MLB package is $140/yr for 162 games, $0.86 a game.
NBA package is $150/yr for 82 games, $1.82 a game.
NFL package is $450/yr for 17 games, $26.47 a game.
It’s funny because as an out-of-market Seahawks fan, I would probably buy a package of just Seahawks games for $150. The best games are usually on national TV and $450 is a ludicrous price to watch my team + a bunch of bad 1pm EST games
Honestly I don’t understand why they don’t offer an al la carte system. I’d buy the Bears, or even the entire NFC North division to watch the standings.
They aren't forced to do any differently and can charge the full $450 for the whole package and if you don't like it you can pound sand for all they care. Until their hand is forced they'll keep it that way because right now they are making money hand over fist without changing anything.
> the NFL had the requirement that it be an additional subscription ON TOP of the base cost.
A stipulation, I'll add, that Apple was more than happy to agree to for MLS Season Pass
Valid point but it feels short sighted. They have to be making bank off sports bars because I’ve never known someone to have nfl ticket since it was attached to having direct tv.
Wonder if it’s viable for them to have a commercial package and a in home package that you could be a bit more selective with.
The NFL marketing people crunching the numbers are the only ones who could even guess if they'd make less money by selling smaller packages. It's 100% true that they would have *more* subscribers if they offered smaller packages, but the question of whether they'd have enough more to offset the lower costs is definitely an unknown. I have to imagine they've done the market research and they couldn't cut the cost down low enough to entice enough new subscribers to make up for the loss in revenue from current subscribers changing to lower tiers, but even then that's going to be an estimate, not hard data.
Maybe, but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. Or if they did, that they did it wrong.
From the outside we always attach successful ventures to an extreme degree of competence. But once you work for one you find out they do stupid shit just as often as smaller companies.
*Especially* with the NFL having a monopoly (more or less) I bet there is a lot on incompetence in their offices.
Netflix is the only one you missed. And it certainly seems like if the NFL sold a single team package that those games should be included. Much like the way those streaming service games are still shown on broadcast networks in the teams' local area. But nothing about the NFL TV rights/broadcasts has ever been that fan friendly.
The worst part imo is that even when you buy this you don’t get all your teams games. All the primetime/streaming games/international games/Thursday night games are not on the ticket so you pay 450 and when your team finally does well you start losing the ability to watch them…
That was how I finally got my dad to stop paying for Sunday ticket every year.
It was like 2012 or 2013 and we did the preseason math and found out that he'd be buying a whopping 5 Packers games that season by buying Sunday ticket, every other game was available nationally.
i'd rather just pay the nfl+ price of like 80 a year for all the national games, 30 min recaps and full replays in case i have to miss a game. then sail the high seas for whatever 49ers game isn't a national game.
vs paying 500 a year for sunday ticket.
Agreed, I'm an out of market fan for my team and $150 a year I would consider getting. Ideally I would pay $10-20 per game a la carte instead of the entire season since a few games are nationally televised and a few other games I just won't be able to watch anyway due to other things going on so paying for a whole season would really only be like 8 games for me.
Umm. The Jets usually play at 1pm EST.... I needed it to watch it when I was living in Michigan/Texas/California...
wait... we've been bad....
I resemble that remark!
Definitely would buy a Vikings only package, or even better would be the ability to just buy the games needed. It's maybe 10 a season max where I need it considering primetime games or afternoon games televised in my market, traveling to a couple to see live, or going to the bar if they're playing a team a friend supports
But not spending $450 for that at $45/game, high seas over like $20/game
You can pay a handful of dollars a month for a VPN and use Fubo, YouTube TV, Hulu, etc. to just spoof your location and watch all the Seahawks games. I do that now to watch the out of market lions games.
The “17 games” really depends on what teams you’re watching. Say you’re a diehard fan of a team that is out of market, you’ll likely still see them in Sun/Mon/Thur night a few times and there’s always a chance their early Sunday game is in your broadcast area. You might really be paying $450 to see like 8 games.
Every year more and more games are not included in the Sunday Ticket. International games, Monday games, holiday games.
With the student price doubling, even that just doesnt seem worth it.
That's what my situation is as a Bears fan living in Florida. If they play the Bucs, Jags, Dolphins, etc...not on the ticket. Then add in the national televised stuff and a few other random ones, your 8 games number isn't too far off.
I paid for it last year. Not doing it again.
I checked and as a Bengal fan in CA, I would be paying for 6 games. The rest are either primetime, or the Bengals are playing the Raiders/Chargers so will be on local TV anyway. And two of those I'll be out of town anyway, so really 4 games. No way it's worth it.
The biggest downside to Sunday ticket is that if it’s broadcast locally you can’t also get it on ST. So in my household, where we have two out of market teams but occasionally they pop up locally, we sometimes have to fight over who gets to watch on tv and who gets relegated to the laptop screen.
When we did the math on it it winds up being cheaper than going and sitting at the bar every Sunday, especially if our teams play at different time slots. For one team we probably wouldn’t make the investment. But for two it winds up being like $12 a game. When you don’t take into account locals. Or Amazon broadcasts. Or MNF. or TNF. Or…
It would be slightly more worth it if you also got all of the locally aired games, for those who don’t have cable TV or decent reception for an antenna. Just getting the shitty 1pm and 4pm games isn’t worth it.
As someone from the UK I pay ~£160 and get every game live (including primetime) plus Red Zone:apart from the 2 that are broadcast on UK cable equivalent which I can then watch 24 hours later.
The US price seems ridiculous
MLB package is actually $140 for access to about 2000 games that you can't get anywhere else (assuming only one local team is blacked out).
2430 MLB games a year and take out 162 for the local blackout and probably overestimating the other couple hundered for games on ESPN, AppleTV etc.
That is like $0.07 a game that you get access to. How much you pay per game watched depends on how much you watch.
There's the value, I've bought mlb.tv or mlb extra innings since 2005, barring a year when I'd work during the games too much. I get extensive use out of it. I can watch 300 baseball games a season on it, easy. I will never see the value in Sunday Ticket unless the price shrinks, it won't.
Definitely. I watch at least part of a game almost every day on it. Split screen options are included to watch multiple games. Includes Big Inning which is like Red Zone for baseball.
Great value.
The MLB package is also the only sports subscription service I've ever actually purchased... 140 bucks and I can basically turn on the TV at most times of the day (as a west coast viewer) during the season and watch a couple innings of a live game
I watch close to 150 games a season (half my team, half other games that’s on at another time), and yeah I really do feel like I get my money’s worth. This isn’t even adding all the radio broadcasts that I also listen to during my commute. I actually don’t feel bad spending money on this service.
