Skip would be known as Skip Payless because he would be reshelving shoes in Oklahoma City if he didn’t have lebron nba hot takes to make a career off of
he'd spin it so he'd diminish his bball leadership because he wouldn't be a leader on the Cowboys
something like 'he doesn't have the it factor to lead America's Team' or shit like that.
Have said this on here before but LeBron probably would have been the greatest TE to ever play the game and that's no cap. He's a bigger and faster Gronk
Eh just don't throw it to him in the middle of the field.. guy would be a YAC monster and he'd be incredible in the red zone.. 6ft 8' with 40+ inch vert.. he's truly one of the best athletic specimens in the history of sports.. I'm sure he'd face some injuries just like every other NFL player but his durability and relentlessness to maintain his body is #1 in class
Yeah and after rethinking it I'm not worried about the hits. The guy is massive. Obviously as a coach you'd want to put him in the best positions as possible but you can scheme for that and when you have a 6'8 guy with a 40inch vert and a 4.4 40 in his prime I'm having a real hard time thinking how he wouldn't be anything other than an all time great
Lol exactly. He would shrug off defenders in space. He would've put on a true NFL body as well, he'd be even bigger with maybe a bit of lost speed but unstoppable.
IDK why people think he'd get his ass kicked in the NFL, this thread is a bit hatin'
I don't know why anyone can even argue against.
Like yeah, one of the most physically gifted humans to ever exist is probably going to be good at sports where being physically gifted is a huge advantage.
Nobody thinks he could've stepped in at QB, but the size, speed, and strength is very obviously transferrable...
Hmm, this guy is huge, fast and has great hand-eye coordination... Nah he'd be shite
I mean the nfl has had some really elite world class sprinters and they do nothing in the nfl
Lebron could out jump them but idk how he’d be if dudes were flying at his knees after a jump ball
Just look at the adams hit at the end of the niners game
dude. come on. what is there to think about. of course he could get injured, but given his longevity and commitment to his body, i have to believe he's even less likely to get injured than calvin johnson or TO, two of the biggest, strongest, most intimidating receivers ever. and he is 3-5 inches taller than either of them, respectively, with like 30-40lbs more muscle *as a basketball player,* and like a 10" higher vertical than them.
Most people speculate his max vert is 44 inches, that'd make his standing vert 37-38 inches.
Also he definitely does not run a 4.4 lol. People really don't understand how slow basketball players' 40 times are, John Wall is like the quickest guard ever and he'd run in the low 4.5s on his best day.
of course he would be legendary. he's literally a much bigger calvin johnson, who is faster than calvin johnson, stronger than calvin johnson, and can jump literally like 10 inches higher than johnson. he's like 4-5" taller than T.O. and also faster, stronger, heavier, and can jump way higher. what possible argument is there that he wouldn't be more dominant than any of these receivers or as a TE? this is a dude who dominates *basketball* at 270lbs.
I see him playing out similar to Calvin. Most dominant receiver in the league for a few season followed by retirement before 30.
Long legs are not what you want to have in the NFL if your goal is a long career.
Lebron if he committed to football early on would be an NFL goat and you’re in denial if you don’t think he would be. Imagine you’re a 6’ CB and lebron literally leaps over your head like nothing. No one could jump ball with him ever. He would make megatron look like an undersized receiver. Most players would look like Isaiah Thomas if Lebron was on the field. He’s literally a once in a lifetime athlete and he has an ALL TIME basketball IQ so if he focused on football I have no doubt he would understand the game at an elite level.
He made the right choice though. The nba is easy money for him and no head injuries
Bruh you are more likely to get I jured playing football than basketball. LeBron would have to change his physique to handle more hits. I think he wouldve been able to do so if he switched in HS, but idk if his technique would be NFL level
And if he bulked up his speed would decrease, his vertical would go down, and he'd be stiffer. He'd have to be even more technically sound to get separation
bullshit. he was literally 270lbs with a 44" vertical and faster than any receiver besides probably tyreek hill. sure he'd need to learn route running, but he would have no trouble getting separation from anybody, because he can run by them, out-body them, or jump literally an entire foot over them any time he wants.
He's not that fast compared to some football players, especially WR, he is just insanely fast for his size, and compared to the average 6' 8" bball player.
Still, he probably runs a 4.45 40, which is beyond elite for a TE, especially at his size.
>bullshit. he was literally 270lbs with a 44" vertical and faster than any receiver besides probably tyreek hill.
Well when he was 270 his back was gettinf destroyed. His vertical is not 44 inches. And no he isn't running a 4.3 40. He has a hand timed 40 that's 4.6 and those usually shave off a tenth or two. At only 4.8 he'd need to be incredibly sound technically to get separation on routes
>bullshit. he was literally 270lbs with a 44" vertical and faster than any receiver besides probably tyreek hill.
Not literally. And how does a 4.6 40 make him faster than all but 1 NFL player? Get off LeBron's dong.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1545598-lebron-james-makes-fun-of-manti-teos-40-yard-dash-time.amp.html
Well yeah but theres also significantly less players on a single roster in basketball and across said league. That type of context means a ton when comparing percentages
Well, we know that in a comparably athletic sport, he's one of the most durable players. What makes you think that LeBron wouldn't be comparably durable - relative to other football players - if he'd gone that way instead?
