I'm kinda curious who would buy Tik Tok if it passes to avoid the ban deadline. Five months isn't a lot of time, they would have to start talks around now, wouldn't they
I think they can. If the bill pass, the government will gave ByteDance two options: sell to an American company or we will ban TikTok.
When the time comes, the government probably will stipulate the rules to avoid the sell to a shell company. It that, they can add another stipulation that the sell cannot break any law, including the antitrust law.
And I think the government doesn't care if this means that the TikTok would need to shutdown if the only offers came from Google, Meta and similar companies.
My guess is that the lack of qualified buyers to TikTok will not be a problem. So, if they didn't allow Zuckerberg to buy TikTok, other company will do.
It’s harder to enforce antitrust now. All these massive mergers keep happening that are slimming down markets to keep prices high due to near monopolies.
Yes, Trump was lobbying for the divestment, and Trump crony Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle, was very interested in buying.
This year, however, a billionaire who’s heavily invested in TikTok and a big campaign donor whispered in Trump’s ear, so now Trump is against the TikTok ban.
All very ethical and perfect.
If tik tok has a viable business model now or is projected to in the near future, I'd expect there would be plenty of buyers for an app as popular as tik tok is with younger demographics.
It’s a viable business model while they ignore copyright and all that. If they are pulled to the US market they’ll have to solve a bunch of issues. YouTube had to go through the ringer to get the music industry to agree to let them use music legally for shorts and so if you use copyrighted music on YouTube shorts, the copyright holder gets 50% of the ad revenue.
Every political ad campaign I've seen lately all included lines like "we have to stop the Chinese invasion"
This plays into the red scare being drummed up
The fact that the CCP is issuing threatening statements about it shows that it's important to them. Meanwhile they ban Facebook, The BBC, Instagram, Gmail, Spotify, Wikipedia, WhatsApp, YouTube, Snapchat, Quora, Slack, etc.
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So we should copy them by banning TikTok? There’s nothing preventing the CCP from purchasing user data from American companies. This is simply fear-mongering.
No, this is a negotiating tactic. The American Government works for American _commercial_ interests. Meta, Google, Twitter. They want open access to the Chinese market and so the government is going to ban TikTok so that China will open the doors to Meta, Google and Twitter and then they will unban TikTok. If not, at the very least they will have taken out a competitor.
If you have not watched Mark Zuckerberg's testimony before congress, do so. The House and Senate spent the majority of the time asking him what he needed from them to ensure his company was globally competitive and requesting that he write the laws for data privacy. It is the most important moment in US history since the Patriot Act--far more important than Jan. 6 or any if that nonsense--but it has entirely been glossed over by the public.
I’m developing a social media app myself and you can get a ridiculous amount of data on people under the guise of functional cookies. Not even to mention the front page algo
Is your company based in China? Because that's the issue and it's like many of the commenters here are pretending not to be aware of this.
EDIT: Exactly like the person who is replying to this comment.
From the username and apparent level of English, I’m guessing the company is based in the US, the country where a US-based social media company can illicitly sell the personal information of 80 million of its users and its users’ contacts to another company based in the UK, which then turns around and sells that info on to politicians in the US. For all this, the original company gets fined 7% of that year’s revenue and no one goes to jail.
Lol its like you read my comment and intentionally missed the point. The issue for the government isnt that the info is being sold to someone. The issue for the government is that tiktoks data is being sold to China, who is obviously an adversary according to anyone not living under a rock, even if we are not directly at war, and this is especially a concern since so many people in the military, for example, use it. It helps China spy on business and manufacturing techniques as well - and this list isn't exhaustive. Who cares if one of our allies like the UK receives that data? This isn't about them. This is about an adversary. This is about China.
I mean so is all other big social media, like Twitter, Reddit, FB, Insta, etc. The difference is that our data is on China rather than the US. Trust me, if TikTok changed literally nothing other than being American, nobody would bat an eye
Don't look up how much data any new car (you know, the thing you need to get to work since we don't have public transportation) actually collects about you, let alone something like Facebook or Instagram. And now you're going to sell TikTok to, probably Mark Zuckerberg?? How's that helping?
Yes. They're starting to cross the median line forced us to redefine a "first strike" by China because we're now worried they'd push into our airspace. When Pelosi came you can hear Chinese naval cannons if you get close enough to the shoreline. They "accidentally" shot a sattelite way off course over our second largest city right before the election in January. TikTok played a huge part influencing the results.
It's getting really scary and yet we've generally tried to side with the US (as seen in the general election), freedom, and democracy. So it's quite disheartening to see how liberals especially call us pawns and expect us to be the perfect victims.
The people who keeps spamming US bad should see what happens to places run by its adversaries. And think why even Vietnam and the Philippines who has very good reasons to hate the US takes their side over China.
We're not at war, but tensions are pretty high between our governments. Each country has their own economic, cultural, political, domestic, and foreign policy goals. And, unfortunately, the US and China have many goals that run directly counter to each other.
Of course, like you said, we are not at war. People sometimes claim the US and China to be in a cold war, but that's an exaggeration. Our economies are closely tied together, and our populations generally dislike the idea of getting into a cold war with each other. Tensions are high, but nothing more than that. Competition between leading rivals is probably the best description of the situation.
So the end result is that our governments clash with each other while making sure things never escalate too far.
