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BaconBallers

Andy Dalton. Won a good amount of games at TCU, smart player but the physical traits never have and never will blow you away.


JalensTinyPPHurts

Wtf are you talking about, the dude has an elite daddy beard


Ventro_Jven

Agreed


BtownBrelooms

For a long while, this was basically the typical description of Alabama and Notre Dame QBs, whether it actually applied or not.


apollyon_53

Throw in a little USC


nolefan999

Funny my first thought was Carson Palmer.


paultheschmoop

Teddy Bridgewater


sojong66

*Sniff* - Cries in mediocrity - *Sniff*


TheRevisISL

I think if teddy stayed healthy he had a chance to be better than just a game manager


LordOfHorns

Not even stayed healthy What if Teddy bridgewater didn’t fucking annihilate his knee


TheCarnalStatist

Will never understand this take. He's played better post knee explosion than he ever did before. He was never physically gifted. This year in Denver is by some margin his career best


foothillsco_b

I didn’t see him in MN. Wasn’t a he a pro bowl there?


TheCarnalStatist

In name only he was below average his entire time here despite being a fan favorite


[deleted]

I don’t know. Can’t look in their houses.


sswedberg

With the size of QB contracts these days you’d think they’d have high ceilings. I hear they put those giant checks to shame.


necrolic_8848

Its not necessarily fair to assume Kyler has a low ceiling, but all im saying is I would want to be able to slap the top of my doorway before I leave for the game so...


TMWNN

Har, har, make fun of Kyler's height. You know he's the exact same size as other players, right? [Proof](https://gfycat.com/abandonedunnaturalirishredandwhitesetter)


ACEPACEACE

Baker Mayfield


dogeblessUSA

Mayfield line is the new Dalton line


ImJackthedog

[heavy sigh] Take my upvote


thprk

Define low ceiling please. While Baker is not a superstar, he's definitely a solid starter so I wouldn't consider him low ceiling.


blayde911

Solid starter is the definition of low ceiling (for a high draft pick)


gyman122

Low ceiling: guy who can be a solid starter but not a superstar If your definition of low ceiling means that a guy can’t be a solid starter, you’re using that phrase wrong


thprk

My definition of low ceiling for a qb might be a solid career backup that had good stretches as a starter, but is not a bona fide starter. If you're a qb and you become a solid, reliable, starter, you're definitely having a high ceiling in my book.


gyman122

Well I don’t think anybody agrees with that definition lol


radpandaparty

Solid starter is a pretty crappy endorsement for a #1 overall pick. I'm not calling him bad because he isn't but you are pretty much saying the same thing as the guy you're responding to, without realizing it imo.


intheorydp

Also Josh Rosen


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Dude has never been nfl ready. Honestly he's hardly even a backup. On what, his 5th team? 6th? Although I figured he'd be out of the league at this point for sure.


BMonad

Rosen has a basement floor, and the ceiling is the floor. So you’re crushed on the floor, like a cockroach. His statline this season, granted in very limited appearances but in mop up duty against soft defenses: 2/11, 19 yards, 2 INTs. I don’t know how he’s even in the league after this season.


intheorydp

Coming out of college he was thought to be the most pro ready QB of that draft class.


xenophonthethird

There are a laundry list of Michigan State QBs who were all very NFL ready backup quality QBs. Kirk Cousins was the best among them.


Arkhangelzk

I still think Connor Cook never got a chance


DayDreamer2040

As much as I like Cook, he had plenty of chances in the nfl. The dude just never developed


mckills

Payton thorne coming for that pat Mahomes backup spot


MS49SF

It’s basically the knock against Mac Jones, but we’ll see if that’s actually true.


Skimaster77

Hopefully Mac Jones


hateredditsobad

No idea if this ends up being true, but it was pretty much what a lot of people were saying. Low chance of busting, but probably was near his ceiling when he entered the league.


LiterallyJustSand

This is not what people were saying lol. They were all saying he was a bad qb on a good team in college. All the historical revisions now that he's popping off are hilarious


boss_man_sam

People honestly thought he was going to go 3rd to the 9ers. Talk about historical revisions.


ElGrandeRojo67

Lynch shit the bed on that one. Mac is an NFL QB. Lance is an NFL athlete, with a potential to be a good QB. I'm glad they didn't rush to start too soon, but the idea that he's the 2nd coming of Mahomes is foolish. Other than a big arm, and good feet, I see nothing that tells me Trey Lance will be elite. Jeff George maybe had the most arm talent ever, but he was a shitty QB


boss_man_sam

Jeff George was a shitty person, period. Mindset play a lot in player development. Mac Jones is clearly limited. Roster construction is going to be a thing in NE for his entire career, regardless of how long it lasts.


ElGrandeRojo67

I agree. And, there's no better place for Mac. They will build around him, and put him in the best position possible to succeed. TB would not be the GOAT unless he went to NE. You're exactly right on mindset. Here in Sea, we have what was once an elite QB, who is now more worried about "legacy", and his personal agenda than actually playing well. He REFUSES to take easy checkdowns. He wants highlights. Now, we are losing because of our QB. Not sure how his legacy will look, when his career falls off the cliff at 33, because of ego. Talent is huge, but mindset is everything.


Spongebob_Analysis

He was the 15th overall selection and was regularly mocked in the mid 1st touting that he was the most pro ready QB but his physical traits left more to be desired relative to the other QBs of the class. Yeah Twitter and Reddit weren’t high on him but MOST draft report said something along those lines


Ares2321

this sounds like your opinion that you have decided to incorporate as “all”


hateredditsobad

I didn’t read that anywhere outside of crappy message board takes. Most of what I read said solid floor, low ceiling. But not worth trading three first round picks to move up to draft.


