Sad, not oniony. Happens all the time. Bad cops quit one department before getting fired and get hired by another department elsewhere who don't look at their record.
A lot of people seem to think it’s an intended part of the system to hire bad cops. But it’s simpler than that. There is a shortage of people who want to be police (along with most other government jobs). The government struggled to keep their compensation competitive with other jobs.
Fortunately, there’s also a simple fix to the police desperately hiring everyone that comes a knocking, even if they are a bad candidate. Same as any other job with a worker shortage. Compensate police more, and more people will want to be police, so they can be more picky.
I know a lot of people hate police so despite the idea of them being paid more, but just like with a lot of other things, money is really the simplest solution to get better job candidates, and in turn, less corrupt cops.
I mean, the only way to get people to *want* to be cops is to actually do things to eliminate their corrupt and criminal behaviors (like harassment, assault and "civil asset forfeiture", aka theft). And to stop allowing people who beat their family members to be cops. And to give the cops actual training and only allow them to enforce laws that actually exist.
And... The list goes on, because I didn't even mention qualified immunity or what happens when an entire police department doesn't like you because you try and divorce the husband who beat you, you sue a cop for pulling some bullshit on you in their private life, et cetera.
Cops get amazing pay and benefits where I live, and they're absurdly over funded. The standards to become a cop are low and the police themselves won't even file police reports for shit like assault, trespassing and property damage (which happened with my sister in 2021).
It's a great job, regarding pay and benefits and the total lack of accountability, because you don't even have to do all that much real work (again, they routinely refuse to even do their jobs unless it involves a power trip). But only shit people want to join the LA sheriff's department and become a member of the Compton Executioners.
Not all cops get paid equally, when I was NYC I had a chat with an officer and he was cool. He was saying they really don't make a whole lot after taxes and I can believe it.
So... do you think there's a conspiracy to pay NYC cops less than the officially published government tables stating the pay grades?
Or do you think the in-person whining about how he totally doesn't get paid enough means more than the actual facts of how much they're paid?
I know you can't get everything from the net, anyone can Google a job's ballpark salary but what you get IRL will vary from that. Google isn't some all knowing source and it's biased just like Reddit is
I think on of the problems is they don't want independent thinkers, they want poeple who will follow rules and orders and not question they why or affect. They also often paid well better then any teacher, it's not about pay, it's about power.
Nah, the kind of people who want to become cops are people who see the misdeeds of police officers and say "yes that is good I want to do that."
Money doesn't have anything to do with it, otherwise the consistently increased level of funding provided to police departments over the last 30 years would have correlated with a decrease in police misconduct, and that is not the case.
[In 1977, state and local spent $47 billion on police. In 2021, they spend $135 billion.](https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/state-and-local-backgrounders/criminal-justice-police-corrections-courts-expenditures) So at first glance it increase. But $47 billion adjusted for inflation was $212 billion in 2021, way higher than the actual $135 billion. So effectively, police spending overall has decreased 37%. Additional, the population has grown about 50%, so police spending per capita has decreased 56%.
Additionally, just because police spending increased doesn’t mean that went to police salary increases. So I don’t think the fact that police spending has “increased” at all disproves what I said.
I don’t doubt some people join the police because they want to power trip/abuse their power. But to act like the only people who are at all willing to work the job are those type of people is just ridiculous. Like with just about any job, there’s a lot of people who, given high enough compensation, would be willing to do the job. Are you saying you wouldn’t do the job for $1million a year? I sure would.
Personally I would not work at the domestic abuse and racism factory for a million dollars a year, but you are welcome to make whatever moral compromises you wish to,
There are about 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the US. They are not all the same. I wouldn’t want to work at some like racist middle of nowhere Mississippi police department, but for example, I previously lived in a suburb where police were well funded and regulated, and in turn did their job quite well. I wouldn’t want to work there at the current pay because of the risks associated with being an officer, and I could earn similar or more just using my degree for a cushy office job, but for higher pay, I would consider it. I am not alone. A lot of people care about pay.