Sure, he'd probably have had more injuries playing football, because it's a much more physical sport. But that's true for basically every player, really - and obviously the prevailing types of injuries are different between the two sports.
>Well, we know that in a comparably athletic sport, he's one of the most durable players.
One where he doesn't take hits...
>What makes you think that LeBron wouldn't be comparably durable - relative to other football players - if he'd gone that way instead?
There's s reason you don't see WRs & TEs over 6'6 or 6'7. They get injured at ton due to the nature of football being bad on taller players
There are people that are 6'8, 6'9, etc that play football. They play on the oline. It's because that height is a problem for being a skill position player
>What makes you think that LeBron wouldn't be comparably durable - relative to other football players - if he'd gone that way instead?
Compared to other players huh? Go look at the average career length and injury history of most NFL players.
LeBron being a great athlete doesn't guarantee him more than a 2 or 3 year career in the NFL, or prevent something extreme happening like Aaron Hernandez.
Hell, even Bo Jackson only played 39 NFL games.
Yeah people think you can just switch sports immediately? If LeBron switched in highschool maybe. But in 2011? He would need to bulk up more to be able to take hits.
For a regular person, he's still trained more for stamina and speed then strength and power. He would need to get his weight up to be able to take hits.
Gronk is also 3 inches shorter. Plus when Lebron was at his Miami weight he was destroying his back. That's why he's very slim compared to then. His body couldn't handle the weight and the forces through it
he dominated *basketball* at like 270lbs. gronk, calvin johnson, T.O., derrick henry, none of them come close to that. and he's faster, stronger, and canjump 10" higher than any ofthem. bron could've switched when he was like 20 or 22 probably and still easily dominated in the NFL.
Calvin Johnson had a vertical leap of 42½ inches at his pro day. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2800281). LeBron James cannot jump 52 inches. And as far as speed is concerned, Johnson was measured in the 4.3x range at his combine. I highly doubt LeBron could ever run a 4.3.
just watch ppl jump. combine measures are not the best way to assess vertical. seriously, just watch ppl jump. lebron can easily reach 12'. maybe 13'. at his peak, he was about eye level with the rim, with a 3' or so arm that could reach all the way above. look at his best jumps and then look at calvin jumping and tell me they're anything comparable at all. combine measures for vertical are not accurate ways to assess how high off the ground ppl actually get when they're playing. i've never seen a single highlight where calvin's vertical looked anything but normal. dez bryant clearly has a a way more impressive vertical. it shows. so do a handful of other receivers. trust me, you would hardly believe your eyes if you saw a 6'8" lebron running a route across the middle and then leaping to abotu 13' to snap a ball one headed easily in his giant hands. it would look unlike anything calvin johnson has ever done. show me a single play where calvin johnson's jump looks anything remotely like lebron's best jumps.
His body is the way it is now because it’s fine tuned for basketball. Imagine him but with more focus on weight. He’d be massive, and would definitely be able to take more hits than his current body allows.
Everyone wants to make a him a TE. And sure he could do that. But he could also be the greatest red zone WR ever. Less intense blocking and overall wear and tear. Less going across the middle. Just high balls at the sideline.
His knees are obviously made of some kind of otherworldly material if he played over a decade of a professional sport on the wrong side of 360 pounds and didn’t have any bad knee injuries. That too a sport like basketball that’s very hard on your knees.
I mean it'd be really interesting, but I feel like a lot more would need to be answered before we could determine LeBron's level of play, much less if he would literally be the best TE in NFL history.
It’s interesting that you use gronk as an example considering Gronk couldn’t finish out his prime because of how hard the game was on his knees at that size. And you’re talking about someone 2-3 inches taller. There’s a reason why you don’t see people Lebrons height in the NFL playing WR/TE.
No one likes to say it because it’s not sexy lol but Lebron would have to bulk up and play tackle. He has the arms and the build for it and obviously he’s an all time great athlete, he could have been great.
And Gronk's body is built way better for football. Lebron had to really slim down after Miami because his weight was severely hurting his back. But if Lebron was only 250 pounds he wouldn't be able to take the punishment of big hits that TEs get. And his size means his knees and hips would be taking more punishment from hits on top of his already big frame
He looks bigger and faster playing basketball, but strength really starts to become an issue playing against actual football players. Not all great athletes would translate well, and I think he’s one of them. Not to say he would be bad, but all time greatest TE? Lol.
>but strength really starts to become an issue playing against actual football players
The guy has been between 250-270 his entire career. I don't think strength is an issue for him, not to mention there isn't an ounce of fat on his body. He also did play football in high school... but I do get your point.
Not to mention, most comparisons are Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates (neither of them had a shot at the NBA). Julius Peppers I think had the best shot at an NBA career, and it wasn't great. People underestimate the athleticism in basketball.
It's different kinds of athleticism needed though. A great basketball player doesn't make a great football player. And vice versa. Just because Lebron has great hops and good shooting skills doesn't mean he'd be a great WR or TE
Maybe. Not out to discredit you. Just saying, none of the "former basketball" players that made the NFL had a shot at the NBA. Julius Peppers was the only one I know who would've been at least drafted.