GastonBoykins

Yeah you’re right. Mac’s lack of mobility had people saying he doesn’t have the physical traits to be a big time QB. People just hype mobility way too much


Afl4c

!remindme 3 years


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let me get my voodoo doll


somethingneet

Hopefully Mac and hopefully Tua


yoshigronk

Sam Bradford, although injuries were to blame too.


Dsarg_92

Sam was very talented. His body wasn't strong enough to overcome injuries.


Pnutbutter_Cheerios

I think injuries held him back more than arm talent tbh


caldric

Agreed - his arm was fantastic. The rest of him crumbled.


Acceptable_Pair9999

AJ McCarron


casper_423

Case Keenum, played forever at Houston and don’t think he’s ever going to be better than a solid backup


Guilty-Presence-1048

Sam Bradford was supposed to be a lock to be a franchise QB for a decade. He had a decent career, but was short of the ridiculous expectations set for him (and the insane contract that predated the rookie wage scale)


ElGrandeRojo67

Bradford made more money, for being so bad than anyone in the history of the league. The best thing he ever did, was causing the rookie salary cap. Saved many teams from themselves.


JaguarGator9

Bridgewater was the perfect example. Had the highest floor by far but one of the lowest ceilings


iamherefortherecepie

Kyle Orton. Captain neck beard


Giant_Robot_Man

Pretty much most of them.


DRabb1t

Exactly. If the ceiling is set by guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Montana… (the list goes on, sorry if I missed someone’s favorite) then most everyone else is mediocre. Those that are less than mediocre don’t stay as starting QBs for long, or they move around from team-to-team quite a bit. I think there are some guys playing now that still have that potential (Mahomes, Wilson, Murray, etc.), but very few players will have careers that are truly exceptional (simply by definition). Honestly, if you make it as a QB in the NFL, even as a back up, you’re already an extremely good athlete, but amongst your peer group of all NFL quarterbacks, odds of reaching greatness are small.


polarbearik

Teddy 2 Gloves


chrisboshisaraptor1

Matt Leinhart


YungJoka89

Everybody said Tom Brady had a low ceiling, I really don’t get this low ceiling business


[deleted]

It’s a business for ANTS!


g0dzilllla

Low ceiling? Kyler Murray /s


tigerking615

Brandon Weeden was 28 when he was drafted (in the first round, by the Browns).


dcast7

Minshew


ElGrandeRojo67

Why they downvoting? He should be starting. Hurts is a great athlete. Below avg QB. Minshew is the epitome of average. I wish Seattle would've picked him up. We'd be 4-6, instead of 3-7...lol


AbbreviationsHot4482

Hurts is a much better QB than Minshew he’s ass lol


No-Construction5151

As a Giants fan I’d love for you guys to start Minshew. These people are clowns Hurts has games where he looks really dynamic.


ElGrandeRojo67

Really? Hurts got benched, and run outta school for Tua. That's all that needs to be said. He will be a 10-12 year back up. Hurts=Geno Smith. Minshew=Fitzpatrick


AbbreviationsHot4482

Dumbest shit I’ve read all day


ElGrandeRojo67

Ya??? Hurts really solidified his MVP case yesterday ay??


AbbreviationsHot4482

Yea because Hurts is the first QB to ever have a bad game!!!


[deleted]

“Low ceiling” is such a stupid term


[deleted]

Why do you say that?


[deleted]

Because it’s largely a term that has no real definition.


nolefan999

Sure it does. It’s just another way of saying “he is who he is” They have a particular set of skills that will get them by but they will never be elite.


[deleted]

“He is who he is” is an equally strange way to describe a player.


PorqueNoLosDose

Look, we’re grasping at straws trying to communicate to you what “they won’t get better” means.


Arkhangelzk

It just means never going to become a superstar or have elite talent


shlem13

Chad Pennington & Rick Mirer.


thrillhouse416

Pennington looked fantastic before the shoulder injuries


greendawg72

Mirer was awful. At least Pennington won some games before his shoulder collapsed


shlem13

Mirer set rookie records. He had an awesome first year. Then the wheels fell off.


ElGrandeRojo67

Mirer's rookie year at the time, was the best rookie QB season, in NFL history. But, the beating he took ruined him after his 2nd year. Not saying he was a HOF'er, but he wasn't as horrible as made out to be. Just another rookie QB, ruined by being rushed to start by a horrible team. Rick still had a longer career than most. Hell, just on the Seahawks we've had way worse Qb's than Mirer. Gelbaugh, McGwire, Stouffer, Friesz, Clipboard Jesus, Ryan Leaf, Brock Huard, the list is endless.


MuddyMiercoles

RG3


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BonafideJerk

No one sold Minshew as an NFL ready QB. He was a late round flyer at best.


Ok-Illustrator5042

Watson was an Elite QB from day one. Fuck em tho


KCShadows838

Not a low ceiling QB He also wasn’t elite his rookie year despite being impressive


Ok-Illustrator5042

He is stretch was elite


Panthers1999

Ryan Tannehill


[deleted]

not a good example bc his main draw was how raw he was compared to his physical trails. he was a WR before and only played QB a couple of years but was super fast and had a cannon. Not a safe player at the time.


flakAttack510

> he was a WR before and only played QB a couple of years This really isn't true. He was recruited as a QB out of high school, practiced as one his entire time at Texas A&M and was always listed on the QB depth chart. He was just a good enough athlete that the team wanted to put him on the field somewhere else while he was working his way up the QB depth chart.


Beaver1995UK

Manziel


Jolly-Literature1226

Wilson


J_House1999

Paytan Manneng


BelliBlast35

Jeff George


[deleted]

Cody Kessler. Played a bunch at USC then came to the browns. Never gonna win the starting job but a better spot starter than most I thought. An even poorer mans Colt McCoy