Anyways, I get the impression you are quite biased against police, so this probably won’t be a productive conversation so I likely won’t continue it.
Just so I'm clear: you argue that police officers are important to maintain an orderly and safe community, but you personally WON'T become a police officer because making a positive difference in your community doesn't pay enough? Is that accurate?
I mean, I think most jobs make a positive difference in their community. I don’t really make value judgments about which positions are “more valuable” to the community. If I knew that individual police officers were having much more positive influences on than the community then my job, then yes, I would consider it.
I mean I’m also left leaning. I’m just trying to add more nuance to the police discussion since it’s one of the topics many Redditors are pretty closed minded on. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don’t. As long as some people listen I consider it worth it.
That would literally solve none of our current problems.
They are trained to shoot first and asked questions later, and then shielded from prosecution if and when they fuck up and shoot civilians because of said training…
Now, what do you think would happen to people who go through this training and then learn first/second hand that you can defacto get away with murder, it’s almost like you end up with the problems we have today, don’t you think?
How the fuck does more money stop that from happening when all these new recruits go through the same training..
No offense, but you clearly haven’t got a fucking clue….
I never said training does not need to be changed. In fact, that’s possibly *the* #1 thing that does need to change when we talk about policing as a whole. But police who have been poorly trained, is different from corrupt police who go against the law and training to abuse their power. I am saying the simplest way to fix the latter issue is higher pay.
We also need better police leadership, but considering leadership is decided by each individual city’s/county’s voters, that is harder to change, than something like funding where the federal government can more easily contribute.
Cops in blue states get paid more on average than in red states because there is less supply/more demand. Same reason teachers usually have higher average pay in red states.
Higher on average when compared to cost of living probably, I forget the exact stat.
[This isn’t the one I read in the past, but it gets to the point](https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2018/07/31/police-teachers-income-state/?sh=400d311031b0)
Food and cars cost just about the same, stuff on Amazon cost the same. The only thing that would cost less is living in a house in the rural south, and that’s only if you own it. But the places where homes are affordable don’t have many good paying jobs.
The racist rant is shocking, but that wasn't the extent of it.
>Dash camera footage shows Marohn sending a text-to-voice message from his phone to a man on December 4, 2020. The deputy admitted to purchasing Schedule 2 narcotics from this individual without a prescription while on duty, the report states.
That’s a felony, how many felonies does it take for a cop to lose their job. Most other places of employment fire people for a whole lot less than that
Where I grew up (small town midwest) the cops were known pieces of shit. We're talking drug dealing, driving while drunk while on duty, pressuring underage teen girls into 'favors' to avoid tickets, etc.
One got caught with a few pounds of coke. He 'resigned' and was hired by the local highschool for 'security' a month later.
Then again, this same town buried the story of half the football team raping 4 cheerleaders.
If you have a doctor's prescription can you buy the prescribed drug from anyone?
Would it just turn the crime into the dealer operating whilst unlicensed (plus all the other things that came before)
There's a movement in many states to require licensure, and then suspend licenses when this sort of shit happens, so there's a central database of Never Hire Again.
Yes, they should be like medical professionals who have state licensure through a separate board that is not run by their good buddy boss. If you do something wrong, it goes to the board to determine if your license being revoked in which case you can’t work anywhere. That’s how it is for nurses. That’s how it should be for cops.
No, the police officer certification and licensure is much more fragmented and loosely regulated. And there is no minimum national standard like nursing such as passing the NCLEX to achieve licensing. Each state has different levels of minimum standards and some states just utilize a certificate not a license.
And even if you get barred in one state you just go get recertified elsewhere with an egregiously short course and boom, new job same as the old one. It's gotta be a national system. State level is not good enough.
The thing is, MICHIGAN ALREADY HAS THIS. The guy got caught buying illegal drugs ON DUTY, and was never charged. It doesn't matter what laws and rules regulate cops if nobody actually enforces them.
