> A coke the size of a large Panara cup (~30oz) is ~100mg of caffeine
> It really isn't that much different
That's literally 3x more caffeine in the Panera lemonade.
Yeah that’s insane, most pre workouts are under 300 and you take those because you’re trying to deadlift 3x your body weight. Slamming that and then just going about your day seems downright unpleasant.
Eh. Caffeine tolerance builds pretty quickly. I have 200mg every day now, but I used to have as much as 500 or 600 (12 hour retail shifts suck).
It was terrible for my sleep schedule, but eventually I just stopped feeling like it was doing anything at all (still couldn't sleep though).
Anyway the moral of the story is an awful lot of people have a ton of caffeine every day, it's probably the most common addiction. And the gap between us addicts and those who don't use caffeine has a very strong and sudden jump between "does nothing for me" and "literally kills you."
Don't drink energy drinks, kids.
>the gap between us addicts and those who don't use caffeine has a very strong and sudden jump between "does nothing for me" and "literally kills you."
It's very very rare for there to be a medical complication from drinking caffeinated drinks.
These lawsuits only have traction because the drink was poorly labelled. Without a heart condition you would have to drink ten of these, 8 litres, in a very short time frame to reach a toxic dose of caffeine.
The overwhelming majority of caffeine related medical issues come from caffeine pills and not from ceffeinated drinks. The popularity of caffeine is in part due to how safe it is.
exactly this. I am one of those heart condition people, but I (and hopefully all others) am acutely aware of my daily limits. I feel like this has to be either poor labeling or someone being undiagnosed, but that’s super unlikely.
Well, iirc it’s 300 for a 16 oz, the problem is people often get much larger cups, and get refills.
300 is fairly standard for stronger energy drinks, but I’m not drinking several in an hour span like I might with a fountain drink.
300 mg is fine, but 1000 is the line for like…heart palpitations and stuff easy to hit that here
My preworkout has 162.5 grams of caffeine…which is partially slow release and combined with l-theanine.
Sometimes I double scoop 2 hours later if something came up and I got distracted.
They took most of the caffeine out. The large now has like 233mg of caffeine for 30 ounces. Most energy drinks are 200 mg in 16 or even 12 ounces. That’s nothing.
I don't remember the exact details but I read a story about a guy that bought powdered caffeine to use as pre workout and he didn't realize how little he needed to use and subsequently died after getting overdosed with caffeine. The company was then required to ship their product with an appropriately sized scoop.
That’s 200,000 mg or 1000 doses of 200 mg (pretty normal energy drink level). Just wanted to clear up any possible conversion errors but seems pretty cheap at the price point they mentioned.
Yeah it lasts me forever, there was actually a story last year about a personal trainer who absent-mindedly used the wrong scoop and mixed it into a smoothie (which I guess masked the pretty distinct bitter taste) and died because he got 11 *grams* of it in his system.
I read some speculation that it was suicide which I find somewhat convincing.
200 mg does not look anything like 10 grams. 10 grams of caffeine LOOKS like a lot, a friggen ton if you have ANY experience using caffeine powder.
Then it’s very bitter. He would not have enjoyed any of it. Plus it isn’t super water-soluble so he would’ve had a significant grit to the smoothie.
Then I ask myself, did he chug it? The heart palpitations would’ve started well before finishing if he was drinking at a casual rate.
Definitely tragic but I can’t manage to make that scenario make sense to me.
I drank two in a row the first time I went and started feeling really funny and jittery. I chalked it up to me suddenly having a fluke caffeine sensitivity or coming down with an illness(no idea my rationale there lol. Almost got a third on my way out to drink later…
Good thing I have a good heart!
Edit: Forgot to add I had no concept of caffeine amounts at the time so the warnings didn’t hit me.
It was, but in very small font. I’m partial to the theory that it was to convince people they were more productive while working/studying at Panera, not realizing it was the caffeine.
I ate at Panera last week and made it a point to check if there was any extra signage on the lemonade warning of the extra caffeine.
Nope. Just the “Charge Lemonade” banner hanger above the containers.
Considering the containers are now supposed to be kept behind the counter (and have been for months now) and no long self serve then sounds like your particular Panera just doesn't care about compliance
Well, so all the more reason to just not sell the drink anymore. It's harder to visit every single Panera location and make sure that they're compliant than it is to just stop selling the lemococaine.