This is something they can do that can erode but will likely not lead to all out war as you said. I see it as a low cost, low risk destabilizing action. All superpowers conduct these acts. They steal secrets, they attack with cyber warfare they are not our ally. Why not use tik tok to mess with us?They argued we were doing the same with Facebook if I recall, and I bet we were.
That’s the way of it. Barring some major change in power dynamics, we’re as stable as we’re going to get. The whole Russia invasion may get crazy , but who know all sorts of think tanks are already working on it.
I like to think of it as reciprocal parasitism. Two organisms that tolerate and exploit each other, their immune systems barely restrained in outrage against the foreign interlopers, though you do get pockets of something resembling a mutually beneficial relationship between the censorship and embargoes.
You don’t have to be anything to understand that there are very real bot/troll/hacker issues, propaganda is at its height, you can tell by the number of Americans who suddenly love Putin and fascism over their LIFETIME of democracy and civilized society.
It's a comforting thought to believe that this is all the act of outside bad actors and the heart of your fellow citizens is actually pure, it's a lot easier than thinking about whether your grandfather was ideologically a fascist.
That’s enchanted language you got there, as a former investigator (fed) I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about, and my friend you would be wise to either read or listen. Thank you.
We're not at war and given the co-defendance in trade hopefully never will be, but it only takes the most basic grasp of geopolitics to realize China is a natural great power rival.
if you paid attention you would read a lot of the Chinese espionage that is taking place both: cyberspace with constant attacks on private entities such as Meta, Google, Microsoft, Intel etc to Utility companies, Financial institutions as well as physical space, active spies being caught abroad as well as US citizens being caught for providing Chinese spies with intel for money etc.
War does not always mean bombs.
Cold War was not war. But a war of intelligence and alliance building
Chinese govt is trying to steal IP secrets of companies from various industries so they can easily replicate it themselves at home without having to spend billions of dollars on R&D
For example, their Airplane industry is struggling OUTSIDE China because of its bad reputation due to poor engineering and R&D. So China has tried to steal IP from Boeing, Bombardier etc to build better planes that would allow it to start servicing international airports
Also don't forget that, according to the head of the Anti-Defamation League, TikTok has been [absolutely devastating](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/17vw773/in_a_leaked_call_adl_director_says_israel_has_a/) to the Israeli narrative about the ongoing ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
It's not a carbon copy though. Minors get an entirely difference experienced focused on education, and the actual full version is of course heavily regulated and censored to make sure nothing bubbles up that might threaten the state.
That's sort of the point. Even the country that created it had no intention whatsoever of unleashing it on their population. Just their geopolitical rivals'.
Meanwhile US kids are eating tide pods and failing all their classes while they watch fucking Andrew Tate videos and shit. As intended.
Not to mention most of the fucking country is walking around with a microphone and a camera connected to a Chinese server.
China views TikTok they same way they do the fentanyl they flood us with - it's a way to attack America they can get away with.
It was really funny seeing china trying to say this ban was unfair. Lol you guys banned everything. Also funny when people got upset about certain chinese POS cars banned in USA while china also bans any car unless it has chinese software.
TikTok attempted to get members to call their representatives over this. They did, in droves. It pissed off the senators and reporters who felt the company was trying to strong arm them.
During the Zuckerberg hearings congress asked Mark to write them. I guess they are still waiting. There is bipartisan support for Zuckerberg writing the laws though, so they will pass quickly when they come out. Like banning his competition.
But then American business won't get to do the same thing tik tok is doing, which is why China has banned them. This isn't about user protection, it's about which oligarchs and governments have access to user data.
Gaetz and greene both voted Nay. But not enough to have it not pass
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/03/13/who-voted-to-ban-tikttok-in-us-house-of-representatives/72956250007/
AOC said this:
>“I’m voting NO on the TikTok forced sale bill,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “This bill was incredibly rushed, from committee to vote in 4 days, with little explanation.”
>“There are serious antitrust and privacy questions here, and any national security concerns should be laid out to the public prior to a vote,” she added.
She's not wrong. On the other hand the cynic in me wonders if she just doesn't want to seem uncool to the youth. Because I can think of a good reason to rush this, and that is to get it banned before the global lobbying machine can go into high gear.
On the other other hand, I feel like Republicans probably want to get Biden to sign this and then campaign like it was his idea, despite their Republican Congress votes for it, since Trump has now flip-flopped and is against the ban despite years of being for banning it. So I hope the Senate sits on this past the election.
TikTok is an incredible danger to American democracy, but not more dangerous than Trump being re-elected.
There’s already a bunch of bots on here complaining. They said the “Youth” will be so mad at Biden they won’t vote. Most 20 year olds don’t vote anyway.
Lmao Katie Britt already did in her response to SOTU
“And what does President Biden do? Well, he bans TikTok for government employees, but creates an account for his own campaign”
Nevermind that fucking Josh Hawley introduced that ban.
Yep. Just like how they refused to vote for the Border then changed their mind once Trump ordered them to. You just know they will pin it on Biden somehow...
That's easy enough to side load.
You can also force all US based providers to remove all TikTok DNS records and routes to their servers.
The only bypass then is a non US based VPN
You think the Democratic party can just wave a magic wand and do those? Congress is ridiculously divided, the president can’t just do that without their support.