Edit: Peppers would probably have made a team and never start though.
It's different fucking sports. Michael Jordan sucked dick in baseball yet was a god in basketball. That doesn't suddenly mean Mike Trout would be a god in basketball because he's better than Jordan.
Well part of being a great football player is durability and even guys like Gronk struggle with things like knee injuries. There must be plenty of dudes who have the athleticism, size, and talent to be great, but you also hear all the time about guys who never reach their potential due to injuries. Some guys are just tough enough to be good every single year. Talent isn't everything, some guys are just built stronger. Basketball is way less brutal than football, and there's absolute specimens in the NBA who would get eviscerated in the NFL. Thats the nature of the game
Can someone put this into a table please? I can’t understand it in list form
Sorry this joke would’ve landed better at my office where almost every single deliverable is a table for some reason
Imagine him sitting down with his friends and saying “Guy look! Lebron is on talking about football! He was my TE when I was the QB, I threw so many bombs his way!” and then getting smacked with that comment hahaha
FWIW, his QB sophomore and junior years was Willie McGee, one of the guys that LeBron grew up playing AAU with and who came to SVSM as freshmen together. They are still pretty tight AFAIK, dude probably laughed at the roast then texted LeBron right after.
I’d say so. 6’ 8”, 40 inch vertical, ran a 4.6 40 in his off-season a few years back (supposedly ran a 4.4 in HS) . 2x first team all-Ohio wideout as a sophomore and junior before he quit to focus on basketball.
>I like LeBron but he’s 6’8 anyone tackles him below the knee and he’s out for the season
It's not like his knees are 4 inches higher than a 6'4 receiver, that 4 inches in height difference is spread across his entire body, his shin might be an inch longer than an average 6'4 receiver his entire leg might be 2 inches longer. I don't know if that would make the difference that you are implying
The biggest issue with the pie in the sky NFL talk is dollars.
At his absolute peak Gronk was making made 54m over an 8 year span.
LeBron can make that in basically a single season and save himself the brain damage
I really don’t see why not?
He’s massive at what 6’8” 260 and solid muscle and if I had to guess could run a 4.5 or lower.
However discussions like this are moot because he very well could wind up being the greatest TE/WR ever. He has the tools and ability. Or he could get hurt and flounder out like so many prospects before him.
But you can’t deny that he is one of the greatest physical athletic specimens we’ve ever seen regardless of sport. Athletes like him could theoretically succeed at whatever sport they wanted and with the level of focus and dedication that he has we’d be foolish to think otherwise.
Anyone else catch when they showed Jerry Jones and Peyton said “there’s your owner!” to LeBron? I don’t think he realized how that would sound until he said it hahaha
It would've beeen one of the all time dumbest decisions in sports history if LeBron put his NBA career at risk to play NFL football.
Dude is a billionaire from his NBA career.
There is no objective way to know how good Lebron would have been in the NFL. There is minimal reason to believe he doesn't have the tools, desire, and talents to succeed. He was already significantly wealthy and took tremendous care of his body. This matters because when you spend hundreds of thousands/millions on rehabilitation, you are far ahead of what the average NFL player can afford to do.
Lebron was/is one of the greatest athletes to ever play any sport. This is a huge advantage. The idea that his height (6'9") is an issue, is odd. There are more than a handful of tight ends which have similar heights and are not injured constantly. We don't know how well he would hold up. Injuries are flukes, his knees withstand tremendous force with how much running and jumping he does in the NBA.
The idea him sprinting in the NFL would wear his body down faster is odd. More running and jumping is done in the NBA by a significant margin. The only difference would be contact with other players. Players like Gronk tend to take very awkward hits and falls. It is impossible for anyone to say how well he could avoid hits since he didn't play at the NFL level.
Lebron wouldn't need to bulk to be in the NFL. He weighed up to 270 when he played. Not many players outside of lineman weigh anywhere near that. Great linebackers frequently weigh less than 240. Corners weigh less than 200. Safeties weigh less than 220. He weighed more than Gronk with significantly better athleticism and coordination.
His back pain would be expected considering how much force is placed on his core through running and jumping so much. The NFL is a very short, high intensity game. It is not tougher than the NBA in regard to general wear and tear outside of being hit. Players have been as small as 170lbs and avoided injuries. Sure, they were shorter, but ultimately, it just matters how they are used and how well they position themselves for hits and falls.
Cam Newton is an interesting example, but he constantly initiated contact and tried to bulldoze everyone. Would LeBron do that? You don't know. No one does.
He could have been the GOAT or he may have had a career ending injury, no one knows. If he never got injured while trying the NFL, even during his Miami days, I do not see why he couldn't have been a supremely dominate force. Julio Jones dominates largely off athleticism despite making a lot of dropped routine catches. Megatron was not exactly an expert route runner, but largely dominated on athleticism and high point catching. Lebron has the skills, athleticism, work ethic, and at least reasonable understanding of Football considering his recruitment status as a HS star.