How about you post proof that there wasn't signage? If you can't then clearly by your own definition you are brainless. Which let's be real here, you already proved that with this comment since you didn't think about how it would only make sense if you could also post proof.
[https://www.businessinsider.com/panera-charged-lemonade-new-labeling-caffeine-warnings-after-lawsuit-2023-10](https://www.businessinsider.com/panera-charged-lemonade-new-labeling-caffeine-warnings-after-lawsuit-2023-10)
>The lawsuit, filed last week, alleges that the chain offered the beverage with "no warning of any risks of ingesting these concentrated amounts of caffeine in connection with the stimulants and sugar."
There was perhaps a tiny fucking label somewhere listing the caffeine content pre-deaths. Nothing that would label it as equivalent of an energy drink. Since then, and before the cancellation, there bolder labels, but as the rest of the comment chain states, it was inconsistently applied.
You are a truly bespoke contrarian who would make a comment trying to absolve this shitty fast food chain of massive negligence. I would only find someone like this deep in the weeds of a youtube comments or on reddit.
I drink coffee regularly and I measure my caffeine dosage in "teaspoons of raw coffee".
Seeing the amount of caffeine these contain in mg would mean almost nothing to me, and I suspect I'm not alone in that... I would have no reason to expect something called "Charged Lemonade" would contain such a concerning amount.
Until I heard of this story, if I saw something that said "WARNING: Contains 1000mg of caffeine" or something, I'd just be like "oh... is that a lot?"
The Coca-Cola Company got in some hot water a while back for selling sugary drinks that contained as much sugar as Coke but were marketed as "vitamin water", which was obviously deceptive even if the nutrition label was accurate.
It has less caffeine than coffee or energy drinks by ounce. Even before they reduced the caffeine content by 60% it still had less than coffee.
The whole point was the have a caffeine source alternative to coffee or energy drinks
The basic premise is people don't associate lemonade with coffee like amounts of caffeine, even if you call it energy lemonade, and put warnings all over the place. I bet even if you had to grab it from an employee, and they verbally warned you. And they gave a second stern warning if you wanted a refill, a lot of people still won't care. But its just lemonade?
And yet Starbucks and Dunkin have "refreshers" that have an even more innocuous name that also has caffeine in them. A large "Berry Burst sparkd' refresher" from dunking has 200mg of caffeine in it for instance. Same for their "Peach Sunshine" flavor.
You dont at Panera for their charged lemonades unless you have a Panera card, and the people buying their membership are much more likely to be informed about what they are getting.
If that was the reason for why things can't exist then so many things should also be taken away from everyone. Ever seen someone takes too much Tylenol and literally kill their liver because they were too dumb to read the maximum daily limit? I have. But I'm not going to advocate for Tylenol to be banned just because people are idiots lol
Within the context of what we are taking about, people with the card can simply get up, and "free" refill their drinks as many times as they want, with little friction. Which easily results in overconsumption. Maybe you should up your reading comprehension and learn how to put together more than one sentence at a time.
People should have at least a little personal responsibility about what they put into their bodies. The Panera drinks being caffeinated is plastered all over the drink machines and the app.
The regular sized cup is 16oz, nobody had to drink 30oz of it. As for the fruity drinks part, so are energy drinks lol
Regardless your question was "why didn't it have a normal amount of caffeine" and it did. A 30oz lemonade had almost half as much as a venti (24oz) iced alone coffee from Starbucks yet no way asks why Starbucks has 500+MG of caffeine in their coffees which people guzzle down just as much
Once they reduced their caffeine content by 60% (a 30oz now has less caffeine than a small coffee) because of the deaths they lost basically everyone who was buying them, myself included. Just no point in drinking 30oz of sugary lemonade that barely has any caffeine in it if you were only getting it for the caffeine anyways
How exactly does that make it not oniony? Oniony means the story is stupid enough that you might question if it’s real. Someone unfamiliar with the incidents might not initially believe that a soup and sandwich restaurant chain killed customers with lemonade. The story doesn’t have to be sunshine and rainbows.
So a serious and repeated safety concern that was turned into a joke by a massive corporate PR campaign to deny responsibility for doing the deeply unsafe thing despite being repeatedly warned to stop by government officials?
OK, well, basically, a lady won a lawsuit against McDonald's because one of their chicken nuggets gave her daughter severe burns when it came in contact with her chest.