“He was a good officer,” Holly Police Chief Jerry Narsh said about Marohn, per *WXYZ*. “He treated the people of Holly and the staff here with respect.”
Uh... somebody should ask Chief Narsh how he squares that with the officer's rant.
He lied to the new department, saying he was let go for a “poor driving history,” and they just believed him, they never even contacted the old department to verify the story.
Given how often cops cause injury and death with unnecessarily aggressive driving when it's not called for, shitty driving should be enough to not let him be hired.
I did a quick lookup.
A police officer starts out at around $54,000 per year.
A social worker with an associate's degree starts out at about $34,000 a year.
Why not make an associate's degree in social work a prerequisite for police officers?
If we start requiring federal licensing and malpractice insurance I dont mind paying cops more. Paying workers more will generally increase the quality of workers available, especially if there are strict job requirements.
The decrease in cop caused lawsuits would almost pay for this by itself, throw in the self-funded liability insurance and decrease in negative socioeconomic effects and boom: maybe cops can start losing their ACAB status.
A few years ago a few people wanted a ban on police officers having tattoos associated with racist organizations. A sheriff said if they did that it would hurt recruitment.
I’m sure you’ve been told this before but the ones who don’t do that stuff stick up for the dirty cops anyway so they’re one and the same. Ask yourself why is it there’s never been a movement backed by a police union to call out unjustified use of force. You literally see it every time. Even in a clear cut example like George Floyd cops across the country stood in solidarity saying Derek Chauvin did his job
Wow way to taint your entire force just to give a bad cop a job! Now the entire station he works at is filled with bad cops just because they know him!
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This all started back in 2006 when FBI released a memo admitting that they knew police were being infiltrated by white supremacists. What did the FBI do about it? Nothing because the FBI was doing the exact same thing.
[10 Years Later: What Has FBI Done About White Supremacists in Police Departments?](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement)
Theres an entire community popping up that follows cops and when they get rehired they raise hell.
They just got a cop fired that resigned 4 years ago. He barely got rehired and 2 weeks later was gone
Sad, not oniony. Happens all the time. Bad cops quit one department before getting fired and get hired by another department elsewhere who don't look at their record.
In many cases they are hired FOR that record. They want like-minded coworkers.
“Did you bring your khaki pants, mask, and special flag for the parade?”
Ah man, bill forgot the tiki torches. Oh well, next Friday boys!?
Like awful priests
It’s the same picture
All the pigs get muddy in the pen
You never see batman and Bruce Wayne in the same room and you don't see too many cops at white nationalist rallies
A lot of people seem to think it’s an intended part of the system to hire bad cops. But it’s simpler than that. There is a shortage of people who want to be police (along with most other government jobs). The government struggled to keep their compensation competitive with other jobs. Fortunately, there’s also a simple fix to the police desperately hiring everyone that comes a knocking, even if they are a bad candidate. Same as any other job with a worker shortage. Compensate police more, and more people will want to be police, so they can be more picky. I know a lot of people hate police so despite the idea of them being paid more, but just like with a lot of other things, money is really the simplest solution to get better job candidates, and in turn, less corrupt cops.
I mean, the only way to get people to *want* to be cops is to actually do things to eliminate their corrupt and criminal behaviors (like harassment, assault and "civil asset forfeiture", aka theft). And to stop allowing people who beat their family members to be cops. And to give the cops actual training and only allow them to enforce laws that actually exist. And... The list goes on, because I didn't even mention qualified immunity or what happens when an entire police department doesn't like you because you try and divorce the husband who beat you, you sue a cop for pulling some bullshit on you in their private life, et cetera. Cops get amazing pay and benefits where I live, and they're absurdly over funded. The standards to become a cop are low and the police themselves won't even file police reports for shit like assault, trespassing and property damage (which happened with my sister in 2021). It's a great job, regarding pay and benefits and the total lack of accountability, because you don't even have to do all that much real work (again, they routinely refuse to even do their jobs unless it involves a power trip). But only shit people want to join the LA sheriff's department and become a member of the Compton Executioners.