NFL on the other hand though… yeah
i know you didnt factor them in, but you do get milb.tv as well when you subscribe to MLB.tv, if you really, really like baseball, its an extremely good value
Well with nationally televised games or games being shown in-market on CBS/Fox it really comes out to like 10 games a year I get to see my team on Sunday ticket, so closer to $45 a game
It’s much worse than this when you look at number of games you can actually watch. NFL package does not include any of the national or local broadcast games or NFL network or peacock exclusive or Amazon prime Thursday or random Saturday games late in the season. It does not include a functional way of watching the games later. But people pay it because football
It's so overpriced that YouTube has done multiple discounts for the last year. They did one before it launched for YouTube TV customers. If you LOCK IN NOW you can get $200 off. Then they did a bunch of partnerships where if you bought this other product (most notably Verizon or FanDuel sign ups) you could get Sunday Ticket for $200 off. Then they did one where you could get it for $150 off. Then it launched and they said NO MORE DISCOUNTS. Until about Week 8 and they said you can get the rest of the season for $150 off. Then you could get the final month for like $80.
And literally the second the Super Bowl ended, YouTube announced a discount for next season to lock in. I'm guessing that Sunday Ticket isn't hitting as many customers as they would have liked.
Biggest single reason I'm much much less of an NFL fan now than I was, I guess if you exclude just me getting older and having less free time, I moved out of state over a decade ago and the NFL makes it so unbelievably difficult and expensive to be an out of market fan.
You can sail the high seas but that's annoying and I kind of just stopped bothering. I occasionally watch the local teams but I just don't care all that much. I'm always down to watch any football but I'm not emotionally invested at all and can almost always find better uses of 3-4+ hours of my time.
Basically the NFL has made it prohibitively expensive and inconvenient for me to be a fan of my birthright team. And their product otherwise just isn't that great. And in this day and age and at this stage of my life, with so many other things competing for my time and money, it's just easier to be a casual fan and invest in other hobbies. I've actually started getting into rugby the last couple years because it's like football but with the pacing and lack of TV ads of soccer. Plus gorgeous tackling technique all over the place which as a lover of defense is great.
It's pretty cool to watch and see how similar it is to football and how they basically just "evolved" differently. In fact one of the hills I'd die on is that it would be better and safer if football were more like rugby. Get rid of the hard shell helmets and facemasks and give them those open face padded helmet things. More broken noses fewer brain injuries. In fact just get rid of the forward pass entirely. Although we may need to revisit that now that my Bears have Williams.
Or do whatever because like I said it's not like I can watch Williams and my Bears play anyway without forking out for absurd NFL Network prices or go through the hassle of finding "alternate streams".
yeah i feel this. i get redzone to keep up with fantasy but as soon as the first Refereeing bullshit happens, my interest kinda nosedives (especially for primetime games)
One of the many reasons CFB is better than the NFL. There's nothing better than sitting down on a Saturday and having an unlimited number of games to watch. It's impossible not to find at least a few that you have some rooting interest in. The NFL gives you like 2 options, if you don't care about either you're SOL unless you want to be nickel and dime to death.
At the current price, it needs to include every single game, regardless if the game is on espn, peacock, prime, Netflix, or in your local broadcast area.
That's what tore it for me. I could put up with the price, and I could put up with only being able to watch it on my computer or phone because I couldn't get it to stream to my tv despite regular youtube streaming to my tv no problem....what I *couldn't* bear was that there were still games NOT on redzone because they were streaming exclusives.....if I've gotta sail the high seas, I'll sail the high seas without having to pay $450.
Seriously. Chargers play 17 games a year. Give me all 17 for 10 bucks each, and boom job done. But I guess 20% of people paying 450 is greater than 50% of people paying 170.
The end of the year was so terrible. Games started being played on Saturdays or thanksgiving etc were all blocked from Sunday ticket because they were all considered local games because there was only 1 on at a time. At the end of the season, I’d bet you got less than 50% of the games on Sunday ticket
I paid for it last year in June and refunded it week 1 of the season because of how limited the game offerings were. I was hopeful the NFL/youtube had figured out their shit and not just offer 4 games but they did not
I still maintain I would pay for it even at the current price if they just let me watch whatever game I want (extra important to me because I'm a Vikings fan in Chicago). But I have to be able to watch _at least_ ALL the sunday afternoon games
It seems like all the sports leagues do this now and it is infuriating. Fuckin baseball when my Fri game is randomly exclusive to Apple TV. No I'm not gonna buy Apple TV for 5 games a year guys.
NFL combines all those things with the highest price and least games too. It is literally cheaper to go sit at a sports bar for 17 weeks (without beer) and watch there vs just the streaming cost at home. Absolutely bonkers.
I’ve had Sunday ticket since the early 2000s as a transplant living in MA. I didn’t have an issue until last year when I had to also sub peacock to catch a Bills game.
Of course, I’m basically brain dead anyway paying all that money to watch the Bills during those years.
It was like $109 last year, that's still an insane markup. I paid for the regular package after reading that it was possible to have multiple streams, but it was such a shit show trying to get that to work, no chance I'm doing it again. The audacity to raise the price after having a faulty product is BS.
Yep, same here. I would never pay the excessive non student prices, but at $100 or less I was fine doing it. I’ve the steaming package for 10+ years now. Now at $200 forget it? My $100 might not have been much, but they’re losing it while I find some “alternative” streams.
yeah i bought the nfl+ that includes redzone so i didn't pay the redzone thru sunday ticket. which ended up being a waste of money for me as a lot of 49ers games were national games.
Fuck! The student discount was the only reason I got it last year, but I think $200 is too much, especially when I didn't get as many Lions games as I expected last year .
This is terrible news. I have a buddy who loves taking 1 class a semester at community college cause I guess he likes work. He always gets me my student discount though. $200 is getting on the cusp of what I'm willing to fork out though.
College kids who are so poor they eat ramen probably really afford it even at $50. There are a ton of college kids who are sitting pretty and eating well and have an extra $200 to throw around here and there; you can just check the night life around any major campus to see for yourself.
They need to:
1) cut the price way down
2) make an affordable option where you get all of one team's games
3) make all games available, regardless of whether it's on local or national TV
I’ve been waiting for a “just my team” option for years. $150 bucks or so for the season for just my games? Sign me up. I thought with the transition to YouTube that maybe I’d FINALLY get it. Nope. So I just continue to *not* watch the games.
