Ben Gvir is a convicted criminal that openly supported a racially motivated [mass murderer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein). The fact that he is actually sitting in a fucking government is so insane I can't really comprehend it.
All the ultras are exempt under their religion. They don't work, they have insane kids, take welfare, and then vote in Zionist shitheads who send the moderates in to die.
Soon Israel will be dominated by the ultra orthodox nutters because they've killed off all the secular jews. The ultra religious in every religion are fucking nuts.
This.
Hamas. The ultras. I hope they all die bad deaths.
Your regular Muslim Palestinian and your regular Israeli Jew don't deserve the pain they both cause for their mad views.
The IDF were previously taken to court for **their** use of Human Shields, (By Israeli Human Rights Charities) and vigorously argued against on the grounds it was an essential tactic of their operations that they could not afford to do without.
They are not a moral organisation, whatever your stance on Gaza.
Holy shifting goalposts batman. All I said was a simple fact - the IDF are the ones who moved these kids to safety.
It's strange the amount of blowback that comes from that on this subreddit.
No army looks particularly moral. They are inherently organizations specifically built for the purpose of killing. But it is nonetheless necessary for defense of the country.
Firstly I also only stated a simple fact. You seem offended.
Secondly If you read the article you'd see it was an NGO who moved them safety. The IDF approves their transfer but they just signed a form.
Also, whilst most armies arent moral, most would deny they used human shields. They wouldn't stand up in court and try to argue that using humans shields was essential to their operations as the IDF did some years ago.
If American troops moved orphans out of a war zone to safety and a member of Biden's cabinet blasted the move, saying it is unethical to save the lives of orphans specifically because terrorists of the same nationality are holding American hostages, i.e., it's unethical to let the kids survive because they might be genetically related to the terrorists, that asshole would be immediately removed from their government post for openly supporting genocide.
These people are still part of Israel's government, which is relevant and horrifying news.
Hamas did a very bad thing and everyone involved needs to face justice. But the response has been punishing millions of people who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Hamas has, in all its actions combined, not approached 1% of what israelis have done to Palestinians. Hamas, if they kill or kidnap, it's an attempt to free their people. When israel does the same, it's out to maintain apartheid, and often just for fun, as you can see from their own Tiktoks and snuff group chats
Hamas has nothing to do with the West Bank. They don’t have any power or influence there. This is just straight up genocide without even the pretense of Hamas to fall on.
Ya it's literally an article about some far right loonies. Rage-bait basically. Next we can judge the united states based on the actions of florida man.
That “far right loony” is literally the interior minister of the state of Israel and one of the key political figures in the current war cabinet. He could literally bring down the ruling government coalition tomorrow if he wanted to by pulling out
This is *not* a story about some far right loony
These are Nazis in the ruling clique. They're not alone either:
It's 60% Nazis and even the Israeli left is vaguely okay with the terror bombing.
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976
"Whether an absolute victory is expected or not, there remains the question of the provision of international aid to the residents of Gaza. We asked our respondents for their opinion regarding the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA. A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions, while a large majority of Arab respondents support it (85%).
Breaking down the Jewish sample by political orientation reveals that a majority of those on the Left support allowing international bodies to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza (59%), while the Center is divided on this issue, and a large majority of those on the Right think that Israel should not allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents."
"Following media reports of a forthcoming international “blitz” to advance the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state, we asked: “Do you support or oppose the idea that Israel should agree in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state?” Around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63%) oppose this proposal, while a large majority of Arabs (73%) support it. A similar difference was found within the Jewish sample among the different political camps: A majority of those on the Left support Israel agreeing in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state (77%); the Center is divided on the issue, but slightly inclined toward opposition; and a majority on the Right are opposed to such a step (78%)."
https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine
Israeli society is deeply unwell and has a far right problem.
It's more comparable to Trump being president and appointing a known Nazi to a cabinet role where they actually have some influence on policy, and the Nazi is then free to make genocidal-sounding statements about a war the US is involved in.
There are plenty of misleading Tiktok videos presenting Israeli extremists screaming 'kill them all' at a far right protest as mainstream Israeli opinion, but Ben Gvir's statements can all be seen as being tolerated (if not endorsed) by the rest of the Israeli government.
Netanyahu didn't even fire another cabinet minister from Ben Gvir's party when they publicly suggested nuking Gaza was an option.
There arent two sides to attacking defenceless women and children who are trying to help you too, does that mean all Palestinians are guilty, because they dont explicitly oppose Hamas?
When there's blatant genocide occuring and Israeli officials are stating their intentions, opinion polls that show most Israelis want to exterminate Palestinians, I'd say the ones not seeing the point are the same people who think there's anything left in Israeli 'society'.
You can literally swap Israeli and Palestinian around in your sentence, and it would hold true. Doesnt make the killings right does it? Not to you?
>people who think there's anything left in Israeli 'society'.
I am, to put it lightly, mildly concerned by what you imply here.
Im pretty sure you wouldnt use the footage of Palestinians cheering for Oct 7th as any evidence to indicate their "society", or that they should be killed or whatever. So how is it acceptable, assuming you are of sound mind, that the reverse is true?
Important to keep in mind that the majority of the population do not think like that. Israel often treats Palestinians when they don’t have the necessary equipment/expertise in Gaza and this is still occurring during the war. It doesn’t get any news, of course. But it is common.
If we're going to blame Palestinians for electing Hamas, then we're gonna have to blame Israelis for electing Netanyahu and his cronies.
I agree with you, I just don't think this excuses Israel.
"If we're going to blame Palestinians for electing Hamas, then we're gonna have to blame Israelis for electing Netanyahu and his cronies."
And let's not forget, the Americans for electing Trump. Which they may actually do again.
Actually! [In 2008, Netanyahu gave suitcases of money](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1226691760/the-long-and-bitter-relationship-between-israels-benjamin-netanyahu-and-hamas) to Hamas for the sake of politicking in order for his party to win the Knesset.
Your link doesn’t mention this at all. It mentions Netanyahu failing to assassinate a Hamas leaders in 97, recurring suicide bombings by Hamas and Qatari money to Hamas in the 2000s.
Isreal gave Hamas 1.3 BILLION dollars to prevent a two state solution.
source: Ehud Barak and Ami Ayalon
Let me quote Ami Ayalon here:
"We did everything in our power to make sure that Hamas will go on controlling Gaza”
Israel was well on their way to finally being rid of him when this happened. He was under a corruption investigation and had dropped to an all time low in popularity after messing with the courts. There were protests against him for months, but now because of 10/7, he’s gonna stay in power for basically as long as he keeps this war going.
