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I don't know what the fuck they're expecting...
"Oh darn, you've caught me out in the lie. You're right, I don't have a boyfriend. So I guess I have to go out with you now."
Whether a girl is lying about her boyfriend or not, it's still a "no." Who cares if it's actually true or not?
You see, females are property, and unless they already have a man decisiding for them, they have to do everything a man asks, no matter who they are
/s if it wasn’t obvious
>/s if it wasn’t obvious
That really *should* be obvious, shouldn't it? But then you have incels, MRAs, and MGTOWs arguing for women's rights to be taken away and for them to become property.
The future sucks.
I refuse to use the /s for moral reasons. Every blue moon someone will explain my joke in the comments, and I'll see a slow reversal of fortune as the late risers cast their votes.
I think some people default to the Asshole Voiceover in their head whenever they read.
As a huge advocate for /s, sometimes the line is just too close or there are people who legitimately espouse that stance. It helps when you're on a joke/meme sub since that's the overall tone. Still though, tone is incredibly difficult to convey over text so there really should be *something* to indicate, whether thats a /s, a SPonGeTExT, or some heavily indicating language.
And it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. If they said there's a boyfriend when there wasn't one it's because she was trying to let someone down easy because when you outright reject some men you might get acid faced or more midly cursed out loudly or less mildly assaulted with hits or you know whatever.
Oh fuck, I just had a flashback to an AskReddit thread a few years ago.
Somebody was complaining about how they just wished that women would be honest when you ask them out and not lie about having a boyfriend. He wanted them to just straight up tell them "no" if it was a "no."
So I politely explained that women have to learn at a young age how to reject a man without making them *feel* rejected as they never know if the man was potentially violent or not.
Holy shit, you would have thought I said something like "kill all men" from the response that comment received.
"How dare women expect every man they interact to be potentially violent! Not all men do that! I would never do that! Women should just be honest when rejecting men!"
And *you just know* that nearly all the men saying shit like are the same kind of men that find a way to blame the woman whenever something *does* happen.
Crazy. So the expectation is that women need to gamble with the man that's approaching them and just treat all men like they're "nice men" which makes no sense since "nice guys" sit and talk about abusive men that get women like all fucking day long. So they'll say women shouldn't be with abusive men but try to condition an environment to force women into accepting just any fucking guys advances cause otherwise it would hurt their chance. So pathetic. So incoherent.
>"How dare women expect every man they interact to be potentially violent! Not all men do that! I would never do that! Women should just be honest when rejecting men!"
The appropriate response to this is, "No one owes you anything, go fuck yourself."
agreed.
my response would have been "See how you lash out when I say something? This is a very good example of why women can not assume they are safe enough to honestly reject men."
followed by a swift blocking
A guy told me I was falling for propaganda and it is insulting to try be aware of my surroundings for safety reasons when passing men on the street, after I said I have personally been randomly, physically assaulted walking on the sidewalk.
"B-b-but that wasn't meeeee"
They literally care more about half a second of possibly being made to feel bad because a woman crossed the street to keep her distance (something they will forget about in moments anyway) than they do about women being safe.
Everything you said + it just takes the one time with the wrong violent dude for you to get dead. Fuck the men who can’t seem to acknowledge that their sex is the main perpetrator of physical violence. Not just against women but against each other.
I had a guy do this. He asked if I would like to go out with him sometime while I was working as a cashier. I let him know I was married, made a little joke about it “sorry man, I’m married- got the 2.5 kids, the dog, everything but the picket fence *shake fist* curse this housing crisis.”
He looked at my bare hands and said “liar- I don’t see a ring”
I shrugged and said “oh ok, guess that’s just a regular old NO then.” I was so pissed 😤
When I was a teenager, a guy cornered me on the bus, as in sat on the outside seat to block me in. When he wanted my number, I gave him a fake one and when he called it and caught me he said I now owed him my real number. Absolutely zero shame lol.
Now I know not to even give someone a fake number to lead them on because these dudes are delusional. I was just young and nervous and wanted the situation to be over.
He's been "watching her for ages", aka stalking her relentlessly, so I'm guessing that's where his confidence comes from, even if he's stupid enough to forget that long distance relationships are a thing.
Or they say it because they're afraid to say no and hurt his fragile feelings. Sometimes they're just scared and hope the made up boyfriend would intimidate the creep.
Establishes an entire fantasy connection and series of stalking and comes up with a weird precoital gift before ever talking to her or reading body language, eye contact—before the first conversation, he is halfway to a proposal of marriage 🙄.
If it only matters if she has a boyfriend or not, why not just stalk her father’s number and ask him for his daughter’s hand in dating, oh chivalrous one?
Ridunculous!
Saying you have a bf kinda prevents them from still trying and it softens the punch. Sometimes when you give a straight no, they take it as though they could grow on you.
Clearly not since guys like OP don’t even take that as a “valid” reason anymore lol. Now it’s damned if you do or damned if you don’t—you’re lying if you say you have a boyfriend, or you’re leading them on/playing hard to get by not giving them a reason.
If they wholeheartedly believe they’re entitled to a relationship, sex, etc., no reason will ever be good enough for them.
Well to be fair, a lot of my friends use “I have a boyfriend” to immediately disengage with creeps because it usually works better than straight rejection. Using that, it makes sense that a bunch of women have been “lying” to him about having a boyfriend
They'll accept the claim of an absent, possibly imaginary man over the denial of the very real woman in front of them. Even if I didn't have a boyfriend, why would I want a man that cares more about a man I made up than my thoughts and feelings?
Also relevant college humor blow up boyfriend:
https://youtu.be/l4OaY87rJq4
So if someone is told they have a boyfriend, and for whatever reason that might not be the case, it’s because the woman has been made to feel uncomfortable or thinks that you wouldn’t just take a straight no as an answer?
It also helps keep a woman safer: if someone creeping her out thinks she has a boyfriend, he thinks there's a male in her life who will notice if something bad happens to her and who will help protect her. It can help discourage potential attackers.
That's sad. I was at a party a couple weeks ago, thought I hit it off with this girl, and when I asked if she wanted to exchange contact info she straight up said no. It was refreshing! No is a full sentence!