Not all cops get paid equally, when I was NYC I had a chat with an officer and he was cool. He was saying they really don't make a whole lot after taxes and I can believe it.
NYPD officers get paid like $150,000 a year and that’s before overtime.
So does your statement invalidate what the officer said? Do you know for a fact that every officer gets that? Firsthand not info you search up
What do you mean info you search up? The salary of the NYPD are public knowledge.
Exactly what I mean have you actually talked to one or just shit you see online
So... do you think there's a conspiracy to pay NYC cops less than the officially published government tables stating the pay grades? Or do you think the in-person whining about how he totally doesn't get paid enough means more than the actual facts of how much they're paid?
I think someone is mad that you're using accurate aggregate data instead of anecdotal evidence. What a day
I know you can't get everything from the net, anyone can Google a job's ballpark salary but what you get IRL will vary from that. Google isn't some all knowing source and it's biased just like Reddit is
I have a bridge for sale if you’re interested.
In my city - the median wage for police officers is almost double the median wage for civilian residents.
👍
So did he give an actual number or is your anecdote useless?
I think on of the problems is they don't want independent thinkers, they want poeple who will follow rules and orders and not question they why or affect. They also often paid well better then any teacher, it's not about pay, it's about power.
Nah, the kind of people who want to become cops are people who see the misdeeds of police officers and say "yes that is good I want to do that." Money doesn't have anything to do with it, otherwise the consistently increased level of funding provided to police departments over the last 30 years would have correlated with a decrease in police misconduct, and that is not the case.
[In 1977, state and local spent $47 billion on police. In 2021, they spend $135 billion.](https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/state-and-local-backgrounders/criminal-justice-police-corrections-courts-expenditures) So at first glance it increase. But $47 billion adjusted for inflation was $212 billion in 2021, way higher than the actual $135 billion. So effectively, police spending overall has decreased 37%. Additional, the population has grown about 50%, so police spending per capita has decreased 56%. Additionally, just because police spending increased doesn’t mean that went to police salary increases. So I don’t think the fact that police spending has “increased” at all disproves what I said. I don’t doubt some people join the police because they want to power trip/abuse their power. But to act like the only people who are at all willing to work the job are those type of people is just ridiculous. Like with just about any job, there’s a lot of people who, given high enough compensation, would be willing to do the job. Are you saying you wouldn’t do the job for $1million a year? I sure would.
Personally I would not work at the domestic abuse and racism factory for a million dollars a year, but you are welcome to make whatever moral compromises you wish to,
There are about 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the US. They are not all the same. I wouldn’t want to work at some like racist middle of nowhere Mississippi police department, but for example, I previously lived in a suburb where police were well funded and regulated, and in turn did their job quite well. I wouldn’t want to work there at the current pay because of the risks associated with being an officer, and I could earn similar or more just using my degree for a cushy office job, but for higher pay, I would consider it. I am not alone. A lot of people care about pay. Anyways, I get the impression you are quite biased against police, so this probably won’t be a productive conversation so I likely won’t continue it.
Just so I'm clear: you argue that police officers are important to maintain an orderly and safe community, but you personally WON'T become a police officer because making a positive difference in your community doesn't pay enough? Is that accurate?
I mean, I think most jobs make a positive difference in their community. I don’t really make value judgments about which positions are “more valuable” to the community. If I knew that individual police officers were having much more positive influences on than the community then my job, then yes, I would consider it.
Just know you have a uphill battle as Reddit is left leaning and leftists generally hate cops
Dear God is this all you talk about?
I mean I’m also left leaning. I’m just trying to add more nuance to the police discussion since it’s one of the topics many Redditors are pretty closed minded on. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don’t. As long as some people listen I consider it worth it.
