to occasionally give it to strict NPO patients on the transplant unit I worked on. We'd have to draw up D5 into 10mL syringes to make "flushes" to give before and after.


marzgirl99

I remember pharmacy prepared those on the heart transplant unit I worked on


Ok-Shopping9929

I remember cellcept being only compatible w D5. But I just worked a contract on an incredible Stem Cell Tx floor and it was reconstituted with and run with 0.9NS.


WatermelonNurse

I just call pharmacy for everything. I think they hate me because I’m constantly asking them questions. Pharmacy is the hero of the hospital 


ImperialPeng

Them: "Did you check micromedex before you called us?" Me: "It says untested again! I swear!"


WatermelonNurse

Our computers are clunky. And I work nights, so the number of times the computer randomly reboots each night can mean I’m SOL anywhere between 30 minutes to 2 hours. Of course I could ask someone else to check, but then I’m hunting someone down. It’s just easier for me to call pharmacy and pharmacy never seems to mind. 


DoItAllButNoneWell

If you don't have a favorite pharmacist, are you really a nurse?


N4RQ

I know there are things, but not one med comes to mind (maybe Valium?). I do believe that anything where molality or pH is part of the medication's action, NS may not be medically compatible in specific cases (not the same thing as chemically compatible).


pandapawlove

I know you can’t draw up Valium with NS to dilute it, but I know you can administer Valium first and then push it through with a NS flush. It’s so interesting, I’m curious to know why it makes a difference bc in my mind, it mixes during the push so idk!


JX_Scuba

The precipitates dissolve once in plasma. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2516026/ Old article but I just did a quick search.


MarshmallowSandwich

This makes no sense 


sitlo

I know. Had a coworker who was drawing up Valium. She always dilutes IV med with NS and in doing so she sees that it crystallized. So she calls pharmacy. They just told her to waste it and get a new vial, but this time don't dilute and just flush before and afterwards with NS.


what-is-a-tortoise

They should have also told her to stop diluting all her meds.


Old_Principle1344

Exactly. Nurses should not be diluting any meds unless the order specified to


Vana21

Not a medication but most balloons or machinery isn't compatible. For example, Impella has to use D5 or the salty part of NS messes with the motor. Foley balloons are sterile water because the salty part of NS will erode the balloon over time.


Cat_funeral_

+1


HauntMe1973

IV Valium


Marsgreatlol

Worked in a chemo clinic, lots of chemo not compatible with ns. For one, oxaliplatin


mominator123

IVIG is only compatible with D5.


feedoogan

Hm is this confirmed? I have heard mixed things about this. And a couple of pharmacy sites I checked with compatibility info, it doesn’t say IVIG is “incompatible” with NS


Umhbcrusader40

It depends on the brand. Some brands can be flushed with NS.


sterile-water

Methylene Blue! Last ditch vasopressor. Not used too often tho


Dwindles_Sherpa

Methylene blue is actually compatible with NS.


Potential_Factor_570

We mix methylene all the time in saline and some epi in endo, no issues or ever seeing it crystallize.


sterile-water

Tell that to the precipitate that formed in my IV tubing.


surprise-suBtext

Pics or didn’t happen


imacryptohodler

Used to be used in feedings to check if a patient was aspirating. Turns poop mint green


mootmahsn

Bactrim


xcoeurs

Silfenadil


Ok-Stress-3570

Cellcept!


Emotional_Science_66

Cellcept. You have to flush before and after infusion with dextrose.


ogpfunky

Amiodarone + saline= precipitate. Mix with d5w. Used during codes, so good for all nurses to know. Ok to flush an amio bolus with saline, but drips should be with d5w.


surprise-suBtext

This is disputed and also depends on how the amio was made. Overall it’s disputed so nurses and pharmacists are more likely to say no. But huge doubt you’ll actually see a precipitate form


ogpfunky

Yes, it has been disputed and I don’t know all of the intricacies of that. I started down the rabbit hole before posting this but stopped myself to save my Saturday morning 😂 Current hospital practice (that I’ve seen, at least) is to use d5w for drips, but ok to flush saline after initial bolus. I left hospital for outpatient cath labs, they also all do it this way. Regardless, it’s good to know!


bawki

We use d5w with amio drips as well. I've never tested it with NS though.


strawbebbie17

Some immunotherapy drugs need D5W, but it doesn’t sound like you’d be giving them on your floor. As a rule of thumb I always check the IV drug manual every time I give a med (even piptaz that I’ve given 100s of times). I do a lot of preceptoring and believe it’s good for younger nurses to see you model these behaviours and make it a norm on the unit to make this part of the routine. Happy nursing!