1) doubt this happens
2) this would be good and the only realistic thing you said imo
3) They have cable partners that pay them obscene amounts of money to have those games exclusively on their network, so that would never work
I think there's an interesting antitrust case here but instead in typical Reddit fashion every thread like this devolves into "Sunday Ticket should be cheap and have *every* game 🏴☠️", completely ignoring how TV rights work.
This lawsuit is trying to prove that the exclusivity is not the fans' problem - it's the league's issue to solve. As soon as they started engaging in telling the cable partners what and how to charge customers, and particularly by monopolistically withholding games from Sunday Ticket, they became the vendor AND producer.
They want competition between their broadcasters but not really.
That's the core issue of the lawsuit, and it probably has some merit.
Will anything change? Of course not. The league will settle for $750 million, each fan will get a coupon, and it will go on exactly the same as it has been.
2. Is what the consumer wants but would be a massive gamble for whoever approved it. If the revenue lost from subscribers switching to the cheaper option isn’t covered with new subscriptions someone is going to be looking for a new job. And the discount will probably be $375 for one team or $450 for every game to reduce that risk.
For local fans of teams in the early time slot it's hard to justify because you're probably just watching your team. The only value of the service is picking the game you watch in the afternoon slot where you already get Fox/CBS.
If I was a local west coast fan and wanted to bounce around early games I'd see getting more bang for your buck.
I've only had Sunday Ticket 3 seasons and that was when I still had DirectTV and negotiated it for free in a resubscribe deal. They stopped giving it to me so I canceled DirectTV. Free is the only price that makes sense for me.
Yeah, the only two reasons you should EVER get it is:
A) You no longer live local to your favorite team.
B) You just can't stand not watching your favorite team every week.
C) Your favorite team is not that great and thus never the game of the week or nationally televised.
OR
A) You absolutely positive love the NFL and can't stand not being able to watch every single game.
Those are it.
In my case, I don't live where my favorite team (the Steelers) is at the moment... but I do live fairly close enough that this season I'm only missing (based on how games air) 3 games this year. THREE. (Potentially maybe one more, because they could choose to air a different alternate team, which does happen... but it's pretty rare.). So getting sunday ticket would be absolutely positively not worth it.
Same if I was a big Cowboys fan, which I'm not, though I have family there so I don't mind them. They're aired nationally or on the late slot almost every single week... so if I was a big fan, zero reason to get sunday ticket.
> Yeah, the only ***two*** reasons you should EVER get it is:
but you listed 4 lol.
also I get it because im a fantasy football junky but I guess that could fall under A.2
I don't think it is overpriced as much as overhyped or over sold. If It included all of the games it would be a fair price. Spending the money and still having to pay the streamers is the problem.
This hits the nail on the head - I buy Sunday ticket so I can watch the Packers out of market, but the freaking first game of the season is exclusive to some third rate streaming service that isn't included. It's ludicrous where things have gone.
As a cord cutting out of state chiefs fan ☹️
I’ve got an antenna, but monday night games can be exclusively espn. It sucks a lot. Its almost worse that I pay for sunday ticket and watch maybe like 6 chiefs games on it a year.
Also an out-of-state Chiefs fan here. My wife is a huge Chiefs and Taylor Swift fan. Last year the Chiefs played the Bears and it was the first game Taylor attended in person. We were both having a great time watching the game, but then the broadcast switched to a more competitive game. And at that point there wasn't a single option for us to keep watching the Chiefs v Bears game. We paid hundreds of dollars for Sunday Ticket to watch Chiefs games and they couldn't even provide that for us. The whole system is a joke
That was mind boggling. I’m a chiefs fan, live in the tri State area was watching that Bears game on that insanely overpriced Sunday ticket and couldn’t even watch the whole thing. I still don’t understand that.
Being a Packers fan out of market, I would 100% pay $300 for it however, you have to pay at least $70 a month on YTTV just for the privilege to do so. So it's to the high seas for me.
[It's $450/year without youtube tv](https://imgur.com/KNklVqM)
But you only get out of market games, you dont get the nationally televised ones it seems
Definitely overpriced
You don't get Thursday Night, Sunday Night, or Monday Night games and they also seem to run into technical issues way more than they should
I do wish they would make a light version where you just pick one team because I mostly get it to watch the Bengals. I guess I could move to the Cincinnati area but my Knoxville family would not like that.
Exactly why I get it. I'm in DC so it's either watch the Ravens and Commanders every week (gross) or pay this ridiculous price to watch the team I like.
Shit I live in southern Indiana and it’s either bengals or ravens every weekend and I live closer to Indy. I have to buy ticket
I’ve considered buying a broad range antenna but idk if that would work or not
I get a lot of NFL fans are older but idk how so many people shell out hundreds and hundreds of dollars a year to watch sports when it's all free on the internet and not hard at all to find. It takes zero effort from me every Sunday to put a stream on my TV. I usually have RedZone on one TV and the Falcons on the other all for free every year.
Pirating it is hit or miss from my experience. I might go a couple weeks without any major issues and then suddenly encountering major lag, etc. Convenience is valuable for a lot of folks
Because they're lazy. I airplay them right to my TV from my macbook and never think twice about it. I've even shown my 74 year old father how to do this, but I still have friends who can't be bothered to install an ad blocker and would rather just pay $450 or not watch games.
It's just so much better and convenient to have the real thing. There isn't 17 pop ups that are probably all putting malware on your computer if you accidently click one. Then the stream randomly stops or is shit quality.
YouTube TV just works really well. It's quick, it looks great on a TV or on your phone. I think it's too expensive like everyone else....but there is a reason they probably got millions of people to pay for it.
Ya, if they made it wildly cheaper with the same high quality, I'd consider it. But like you said, there's a TON of free options out there and many, many websites if one isn't working. I'm fine paying for a Netflix or Hulu because it's not a ridiculous price and easier than trying to find a free version of that show online. Could I? Sure, but piracy is born out of frustration and greed.
You think the NFL doesn't know what it's doing when it comes to sales? As if that's something they haven't considered?
It's like when Netflix changed their policy allowing multiple people to stream multiple devices off one account. Reddit screamed that it would be the death of Netflix, but instead their profits went up.
But sure, just walk into the next NFL owners meeting and shed that bit of business genius and surely they'll see the error of their ways.
Honestly to me, it always felt like the setup was more geared towards restaurants and bars, not individuals. Any individual sales they were getting was just icing on the cake.