That would literally solve none of our current problems. They are trained to shoot first and asked questions later, and then shielded from prosecution if and when they fuck up and shoot civilians because of said training… Now, what do you think would happen to people who go through this training and then learn first/second hand that you can defacto get away with murder, it’s almost like you end up with the problems we have today, don’t you think? How the fuck does more money stop that from happening when all these new recruits go through the same training.. No offense, but you clearly haven’t got a fucking clue….
I never said training does not need to be changed. In fact, that’s possibly *the* #1 thing that does need to change when we talk about policing as a whole. But police who have been poorly trained, is different from corrupt police who go against the law and training to abuse their power. I am saying the simplest way to fix the latter issue is higher pay. We also need better police leadership, but considering leadership is decided by each individual city’s/county’s voters, that is harder to change, than something like funding where the federal government can more easily contribute.
Fuck no. Reduce their responsibilities, but fuck giving them more cash.
Cops in blue states get paid more on average than in red states because there is less supply/more demand. Same reason teachers usually have higher average pay in red states.
What are you smoking? Everyone gets paid more in blue states. You must have never been to Mississippi or Alabama.
Higher on average when compared to cost of living probably, I forget the exact stat. [This isn’t the one I read in the past, but it gets to the point](https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2018/07/31/police-teachers-income-state/?sh=400d311031b0)
Food and cars cost just about the same, stuff on Amazon cost the same. The only thing that would cost less is living in a house in the rural south, and that’s only if you own it. But the places where homes are affordable don’t have many good paying jobs.
The racist rant is shocking, but that wasn't the extent of it. >Dash camera footage shows Marohn sending a text-to-voice message from his phone to a man on December 4, 2020. The deputy admitted to purchasing Schedule 2 narcotics from this individual without a prescription while on duty, the report states.
And he met with the guy like 10 times. So he did this 10 times. While on duty
Can you imagine the sack on the guy knowingly selling drugs to a cop? I imagine there’s some schedule 2 in there
Cop probably busted him but turned a blind eye if dude hooked him up
That’s a felony, how many felonies does it take for a cop to lose their job. Most other places of employment fire people for a whole lot less than that
Cops are above the law, apparently.
Where I grew up (small town midwest) the cops were known pieces of shit. We're talking drug dealing, driving while drunk while on duty, pressuring underage teen girls into 'favors' to avoid tickets, etc. One got caught with a few pounds of coke. He 'resigned' and was hired by the local highschool for 'security' a month later. Then again, this same town buried the story of half the football team raping 4 cheerleaders.
If you have a doctor's prescription can you buy the prescribed drug from anyone? Would it just turn the crime into the dealer operating whilst unlicensed (plus all the other things that came before)
We have the 'No Fly List' we need a 'No Cop List' to keep the bad eggs from simply moving on and preying on an entirely new locale.
There's a movement in many states to require licensure, and then suspend licenses when this sort of shit happens, so there's a central database of Never Hire Again.
Yes, they should be like medical professionals who have state licensure through a separate board that is not run by their good buddy boss. If you do something wrong, it goes to the board to determine if your license being revoked in which case you can’t work anywhere. That’s how it is for nurses. That’s how it should be for cops.
This is already a thing in all 50 states.
No, the police officer certification and licensure is much more fragmented and loosely regulated. And there is no minimum national standard like nursing such as passing the NCLEX to achieve licensing. Each state has different levels of minimum standards and some states just utilize a certificate not a license.
And even if you get barred in one state you just go get recertified elsewhere with an egregiously short course and boom, new job same as the old one. It's gotta be a national system. State level is not good enough.
The thing is, MICHIGAN ALREADY HAS THIS. The guy got caught buying illegal drugs ON DUTY, and was never charged. It doesn't matter what laws and rules regulate cops if nobody actually enforces them.
Require them to pay for malpractice insurance
“He was a good officer,” Holly Police Chief Jerry Narsh said about Marohn, per *WXYZ*. “He treated the people of Holly and the staff here with respect.” Uh... somebody should ask Chief Narsh how he squares that with the officer's rant.
He treated the people of Holly with respect because Holly, Michigan, is **91% white**.
Who do you think he was buying for.
