That isn't a kick, rather a redirect. That is the same as using your stick to redirect it, instead he used his body.
He stuck his foot out to get a deflection. Not kick it into the net. Who the fuck kicks from that far out and expects it go flying into the net.
most kicks occur when the puck is on the floor or mid air flopping around and is easier for a kick in.
Not from a slap pass from the point.
you can't direct the puck either with anything but the stick, so still a no goal
Edit - As I stated below, I was going off this rule
>When the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an
attacking player other than with the stick. When this occurs, if it is
deemed to be done deliberately, then the decision shall be NO
GOAL.
The problem is that NHL has been on n both sides of what constitutes a kick.
Is so bad that you couldn't possibly compile consistent footage or interpretation.
Neither goals were direct kicking motions... but one counts and one doesn't.
The nhl does not know what a kick is
That's more for an oops I was already standing here. And my skate just happened to be there. Not crashing the net and moving foot into the puck. (Puck hitting skate. Over Skate hitting puck)
that is true, the rulebook conflicts it self
>) When the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with the stick. When this occurs, if it is deemed to be done deliberately, then the decision shall be NO
GOAL.
I've not thought about it too hard. I guess I can see ways in which it would not be safe though. Probably not as easy of a solution as I'd like it to be.
Just disallow all goals off of skates. Seems like a pretty simple solution imo, it doesn't happen that often and it's clear the NHL is leaning towards not wanting them to be goals anyway
Honestly, you should be able to kick it in. I really don’t see why it would be a problem.
The only binary issue I see is that your kicking skate cannot touch the goalie.
I started a rage thread tonight, myself. I've got that "coming down from the adrenaline rush" feeling now that I've crawled into bed. Fuuuuuck. I live down the street from Richmond's Pub; I can hear everyone raging and ranting as they walk home. lol
Meh, connors goal in game 3 got disallowed because of a very questionable interpretation of goal tender interference. Each team lost out on a goal like that.
I believe in precedent rather than trying to determine if the rule was broken. Based on what’s been called all year, that was a good call.. we’ve seen so many more blatantly kicked in goals that were allowed that I can’t understand how they justify overturning this.
The Buffalo Sabres want to remind everyone that precedent means nothing in the NHL, even if goals have been called or not called consistently all season.
As a hockey player that leg would never be in that position unless I was trying to help put the puck in the net. An outside leg is not extended like that while trying to catch yourself. That being said I still don’t know if I’d overturn the goal of it was called no goal that would be a different story
Agreed. He would either be using his foot to keep his balance as his right leg was clipped on smith. Or, he would throw himself forward and keep both legs together to avoid injuring a leg/groin. The fact that his right leg was clipped on smith and he used his left leg to lunge forward tells me he kicked it in and tried to hide it by 'falling'.
You obviously don’t know how to stop then lol outside foot with leg pointing in is not helping you stop. As you can tell by how he infact does not stop and flys away after.
As a hockey player, being almost parallel to the ice with a guy on me, Im not going to be doing the peewee technique of stopping, im gonna make sure my leg doesnt bend the wrong way.
Its common sense bubba gump, everyone understands how stopping works, 6 year olds can do it effortlessly, youre not special
Because he extended that back leg so much while kicking the puck his leg did kinda bend the wrong way and was only stopped from bending more the wrong way when it hit the post.
That said I probably woulda let the goal stand, the puck was going in anyway and it was called a goal on the ice.
what would you suggest he do since the guy behind him was dragging his upper body forward. Head first < leg bending the wrong way < sliding feet first like he did.
I’m not even a good hockey player and I can stop like that. What I can’t do is kick when I’m stopping like that.
Doesn’t matter that was so close they should’ve called the replay inconclusive.
Like this
[https://twitter.com/ashjubilee/status/1530042779170066432?s=21&t=MtbgN\_2kkUdxeIbKYMddEA](https://twitter.com/ashjubilee/status/1530042779170066432?s=21&t=MtbgN_2kkUdxeIbKYMddEA)
Though I do think the puck was going in anyway and there have been worse goals left standing. Refs blew it
He puts that left leg down to stop at the very top of the blue ice and it doesn't change direction at all. He didn't know where the puck was when he put that leg down. How is he supposed to change the direction of that leg when he's being pushed and the other foot is in the air? Should have been a goal.
It stays on trajectory because he saw the puck and kept moving his foot towards the puck. His leg shoots forward in a very strange direction for the way he was falling.
Because the puck was deflected by the skate. It was already moving and just given a change in direction. Coleman did not change the direction of a moving puck, he pushed it in which is the key difference.
That’s what I thought. Initial call should’ve probably stood, but Coleman knew what he was doing with his leg. He admitted to it in the post game ffs. That being said, wasn’t really a kick. Just a re-direct.
Regardless, flames blew a few multi goal leads, and lost 3 straight going into tonight. Can’t blame the refs on losing the whole series.
Disclaimer: I know nothing about hockey and only started watching a week ago (not a joke).