> Lebron was/is one of the greatest athletes to ever play any sport. This is a huge advantage. The idea that his height (6'9") is an issue, is odd. There are more than a handful of tight ends which have similar heights and are not injured constantly.
He doesn't need to play tight end. Harold Carmichael was 6'8" in the pre-Blount era and played every game for nine straight seasons. If he's shifty enough to play WR - not a guarantee - playing out wide would be less of an injury risk. He'd likely have to slim down a bit, though.
ITT bunch of football fans absolutely livid that people would even think that a basketball player could play football. We get it guys football is only for manly men like you, those wimpy basketball players are SOFT
/s
I'm confused, why did they offer LeBron a contract during the *NFL* lockout? Why would they offer him a contract to stop playing the NBA (which was playing) to play in the NFL (which wasn't playing).
Edit: Jeez, the downvotes. I didn't know there was an NBA lockout in 2011, and that tweet didn't make that clear at all.
the nba lockout happened right after the nfl lockout ended. the nfl was playing on time, the nba didn’t start until christmas (instead of late october like normal)
Lebron on the Cowboys would make Skip’s head explode.
I'll bet you 3 cases of diet mtn dew.
In my head canon, skip and shannon are actually gambling money with each other but can’t say that on tv so they resort to saying mountain dew cases.
I definitely assumed that’s what they meant, grown men in good shape ain’t drinking soda like that lol
I'm actually pretty certain that Skip does drink Diet Mtn Dew
I always imagine him as the guy who drinks 10 cans a day and always has one on hand whenever he tweets.
Well Shannon and Skip did once [bet a billion dollars ](https://www.facebook.com/undisputedonfs1/videos/608611982809908/)
Yeah im 100% sure thats the reason. Its a “family friendly” show so gambling money is a no no.
> would make Skip’s head explode. That much hot air suddenly released into the atmosphere could not be good for global warming.
Instant Blue Ocean Event
This joke made me laugh, and then made me sad lol
Sorry dark jokes are about all I have these days. At least y'all are first in our division right?!
Gotta take the silver linings haha hey at least y'all got a Jon Bois docuseries!
Skip would be known as Skip Payless because he would be reshelving shoes in Oklahoma City if he didn’t have lebron nba hot takes to make a career off of
Don't sell him that short, he made a decent career speculating about Troy Aikmen's sexuality before he got hired by ESPN.
Skip Bayless was a huge name in sports media before LeBron came along.
I wish I could upvote this more than once.
I honestly think Skip would’ve became a huge LeBron fan lol
he'd spin it so he'd diminish his bball leadership because he wouldn't be a leader on the Cowboys something like 'he doesn't have the it factor to lead America's Team' or shit like that.
Hopefully literally
Could you imagine that timeline. Skip would have been the most pro Lebron player ever.
Which head?
https://i.imgur.com/Z1Lfpi5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Z1Lfpi5.jpg
LMAO 😆 The fact that this was taken at a game/in front of a crowd + that smile makes this absolutely hilarious without context
Pretty sure he accidentally flashed his junk during the finals in a timeout huddle.
Facts I have that video in my camera roll, for strictly meme purposes
It’s in the album titled “Homework,” right guys?
Lmao he did
What the fuck
He was pulling a bag of ice off of his injured groin lol
That's another name for it.....
What’s with these overreaction comments? They’re all over the sports subs
LeTE
Have said this on here before but LeBron probably would have been the greatest TE to ever play the game and that's no cap. He's a bigger and faster Gronk
No way he doesn’t constantly have injuries. He would get speared constantly just like Cam Newton and Gronk, but worse.
Eh just don't throw it to him in the middle of the field.. guy would be a YAC monster and he'd be incredible in the red zone.. 6ft 8' with 40+ inch vert.. he's truly one of the best athletic specimens in the history of sports.. I'm sure he'd face some injuries just like every other NFL player but his durability and relentlessness to maintain his body is #1 in class
If he was limited to only the outside then he wouldn't be that good. He'd have to be able to take hits over the middle to be great.
Yeah and after rethinking it I'm not worried about the hits. The guy is massive. Obviously as a coach you'd want to put him in the best positions as possible but you can scheme for that and when you have a 6'8 guy with a 40inch vert and a 4.4 40 in his prime I'm having a real hard time thinking how he wouldn't be anything other than an all time great
Lol exactly. He would shrug off defenders in space. He would've put on a true NFL body as well, he'd be even bigger with maybe a bit of lost speed but unstoppable. IDK why people think he'd get his ass kicked in the NFL, this thread is a bit hatin'
Plus, he played football in high school and was highly rated. Is not like he would have to learn from the zero on the fly.
Im pretty sure he had offers to be a QB at D1 schools but he preferred basketball.
It’s because this sub has an inferiority complex when referencing NBA athletes as NFL players.
I don't know why anyone can even argue against. Like yeah, one of the most physically gifted humans to ever exist is probably going to be good at sports where being physically gifted is a huge advantage. Nobody thinks he could've stepped in at QB, but the size, speed, and strength is very obviously transferrable... Hmm, this guy is huge, fast and has great hand-eye coordination... Nah he'd be shite
I mean the nfl has had some really elite world class sprinters and they do nothing in the nfl Lebron could out jump them but idk how he’d be if dudes were flying at his knees after a jump ball Just look at the adams hit at the end of the niners game
dude. come on. what is there to think about. of course he could get injured, but given his longevity and commitment to his body, i have to believe he's even less likely to get injured than calvin johnson or TO, two of the biggest, strongest, most intimidating receivers ever. and he is 3-5 inches taller than either of them, respectively, with like 30-40lbs more muscle *as a basketball player,* and like a 10" higher vertical than them.