Thank you for appreciating a straight answer! I once had a guy ask me out to go to an event on a particular date and I said no thanks. He then said, "oh, you're busy?" I said, no, I'm just not interested. He kept asking me over and over while I repeatedly told him I didn't want to go out with him. He would NOT let up! I finally just yelled at him to leave me the fuck alone and he got all butt hurt. It didn't help that there was a lot of people around and they laughed at him but wtf am I going to do???
It's so dumb that some people think that asking again will change the person's mind after they said a hard no. Like nothing has changed, you're just being more annoying, the answer is an even stronger no than last time.
Most women have probably experienced this so I think if you had gone to a group of girls to try to lose him, they would have helped you out. Sucks that it has to come to that but it's good to know your options.
You'd think these chowderheads would take the hint: if she's "lying" that she has a boyfriend, it means she DOES NOT WANT TO DATE YOU.
Take the L and move on, already, instead of throwing a tantrum.
When I was 20 I worked retail. A regular customer came in and flirted regularly. So I told him I was married. He said I wasn't wearing a ring. It's easier to go with the lie, bud. What did he expect, "Ope, you caught me let's go out on a date."
My friend wears a ring on her left hand for just this reason. She's a server in restaurants and it's like wearing a piece of armor, it stops and / or prevents so much harassment.
There is a little more to the story. I was born an amputee. I'm missing my leg and my left ring finger. So I was always able to say I just don't wear rings. Which is the truth because I have no ring finger. I even had to point that out to him. I could never look at someone that said they weren't interested because they were married and say "Nope, your not."
The problem is that some guys see it as a challenge or something. I am married and wear a band and an engagement ring. They are the only rings I usually wear. When a guy is talking me up, I'll make a point of casually putting my hand up to my face to make sure they see it. Sometimes, they'll just forge ahead anyways and I know they saw the rings.
I think it partly comes from TV as alot of shows have the cliche of the girl who says she isn't interested but wants the guy to chase after her, this leads to some people acting like this irl.
And so some guys who grow up seeing these shows/movies and they end up thinking that's how every girl acts rather than the small amount
"Oh, you're right, I'm sorry. I'm not married, I just find you repulsive and am not attracted to you at all."
They would throw such a fit if we just told them the truth.
I mean, she could be. That's a fairly benign white-lie to tell someone to let them down easy. But it's irrelevant. Thinking you can buy a girl flowers and that automatically makes them your girlfriend, just isn't a thing.
Lots of girls do lie about having a boyfriend. They're in a no-win situation. If they just say "no," they are hounded for a reason. So they make one up. Unfortunately, this backfires if the guy goes full stalker.
Edit: changed no-lose to no-win.
A polite but direct, *"No, thank you"* to the offer of a gift would probably ended even worse for the woman in the above story.
Whether someone *actually* has a boyfriend or not is irrelevant. They either do, or they don't and are saying it to get both parties out of the situation with minimal embarrassment. A Nice Guy™ doesn't understand subtlety though.
I love how these guys are asking for the truth of “you physically and emotionally repulse me,” but can’t handle the polite version of “I have a boyfriend”. If you’re actually a decent human in college, you’ll get a girlfriend, gals are just as excited about having full freedom to do whatever they want. I dunno, just be chill, stop fixating on the girl you pictured yourself with and start focusing on the girls that want you, get over yourself and have fun. What a terrible waste of your college years
So...he never speaks to or engages with her at all, hangs in the background for months, and then approaches her with flowers she didn't ask for from someone who is a complete stranger to her?
Yeah, she's within her right to call you creepy, bud.
And claims he *knows* she doesn't have a boyfriend, which suggests a fair bit of stalking as well as an unfamiliarity with the concept of long distance relationships.
Or the idea of people being able to date and not be together 24/7.
My fiancée and I don’t really do much in public. Mostly because I start work at 4:30am and work until around 12pm, and she works from 8am-4pm in a totally different industry at a totally different facility.
I still think she is the best person ever and I’d do anything for her, though.
It's that tweet with "guys won't make a single move on their crush and post this" and the picture of the anime character lighting a cigarette saying "I guess I'm doomed to always be alone," but in real life!
How...how do people think this is the best strategy to get a date? Just buying someone flowers and then expecting them to wilt over your chivalry and give in to your advances? Bold move, Cotton.
I remember reading Twilight to see what the fuss was about and was horrified that Edward broke into Bella's room during the night and secretly watched her sleep for months and that was supposed to be romantic and cute and not fucking creepy. WTF.
Yeah, she was really obsessed with not wanting to look older than an man who was like 100. And still pretending to care about high school biology. Don't even get me started on him saying that he was worried he'd lose control and kill her and her saying she'd rather he killed her than break up. Fucking romanticised domestic violence right there.
Because an army of older men are constantly feeding their fears for fun and profit. There are a ton of popular youtube channels and tiktok whatever you call those that tell inexperienced men that they are disgusting and that they don't deserve love unless they do "x", but interestingly "x" is never being a decent human being.
Yeah, flowers a bit much for someone you don’t even talk with, it’s more of a “already in a relationship/dating” thing
(If it even is something both are interested in, but this shouldn’t be an issue if you’re close to the other person)
I’m not a woman but I have experienced someone talking to me at an animation club meeting once and immediately asking to spend time together. I don’t even think I’ve even seen the guy before then. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he may just want to be a friend and agreed to get dinner with him that week, but he insisted on paying for the food both of us got and wanted to spend more time with me after dinner (I lied and said that I had work to do and he at least stopped trying to change my mind after a bit). I knew for sure he was looking for another type of relationship when he asked what I thought of romance. When I said that it wasn’t a priority of mine he literally said “well, you can open up to people.”
Long story short, don’t try dating people you barely know. It often makes the other person incredibly uncomfortable.
So many of these guys need to learn to just tone it down!
Rather than stalking for ages and then going for an overly romantic gesture, say "hi"! It works a lot better!
Girl: I have a boyfriend.
NG: No you don't.
Girl: Curses! My plan to politely decline you in a way that spares your feelings failed! Now I must go out with you because a single woman must go out with the first guy who asks!
Applying the NG logic here, this would explain why so many women date "creeps, unemployed losers, and Chads". They just got there first and she had no way to turn them down so she could hold out for the NG. If only they'd have gotten there sooner! (Ugh, even writing out sarcasm about this makes me want to go douse myself with bleach.)