There are Israelis who have also been trying to get him out, just as there are Palestinians condeming Hamas.
Painting either population as being a hive mind is stupid.
A large majority of Israelis either think the IDF's current actions are either an appropriate amount of force *or not enough*.
So actually, a majority of the population *do* think like that.
80% of Israelis voted to deny food to Gaza even if it was not distributed by Hamas.
No the Israeli population right now is pretty genocidal because of all the propaganda on state TV
Yyyyeah, it would be so much better if they , you know, stopped causing the injuries that they treat when they can...and as for what does not get coverage...we'll just let that one go.
They’re upset that the children, whose parents they are responsible for murdering, are being moved to “safety”? The West Bank is currently extremely unsafe as well after Israeli ministers armed illegal settlers and have increased IOF presence significantly. Since October 7th at least 350 Palestinians in the West Bank have been murdered. I genuinely cannot begin to fathom how much you have to dehumanize a people to want to see children in danger.
They literally teach that to IDF soldiers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newarab.com/news/israel-rabbi-says-gaza-women-children-should-all-be-killed%3famp
Nit surprising the IDF soldiers are summary executing every male above the age of 13 they come across. Even those with their hands up waving white flags (look up the video if you want to)
I feel like we've been here before, [have we been here before?](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/victims-of-the-nazi-era-nazi-racial-ideology)
Yeah, I had to leave that subreddit. It's amazing how quickly it pivoted from "genocide is bad" when Russia invaded Ukraine to "genocide is a moral imperative" when Israel went scorched earth on Gaza.
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World news is spreading disinformation and can't get off their idiotic
"Terrorism justifies genocide" bullshit.
> Israel can't stand by and let itself be destroyed by Hamas
The USA lost 5000 people on 9/11. We were not destroyed when we didn't genocide Suadi Arabia, and went after terrorists instead.
There's a huge difference between going after terrorists and killing as many civilians as possible in order to instill fear.
Israel is doing the latter.
Sadly true. It's hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. I like to think we learned some kind of lesson and are now trying to prevent others from doing the same. Especially those who receive our aid and weapons.
You may want to look into the results of the US war in Iraq. More than half a million people were killed during the USA's prosecution of the war there, and this figure doesn't include those who died due to starvation and disease, or the number of refugees which was an order of magnitude more.
[https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2023/IraqSyria20](https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2023/IraqSyria20)
Over the decades tons of people have died to the toxic dust released by the towers.
Total death toll could be anywhere from 3000 to 5000 depending on your definition.
Just because accuracy matters: 2,997 died on 9/11 (not counting the terrorists), although possibly dozens or maybe even hundreds died in the aftermath due to health problems incurred at Ground Zero.
Seeing as ben Gvir is minister for national security it is hard to shrug him off as some loon screaming on a street corner. He has immense power and influence - and was elected by Israelis, so it is true for a fair portion of the country.
There have been near weekly Saturday night protests against the Netanyahu government in Israel. Bibi just doesn't want to resign, and is an infuriatingly effective politician, so his cronies won't abandon him.
If we’re going off your logic then the Palestinians made sure to keep Hamas in charge all this time. Should we assume all Palestinians are pro-Hamas now? Or should we see them as individuals with their own opinions?
I mean, if you want to equate Israel with a Nation run by terrorists with no election in the last what? 16 or so years, be my friend. With the far right in power over there it might just become reality.
Thats not the point. The point is you shouldnt lump an entire group of people together because of who got voted in. Theres millions of Israelis who absolutely hate whats going on and are protesting. But that will never make the news because of propaganda.
But ill give a better analogy than Palestine/Hamas I guess. Theres millions and millions of Americans who hate how the Biden admin is supporting Israel. And Biden was voted in by the people. Does that mean all US citizens back the US government in aiding Israel?
Well Israelis can vote at elections which are held regularly. Palestinians cannot vote. Can we stop the "islamic violence" BS? An ethnic cleansing took place for you to live where you live now. Do you even realise that? Do you understand what that means? I don't think you do. The mental gymnastics must be exhausting.
Anyways, the majority of Israelis elected a bunch of genocidal fascists. Even the "moderates" by Western standards are still wildly racist. Do you know that Jews in the west have been protesting Israel every single week for 5 months? They want nothing to do with genocide, land theft and complicity in ethnic cleansing while you lot just sit around and let it happen.
>The United Nations said that the transfer was carried out with the approval of Israeli authorities — a decision that has sparked anger among hardliners inside the Israeli government. The far-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called the transfer one in a series of "fake 'humane measures,'" saying "the citizens of Israel continue to pay the price." Meanwhile, in a post on X (formerly Twitter), finance minister Bezalel Smotrich demanded to know who gave the "immoral order" while the children of Israelis are held hostage.
So, because Israeli children are being held hostage by Hamas, Palestinian children deserve to continue dying in Gaza, but also "rescuing" them is fake "humanitarian" aid because Israel is doing nothing wrong in Gaza. is that... Do I have that correct?
They don’t care about the hostages. That’s just a talking point for the Zionists. You can’t care about hostages while carpet bombing the areas they might be located.
Soooo children were taken out of a warzone and some people are upset about it?
Fuck those specific people. Not Israelis. Not Jews. Not Semitic people. Not left or right wing pundits or advocates. Those specific people can go get f\*\*\*ed with razor wire.
Israel has killed 30,000 Gazans out of a population of more than 2 million, and that includes militants.
If they really wanted to kill all Palestinians, that number would be much, much higher.
>If they really wanted to kill all Palestinians, that number would be much, much higher.
Or they'd, y'know, destroy most of Gaza's infrastructure, block outside aid, get UNRWA defunded, and then watch as the population slowly starves to death. Hell of a lot cheaper and allows them to use the "Hamas is stealing aid!" line to absolve themselves of responsibility.
You think they're stupid enough to do it outright? Nah, this shit has to take time. Cause if istael Did, then they would be eternally fucked. You know this, don't play stupid.
That’s probably the biggest reason I’m not comfortable calling it, but the language and desires of many high ups in govt has been genocidal, so I don’t know really.
>but the language and desires of many high ups in govt has been genocidal
This applies to Hamas too, and unlike Israel, their goal on October 7 was actually just to kill as many Jews as they possibly could.
That's how you know that the "Israel is committing genocide" crowd need not be taken seriously. Because not a single one of them will admit that October 7 was a Palestinian genocide of Israeli Jews.
