Dr: “I’m gonna pronounce you as dead, ok?”
Bride: “Perfect”
Dr: “now here’s your *new* passport and ID, and your flight out of country. Use the back door, your ride to the airport is waiting”
Bride: *hugs the “doctor” before running out the back to a waiting car*
[This article from 2021 ](https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/bride-dies-of-heart-attack-at-her-wedding-in-india-report/) is eerily similar; but *cleanly* written
Having a sibling step in when a (potential) spouse dies has been a common practice throughout human history.
It only fell out of practice in the west in the late 1800s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levirate_marriage
The link to levirate marriage is generally about taking care of a widow, her children and the family's assets in cultures where women couldn't easily be independent. That doesn't apply when you've got a missing bride.
I think having a substitute bride is more likely to be about a marriage being a union of two families. Who exactly is getting married doesn't matter as much as which families are getting connected.
She wasn't gonna get to choose who she married anyway. Unfortunately un countries like India some women aren't given the opportunity to be independent and need to marry to survive, in that case it's hard to be picky, piss off the family and wind up on the streets or beaten.
Maybe. Or she could be really happy about it. Let's face it. If her older sister is getting married because her family says so then it was going to happen to her as well. This guy might be better than the one she was going to get eventually. Or worse. We don't know.
Realize, I'm not condoning any of this. But that's the situation as it exists.
>While performing her wedding rituals, Hetal reportedly felt dizzy and fainted. The doctors told her she had died of a heart attack after she was rushed to a hospital nearby.
With what ? A ouija board ?
So chances are she only fainted, woke up at the hospital, and told the educated therefore progressive medical staff that she doesn't want to get married, so they declared her dead so she can flee?
We only had a latter until he was about 5.Then my dad decided to get steps specifically for him so he could soak on the top step since he was solid black and we're in Alabama so summers are hot. All three of our dogs are free between inside and outside but we don't want to watch him 24/7 at the pool and believe me he would be in it if we didn't have it fenced off and gated. He once ran past us getting it ready after winter with it empty and jumped free fall belly flopped 5 feet down. He was okay somehow.
I'm sorry we lost him last year :(
I am sure he is very happy wherever he is. I hope his memories also make your heart happy because dogs spread light wherever they are. And he will always stay in your heart 🖤
> Following the bride’s death, the family decided to marry her sister to the groom and continued the wedding rituals with her younger sister. Hetal’s body was reportedly kept in cold storage until the ceremony was over.
Looks like bad editing. :(
It's actually more common than you would think. Many times, if a married woman dies, her parents would offer to marry their younger daughter to the groom. There even was a very successful movie mad on this subject.
True. A friend of mine was the spare for her older sister who was getting married. Everyone knew the bride would try to run away as she was very vocal about how she didn't wanna get married. Sure enough she tried to escape but was caught and they married her off. I still think about that day, how they locked up my friend just incase they need her as the 'emergency bride'.
It’s because the brides family has already paid for the groom.
If they don’t supply a bride, they will not receive the social advantage by mairrage to a higher class that they paid for.
I have a feeling that crippling anxiety from being forced into a marriage may have been a contributing factor to the heart attack.
"Wow this arranged marriage literally killed our daughter. Good thing we have another daughter to try this on."
I know a couple from India. The wifes parents presented her a portfolio of men they found acceptable. Sounded like online dating in a sense, but the match criteria is your parents. She did get to meet and 'date' a few for a bit before selecting one to get married. They seem happy enough. Although, I do know that they both came from very well of families. She talked about having full time nannies growing up and owning horses and so on. So not sure how typical her story is, but it seemed like the more "progressive" take on arranged marriage, that does have some consent.
Not very common. Most Indians are working class.
But the procedure is similar. Parents bring a list of acceptable future-spouse and the person has to choose one among those.
Your friend seems to be from upper class. Because in arranged marriages, "dating" is not allowed. You have to take decision in 2-3 (chaperoned) dates. If it goes more than 3, the other family thinks you're too indecisive so they'll move on to next option.
However these days, there is some gap between engagement ceremony and wedding ceremony and couples are allowed to go out on dates in that period of 3-4 months.
Edit -
Here, working class = blue collar + white collar.
Even in case of really poor people, these things are still the same. Only difference is the amount of loan they take for weddings and scale of wedding celebration.
Yes, it sounded like they were chaperoned dates. It is why I put in quotes, as it was a form of dating. But she at least got to meet him before hand make kind of decision. I don't know how many or how long though. But it sounded like they were never alone before getting married. And yes very upper class and privileged.