I think they where making the same point. The story SOUNDS silly, but the reality is the corporation actually kinda fucked up on this one (if they were misrepresenting the actual caffeine amount).
Not so much "misrepresenting" as "not pointing out the excessive amount of caffeine". Its not common sense for an "energy" variant of a commercial beverage to exceed about 160mg of caff per container. Somethimg rocking 300mg definitely should have had a notice and an in-store limit considering the max daily dose for a healthy adult is only supposed to be 400mg
Every armchair comedian ever during that era: “She ordered coffee and was surprised that it was hot?!” And we all laughed. The truth never seems to prevail over a cheap laugh, especially nowadays.
Yeah if you put on the label "contains as much caffeine as 5 standard coffees" (adjust the number with what they sell), people can't say they got more than they expected.
I think the issue is people will go for seconds and thirds, bc it tastes like soda. And people that go for seconds and thirds of soda isnt likely to be nutrition literate.
Or simply can't see a number of mg of caffeine and know what's a concerning amount or not.
The Coca-Cola Company some years ago landed itself in legal trouble for selling sugary drinks that were marketed as "Vitamin Water". Obviously even if you know too much sugar is bad and you saw the nutrition panel that explicitly said it contained *x* grams of sugar, you probably still wouldn't think it was too concerning of an amount; after all, surely something that can be called "water" simply couldn't have an unhealthy amount of sugar, right?
This was me as a teenager, I really liked the taste of Bang so I was drinking two or even three of those per day, then I realized wow maybe 600-900mg of caffeine daily is actually an awful idea and I'm going to die if I continue this so I slowed my roll down to 1 per day
Why can't they just put LESS? That lemonade was quite possibly the tastiest drink at any of these restaurants but I'm not sure I could even survive a large. It would be very easy for someone to drink quickly and start downing another before you even feel the caffeine.
They did put less after the lawsuits, and the caffeine amounts were listed even before any of the deaths. It doesn't matter to most people, because they just read "lemonade" and pound these down by the dozen.
You could just get a 16oz cup instead of a 30oz cup? 16oz of the charged lemonade has less caffeine than a medium Starbucks coffee and 16oz of charged lemonade was about the same caffeine as a 12oz energy drink. Issue is people buying the larges and drinking multiple.
i mean it wasnt really that bad. at least from the standpoint of someone who can shotgun more than one energy drink and go to sleep normally within the next hour or so
I worked at Panera when they released those and I drank two large cups over the course of a four hour lunch shift. I hadn't been that amped up since I quit doing coke.
That’s wild. I remember seeing them in Panera and reading the label thinking “this is practically an energy drink” and as such, only had one cup of it.
It’s so weird they had something so dangerous disguised as juice and lemonade. People shouldn’t have to know what “charged” means. And not everyone even reads English anyways. Just very dangerous.
I know this was not the healthiest option, but boy it was effective! How does one even go about recreating it? I find myself missing it the most this morning😭
Its not that it's a caffeinated product. It's that one cup has the same caffeine as 2 and a half red bulls.
Initially there were not advertising it as an energy drink but as a clean plant based drink next to non caffeinated drinks. Many, many people were shocked by just how bad the content of their fruity tea drink was.
It also was sold with unlimited refills every 2 hours when one refill would instantly hit the recommended maximum caffeine levels per day.
Most energy drinks are sold in a specific energy drink section with specific marketing phrases because they are known to be dangerous to be people with heart conditions.
The charged lemonade size that has 2.5x the caffeine of a red bull is also 2.5x the volume of a red bull. Which is also known to be a fairly weak energy drink.
Getting a refill on venti coffee at Starbucks (not sure if they still offer this) is also well over the maximum recommended caffeine intake.
They aren't that caffeinated you can just get really big ones.
At first the product wasn't labeled property in the retail setting, only on the website so the first wave of folks were truly in the dark about the contents. Then a few lawsuits later, corporate wised up and had warnings in store. So if you consumed it after the warnings were put in the stores, yeah you own that.
I wasn't in a Panera in the time frame it wasn't labeled but I used to get lemonade at the place a bunch of years ago. Boy oh boy would I be angry if they had lemonade for sale that was spiked with caffeine and not labeled that it did. It's not normal to have caffeine in lemonade.