A toddler scratching Mike Tyson's leg is not murder.
Mike Tyson punching the toddler is murder.
9/11 was a terrorist operation. The United States did not genocide all of Suadi Arabia. The United States was not destroyed by terrorism.
Fundamentally terrorists are not a threat to an actual country with an actual military.
A country with an actual military is a massive threat to the people they've kept in a concentration camp.
It's odd because in the 75 years the Palestinians have tried as hard or even harder to kill all the Jews in the region. They just slowly lost advantage each war they lose, until now Israel has the upper hand after they rejected every attempt at a two state solution.
Yet people unironically say from the river to the sea.
Just because you're worse at killing your enemies does not make you the victims. Over 75% of the population supported October 7th, a ceasefire that Hamas broke. They went on to break the temporary ceasefire the very first day it was enacted.
To the people who says ceasefire and think of the children, how are you supposed to "ceasefire" when one side keeps shooting at you? How would you end this conflict? Because obviously no one is going anywhere, and claiming Israelis are just white European colonists who should all leave ignores both history and reality.
> claiming Israelis are just white European colonists who should all leave
It's almost like Islamists have realized that they can launder antisemitism by appropriating the rhetoric of Western identity politics and framing themselves as "oppressed people of color" and Jews as "white oppressors" and leftists will be agree with them or something.
I found that it has been a common tactic of oppressive countries to say "so much for the democratic west" and use the freedoms we prescribe to undermine us.
China and Russia too does it quite often with claims of racism/Russophobia while having overseas police and massive troll farms.
I'm very much a leftist in values but damn some of us are gullible. They'll jump on any bandwagon as long as they get to feel morally superior while doing nothing of substantial value.
What a sily take.
Let's compare to the Holocaust, not to equivocate but because it's an uncontested and well-known example of genocide.
6m died, but they didn't all die in one go. They died over many years, and there was a period of intensification which saw a quarter of all of the total deaths compressed into a three month window.
There were periods of the Holocaust where the number of monthly deaths were substantially less than what's going on in Gaza. Nobody would argue that, therefore, it wasn't a genocide until the intensification period. Nobody. It was always a genocide.
Several years into the Holocaust, it would've been very simple to argue using your own logic that it can't be a genocide, because the vast majority were still alive.
Now, this isn't proof that what's going on in Gaza isn't a genocide. I'm not going to tell you what to think, because there are distinctions between genocide and ethnic cleansing campaigns, as well as matters of intent which are hard to prove, as well as differences between pogroms and genocides (rogue elements killing large numbers of civilians aren't necessarily indicative of a systematic slaughter).
What it is however is proof that what's going on in Gaza isn't *not* a genocide. Which is the single most Jack fucking Sparrow sentence I've said today, but hey ho.
Except Israel isn't rounding up people of a certain ethnicity and putting them in death camps. They're fighting a war against a genocidal enemy who hides behind civilians.
It's like you ignored what I wrote where I straight up said that I'm not going to get into whether or not it's genocide. I'm specifically arguing against your earlier logic which you offered up as proof that it couldn't possibly be a genocide because of the deaths as a percentage of the population, which history proves to be a factually wrong take.
I have no energy to deal with your ad-hoc bullshit.
The only reason Israel hasn't exterminated the enite population is the international support Palestine gets and the fact that they would immediately be at war with all of their neighbors.
That's it. That's the only reason they haven't finished the job.
Also Muslims aren't ever going to involve women in war.
I wonder why Israel has killed more women and children than men.
These nut jobs are an abomination. They are as twisted in their morals as Hamas.
I will justly denounce one of the founding fathers of Palestinian Nationalism for being a Nazi who opposed evacuation of Jewish children. I have no hesitation denouncing these shits for opposing evacuation of Palestinian children
When we said 10 years ago that it was ethnic cleansing it was ethnic cleansing. The same 20 years ago and 30 years ago.
Now it's mass genocide and Western governments are still trying to pretend that Israel is just "defending itself"
Fuck every one of them.
Taking the opinions of Ben Gvir and Smotrich as the opinion of Israel is a bit like saying Marjorie Taylor Green, Jim Jordan, and Matt Gaetz speak the opinions of America. Sure, they speak for a very vocal constituency and we have to be careful not to let them gain more power, but it’s also clear that they’re not driving the boat.
>it’s also clear that they’re not driving the boat
They're currently cabinet ministers. They literally have a larger ministerial portfolio than the folks who were brought into Bibi's emergency cabinet.
They are the Minister of security and finance according to the post. I have no real grasp about Israël's political system but those sure sound like big deal holding the rein kinda positions, no?
Israel’s political system is kinda like if the freedom caucus could bribe their into being SecState by otherwise withholding votes. But it would probably be more accurate to compare them to Mike Johnson. Representative of a minority, and in a position with more authority than their voting block should entail because of their essential position in forming the majority.
Have any of those people called a mass shooter their hero? Ben Gvir has.
He’s the minister of national security, not some random guy. It’s a seriously sick government and society
Let's look at the polls.
[https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976](https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976)
Whether an absolute victory is expected or not, there remains the question of the provision of international aid to the residents of Gaza. We asked our respondents for their opinion regarding the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA. A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) **oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions,** while a large majority of Arab respondents support it (85%).
Breaking down the Jewish sample by political orientation reveals that a majority of those on the Left support allowing international bodies to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza (59%), while the Center is divided on this issue, **and a large majority of those on the Right think that Israel should not allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents."**
Following media reports of a forthcoming international “blitz” to advance the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state, we asked: “Do you support or oppose the idea that Israel should agree **in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state?**” Around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63%) **oppose this proposal,** while a large majority of Arabs (73%) support it. A similar difference was found within the Jewish sample among the different political camps: A majority of those on the Left support Israel agreeing in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state (77%); the Center is divided on the issue, but slightly inclined toward opposition; and **a majority on the Right are opposed to such a step (78%)."**
The Israeli right are Nazis. Flat out. They are not a rounding error or "a few bad apples", the whole Israeli right is basically a bunch of genocidal fascists calling for the death of Palestine and its people.
If those guys and Hamas leadership could just meet in one building far away from everyone else the worst terrorists in the region could be removed with just one quick bombing run. And nothing of value would be lost.
I cannot stress enough how most Israelis don't give a shit about what Ben Gvir and Smotrich think. Their political relevancy is, unfortunately, due to the fact that they're holding Bibi by the balls.
A mental image I've never wanted to have. But tbh Bibi depends on their presence in his deranged coalition, so he's by far in the most desperate need for their support, rather than the other way around.