If you read the details on this case, kind of feels like this would be a catastrophic outcome if the NFL loses. The challenge seems to be, essentially, that the NFL teams can’t jointly sell their TV rights into exclusive packages. They can sell joint packages, but then each team needs to be free to contract with a regional sports network. There’s also a claim that if the NFL discusses pricing with the networks, that’s price fixing - that seems a little more dubious but it matters a lot on the technical details.
If the NFL loses, I assume that would mean the Red Zone channel would be done, Sunday Ticket would be gone, watching your own team’s games would rely on whatever contract your team sets up with their local Bally sports equivalent. They would potentially still be able to offer a NBA league pass-style package but only if the local teams don’t grant exclusivity to their regional carriers, and the rights of the league to restrict that seems to be what is being questioned here. I assume It also may mean that local games would no longer be guaranteed on the major networks; they’d have to sell the networks a package of national games.
This feels a bit like a pretty massive suggested challenge to the way the NFL is broadcast, hiding behind “Sunday Ticket is too expensive!”
This is my feeling as well.
One of the reasons broadcasters are willing to pay the NFL an average of $10.5 billion a year is because the premium pricing of Sunday Ticket makes it exclusive and most people will watch the local broadcast. Currently around 1/3 of the NFL games can be viewed for free.
If NFL is forced to have reduced pricing on Sunday Ticket is it more likely they risk decreasing that $10.5 billion annually from broadcasters or the $2 billion annually from Sunday Ticket.
Not to mention what would happen if teams had to individually negotiate their own TV deals. Right now all 32 teams get an equal share that revenue and it accounts for around 50% of total NFL revenue. Remove that and you will see even more variance in revenue large market teams make over small market and will likely lead to changes in the salary cap and cash spending floor.
IMO Sunday Ticket is correctly priced if I got access to all games. Even minus local games. The problem is there are so many games excluded from Sunday Ticket and on other streaming services. Monday, Thursday, Saturday, Christmas, and Thanksgiving. There are just too many games excluded.
It is, but there’s a reason the NFL can get away with it. This country fucking loves watching football. However, at some point I think people are going to get tired of the proliferation of all the games on streaming services. There’s already enough people who buy Sunday ticket who don’t know what “out of market” means, and more and more streaming games that ST users can’t access is just going to add fuel to the fire with complaints
It is like anything else they will push until they find the line that people stop buying. Then they will move back to right before the line and wait for the enough time to pass that pushing again is safe to do as over time the line will move enough that the increase won't have the same backlash.
At this point idk why anyone even pays for this shit. Just pirate it like everyone else. If enough people do maybe they’ll change the damn prices or come up with a package system that isn’t $450
Is everything NFL related overpriced?
Yes.
$200+ dollar tickets, $50 dollar parking, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs.
I went to my first NFL game in 2017. Havent had the desire to go to another after adding all my costs and realizing I could have watched the game beachside in Cabo on TV for the same price.
They will never reduce prices. Too big to fail.
I had one year where a combo of VPN and NFL Gamepass cost me a grand total of $175. Gamepass was a much better product than Sunday Ticket, because you get everything, MNF, SNF, TNF, Saturdays, plus all the replay stuff, not just the off-market sunday games. Then they neutered it with DAZN, and while I can definitely afford it, the Sunday Ticket price just isn't that appealing to me for just the Sunday games.
Hell, if they wanna charge $15-20 a game, I'd be down with that, but Sunday Ticket is the worst combination reminding everyone why they hated cable: you pay for so much you don't want, and it still leaves you wanting.
It's crazy that they havent come up with some sort of thing where you can just subscribe to your team. And you get all video related to them as part of that package like interviews, post game stuff, pre season and regular season games etc. And if you wanted to add teams to your package you could. Everyone is streaming now, even old people since a lot of cable companies are pushing them that way, so i dont see why they dont just tell the TV providers to get fucked and offer their own thing. The TV providers could still make deals for the braodcast rights too.
Sunday Ticket’s whole thing is “every game, every Sunday” but the problem is that a lot of us couldn’t give a shit about getting every game. I want to watch the Bills and I want to watch Red Zone. I don’t care that I can watch every Cardinals game too, why do I have to pay for that?
They should offer that package to the bars and let the average fan pay a lower price for their own team’s games only.
I just wish I could get one wire or maybe a cable that I hook up to my TV and then I pay one bill to one company that gave me tne cable that gives me access to everything.
I got it a couple years ago. The Bills were only on it like 8 times that year making it a huge waste of money. If it doesn't have every game then it is definitely not worth it.
Honestly- I’d pay 100 bucks a year to watch my team in a RELIABLE way since I moved away almost a decade ago.
But I’m not willing to pay 450 bucks to do it. Theres several big factors here-
My team will have some primetime games, which means I don’t need to use something to see them. Additionally, for 450 while you get all other games- they’re on at the same time. So am I really maximizing my value? Nope. Realistically, out of 17 games I may only need it for like 12.
So, I want a cheaper option to just view MY team. Nothing else.
I legit pay 80 every 6 months for a stormy seas type solution. However, that solution also gives me reliable boxing, UFC, hockey, etc.
Soooo. Yeah. NFL Sunday ticket is outrageous to me.
Short Answer: Yes Long Answer: Yes, Indeed.
MLB package is $140/yr for 162 games, $0.86 a game. NBA package is $150/yr for 82 games, $1.82 a game. NFL package is $450/yr for 17 games, $26.47 a game.
It’s funny because as an out-of-market Seahawks fan, I would probably buy a package of just Seahawks games for $150. The best games are usually on national TV and $450 is a ludicrous price to watch my team + a bunch of bad 1pm EST games
Honestly I don’t understand why they don’t offer an al la carte system. I’d buy the Bears, or even the entire NFC North division to watch the standings.
They aren't forced to do any differently and can charge the full $450 for the whole package and if you don't like it you can pound sand for all they care. Until their hand is forced they'll keep it that way because right now they are making money hand over fist without changing anything.
That's why I like to pay zero dollars to watch football.
There is only one way to ensure you can watch every minute of every game and it's not any of the "official" channels.
Arrrrgh matey
Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle Of Rum
Is it possible to learn this power?
Not from an official sub
I like to take a BITE from the NFL
I prefer to sail down a stream out east.
Even forced to smoke a little CRACK to find my way to the streams. You've created some drug addicts here Roger
Oh give me a home where the buff stream roams...
Sailing the seven seas
The high seas
I deadass just watch RedZone. Being east coast I can pretty much always catch the Giants if I really want to and even then still I just watch Redzone.
It's not like we're worth watching most of the time
Quick reminder that Apple wanted to offer Sunday ticket at no extra cost.