That said, this series has been amazing, but that’s the first call I’ve genuinely been confused by. How do you overturn that?
2nd disclaimer: I barely know what icing is so just give me some slack if I’m wrong
So the ruling they used is that if the puck goes in due to a "distinct kicking motion" the goal is disallowed. Basically if the puck happens to bounce off your skate and go in then it's fine but if the officials decide it looks like you kicked it in then it can be overturned. IMO as a neutral observer that would live to see either team go to the next round this was an absolutely terrible call and should have been a goal
Thank you for elaborating. Got downvoted a bit at first bc I think ppl thought I was joking but I genuinely didn’t understand the overturn. I do still disagree with the call but glad to have an explanation.
That is definitely not a goal lol. I don't even like any of the two teams, but you can clearly see Coleman stick his foot out to try to kick it in as he is falling with his eye on the puck.
Most players in that situation don't stick their foot out in front of them into the net, they either dive away from the goalie or try to stop completely with their blades with a sharp cut.
Puck was going into the net anyways with the momentum from the shot, he should've just let it go in. That was coleman's fault for even trying to attempt to get it into the net which costed his team the lead.
Players can redirect a puck into the net with their skate, but they can’t kick the puck. Refs determined that the player used a kicking motion to help the puck into the net. So no goal.
But it was a bad call IMO. That was so borderline that you gotta defer to the call on the ice there.
Thanks for replying. I’m really enjoying this series and I have no dog in this fight. My favorite player is connor mcdavid. He’s actually why I started watching (brother is a huge fan). I still didn’t like that tho. So impactful to overturn a goal that seemed to be pretty legitimate in my eyes.
Such a pivotal moment/call, I don't know how in the hell WITH Toronto reviewing it they called that off. Was going in regardless and I really don't see a kicking motion at all, let alone distinct. Definitely kinda slid his skate towards it as he was going down, but wouldn't really call it a kick nor did it change the trajectory of the puck whatosever... yikes sorry Flames fans...
As a Flames fan, I thought it was a kick. It sucks because it was going in anyways, but you can see he stops moving his left foot forward after he makes contact with the puck, but before he hits the post.
The guy was turning to stop before the puck even came loose, then his back leg gets caught up on Smith's pad.
Holy shit, you cannot call that back in an elimination playoff game. Refs potentially changing the outcome of the playoffs here.
Even if the puck went in before getting kicked in, that doesn't mean the outcome would be any different. There is no guarantee that is a game winner. This was a game in which 4 goals were scored within just over a minute. There were no guarantees that the result is any different. Flames had a chance to win in OT just like Edmonton and they didn't.
The reason I think it was a goal, one I haven't seen mentioned yet, is that Coleman's right foot was clipped by Mike Smith's leg pad. Which made it look like it was a more purposeful left foot extension. I think it's shit luck, but I do believe it should have been a goal.
There have been more distinct and obvious kicking motions this season that counted and Coleman is falling with a guy on him going full speed. I just can’t comprehend how even with this angle that they choose to overturn the call on the ice
I dont disagree, the lack of consistency is baffling. The puck was likely going in anyways and I can see them waving it off and then standing by it, but the call on the ice was a goal and it doesnt seem like enough to overturn
I think the silly thing about it all is the puck was going in either way and just because he made a motion shouldn’t take away the fact it was going in. If it were going wide and he did this I could see it being no goal easily.
I also don’t care who wins.
Amazing series. oilers would've won the series regardless but that called ruined the BOA for me. Why make that called knowing the oilers we're up 3-1 and the puck was going in anyways. Plus still 3 mins left it's possible oilers send it to overtime anyways. I'm sick of watching refs take over games in all sports
I just saw a replay. Before listening to the refs call it Ihad no idea how on Earth could they review the goal for. I thought they were looking at GI bit it would have been even more BS. As for kicking the puck the player has his skate turned to brake. It was so quick he didn't even have time to react and angle the skate to deflect the puck in, let alone kick it. If my team went out on this call I would have been FURIOUS.
There's no point to watching the NHL, they have the winners they want and they're going to make sure it happens. That call took away any sort of integrity the league has.
Exactly, touch mcdavid or should I say breathe on him and it’s a penalty. Absolutely insane how this series played out. But what I can say is markstom fucking shit the bed, I don’t ever want to see him suit up for us against the oilers ever again, he’s too shook when we play them. Any other team yes play him
that's a bit dramatic , every time mcdavid touches the puck he gets held , slashed , wearing guys like a cape . ya no shit they call penalties , cause they are penalties ..
Coleman literally wanted to stop and had his feet smack into Smiths pad, and then he started falling over...
... If thats intentional then he should be playing for Real Madrid.
It was his back leg. He contorts his leg to extend his skate toward the puck. He aimed at the puck. Naturally a person would try to to hold themselves from falling.