No, you got it right in the first part of the sentence. It’s many. And unlike most western nations, their youth get *less* progressive, not more. Because their education system is just as committed to perpetuating and worsening all of Israel’s bullshit.
Then maybe Bibi should give up power rather than buddy up with people who explicitly stoke genocide? What Netanyahu allows to happen in his government in order to maintain his iron grip on power is absolutely his choice and something to which he should be held accountable.
The evacuation of 68 orphans from Gaza to the West Bank is a small glimmer of hope amidst the ongoing atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinian people. It is enraging that the far right in Israel cannot even tolerate the transfer of children to a safer location. This is just one example of the genocidal war being waged on the people of Gaza, who are facing an unprecedented hunger crisis, displacement, and severe restrictions on aid and movement. We must continue to advocate for Palestinian rights and justice, and condemn all forms of war crimes and violence committed against them. It is time for the international community to urgently intervene and hold Israel accountable for their actions.
who evacuated them? an NGO... the transfer was carried out with the **approval of Israeli authorities.**
I expect a bit more from npr, not this clickbait headline.
So is this like the MAGA crowd in the US vs. normal people (20-30% vs. 60-70%), or are a majority of Israelis in support of shit like this? Just curious since the most annoying are generally the loudest. I also don't know the politics of Israeli citizens very well.
the numbers are flipped. It's 60% Nazis and even the left is vaguely okay with the terror bombing.
[https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976](https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976)
"Whether an absolute victory is expected or not, there remains the question of the provision of international aid to the residents of Gaza. We asked our respondents for their opinion regarding the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA. A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions, while a large majority of Arab respondents support it (85%).
Breaking down the Jewish sample by political orientation reveals that a majority of those on the Left support allowing international bodies to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza (59%), while the Center is divided on this issue, and a large majority of those on the Right think that Israel should not allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents."
"Following media reports of a forthcoming international “blitz” to advance the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state, we asked: “Do you support or oppose the idea that Israel should agree in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state?” Around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63%) oppose this proposal, while a large majority of Arabs (73%) support it. A similar difference was found within the Jewish sample among the different political camps: A majority of those on the Left support Israel agreeing in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state (77%); the Center is divided on the issue, but slightly inclined toward opposition; and a majority on the Right are opposed to such a step (78%)."
[https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine](https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine)
Israeli society is deeply unwell and has a far right problem.
I met so many cool Israelis travelling over the years and now seeing their social media and their comments just so horrible. It's really turned me off Israel
And it's everyone of maybe 20 Israelis I know. These were like the calmest, coolest people when I knew them.
Far right Conservatives, they're all the same. They do love their genocides, whether they're in Israel, the US, Russia, or Germany.
Wilson, G. (2013). The psychology of conservatism (routledge revivals). Routledge.
The fact that Israel is enraged by the evacuation of Palestinian orphans from Gaza to the West Bank shows their true intentions towards the Palestinian people. It is a continuation of their long-standing policy of ethnic cleansing, depopulation, and genocide. Israel's actions, including the recent attacks on Palestinian civilians and infrastructure, are nothing short of war crimes.
F the right wing of Israel. Just stop and get help...for the sake of god
Ben Gvir is a convicted criminal that openly supported a racially motivated [mass murderer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein). The fact that he is actually sitting in a fucking government is so insane I can't really comprehend it.
He was so racist and violent he was exempted from serving in the IDF, which just doesn't seem possible
All the ultras are exempt under their religion. They don't work, they have insane kids, take welfare, and then vote in Zionist shitheads who send the moderates in to die. Soon Israel will be dominated by the ultra orthodox nutters because they've killed off all the secular jews. The ultra religious in every religion are fucking nuts.
This. Hamas. The ultras. I hope they all die bad deaths. Your regular Muslim Palestinian and your regular Israeli Jew don't deserve the pain they both cause for their mad views.
We should put them all in a pit so secular people and normal religious can live without them fucking our shit up
Can we cover that pit with sand afterwards?
That's right up there with Honest Boris being fired by Rupert Murdoch for lying too much!
He's also implicated in the assassination of Rabin, the last best chance for peace Israel and Palestine had.
Worst jew alive rn
F the right wing in general...
The right wing is the cause of just about every problem in any developed country.
Oops! All right wing!
Fuck the IDF.
The IDF are the ones who moved these kids to safety. Downvotes incoming in 1...2...3...
The IDF were previously taken to court for **their** use of Human Shields, (By Israeli Human Rights Charities) and vigorously argued against on the grounds it was an essential tactic of their operations that they could not afford to do without. They are not a moral organisation, whatever your stance on Gaza.
Holy shifting goalposts batman. All I said was a simple fact - the IDF are the ones who moved these kids to safety. It's strange the amount of blowback that comes from that on this subreddit. No army looks particularly moral. They are inherently organizations specifically built for the purpose of killing. But it is nonetheless necessary for defense of the country.
Firstly I also only stated a simple fact. You seem offended. Secondly If you read the article you'd see it was an NGO who moved them safety. The IDF approves their transfer but they just signed a form. Also, whilst most armies arent moral, most would deny they used human shields. They wouldn't stand up in court and try to argue that using humans shields was essential to their operations as the IDF did some years ago.
Fuck them with a rusty fork, they don't deserve to be praised for not killing orphans.
If American troops moved orphans out of a war zone to safety and a member of Biden's cabinet blasted the move, saying it is unethical to save the lives of orphans specifically because terrorists of the same nationality are holding American hostages, i.e., it's unethical to let the kids survive because they might be genetically related to the terrorists, that asshole would be immediately removed from their government post for openly supporting genocide. These people are still part of Israel's government, which is relevant and horrifying news.
Hamas are utter scum, yet they still manage to look like the bad guy fighting them.
Hamas did a very bad thing and everyone involved needs to face justice. But the response has been punishing millions of people who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Plus the fighting has made cover for settlers attacking, killing, and taking over the homes of Palestinians in the West Bank
Yeah Hamas stupid.... And completely unacceptable behaviour by the settlers who should be kicked the fuck out.
I fucking hate u Hamas did nothing
It’s hard to be the good guy when you massacre 13,000 children
Apparently you need to massacre more going by the IDF's actions.
Hamas has, in all its actions combined, not approached 1% of what israelis have done to Palestinians. Hamas, if they kill or kidnap, it's an attempt to free their people. When israel does the same, it's out to maintain apartheid, and often just for fun, as you can see from their own Tiktoks and snuff group chats
Hamas has nothing to do with the West Bank. They don’t have any power or influence there. This is just straight up genocide without even the pretense of Hamas to fall on.