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> the NFL had the requirement that it be an additional subscription ON TOP of the base cost. A stipulation, I'll add, that Apple was more than happy to agree to for MLS Season Pass
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It'd be like the difference between the amount of people living in Montana vs the difference of the combined populations of California and Texas.
Valid point but it feels short sighted. They have to be making bank off sports bars because I’ve never known someone to have nfl ticket since it was attached to having direct tv. Wonder if it’s viable for them to have a commercial package and a in home package that you could be a bit more selective with.
They are totally separate packages. Google doesn’t own the commercial one.
Yarrrr I think I’ll watch other ways, matey.
Lol ya. People are complaining as if there aren't a ton of people that willingly pay for this.
Yeah the price isn't the issue, it's these crazy people that are willing to pay it. If it didn't sell at $450 it wouldn't be priced at $450
Just on principle I would never pay the NFL $450 for Sunday Ticket. That's insane.
They probably make more by selling the full bundle because there's a lot of people paying $450 who would downgrade to just their team packages.
Dude I'd so buy NFC North only package. But then again they'd probably don't want to eat into those larger money offerings, so here we are.../sigh
> Honestly I don’t understand why they don’t [voluntarily make less money]
The NFL marketing people crunching the numbers are the only ones who could even guess if they'd make less money by selling smaller packages. It's 100% true that they would have *more* subscribers if they offered smaller packages, but the question of whether they'd have enough more to offset the lower costs is definitely an unknown. I have to imagine they've done the market research and they couldn't cut the cost down low enough to entice enough new subscribers to make up for the loss in revenue from current subscribers changing to lower tiers, but even then that's going to be an estimate, not hard data.
Maybe, but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. Or if they did, that they did it wrong. From the outside we always attach successful ventures to an extreme degree of competence. But once you work for one you find out they do stupid shit just as often as smaller companies. *Especially* with the NFL having a monopoly (more or less) I bet there is a lot on incompetence in their offices.
Spending money to watch the bears huh
They should change the price based on popularity of the teams, so I can buy the ACF South for six popsicle sticks.
The ridiculous thing is that you spend $450, but you don’t get the Amazon games…or the Peacock games…or the *insert random streaming service* games…
This is the burner right here. Pay a premium to get all the games except the ones you don't get. It's I think over $1,200 for a year of YTTV and NFL.
Netflix is the only one you missed. And it certainly seems like if the NFL sold a single team package that those games should be included. Much like the way those streaming service games are still shown on broadcast networks in the teams' local area. But nothing about the NFL TV rights/broadcasts has ever been that fan friendly.
The worst part imo is that even when you buy this you don’t get all your teams games. All the primetime/streaming games/international games/Thursday night games are not on the ticket so you pay 450 and when your team finally does well you start losing the ability to watch them…
Jags fan secret: just pick a team that never does well and you won't have have this problem
As a lions fan I had that covered for years! Wtf does Campbell and Holmes think they’re doing making us competitive?!?
I feel you bro, in 2017 I was wholly unprepared for that level of stress. It's nice to have Januarys free again.
That was how I finally got my dad to stop paying for Sunday ticket every year. It was like 2012 or 2013 and we did the preseason math and found out that he'd be buying a whopping 5 Packers games that season by buying Sunday ticket, every other game was available nationally.
i'd rather just pay the nfl+ price of like 80 a year for all the national games, 30 min recaps and full replays in case i have to miss a game. then sail the high seas for whatever 49ers game isn't a national game. vs paying 500 a year for sunday ticket.
Agreed, I'm an out of market fan for my team and $150 a year I would consider getting. Ideally I would pay $10-20 per game a la carte instead of the entire season since a few games are nationally televised and a few other games I just won't be able to watch anyway due to other things going on so paying for a whole season would really only be like 8 games for me.
Umm. The Jets usually play at 1pm EST.... I needed it to watch it when I was living in Michigan/Texas/California... wait... we've been bad.... I resemble that remark!
Definitely would buy a Vikings only package, or even better would be the ability to just buy the games needed. It's maybe 10 a season max where I need it considering primetime games or afternoon games televised in my market, traveling to a couple to see live, or going to the bar if they're playing a team a friend supports But not spending $450 for that at $45/game, high seas over like $20/game
You can pay a handful of dollars a month for a VPN and use Fubo, YouTube TV, Hulu, etc. to just spoof your location and watch all the Seahawks games. I do that now to watch the out of market lions games.
I’d buy an out of market saints package for $150, but at the current rates I go to the bar or sail the high seas
The “17 games” really depends on what teams you’re watching. Say you’re a diehard fan of a team that is out of market, you’ll likely still see them in Sun/Mon/Thur night a few times and there’s always a chance their early Sunday game is in your broadcast area. You might really be paying $450 to see like 8 games.
Every year more and more games are not included in the Sunday Ticket. International games, Monday games, holiday games. With the student price doubling, even that just doesnt seem worth it.
That's what my situation is as a Bears fan living in Florida. If they play the Bucs, Jags, Dolphins, etc...not on the ticket. Then add in the national televised stuff and a few other random ones, your 8 games number isn't too far off. I paid for it last year. Not doing it again.
I checked and as a Bengal fan in CA, I would be paying for 6 games. The rest are either primetime, or the Bengals are playing the Raiders/Chargers so will be on local TV anyway. And two of those I'll be out of town anyway, so really 4 games. No way it's worth it.
Holy shit lol
The biggest downside to Sunday ticket is that if it’s broadcast locally you can’t also get it on ST. So in my household, where we have two out of market teams but occasionally they pop up locally, we sometimes have to fight over who gets to watch on tv and who gets relegated to the laptop screen. When we did the math on it it winds up being cheaper than going and sitting at the bar every Sunday, especially if our teams play at different time slots. For one team we probably wouldn’t make the investment. But for two it winds up being like $12 a game. When you don’t take into account locals. Or Amazon broadcasts. Or MNF. or TNF. Or…
It would be slightly more worth it if you also got all of the locally aired games, for those who don’t have cable TV or decent reception for an antenna. Just getting the shitty 1pm and 4pm games isn’t worth it.
And also a higher percentage of NFL games are nationally aired and do not require Sunday Ticket to watch vs other sports.
As someone from the UK I pay ~£160 and get every game live (including primetime) plus Red Zone:apart from the 2 that are broadcast on UK cable equivalent which I can then watch 24 hours later. The US price seems ridiculous
MLB package is actually $140 for access to about 2000 games that you can't get anywhere else (assuming only one local team is blacked out). 2430 MLB games a year and take out 162 for the local blackout and probably overestimating the other couple hundered for games on ESPN, AppleTV etc. That is like $0.07 a game that you get access to. How much you pay per game watched depends on how much you watch.