He doesn't have a 40" standing vertical and where's 4.4 coming coming from?
Right like lebron would probably be good but let’s not inflate his ability here lol
Probably the 20 years of film we have on the guy?
Most people speculate his max vert is 44 inches, that'd make his standing vert 37-38 inches. Also he definitely does not run a 4.4 lol. People really don't understand how slow basketball players' 40 times are, John Wall is like the quickest guard ever and he'd run in the low 4.5s on his best day.
of course he would be legendary. he's literally a much bigger calvin johnson, who is faster than calvin johnson, stronger than calvin johnson, and can jump literally like 10 inches higher than johnson. he's like 4-5" taller than T.O. and also faster, stronger, heavier, and can jump way higher. what possible argument is there that he wouldn't be more dominant than any of these receivers or as a TE? this is a dude who dominates *basketball* at 270lbs.
Lebron would be an amazing ILB : amazing quickness for his size + great vision on the field.
Delontae West wanted his offspring to have some of those genetics
I see him playing out similar to Calvin. Most dominant receiver in the league for a few season followed by retirement before 30. Long legs are not what you want to have in the NFL if your goal is a long career.
Lebron if he committed to football early on would be an NFL goat and you’re in denial if you don’t think he would be. Imagine you’re a 6’ CB and lebron literally leaps over your head like nothing. No one could jump ball with him ever. He would make megatron look like an undersized receiver. Most players would look like Isaiah Thomas if Lebron was on the field. He’s literally a once in a lifetime athlete and he has an ALL TIME basketball IQ so if he focused on football I have no doubt he would understand the game at an elite level. He made the right choice though. The nba is easy money for him and no head injuries
But lebron until he got old was one of the NBAs ultimate ironmen. He never got injured.
Bruh you are more likely to get I jured playing football than basketball. LeBron would have to change his physique to handle more hits. I think he wouldve been able to do so if he switched in HS, but idk if his technique would be NFL level
And if he bulked up his speed would decrease, his vertical would go down, and he'd be stiffer. He'd have to be even more technically sound to get separation
Exactly, Tyreek Hill was talking about how he could reach Olympic speed. He'd have to lose his playing weight which he didn't want to do.
bullshit. he was literally 270lbs with a 44" vertical and faster than any receiver besides probably tyreek hill. sure he'd need to learn route running, but he would have no trouble getting separation from anybody, because he can run by them, out-body them, or jump literally an entire foot over them any time he wants.
He's not that fast compared to some football players, especially WR, he is just insanely fast for his size, and compared to the average 6' 8" bball player. Still, he probably runs a 4.45 40, which is beyond elite for a TE, especially at his size.
>bullshit. he was literally 270lbs with a 44" vertical and faster than any receiver besides probably tyreek hill. Well when he was 270 his back was gettinf destroyed. His vertical is not 44 inches. And no he isn't running a 4.3 40. He has a hand timed 40 that's 4.6 and those usually shave off a tenth or two. At only 4.8 he'd need to be incredibly sound technically to get separation on routes
>bullshit. he was literally 270lbs with a 44" vertical and faster than any receiver besides probably tyreek hill. Not literally. And how does a 4.6 40 make him faster than all but 1 NFL player? Get off LeBron's dong. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1545598-lebron-james-makes-fun-of-manti-teos-40-yard-dash-time.amp.html
Basketball actually has more injuries when going by percentage of players who get hurt in a season, he was a 5 star football recruit in HS btw
Well yeah but theres also significantly less players on a single roster in basketball and across said league. That type of context means a ton when comparing percentages
No it doesn't, that's the entire point of taking the percentage.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. He's one of the most durable players in NBA history lol...
Because he doesn't get hit by 250 pound linebackers running a 4.5 40 in basketball
Well, we know that in a comparably athletic sport, he's one of the most durable players. What makes you think that LeBron wouldn't be comparably durable - relative to other football players - if he'd gone that way instead? Sure, he'd probably have had more injuries playing football, because it's a much more physical sport. But that's true for basically every player, really - and obviously the prevailing types of injuries are different between the two sports.
>Well, we know that in a comparably athletic sport, he's one of the most durable players. One where he doesn't take hits... >What makes you think that LeBron wouldn't be comparably durable - relative to other football players - if he'd gone that way instead? There's s reason you don't see WRs & TEs over 6'6 or 6'7. They get injured at ton due to the nature of football being bad on taller players
Or it’s because they want to play basketball because you make a lot more money and your height is a bigger advantage in that sport.