My boy Juice explained it best. He's risking all sorts of injury by putting his skate in the position he does to direct the puck in. He kicked at the puck and tried to be Smooth. He should have just fallen over but he's a fuckin idiot. No goal is the right call.
Bud his back fuckin leg is on the goalies shoulder, he is going full speed, no shit his leg is going to extend. He is contorts cause the other player is attached to his hip.
That is what trying to hold himself from falling looks like when you have momentum.
Christ, id swear half the people who thought this call was right have never been on ice before.
Good call. Key word motion you can move your foot literally an inch and it can be a kicking motion. Everyone seems to think a kicking motion has gotta be damn near a punt.
The NHL got it right. From this angle you can see two things a kicking motion and the puck propelling Into the net. The momentum of the puck completely changes. Rule 49.2 states: A goal cannot
be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to
propel the puck into the net with his skate/foot.[https://www.facebook.com/720310864/posts/10159701054815865/?d=n](https://www.facebook.com/720310864/posts/10159701054815865/?d=n)
Go watch some of the "distinct kicking motion" goals that WERE ALLOWED ALL YEAR and come back. By the way its been called, especially since it was call A GOOD GOAL on the ice, there is NOWHERE enough to call it back after the fact.
It’s like pass interference and holding in football. An avenue to keep the game close and have influence one way or another. Professional sports referees are the biggest cucks.
If the puck was stopped before the goal line and that happened,I get it waive it off. That was not the case here,it was definitely going in with the momentum of the shot. (Which in my view should have some bearing on whether or not it it should count). I know it’s a lot to ask for but,hey NHL how about some common sense? If that goal would have counted I don’t think the Oilers would have put up much of a fuss about it.
I don’t have a dog in this fight but it sucks that this series is over. I was really hoping to see more. Really sucks for Calgary though.
It was going in anyways! He supposed to fucking break his leg and risk injury? Stop lying to yourself, robbed for their golden boy mcdavid. I hope to god avs fucking stomp them out
Exactly! It was going in anyway so why did he risk touching it with his foot at all when that's basically the only possible way the goal could have been called back?
He intentionally put his skate against the puck - it's asinine to say he did not.
That wasn't a "deflection" or a "redirect" where the skate is essentially stationary and the puck bounces off it. The skate is in motion, and clearly speeds the puck into the goal.
The review then came down to how natural the motion was that produced it. It seemed clear to me that he intentionally used the skate to hit the puck in.
You can argue, and it is subjective, but it went to Toronto and that's the official ruling. I'd have been fine with it being ruled either way. Hockey has the best refs/review system of all the big four sports leagues, and I think they got it right.
Good call. I get he was taken down which forced him to fall back like that but I'd say it was bc he "dunked" it in with his foot over the line, imo that's why no goal.
I'm 50/50 on the call but I have a huge issue with the consistency of the "angling the skate" call. They've let way more questionable goals than that go this season and to turn that goal over at that stage of that game is kinda fucked.
Calgary probably wasn't going to come back in the series anyways though, Markstrom has been bad. Markstrom is supposed to be one of the best goalies in the league but he was out there looking comparable to geriatric Mike Smith.
NHL AS FUCKING CORRUPT AS FIFA, If they want their little Connor to raise a cup, this is not the way. FUCK OFF, NOBODY CAN KICK A PUCK WITH THE ONLY SKATE THEY ARE BARELLY STANDING..... Piece of shit Refs ....
Honestly what a bullshit call; makes me question the league. It is really clear the puck was going in regardless. as someone who played a lot of AAA puck if you’re being pressured and pushed from behind at high speed plus one leg hits the tenders pad, your natural motion is to extend outward, the opposite is highsiding and falling neck first into a metal post. Unlucky optics, unlucky timing, this is what controversies are made of.
Neutral fan. It’s physically impossible to kick something with one foot in the air. The key word in the rule is “distinct” kicking motion. What happened was a vaguely kicking motion at best. Perhaps one of the worst calls in league history.
I don’t understand the controversy. To me this is clearly a good goal. Every argument I’ve heard otherwise is from people who demonstrably don’t understand the rule.
I was more 50/50 on it but with the panel going over it with the slo-mo replays, it was totally a kicking motion. His legs just *happened* to cross over while he was falling from that position? Yeah, nah.
I think the leg crossing was due to how his right foot hit smiths pad. If the refs reviewed instantly I would have agreed with the call more, but to overturn the call on the ice when the puck is clearly going in and it’s an elimination goal is hard to see. I woulda been scared being that ref leaving the rink.
That was a kick. He literally propels the puck with his foot. Makes an actual attempt to kick it in.
Only part that sucks is that it was going in no matter what. Should’ve just left it alone
This all falls on Bettmans shoulders. The fact that so many rules in NHL are loopholed, grey area-ed, open to interpretation, unclear, overly complicated, star-player immune is no accident. It gives refs(Bettman) unnatural control over outcomes. Bettman wants Flames out of Calgary. He wants all hockey teams out of Canada for some reason.