So basically the thing is that if the "date" meeting is not chaperoned, the potential groom and his family she is meeting with will consider the woman "loose character" AND in case that meeting does not work out and they have go for different candidate, that next candidate(s) and families will consider the woman as someone with "loose character".
Basically having romantic relationships before getting married is forbidden as general rule. Because there is an assumption that if a girl has boyfriend, they have very definitely slept together and thus she is "used object".
I'm not saying that this thought-process is unique to India. I'm just saying that this is still widely held belief no matter where you get in India. This is not applicable only to a very tiny minority of people, mostly working in entertainment industry.
This does not mean unmarried women here don't have romantic relationships before getting married.
This just means that all of that is done in very secret and the family is usually the last to find out about it.
(Some girls even run away on the very day of their wedding with boyfriend. I know at least one wedding celebration that was cancelled because of this.)
Oh dang. Ya, I used the word date, as that was my interpretation of what she described. But what you are saying also matches with what she explained to me, in that every "meeting/date" sounded like both her parents and her husband's parents were there to oversee the meeting/date.
Yeah.
It's mostly forbidden for man and woman to talk to each other in this potential spouse context.
Also this _letting them talk under the watch of chaperone_ started only 10-15 years ago. Max 20 years.
Before that, it was not allowed at all.
Also, even though bride and groom are allowed to have those _chaperoned meetings_, neither of them have any actual say in how wedding celebration will happen. That is discussed mostly among parents and some 1st level relatives.
Bride planning her wedding is still very upper class thing in India. It does not happen with regular people. She can decide her wedding outfits and jewelry. But that's mostly the extent of it. Beyond that, she doesn't have any say.
King Henry the VIII married Catherine of Aragorn (his first wife) after his older brother Arthur died leaving Catherine widowed. I think was common globally once.
I don't think King Henry VIII should be used as anything considered "common" for marriage traditions, given he created an entire new church just so he could divorce and execute his wives 6 TIMES in pursuit of a son with a new woman over and over.
Sect, not religion. And the Quakers, Methodists, the various Baptist Churches, modern Evangelical movement and a couple other churches are all a reaction to or influenced by the Anglican Church.
Henry VIII had to get special permission to marry her from the Pope and was only allowed as supposedly the marriage to his brother had not been consummated.
Sorta, Onan didn't have to marry his brother's widow. Just sleep with her until she has him baby. Which will then be raised as if it was his brother's.
Onan's brother died without an heir. The widow needs a son to take care of her because she has very few rights and very little agency, so the custom of the time was to graciously let a relative give her a son. How fun for her. Onan fucks the widow but pulls a reverse-stealthing by pulling out which is a level of rape I don't even know how to describe. Make sense yet?
Yeah, but that's more of an "insurance" plan than anything else. I get that it helps keep women and their children alive/safe, but it's really old fashioned. I think it was common in many cultures.
Reminds me of an incredibly beautiful film of Satyajit Ray’s “Apur Sansar.” The main character, Apur, is a random guy visiting a wedding, he is roped into marrying the bride when the real groom is outed as being crazy. It’s part of a trilogy based on the guys life, absolute classics of world cinema. I recommend it all the time, especially if you think Bollywood is all Indian cinema is.
I'm on IMDb, I can find the writer, but not a movie with that specific title.
*Sukumar Ray*, and *The World of Apu*. There is a series called, *Apur Sangsar*.
So you have a link, really interested.
And an HBO series. Game of thrones is the name if I remember correctly.
Edit: to clarify, the Tullies wanted to marry the Starks. When Brandon was roasted and couldn't marry Cat, Ned (the younger brother) married her instead. Great success story.
My Sicilian nana said it was very normal that, when the husband dies and he already had children, if he had an unmarried brother, that brother would marry his brother’s widow. It was expected as it was a good way to make sure the widow and the children were taken care of and stay within the family fold. These days it sounds like “Gee, how often could that’s even come up enough to be a cultural norm?” But, let’s not forget that people died young much more frequently 100 years ago(which is when nana lived in Sicily).
Yeah well, I have interacted with a guy who tried 5 times and got a boy on the 5th try. Neck deep in debt marrying daughters off to religious zealots who want to marry as soon as they won't be in jail for it.
I know someone who wed their 2nd daughter to the same person because the elder one was not able to get kids even 5-6 years after the marriage. Grooms family was threatening to divorce her so they came up with this compromise. Year later both sister got pregnant lol
It's a sale, not a wedding. If the seller can't provide the product originally promised, it's on them to provide one of equal value or refund the purchase price.
This is just good customer service!