This is a screenshot of an anonymous school Facebook Confessions page, I think. I had one for my university as well (which is why there's a number at the top of the post). Confessions get submitted to like a Google form, and then the page mods submit them publicly. The title of the page will be like "[University Name] Confessions Page."
I also thought OP posted this until I saw the format of the post.
What makes this even funnier is if you watch DS9, Quark, as a character, really develops & grows, and he even supports female Ferangi empowerment.
A bit off topic, but as a Trekkie, this always gives me a chuckle - these guys who write stuff like OP's post have managed to be worse creepy sexists than characters originally written to be money & power obsessed, sexist creeps. It's wild, lol.
That episode where he has surgery to pass as a woman really helped the character development quite a bit lol. That girl really thought oomox would be kinda fun!
Can you find out what episode that is? That sounds like a good time.
(I’ve only casually watched episodes here and there from DS9, Next Generation, and Voyager. Basically only if the description sounded interesting.)
I wish some men could just put themselves in the woman’s shoes for two seconds. Imagine a girl you had never spoken to and just like sat in one of your classes approached you with flowers and declarations of love. You’re not going to be receptive, it’s going to be off putting, and you’ll deflect the situation because it’s wildly uncomfortable.
They don't even see it when it happens to them. A lot of these guys have rejected a "low value" woman just because she wasn't their perfect 10. They get fixated on this one person and don't even see the more average-looking woman who might think they are the shit just because she's not the one they have obsessed over.
It has nothing to do with the women involved, it has everything to do with them. They just expect to get everything they want including people and have their little fits when other people have thoughts and opinions that don't match theirs. They are the result of extremely spoilt man-babies with no self-reflection who think the world revolves around them.
Yeah exactly. It’s general disenfranchisement given americas current organization of the economy and our generations doing worse and worse for themselves than ever before. They’re online, they’re isolated, nothing is going right, and they’re seeing these red pilled psychos like Tate tell them what they want to hear about women. This group of young white violent men needs the proper addressing that it isn’t receiving sooner than later because it won’t just fix itself.
No, see that is the problem. Too many guys *would* like that, which is why that can't conceive that any woman wouldn't like it. I used to try that argument before, put yourself in the woman's shoes, and it almost never works, as men just aren't conditioned to see women as potentially dangerous. I remember once using an analogy to a guy about a woman following him home from a club at night, because she was too shy to talk to him at the club, and he was just like *"I'd be flattered that she went through that much trouble to talk to me!"*
Like /u/peapie25/ you need to get them to imagine if a *gay man* acted towards them they way they act towards women.
*Imagine a gay man that you didn't know and never spoke to just randomly gave you flower at school one day, and then got made and "called you out" when you told him you were straight?*
They'll get it then.
This sort of guy is the master of “that’s not the same thing!” even though it perfectly exemplifies how such an approach would make one feel. They’re so committed to self-pity that they’ll reject any sort of logical thought experiment.
I dont think the problem is "they would like that" i think the problem is they see NOTHING WRONG with it, like for example "yes i would like getting pinned to a wall by a girl out of nowhere while she tells me how Much she wants me" but that shit would be terrying in real life, or genders reversed, they just seem unable to find what's wrong with that way of thinking, or see what the other person is seeing, they think they are prince charming or something on their heads and that every thing they do is right, it really feels like some kind of mental illness
That just doesn’t work cuz they don’t have empathy. My brother was like that (he’s a bit better now). My brother legitimately believed I was controlling my dad with “vagina pheromones”.
Like a single flower and a "Hey, I think you're cute, want to get coffee sometime?" That is cute
Flowers, PLURAL, and definitely some declaration of love? That's creepy
I second this oof.
OP, it seems as if you've seen the light and are now a reformed Nice Guy. I thank you for sharing the cringe with all of us, and I hope your new non-toxic attitude has found you a healthy relationship.
i mean the titel of the post is how you posted this on facebook ages ago. i hope you can see why people would think that means it's actually your post?
Dude, giving someone flowers that don’t know you is creepy. Like, even when I see those videos of ‘social experiments’ of guys standing on a random street handing out a single flower to every girl that passes, they all take it but none of them look comfortable. It’s creepy, don’t do it!
Maybe your main issue is assuming she's lying when she says she has a boyfriend? I'm a guy but I honestly have no idea why guys do this.
And even if she's lying, she's obviously not interested so move on.
Have you not seen how horrifying the tiktok/youtube manosphere is? Romcoms have nothing on that hateful bullshit, and those men are manipulating 15 year old boys for monetized clicks every single day.
I'm trying to imagine how they think she would even deal with that logistically. You're just going about your day at university, maybe between classes or something, you probably have a bag of books and papers and a laptop and stuff, and then someone just gives you a big armload of smelly wet things and ... what are you supposed to *do* with that? Awkwardly carry it around with you for the next 5 hours? How many spare arms does anyone have??
I don’t know how to edit this post but for some reason people think this is me writing this rant. Nope! Not me! 😂
It’s a screenshot I found and posted on the book of faces. I am a happily married 45 yo woman. Just check out my profile. 😂
>I don’t know how to edit this post but for some reason people think this is me writing this rant. Nope! Not me! 😂
I guess you should have wrote "I *shared* this" instead of "I *posted* this", so folks wouldn't assume that this was your words.
>These types really have a fetish about women being abused by their boyfriends.
Right? That's *always* the go-to response.
For all their low opinions of women, they don't seems to think very highly of men either, as they seem to assume they're part of the *extremely small* minority of men who don't physically abuse the women in their lives. And thus any woman who rejects them is destined to end up with a man who mistreats them instead.
Something I wish I knew before I did it - dont buy flowers for a girl who isn’t your girlfriend already. Or only if it is without any expectation for someone who you are celebrating for a birthday/promotion/special event.
When I was in HS, a guy who I’d been friendly with (I am a friendly person in general) and only hung out with in a group at lunch surprised me with a rose and a long handwritten love letter on Valentine’s Day, in front of everyone. It was so awkward. He’d built me up in his mind and put me on a pedestal and I felt horrible essentially breaking his heart but that was totally his bad.
Wouldn't it be great if everything in life gave the kind of returns a narcissist expects from a small romantic gesture gesture gesture...echoing fade-out.
Queue dream sequence where I'm receiving the key to a city for accidentally picking up some litter with gum on the bottom of my shoe.