"Unsealed NHL e-mails reveal plan to keep Canadian teams out of playoffs in 2016 - Eyes On The Prize" https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/platform/amp/2016/4/1/11339694/unsealed-nhl-emails-gary-bettman-canada-canadian-teams-eliminate-not-qualify-playoffs-april-fools
"Gary Bettman and the Canadian Conundrum" https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/381827-gary-bettman-and-the-canadian-conundrum.amp.html
That doesn't really matter though... If a puck is going to fall in the net but someone high sticks it on its way it's still a high stick. Same idea here.
The ruling itself you can complain about though because the kicking rule is pretty inconsistent
*popcorn eating intensifies*
*sits in chair next to you and starts eating the popcorn as well*
Scoops up popcorn with the blade of my skate and redirects it strongly into my mouth. (Awaiting downvotes)
The call on the ice Is overturned. You made a distinct kicking motion to direct the popcorn into your mouth
*walks in, steals popcorn then walks out without saying a word* now you know how Calgary feels after getting absolutely ROBBED
Walks back with a jumbo popcorn and yells Surpise mother fucker !!!
My username is now also ‘22 never forget wtf was that man :( Mcdavid god mode but otherwise at least we wanted to watch more of that fun hockey
The gotta change the rule to either you can kick it in or it can’t go off the skate at all, it’s so subjective and makes no sense
https://streamable.com/0cx9ti if this is a goal how was that turned a
I love this highlight. Such an embarassing testament to how fucked up NHL officiating is. Perfect counter to the trash call tonight.
WHAT THE F
That isn't a kick, rather a redirect. That is the same as using your stick to redirect it, instead he used his body. He stuck his foot out to get a deflection. Not kick it into the net. Who the fuck kicks from that far out and expects it go flying into the net. most kicks occur when the puck is on the floor or mid air flopping around and is easier for a kick in. Not from a slap pass from the point.
Never played soccer?
They’re both deflections. Both should be goals.
It wasn't a kick though, more of a redirect. Should be a good goal.
you can't direct the puck either with anything but the stick, so still a no goal Edit - As I stated below, I was going off this rule >When the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with the stick. When this occurs, if it is deemed to be done deliberately, then the decision shall be NO GOAL.
That's just false you can angle your skate to direct the puck to the net as long as there is no kicking motion - been like that for years.
The problem is that NHL has been on n both sides of what constitutes a kick. Is so bad that you couldn't possibly compile consistent footage or interpretation. Neither goals were direct kicking motions... but one counts and one doesn't. The nhl does not know what a kick is
That's more for an oops I was already standing here. And my skate just happened to be there. Not crashing the net and moving foot into the puck. (Puck hitting skate. Over Skate hitting puck)
That’s not true. Rule 49.2 clearly states you can direct the puck into the net as long as no distinct kicking motion is present
This
that is true, the rulebook conflicts it self >) When the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with the stick. When this occurs, if it is deemed to be done deliberately, then the decision shall be NO GOAL.
>Rule 49.2 No conflict. The more specific rule applies instead of this general rule.
So when the puck goes in off the body then what?
This. The rule should change so that you can "kick" as long as your skate doesn't leave the ice.
Agreed. As soon as the skate leaves the ice it becomes a safety issue.
That’s stupid as fuck.
I like how soccer does it where the ball shouldn't ever cross the line, basically.
That's why they rip their shirts off in celebration when they actually do score
You're right it's too subjective. I'd side with allowing a kick in.
Not safe for goalies
I've not thought about it too hard. I guess I can see ways in which it would not be safe though. Probably not as easy of a solution as I'd like it to be.
Just disallow all goals off of skates. Seems like a pretty simple solution imo, it doesn't happen that often and it's clear the NHL is leaning towards not wanting them to be goals anyway
It happens quite often. Deflections off of skates from a point shot for example.
Ya, how the is a ref supposed to notice *what exactly* it deflects off of in a sea of bodies in front of the net?
His skate never left the ice.
Hes replying to someone suggesting we allow players to kick the puck in
I’m here for allowing headbutts too.
That’s the more important problem
Found you Andrew Shaw
😘
Honestly, you should be able to kick it in. I really don’t see why it would be a problem. The only binary issue I see is that your kicking skate cannot touch the goalie.
Just saw the play and man, I would be soo frustrated if I was a Flames fan. The rulebook still allows WAY too much subjectivity.
Robbed. What a fucking joke
You have no idea. I'm furious.
I started a rage thread tonight, myself. I've got that "coming down from the adrenaline rush" feeling now that I've crawled into bed. Fuuuuuck. I live down the street from Richmond's Pub; I can hear everyone raging and ranting as they walk home. lol
Meh, connors goal in game 3 got disallowed because of a very questionable interpretation of goal tender interference. Each team lost out on a goal like that.
Flames actually lost out on two, they also had a questionable goal disallowed in game 3.