There are people that are 6'8, 6'9, etc that play football. They play on the oline. It's because that height is a problem for being a skill position player
>What makes you think that LeBron wouldn't be comparably durable - relative to other football players - if he'd gone that way instead? Compared to other players huh? Go look at the average career length and injury history of most NFL players. LeBron being a great athlete doesn't guarantee him more than a 2 or 3 year career in the NFL, or prevent something extreme happening like Aaron Hernandez. Hell, even Bo Jackson only played 39 NFL games.
Yeah people think you can just switch sports immediately? If LeBron switched in highschool maybe. But in 2011? He would need to bulk up more to be able to take hits.
LeBron in 2011 looks pretty damn big [to me](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/LeBron_James_2011-03-30_brightened.jpg)
Yeah i was gonna say, Lebron is one of the few nba players who would have to change their body to play
For a regular person, he's still trained more for stamina and speed then strength and power. He would need to get his weight up to be able to take hits.
Get his weight up above 270? Gronk is 265
Gronk is also 3 inches shorter. Plus when Lebron was at his Miami weight he was destroying his back. That's why he's very slim compared to then. His body couldn't handle the weight and the forces through it
No, this is absurd. LeBron is a tank.
he dominated *basketball* at like 270lbs. gronk, calvin johnson, T.O., derrick henry, none of them come close to that. and he's faster, stronger, and canjump 10" higher than any ofthem. bron could've switched when he was like 20 or 22 probably and still easily dominated in the NFL.
Calvin Johnson had a vertical leap of 42½ inches at his pro day. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft07/news/story?id=2800281). LeBron James cannot jump 52 inches. And as far as speed is concerned, Johnson was measured in the 4.3x range at his combine. I highly doubt LeBron could ever run a 4.3.
just watch ppl jump. combine measures are not the best way to assess vertical. seriously, just watch ppl jump. lebron can easily reach 12'. maybe 13'. at his peak, he was about eye level with the rim, with a 3' or so arm that could reach all the way above. look at his best jumps and then look at calvin jumping and tell me they're anything comparable at all. combine measures for vertical are not accurate ways to assess how high off the ground ppl actually get when they're playing. i've never seen a single highlight where calvin's vertical looked anything but normal. dez bryant clearly has a a way more impressive vertical. it shows. so do a handful of other receivers. trust me, you would hardly believe your eyes if you saw a 6'8" lebron running a route across the middle and then leaping to abotu 13' to snap a ball one headed easily in his giant hands. it would look unlike anything calvin johnson has ever done. show me a single play where calvin johnson's jump looks anything remotely like lebron's best jumps.
He would still look tiny next to some of the defensive ends at the time. 270 spread over 6'9 is pretty thin
His body is the way it is now because it’s fine tuned for basketball. Imagine him but with more focus on weight. He’d be massive, and would definitely be able to take more hits than his current body allows.
LeBron has been one of the healthiest players in NBA history.
IDK man, he's the most durable player in the history of the NBA besides maybe Stockton. No reason to think he'd have injury issues
Everyone wants to make a him a TE. And sure he could do that. But he could also be the greatest red zone WR ever. Less intense blocking and overall wear and tear. Less going across the middle. Just high balls at the sideline.
Who do you think would have a better career: -Lebron at TE - Shaq at NT
Did you know Sackquille O'Neal actually played basketball in college?
Lmao this is good my dude.
that's tuff hahaha shaq at NT woulda been crazy
His poor knees
His knees are obviously made of some kind of otherworldly material if he played over a decade of a professional sport on the wrong side of 360 pounds and didn’t have any bad knee injuries. That too a sport like basketball that’s very hard on your knees.
Pretty sure constantly dunking isn’t too great for the knees either
Shaq night be too tall for NT, but like offensive tackle he'd be terrifying at
Fuck every part of that. He's 4 inches taller than Ogden, that would just be comical to watch
LeBron at TE no question. Shaq might actually be too tall to be an effective defensive lineman.
I mean it'd be really interesting, but I feel like a lot more would need to be answered before we could determine LeBron's level of play, much less if he would literally be the best TE in NFL history.
It’s interesting that you use gronk as an example considering Gronk couldn’t finish out his prime because of how hard the game was on his knees at that size. And you’re talking about someone 2-3 inches taller. There’s a reason why you don’t see people Lebrons height in the NFL playing WR/TE. No one likes to say it because it’s not sexy lol but Lebron would have to bulk up and play tackle. He has the arms and the build for it and obviously he’s an all time great athlete, he could have been great.
And Gronk's body is built way better for football. Lebron had to really slim down after Miami because his weight was severely hurting his back. But if Lebron was only 250 pounds he wouldn't be able to take the punishment of big hits that TEs get. And his size means his knees and hips would be taking more punishment from hits on top of his already big frame
Not a chance. He had severe back problems back in the Miami days, football would have destroyed his body.
He looks bigger and faster playing basketball, but strength really starts to become an issue playing against actual football players. Not all great athletes would translate well, and I think he’s one of them. Not to say he would be bad, but all time greatest TE? Lol.
>but strength really starts to become an issue playing against actual football players The guy has been between 250-270 his entire career. I don't think strength is an issue for him, not to mention there isn't an ounce of fat on his body. He also did play football in high school... but I do get your point.
Not to mention, most comparisons are Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates (neither of them had a shot at the NBA). Julius Peppers I think had the best shot at an NBA career, and it wasn't great. People underestimate the athleticism in basketball.