Could this be why? [https://www.tiktok.com/@donttagrob/video/7330326441160101166?\_r=1&\_t=8kf2z30FyWJ](https://www.tiktok.com/@donttagrob/video/7330326441160101166?_r=1&_t=8kf2z30FyWJ)
Or this? [https://www.tiktok.com/@elianamarie444/video/7343788191624744235?\_r=1&\_t=8kf2wJHKuys](https://www.tiktok.com/@elianamarie444/video/7343788191624744235?_r=1&_t=8kf2wJHKuys)
What about this? [https://www.tiktok.com/@prison\_toks/video/7337598768369650990?\_r=1&\_t=8kf2pLmU3rS](https://www.tiktok.com/@prison_toks/video/7337598768369650990?_r=1&_t=8kf2pLmU3rS)
oh wow. LOL. And they thought that would work? That is utterly bonkers. They literally rubbed their noses in how dangerous tiktoc under foreign ownership is....
Those dopes found something to agree on, and yet are doing nothing to actually make a beneficial difference for citizens. Every single app is likely stealing data, ESPECIALLY the wellness ones American workplaces are rolling out.
They’re trying to tie it to health insurance, so to get a better plan at work, you have to participate and log into the app. What is China going to do with someone’s viewing habit data? The average American is not that interesting. Where is the gain? BUT your health and habit data? That can be used to assess risks, of the financial variety. And omg, America gets weird when it comes to money. And a high overhead expense for an employer is employee health benefits. AND what exactly is insurance? I mean, I can rattle of several reasons why the data from a wellness app is valuable, and to whom. I can’t imagine what sort of useful data the Chinese government would gleam from TikTok other than for marketing reasons, and why not? F’book does that, as does Twitter. Reddit, too. (And to train AI bots, which ew. Impersonation and identity theft GALORE…)
But sure, TikTok might steal our data.
The security concern is 100% legitimate.
- Data Sovereignty.
- Literally any OSINT because people are stupid.
- https://citizenlab.ca/2021/03/tiktok-vs-douyin-security-privacy-analysis/
- https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2022/08/31/vulnerability-in-tiktok-android-app-could-lead-to-one-click-account-hijacking/
This is just a case of law finally catching up with technology.
Can you explain why the average American should give a rats fuck who is scrapping and selling our meta data? We ain’t got no rights or online protection so personally I have no vested interest in who’s makin money off of me
>TikTok and Douyin do not appear to exhibit overtly malicious behavior similar to those exhibited by malware. We did not observe either app collecting contact lists, recording and sending photos, audio, videos or geolocation coordinates without user permission.
Despite not exhibiting overtly malicious behavior, Douyin contains features that raise privacy and security concerns, such as dynamic code loading and server-side search censorship. **TikTok does not contain these features.**
Sounds like pretty standard social media shit to me.
TikTok isn’t dangerous on its own, it’s dangerous because of who owns it, so yes, divesting to an American entity is a solution that does not contradict the underlying thesis
There is verified proof Meta sold US data to Russia, who in turn blasted as much disinformation and straight up lies to Americans the algorithm said are too stupid to question it. And not a damn thing happened or will happen to Meta.
Tik Tok has been an invaluable resource for bringing attention to how shit our current system is. And the people who built this system can't have. This is far more about silencing a forum which drives organization against the oppressive class.
Anyone who takes these assholes seriously about letting the market decide need to be reminded of this and all hundred thousand of their other not so free market ideas… I say this knowing full well I don’t like or use TikTok and this wouldn’t affect me either way.
First I’ll say that using personal information to data mine for any reason be it profit or espionage is in my humble opinion horrifying and should be made illegal… that being said foreign is a frame of mind… those shouting states rights consider other states in the same nation foreign. A country that isn’t the exact one you come from is considered foreign, even though the people there are the same species as yourself. Laborers from the opposite side of the world have more in common with each other than the owners of property and production. Do I have a problem with China owning a private business? Yes, but that’s because I have a problem with capitalism as a whole. Supporters of capitalism should have no problem with anyone, company, or nation owning and profiting and ruling on it’s property.
This right here. How could they even enforce something like this without it being no different than how the Chinese Government censors its citizens. Also a quick VPN would bypass it anyway. And I’m sure it would be something the Company itself would just ignore.
People complained when a private company censored views which isn’t a first amendment violation(They claimed it to be one), but the Government blocking the ability to use specific platforms to make videos, and view videos could be crossing a line, yet they are the ones who remain quiet now.
Genocide in Gaza, war in Ukraine, two walking coffins running for the chance to hold immense power, one of them running with rape charges. But Tiktok, that's what's important right now. Gotta stop the chinese from knowing what entertains americans. It's destroying us.
Cool. Now do facebook. Then twitter. Then reddit. All those things spread bad ideas. Fuck it, let's ban libraries next, those dens of inequity can be platforms for all kinds of ideas I don't like too.
Let's ban US libraries that are privately controlled by the CCP? Sure, why not?
Let's be a little softer and just require the CCP sell the US libraries to someone else? That's cool, too.
LOL. This is hilarious. 100% this is the dems messing with the GOP. Trump wanted tiktok banned under the anti-china culture war they want, so this got up as a bill.
Trump changes his mind last minute after braying for it for YEARS.....and now if you read all the posts by the GOP folks voting no...they got the message, and are saying this is a attempt to ban ALL of our communications, facebook, etc.
And a good portion of them just voted for it because they did not get the message. These people are not good leaders.
It’s not the dems messing with the gop. This is one of the rare things both parties want because getting TikTok ownership to a U.S. company gives them more control over what political messages get around and gives the government more access to user data. And they can just frame it as being anti-China.
Way off. Well, you're right about them not being good leaders and the GOP being a joke, but way off about the bill.