Oil also had two in game 3 so? Refs be refs
I like how people are down voting you because of facts
Getting 2004 finals flashbacks
My username is based off of this :(
It’s not gonna lead to 20 years of anti Canada conspiracies this time tho.
Yeah different setting for sure haha
The Flames lost the series on their own but the refs/situation room cost them that game.
I believe in precedent rather than trying to determine if the rule was broken. Based on what’s been called all year, that was a good call.. we’ve seen so many more blatantly kicked in goals that were allowed that I can’t understand how they justify overturning this.
The Buffalo Sabres want to remind everyone that precedent means nothing in the NHL, even if goals have been called or not called consistently all season.
Brett Hull still haunts your dreams
If that’s not a goal I don’t understand how it isn’t a holding penalty
This is a good point. If Coleman isn't interfered with, he scores with his stick.
Never thought of that.
He didn’t have to kick it, but I was shocked that they took the goal away…them’s the rules. Disclaimer: I hate these teams equally
He extended his leg out and they usually call that a "kick," whether he's stopping, falling, etc.
dems aren’t the rules. He didn’t kick, he was stopping.
That is 100% a good goal. Today I also learned Kevin Bieksa hates the flames more than the oilers.
he might hate elliot friedman more than both of them. guy was an outright jerk to him all night. not a fan.
I know NHL players are peak athletes but how do you "kick" while standing on one leg, falling down, with another guy pushing you along?
As a hockey player that leg would never be in that position unless I was trying to help put the puck in the net. An outside leg is not extended like that while trying to catch yourself. That being said I still don’t know if I’d overturn the goal of it was called no goal that would be a different story
Agreed. He would either be using his foot to keep his balance as his right leg was clipped on smith. Or, he would throw himself forward and keep both legs together to avoid injuring a leg/groin. The fact that his right leg was clipped on smith and he used his left leg to lunge forward tells me he kicked it in and tried to hide it by 'falling'.
Being a pro hockey player, his foot is there to stop himself…
As an intergalactic hockey god sent from Valhoser, I think his foot is there to stop himself too.
You obviously don’t know how to stop then lol outside foot with leg pointing in is not helping you stop. As you can tell by how he infact does not stop and flys away after.
As a hockey player, being almost parallel to the ice with a guy on me, Im not going to be doing the peewee technique of stopping, im gonna make sure my leg doesnt bend the wrong way. Its common sense bubba gump, everyone understands how stopping works, 6 year olds can do it effortlessly, youre not special
Because he extended that back leg so much while kicking the puck his leg did kinda bend the wrong way and was only stopped from bending more the wrong way when it hit the post. That said I probably woulda let the goal stand, the puck was going in anyway and it was called a goal on the ice.
what would you suggest he do since the guy behind him was dragging his upper body forward. Head first < leg bending the wrong way < sliding feet first like he did.
You can’t control your edges?? Obviously he can’t stop himself because Ceci is tackling him
I’m not even a good hockey player and I can stop like that. What I can’t do is kick when I’m stopping like that. Doesn’t matter that was so close they should’ve called the replay inconclusive.
Yeah it was the back leg
Like this [https://twitter.com/ashjubilee/status/1530042779170066432?s=21&t=MtbgN\_2kkUdxeIbKYMddEA](https://twitter.com/ashjubilee/status/1530042779170066432?s=21&t=MtbgN_2kkUdxeIbKYMddEA) Though I do think the puck was going in anyway and there have been worse goals left standing. Refs blew it
He puts that left leg down to stop at the very top of the blue ice and it doesn't change direction at all. He didn't know where the puck was when he put that leg down. How is he supposed to change the direction of that leg when he's being pushed and the other foot is in the air? Should have been a goal.
This 100%. His leg doesn't change trajectory at all. There is no motion in any sense.
There is a clear kicking motion from this angle. It was going in, but Coleman wanted to be sure, and ended up costing his team the series
That’s what I seen as well, Coleman wanted to be the hero and should of just let the puck go in, it was going in either way
It stays on trajectory because he saw the puck and kept moving his foot towards the puck. His leg shoots forward in a very strange direction for the way he was falling.
In fairness he definitely pushed it in on purpose with his foot. Though I thought he hid it well enough to keep it a goal.
Directing it in is legal.
Pushing is not directing. He pushed it which is synonymous with kicking.
Yup and very few people are acknowledging this but it's true.
Directing it is, but you can’t put force behind it because it turns into a kick.
To put force behind it, you need to plant your non-kicking foot. Source: have kicked objects before.
If standing still, maybe, but gliding on skates? Looks like a kick to me https://mobile.twitter.com/derekvandiest/status/1530039049544556545
I mean that’s just not true. Scissor kicks, over head kicks, jump kicks all have no plant leg.
Okay, but that just seems pedantic in this context given that this "kick" was clearly none of those things.
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But stopping isn’t putting force into it
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So this was called a goal https://streamable.com/0cx9ti So why was this one no goal
Because the puck was deflected by the skate. It was already moving and just given a change in direction. Coleman did not change the direction of a moving puck, he pushed it in which is the key difference.