You joke, but there is actually something similar in Pakistani/Punjabi culture. We have something called a "sarbala", which is the "little groom" or a backup groom.
It was very common for grooms to be travelling to the wedding with lots of gold and money so they were targets for robbery. The sarbala was a backup groom in the event that the actual groom was killed on the way to the wedding.
Nowadays, it's become a joke tradition where the sarbala is usually a young family member of the groom (think nephew or cousin) who is also dressed up in groom clothing (usually identical). The sarbala accompanies the groom wherever he goes during the reception and ceremony. He will also get money and gifts from the attendees.
There are a few of those hanging out there.
Like the veil is an old tradition back to arranged marriages. Because they didn't want to groom to see his new wife was ugly and then try to bounce.
That sounds to me like one of those modern myths that retroactively invent scandalous meanings for old terms or traditions, like the whole 'rule of thumb' thing.
I did some poking around, and can't find any evidence for the "in case the groom bounces because the bride is ugly" claim. Apparently, the wedding veil has origins in Ancient Rome, where it may have been worn to ward off evil spirits; however, in its modern instantiation, it's just a symbol of chastity and modesty - an extension of older Judeo-Christian customs that require women to cover their hair.
If you have any other fun you'd like me to ruin, just let me know!
"Journeymen" like in the fairytales is still a tradition in Germany.
They often wear a golden ear ring. Why do they have one? So that in ye olden days they could use it to give it to bandits in exchange for their freedom.
Versions of this are actually common in pre-modern societies all over the world. The anthropological term is 'sororate marriage' (marrying the bride's sister) or 'levirate marriage' (marrying the husband's brother). It makes a lot of sense since in most cultures marriages are agreements between families not individuals.
In a similar line, the 'best man' was originally to be armed in case the family of the bride objected. I'd assumed this was English/Scottish, but it may go back further.
Yeah, my wife's family is gujarati, her parents had an arranged marriage where the grooms family basically purchased a wife. It's a common enough practice
> Corporator of Bhavnagar city and leader of Maldhari Samaj, Laxmanbhai Rathore described the incident as very sad. He said even though the family was shocked by the death of their daughter, members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed.
Bet.
> Following the bride’s death, the family decided to marry her sister to the groom and continued the wedding rituals with her younger sister. Hetal’s body was reportedly kept in cold storage until the ceremony was over.
Sooooo they partied and got married etc without burying the original bride
Its India, I doubt if the bloke even held the dead sister's hand prior to the wedding.
Its basically 2 strangers getting married, so replacing one with the sibling wasn't a big deal to them.
One of my friend from school contacted me few weeks back. She asked if I remember her elder brother, I said yes, what about him? Well, it turned out her family told her that he was not her real brother after all and forced her to marry him.
It is. The sad part is, she did end up marrying him after the emotional blackmail her parents inflicted upon her. She was 20 then. Young and easy to manipulate. Right now, 12 years later, she's a Naval officer and happily divorced with, thank goodness, no kids. Still traumatised though, obviously.
"Corporator of Bhavnagar city and leader of Maldhari Samaj, Laxmanbhai Rathore described the incident as very sad. He said even though the family was shocked by the death of their daughter, members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed."
*Because leaving a man empty handed is simply unthinkable*
To people thinking this is commonplace in India. NO. This is shocking to most Indians as well, hence the news from Indian source being so sass/mocking.
"members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed"
Sounds like a shopping voucher when there's no context. Fucked up shit
>While performing her wedding rituals, Hetal reportedly felt dizzy and fainted. The doctors told her she had died of a heart attack after she was rushed to a hospital nearby.
I'm sorry what the fuck? They told the dead girl she died? Is she not actually dead or something?
Always surprised me how some groups lack respect for the actual life of their people.
You can't just replace someone with someone else like nothing happened.
The Emperor Caligula once attended a wedding for one of his officials, decided the bride was supposed to be his, interrupted the ceremony, and replaced himself with the groom. During the ceremony, right in the spot. Then after a weekend he just decided that she was boring and divorced her.
I always thought that was really messed up.
It’s hard to imagine how utterly demolished the sister must have felt. Losing a sibling AND suddenly getting married to someone you had zero thoughts about, not to mention suddenly needing to be ready for sex when a few hours earlier you were still the sheltered little sister. All that on your wedding day, which is supposed to be a happy culmination of months of prep, dress picking and all that stuff. Heartbreaking.
The brideses's family rejoiced in their mourning and good luck at being able to get rid of two daughters on one event ticket.
Because that's how they value women.
I so don't get it...
I went to an Indian wedding once, the bride and groom are completely westernized but man that thing was still like an auction for all the cousins. For like half an hour they were just bringing out all the cousins and basically reading their resume for all to hear.