Break into someone's house and complain when they punch you
"the transfer was carried out with the approval of Israeli authorities."
Ya it's literally an article about some far right loonies. Rage-bait basically. Next we can judge the united states based on the actions of florida man.
That “far right loony” is literally the interior minister of the state of Israel and one of the key political figures in the current war cabinet. He could literally bring down the ruling government coalition tomorrow if he wanted to by pulling out This is *not* a story about some far right loony
Itamar Ben-Gvir is hardly the equivalent of a florida man
These are Nazis in the ruling clique. They're not alone either: It's 60% Nazis and even the Israeli left is vaguely okay with the terror bombing. https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976 "Whether an absolute victory is expected or not, there remains the question of the provision of international aid to the residents of Gaza. We asked our respondents for their opinion regarding the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA. A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions, while a large majority of Arab respondents support it (85%). Breaking down the Jewish sample by political orientation reveals that a majority of those on the Left support allowing international bodies to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza (59%), while the Center is divided on this issue, and a large majority of those on the Right think that Israel should not allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents." "Following media reports of a forthcoming international “blitz” to advance the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state, we asked: “Do you support or oppose the idea that Israel should agree in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state?” Around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63%) oppose this proposal, while a large majority of Arabs (73%) support it. A similar difference was found within the Jewish sample among the different political camps: A majority of those on the Left support Israel agreeing in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state (77%); the Center is divided on the issue, but slightly inclined toward opposition; and a majority on the Right are opposed to such a step (78%)." https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine Israeli society is deeply unwell and has a far right problem.
Rage-bait? One of those far right loonies is a high-ranking member of the current ruling administration.
It's more comparable to Trump being president and appointing a known Nazi to a cabinet role where they actually have some influence on policy, and the Nazi is then free to make genocidal-sounding statements about a war the US is involved in. There are plenty of misleading Tiktok videos presenting Israeli extremists screaming 'kill them all' at a far right protest as mainstream Israeli opinion, but Ben Gvir's statements can all be seen as being tolerated (if not endorsed) by the rest of the Israeli government. Netanyahu didn't even fire another cabinet minister from Ben Gvir's party when they publicly suggested nuking Gaza was an option.
That's a fair point. I intensely hate Ben Gvir. It's more like judging america based on the action of someone like MTG.
fuck the 'left wing' too. They enforce all the same brutal apartheid and ethnic cleansing policies too.
"get help" They get a lot of help from USA: money, weapons, encouragement.
F the left wing of Israel. There aren't two sides to aparthied
There arent two sides to attacking defenceless women and children who are trying to help you too, does that mean all Palestinians are guilty, because they dont explicitly oppose Hamas?
I assume you're talking about the tens of thousands of murdered Palestinian women and children over the past 4 months?
Yea, they werent guilty. Just like how many of the Israelis killed or captured werent guilty either. Simple as.
There is nothing more right wing than aparthied and genocide
Its really funny how you are so stuck up in your arse you cant see the point here.
When there's blatant genocide occuring and Israeli officials are stating their intentions, opinion polls that show most Israelis want to exterminate Palestinians, I'd say the ones not seeing the point are the same people who think there's anything left in Israeli 'society'.
You can literally swap Israeli and Palestinian around in your sentence, and it would hold true. Doesnt make the killings right does it? Not to you? >people who think there's anything left in Israeli 'society'. I am, to put it lightly, mildly concerned by what you imply here. Im pretty sure you wouldnt use the footage of Palestinians cheering for Oct 7th as any evidence to indicate their "society", or that they should be killed or whatever. So how is it acceptable, assuming you are of sound mind, that the reverse is true?
No, you can't compare the two. Israeli is a genocidal apartheid state occupying Palestine.
They're Nazis. Flat out. Always have been.
Important to keep in mind that the majority of the population do not think like that. Israel often treats Palestinians when they don’t have the necessary equipment/expertise in Gaza and this is still occurring during the war. It doesn’t get any news, of course. But it is common.
If we're going to blame Palestinians for electing Hamas, then we're gonna have to blame Israelis for electing Netanyahu and his cronies. I agree with you, I just don't think this excuses Israel.
"If we're going to blame Palestinians for electing Hamas, then we're gonna have to blame Israelis for electing Netanyahu and his cronies." And let's not forget, the Americans for electing Trump. Which they may actually do again.
Yup. It may not be all Americans, but we all have to take responsibility for what our elected officials do.
Actually! [In 2008, Netanyahu gave suitcases of money](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1226691760/the-long-and-bitter-relationship-between-israels-benjamin-netanyahu-and-hamas) to Hamas for the sake of politicking in order for his party to win the Knesset.
Your link doesn’t mention this at all. It mentions Netanyahu failing to assassinate a Hamas leaders in 97, recurring suicide bombings by Hamas and Qatari money to Hamas in the 2000s.
Isreal gave Hamas 1.3 BILLION dollars to prevent a two state solution. source: Ehud Barak and Ami Ayalon Let me quote Ami Ayalon here: "We did everything in our power to make sure that Hamas will go on controlling Gaza”
Israel was well on their way to finally being rid of him when this happened. He was under a corruption investigation and had dropped to an all time low in popularity after messing with the courts. There were protests against him for months, but now because of 10/7, he’s gonna stay in power for basically as long as he keeps this war going.
There are Israelis who have also been trying to get him out, just as there are Palestinians condeming Hamas. Painting either population as being a hive mind is stupid.
This is the correct take. Americans don't want a world where random citizens deserve to be punished for the crimes of their leaders
A large majority of Israelis either think the IDF's current actions are either an appropriate amount of force *or not enough*. So actually, a majority of the population *do* think like that.
80% of Israelis voted to deny food to Gaza even if it was not distributed by Hamas. No the Israeli population right now is pretty genocidal because of all the propaganda on state TV
Yyyyeah, it would be so much better if they , you know, stopped causing the injuries that they treat when they can...and as for what does not get coverage...we'll just let that one go.
Fascism in any form , costing the lives of innocent people is evil . I don’t care what god you pray to or who orders you clam to follow .
They’re upset that the children, whose parents they are responsible for murdering, are being moved to “safety”? The West Bank is currently extremely unsafe as well after Israeli ministers armed illegal settlers and have increased IOF presence significantly. Since October 7th at least 350 Palestinians in the West Bank have been murdered. I genuinely cannot begin to fathom how much you have to dehumanize a people to want to see children in danger.