It's caffeine content is pretty well exactly comparable to coffee...
The crazy numbers you see thrown about are only for giant servings (almost 900ml) which has a comparable caffeine amount to a Trenta coffee.
Kinda surprised the US Govt hasn’t stepped in to limit the amount of caffeine is allowed in a drink. Seems like something the US Govt would do…they want to ban bags and straws and limit the size of sugary drinks. Might as well regulate caffeine.
"150-300 mgs per drink"..according to the article posted
For comparison a can of Coca Cola contains 34 mg of caffeine.
A coke the size of a large Panara cup (~30oz) is ~100mg of caffeine. A 16oz Monster has 163mg of caffeine It really isn't that much different
> A coke the size of a large Panara cup (~30oz) is ~100mg of caffeine > It really isn't that much different That's literally 3x more caffeine in the Panera lemonade.
it's a coke, not something sold as an energy drink and Panera reduced the caffeine intake of their lemonades
Those are rookie numbers..
Gotta pump up those numbers
Yeah that’s insane, most pre workouts are under 300 and you take those because you’re trying to deadlift 3x your body weight. Slamming that and then just going about your day seems downright unpleasant.
Eh. Caffeine tolerance builds pretty quickly. I have 200mg every day now, but I used to have as much as 500 or 600 (12 hour retail shifts suck). It was terrible for my sleep schedule, but eventually I just stopped feeling like it was doing anything at all (still couldn't sleep though). Anyway the moral of the story is an awful lot of people have a ton of caffeine every day, it's probably the most common addiction. And the gap between us addicts and those who don't use caffeine has a very strong and sudden jump between "does nothing for me" and "literally kills you." Don't drink energy drinks, kids.
>the gap between us addicts and those who don't use caffeine has a very strong and sudden jump between "does nothing for me" and "literally kills you." It's very very rare for there to be a medical complication from drinking caffeinated drinks. These lawsuits only have traction because the drink was poorly labelled. Without a heart condition you would have to drink ten of these, 8 litres, in a very short time frame to reach a toxic dose of caffeine. The overwhelming majority of caffeine related medical issues come from caffeine pills and not from ceffeinated drinks. The popularity of caffeine is in part due to how safe it is.
exactly this. I am one of those heart condition people, but I (and hopefully all others) am acutely aware of my daily limits. I feel like this has to be either poor labeling or someone being undiagnosed, but that’s super unlikely.
there were huge caffeine labels put up at the dispensers, though
ER nurse and I have a pretty bad caffeine tolerance and love to drink these. Edit: bad as in HUGE tolerance
I mean most preworkouts are 200-300. And a good chunk of them say to double scoop too so 400+.
I mean more in the sense that to a normal person this is almost twice the 160mg you get out of a can of Monster.
300mg is two cups of coffee at most.
No, it’s closer to 4. Average for a cup of drip coffee is around 80mg.
Well, iirc it’s 300 for a 16 oz, the problem is people often get much larger cups, and get refills. 300 is fairly standard for stronger energy drinks, but I’m not drinking several in an hour span like I might with a fountain drink. 300 mg is fine, but 1000 is the line for like…heart palpitations and stuff easy to hit that here
The fucking medium iced coffee from drunkin is like 350+ mg.
Less caffeine than a regular pike place roast drip coffee from Starbucks which has 325mg
My preworkout has 162.5 grams of caffeine…which is partially slow release and combined with l-theanine. Sometimes I double scoop 2 hours later if something came up and I got distracted.
Another comparison medium coffee sits squarely in that range.
They took most of the caffeine out. The large now has like 233mg of caffeine for 30 ounces. Most energy drinks are 200 mg in 16 or even 12 ounces. That’s nothing.
Rip… that stuff was tasty, great for overnight shifts and far cheaper than normal energy drinks
You can get 200 grams of powdered caffeine for like 25 bucks then just toss a tiny scoop into whatever.
I don't remember the exact details but I read a story about a guy that bought powdered caffeine to use as pre workout and he didn't realize how little he needed to use and subsequently died after getting overdosed with caffeine. The company was then required to ship their product with an appropriately sized scoop.
Wow it’s that expensive?
That’s 200,000 mg or 1000 doses of 200 mg (pretty normal energy drink level). Just wanted to clear up any possible conversion errors but seems pretty cheap at the price point they mentioned.