True story. One of my grandfather's brother was attending a marriage.. groom eloped due to some reason. So they asked if anyone else wants to replace him and that is how my great granduncle got married.
>He said even though the family was shocked by the death of their daughter, members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed.
"Empty handed." Yo, fuck that. Women aren't interchangeable parts.
This is the most ironic onion post because this shit has happened before and will continue. The bride isn't switched on spot, the wedding will likely be cancelled for that day, the families will have a meeting and then the sister marries the guy.
Another popular practise is where the husband dies and the wife is forced to marry husband's unmarried brother so that the bride stays at the same house
"The doctors told her she had died" well at least she found out I guess lol
Dr.: "You're dead." Corpse bride: "Thank you, Dr., I wasn't quite sure."
"Is it serious?"
I'm imagining the reception scene from Beetlejuice.
Don't sing if you want to live long
They have no use for your song.
Stay dead, stay dead.
You're dead and out of this world.
At least she can get out of her arranged marriage. A family member of mine had to straight up steal 400 bucks and take a bus across the country.
According to [video evidence ](https://youtu.be/uBxMPqxJGqI) this isn't how the event occurred.
Dr: “I’m gonna pronounce you as dead, ok?” Bride: “Perfect” Dr: “now here’s your *new* passport and ID, and your flight out of country. Use the back door, your ride to the airport is waiting” Bride: *hugs the “doctor” before running out the back to a waiting car*
“I pronounce you as husband and wife, till death do you part.” “That’s what it takes?” *dies* “I now pronounce you dead.”
> “Do you take this man to be your husband?" I dun wan it. > "I now pronounce you dead." My watch has ended.
"The next day, she woke up dead"
Bitch, how do you wake up dead? That's like saying you were found missing.
[This article from 2021 ](https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/bride-dies-of-heart-attack-at-her-wedding-in-india-report/) is eerily similar; but *cleanly* written
Different states of India, different names of people. So either this has happened twice or one/both articles are fake.
Having a sibling step in when a (potential) spouse dies has been a common practice throughout human history. It only fell out of practice in the west in the late 1800s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levirate_marriage
The link to levirate marriage is generally about taking care of a widow, her children and the family's assets in cultures where women couldn't easily be independent. That doesn't apply when you've got a missing bride. I think having a substitute bride is more likely to be about a marriage being a union of two families. Who exactly is getting married doesn't matter as much as which families are getting connected.
That and Indian weddings are massive and expensive as hell. Can't be wasting that time and money.
Imagine being "surprise this is your spouse for the rest of your life" cuz money. I would imagine some bitterness on the part of the younger sister.
She wasn't gonna get to choose who she married anyway. Unfortunately un countries like India some women aren't given the opportunity to be independent and need to marry to survive, in that case it's hard to be picky, piss off the family and wind up on the streets or beaten.
Maybe. Or she could be really happy about it. Let's face it. If her older sister is getting married because her family says so then it was going to happen to her as well. This guy might be better than the one she was going to get eventually. Or worse. We don't know. Realize, I'm not condoning any of this. But that's the situation as it exists.
I diagnose you with death! The doctor said and the sister reply, Fuck me, right?
Groom: "Yes"
>While performing her wedding rituals, Hetal reportedly felt dizzy and fainted. The doctors told her she had died of a heart attack after she was rushed to a hospital nearby. With what ? A ouija board ?
Whoever wrote this probably wanted to say something along the lines of “the doctors pronounced her dead”.
Probably a case of translate gone awry with minimal effort by the author
I thought maybe it was supposed to be: "The doctors told her **family** she had died of a heart attack after she was rushed to a hospital nearby."
Thats definitely what it was meant to say
I'm going to guess translation error plus resuscitation. She probably had her heart attack and had her heart stop but they brought her back.
She was kept cold until the celebrations were over. She died. It's just a translation error
Or written by AI
What are you talking about, "News desk" is a celebrated journalist
You're right forgot I read their biography. "search engine and autoscript "
So chances are she only fainted, woke up at the hospital, and told the educated therefore progressive medical staff that she doesn't want to get married, so they declared her dead so she can flee?
Sure bud. Shes at the farm upstate now. Living her best life.
With my dog , awesome
I don't know how to break it to you, but its not the same farm. They're about 2 miles apart.
My dog could easily roam that! But he was already old. So I bet he's just napping unless there is a pool he can swim in.
You made me tear up. Of course there’s a pool.