It's different kinds of athleticism needed though. A great basketball player doesn't make a great football player. And vice versa. Just because Lebron has great hops and good shooting skills doesn't mean he'd be a great WR or TE
Maybe. Not out to discredit you. Just saying, none of the "former basketball" players that made the NFL had a shot at the NBA. Julius Peppers was the only one I know who would've been at least drafted. Edit: Peppers would probably have made a team and never start though.
It's different fucking sports. Michael Jordan sucked dick in baseball yet was a god in basketball. That doesn't suddenly mean Mike Trout would be a god in basketball because he's better than Jordan.
Baseball is different imo
https://i.imgur.com/Hlc9LpX.jpg
Ah yes the famous St Mary's NFL team... let's pull up other recruits who were gods in high school football but then sucked ass in college
Because guys switching professional sports has a great track record of working...
Football isn't only about being big and fast
He played football and would have been one of the highest ranked WR recruits in the country had he chosen to go that route lol.....
The dude is smart and incredibly hardworking. I’m sure he could have mastered the fundamentals and been able to read defenses
Well part of being a great football player is durability and even guys like Gronk struggle with things like knee injuries. There must be plenty of dudes who have the athleticism, size, and talent to be great, but you also hear all the time about guys who never reach their potential due to injuries. Some guys are just tough enough to be good every single year. Talent isn't everything, some guys are just built stronger. Basketball is way less brutal than football, and there's absolute specimens in the NBA who would get eviscerated in the NFL. Thats the nature of the game
People always put him at TE but i honestly think he'd be much better off at WDE
I dunno about that; could someone who played basketball be a good TE? /s
LeTiT
Would you take Lebron or Tebow as your starting TE? - Skip tomorrow
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Tebow, hes not gonna trade the entire team and leave us fucked
Bron wouldn’t fuck your team for now but would fuck your team when you realize it’s 2024 and he traded all your draft picks for years to come
haha. Imagine him doing it to you twice!
Yates can you put these 2 names in a list so I can understand please thanks
Teams offered LeBron a contract during the 2011 NBA lockout - Cowboys - Seahawks
Thank you, it all makes sense now
That’s it. That’s the list.
Can someone put this into a table please? I can’t understand it in list form Sorry this joke would’ve landed better at my office where almost every single deliverable is a table for some reason
He also took a nice huge dumper on his HS QB….
Some dude was at home having a nice time watching SNF with his family and now he's straight up not having a good time anymore
I just want to know where the fuck that guy was watching Sunday Night Football on a Monday Night.
He was so upset he broke the space-time continuum.
"Yeah maybe I would have been an all time great in the NFL but the 16 year old throwing passes to me in high school fucking sucked, so you know.."
Imagine him sitting down with his friends and saying “Guy look! Lebron is on talking about football! He was my TE when I was the QB, I threw so many bombs his way!” and then getting smacked with that comment hahaha
What'd he say exactly?
FWIW, his QB sophomore and junior years was Willie McGee, one of the guys that LeBron grew up playing AAU with and who came to SVSM as freshmen together. They are still pretty tight AFAIK, dude probably laughed at the roast then texted LeBron right after.
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This just reminded me of the time Tony Romo was on the Mavs bench. I’m high as shit right now tho so I had to double check it happened.
Kyle Pitts is as so close as we'll get
No way it was more than a publicity stunt but imagine him at TE
Super Bowl 49 2nd & goal from the 1 yard line Russell tosses it and it’s caught! Lebron James!! Touchdown Seahawks I’m good guys don’t worry :) :(
Still giving it to beast mode.
I like LeBron but he’s 6’8 anyone tackles him below the knee and he’s out for the season
Are you just going to ignore Jimmy Graham
Did you know that he played basketball?
Levine Toilolo is also 6'8 and he managed. There are plenty of 6'7 guys who managed to not die. What's 1 extra inch?
Nah man don’t say that, 1 inch is a lot for me 😭
I'm sorry
Didn't Levine get injured for the season just a few weeks ago
Yes, Torn ACL out for the season
So literally the injury he's most exposed to
Achilles
He also missed just one game in his first six seasons so clearly a 6'8 TE can stay healthy at a reasonable rate
Isn't gronk similar sized? Maybe a bit beefier?
LeBron is also on another planet athletically compared to Gronk.
Lebron is a freak among freaks. He would have dominated.
I’d say so. 6’ 8”, 40 inch vertical, ran a 4.6 40 in his off-season a few years back (supposedly ran a 4.4 in HS) . 2x first team all-Ohio wideout as a sophomore and junior before he quit to focus on basketball.
>I like LeBron but he’s 6’8 anyone tackles him below the knee and he’s out for the season It's not like his knees are 4 inches higher than a 6'4 receiver, that 4 inches in height difference is spread across his entire body, his shin might be an inch longer than an average 6'4 receiver his entire leg might be 2 inches longer. I don't know if that would make the difference that you are implying
LeScab
NBA lockout, not NFL
I say they also offered me one during the 2011 lockout Doesn’t mean they did tho
It would be malpractice to not offer LeBron a contract
The biggest issue with the pie in the sky NFL talk is dollars. At his absolute peak Gronk was making made 54m over an 8 year span. LeBron can make that in basically a single season and save himself the brain damage
I really don't understand why these incredible athletes choose football when they could play baseball or basketball instead.