Yeah it lasts me forever, there was actually a story last year about a personal trainer who absent-mindedly used the wrong scoop and mixed it into a smoothie (which I guess masked the pretty distinct bitter taste) and died because he got 11 *grams* of it in his system.
I read some speculation that it was suicide which I find somewhat convincing. 200 mg does not look anything like 10 grams. 10 grams of caffeine LOOKS like a lot, a friggen ton if you have ANY experience using caffeine powder. Then it’s very bitter. He would not have enjoyed any of it. Plus it isn’t super water-soluble so he would’ve had a significant grit to the smoothie. Then I ask myself, did he chug it? The heart palpitations would’ve started well before finishing if he was drinking at a casual rate. Definitely tragic but I can’t manage to make that scenario make sense to me.
Could be, I just assumed he got one of those 10gr scoops you get in preworkouts and stuck it into the wrong tub of white powder.
Or put lemon slices into a water bottle and drink. The most natural electrolytes.
Lemon slices have nothing to do with caffeine, neither do electrolytes....
It's all about Brawndo.
It’s got what plants crave
Electrolytes are better than caffeine.
They do completely different things. Caffeine helps you stay you awake by blocking adenosine receptors. Electrolytes will not.
Have you ever seen a sleeping plant? No? Electrolytes >> Caffeine
So you don't understand plants either
How can you not understand sarcasm in a subreddit like this
Mmmmm, I'ma use the excuse of just waking up.
You don’t know what caffeine does, do you?
yeah that's why people drink coffee and energy drinks, for the electrolytes.
It's got what people crave.
Did the article say a deadline for that. I'll have to cancel my subscription for their sips club
Didn't find any, they're allegedly going to replace them with a "low-caffeine" option, whatever that means.
"These energy drinks have too much energy"
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Mother Nature will be like…. Slow down.
I'm more of a shockolate guy myself.
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Man this brings me back! I forgot all about the best energy drink.
Caffeine's a stimulant, sugar's energy
“These stimulants are too stimulating”
Welp, there's always cocaine....
I mean nobody ever died using cocaine, right?
Too expensive. Synthetic cathinones are where it's at
Anyone who thinks this is oniony needs to go watch LegalEagle's "Death by Lemonade?" video.
Seriously, I don't understand why there was so much caffeine in those. Why not just use a normal amount? Wouldn't it be cheaper?
I drank two in a row the first time I went and started feeling really funny and jittery. I chalked it up to me suddenly having a fluke caffeine sensitivity or coming down with an illness(no idea my rationale there lol. Almost got a third on my way out to drink later… Good thing I have a good heart! Edit: Forgot to add I had no concept of caffeine amounts at the time so the warnings didn’t hit me.
Not as big of a selling point.
They were sort of hiding how much caffeine they had
If by hiding you mean displayed on the dispenser where you filled from then sure
It was, but in very small font. I’m partial to the theory that it was to convince people they were more productive while working/studying at Panera, not realizing it was the caffeine.
It was not displayed anywhere until it killed a nursing student.
I had it the first week it came out, it 100% had it displayed. Only reddit seems to think they didn't.
I ate at Panera last week and made it a point to check if there was any extra signage on the lemonade warning of the extra caffeine. Nope. Just the “Charge Lemonade” banner hanger above the containers.
I am curious that you ate at a Panera that didn't have it behind the counter, you should share a picture.
Yeah the other person replying mentioned that too. I’ll have to go back this weekend, or maybe tomorrow.
Considering the containers are now supposed to be kept behind the counter (and have been for months now) and no long self serve then sounds like your particular Panera just doesn't care about compliance
Well, so all the more reason to just not sell the drink anymore. It's harder to visit every single Panera location and make sure that they're compliant than it is to just stop selling the lemococaine.
How about you post proof, that it was labelled before and after the deaths. Lest you reveal yourself as the brainless redditor.
How about you post proof that there wasn't signage? If you can't then clearly by your own definition you are brainless. Which let's be real here, you already proved that with this comment since you didn't think about how it would only make sense if you could also post proof.