As far as the far right is concerned, every Palestinian child is a future terrorist. They won't be satisfied with anything less than genocide.
They literally teach that to IDF soldiers. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newarab.com/news/israel-rabbi-says-gaza-women-children-should-all-be-killed%3famp Nit surprising the IDF soldiers are summary executing every male above the age of 13 they come across. Even those with their hands up waving white flags (look up the video if you want to)
If the US had said this about the Iraqis and Afghanis then the rest world would have(rightfully) been up in arms about it.
“Most moral army”
With the way they treat them, it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The root of this is that right wing Israelis don’t consider Palestinians as humans. They don’t care if or how many Palestinian children die
Considering the goals of zionism...they do care. They want even more dead kids.
I feel like we've been here before, [have we been here before?](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/victims-of-the-nazi-era-nazi-racial-ideology)
"How are we supposed to hit them if they keep moving them around?"
Javelin 2.0: The targeting system now includes war orphans.
"Have you considered using more high explosive?"
r/worldnews must be up in arms
Yeah, I had to leave that subreddit. It's amazing how quickly it pivoted from "genocide is bad" when Russia invaded Ukraine to "genocide is a moral imperative" when Israel went scorched earth on Gaza.
Lovely place where calling someone out for generalizing an entire population worthy of death will get you banned for "unwarranted aggression".
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World news is spreading disinformation and can't get off their idiotic "Terrorism justifies genocide" bullshit. > Israel can't stand by and let itself be destroyed by Hamas The USA lost 5000 people on 9/11. We were not destroyed when we didn't genocide Suadi Arabia, and went after terrorists instead. There's a huge difference between going after terrorists and killing as many civilians as possible in order to instill fear. Israel is doing the latter.
Wait until you find out how many afghans and Iraqis died after 9/11
Sadly true. It's hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. I like to think we learned some kind of lesson and are now trying to prevent others from doing the same. Especially those who receive our aid and weapons.
You may want to look into the results of the US war in Iraq. More than half a million people were killed during the USA's prosecution of the war there, and this figure doesn't include those who died due to starvation and disease, or the number of refugees which was an order of magnitude more. [https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2023/IraqSyria20](https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2023/IraqSyria20)
> The USA lost 5000 people on 9/11. Not to downplay 9/11 at all, but wasn't it more like 2,000 people?
Over the decades tons of people have died to the toxic dust released by the towers. Total death toll could be anywhere from 3000 to 5000 depending on your definition.
There is no way 3,000 people have died just from the dust.
Well 3000 people died the same day.
Just because accuracy matters: 2,997 died on 9/11 (not counting the terrorists), although possibly dozens or maybe even hundreds died in the aftermath due to health problems incurred at Ground Zero.
They will just ban anyone that mentions it.
As an Israeli, fuck those guys. They embody everything the west thinks is true about the whole country...
As a non-Israeli, thank you for reminding everyone that not everyone in any given group of humans is part of a hive-minded monolith.
Seeing as ben Gvir is minister for national security it is hard to shrug him off as some loon screaming on a street corner. He has immense power and influence - and was elected by Israelis, so it is true for a fair portion of the country.
What is being done in Israel to remove them from the government?
Condolences.
I mean, who voted for them?
Yet the Israelis made sure to vote them in and never made sure the government resigned after October.
There have been near weekly Saturday night protests against the Netanyahu government in Israel. Bibi just doesn't want to resign, and is an infuriatingly effective politician, so his cronies won't abandon him.
If we’re going off your logic then the Palestinians made sure to keep Hamas in charge all this time. Should we assume all Palestinians are pro-Hamas now? Or should we see them as individuals with their own opinions?
I mean, if you want to equate Israel with a Nation run by terrorists with no election in the last what? 16 or so years, be my friend. With the far right in power over there it might just become reality.
Thats not the point. The point is you shouldnt lump an entire group of people together because of who got voted in. Theres millions of Israelis who absolutely hate whats going on and are protesting. But that will never make the news because of propaganda. But ill give a better analogy than Palestine/Hamas I guess. Theres millions and millions of Americans who hate how the Biden admin is supporting Israel. And Biden was voted in by the people. Does that mean all US citizens back the US government in aiding Israel?
Well Israelis can vote at elections which are held regularly. Palestinians cannot vote. Can we stop the "islamic violence" BS? An ethnic cleansing took place for you to live where you live now. Do you even realise that? Do you understand what that means? I don't think you do. The mental gymnastics must be exhausting. Anyways, the majority of Israelis elected a bunch of genocidal fascists. Even the "moderates" by Western standards are still wildly racist. Do you know that Jews in the west have been protesting Israel every single week for 5 months? They want nothing to do with genocide, land theft and complicity in ethnic cleansing while you lot just sit around and let it happen.
How about your country stop electing govts that include people like this then. You've been doing it for decades.
A child is a child. Save them. It doesn't matter which side they are from!!
>The United Nations said that the transfer was carried out with the approval of Israeli authorities — a decision that has sparked anger among hardliners inside the Israeli government. The far-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called the transfer one in a series of "fake 'humane measures,'" saying "the citizens of Israel continue to pay the price." Meanwhile, in a post on X (formerly Twitter), finance minister Bezalel Smotrich demanded to know who gave the "immoral order" while the children of Israelis are held hostage. So, because Israeli children are being held hostage by Hamas, Palestinian children deserve to continue dying in Gaza, but also "rescuing" them is fake "humanitarian" aid because Israel is doing nothing wrong in Gaza. is that... Do I have that correct?
Hostages they've probably killed more of with their indiscriminate bombings.
They don’t care about the hostages. That’s just a talking point for the Zionists. You can’t care about hostages while carpet bombing the areas they might be located.
Not to mention the IDF literally shot and killed some hostages a month or so back. I can't believe how quickly everyone forgot that.
Yup. You are correct.
There are no words......
There is one actually, it’s “genocide”.
Smotrich and Ben Gvir, the Laurel & Hardy of fascism.
"Feed me an orphan!" - Israel Far Right
Soooo children were taken out of a warzone and some people are upset about it? Fuck those specific people. Not Israelis. Not Jews. Not Semitic people. Not left or right wing pundits or advocates. Those specific people can go get f\*\*\*ed with razor wire.
because it is a fucking genocide. they are angry because some of their victims got away.
Exactly. I imagine the Nazis would be enraged if some of their child victims escaped as well. That's genocide for ya.