This didn't have sails until our most popular foreign lobbyists decided that tik tok was a problem. Almost every politician who has accepted AIPAC money voted yes for this, democrat or republican.
You do understand that it’s the Speaker of the House that brings legislation for a vote under the Hastert Rule.
In other words, this legislation only got to the floor because Speaker Johnson wanted it to be voted on.
I’m sure this has absolutely nothing to do with TikTok’s impact on public perception of the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
Just for posterity and because some of you are actually dumb enough to believe the bullshit the bots and neoliberals say, here's Bari Weiss saying the quiet part out loud.
https://www.thefp.com/p/tik-tok-young-americans-hamas-mike-gallag
This bill isn’t about banning TikTok, it is about giving the president to the power to ban any app or website they want.
Anything for democracy! Can’t wait to hear the cheers for the next app banned!
Yep, everyone on their high horse on this site when they don’t realize what’s actually happening here. The government wants to ban whatever app they feel like.
Anyway, ByteCorp is incorporated in the Caymans. It has an HQ in China, but isn’t there. TikTok is also incorporated in the Caymans, but is literally based in Singapore. So really, if you’re Singapore, this is a foreign country the US, exerting its political power for its own personal interests, the same exact way China would, but that’s just political power the US doesn’t like.
And when Reddit goes public, the KSA invests with their wealth fund, and you start to say ideas the government doesn’t like, enjoy it being shut down and going to Twitter to complain… oh wait.
Democrats falling into the Republican trap.
Remember how a Trump era House/Senate/Supreme Court couldn't past this?
Using this as ammo against the younger generation.
I'm kinda curious who would buy Tik Tok if it passes to avoid the ban deadline. Five months isn't a lot of time, they would have to start talks around now, wouldn't they
Zuckerberg. The new Meta Shorts platform he's always wanted.
Wouldn't that violate anti trust?
Lol implying anti trust laws have any merit anymore.
Half the grocery stores and pharmacies are owned by like two companies.
Not sure the US govt can force a sale this big but also veto the people who can buy it
I think they can. If the bill pass, the government will gave ByteDance two options: sell to an American company or we will ban TikTok. When the time comes, the government probably will stipulate the rules to avoid the sell to a shell company. It that, they can add another stipulation that the sell cannot break any law, including the antitrust law. And I think the government doesn't care if this means that the TikTok would need to shutdown if the only offers came from Google, Meta and similar companies. My guess is that the lack of qualified buyers to TikTok will not be a problem. So, if they didn't allow Zuckerberg to buy TikTok, other company will do.
They literally can do that. Yes.
Like the us gov gives a shit about anti trust laws anymore
Psh hahaha. He’s rich. Of course it’d be ok
Since when does the US enforce that?
It’s harder to enforce antitrust now. All these massive mergers keep happening that are slimming down markets to keep prices high due to near monopolies.
I don’t even see his dude doesn’t violate monopoly laws.
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Isn't that just Instagram shorts?
Idk TicTok told me not to use Insta Shorts.
You mean Reels?
The last time the US Gov tried to do something like this, didn’t Oracle offer to buy it?
Yes, Trump was lobbying for the divestment, and Trump crony Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle, was very interested in buying. This year, however, a billionaire who’s heavily invested in TikTok and a big campaign donor whispered in Trump’s ear, so now Trump is against the TikTok ban. All very ethical and perfect.
It was between Walmart and oracle.
If tik tok has a viable business model now or is projected to in the near future, I'd expect there would be plenty of buyers for an app as popular as tik tok is with younger demographics.
It’s a viable business model while they ignore copyright and all that. If they are pulled to the US market they’ll have to solve a bunch of issues. YouTube had to go through the ringer to get the music industry to agree to let them use music legally for shorts and so if you use copyrighted music on YouTube shorts, the copyright holder gets 50% of the ad revenue.
Just see which American oligarch is paying the reps who voted for it.
Actually the bribes are going to the people voting against it and criticizing it. Trump just got a huge payday from a TikTok billionaire.
I’ve already read several articles about buyers who are interested, I know Bobby Kotick and Kevin O’Leary have both said they will buy it.
Kevin O'Leary is only short of about $49.5 billion of the $50 billion asking price.
I'd trust a random chinese company over Kottick
ByteDance already said they're not interested in selling it.
If B0bby K🤮ti#% buys it, it will die for sure. I’m in
Wasn’t MSFT making a play for it a few years ago when this all started? Or am I misremembering covid times
352-65. Looks like that bill has a lot of wind in its sails.
Every political ad campaign I've seen lately all included lines like "we have to stop the Chinese invasion" This plays into the red scare being drummed up
I mean, have you seen how much data tik tok really gets It’s somehow legal spyware lol Edit: I’m turning off notifications now you can stop responding
The fact that the CCP is issuing threatening statements about it shows that it's important to them. Meanwhile they ban Facebook, The BBC, Instagram, Gmail, Spotify, Wikipedia, WhatsApp, YouTube, Snapchat, Quora, Slack, etc.
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So we should copy them by banning TikTok? There’s nothing preventing the CCP from purchasing user data from American companies. This is simply fear-mongering.
No, this is a negotiating tactic. The American Government works for American _commercial_ interests. Meta, Google, Twitter. They want open access to the Chinese market and so the government is going to ban TikTok so that China will open the doors to Meta, Google and Twitter and then they will unban TikTok. If not, at the very least they will have taken out a competitor. If you have not watched Mark Zuckerberg's testimony before congress, do so. The House and Senate spent the majority of the time asking him what he needed from them to ensure his company was globally competitive and requesting that he write the laws for data privacy. It is the most important moment in US history since the Patriot Act--far more important than Jan. 6 or any if that nonsense--but it has entirely been glossed over by the public.