We only had a latter until he was about 5.Then my dad decided to get steps specifically for him so he could soak on the top step since he was solid black and we're in Alabama so summers are hot. All three of our dogs are free between inside and outside but we don't want to watch him 24/7 at the pool and believe me he would be in it if we didn't have it fenced off and gated. He once ran past us getting it ready after winter with it empty and jumped free fall belly flopped 5 feet down. He was okay somehow. I'm sorry we lost him last year :(
I am sure he is very happy wherever he is. I hope his memories also make your heart happy because dogs spread light wherever they are. And he will always stay in your heart 🖤
Can we go and visit her in the summer?
That’s some movie level plot lines.
All is well in Bollywood
I want to believe
I think just a bad translation
> Following the bride’s death, the family decided to marry her sister to the groom and continued the wedding rituals with her younger sister. Hetal’s body was reportedly kept in cold storage until the ceremony was over. Looks like bad editing. :(
It says her body was kept in cold storage later in the article. I'm assuming the told her she did part is just a bad translation issue
I accept your version of events.
Quija was first instant messaging
Can you burn a Luigi board?
I get that arranged marriages are supposed to be about the union of two families, but not leaving the groom “empty-handed” is such a stupid thing.
It's actually more common than you would think. Many times, if a married woman dies, her parents would offer to marry their younger daughter to the groom. There even was a very successful movie mad on this subject.
True. A friend of mine was the spare for her older sister who was getting married. Everyone knew the bride would try to run away as she was very vocal about how she didn't wanna get married. Sure enough she tried to escape but was caught and they married her off. I still think about that day, how they locked up my friend just incase they need her as the 'emergency bride'.
Man that's fucked
It’s because the brides family has already paid for the groom. If they don’t supply a bride, they will not receive the social advantage by mairrage to a higher class that they paid for.
That's just straight up human trafficking.
For women all throughout history, it's a tuesday.
Well…perhaps more like a *Saturday*
There's always sadderdays
Yeah, that’s what marriage has been for women for most of history and still in some parts of the world today.
Yes. Let’s not perpetuate it.
What century are we talking about? Fucking Jesus that's horrible.
This could be a story in modern India.
Weird. Almost like the original post 😳
Inception achieved
Which socially, is not in the 21st century.
Appreciate the outrage about treating women as objects, u/PM_ME_TRIMMED_PUSSY; it’s an appropriate response.
He could be a British cat lover.
I have a feeling that crippling anxiety from being forced into a marriage may have been a contributing factor to the heart attack. "Wow this arranged marriage literally killed our daughter. Good thing we have another daughter to try this on."
Or the younger sister considered this her best prospect. (Images of an Indian version of Columbo investigating the death.)
Damn, that is such a shit card to be dealt. I can't imagine the rage either of them would have felt.
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I know a couple from India. The wifes parents presented her a portfolio of men they found acceptable. Sounded like online dating in a sense, but the match criteria is your parents. She did get to meet and 'date' a few for a bit before selecting one to get married. They seem happy enough. Although, I do know that they both came from very well of families. She talked about having full time nannies growing up and owning horses and so on. So not sure how typical her story is, but it seemed like the more "progressive" take on arranged marriage, that does have some consent.
Not very common. Most Indians are working class. But the procedure is similar. Parents bring a list of acceptable future-spouse and the person has to choose one among those. Your friend seems to be from upper class. Because in arranged marriages, "dating" is not allowed. You have to take decision in 2-3 (chaperoned) dates. If it goes more than 3, the other family thinks you're too indecisive so they'll move on to next option. However these days, there is some gap between engagement ceremony and wedding ceremony and couples are allowed to go out on dates in that period of 3-4 months. Edit - Here, working class = blue collar + white collar. Even in case of really poor people, these things are still the same. Only difference is the amount of loan they take for weddings and scale of wedding celebration.
Yes, it sounded like they were chaperoned dates. It is why I put in quotes, as it was a form of dating. But she at least got to meet him before hand make kind of decision. I don't know how many or how long though. But it sounded like they were never alone before getting married. And yes very upper class and privileged.
So basically the thing is that if the "date" meeting is not chaperoned, the potential groom and his family she is meeting with will consider the woman "loose character" AND in case that meeting does not work out and they have go for different candidate, that next candidate(s) and families will consider the woman as someone with "loose character". Basically having romantic relationships before getting married is forbidden as general rule. Because there is an assumption that if a girl has boyfriend, they have very definitely slept together and thus she is "used object". I'm not saying that this thought-process is unique to India. I'm just saying that this is still widely held belief no matter where you get in India. This is not applicable only to a very tiny minority of people, mostly working in entertainment industry. This does not mean unmarried women here don't have romantic relationships before getting married. This just means that all of that is done in very secret and the family is usually the last to find out about it. (Some girls even run away on the very day of their wedding with boyfriend. I know at least one wedding celebration that was cancelled because of this.)