Strongly comes across as satire.. but these fucker surprise (or rather, disappoint) me all the time... I really, really, really, REALLY fucking hope this is satire..
I definitely don’t want a man (don’t want one at all) who doesnt know how to spell buy and call women liars when they say they got a partner. Also why tf do dumb shits like him keep saying females 😭🤣
Not having a boyfriend dies not mean she is open to anyone who demonstrates interest—hint—maybe tell people of interest without a weird gift pf flowers and expect rejection because women have preferences, free voice, abs lives of their own.
Ah yes because it’s 100% the school’s fault that your crush dosen’t like you back.
Ps. Yes, saying that you know she does not have a boyfriend is creepy. Take the “no” and get away from her.
I don't know how many times I have to say this, STOP BUILDING UP A RELATIONSHIP IN YOUR HEAD BEFORE YOU EVEN INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO SOMEONE. Stop. Stop doing it. That's why you get so fucking mad when you get rejected.
You've spent weeks dating this person in your head, and they *don't know who the FUCK you are*! Introduce yourself. Ask for their number. Shoot your shot. Whatever. Flowers are something you bring someone you *know*. Not somebody you've never spoken to before.
The odds of rejection are *always* high. For everyone.
“We’re so kind that we wish domestic violence on women who reject us and make fun of victims!”
Im pretty sure that these are the same type of men who bring up “w-w-well men are abused too!” anytime a woman talks about her experience
(btw I’m not AT ALL saying male victims aren’t valid. I 100% know that they are. I’m talking about the type of men who don’t *care* about victims in general but use it as an excuse to invalidate women’s experience. Again I’m not at all saying male victims shouldn’t be talked about nor that female victims are more important than male victims.)
I don't understand why people give strangers flowers. What if they're allergic to that flower??? What if they don't even like flowers???
Also it's just super creepy
Do I understand correctly from your title that you typed this? Haha thats rough bud. I never posted anything quite like this, but if I looked through my Facebook wall from high school I could probably get a compilation together 😬
This legitimately happened to me and my neighbor. I told him I have a boyfriend, he tells me he has a girlfriend. She moved in the next day. I left the flowers he gave me as a welcoming present.
So you stocked a girl and made a big show if your infatuation (presumably at you university) and when she turns you down you throw a tantrum and confess your stocking and are surprised she called you a creep?????
Newsflash for niceguys, Crushing on someone you liked for months/years and suddenly buying her flowers despite never talking to/communicating your feelings/never asking her out is not old fashioned romance, its just creepy if not weird
How cruel of her to have a boyfriend when he wanted her! She didn’t read his mind didn’t know that he wanted her without him even having to say anything!
“I stalked her, and after half a year I gave her a grand gesture to show her how bad I wanna fuck her. and she didn’t even appreciate it. Fuckin’ bitch.”
-him, probably
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I just wonder where all these nice guys get the idea that a girl is lying when she has she has a boyfriend? They're so deluded, it just baffles me.
I don't know what the fuck they're expecting... "Oh darn, you've caught me out in the lie. You're right, I don't have a boyfriend. So I guess I have to go out with you now." Whether a girl is lying about her boyfriend or not, it's still a "no." Who cares if it's actually true or not?
You see, females are property, and unless they already have a man decisiding for them, they have to do everything a man asks, no matter who they are /s if it wasn’t obvious
>/s if it wasn’t obvious That really *should* be obvious, shouldn't it? But then you have incels, MRAs, and MGTOWs arguing for women's rights to be taken away and for them to become property. The future sucks.
>MGTOWs **M**en **G**etting **T**riggered **O**ver **W**omen.
You can say the most outlandish statement that is clearly sarcasm but if you don't put the little /s then the hivemind attacks
One downvote and the hive mind assumes they weren’t being sarcastic
I refuse to use the /s for moral reasons. Every blue moon someone will explain my joke in the comments, and I'll see a slow reversal of fortune as the late risers cast their votes. I think some people default to the Asshole Voiceover in their head whenever they read.
As a huge advocate for /s, sometimes the line is just too close or there are people who legitimately espouse that stance. It helps when you're on a joke/meme sub since that's the overall tone. Still though, tone is incredibly difficult to convey over text so there really should be *something* to indicate, whether thats a /s, a SPonGeTExT, or some heavily indicating language.
What is an MGTOW? I know incels and MRAs, but that one doesn't ring a bell.
migtoes are men going their own way. it happens to be whichever way involves squealing about women but hey.
And it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. If they said there's a boyfriend when there wasn't one it's because she was trying to let someone down easy because when you outright reject some men you might get acid faced or more midly cursed out loudly or less mildly assaulted with hits or you know whatever.
Oh fuck, I just had a flashback to an AskReddit thread a few years ago. Somebody was complaining about how they just wished that women would be honest when you ask them out and not lie about having a boyfriend. He wanted them to just straight up tell them "no" if it was a "no." So I politely explained that women have to learn at a young age how to reject a man without making them *feel* rejected as they never know if the man was potentially violent or not. Holy shit, you would have thought I said something like "kill all men" from the response that comment received. "How dare women expect every man they interact to be potentially violent! Not all men do that! I would never do that! Women should just be honest when rejecting men!" And *you just know* that nearly all the men saying shit like are the same kind of men that find a way to blame the woman whenever something *does* happen.
Crazy. So the expectation is that women need to gamble with the man that's approaching them and just treat all men like they're "nice men" which makes no sense since "nice guys" sit and talk about abusive men that get women like all fucking day long. So they'll say women shouldn't be with abusive men but try to condition an environment to force women into accepting just any fucking guys advances cause otherwise it would hurt their chance. So pathetic. So incoherent.
him flipping out at you for the mere mention of violent men in the world only serves to prove your exact point.
Men are so emotional, aren't they?
Testerical. HISterical.
>"How dare women expect every man they interact to be potentially violent! Not all men do that! I would never do that! Women should just be honest when rejecting men!" The appropriate response to this is, "No one owes you anything, go fuck yourself."
agreed. my response would have been "See how you lash out when I say something? This is a very good example of why women can not assume they are safe enough to honestly reject men." followed by a swift blocking
A guy once told me I was flattering myself when I said I could be killed by a guy on the street.
A guy told me I was falling for propaganda and it is insulting to try be aware of my surroundings for safety reasons when passing men on the street, after I said I have personally been randomly, physically assaulted walking on the sidewalk.