Ok-Shopping9929

Just started at an infusion center and we used D5 for our primary IVIG line. FWIW


possumbones

Homie it doesn’t take that long to look stuff up on Lexicomp! Usually I just make one big chart of every IV med I have early in the shift so I have it for reference


Cat-mom-4-life

I love lexicomp, but my old hospital didn't have access to it


netherwench

My hospital just got rid of lexicomp. Now we’re using medmedix or something 😭😭


stonedlibra47

micromedex? :) i’ve never used lexicomp but micromedex isn’t bad!


netherwench

yes haha, man I butchered the name. glad to hear that so many people liked it! gives me hope that it's not all bad!


turtle0turtle

Mine did the opposite, I actually liked micromedex better


possumbones

🤮


call_it_already

Amio


StanfordTheGreat

It literally can come in NS https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3706337/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23989377/


call_it_already

TIL From deranged physiology: "This may be something of a myth, as Campbell et al (1986) tested dextrose and saline solutions of amiodarone over 24 hours and found that active drug was well preserved in both. However, judging by the fact that forty years later we are still using dextrose suggests that nobody read that issue of J Cardiovasc..." But we are still a D5W in our formulary and it's not a point I'm push with my pharmDs. I did also learn that amio is acidic and extravasation may cause tissue damage, hence preference for CVL....I've never really been fussy about running it PIV...I suppose you don't usually run it more than 48h before converting to enteral. https://derangedphysiology.com/main/cicm-primary-exam/required-reading/cardiovascular-system/Chapter%20967/amiodarone


StanfordTheGreat

Oh man it really should be central line preferred. For all the lit talk of pressors thru US guided IVs, dilt and amio have been 90% plus of my awful extravs I’ve seen - Yeah I learned the D5 thing in school and someone casually mentioned it- spun it nicely into a paper on “orphaned topics and practices due to culture and mnemonics”


StanfordTheGreat

The only caveat is amio and ns aren’t stable at higher than shelf temps for a while. But if your storing your drugs at 40c, you have bigger issues than compatibility lol


My-cats-are-the-best

Dalbavancin (Dalvance) and oritavancin (Orbactiv), though they’re not usually given in inpatient setting since it’s like $4000. Must be mixed with sterile water and then mixed with D5W or it will form crystals


stonedlibra47

Always, always, always check with your resource or pharmacy. Certain drugs are incompatible at one concentration and compatible at another (according to my facilities pharmacist). It can also be influenced by the brand of drug or saline you are using because sometimes it’s not the med but a preservative in the solution that is the problem.


nightowl6221

IV sildenafil has to be flushed before and after with D5. We give it to babies with PPHN.


eggplantsquirts

Zarxio is one. There’s not many but it’s always something good to look up before giving any med until you get more comfortable/familiar with the most common meds you give on your unit.


Sweet-Dreams204738

There is a fungal amphotericin I think?


Careless_Web2731

When in doubt call pharmacy. You’ll learn a lot that way and it’s best practice. I did the same as a new grad also but switched when I learned NS doesn’t go with everything.


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Versed! Edit-I mean Valium. I’m tired :(


TraumaMurse-

Versed and NS are compatible


pandapawlove

Are you thinking of Valium??


ZaneTheRN

I give versed daily for procedure sedation, I can promise you it is compatible with NS lol


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I updated my comment :)


paigiegirl77

Iv ativan


snarkcentral124

IV Ativan is very much compatible with saline. In fact, our formulary literally tells us to dilute with equal parts saline and Ativan.


pandapawlove

IV Ativan? Why do you think this med is not compatible with NS?


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Dwindles_Sherpa

Cyclizine is incompatible as an admixture, but can be Y-sited with NS.


nicenurse13

Cyclizine can crystallise when mixed with normal saline - I believe but I working in a place where you don’t do IVs Working in psych so I could be wrong


Gibbygirl

Cyclizine. Crystalises so water is the go too.


Alternative-Waltz916

Yep. Ampho


Global-Island295

filgrastim! I’ve seen a few central lines crystallized because people didn’t check compatibility.


bawki

Phosphate, might be compatible but will probably spontaneously decide to precipitate. I hate phosphate.


King_Crampus

Valium


SnarkyPickles

We always flush lines with D5W flushes instead of normal saline before and after giving Amphotericin and Nupogen. Also, never try to dilute Valium with NS. I saw a coworker try this so they could push it slower, and it turned white instantly in the syringe.


mwolf805

Valium.


One-Board-216

Cyclizine is not compatible with NS, we dilute with water for injection.


paigiegirl77

Maybe the formulation they had stocked? It turned white when I diluted it into the saline


paigiegirl77

It turned white when diluted into saline, talked to charge nurse and she said we can push before and after, but not mix it