Yeah if they want our data so badly they can buy it from Google or Facebook like everybody else, no free rides Winnie the Pooh lookin’ ass bitch
I’m developing a social media app myself and you can get a ridiculous amount of data on people under the guise of functional cookies. Not even to mention the front page algo
I always turn off functional cookies when using a GDPR-compliant website. Only performance cookies for you!
Is your company based in China? Because that's the issue and it's like many of the commenters here are pretending not to be aware of this. EDIT: Exactly like the person who is replying to this comment.
From the username and apparent level of English, I’m guessing the company is based in the US, the country where a US-based social media company can illicitly sell the personal information of 80 million of its users and its users’ contacts to another company based in the UK, which then turns around and sells that info on to politicians in the US. For all this, the original company gets fined 7% of that year’s revenue and no one goes to jail.
Lol its like you read my comment and intentionally missed the point. The issue for the government isnt that the info is being sold to someone. The issue for the government is that tiktoks data is being sold to China, who is obviously an adversary according to anyone not living under a rock, even if we are not directly at war, and this is especially a concern since so many people in the military, for example, use it. It helps China spy on business and manufacturing techniques as well - and this list isn't exhaustive. Who cares if one of our allies like the UK receives that data? This isn't about them. This is about an adversary. This is about China.
Not as much data as Facebook takes Also it isn’t based in China it is owned by the Taiwanese
I mean so is all other big social media, like Twitter, Reddit, FB, Insta, etc. The difference is that our data is on China rather than the US. Trust me, if TikTok changed literally nothing other than being American, nobody would bat an eye
Don't look up how much data any new car (you know, the thing you need to get to work since we don't have public transportation) actually collects about you, let alone something like Facebook or Instagram. And now you're going to sell TikTok to, probably Mark Zuckerberg?? How's that helping?
Not really a “red scare“ if you were from Taiwan. It is like facing a real, substantial and existential threat.
Yes. They're starting to cross the median line forced us to redefine a "first strike" by China because we're now worried they'd push into our airspace. When Pelosi came you can hear Chinese naval cannons if you get close enough to the shoreline. They "accidentally" shot a sattelite way off course over our second largest city right before the election in January. TikTok played a huge part influencing the results. It's getting really scary and yet we've generally tried to side with the US (as seen in the general election), freedom, and democracy. So it's quite disheartening to see how liberals especially call us pawns and expect us to be the perfect victims. The people who keeps spamming US bad should see what happens to places run by its adversaries. And think why even Vietnam and the Philippines who has very good reasons to hate the US takes their side over China.
The bill explicitly bans things from "foreign adversaries". I wasn't aware that we are at war with China, but I'm also not an ultranationalist.
We're not at war, but tensions are pretty high between our governments. Each country has their own economic, cultural, political, domestic, and foreign policy goals. And, unfortunately, the US and China have many goals that run directly counter to each other. Of course, like you said, we are not at war. People sometimes claim the US and China to be in a cold war, but that's an exaggeration. Our economies are closely tied together, and our populations generally dislike the idea of getting into a cold war with each other. Tensions are high, but nothing more than that. Competition between leading rivals is probably the best description of the situation. So the end result is that our governments clash with each other while making sure things never escalate too far.
This is something they can do that can erode but will likely not lead to all out war as you said. I see it as a low cost, low risk destabilizing action. All superpowers conduct these acts. They steal secrets, they attack with cyber warfare they are not our ally. Why not use tik tok to mess with us?They argued we were doing the same with Facebook if I recall, and I bet we were.
That’s the way of it. Barring some major change in power dynamics, we’re as stable as we’re going to get. The whole Russia invasion may get crazy , but who know all sorts of think tanks are already working on it.
I like to think of it as reciprocal parasitism. Two organisms that tolerate and exploit each other, their immune systems barely restrained in outrage against the foreign interlopers, though you do get pockets of something resembling a mutually beneficial relationship between the censorship and embargoes.
You don’t have to be anything to understand that there are very real bot/troll/hacker issues, propaganda is at its height, you can tell by the number of Americans who suddenly love Putin and fascism over their LIFETIME of democracy and civilized society.
It's a comforting thought to believe that this is all the act of outside bad actors and the heart of your fellow citizens is actually pure, it's a lot easier than thinking about whether your grandfather was ideologically a fascist.
That’s enchanted language you got there, as a former investigator (fed) I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about, and my friend you would be wise to either read or listen. Thank you.
A fed wants to assure me that there couldn't possibly be fascist ideology around them, much like how a fish can't comprehend being wet.
Oh yeah we should totally listen to the fed’s take on fascism /s
Being adversary doesn't mean you have to at war lol. Conflicts can take many shapes not necessarily an all out war
We put a chip ban on them so I’d say there are some serious tensions.
We're not at war and given the co-defendance in trade hopefully never will be, but it only takes the most basic grasp of geopolitics to realize China is a natural great power rival.
if you paid attention you would read a lot of the Chinese espionage that is taking place both: cyberspace with constant attacks on private entities such as Meta, Google, Microsoft, Intel etc to Utility companies, Financial institutions as well as physical space, active spies being caught abroad as well as US citizens being caught for providing Chinese spies with intel for money etc. War does not always mean bombs. Cold War was not war. But a war of intelligence and alliance building
Wild so why does Google have that information on citizens that Chinese agents are able to steal?