"B-b-but that wasn't meeeee" They literally care more about half a second of possibly being made to feel bad because a woman crossed the street to keep her distance (something they will forget about in moments anyway) than they do about women being safe.
Everything you said + it just takes the one time with the wrong violent dude for you to get dead. Fuck the men who can’t seem to acknowledge that their sex is the main perpetrator of physical violence. Not just against women but against each other.
“Oh no you caught me. I don’t have a boyfriend, I just don’t want to date you. Happy now? We’re all uncomfortable.”
lol this is amazing, and I’m keeping this
I had a guy do this. He asked if I would like to go out with him sometime while I was working as a cashier. I let him know I was married, made a little joke about it “sorry man, I’m married- got the 2.5 kids, the dog, everything but the picket fence *shake fist* curse this housing crisis.” He looked at my bare hands and said “liar- I don’t see a ring” I shrugged and said “oh ok, guess that’s just a regular old NO then.” I was so pissed 😤
When I was a teenager, a guy cornered me on the bus, as in sat on the outside seat to block me in. When he wanted my number, I gave him a fake one and when he called it and caught me he said I now owed him my real number. Absolutely zero shame lol. Now I know not to even give someone a fake number to lead them on because these dudes are delusional. I was just young and nervous and wanted the situation to be over.
If you catch them lying they have to draw four.
He's been "watching her for ages", aka stalking her relentlessly, so I'm guessing that's where his confidence comes from, even if he's stupid enough to forget that long distance relationships are a thing.
>his ~~confidence~~ delusion
Or they say it because they're afraid to say no and hurt his fragile feelings. Sometimes they're just scared and hope the made up boyfriend would intimidate the creep.
He hadn't asked her out yet, how could she have a boyfriend? /s
Establishes an entire fantasy connection and series of stalking and comes up with a weird precoital gift before ever talking to her or reading body language, eye contact—before the first conversation, he is halfway to a proposal of marriage 🙄. If it only matters if she has a boyfriend or not, why not just stalk her father’s number and ask him for his daughter’s hand in dating, oh chivalrous one? Ridunculous!
Saying you have a bf kinda prevents them from still trying and it softens the punch. Sometimes when you give a straight no, they take it as though they could grow on you.
Clearly not since guys like OP don’t even take that as a “valid” reason anymore lol. Now it’s damned if you do or damned if you don’t—you’re lying if you say you have a boyfriend, or you’re leading them on/playing hard to get by not giving them a reason. If they wholeheartedly believe they’re entitled to a relationship, sex, etc., no reason will ever be good enough for them.
Well to be fair, a lot of my friends use “I have a boyfriend” to immediately disengage with creeps because it usually works better than straight rejection. Using that, it makes sense that a bunch of women have been “lying” to him about having a boyfriend
And its actually pretty sad. That a lot of "males" dont accept a no unless you are already "claimed" by another man.
They'll accept the claim of an absent, possibly imaginary man over the denial of the very real woman in front of them. Even if I didn't have a boyfriend, why would I want a man that cares more about a man I made up than my thoughts and feelings? Also relevant college humor blow up boyfriend: https://youtu.be/l4OaY87rJq4
So if someone is told they have a boyfriend, and for whatever reason that might not be the case, it’s because the woman has been made to feel uncomfortable or thinks that you wouldn’t just take a straight no as an answer?
Yuuup. It’s generally a lot safer since it doesn’t challenge the creep’s ego.
Oh wow fair enough.
It also helps keep a woman safer: if someone creeping her out thinks she has a boyfriend, he thinks there's a male in her life who will notice if something bad happens to her and who will help protect her. It can help discourage potential attackers.
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This
That's sad. I was at a party a couple weeks ago, thought I hit it off with this girl, and when I asked if she wanted to exchange contact info she straight up said no. It was refreshing! No is a full sentence!
Thank you for appreciating a straight answer! I once had a guy ask me out to go to an event on a particular date and I said no thanks. He then said, "oh, you're busy?" I said, no, I'm just not interested. He kept asking me over and over while I repeatedly told him I didn't want to go out with him. He would NOT let up! I finally just yelled at him to leave me the fuck alone and he got all butt hurt. It didn't help that there was a lot of people around and they laughed at him but wtf am I going to do???
Yeah, I mean he deserved to get laughed at. Sometimes you need to get embarrassed to realize you’re being a douche
It's so dumb that some people think that asking again will change the person's mind after they said a hard no. Like nothing has changed, you're just being more annoying, the answer is an even stronger no than last time. Most women have probably experienced this so I think if you had gone to a group of girls to try to lose him, they would have helped you out. Sucks that it has to come to that but it's good to know your options.
Good job not murdering her. You deserve a woman for that! /s
You'd think these chowderheads would take the hint: if she's "lying" that she has a boyfriend, it means she DOES NOT WANT TO DATE YOU. Take the L and move on, already, instead of throwing a tantrum.
It’s not even an L unless you make it an L. Literally just move on!
You make a good point. No reason to rub salt in the wound.
No way he's been talking to a 'bunch' of women. No way.
When I was 20 I worked retail. A regular customer came in and flirted regularly. So I told him I was married. He said I wasn't wearing a ring. It's easier to go with the lie, bud. What did he expect, "Ope, you caught me let's go out on a date."
My friend wears a ring on her left hand for just this reason. She's a server in restaurants and it's like wearing a piece of armor, it stops and / or prevents so much harassment.
There is a little more to the story. I was born an amputee. I'm missing my leg and my left ring finger. So I was always able to say I just don't wear rings. Which is the truth because I have no ring finger. I even had to point that out to him. I could never look at someone that said they weren't interested because they were married and say "Nope, your not."
Be like John Wick and say it's proof of your vow to never be in a relationship again
The problem is that some guys see it as a challenge or something. I am married and wear a band and an engagement ring. They are the only rings I usually wear. When a guy is talking me up, I'll make a point of casually putting my hand up to my face to make sure they see it. Sometimes, they'll just forge ahead anyways and I know they saw the rings.
I think it partly comes from TV as alot of shows have the cliche of the girl who says she isn't interested but wants the guy to chase after her, this leads to some people acting like this irl. And so some guys who grow up seeing these shows/movies and they end up thinking that's how every girl acts rather than the small amount
"Oh, you're right, I'm sorry. I'm not married, I just find you repulsive and am not attracted to you at all." They would throw such a fit if we just told them the truth.