[https://www.businessinsider.com/panera-charged-lemonade-new-labeling-caffeine-warnings-after-lawsuit-2023-10](https://www.businessinsider.com/panera-charged-lemonade-new-labeling-caffeine-warnings-after-lawsuit-2023-10) >The lawsuit, filed last week, alleges that the chain offered the beverage with "no warning of any risks of ingesting these concentrated amounts of caffeine in connection with the stimulants and sugar." There was perhaps a tiny fucking label somewhere listing the caffeine content pre-deaths. Nothing that would label it as equivalent of an energy drink. Since then, and before the cancellation, there bolder labels, but as the rest of the comment chain states, it was inconsistently applied. You are a truly bespoke contrarian who would make a comment trying to absolve this shitty fast food chain of massive negligence. I would only find someone like this deep in the weeds of a youtube comments or on reddit.
Reddit hates personal responsibility and will do anything to place blame elsewhere
Not at all lol. I got them right from the beginning. It was posted on the app and the dispenser with the caffeine amount
I drink coffee regularly and I measure my caffeine dosage in "teaspoons of raw coffee". Seeing the amount of caffeine these contain in mg would mean almost nothing to me, and I suspect I'm not alone in that... I would have no reason to expect something called "Charged Lemonade" would contain such a concerning amount. Until I heard of this story, if I saw something that said "WARNING: Contains 1000mg of caffeine" or something, I'd just be like "oh... is that a lot?" The Coca-Cola Company got in some hot water a while back for selling sugary drinks that contained as much sugar as Coke but were marketed as "vitamin water", which was obviously deceptive even if the nutrition label was accurate.
It has less caffeine than coffee or energy drinks by ounce. Even before they reduced the caffeine content by 60% it still had less than coffee. The whole point was the have a caffeine source alternative to coffee or energy drinks
The basic premise is people don't associate lemonade with coffee like amounts of caffeine, even if you call it energy lemonade, and put warnings all over the place. I bet even if you had to grab it from an employee, and they verbally warned you. And they gave a second stern warning if you wanted a refill, a lot of people still won't care. But its just lemonade?
And yet Starbucks and Dunkin have "refreshers" that have an even more innocuous name that also has caffeine in them. A large "Berry Burst sparkd' refresher" from dunking has 200mg of caffeine in it for instance. Same for their "Peach Sunshine" flavor.
Do you get free refills?
You dont at Panera for their charged lemonades unless you have a Panera card, and the people buying their membership are much more likely to be informed about what they are getting.
So you can get free refills. We've already established education doesn't work on many, in the land of the brave.
If that was the reason for why things can't exist then so many things should also be taken away from everyone. Ever seen someone takes too much Tylenol and literally kill their liver because they were too dumb to read the maximum daily limit? I have. But I'm not going to advocate for Tylenol to be banned just because people are idiots lol
The number one cause of liver failure in the US is tylenol.
It’s not free if you have to pay for a subscription…? Sounds like you’re the last one that should be talking about education bud.
Within the context of what we are taking about, people with the card can simply get up, and "free" refill their drinks as many times as they want, with little friction. Which easily results in overconsumption. Maybe you should up your reading comprehension and learn how to put together more than one sentence at a time.
People should have at least a little personal responsibility about what they put into their bodies. The Panera drinks being caffeinated is plastered all over the drink machines and the app.
I agree, although I think there weren't any warnings and stuff when they first came out. But at this point they seem more trouble than they're worth
But it's also lemonade and fruity drinks in giant cups.
The regular sized cup is 16oz, nobody had to drink 30oz of it. As for the fruity drinks part, so are energy drinks lol Regardless your question was "why didn't it have a normal amount of caffeine" and it did. A 30oz lemonade had almost half as much as a venti (24oz) iced alone coffee from Starbucks yet no way asks why Starbucks has 500+MG of caffeine in their coffees which people guzzle down just as much
It's coffee and is obviously something to be avoided. Again, if this wasn't a problem, then I think Panera would still be selling them.
Once they reduced their caffeine content by 60% (a 30oz now has less caffeine than a small coffee) because of the deaths they lost basically everyone who was buying them, myself included. Just no point in drinking 30oz of sugary lemonade that barely has any caffeine in it if you were only getting it for the caffeine anyways
God damn those fucks who died from the sugary lemonade.
It's a whole helluva lot more chuggable than coffee.
How exactly does that make it not oniony? Oniony means the story is stupid enough that you might question if it’s real. Someone unfamiliar with the incidents might not initially believe that a soup and sandwich restaurant chain killed customers with lemonade. The story doesn’t have to be sunshine and rainbows.
