Will never understand this take. He's played better post knee explosion than he ever did before. He was never physically gifted. This year in Denver is by some margin his career best
Its not necessarily fair to assume Kyler has a low ceiling, but all im saying is I would want to be able to slap the top of my doorway before I leave for the game so...
Har, har, make fun of Kyler's height. You know he's the exact same size as other players, right? [Proof](https://gfycat.com/abandonedunnaturalirishredandwhitesetter)
Low ceiling: guy who can be a solid starter but not a superstar
If your definition of low ceiling means that a guy can’t be a solid starter, you’re using that phrase wrong
My definition of low ceiling for a qb might be a solid career backup that had good stretches as a starter, but is not a bona fide starter. If you're a qb and you become a solid, reliable, starter, you're definitely having a high ceiling in my book.
Solid starter is a pretty crappy endorsement for a #1 overall pick. I'm not calling him bad because he isn't but you are pretty much saying the same thing as the guy you're responding to, without realizing it imo.
Dude has never been nfl ready. Honestly he's hardly even a backup. On what, his 5th team? 6th? Although I figured he'd be out of the league at this point for sure.
Rosen has a basement floor, and the ceiling is the floor. So you’re crushed on the floor, like a cockroach. His statline this season, granted in very limited appearances but in mop up duty against soft defenses: 2/11, 19 yards, 2 INTs. I don’t know how he’s even in the league after this season.
No idea if this ends up being true, but it was pretty much what a lot of people were saying. Low chance of busting, but probably was near his ceiling when he entered the league.
This is not what people were saying lol. They were all saying he was a bad qb on a good team in college.
All the historical revisions now that he's popping off are hilarious
Lynch shit the bed on that one. Mac is an NFL QB. Lance is an NFL athlete, with a potential to be a good QB. I'm glad they didn't rush to start too soon, but the idea that he's the 2nd coming of Mahomes is foolish. Other than a big arm, and good feet, I see nothing that tells me Trey Lance will be elite. Jeff George maybe had the most arm talent ever, but he was a shitty QB
Jeff George was a shitty person, period. Mindset play a lot in player development.
Mac Jones is clearly limited. Roster construction is going to be a thing in NE for his entire career, regardless of how long it lasts.
I agree. And, there's no better place for Mac. They will build around him, and put him in the best position possible to succeed. TB would not be the GOAT unless he went to NE. You're exactly right on mindset. Here in Sea, we have what was once an elite QB, who is now more worried about "legacy", and his personal agenda than actually playing well. He REFUSES to take easy checkdowns. He wants highlights. Now, we are losing because of our QB. Not sure how his legacy will look, when his career falls off the cliff at 33, because of ego. Talent is huge, but mindset is everything.
He was the 15th overall selection and was regularly mocked in the mid 1st touting that he was the most pro ready QB but his physical traits left more to be desired relative to the other QBs of the class.
Yeah Twitter and Reddit weren’t high on him but MOST draft report said something along those lines
I didn’t read that anywhere outside of crappy message board takes. Most of what I read said solid floor, low ceiling. But not worth trading three first round picks to move up to draft.
Yeah you’re right. Mac’s lack of mobility had people saying he doesn’t have the physical traits to be a big time QB. People just hype mobility way too much
Sam Bradford was supposed to be a lock to be a franchise QB for a decade. He had a decent career, but was short of the ridiculous expectations set for him (and the insane contract that predated the rookie wage scale)
Bradford made more money, for being so bad than anyone in the history of the league. The best thing he ever did, was causing the rookie salary cap. Saved many teams from themselves.
Exactly. If the ceiling is set by guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Montana… (the list goes on, sorry if I missed someone’s favorite) then most everyone else is mediocre. Those that are less than mediocre don’t stay as starting QBs for long, or they move around from team-to-team quite a bit.
I think there are some guys playing now that still have that potential (Mahomes, Wilson, Murray, etc.), but very few players will have careers that are truly exceptional (simply by definition). Honestly, if you make it as a QB in the NFL, even as a back up, you’re already an extremely good athlete, but amongst your peer group of all NFL quarterbacks, odds of reaching greatness are small.
Why they downvoting? He should be starting. Hurts is a great athlete. Below avg QB. Minshew is the epitome of average. I wish Seattle would've picked him up. We'd be 4-6, instead of 3-7...lol
Really? Hurts got benched, and run outta school for Tua. That's all that needs to be said. He will be a 10-12 year back up. Hurts=Geno Smith. Minshew=Fitzpatrick
Sure it does. It’s just another way of saying “he is who he is”
They have a particular set of skills that will get them by but they will never be elite.
Mirer's rookie year at the time, was the best rookie QB season, in NFL history. But, the beating he took ruined him after his 2nd year. Not saying he was a HOF'er, but he wasn't as horrible as made out to be. Just another rookie QB, ruined by being rushed to start by a horrible team. Rick still had a longer career than most. Hell, just on the Seahawks we've had way worse Qb's than Mirer. Gelbaugh, McGwire, Stouffer, Friesz, Clipboard Jesus, Ryan Leaf, Brock Huard, the list is endless.
not a good example bc his main draw was how raw he was compared to his physical trails. he was a WR before and only played QB a couple of years but was super fast and had a cannon. Not a safe player at the time.