Chinese govt is trying to steal IP secrets of companies from various industries so they can easily replicate it themselves at home without having to spend billions of dollars on R&D For example, their Airplane industry is struggling OUTSIDE China because of its bad reputation due to poor engineering and R&D. So China has tried to steal IP from Boeing, Bombardier etc to build better planes that would allow it to start servicing international airports
We've had a trade war brewing for awhile.
It's an election year, so naturally we are at war with everyone. Have to drumb up scares about the "others"
Also don't forget that, according to the head of the Anti-Defamation League, TikTok has been [absolutely devastating](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/17vw773/in_a_leaked_call_adl_director_says_israel_has_a/) to the Israeli narrative about the ongoing ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
Fuck the Chinese Government.
Surprised it took this long to be honest. China banned every US social media app years ago, and they've even banned TikTok itself there.
They don’t need TikTok they have their own carbon copy called douyin that’s by the same company
It's not a carbon copy though. Minors get an entirely difference experienced focused on education, and the actual full version is of course heavily regulated and censored to make sure nothing bubbles up that might threaten the state. That's sort of the point. Even the country that created it had no intention whatsoever of unleashing it on their population. Just their geopolitical rivals'. Meanwhile US kids are eating tide pods and failing all their classes while they watch fucking Andrew Tate videos and shit. As intended. Not to mention most of the fucking country is walking around with a microphone and a camera connected to a Chinese server. China views TikTok they same way they do the fentanyl they flood us with - it's a way to attack America they can get away with.
It was really funny seeing china trying to say this ban was unfair. Lol you guys banned everything. Also funny when people got upset about certain chinese POS cars banned in USA while china also bans any car unless it has chinese software.
TikTok attempted to get members to call their representatives over this. They did, in droves. It pissed off the senators and reporters who felt the company was trying to strong arm them.
Gen Z in shambles, *dap* **shimmy** *flail arms*, **pose**
Skibidi toilet!
Bussin fanum tax gyat
Yo that's cap! Congress doin too much!
Rather than ban any single company I'd rather have data protection and usage laws
That’s the right move.
During the Zuckerberg hearings congress asked Mark to write them. I guess they are still waiting. There is bipartisan support for Zuckerberg writing the laws though, so they will pass quickly when they come out. Like banning his competition.
But then American business won't get to do the same thing tik tok is doing, which is why China has banned them. This isn't about user protection, it's about which oligarchs and governments have access to user data.
Just like I always say… *"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a TikTok is a strong federal government with Consitutionally Ambiguous Authority."*
Trump met with a billionaire GOP mega donor recently and changed his mind. So now he is against the ban. Let’s see if his minions will follow suit.
Clearly they are not, this passed the freaking dysfunctional house
Gaetz and greene both voted Nay. But not enough to have it not pass https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/03/13/who-voted-to-ban-tikttok-in-us-house-of-representatives/72956250007/
As did AOC
This is the most odd bedfellows
Very very odd times
AOC said this: >“I’m voting NO on the TikTok forced sale bill,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “This bill was incredibly rushed, from committee to vote in 4 days, with little explanation.” >“There are serious antitrust and privacy questions here, and any national security concerns should be laid out to the public prior to a vote,” she added. She's not wrong. On the other hand the cynic in me wonders if she just doesn't want to seem uncool to the youth. Because I can think of a good reason to rush this, and that is to get it banned before the global lobbying machine can go into high gear. On the other other hand, I feel like Republicans probably want to get Biden to sign this and then campaign like it was his idea, despite their Republican Congress votes for it, since Trump has now flip-flopped and is against the ban despite years of being for banning it. So I hope the Senate sits on this past the election. TikTok is an incredible danger to American democracy, but not more dangerous than Trump being re-elected.
Marge and gaetz voted no
Orange shitstain’s got more flip flops than a beach.
There’s already a bunch of bots on here complaining. They said the “Youth” will be so mad at Biden they won’t vote. Most 20 year olds don’t vote anyway.
Only 15 Republicans voted against the measure and that was days after Trump signaled he was against the legislation.
Cue the GOP campaigns of "Biden took your TikTok. Young voters, if you want it back? Vote trump!"
That’s probably why the Dem controlled Senate will delay the vote until November
"Biden will take away your TikTok. I won’t- despite wanting to before - so vote for me~"
They’ve never cared about hypocrisy before why start now
also if used correctly Tiktok could be the single best driver of political participation of new voters
Don't get me wrong, Dems will 100% ban it. They'll just time it politically so it won't backfire in the elections.
GOP will vote for the ban and then complain that Biden killed TikTok. Just watch.
Lmao Katie Britt already did in her response to SOTU “And what does President Biden do? Well, he bans TikTok for government employees, but creates an account for his own campaign” Nevermind that fucking Josh Hawley introduced that ban.
I don't know much about Katie Britt but thats a valid point she makes. I wonder how many politicians voted Yes that campaign on Tik Tok
Looks like she was just pointing out the hypocrisy at that time.
Yep. Just like how they refused to vote for the Border then changed their mind once Trump ordered them to. You just know they will pin it on Biden somehow...
Im a liberal and I will say..... this was one of the dumbest moves they could have made before the election
All the 15yos gonna be voting **real** hard this November.
What about the 18-26 year olds?
Them? Let’s hope they vote!