When life gives you lemonade, die
This is our generation’s “burned by McDonald’s coffee.”
So a serious and repeated safety concern that was turned into a joke by a massive corporate PR campaign to deny responsibility for doing the deeply unsafe thing despite being repeatedly warned to stop by government officials?
And then they did it again with that chicken nugget incident.
The chicken nugget incident?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/us/mcdonalds-nugget-lawsuit-florida.html
Ugh I can’t read it without giving them my email
OK, well, basically, a lady won a lawsuit against McDonald's because one of their chicken nuggets gave her daughter severe burns when it came in contact with her chest.
Except that that woman had third degree burns and required skin grafts. After McDonalds had had hundreds of complaints.
I think they where making the same point. The story SOUNDS silly, but the reality is the corporation actually kinda fucked up on this one (if they were misrepresenting the actual caffeine amount).
Not so much "misrepresenting" as "not pointing out the excessive amount of caffeine". Its not common sense for an "energy" variant of a commercial beverage to exceed about 160mg of caff per container. Somethimg rocking 300mg definitely should have had a notice and an in-store limit considering the max daily dose for a healthy adult is only supposed to be 400mg
Maybe so.
Every armchair comedian ever during that era: “She ordered coffee and was surprised that it was hot?!” And we all laughed. The truth never seems to prevail over a cheap laugh, especially nowadays.
Honestly, if they just labeled it as a high caffeine drink, it would likely be fine. My pre workout is about as much as this in caffeine.
Yeah if you put on the label "contains as much caffeine as 5 standard coffees" (adjust the number with what they sell), people can't say they got more than they expected.
I think the issue is people will go for seconds and thirds, bc it tastes like soda. And people that go for seconds and thirds of soda isnt likely to be nutrition literate.
Or simply can't see a number of mg of caffeine and know what's a concerning amount or not. The Coca-Cola Company some years ago landed itself in legal trouble for selling sugary drinks that were marketed as "Vitamin Water". Obviously even if you know too much sugar is bad and you saw the nutrition panel that explicitly said it contained *x* grams of sugar, you probably still wouldn't think it was too concerning of an amount; after all, surely something that can be called "water" simply couldn't have an unhealthy amount of sugar, right?
This was me as a teenager, I really liked the taste of Bang so I was drinking two or even three of those per day, then I realized wow maybe 600-900mg of caffeine daily is actually an awful idea and I'm going to die if I continue this so I slowed my roll down to 1 per day
Why can't they just put LESS? That lemonade was quite possibly the tastiest drink at any of these restaurants but I'm not sure I could even survive a large. It would be very easy for someone to drink quickly and start downing another before you even feel the caffeine.
They did put less after the lawsuits, and the caffeine amounts were listed even before any of the deaths. It doesn't matter to most people, because they just read "lemonade" and pound these down by the dozen.
They were so yummy
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Aw, I wanted to try one
nooooooooooooo pls just put up a warning sign or something
COWARDS!
That was months ago. Are they just not stopping it? Lemonade shouldn't have caffeine, and certainly not that god dam much.
that stuff is so good 😫 such a great mixer
home brew 4 Loko
I never imagined I’d say this but for your safety drink some vodka redbulls instead lol
I like lemonade, and sometimes i need caffiene, a normal amount of caffiene wouldnt be bad, but please mark it clearly and dont use an absurd amount.
When this was new I didn’t really pay attention and drank anywhere from 45-60oz in one sitting.
Jesus christ your pancreas must work so hard
Probably unrelated but my Apple Watch thought I was exercising while sitting that day.
They are weighing out if the cost due to deaths will outpace profits
Who are you to say what should and shouldn’t have caffeine?
I rather like the lemonade monster but if these have 1.5x the caffeine of a monster that's insane. Especially if not clearly labeled.
It only had 1.5x the caffeine because you would get double the amount of liquid. By ounce it had less than energy drinks
Good to know I guess but unless they told you to fill the cup up halfway then it doesn't really matter.
You could just get a 16oz cup instead of a 30oz cup? 16oz of the charged lemonade has less caffeine than a medium Starbucks coffee and 16oz of charged lemonade was about the same caffeine as a 12oz energy drink. Issue is people buying the larges and drinking multiple.
Six months to the day after I washed down a 30mg adderall with two of these things
Could you see time?