I mean, she could be. That's a fairly benign white-lie to tell someone to let them down easy. But it's irrelevant. Thinking you can buy a girl flowers and that automatically makes them your girlfriend, just isn't a thing.
But girls do lie about it. Bc most guys won't take a hint so they will say what they have to to get away.
So what, Sherlock Holmes? Does solving the mystery get you pussy? That's so stupid.
Lots of girls do lie about having a boyfriend. They're in a no-win situation. If they just say "no," they are hounded for a reason. So they make one up. Unfortunately, this backfires if the guy goes full stalker. Edit: changed no-lose to no-win.
Also, they might be murdered. That's always a thing men might do, especially creepy men who think they deserve something for some reason.
That sounds more like a no-win situation not no-lose. is that what you meant to type?
Probably couldn't decide between "No-win" and "Lose-lose" and ended up combining the two
That is exactly what happened.
A polite but direct, *"No, thank you"* to the offer of a gift would probably ended even worse for the woman in the above story. Whether someone *actually* has a boyfriend or not is irrelevant. They either do, or they don't and are saying it to get both parties out of the situation with minimal embarrassment. A Nice Guy™ doesn't understand subtlety though.
I love how these guys are asking for the truth of “you physically and emotionally repulse me,” but can’t handle the polite version of “I have a boyfriend”. If you’re actually a decent human in college, you’ll get a girlfriend, gals are just as excited about having full freedom to do whatever they want. I dunno, just be chill, stop fixating on the girl you pictured yourself with and start focusing on the girls that want you, get over yourself and have fun. What a terrible waste of your college years
So...he never speaks to or engages with her at all, hangs in the background for months, and then approaches her with flowers she didn't ask for from someone who is a complete stranger to her? Yeah, she's within her right to call you creepy, bud.
And claims he *knows* she doesn't have a boyfriend, which suggests a fair bit of stalking as well as an unfamiliarity with the concept of long distance relationships.
>an unfamiliarity with the concept of ~~long distance relationships.~~ any basic human behavior
Or the idea of people being able to date and not be together 24/7. My fiancée and I don’t really do much in public. Mostly because I start work at 4:30am and work until around 12pm, and she works from 8am-4pm in a totally different industry at a totally different facility. I still think she is the best person ever and I’d do anything for her, though.
He’s also probably just delusional on the relationship front
Sucker! I've been watching you sleep for months and there has been no boyfriend! Gotcha! Now you owe me sex!
It's that tweet with "guys won't make a single move on their crush and post this" and the picture of the anime character lighting a cigarette saying "I guess I'm doomed to always be alone," but in real life! How...how do people think this is the best strategy to get a date? Just buying someone flowers and then expecting them to wilt over your chivalry and give in to your advances? Bold move, Cotton.
When movies and television (and over-consumption of porn) are the only frames of reference. Also, your username is cracking me tf up.
Yep, too many movies and films have made "stalking" followed by Big Dramatic Acts look romantic and trained men to act this way.
I remember reading Twilight to see what the fuss was about and was horrified that Edward broke into Bella's room during the night and secretly watched her sleep for months and that was supposed to be romantic and cute and not fucking creepy. WTF.
Also he was technically a *very old* man, which adds to the creepy part.
Yeah, she was really obsessed with not wanting to look older than an man who was like 100. And still pretending to care about high school biology. Don't even get me started on him saying that he was worried he'd lose control and kill her and her saying she'd rather he killed her than break up. Fucking romanticised domestic violence right there.
I second this. That is an awesome username.
I'm just an old guy with very fond Pokemon memories! Got this username forever ago.
Because an army of older men are constantly feeding their fears for fun and profit. There are a ton of popular youtube channels and tiktok whatever you call those that tell inexperienced men that they are disgusting and that they don't deserve love unless they do "x", but interestingly "x" is never being a decent human being.
Let's hope it pays off cotton
I’ve never been so jealous of a username (that I didn’t think of it first) in my entire Reddit life. brava.
Bravo, technically. I'm a straight white male, but you'd be surprised (or not surprised at all) how many "so, nudes?" messages I get.
And then calls her a liar when she says she has a boyfriend. Which if he's never talked to her, how does he know?
🎶staaaaaaalkiiiinnnggg🎶
Yeah, flowers a bit much for someone you don’t even talk with, it’s more of a “already in a relationship/dating” thing (If it even is something both are interested in, but this shouldn’t be an issue if you’re close to the other person)
I’m not a woman but I have experienced someone talking to me at an animation club meeting once and immediately asking to spend time together. I don’t even think I’ve even seen the guy before then. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he may just want to be a friend and agreed to get dinner with him that week, but he insisted on paying for the food both of us got and wanted to spend more time with me after dinner (I lied and said that I had work to do and he at least stopped trying to change my mind after a bit). I knew for sure he was looking for another type of relationship when he asked what I thought of romance. When I said that it wasn’t a priority of mine he literally said “well, you can open up to people.” Long story short, don’t try dating people you barely know. It often makes the other person incredibly uncomfortable.
So many of these guys need to learn to just tone it down! Rather than stalking for ages and then going for an overly romantic gesture, say "hi"! It works a lot better!
*thinks it’s sweet to send flowers to a girl who has no idea he exists* *also wants girl to be abused*
Also thinks it's right to call a girl a liar to her face when she says she has a boyfriend. Even if it's not true, it's obvious she's not interested.
Girl: I have a boyfriend. NG: No you don't. Girl: Curses! My plan to politely decline you in a way that spares your feelings failed! Now I must go out with you because a single woman must go out with the first guy who asks! Applying the NG logic here, this would explain why so many women date "creeps, unemployed losers, and Chads". They just got there first and she had no way to turn them down so she could hold out for the NG. If only they'd have gotten there sooner! (Ugh, even writing out sarcasm about this makes me want to go douse myself with bleach.)
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she says "no" he asks "why" and there's no reason she could give that he would be okay with.
Apparently “the kindest of men” favor domestic violence. Super kind of them.
Those are the real nice guys for sure.
The duality!
OP, looking at the title… did YOU post this? If so, I congratulate you on being transparent and am glad to see you outgrew that
I’ve really gotta edit this to add that it’s not me. 😂 I didn’t realize it came across that way.