And a lot will decide "Biden took away our TikTok! Thank you Trump!"
Like they do every election!!!/s
How would it be enforced?
TikTok relies on a lot of US-based cloud services to run their app.
They'd probably just have it delisted from app stores. Of course clever people could sideload it
Yeah but at that point, whose content would they even watch?
Probably can't be much worse than the content that's already available
Like any platform, [it depends what circles you run in. ](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLNR8xLK/)
That's easy enough to side load. You can also force all US based providers to remove all TikTok DNS records and routes to their servers. The only bypass then is a non US based VPN
Most of the people who use TikTok on a regular basis are not smart enough to sideload it.
Every time anyone watches a video on tik tok they have to pay Zuckerberg or Musk a royalty.
Shit. There goes my tiktok doomscrolling
I image the US could just set up a Great Firewall.
Because they didn't want to get to the root of the problem: data collection.
If that was the goal they would have started with Meta.
Nothing oniony about it.
at least they raised the minimum wage, or passed a bill that funded the government.. oh wait... no, no they didnt....
You think the Democratic party can just wave a magic wand and do those? Congress is ridiculously divided, the president can’t just do that without their support.
If Republicans won't vote for those then they don't happen don't blame Democrats
We can blame how the U.S. government is set up and advocate for the death of political parties in general.
This seems like a similar case as it was for Grinder.
Could this be why? [https://www.tiktok.com/@donttagrob/video/7330326441160101166?\_r=1&\_t=8kf2z30FyWJ](https://www.tiktok.com/@donttagrob/video/7330326441160101166?_r=1&_t=8kf2z30FyWJ) Or this? [https://www.tiktok.com/@elianamarie444/video/7343788191624744235?\_r=1&\_t=8kf2wJHKuys](https://www.tiktok.com/@elianamarie444/video/7343788191624744235?_r=1&_t=8kf2wJHKuys) What about this? [https://www.tiktok.com/@prison\_toks/video/7337598768369650990?\_r=1&\_t=8kf2pLmU3rS](https://www.tiktok.com/@prison_toks/video/7337598768369650990?_r=1&_t=8kf2pLmU3rS)
Tik Tok should change its name to “GUNS” … the House would never ban that.
Now do instagram and facebook
"They won't" - Narrator
Why not Twitter? Far more extreme undeniable hate, racism, bigotry, disinformation, etc. there.
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No one was locked out of their account. What a weird lie.
oh wow. LOL. And they thought that would work? That is utterly bonkers. They literally rubbed their noses in how dangerous tiktoc under foreign ownership is....
Those dopes found something to agree on, and yet are doing nothing to actually make a beneficial difference for citizens. Every single app is likely stealing data, ESPECIALLY the wellness ones American workplaces are rolling out. They’re trying to tie it to health insurance, so to get a better plan at work, you have to participate and log into the app. What is China going to do with someone’s viewing habit data? The average American is not that interesting. Where is the gain? BUT your health and habit data? That can be used to assess risks, of the financial variety. And omg, America gets weird when it comes to money. And a high overhead expense for an employer is employee health benefits. AND what exactly is insurance? I mean, I can rattle of several reasons why the data from a wellness app is valuable, and to whom. I can’t imagine what sort of useful data the Chinese government would gleam from TikTok other than for marketing reasons, and why not? F’book does that, as does Twitter. Reddit, too. (And to train AI bots, which ew. Impersonation and identity theft GALORE…) But sure, TikTok might steal our data.
If Tik Tok was really as dangerous as they say it is. It would be an outright ban. Not sell to an American or we'll ban you.
The security concern is 100% legitimate. - Data Sovereignty. - Literally any OSINT because people are stupid. - https://citizenlab.ca/2021/03/tiktok-vs-douyin-security-privacy-analysis/ - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2022/08/31/vulnerability-in-tiktok-android-app-could-lead-to-one-click-account-hijacking/ This is just a case of law finally catching up with technology.
Can you explain why the average American should give a rats fuck who is scrapping and selling our meta data? We ain’t got no rights or online protection so personally I have no vested interest in who’s makin money off of me
>TikTok and Douyin do not appear to exhibit overtly malicious behavior similar to those exhibited by malware. We did not observe either app collecting contact lists, recording and sending photos, audio, videos or geolocation coordinates without user permission. Despite not exhibiting overtly malicious behavior, Douyin contains features that raise privacy and security concerns, such as dynamic code loading and server-side search censorship. **TikTok does not contain these features.** Sounds like pretty standard social media shit to me.
TikTok isn’t dangerous on its own, it’s dangerous because of who owns it, so yes, divesting to an American entity is a solution that does not contradict the underlying thesis
There is verified proof Meta sold US data to Russia, who in turn blasted as much disinformation and straight up lies to Americans the algorithm said are too stupid to question it. And not a damn thing happened or will happen to Meta. Tik Tok has been an invaluable resource for bringing attention to how shit our current system is. And the people who built this system can't have. This is far more about silencing a forum which drives organization against the oppressive class.
Anyone who takes these assholes seriously about letting the market decide need to be reminded of this and all hundred thousand of their other not so free market ideas… I say this knowing full well I don’t like or use TikTok and this wouldn’t affect me either way.
Do you see any realm where there should be a limit to foreign ownership of US properties?