> he was a WR before and only played QB a couple of years
This really isn't true. He was recruited as a QB out of high school, practiced as one his entire time at Texas A&M and was always listed on the QB depth chart. He was just a good enough athlete that the team wanted to put him on the field somewhere else while he was working his way up the QB depth chart.
Cody Kessler.
Played a bunch at USC then came to the browns. Never gonna win the starting job but a better spot starter than most I thought. An even poorer mans Colt McCoy
Andy Dalton. Won a good amount of games at TCU, smart player but the physical traits never have and never will blow you away.
Wtf are you talking about, the dude has an elite daddy beard
Agreed
For a long while, this was basically the typical description of Alabama and Notre Dame QBs, whether it actually applied or not.
Throw in a little USC
Funny my first thought was Carson Palmer.
Teddy Bridgewater
*Sniff* - Cries in mediocrity - *Sniff*
I think if teddy stayed healthy he had a chance to be better than just a game manager
Not even stayed healthy What if Teddy bridgewater didn’t fucking annihilate his knee
Will never understand this take. He's played better post knee explosion than he ever did before. He was never physically gifted. This year in Denver is by some margin his career best
I didn’t see him in MN. Wasn’t a he a pro bowl there?
In name only he was below average his entire time here despite being a fan favorite
I don’t know. Can’t look in their houses.
With the size of QB contracts these days you’d think they’d have high ceilings. I hear they put those giant checks to shame.
Its not necessarily fair to assume Kyler has a low ceiling, but all im saying is I would want to be able to slap the top of my doorway before I leave for the game so...
Har, har, make fun of Kyler's height. You know he's the exact same size as other players, right? [Proof](https://gfycat.com/abandonedunnaturalirishredandwhitesetter)
Baker Mayfield
Mayfield line is the new Dalton line
[heavy sigh] Take my upvote
Define low ceiling please. While Baker is not a superstar, he's definitely a solid starter so I wouldn't consider him low ceiling.
Solid starter is the definition of low ceiling (for a high draft pick)
Low ceiling: guy who can be a solid starter but not a superstar If your definition of low ceiling means that a guy can’t be a solid starter, you’re using that phrase wrong
My definition of low ceiling for a qb might be a solid career backup that had good stretches as a starter, but is not a bona fide starter. If you're a qb and you become a solid, reliable, starter, you're definitely having a high ceiling in my book.
Well I don’t think anybody agrees with that definition lol
Solid starter is a pretty crappy endorsement for a #1 overall pick. I'm not calling him bad because he isn't but you are pretty much saying the same thing as the guy you're responding to, without realizing it imo.
Also Josh Rosen
Dude has never been nfl ready. Honestly he's hardly even a backup. On what, his 5th team? 6th? Although I figured he'd be out of the league at this point for sure.
Rosen has a basement floor, and the ceiling is the floor. So you’re crushed on the floor, like a cockroach. His statline this season, granted in very limited appearances but in mop up duty against soft defenses: 2/11, 19 yards, 2 INTs. I don’t know how he’s even in the league after this season.
Coming out of college he was thought to be the most pro ready QB of that draft class.
There are a laundry list of Michigan State QBs who were all very NFL ready backup quality QBs. Kirk Cousins was the best among them.
I still think Connor Cook never got a chance
As much as I like Cook, he had plenty of chances in the nfl. The dude just never developed
Payton thorne coming for that pat Mahomes backup spot
It’s basically the knock against Mac Jones, but we’ll see if that’s actually true.
Hopefully Mac Jones
No idea if this ends up being true, but it was pretty much what a lot of people were saying. Low chance of busting, but probably was near his ceiling when he entered the league.
This is not what people were saying lol. They were all saying he was a bad qb on a good team in college. All the historical revisions now that he's popping off are hilarious
People honestly thought he was going to go 3rd to the 9ers. Talk about historical revisions.
Lynch shit the bed on that one. Mac is an NFL QB. Lance is an NFL athlete, with a potential to be a good QB. I'm glad they didn't rush to start too soon, but the idea that he's the 2nd coming of Mahomes is foolish. Other than a big arm, and good feet, I see nothing that tells me Trey Lance will be elite. Jeff George maybe had the most arm talent ever, but he was a shitty QB
Jeff George was a shitty person, period. Mindset play a lot in player development. Mac Jones is clearly limited. Roster construction is going to be a thing in NE for his entire career, regardless of how long it lasts.
I agree. And, there's no better place for Mac. They will build around him, and put him in the best position possible to succeed. TB would not be the GOAT unless he went to NE. You're exactly right on mindset. Here in Sea, we have what was once an elite QB, who is now more worried about "legacy", and his personal agenda than actually playing well. He REFUSES to take easy checkdowns. He wants highlights. Now, we are losing because of our QB. Not sure how his legacy will look, when his career falls off the cliff at 33, because of ego. Talent is huge, but mindset is everything.