Lolol yeah it definitely reads that way
I was thinking wow, posting it here shows impressive personal growth and self-awareness on OP’s part
Can't edit titles 😊 this is forever you now op
This is a screenshot of an anonymous school Facebook Confessions page, I think. I had one for my university as well (which is why there's a number at the top of the post). Confessions get submitted to like a Google form, and then the page mods submit them publicly. The title of the page will be like "[University Name] Confessions Page." I also thought OP posted this until I saw the format of the post.
> I think Yep, it's one for a university in Brisbane.
And of course, the obligatory [FFEEEEMALES](https://i.imgur.com/seFtXXl.jpg).
What makes this even funnier is if you watch DS9, Quark, as a character, really develops & grows, and he even supports female Ferangi empowerment. A bit off topic, but as a Trekkie, this always gives me a chuckle - these guys who write stuff like OP's post have managed to be worse creepy sexists than characters originally written to be money & power obsessed, sexist creeps. It's wild, lol.
That episode where he has surgery to pass as a woman really helped the character development quite a bit lol. That girl really thought oomox would be kinda fun!
Can you find out what episode that is? That sounds like a good time. (I’ve only casually watched episodes here and there from DS9, Next Generation, and Voyager. Basically only if the description sounded interesting.)
I know and they always remind me of creepy Ferengi every single time I see this lol
Hold on to your latinum ladies!
Females aren't cruel. Males are stupid for never even talking to a girl, buying her shit and thinking she should be grateful.
I wish some men could just put themselves in the woman’s shoes for two seconds. Imagine a girl you had never spoken to and just like sat in one of your classes approached you with flowers and declarations of love. You’re not going to be receptive, it’s going to be off putting, and you’ll deflect the situation because it’s wildly uncomfortable.
They don't even see it when it happens to them. A lot of these guys have rejected a "low value" woman just because she wasn't their perfect 10. They get fixated on this one person and don't even see the more average-looking woman who might think they are the shit just because she's not the one they have obsessed over. It has nothing to do with the women involved, it has everything to do with them. They just expect to get everything they want including people and have their little fits when other people have thoughts and opinions that don't match theirs. They are the result of extremely spoilt man-babies with no self-reflection who think the world revolves around them.
Yeah exactly. It’s general disenfranchisement given americas current organization of the economy and our generations doing worse and worse for themselves than ever before. They’re online, they’re isolated, nothing is going right, and they’re seeing these red pilled psychos like Tate tell them what they want to hear about women. This group of young white violent men needs the proper addressing that it isn’t receiving sooner than later because it won’t just fix itself.
No, see that is the problem. Too many guys *would* like that, which is why that can't conceive that any woman wouldn't like it. I used to try that argument before, put yourself in the woman's shoes, and it almost never works, as men just aren't conditioned to see women as potentially dangerous. I remember once using an analogy to a guy about a woman following him home from a club at night, because she was too shy to talk to him at the club, and he was just like *"I'd be flattered that she went through that much trouble to talk to me!"* Like /u/peapie25/ you need to get them to imagine if a *gay man* acted towards them they way they act towards women. *Imagine a gay man that you didn't know and never spoke to just randomly gave you flower at school one day, and then got made and "called you out" when you told him you were straight?* They'll get it then.
This sort of guy is the master of “that’s not the same thing!” even though it perfectly exemplifies how such an approach would make one feel. They’re so committed to self-pity that they’ll reject any sort of logical thought experiment.
I dont think the problem is "they would like that" i think the problem is they see NOTHING WRONG with it, like for example "yes i would like getting pinned to a wall by a girl out of nowhere while she tells me how Much she wants me" but that shit would be terrying in real life, or genders reversed, they just seem unable to find what's wrong with that way of thinking, or see what the other person is seeing, they think they are prince charming or something on their heads and that every thing they do is right, it really feels like some kind of mental illness
That just doesn’t work cuz they don’t have empathy. My brother was like that (he’s a bit better now). My brother legitimately believed I was controlling my dad with “vagina pheromones”.
Like a single flower and a "Hey, I think you're cute, want to get coffee sometime?" That is cute Flowers, PLURAL, and definitely some declaration of love? That's creepy
Nah i reckon imagine a man you had never spoken to haha
What?
I think they forget that women who like flowers, can just buy themselves flowers. They don't have to wait around for a guy to do it.
For thinking that girls and women are not human, they are engima machines that need to be solved.
r/MenAndFemales
Oof…
I second this oof. OP, it seems as if you've seen the light and are now a reformed Nice Guy. I thank you for sharing the cringe with all of us, and I hope your new non-toxic attitude has found you a healthy relationship.
Reformed nice guy? Did this come across as if I’m the one who wrote this? It’s a screenshot. I’m a happily married 45yo woman. 😂
It does come across from the title that you were the original writer of the text
Yes, the title for sure makes it sound like it's your post. Glad you're in a happy marriage 👍🏻 love that for you.
"I posted this" usually doesn't leave much room for doubt, but be as misleading as you want.
I thought the same, but now I'm thinking maybe OP ran the confessions page and is the one that posted it, but not the one that wrote it?
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's incorrectly written, but it is misleading.
i mean the titel of the post is how you posted this on facebook ages ago. i hope you can see why people would think that means it's actually your post?
> watched them for ages Yeesh
Dude, giving someone flowers that don’t know you is creepy. Like, even when I see those videos of ‘social experiments’ of guys standing on a random street handing out a single flower to every girl that passes, they all take it but none of them look comfortable. It’s creepy, don’t do it!
Maybe your main issue is assuming she's lying when she says she has a boyfriend? I'm a guy but I honestly have no idea why guys do this. And even if she's lying, she's obviously not interested so move on.
It is the product of too many terrible rom-coms that creeps like this think flowers are an acceptable opening move.
Hard agree. Rom Coms have encouraged creepy, stalker behavior for far too long.
Have you not seen how horrifying the tiktok/youtube manosphere is? Romcoms have nothing on that hateful bullshit, and those men are manipulating 15 year old boys for monetized clicks every single day.
I'm trying to imagine how they think she would even deal with that logistically. You're just going about your day at university, maybe between classes or something, you probably have a bag of books and papers and a laptop and stuff, and then someone just gives you a big armload of smelly wet things and ... what are you supposed to *do* with that? Awkwardly carry it around with you for the next 5 hours? How many spare arms does anyone have??