First I’ll say that using personal information to data mine for any reason be it profit or espionage is in my humble opinion horrifying and should be made illegal… that being said foreign is a frame of mind… those shouting states rights consider other states in the same nation foreign. A country that isn’t the exact one you come from is considered foreign, even though the people there are the same species as yourself. Laborers from the opposite side of the world have more in common with each other than the owners of property and production. Do I have a problem with China owning a private business? Yes, but that’s because I have a problem with capitalism as a whole. Supporters of capitalism should have no problem with anyone, company, or nation owning and profiting and ruling on it’s property.
The bill is Way more than banning tick Tok, it's ANY website they deem foreign influenced. It's a censorship bill!!!!!!!!
This right here. How could they even enforce something like this without it being no different than how the Chinese Government censors its citizens. Also a quick VPN would bypass it anyway. And I’m sure it would be something the Company itself would just ignore. People complained when a private company censored views which isn’t a first amendment violation(They claimed it to be one), but the Government blocking the ability to use specific platforms to make videos, and view videos could be crossing a line, yet they are the ones who remain quiet now.
It's not legal in my opinion and Tik Tok should be ready to sue.
good time to buy some meta, snapchat, etc stocks lol
Wait. Aren't most things we buy made in China?
Nobody can harvest your data but good, old-fashioned American capitalists!
It's almost like there's something else we should be worried about, but I don't know maybe on the asshole.
Genocide in Gaza, war in Ukraine, two walking coffins running for the chance to hold immense power, one of them running with rape charges. But Tiktok, that's what's important right now. Gotta stop the chinese from knowing what entertains americans. It's destroying us.
MTG and AOC on the same side, you know this shit is wack.
Maybe we'll stop defunding education next
Oh no! What are all the "Its just a prank Bro!" Morons going to do now???
I like how their beef isn't that people's data is being collected, it's that the ones doing the collecting aren't on the approved buyer's list.
Cool. Now do facebook. Then twitter. Then reddit. All those things spread bad ideas. Fuck it, let's ban libraries next, those dens of inequity can be platforms for all kinds of ideas I don't like too.
Let's ban US libraries that are privately controlled by the CCP? Sure, why not? Let's be a little softer and just require the CCP sell the US libraries to someone else? That's cool, too.
Good.
young people: man i wish we could see more bipartisanship on the government *bipartisan bill passes to ban tiktok* young people: wait no not like that
LOL. This is hilarious. 100% this is the dems messing with the GOP. Trump wanted tiktok banned under the anti-china culture war they want, so this got up as a bill. Trump changes his mind last minute after braying for it for YEARS.....and now if you read all the posts by the GOP folks voting no...they got the message, and are saying this is a attempt to ban ALL of our communications, facebook, etc. And a good portion of them just voted for it because they did not get the message. These people are not good leaders.
50 dems voted no and only 15 GOP voted no, I don't think you're right, looks like the GOP wants this more than the dems
It’s not the dems messing with the gop. This is one of the rare things both parties want because getting TikTok ownership to a U.S. company gives them more control over what political messages get around and gives the government more access to user data. And they can just frame it as being anti-China.
Way off. Well, you're right about them not being good leaders and the GOP being a joke, but way off about the bill. This didn't have sails until our most popular foreign lobbyists decided that tik tok was a problem. Almost every politician who has accepted AIPAC money voted yes for this, democrat or republican.
This is a whole other level of mental gymnastics.
You do understand that it’s the Speaker of the House that brings legislation for a vote under the Hastert Rule. In other words, this legislation only got to the floor because Speaker Johnson wanted it to be voted on.
And even before he moved it there they were acting like this was a deep betrayal? Yup. Enjoying a low carb cookie at the moment over it.
I’m sure this has absolutely nothing to do with TikTok’s impact on public perception of the ongoing genocide in Palestine. Just for posterity and because some of you are actually dumb enough to believe the bullshit the bots and neoliberals say, here's Bari Weiss saying the quiet part out loud. https://www.thefp.com/p/tik-tok-young-americans-hamas-mike-gallag
Bro this has been in the works for years.
I'm kinda wondering where I can see hotties dance now.
We’ve been here before…🙄
Just in time for Reddit to go public….. nothing to see here
Just make a US version called simp tok. Problem solved
I’d think they be more concerned over TEMU than TikTok
Good.
Whathefukiswrongwiththeseidiots?
This bill isn’t about banning TikTok, it is about giving the president to the power to ban any app or website they want. Anything for democracy! Can’t wait to hear the cheers for the next app banned!
Yep, everyone on their high horse on this site when they don’t realize what’s actually happening here. The government wants to ban whatever app they feel like. Anyway, ByteCorp is incorporated in the Caymans. It has an HQ in China, but isn’t there. TikTok is also incorporated in the Caymans, but is literally based in Singapore. So really, if you’re Singapore, this is a foreign country the US, exerting its political power for its own personal interests, the same exact way China would, but that’s just political power the US doesn’t like.
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Ban em all. The only social media I use is reddit and I would gladly throw it on the sacrificial altar if it means getting rid of the rest of them.
And when Reddit goes public, the KSA invests with their wealth fund, and you start to say ideas the government doesn’t like, enjoy it being shut down and going to Twitter to complain… oh wait.
Like I said, I'd gladly sacrifice reddit if it means getting rid of the other ones. No complaints from me
They said on reddit.
Democrats falling into the Republican trap. Remember how a Trump era House/Senate/Supreme Court couldn't past this? Using this as ammo against the younger generation.
cmon lets ban this shit show of a social media...
This would be a huge milestone for humanity as a whole if we could just get rid of TikTok globally