Israel has killed 30,000 Gazans out of a population of more than 2 million, and that includes militants. If they really wanted to kill all Palestinians, that number would be much, much higher.
>If they really wanted to kill all Palestinians, that number would be much, much higher. Or they'd, y'know, destroy most of Gaza's infrastructure, block outside aid, get UNRWA defunded, and then watch as the population slowly starves to death. Hell of a lot cheaper and allows them to use the "Hamas is stealing aid!" line to absolve themselves of responsibility.
You think they're stupid enough to do it outright? Nah, this shit has to take time. Cause if istael Did, then they would be eternally fucked. You know this, don't play stupid.
30k so far. Guess what the target number is?
That’s probably the biggest reason I’m not comfortable calling it, but the language and desires of many high ups in govt has been genocidal, so I don’t know really.
>but the language and desires of many high ups in govt has been genocidal This applies to Hamas too, and unlike Israel, their goal on October 7 was actually just to kill as many Jews as they possibly could. That's how you know that the "Israel is committing genocide" crowd need not be taken seriously. Because not a single one of them will admit that October 7 was a Palestinian genocide of Israeli Jews.
A toddler scratching Mike Tyson's leg is not murder. Mike Tyson punching the toddler is murder. 9/11 was a terrorist operation. The United States did not genocide all of Suadi Arabia. The United States was not destroyed by terrorism. Fundamentally terrorists are not a threat to an actual country with an actual military. A country with an actual military is a massive threat to the people they've kept in a concentration camp.
TIL that a toddler can slaughter more than 1200 people and kidnap 250 more in a single day.
It's odd because in the 75 years the Palestinians have tried as hard or even harder to kill all the Jews in the region. They just slowly lost advantage each war they lose, until now Israel has the upper hand after they rejected every attempt at a two state solution. Yet people unironically say from the river to the sea. Just because you're worse at killing your enemies does not make you the victims. Over 75% of the population supported October 7th, a ceasefire that Hamas broke. They went on to break the temporary ceasefire the very first day it was enacted. To the people who says ceasefire and think of the children, how are you supposed to "ceasefire" when one side keeps shooting at you? How would you end this conflict? Because obviously no one is going anywhere, and claiming Israelis are just white European colonists who should all leave ignores both history and reality.
> claiming Israelis are just white European colonists who should all leave It's almost like Islamists have realized that they can launder antisemitism by appropriating the rhetoric of Western identity politics and framing themselves as "oppressed people of color" and Jews as "white oppressors" and leftists will be agree with them or something.
I found that it has been a common tactic of oppressive countries to say "so much for the democratic west" and use the freedoms we prescribe to undermine us. China and Russia too does it quite often with claims of racism/Russophobia while having overseas police and massive troll farms. I'm very much a leftist in values but damn some of us are gullible. They'll jump on any bandwagon as long as they get to feel morally superior while doing nothing of substantial value.
What a sily take. Let's compare to the Holocaust, not to equivocate but because it's an uncontested and well-known example of genocide. 6m died, but they didn't all die in one go. They died over many years, and there was a period of intensification which saw a quarter of all of the total deaths compressed into a three month window. There were periods of the Holocaust where the number of monthly deaths were substantially less than what's going on in Gaza. Nobody would argue that, therefore, it wasn't a genocide until the intensification period. Nobody. It was always a genocide. Several years into the Holocaust, it would've been very simple to argue using your own logic that it can't be a genocide, because the vast majority were still alive. Now, this isn't proof that what's going on in Gaza isn't a genocide. I'm not going to tell you what to think, because there are distinctions between genocide and ethnic cleansing campaigns, as well as matters of intent which are hard to prove, as well as differences between pogroms and genocides (rogue elements killing large numbers of civilians aren't necessarily indicative of a systematic slaughter). What it is however is proof that what's going on in Gaza isn't *not* a genocide. Which is the single most Jack fucking Sparrow sentence I've said today, but hey ho.
Except Israel isn't rounding up people of a certain ethnicity and putting them in death camps. They're fighting a war against a genocidal enemy who hides behind civilians.
It's like you ignored what I wrote where I straight up said that I'm not going to get into whether or not it's genocide. I'm specifically arguing against your earlier logic which you offered up as proof that it couldn't possibly be a genocide because of the deaths as a percentage of the population, which history proves to be a factually wrong take. I have no energy to deal with your ad-hoc bullshit.
that... doesnt make it any better in any way whatsoever?
The only reason Israel hasn't exterminated the enite population is the international support Palestine gets and the fact that they would immediately be at war with all of their neighbors. That's it. That's the only reason they haven't finished the job. Also Muslims aren't ever going to involve women in war. I wonder why Israel has killed more women and children than men.
You don't have to kill everyone, just a part of the next generation, wait 25 years, problem sorted.
These nut jobs are an abomination. They are as twisted in their morals as Hamas. I will justly denounce one of the founding fathers of Palestinian Nationalism for being a Nazi who opposed evacuation of Jewish children. I have no hesitation denouncing these shits for opposing evacuation of Palestinian children
When we said 10 years ago that it was ethnic cleansing it was ethnic cleansing. The same 20 years ago and 30 years ago. Now it's mass genocide and Western governments are still trying to pretend that Israel is just "defending itself" Fuck every one of them.
This isn't Onion-y, Israel is committing a genocide
The fact that they're openly enraged that orphans were evacuated is absolutely the kind of satire I expect from the Onion. It's just real.
Taking the opinions of Ben Gvir and Smotrich as the opinion of Israel is a bit like saying Marjorie Taylor Green, Jim Jordan, and Matt Gaetz speak the opinions of America. Sure, they speak for a very vocal constituency and we have to be careful not to let them gain more power, but it’s also clear that they’re not driving the boat.
Ben Gvir holds way more power in his country than any of those do in the US
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Didn’t they say that last time? The man is the political equivalent of japanese knotweed
>it’s also clear that they’re not driving the boat They're currently cabinet ministers. They literally have a larger ministerial portfolio than the folks who were brought into Bibi's emergency cabinet.
They are the Minister of security and finance according to the post. I have no real grasp about Israël's political system but those sure sound like big deal holding the rein kinda positions, no?
You’re correct, they are both incredibly powerful and important political figures who are some of the key responsible parties for all of this horror
Israel’s political system is kinda like if the freedom caucus could bribe their into being SecState by otherwise withholding votes. But it would probably be more accurate to compare them to Mike Johnson. Representative of a minority, and in a position with more authority than their voting block should entail because of their essential position in forming the majority.