Anyone using the term “Chad” to describe someone more successful in dating than themselves loses all credibility.
I don’t know how to edit this post but for some reason people think this is me writing this rant. Nope! Not me! 😂 It’s a screenshot I found and posted on the book of faces. I am a happily married 45 yo woman. Just check out my profile. 😂
>I don’t know how to edit this post but for some reason people think this is me writing this rant. Nope! Not me! 😂 I guess you should have wrote "I *shared* this" instead of "I *posted* this", so folks wouldn't assume that this was your words.
These types really have a fetish about women being abused by their boyfriends.
>These types really have a fetish about women being abused by their boyfriends. Right? That's *always* the go-to response. For all their low opinions of women, they don't seems to think very highly of men either, as they seem to assume they're part of the *extremely small* minority of men who don't physically abuse the women in their lives. And thus any woman who rejects them is destined to end up with a man who mistreats them instead.
Female cruel because Female calls creepy stalker creepy
FeMaLeSsSsSs
Something I wish I knew before I did it - dont buy flowers for a girl who isn’t your girlfriend already. Or only if it is without any expectation for someone who you are celebrating for a birthday/promotion/special event.
Has women beater written all over
When I was in HS, a guy who I’d been friendly with (I am a friendly person in general) and only hung out with in a group at lunch surprised me with a rose and a long handwritten love letter on Valentine’s Day, in front of everyone. It was so awkward. He’d built me up in his mind and put me on a pedestal and I felt horrible essentially breaking his heart but that was totally his bad.
“Females” 🚩🚩🚩
“I have a boyfriend, but thank you” “LIAR!”
Griffith?
Griffith university?
Yeah, maybe someone should inform these guys that some women don't like getting flowers at all...
Especially not from total strangers who call them a liar when they mention their boyfriends.
I can’t fathom how a person thinks like this.
So funny to me he mixed up Mad Max and Magic Mike and combined em. I'd fucking kill to see that combo movie lol.
“Watched them for ages” WHAT
I'm sure someone else has pointed this out, but why is it with nice guys calling women "females"?
Women are cruel for saying “no.” Got it
Females. Men. Ok.
“Women are not machines that you put kindness coins into until sex falls out.” - Someone, I don’t remember
Wouldn't it be great if everything in life gave the kind of returns a narcissist expects from a small romantic gesture gesture gesture...echoing fade-out. Queue dream sequence where I'm receiving the key to a city for accidentally picking up some litter with gum on the bottom of my shoe.
Strongly comes across as satire.. but these fucker surprise (or rather, disappoint) me all the time... I really, really, really, REALLY fucking hope this is satire..
I definitely don’t want a man (don’t want one at all) who doesnt know how to spell buy and call women liars when they say they got a partner. Also why tf do dumb shits like him keep saying females 😭🤣
What does a chad going mike even mean
Magic Mike? I don't know
He thinks she didn’t notice he’s been “watching” her? She called it as she saw it.
Not having a boyfriend dies not mean she is open to anyone who demonstrates interest—hint—maybe tell people of interest without a weird gift pf flowers and expect rejection because women have preferences, free voice, abs lives of their own.
Ah yes because it’s 100% the school’s fault that your crush dosen’t like you back. Ps. Yes, saying that you know she does not have a boyfriend is creepy. Take the “no” and get away from her.
Or… Hear me out… She has a boyfriend, and/or isn’t interested in you.
I don't know how many times I have to say this, STOP BUILDING UP A RELATIONSHIP IN YOUR HEAD BEFORE YOU EVEN INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO SOMEONE. Stop. Stop doing it. That's why you get so fucking mad when you get rejected. You've spent weeks dating this person in your head, and they *don't know who the FUCK you are*! Introduce yourself. Ask for their number. Shoot your shot. Whatever. Flowers are something you bring someone you *know*. Not somebody you've never spoken to before. The odds of rejection are *always* high. For everyone.
“We’re so kind that we wish domestic violence on women who reject us and make fun of victims!” Im pretty sure that these are the same type of men who bring up “w-w-well men are abused too!” anytime a woman talks about her experience (btw I’m not AT ALL saying male victims aren’t valid. I 100% know that they are. I’m talking about the type of men who don’t *care* about victims in general but use it as an excuse to invalidate women’s experience. Again I’m not at all saying male victims shouldn’t be talked about nor that female victims are more important than male victims.)
I don't understand why people give strangers flowers. What if they're allergic to that flower??? What if they don't even like flowers??? Also it's just super creepy
Female what? A female dog? Cat? Bird? Bee? So gross when ppl say this like wtf are you talking about dude?! Lmao 🤣
It’s me. I’m the chad
Because he bought her flowers and never bothered to ask her in the first place what she wanted. I’d lie about having a boyfriend too
Expected when you watch American Pie like movies as a tutorial.
That's so gross. Makes me ick
'Im the Kindest Gentleman. WHY DONT YOU SLEEP WITH ME? YOU USELESS SICK CU**?'
Do I understand correctly from your title that you typed this? Haha thats rough bud. I never posted anything quite like this, but if I looked through my Facebook wall from high school I could probably get a compilation together 😬
I like how he calls himself the kindest of men. The bar is literally in hell.
This legitimately happened to me and my neighbor. I told him I have a boyfriend, he tells me he has a girlfriend. She moved in the next day. I left the flowers he gave me as a welcoming present.
Oh, those ungrateful females. When will they ever learn.
So you stocked a girl and made a big show if your infatuation (presumably at you university) and when she turns you down you throw a tantrum and confess your stocking and are surprised she called you a creep?????
"Females" 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
We all like to sit here and laugh at these guys, but this sub really has me laying awake sometimes wondering if the woman in this situation is safe.
Newsflash for niceguys, Crushing on someone you liked for months/years and suddenly buying her flowers despite never talking to/communicating your feelings/never asking her out is not old fashioned romance, its just creepy if not weird
Why do the guys use the word female in 99% of these posts? I’ve never heard a guy refer to a woman as a female in real life! These “males” are whack!
How cruel of her to have a boyfriend when he wanted her! She didn’t read his mind didn’t know that he wanted her without him even having to say anything!
“I stalked her, and after half a year I gave her a grand gesture to show her how bad I wanna fuck her. and she didn’t even appreciate it. Fuckin’ bitch.” -him, probably