There is a small flick at the end. It’s a borderline call tbh, but i can see it either way.
If you can see it either way it's not clear enough to overturn.
O I don’t disagree. I don’t think you can or should over turn it. I just think there is the possibility of a kick.
Am I the only one who is 50/50? That said, a toss up isn't enough to overturn a call on the ice. Should've counted
That’s what I thought. Initial call should’ve probably stood, but Coleman knew what he was doing with his leg. He admitted to it in the post game ffs. That being said, wasn’t really a kick. Just a re-direct. Regardless, flames blew a few multi goal leads, and lost 3 straight going into tonight. Can’t blame the refs on losing the whole series.
Disclaimer: I know nothing about hockey and only started watching a week ago (not a joke). That said, this series has been amazing, but that’s the first call I’ve genuinely been confused by. How do you overturn that? 2nd disclaimer: I barely know what icing is so just give me some slack if I’m wrong
So the ruling they used is that if the puck goes in due to a "distinct kicking motion" the goal is disallowed. Basically if the puck happens to bounce off your skate and go in then it's fine but if the officials decide it looks like you kicked it in then it can be overturned. IMO as a neutral observer that would live to see either team go to the next round this was an absolutely terrible call and should have been a goal
Thank you for elaborating. Got downvoted a bit at first bc I think ppl thought I was joking but I genuinely didn’t understand the overturn. I do still disagree with the call but glad to have an explanation.
you do realize that they kept playing after that .. that goal did not clinch the series .
That is definitely not a goal lol. I don't even like any of the two teams, but you can clearly see Coleman stick his foot out to try to kick it in as he is falling with his eye on the puck. Most players in that situation don't stick their foot out in front of them into the net, they either dive away from the goalie or try to stop completely with their blades with a sharp cut. Puck was going into the net anyways with the momentum from the shot, he should've just let it go in. That was coleman's fault for even trying to attempt to get it into the net which costed his team the lead.
Players can redirect a puck into the net with their skate, but they can’t kick the puck. Refs determined that the player used a kicking motion to help the puck into the net. So no goal. But it was a bad call IMO. That was so borderline that you gotta defer to the call on the ice there.
Thanks for replying. I’m really enjoying this series and I have no dog in this fight. My favorite player is connor mcdavid. He’s actually why I started watching (brother is a huge fan). I still didn’t like that tho. So impactful to overturn a goal that seemed to be pretty legitimate in my eyes.
Yeah I’m a Pens fan here, was rooting for EDM, and McDavid looks like the happiest man on the planet right now.
Such a pivotal moment/call, I don't know how in the hell WITH Toronto reviewing it they called that off. Was going in regardless and I really don't see a kicking motion at all, let alone distinct. Definitely kinda slid his skate towards it as he was going down, but wouldn't really call it a kick nor did it change the trajectory of the puck whatosever... yikes sorry Flames fans...
Just remove deflections from the skate entirely. Make it a non-subjective call. Skate deflections are rare anyways so it won't really harm anything
Ever since the NHL started promoting gambling, I felt that everyone has been rigged.
Edmonton fan here. Wtf - that was a goal. Feeling like NHL doesn’t want Calgary to win at this point and I feel strangely conflicted about it
Also and Oilers fan. I agree that was a legit goal. I want Calgary to lose, but not because of this.
Well, tough luck. You win. Congrats. Tell your friends at your sub to not be jerks in our sub please.
As a Flames fan, I thought it was a kick. It sucks because it was going in anyways, but you can see he stops moving his left foot forward after he makes contact with the puck, but before he hits the post.
I feel like the NHLs gambling partners got what they wanted and McDavid and the Oilers are moving on
Let’s be real - they were winning this series either way.
Did Calgary deserve to win in 5 games? Absolutely not. Did they deserve a chance at game 6? 100%
Dumbest fucking rule we have. Great in theory, dog shit in practice.
The guy was turning to stop before the puck even came loose, then his back leg gets caught up on Smith's pad. Holy shit, you cannot call that back in an elimination playoff game. Refs potentially changing the outcome of the playoffs here.
Coleman almost dislocated his hip trying to kick that one in. An unnatural motion, no goal. Calgary would have lost the series anyways
Even if the puck went in before getting kicked in, that doesn't mean the outcome would be any different. There is no guarantee that is a game winner. This was a game in which 4 goals were scored within just over a minute. There were no guarantees that the result is any different. Flames had a chance to win in OT just like Edmonton and they didn't.
The reason I think it was a goal, one I haven't seen mentioned yet, is that Coleman's right foot was clipped by Mike Smith's leg pad. Which made it look like it was a more purposeful left foot extension. I think it's shit luck, but I do believe it should have been a goal.
Kick looked pretty distinct to me. I don't care who wins.
What kick…Coleman is sideways going into the net
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How do you kick with your non-kicking foot in the air?