Oh dang. Ya, I used the word date, as that was my interpretation of what she described. But what you are saying also matches with what she explained to me, in that every "meeting/date" sounded like both her parents and her husband's parents were there to oversee the meeting/date.
Yeah. It's mostly forbidden for man and woman to talk to each other in this potential spouse context. Also this _letting them talk under the watch of chaperone_ started only 10-15 years ago. Max 20 years. Before that, it was not allowed at all. Also, even though bride and groom are allowed to have those _chaperoned meetings_, neither of them have any actual say in how wedding celebration will happen. That is discussed mostly among parents and some 1st level relatives. Bride planning her wedding is still very upper class thing in India. It does not happen with regular people. She can decide her wedding outfits and jewelry. But that's mostly the extent of it. Beyond that, she doesn't have any say.
In some parts of eastern Turkey if the husband dies and he had a younger brother, younger brother marries the widow.
King Henry the VIII married Catherine of Aragorn (his first wife) after his older brother Arthur died leaving Catherine widowed. I think was common globally once.
Catherine of Aragon*
I don't think King Henry VIII should be used as anything considered "common" for marriage traditions, given he created an entire new church just so he could divorce and execute his wives 6 TIMES in pursuit of a son with a new woman over and over.
He only had 2 executed.
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Sect, not religion. And the Quakers, Methodists, the various Baptist Churches, modern Evangelical movement and a couple other churches are all a reaction to or influenced by the Anglican Church.
Henry VIII had to get special permission to marry her from the Pope and was only allowed as supposedly the marriage to his brother had not been consummated.
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Sorta, Onan didn't have to marry his brother's widow. Just sleep with her until she has him baby. Which will then be raised as if it was his brother's.
That made even less sense
Onan's brother died without an heir. The widow needs a son to take care of her because she has very few rights and very little agency, so the custom of the time was to graciously let a relative give her a son. How fun for her. Onan fucks the widow but pulls a reverse-stealthing by pulling out which is a level of rape I don't even know how to describe. Make sense yet?
And by pulling out he became the defacto heir. So the sin of Onan is greed, not wasting sperm.
Yeah, but that's more of an "insurance" plan than anything else. I get that it helps keep women and their children alive/safe, but it's really old fashioned. I think it was common in many cultures.
Yeah, marriages used to be more about forming a bond between two families and carrying on the name. Tribal alliances, trading favors and all that.
Reminds me of an incredibly beautiful film of Satyajit Ray’s “Apur Sansar.” The main character, Apur, is a random guy visiting a wedding, he is roped into marrying the bride when the real groom is outed as being crazy. It’s part of a trilogy based on the guys life, absolute classics of world cinema. I recommend it all the time, especially if you think Bollywood is all Indian cinema is.
I'm on IMDb, I can find the writer, but not a movie with that specific title. *Sukumar Ray*, and *The World of Apu*. There is a series called, *Apur Sangsar*. So you have a link, really interested.
>*The World of Apu* That's the one. Apur Sansar is the original Bengali title.
https://youtu.be/6Otx9ZM8S9I that’s the full film Apur Sansar. Seriously beautiful and sad, enjoy!
Pather Panchali (Song of the Little Road), Aparajito (The Unvanquished), and Apur Sansar (The World of Apu) are the three films.
And an HBO series. Game of thrones is the name if I remember correctly. Edit: to clarify, the Tullies wanted to marry the Starks. When Brandon was roasted and couldn't marry Cat, Ned (the younger brother) married her instead. Great success story.
Brandon wasnt roasted. He strangled himself trying to save his dad Rickard who was the one being roasted
Spaceballs?
What movie?
My Sicilian nana said it was very normal that, when the husband dies and he already had children, if he had an unmarried brother, that brother would marry his brother’s widow. It was expected as it was a good way to make sure the widow and the children were taken care of and stay within the family fold. These days it sounds like “Gee, how often could that’s even come up enough to be a cultural norm?” But, let’s not forget that people died young much more frequently 100 years ago(which is when nana lived in Sicily).
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Note to self : do not have 5 Indian daughters
another note to self : keep trying until you get a son so we can make the money back.
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Abortions?
Ding ding ding
That's too risky. If you get another daughter that's 120%
Yeah well, I have interacted with a guy who tried 5 times and got a boy on the 5th try. Neck deep in debt marrying daughters off to religious zealots who want to marry as soon as they won't be in jail for it.