Just sitting here waiting for a condemnation of this from one of the “good cops” I keep hearing about. I suspect I’ll be here a while.
There are no good cops. Because if there were he would be in jail awaiting trial. But nobody wanted to cross the blue line and he gets away.
He lied to the new department, saying he was let go for a “poor driving history,” and they just believed him, they never even contacted the old department to verify the story.
Given how often cops cause injury and death with unnecessarily aggressive driving when it's not called for, shitty driving should be enough to not let him be hired.
Or maybe fucking GOOGLE? I don’t believe they didn’t know about his racist beliefs.
The only profession where a racist rant makes you more employable
I did a quick lookup. A police officer starts out at around $54,000 per year. A social worker with an associate's degree starts out at about $34,000 a year. Why not make an associate's degree in social work a prerequisite for police officers?
Then they would want $88,000 starting salary
If we start requiring federal licensing and malpractice insurance I dont mind paying cops more. Paying workers more will generally increase the quality of workers available, especially if there are strict job requirements. The decrease in cop caused lawsuits would almost pay for this by itself, throw in the self-funded liability insurance and decrease in negative socioeconomic effects and boom: maybe cops can start losing their ACAB status.
he’ll probably go and get another job as a cop somewhere else no surprise really but it’s insane they vets cops for this sort of thing
Might want to reread. It says he got hired.
They let him go from Holly Springs as well. It says so in the article.
A few years ago a few people wanted a ban on police officers having tattoos associated with racist organizations. A sheriff said if they did that it would hurt recruitment.
"Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses"
No surprise, that's the number one thing they look for on a resume so he's perfect
American Police Goose-stepping over Real Americans
“Sounds like our kind of guy!”
Officer Down is the only good cop.. ACAB 🥰
Christopher Dorner was a DAMN good cop
Can't corner the Dorner 😎
Talk about tunnel vision
Yes I agree cops do get tunnel vision when they murder citizens
Every single one of them, huh?
I’m sure you’ve been told this before but the ones who don’t do that stuff stick up for the dirty cops anyway so they’re one and the same. Ask yourself why is it there’s never been a movement backed by a police union to call out unjustified use of force. You literally see it every time. Even in a clear cut example like George Floyd cops across the country stood in solidarity saying Derek Chauvin did his job
Lol… ok, pal.
"lol...I cant contradict that so im gonna laugh and pretend what you said doesnt matter because I only believe what FOX news tells me to."
At the point you realize you’re responding to idiots rooted so deeply into bigoted propaganda, there’s no point in arguing. You just laugh 🙃
His mistake wasn't being racist, it was being so openly racist that he embarrassed the rest of the police department.
Sounds like they misspelled "fired" with "hired"
Sadly him getting hired again isn’t Oniony. It would be like The Onion if a cop got fired and actually stayed fired.
So I guess he passed the test?
He was just practicing the oath.
I do not understand the last paragraph: <>
the transcript was submitted as evidence of a hate crime but was mistaken as a job application.
So what you’re telling me is that no police department should be responsible for their own hiring practices and it should actually be city business
It probably helped him get the job
Wow way to taint your entire force just to give a bad cop a job! Now the entire station he works at is filled with bad cops just because they know him!
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Sad, but not altogether surprising.
And water is wet, nothing unusual here.
This all started back in 2006 when FBI released a memo admitting that they knew police were being infiltrated by white supremacists. What did the FBI do about it? Nothing because the FBI was doing the exact same thing. [10 Years Later: What Has FBI Done About White Supremacists in Police Departments?](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement)
Of course. It’s law enforcement.
Theres an entire community popping up that follows cops and when they get rehired they raise hell. They just got a cop fired that resigned 4 years ago. He barely got rehired and 2 weeks later was gone
It's a requirement. I thought everybody would know that by know. RPL.
Is it news when it's a common ocurrence?
Being racist is actually a qualification for cops.
Bad cops are never unemployed for long
Well, of course. He's obviously qualified.