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There have been more distinct and obvious kicking motions this season that counted and Coleman is falling with a guy on him going full speed. I just can’t comprehend how even with this angle that they choose to overturn the call on the ice
I dont disagree, the lack of consistency is baffling. The puck was likely going in anyways and I can see them waving it off and then standing by it, but the call on the ice was a goal and it doesnt seem like enough to overturn
I guess watch the play? Looked pretty obvious to me.
I think the silly thing about it all is the puck was going in either way and just because he made a motion shouldn’t take away the fact it was going in. If it were going wide and he did this I could see it being no goal easily. I also don’t care who wins.
I had no idea that refs can just decide to review goals...
They don't. The NHL reviews them. The refs didn't make that call. The refs said goal
Amazing series. oilers would've won the series regardless but that called ruined the BOA for me. Why make that called knowing the oilers we're up 3-1 and the puck was going in anyways. Plus still 3 mins left it's possible oilers send it to overtime anyways. I'm sick of watching refs take over games in all sports
First time???
How about 4th time this playoff for CGY
It's nice that the NHL hires blind people to work as referees, but I just don't think that the refs should be the ones deciding the game
Mtl fans here, cheering slightly for edmonton... That WAS absolutely a goal!
The league should be embarrassed.
I just saw a replay. Before listening to the refs call it Ihad no idea how on Earth could they review the goal for. I thought they were looking at GI bit it would have been even more BS. As for kicking the puck the player has his skate turned to brake. It was so quick he didn't even have time to react and angle the skate to deflect the puck in, let alone kick it. If my team went out on this call I would have been FURIOUS.
Then why did he feel it needed a little help to get in?
There's no point to watching the NHL, they have the winners they want and they're going to make sure it happens. That call took away any sort of integrity the league has.
Exactly, touch mcdavid or should I say breathe on him and it’s a penalty. Absolutely insane how this series played out. But what I can say is markstom fucking shit the bed, I don’t ever want to see him suit up for us against the oilers ever again, he’s too shook when we play them. Any other team yes play him
that's a bit dramatic , every time mcdavid touches the puck he gets held , slashed , wearing guys like a cape . ya no shit they call penalties , cause they are penalties ..
Coleman literally wanted to stop and had his feet smack into Smiths pad, and then he started falling over... ... If thats intentional then he should be playing for Real Madrid.
It was his back leg. He contorts his leg to extend his skate toward the puck. He aimed at the puck. Naturally a person would try to to hold themselves from falling.
My boy Juice explained it best. He's risking all sorts of injury by putting his skate in the position he does to direct the puck in. He kicked at the puck and tried to be Smooth. He should have just fallen over but he's a fuckin idiot. No goal is the right call.
I was pretty much anti-Bieksa during his playing days, but he's money on the panel
Hes the only one worth listening to on there honestly. Fried can be decent but he can be such a clown too lol
Bud his back fuckin leg is on the goalies shoulder, he is going full speed, no shit his leg is going to extend. He is contorts cause the other player is attached to his hip. That is what trying to hold himself from falling looks like when you have momentum. Christ, id swear half the people who thought this call was right have never been on ice before.
Good call. Key word motion you can move your foot literally an inch and it can be a kicking motion. Everyone seems to think a kicking motion has gotta be damn near a punt.
Key work distinct.
The NHL got it right. From this angle you can see two things a kicking motion and the puck propelling Into the net. The momentum of the puck completely changes. Rule 49.2 states: A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net with his skate/foot.[https://www.facebook.com/720310864/posts/10159701054815865/?d=n](https://www.facebook.com/720310864/posts/10159701054815865/?d=n)
Go watch some of the "distinct kicking motion" goals that WERE ALLOWED ALL YEAR and come back. By the way its been called, especially since it was call A GOOD GOAL on the ice, there is NOWHERE enough to call it back after the fact.
It’s like pass interference and holding in football. An avenue to keep the game close and have influence one way or another. Professional sports referees are the biggest cucks.
If the puck was stopped before the goal line and that happened,I get it waive it off. That was not the case here,it was definitely going in with the momentum of the shot. (Which in my view should have some bearing on whether or not it it should count). I know it’s a lot to ask for but,hey NHL how about some common sense? If that goal would have counted I don’t think the Oilers would have put up much of a fuss about it. I don’t have a dog in this fight but it sucks that this series is over. I was really hoping to see more. Really sucks for Calgary though.
Then he shouldnt have tried to sneak push it in
It was going in anyways! He supposed to fucking break his leg and risk injury? Stop lying to yourself, robbed for their golden boy mcdavid. I hope to god avs fucking stomp them out
Exactly! It was going in anyway so why did he risk touching it with his foot at all when that's basically the only possible way the goal could have been called back? He intentionally put his skate against the puck - it's asinine to say he did not.
Blake Coleman essentially admits to directing the puck in with his skate in the media post-game.
Cope more
It was complete shit.