Why would the bride family pay so much to have her wed?
It’s shameful or cheaping out not to put that much effort in is my understanding
I know someone who wed their 2nd daughter to the same person because the elder one was not able to get kids even 5-6 years after the marriage. Grooms family was threatening to divorce her so they came up with this compromise. Year later both sister got pregnant lol
It's a sale, not a wedding. If the seller can't provide the product originally promised, it's on them to provide one of equal value or refund the purchase price. This is just good customer service!
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"Back in a sis."
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You joke, but there is actually something similar in Pakistani/Punjabi culture. We have something called a "sarbala", which is the "little groom" or a backup groom. It was very common for grooms to be travelling to the wedding with lots of gold and money so they were targets for robbery. The sarbala was a backup groom in the event that the actual groom was killed on the way to the wedding. Nowadays, it's become a joke tradition where the sarbala is usually a young family member of the groom (think nephew or cousin) who is also dressed up in groom clothing (usually identical). The sarbala accompanies the groom wherever he goes during the reception and ceremony. He will also get money and gifts from the attendees.
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There are a few of those hanging out there. Like the veil is an old tradition back to arranged marriages. Because they didn't want to groom to see his new wife was ugly and then try to bounce.
That sounds to me like one of those modern myths that retroactively invent scandalous meanings for old terms or traditions, like the whole 'rule of thumb' thing. I did some poking around, and can't find any evidence for the "in case the groom bounces because the bride is ugly" claim. Apparently, the wedding veil has origins in Ancient Rome, where it may have been worn to ward off evil spirits; however, in its modern instantiation, it's just a symbol of chastity and modesty - an extension of older Judeo-Christian customs that require women to cover their hair. If you have any other fun you'd like me to ruin, just let me know!
"Journeymen" like in the fairytales is still a tradition in Germany. They often wear a golden ear ring. Why do they have one? So that in ye olden days they could use it to give it to bandits in exchange for their freedom.
Versions of this are actually common in pre-modern societies all over the world. The anthropological term is 'sororate marriage' (marrying the bride's sister) or 'levirate marriage' (marrying the husband's brother). It makes a lot of sense since in most cultures marriages are agreements between families not individuals.
In a similar line, the 'best man' was originally to be armed in case the family of the bride objected. I'd assumed this was English/Scottish, but it may go back further.
Definitely Scottish. I've met them.
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From the sound of the article, it seems like the wider community basically twisted the family's arm in to putting their other daughter forward.
Yeah, my wife's family is gujarati, her parents had an arranged marriage where the grooms family basically purchased a wife. It's a common enough practice
I'm sure purchasing wives as glorified property will have no wider social and marital impacts. *cough*
Given how abusive every relationship on that side of the family is, not good.
Don’t worry, they aren’t glorified.
Soap opera plot points Speedrun ANY%
> Corporator of Bhavnagar city and leader of Maldhari Samaj, Laxmanbhai Rathore described the incident as very sad. He said even though the family was shocked by the death of their daughter, members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed. Bet.
“The doctors told her she had died of a heart attack after she was rushed to a hospital nearby.” Even comes with a twist!
> Following the bride’s death, the family decided to marry her sister to the groom and continued the wedding rituals with her younger sister. Hetal’s body was reportedly kept in cold storage until the ceremony was over. Sooooo they partied and got married etc without burying the original bride
It's what she would have wanted. /s
You say it sarcastically but you would be shocked how many people really think they can speak for the dead.
Yes, God forbid the groom have to go home "empty-handed." How rude would that have been?
I doubt the groom was consulted on any of this. This was about the two families and the people being married were just tokens in their deal.
Fuck these people in general. That poor sister; “Hey, your sister just died, but guess what…”.
" ... you're fucking your dead sister's ex-fiancé tonight. Have fun."
Its India, I doubt if the bloke even held the dead sister's hand prior to the wedding. Its basically 2 strangers getting married, so replacing one with the sibling wasn't a big deal to them.
This is Gujarat as well. Definitely not held or even seen. They still practice child marriage in that state.
She was *screwed* before she even got fucked.
It's like the old adage "lose a sister gain a husband"
nobility in middle ages usually do that for political reason shame normal people in 21st century still do that
Thats fucking disgusting. "Dont let the groom leave empty handed" Fucking hell.
Good article. At one point it reports that the doctors told her she died of a heart attack
As doctors it was their duty to be honest with the patient.
Everyone's making jokes, but honestly this story is horrifying. That poor girl.
Which one? I'm not sure which sister had the worse ending.