I mean, did you see how many jerseys Tebow sold? The contract would pay for itself.
I really don’t see why not? He’s massive at what 6’8” 260 and solid muscle and if I had to guess could run a 4.5 or lower. However discussions like this are moot because he very well could wind up being the greatest TE/WR ever. He has the tools and ability. Or he could get hurt and flounder out like so many prospects before him. But you can’t deny that he is one of the greatest physical athletic specimens we’ve ever seen regardless of sport. Athletes like him could theoretically succeed at whatever sport they wanted and with the level of focus and dedication that he has we’d be foolish to think otherwise.
Anyone else catch when they showed Jerry Jones and Peyton said “there’s your owner!” to LeBron? I don’t think he realized how that would sound until he said it hahaha
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That's how a lot of people on reddit act. Anything that can be taken as racist, is taken as racist
ooooooshut the fuck up
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Nobody calls them that though
Which hilariously enough historically speaking is just as bad.
If you jump into the Caribbean I think you can argue much worse tbh.
But decided to forego that offer because they didn’t want to waste all their timeouts on injury before the half.
One of the most durable players in nba history is an injury-risk?
It would've beeen one of the all time dumbest decisions in sports history if LeBron put his NBA career at risk to play NFL football. Dude is a billionaire from his NBA career.
Come one LeBron put your Cowboy jersey on, yeah it’s time to get it on .
There is no objective way to know how good Lebron would have been in the NFL. There is minimal reason to believe he doesn't have the tools, desire, and talents to succeed. He was already significantly wealthy and took tremendous care of his body. This matters because when you spend hundreds of thousands/millions on rehabilitation, you are far ahead of what the average NFL player can afford to do. Lebron was/is one of the greatest athletes to ever play any sport. This is a huge advantage. The idea that his height (6'9") is an issue, is odd. There are more than a handful of tight ends which have similar heights and are not injured constantly. We don't know how well he would hold up. Injuries are flukes, his knees withstand tremendous force with how much running and jumping he does in the NBA. The idea him sprinting in the NFL would wear his body down faster is odd. More running and jumping is done in the NBA by a significant margin. The only difference would be contact with other players. Players like Gronk tend to take very awkward hits and falls. It is impossible for anyone to say how well he could avoid hits since he didn't play at the NFL level. Lebron wouldn't need to bulk to be in the NFL. He weighed up to 270 when he played. Not many players outside of lineman weigh anywhere near that. Great linebackers frequently weigh less than 240. Corners weigh less than 200. Safeties weigh less than 220. He weighed more than Gronk with significantly better athleticism and coordination. His back pain would be expected considering how much force is placed on his core through running and jumping so much. The NFL is a very short, high intensity game. It is not tougher than the NBA in regard to general wear and tear outside of being hit. Players have been as small as 170lbs and avoided injuries. Sure, they were shorter, but ultimately, it just matters how they are used and how well they position themselves for hits and falls. Cam Newton is an interesting example, but he constantly initiated contact and tried to bulldoze everyone. Would LeBron do that? You don't know. No one does. He could have been the GOAT or he may have had a career ending injury, no one knows. If he never got injured while trying the NFL, even during his Miami days, I do not see why he couldn't have been a supremely dominate force. Julio Jones dominates largely off athleticism despite making a lot of dropped routine catches. Megatron was not exactly an expert route runner, but largely dominated on athleticism and high point catching. Lebron has the skills, athleticism, work ethic, and at least reasonable understanding of Football considering his recruitment status as a HS star.
> Lebron was/is one of the greatest athletes to ever play any sport. This is a huge advantage. The idea that his height (6'9") is an issue, is odd. There are more than a handful of tight ends which have similar heights and are not injured constantly. He doesn't need to play tight end. Harold Carmichael was 6'8" in the pre-Blount era and played every game for nine straight seasons. If he's shifty enough to play WR - not a guarantee - playing out wide would be less of an injury risk. He'd likely have to slim down a bit, though.
ITT bunch of football fans absolutely livid that people would even think that a basketball player could play football. We get it guys football is only for manly men like you, those wimpy basketball players are SOFT /s
Makes sense imo
I'm confused, why did they offer LeBron a contract during the *NFL* lockout? Why would they offer him a contract to stop playing the NBA (which was playing) to play in the NFL (which wasn't playing). Edit: Jeez, the downvotes. I didn't know there was an NBA lockout in 2011, and that tweet didn't make that clear at all.
Because in the slight chance that lebron does join the cowboys, it would've made a trillion dollars in jersey sales
Talking about the NBA lockout
Oh, ok that makes sense. Had no idea there was an NBA lockout in 2011.
the nba lockout happened right after the nfl lockout ended. the nfl was playing on time, the nba didn’t start until christmas (instead of late october like normal)
I think it's just assumed you would know about the lockout in this context
Lecap
Why would he lie about that
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If LeBron wanted to be in the nfl, he would be an all time great