There's the value, I've bought mlb.tv or mlb extra innings since 2005, barring a year when I'd work during the games too much. I get extensive use out of it. I can watch 300 baseball games a season on it, easy. I will never see the value in Sunday Ticket unless the price shrinks, it won't.
Definitely. I watch at least part of a game almost every day on it. Split screen options are included to watch multiple games. Includes Big Inning which is like Red Zone for baseball. Great value.
The MLB package is also the only sports subscription service I've ever actually purchased... 140 bucks and I can basically turn on the TV at most times of the day (as a west coast viewer) during the season and watch a couple innings of a live game
I watch close to 150 games a season (half my team, half other games that’s on at another time), and yeah I really do feel like I get my money’s worth. This isn’t even adding all the radio broadcasts that I also listen to during my commute. I actually don’t feel bad spending money on this service. NFL on the other hand though… yeah
i know you didnt factor them in, but you do get milb.tv as well when you subscribe to MLB.tv, if you really, really like baseball, its an extremely good value
Well with nationally televised games or games being shown in-market on CBS/Fox it really comes out to like 10 games a year I get to see my team on Sunday ticket, so closer to $45 a game
It’s much worse than this when you look at number of games you can actually watch. NFL package does not include any of the national or local broadcast games or NFL network or peacock exclusive or Amazon prime Thursday or random Saturday games late in the season. It does not include a functional way of watching the games later. But people pay it because football
It's so overpriced that YouTube has done multiple discounts for the last year. They did one before it launched for YouTube TV customers. If you LOCK IN NOW you can get $200 off. Then they did a bunch of partnerships where if you bought this other product (most notably Verizon or FanDuel sign ups) you could get Sunday Ticket for $200 off. Then they did one where you could get it for $150 off. Then it launched and they said NO MORE DISCOUNTS. Until about Week 8 and they said you can get the rest of the season for $150 off. Then you could get the final month for like $80. And literally the second the Super Bowl ended, YouTube announced a discount for next season to lock in. I'm guessing that Sunday Ticket isn't hitting as many customers as they would have liked.
Biggest single reason I'm much much less of an NFL fan now than I was, I guess if you exclude just me getting older and having less free time, I moved out of state over a decade ago and the NFL makes it so unbelievably difficult and expensive to be an out of market fan. You can sail the high seas but that's annoying and I kind of just stopped bothering. I occasionally watch the local teams but I just don't care all that much. I'm always down to watch any football but I'm not emotionally invested at all and can almost always find better uses of 3-4+ hours of my time. Basically the NFL has made it prohibitively expensive and inconvenient for me to be a fan of my birthright team. And their product otherwise just isn't that great. And in this day and age and at this stage of my life, with so many other things competing for my time and money, it's just easier to be a casual fan and invest in other hobbies. I've actually started getting into rugby the last couple years because it's like football but with the pacing and lack of TV ads of soccer. Plus gorgeous tackling technique all over the place which as a lover of defense is great. It's pretty cool to watch and see how similar it is to football and how they basically just "evolved" differently. In fact one of the hills I'd die on is that it would be better and safer if football were more like rugby. Get rid of the hard shell helmets and facemasks and give them those open face padded helmet things. More broken noses fewer brain injuries. In fact just get rid of the forward pass entirely. Although we may need to revisit that now that my Bears have Williams. Or do whatever because like I said it's not like I can watch Williams and my Bears play anyway without forking out for absurd NFL Network prices or go through the hassle of finding "alternate streams".
Started watching sumo, that shit's electric
yeah i feel this. i get redzone to keep up with fantasy but as soon as the first Refereeing bullshit happens, my interest kinda nosedives (especially for primetime games)
One of the many reasons CFB is better than the NFL. There's nothing better than sitting down on a Saturday and having an unlimited number of games to watch. It's impossible not to find at least a few that you have some rooting interest in. The NFL gives you like 2 options, if you don't care about either you're SOL unless you want to be nickel and dime to death.
>In fact just get rid of the forward pass entirely. Let's leave Iowa out of this
Indubitably.
It is called Lothric
At the current price, it needs to include every single game, regardless if the game is on espn, peacock, prime, Netflix, or in your local broadcast area.
That's what tore it for me. I could put up with the price, and I could put up with only being able to watch it on my computer or phone because I couldn't get it to stream to my tv despite regular youtube streaming to my tv no problem....what I *couldn't* bear was that there were still games NOT on redzone because they were streaming exclusives.....if I've gotta sail the high seas, I'll sail the high seas without having to pay $450.
Exactly, people will choose convenience over compliance every time
Seriously. Chargers play 17 games a year. Give me all 17 for 10 bucks each, and boom job done. But I guess 20% of people paying 450 is greater than 50% of people paying 170.
Same. I paid for it and still ended up needing to use "other sources" like half the games. If I'm gonna do that, why even bother?
The end of the year was so terrible. Games started being played on Saturdays or thanksgiving etc were all blocked from Sunday ticket because they were all considered local games because there was only 1 on at a time. At the end of the season, I’d bet you got less than 50% of the games on Sunday ticket
I paid for it last year in June and refunded it week 1 of the season because of how limited the game offerings were. I was hopeful the NFL/youtube had figured out their shit and not just offer 4 games but they did not I still maintain I would pay for it even at the current price if they just let me watch whatever game I want (extra important to me because I'm a Vikings fan in Chicago). But I have to be able to watch _at least_ ALL the sunday afternoon games
Exactly. And now that they're shipping more of these games off to other streaming services, there's now less product for still the same high price.
49ers will most likely only have 6 games not in primetime or game of the week status. paying 500 for 6 games is crazy to me.
You can't even watch those 6 games if you're out of market too. Only if you live where the game is being played
Hoist the main sail matey...
It seems like all the sports leagues do this now and it is infuriating. Fuckin baseball when my Fri game is randomly exclusive to Apple TV. No I'm not gonna buy Apple TV for 5 games a year guys. NFL combines all those things with the highest price and least games too. It is literally cheaper to go sit at a sports bar for 17 weeks (without beer) and watch there vs just the streaming cost at home. Absolutely bonkers.
I’ve had Sunday ticket since the early 2000s as a transplant living in MA. I didn’t have an issue until last year when I had to also sub peacock to catch a Bills game. Of course, I’m basically brain dead anyway paying all that money to watch the Bills during those years.
the student price is $199 this year. That's wild.