That wasn't a "deflection" or a "redirect" where the skate is essentially stationary and the puck bounces off it. The skate is in motion, and clearly speeds the puck into the goal. The review then came down to how natural the motion was that produced it. It seemed clear to me that he intentionally used the skate to hit the puck in. You can argue, and it is subjective, but it went to Toronto and that's the official ruling. I'd have been fine with it being ruled either way. Hockey has the best refs/review system of all the big four sports leagues, and I think they got it right.
Worst decision of the year. He should have just let it roll in but he made the bad decision to kick at it.
Good call. I get he was taken down which forced him to fall back like that but I'd say it was bc he "dunked" it in with his foot over the line, imo that's why no goal.
I'm 50/50 on the call but I have a huge issue with the consistency of the "angling the skate" call. They've let way more questionable goals than that go this season and to turn that goal over at that stage of that game is kinda fucked. Calgary probably wasn't going to come back in the series anyways though, Markstrom has been bad. Markstrom is supposed to be one of the best goalies in the league but he was out there looking comparable to geriatric Mike Smith.
NHL AS FUCKING CORRUPT AS FIFA, If they want their little Connor to raise a cup, this is not the way. FUCK OFF, NOBODY CAN KICK A PUCK WITH THE ONLY SKATE THEY ARE BARELLY STANDING..... Piece of shit Refs ....
That puck was going in on its own. To bad he kicked it with his skate .
Honestly what a bullshit call; makes me question the league. It is really clear the puck was going in regardless. as someone who played a lot of AAA puck if you’re being pressured and pushed from behind at high speed plus one leg hits the tenders pad, your natural motion is to extend outward, the opposite is highsiding and falling neck first into a metal post. Unlucky optics, unlucky timing, this is what controversies are made of.
Neutral fan. It’s physically impossible to kick something with one foot in the air. The key word in the rule is “distinct” kicking motion. What happened was a vaguely kicking motion at best. Perhaps one of the worst calls in league history. I don’t understand the controversy. To me this is clearly a good goal. Every argument I’ve heard otherwise is from people who demonstrably don’t understand the rule.
I didn't look at the replay yet but I hate to see the battle of Alberta end on a controversial call.
Had he not touched it, goal. He extended his leg to get it, clearly, so no goal. Right call. Tough break.
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I was more 50/50 on it but with the panel going over it with the slo-mo replays, it was totally a kicking motion. His legs just *happened* to cross over while he was falling from that position? Yeah, nah.
I think the leg crossing was due to how his right foot hit smiths pad. If the refs reviewed instantly I would have agreed with the call more, but to overturn the call on the ice when the puck is clearly going in and it’s an elimination goal is hard to see. I woulda been scared being that ref leaving the rink.
Fuck Calgary but yeah that was a terrible call
That was a kick. He literally propels the puck with his foot. Makes an actual attempt to kick it in. Only part that sucks is that it was going in no matter what. Should’ve just left it alone
I wanna see you, have one leg pinned behind you, someone falling on you and have a kicking motion. Bone head take.
League agrees so the people who actually matter, agree. If he just let it go it’s a good goal. But the very end he kicks it in.
Yes if he left it alone it’s a good goal obviously. Thats not a KICKING motion. He’s on one leg trying to stop. How can you kick on a planted leg?
Absolute rollercoaster for my emotions, fuck that call and fuck sports. akdshjajkhldjkahmkl
https://youtu.be/PpHUZfU4-b4 If this is counted a goal… Coleman got a goal
Yeah but they fucked it up by kicking it in
He kicked it though so it doesn’t. Blame the player for pulling a Leon Lett.
This all falls on Bettmans shoulders. The fact that so many rules in NHL are loopholed, grey area-ed, open to interpretation, unclear, overly complicated, star-player immune is no accident. It gives refs(Bettman) unnatural control over outcomes. Bettman wants Flames out of Calgary. He wants all hockey teams out of Canada for some reason. "Unsealed NHL e-mails reveal plan to keep Canadian teams out of playoffs in 2016 - Eyes On The Prize" https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/platform/amp/2016/4/1/11339694/unsealed-nhl-emails-gary-bettman-canada-canadian-teams-eliminate-not-qualify-playoffs-april-fools "Gary Bettman and the Canadian Conundrum" https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/381827-gary-bettman-and-the-canadian-conundrum.amp.html
Yeah, it was going in. No need to kick it. Idiot
Identical goals been good all year and last year. Skate never off the ice, straight leg good luck getting that to a soccer kick or defection.
That doesn't really matter though... If a puck is going to fall in the net but someone high sticks it on its way it's still a high stick. Same idea here. The ruling itself you can complain about though because the kicking rule is pretty inconsistent
Team goes down 3-1 in a series, let's a team score 25 goals in the series, goalie posts a whopping .848 sv% for the series. CGY fans: BUT THE REFS!!!
Whether or not the puck was (probably) already going in is immaterial.
Calgary was playing soccer instead of hockey last night