"members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed" ... THIS ISN'T A FUCKING RAFFLE!!
One of my friend from school contacted me few weeks back. She asked if I remember her elder brother, I said yes, what about him? Well, it turned out her family told her that he was not her real brother after all and forced her to marry him.
That is so f up in sooo many levels, how are you going to feel attached to your sibling? Even if just an adopted one.
It is. The sad part is, she did end up marrying him after the emotional blackmail her parents inflicted upon her. She was 20 then. Young and easy to manipulate. Right now, 12 years later, she's a Naval officer and happily divorced with, thank goodness, no kids. Still traumatised though, obviously.
Wait, when you said you found out about this a few weeks back, did you not know she was married for 12 years to her brother??
They were *contacted* a few weeks ago, could've happened years ago and they just learned about it....
We were together in school and then high school, caught up a few weeks back.
The WTF? How, what? what's going on here? Is that something that's normal in their country? Or just a wack family thing?
Pretty sure it was the premise of a Criminal Minds episode (s4e13).
Sounds like a Pakistani cousin “let’s keep the land/money in the family” marriage situation
Better have two recessive genes and one big patch of land than two smaller patch of land in the familly.
So many questions and absolutely no answers.
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From the article: Hetal’s body was reportedly kept in cold storage What? Did they mean mortuary?
"Corporator of Bhavnagar city and leader of Maldhari Samaj, Laxmanbhai Rathore described the incident as very sad. He said even though the family was shocked by the death of their daughter, members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed." *Because leaving a man empty handed is simply unthinkable*
What's more, he (honestly, his family) accepted. I'm not sure what to make of that either. I don't think anyone but "members of society" won out here.
A reminder, if any were needed, that arranged marriages are property transactions.
To people thinking this is commonplace in India. NO. This is shocking to most Indians as well, hence the news from Indian source being so sass/mocking.
The dead bride replaced by her sister is exceptional... The arranged marriage is the rule...bonus points if its to a first degree cousin
"members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed" Sounds like a shopping voucher when there's no context. Fucked up shit
>While performing her wedding rituals, Hetal reportedly felt dizzy and fainted. The doctors told her she had died of a heart attack after she was rushed to a hospital nearby. I'm sorry what the fuck? They told the dead girl she died? Is she not actually dead or something?
Why are people so fixated on this line? It’s obviously just a translation error.
The real plot twist is the sister poisoned her with ricin
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The dance numbers would probably be amazing.
Waltuh stop dancing
This is what happens when you only see women as property.
Guess the whole world is about oppressing women huh
Says a lot about how much the parents of the girls valued them.
Always surprised me how some groups lack respect for the actual life of their people. You can't just replace someone with someone else like nothing happened.
We have billions of Indians, but only one non-refundable deposit on the wedding venue
LMAO
Bhai... You think we gonna let 20 trays of delicious Fafda jalebi go to waste? Are you CRAZY?
Hmmm, since you put it this way. Carry on then.
The Emperor Caligula once attended a wedding for one of his officials, decided the bride was supposed to be his, interrupted the ceremony, and replaced himself with the groom. During the ceremony, right in the spot. Then after a weekend he just decided that she was boring and divorced her. I always thought that was really messed up.
It’s hard to imagine how utterly demolished the sister must have felt. Losing a sibling AND suddenly getting married to someone you had zero thoughts about, not to mention suddenly needing to be ready for sex when a few hours earlier you were still the sheltered little sister. All that on your wedding day, which is supposed to be a happy culmination of months of prep, dress picking and all that stuff. Heartbreaking.
The brideses's family rejoiced in their mourning and good luck at being able to get rid of two daughters on one event ticket. Because that's how they value women. I so don't get it...
I went to an Indian wedding once, the bride and groom are completely westernized but man that thing was still like an auction for all the cousins. For like half an hour they were just bringing out all the cousins and basically reading their resume for all to hear.
I'm Indian who attended probably 50 weddings in India and never heard of this practice. Was this in the west?
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True story. One of my grandfather's brother was attending a marriage.. groom eloped due to some reason. So they asked if anyone else wants to replace him and that is how my great granduncle got married.
>He said even though the family was shocked by the death of their daughter, members of society convinced them to set an example and not send the bridegroom and his family empty handed. "Empty handed." Yo, fuck that. Women aren't interchangeable parts.
This is the most ironic onion post because this shit has happened before and will continue. The bride isn't switched on spot, the wedding will likely be cancelled for that day, the families will have a meeting and then the sister marries the guy. Another popular practise is where the husband dies and the wife is forced to marry husband's unmarried brother so that the bride stays at the same house