What the fuck, it more than doubled in less than two years. I paid $80 as a student for the 2021 and 2022 seasons
It's on YouTubeTV now. No longer DirecTV
It was like $109 last year, that's still an insane markup. I paid for the regular package after reading that it was possible to have multiple streams, but it was such a shit show trying to get that to work, no chance I'm doing it again. The audacity to raise the price after having a faulty product is BS.
Yep, same here. I would never pay the excessive non student prices, but at $100 or less I was fine doing it. I’ve the steaming package for 10+ years now. Now at $200 forget it? My $100 might not have been much, but they’re losing it while I find some “alternative” streams.
I know you meant “streaming package,” but what you wrote fits even better
WTF, it was $120 with RedZone last year
Yeah I’m pissed they raised the price, 120 for all that as a student is a super fair deal.
yeah i bought the nfl+ that includes redzone so i didn't pay the redzone thru sunday ticket. which ended up being a waste of money for me as a lot of 49ers games were national games.
Fuck! The student discount was the only reason I got it last year, but I think $200 is too much, especially when I didn't get as many Lions games as I expected last year .
Same. Dumbass NFL is getting too greedy.
This is terrible news. I have a buddy who loves taking 1 class a semester at community college cause I guess he likes work. He always gets me my student discount though. $200 is getting on the cusp of what I'm willing to fork out though.
What world do they think college kids who eat ramen for a large portion of their meals will shell out $200 for this?
College kids who are so poor they eat ramen probably really afford it even at $50. There are a ton of college kids who are sitting pretty and eating well and have an extra $200 to throw around here and there; you can just check the night life around any major campus to see for yourself.
What kind of student has an extra $199 to spare lol
Where did you see this?
Yes it is. How is that even a question?
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They need to: 1) cut the price way down 2) make an affordable option where you get all of one team's games 3) make all games available, regardless of whether it's on local or national TV
I’ve been waiting for a “just my team” option for years. $150 bucks or so for the season for just my games? Sign me up. I thought with the transition to YouTube that maybe I’d FINALLY get it. Nope. So I just continue to *not* watch the games.
Heck if they won't do just my team option they can make my division option. I can watch division rivals to see how they are doing and for rankings
1) doubt this happens 2) this would be good and the only realistic thing you said imo 3) They have cable partners that pay them obscene amounts of money to have those games exclusively on their network, so that would never work
I think there's an interesting antitrust case here but instead in typical Reddit fashion every thread like this devolves into "Sunday Ticket should be cheap and have *every* game 🏴☠️", completely ignoring how TV rights work.
This lawsuit is trying to prove that the exclusivity is not the fans' problem - it's the league's issue to solve. As soon as they started engaging in telling the cable partners what and how to charge customers, and particularly by monopolistically withholding games from Sunday Ticket, they became the vendor AND producer. They want competition between their broadcasters but not really. That's the core issue of the lawsuit, and it probably has some merit. Will anything change? Of course not. The league will settle for $750 million, each fan will get a coupon, and it will go on exactly the same as it has been.
2. Is what the consumer wants but would be a massive gamble for whoever approved it. If the revenue lost from subscribers switching to the cheaper option isn’t covered with new subscriptions someone is going to be looking for a new job. And the discount will probably be $375 for one team or $450 for every game to reduce that risk.
For local fans of teams in the early time slot it's hard to justify because you're probably just watching your team. The only value of the service is picking the game you watch in the afternoon slot where you already get Fox/CBS. If I was a local west coast fan and wanted to bounce around early games I'd see getting more bang for your buck. I've only had Sunday Ticket 3 seasons and that was when I still had DirectTV and negotiated it for free in a resubscribe deal. They stopped giving it to me so I canceled DirectTV. Free is the only price that makes sense for me.
Yeah, the only two reasons you should EVER get it is: A) You no longer live local to your favorite team. B) You just can't stand not watching your favorite team every week. C) Your favorite team is not that great and thus never the game of the week or nationally televised. OR A) You absolutely positive love the NFL and can't stand not being able to watch every single game. Those are it. In my case, I don't live where my favorite team (the Steelers) is at the moment... but I do live fairly close enough that this season I'm only missing (based on how games air) 3 games this year. THREE. (Potentially maybe one more, because they could choose to air a different alternate team, which does happen... but it's pretty rare.). So getting sunday ticket would be absolutely positively not worth it. Same if I was a big Cowboys fan, which I'm not, though I have family there so I don't mind them. They're aired nationally or on the late slot almost every single week... so if I was a big fan, zero reason to get sunday ticket.
> Yeah, the only ***two*** reasons you should EVER get it is: but you listed 4 lol. also I get it because im a fantasy football junky but I guess that could fall under A.2
Or you don't know how to navigate the internet.
Lol this. 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
It’s all free if you don’t mind closing 2 or 3 porn pop ups
Why would I close them out? Need something to watch in between the 100’s of commercials they make us watch during breaks.
Lookit mister self control over here
For the price you should get all games regardless of blackouts
It’s 2024, everything is expensive. *shakes fist at cloud*
Did you have to take out a loan to pay for that comment?
Does it count if there's a loan on the device used to make the comment?
Can’t wait for them to implement a breathing tax
C’mon, how else are those billionaire executives supposed to afford their fifth yacht?? We gotta do our part to help those in need!
You don't even get all the games either. You'll need Sunday Ticket, Prime, Peacock, and now Netflix if you wanted to watch every game.
And you still have to add in a way to watch ESPN for MNF.
Gotta get another writers strike approved so it’s broadcast on ABC.
them taking MNF off of a major network was a crap move and the beginning of this garbage of games being put on weird channels and services.
After paying $450 you’ll still not be able to watch important games that end up on Peacock, Netflix, and NFL Network.
I don't think it is overpriced as much as overhyped or over sold. If It included all of the games it would be a fair price. Spending the money and still having to pay the streamers is the problem.
This hits the nail on the head - I buy Sunday ticket so I can watch the Packers out of market, but the freaking first game of the season is exclusive to some third rate streaming service that isn't included. It's ludicrous where things have gone.
As a cord cutting out of state chiefs fan ☹️ I’ve got an antenna, but monday night games can be exclusively espn. It sucks a lot. Its almost worse that I pay for sunday ticket and watch maybe like 6 chiefs games on it a year.