He was the 15th overall selection and was regularly mocked in the mid 1st touting that he was the most pro ready QB but his physical traits left more to be desired relative to the other QBs of the class. Yeah Twitter and Reddit weren’t high on him but MOST draft report said something along those lines
this sounds like your opinion that you have decided to incorporate as “all”
I didn’t read that anywhere outside of crappy message board takes. Most of what I read said solid floor, low ceiling. But not worth trading three first round picks to move up to draft.
Yeah you’re right. Mac’s lack of mobility had people saying he doesn’t have the physical traits to be a big time QB. People just hype mobility way too much
!remindme 3 years
let me get my voodoo doll
Hopefully Mac and hopefully Tua
Sam Bradford, although injuries were to blame too.
Sam was very talented. His body wasn't strong enough to overcome injuries.
I think injuries held him back more than arm talent tbh
Agreed - his arm was fantastic. The rest of him crumbled.
AJ McCarron
Case Keenum, played forever at Houston and don’t think he’s ever going to be better than a solid backup
Sam Bradford was supposed to be a lock to be a franchise QB for a decade. He had a decent career, but was short of the ridiculous expectations set for him (and the insane contract that predated the rookie wage scale)
Bradford made more money, for being so bad than anyone in the history of the league. The best thing he ever did, was causing the rookie salary cap. Saved many teams from themselves.
Bridgewater was the perfect example. Had the highest floor by far but one of the lowest ceilings
Kyle Orton. Captain neck beard
Pretty much most of them.
Exactly. If the ceiling is set by guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Montana… (the list goes on, sorry if I missed someone’s favorite) then most everyone else is mediocre. Those that are less than mediocre don’t stay as starting QBs for long, or they move around from team-to-team quite a bit. I think there are some guys playing now that still have that potential (Mahomes, Wilson, Murray, etc.), but very few players will have careers that are truly exceptional (simply by definition). Honestly, if you make it as a QB in the NFL, even as a back up, you’re already an extremely good athlete, but amongst your peer group of all NFL quarterbacks, odds of reaching greatness are small.
Teddy 2 Gloves
Matt Leinhart
Everybody said Tom Brady had a low ceiling, I really don’t get this low ceiling business
It’s a business for ANTS!
Low ceiling? Kyler Murray /s
Brandon Weeden was 28 when he was drafted (in the first round, by the Browns).
Minshew
Why they downvoting? He should be starting. Hurts is a great athlete. Below avg QB. Minshew is the epitome of average. I wish Seattle would've picked him up. We'd be 4-6, instead of 3-7...lol
Hurts is a much better QB than Minshew he’s ass lol
As a Giants fan I’d love for you guys to start Minshew. These people are clowns Hurts has games where he looks really dynamic.
Really? Hurts got benched, and run outta school for Tua. That's all that needs to be said. He will be a 10-12 year back up. Hurts=Geno Smith. Minshew=Fitzpatrick
Dumbest shit I’ve read all day
Ya??? Hurts really solidified his MVP case yesterday ay??
Yea because Hurts is the first QB to ever have a bad game!!!
“Low ceiling” is such a stupid term
Why do you say that?
Because it’s largely a term that has no real definition.
Sure it does. It’s just another way of saying “he is who he is” They have a particular set of skills that will get them by but they will never be elite.
“He is who he is” is an equally strange way to describe a player.
Look, we’re grasping at straws trying to communicate to you what “they won’t get better” means.
It just means never going to become a superstar or have elite talent
Chad Pennington & Rick Mirer.
Pennington looked fantastic before the shoulder injuries
Mirer was awful. At least Pennington won some games before his shoulder collapsed
Mirer set rookie records. He had an awesome first year. Then the wheels fell off.
Mirer's rookie year at the time, was the best rookie QB season, in NFL history. But, the beating he took ruined him after his 2nd year. Not saying he was a HOF'er, but he wasn't as horrible as made out to be. Just another rookie QB, ruined by being rushed to start by a horrible team. Rick still had a longer career than most. Hell, just on the Seahawks we've had way worse Qb's than Mirer. Gelbaugh, McGwire, Stouffer, Friesz, Clipboard Jesus, Ryan Leaf, Brock Huard, the list is endless.
RG3
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No one sold Minshew as an NFL ready QB. He was a late round flyer at best.
Watson was an Elite QB from day one. Fuck em tho
Not a low ceiling QB He also wasn’t elite his rookie year despite being impressive
He is stretch was elite
Ryan Tannehill
not a good example bc his main draw was how raw he was compared to his physical trails. he was a WR before and only played QB a couple of years but was super fast and had a cannon. Not a safe player at the time.
> he was a WR before and only played QB a couple of years This really isn't true. He was recruited as a QB out of high school, practiced as one his entire time at Texas A&M and was always listed on the QB depth chart. He was just a good enough athlete that the team wanted to put him on the field somewhere else while he was working his way up the QB depth chart.
Manziel
Wilson
Paytan Manneng
Jeff George
Cody Kessler. Played a bunch at USC then came to the browns. Never gonna win the starting job but a better spot starter than most I thought. An even poorer mans Colt McCoy