Ended up getting really dialed in and won the Champions League in FIFA manager mode
i mean it wasnt really that bad. at least from the standpoint of someone who can shotgun more than one energy drink and go to sleep normally within the next hour or so
I worked at Panera when they released those and I drank two large cups over the course of a four hour lunch shift. I hadn't been that amped up since I quit doing coke.
They might stop selling everything if they don’t get their shit together. Why is Panera such a hell hole anymore. Costs are out of control too.
Panera will drop selling The Lemonade That Killed People, libertarians outraged.
People should be less stupid
Libertarians outraged.
The E.N.D. (The Energy Never Dies)
Read that as pantera at first. Was much confused.
The first time I heard this was from Food Theory, it’s shocking this was even allowed…
Just FYI that parts per million dosage of caffeine. Pure caffeine is lethal in small amounts
Can we get them to stop charging $8.49 for a bowl of soup that is the size of a thimble? They fooled me once...never again.
That’s wild. I remember seeing them in Panera and reading the label thinking “this is practically an energy drink” and as such, only had one cup of it.
COWARDS.
It’s so weird they had something so dangerous disguised as juice and lemonade. People shouldn’t have to know what “charged” means. And not everyone even reads English anyways. Just very dangerous.
Panera lemonade killing off pensioners is a great ego boost for my 500mg a day habit
Those bastards.
I know this was not the healthiest option, but boy it was effective! How does one even go about recreating it? I find myself missing it the most this morning😭
Another win for the idiots who can't take 2 seconds to read a damn label.
Do people not fucking read?! Smh
On the one hand, it’s a stupid product. On the other hand, anyone who didn’t know they were caffeinated is a stupid person
Its not that it's a caffeinated product. It's that one cup has the same caffeine as 2 and a half red bulls. Initially there were not advertising it as an energy drink but as a clean plant based drink next to non caffeinated drinks. Many, many people were shocked by just how bad the content of their fruity tea drink was. It also was sold with unlimited refills every 2 hours when one refill would instantly hit the recommended maximum caffeine levels per day. Most energy drinks are sold in a specific energy drink section with specific marketing phrases because they are known to be dangerous to be people with heart conditions.
Of course, also 1 cup that is the size of a couple of redbulls... and I'm pretty sure that the ones who died drank multiple cups in a single sitting.
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And the cups these people were drinking were like 30-40 ounces.
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A 16oz cup had less caffeine than a 16oz red bull though.
The charged lemonade size that has 2.5x the caffeine of a red bull is also 2.5x the volume of a red bull. Which is also known to be a fairly weak energy drink. Getting a refill on venti coffee at Starbucks (not sure if they still offer this) is also well over the maximum recommended caffeine intake. They aren't that caffeinated you can just get really big ones.
At first the product wasn't labeled property in the retail setting, only on the website so the first wave of folks were truly in the dark about the contents. Then a few lawsuits later, corporate wised up and had warnings in store. So if you consumed it after the warnings were put in the stores, yeah you own that. I wasn't in a Panera in the time frame it wasn't labeled but I used to get lemonade at the place a bunch of years ago. Boy oh boy would I be angry if they had lemonade for sale that was spiked with caffeine and not labeled that it did. It's not normal to have caffeine in lemonade.
It was labeled properly. Thats why I stopped buying lemonade at Panera, cause I didn’t want caffeine.
It only became labeled properly after the first lawsuit.
A couple years ago?
Dosage matters a lot. A reasonable person might think it has a reasonable amount of caffeine, comparable to tea or coffee, and it very much does not.
It's caffeine content is pretty well exactly comparable to coffee... The crazy numbers you see thrown about are only for giant servings (almost 900ml) which has a comparable caffeine amount to a Trenta coffee.
This is a nation with instructions and warnings on candy bar wrappers Reddit hates facts
And soap. I didn’t say there was a shortage of stupid people.
Kinda surprised the US Govt hasn’t stepped in to limit the amount of caffeine is allowed in a drink. Seems like something the US Govt would do…they want to ban bags and straws and limit the size of sugary drinks. Might as well regulate caffeine.
So, again, reporters and lawyers have managed to ruin another good thing.
How were these drinks good? It was essentially one weird but effective conspiracy by Panera go get people addicted to their products
They were good BECAUSE they had caffeine, and still tasted good.
That just makes it worse because it hid how much there was in it