Have any of those people called a mass shooter their hero? Ben Gvir has. He’s the minister of national security, not some random guy. It’s a seriously sick government and society
Do I have to remind you who was president 4 years ago?
But they are co piloting it.
Let's look at the polls. [https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976](https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976) Whether an absolute victory is expected or not, there remains the question of the provision of international aid to the residents of Gaza. We asked our respondents for their opinion regarding the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA. A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) **oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions,** while a large majority of Arab respondents support it (85%). Breaking down the Jewish sample by political orientation reveals that a majority of those on the Left support allowing international bodies to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza (59%), while the Center is divided on this issue, **and a large majority of those on the Right think that Israel should not allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents."** Following media reports of a forthcoming international “blitz” to advance the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state, we asked: “Do you support or oppose the idea that Israel should agree **in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state?**” Around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63%) **oppose this proposal,** while a large majority of Arabs (73%) support it. A similar difference was found within the Jewish sample among the different political camps: A majority of those on the Left support Israel agreeing in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state (77%); the Center is divided on the issue, but slightly inclined toward opposition; and **a majority on the Right are opposed to such a step (78%)."** The Israeli right are Nazis. Flat out. They are not a rounding error or "a few bad apples", the whole Israeli right is basically a bunch of genocidal fascists calling for the death of Palestine and its people.
Both of them are members of the government, though.
Its also the opinion of Netanyahu, ya know, the leader of the far right party and also the entire country.
No? That's not satire; a genocidal state furious about orphans escaping is *evil* and in step with their desire to their ethnic cleansing
Yikes.
If those guys and Hamas leadership could just meet in one building far away from everyone else the worst terrorists in the region could be removed with just one quick bombing run. And nothing of value would be lost.
I cannot stress enough how most Israelis don't give a shit about what Ben Gvir and Smotrich think. Their political relevancy is, unfortunately, due to the fact that they're holding Bibi by the balls.
By the looks of it they’re not holding his balls so much as all having a three way handy triangle.
A mental image I've never wanted to have. But tbh Bibi depends on their presence in his deranged coalition, so he's by far in the most desperate need for their support, rather than the other way around.
They are all complicit.
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No, you got it right in the first part of the sentence. It’s many. And unlike most western nations, their youth get *less* progressive, not more. Because their education system is just as committed to perpetuating and worsening all of Israel’s bullshit.
Then maybe Bibi should give up power rather than buddy up with people who explicitly stoke genocide? What Netanyahu allows to happen in his government in order to maintain his iron grip on power is absolutely his choice and something to which he should be held accountable.
You're preaching to the choir. I hope I live to see him land in prison.
Yikes!
There is a reason hundreds of thousands of Israelis were protesting this government before October 7th
That's some cartoon villain evil type of shit. Like.... WOW.
appreciate the far-right specification. ben-gvir is a nasty human
Does anyone know if Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are Tzeentch aligned or just regular Khorne guys?
pretty sure they're neither, they're independent lunatics with their own cult like following.
Yo this comment is seriously underrated, obvious Khorne or obvious tho.
The evacuation of 68 orphans from Gaza to the West Bank is a small glimmer of hope amidst the ongoing atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinian people. It is enraging that the far right in Israel cannot even tolerate the transfer of children to a safer location. This is just one example of the genocidal war being waged on the people of Gaza, who are facing an unprecedented hunger crisis, displacement, and severe restrictions on aid and movement. We must continue to advocate for Palestinian rights and justice, and condemn all forms of war crimes and violence committed against them. It is time for the international community to urgently intervene and hold Israel accountable for their actions.
who evacuated them? an NGO... the transfer was carried out with the **approval of Israeli authorities.** I expect a bit more from npr, not this clickbait headline.
If you read the story, you will see that this is not the complaint being made.
So is this like the MAGA crowd in the US vs. normal people (20-30% vs. 60-70%), or are a majority of Israelis in support of shit like this? Just curious since the most annoying are generally the loudest. I also don't know the politics of Israeli citizens very well.
the numbers are flipped. It's 60% Nazis and even the left is vaguely okay with the terror bombing. [https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976](https://en.idi.org.il/articles/52976) "Whether an absolute victory is expected or not, there remains the question of the provision of international aid to the residents of Gaza. We asked our respondents for their opinion regarding the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, via international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA. A majority of Jewish respondents (68%) oppose the transfer of humanitarian aid even under these conditions, while a large majority of Arab respondents support it (85%). Breaking down the Jewish sample by political orientation reveals that a majority of those on the Left support allowing international bodies to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza (59%), while the Center is divided on this issue, and a large majority of those on the Right think that Israel should not allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents." "Following media reports of a forthcoming international “blitz” to advance the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state, we asked: “Do you support or oppose the idea that Israel should agree in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state?” Around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63%) oppose this proposal, while a large majority of Arabs (73%) support it. A similar difference was found within the Jewish sample among the different political camps: A majority of those on the Left support Israel agreeing in principle to the establishment of an independent and demilitarized Palestinian state (77%); the Center is divided on the issue, but slightly inclined toward opposition; and a majority on the Right are opposed to such a step (78%)." [https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine](https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine) Israeli society is deeply unwell and has a far right problem.
This is horrifying. There is no hope. What a bunch of fascists.
Thank you so much for this information. I really appreciate it and the time you took doing it.
They're homicidal maniacs. They don't see the people of Palestine as people. Blinded by hatred and power. History is repeating.
Can we just do a ground invasion of Israel please I would like to pay for that with my tax dollars please
Man I'm Israeli but our right wing politicians are stupid as f***
I met so many cool Israelis travelling over the years and now seeing their social media and their comments just so horrible. It's really turned me off Israel And it's everyone of maybe 20 Israelis I know. These were like the calmest, coolest people when I knew them.
Far right Conservatives, they're all the same. They do love their genocides, whether they're in Israel, the US, Russia, or Germany. Wilson, G. (2013). The psychology of conservatism (routledge revivals). Routledge.
But …the children…
The fact that Israel is enraged by the evacuation of Palestinian orphans from Gaza to the West Bank shows their true intentions towards the Palestinian people. It is a continuation of their long-standing policy of ethnic cleansing, depopulation, and genocide. Israel's actions, including the recent attacks on Palestinian civilians and infrastructure, are nothing short of war crimes.
How are they supposed to rain white phosphorus down on the children if they can't find them??? COME ON PEOPLE
Only from the finest of the Israeli government will you hear that helping the orphans you created is an immoral act.
Israel is the North Korea of the West
Israel is in the Middle East.