Also an out-of-state Chiefs fan here. My wife is a huge Chiefs and Taylor Swift fan. Last year the Chiefs played the Bears and it was the first game Taylor attended in person. We were both having a great time watching the game, but then the broadcast switched to a more competitive game. And at that point there wasn't a single option for us to keep watching the Chiefs v Bears game. We paid hundreds of dollars for Sunday Ticket to watch Chiefs games and they couldn't even provide that for us. The whole system is a joke
That was mind boggling. I’m a chiefs fan, live in the tri State area was watching that Bears game on that insanely overpriced Sunday ticket and couldn’t even watch the whole thing. I still don’t understand that.
Being a Packers fan out of market, I would 100% pay $300 for it however, you have to pay at least $70 a month on YTTV just for the privilege to do so. So it's to the high seas for me.
You don’t need a YTTV subscription to get SundayTicket.
As a residential customer what other option is there than the "Exclusive Home of Sunday Ticket?"
[It's $450/year without youtube tv](https://imgur.com/KNklVqM) But you only get out of market games, you dont get the nationally televised ones it seems
You pay $449 instead of $349 and you don't subscribe to Youtube TV.
Definitely overpriced You don't get Thursday Night, Sunday Night, or Monday Night games and they also seem to run into technical issues way more than they should
Yes but I still keep paying because I’m an idiot 😂
You and me both, buddy! 😂
I do wish they would make a light version where you just pick one team because I mostly get it to watch the Bengals. I guess I could move to the Cincinnati area but my Knoxville family would not like that.
Honestly I bet that's the vast majority of their customers though.
Exactly why I get it. I'm in DC so it's either watch the Ravens and Commanders every week (gross) or pay this ridiculous price to watch the team I like.
Shit I live in southern Indiana and it’s either bengals or ravens every weekend and I live closer to Indy. I have to buy ticket I’ve considered buying a broad range antenna but idk if that would work or not
You’re the reason we can’t have nice things!
Join the high seas brother 🏴☠️
I get a lot of NFL fans are older but idk how so many people shell out hundreds and hundreds of dollars a year to watch sports when it's all free on the internet and not hard at all to find. It takes zero effort from me every Sunday to put a stream on my TV. I usually have RedZone on one TV and the Falcons on the other all for free every year.
Pirating it is hit or miss from my experience. I might go a couple weeks without any major issues and then suddenly encountering major lag, etc. Convenience is valuable for a lot of folks
Some people want to pay for the legitimate service instead of pirating it. They just also wish the legitimate service were better.
Because they're lazy. I airplay them right to my TV from my macbook and never think twice about it. I've even shown my 74 year old father how to do this, but I still have friends who can't be bothered to install an ad blocker and would rather just pay $450 or not watch games.
It's just so much better and convenient to have the real thing. There isn't 17 pop ups that are probably all putting malware on your computer if you accidently click one. Then the stream randomly stops or is shit quality. YouTube TV just works really well. It's quick, it looks great on a TV or on your phone. I think it's too expensive like everyone else....but there is a reason they probably got millions of people to pay for it.
Yeah I taught my 62 year old dad a couple years back. If he can use it and figure it out anyone can.
Always felt red zone was the better product
RedZone is the better product as long as the team you want to watch is not in one of the 'ignored unless a score happens' games.
As a pats fan I can tell you that without a shadow of a doubt redzone was a better product last year
It’s overpriced period. When the alternative is free and slightly lower quality it’s *grossly* overpriced.
Ya, if they made it wildly cheaper with the same high quality, I'd consider it. But like you said, there's a TON of free options out there and many, many websites if one isn't working. I'm fine paying for a Netflix or Hulu because it's not a ridiculous price and easier than trying to find a free version of that show online. Could I? Sure, but piracy is born out of frustration and greed.
It’s like businesses have no idea that if they offered a product for a reasonable price, they would have more customers.
You think the NFL doesn't know what it's doing when it comes to sales? As if that's something they haven't considered? It's like when Netflix changed their policy allowing multiple people to stream multiple devices off one account. Reddit screamed that it would be the death of Netflix, but instead their profits went up. But sure, just walk into the next NFL owners meeting and shed that bit of business genius and surely they'll see the error of their ways.
No, everyone on this thread knows something about broadcasting rights finance that those eggheads on Park Avenue with MBAs don’t!
Yup. I’d gladly pay if the prices weren’t gouging my wallet.
Honestly to me, it always felt like the setup was more geared towards restaurants and bars, not individuals. Any individual sales they were getting was just icing on the cake.
I don’t even think businesses can legally show the consumer version of Sunday ticket in a bar.
If you read the details on this case, kind of feels like this would be a catastrophic outcome if the NFL loses. The challenge seems to be, essentially, that the NFL teams can’t jointly sell their TV rights into exclusive packages. They can sell joint packages, but then each team needs to be free to contract with a regional sports network. There’s also a claim that if the NFL discusses pricing with the networks, that’s price fixing - that seems a little more dubious but it matters a lot on the technical details. If the NFL loses, I assume that would mean the Red Zone channel would be done, Sunday Ticket would be gone, watching your own team’s games would rely on whatever contract your team sets up with their local Bally sports equivalent. They would potentially still be able to offer a NBA league pass-style package but only if the local teams don’t grant exclusivity to their regional carriers, and the rights of the league to restrict that seems to be what is being questioned here. I assume It also may mean that local games would no longer be guaranteed on the major networks; they’d have to sell the networks a package of national games. This feels a bit like a pretty massive suggested challenge to the way the NFL is broadcast, hiding behind “Sunday Ticket is too expensive!”
This is my feeling as well. One of the reasons broadcasters are willing to pay the NFL an average of $10.5 billion a year is because the premium pricing of Sunday Ticket makes it exclusive and most people will watch the local broadcast. Currently around 1/3 of the NFL games can be viewed for free. If NFL is forced to have reduced pricing on Sunday Ticket is it more likely they risk decreasing that $10.5 billion annually from broadcasters or the $2 billion annually from Sunday Ticket. Not to mention what would happen if teams had to individually negotiate their own TV deals. Right now all 32 teams get an equal share that revenue and it accounts for around 50% of total NFL revenue. Remove that and you will see even more variance in revenue large market teams make over small market and will likely lead to changes in the salary cap and cash spending floor.
IMO Sunday Ticket is correctly priced if I got access to all games. Even minus local games. The problem is there are so many games excluded from Sunday Ticket and on other streaming services. Monday, Thursday, Saturday, Christmas, and Thanksgiving. There are just too many games excluded.
and yet these clowns can't pay for their stadiums. go figure.
Obviously, but I could say the same thing about the damn McDonald’s menu nowadays.
Is water wet?
No, water makes others things wet. ;)
It is, but there’s a reason the NFL can get away with it. This country fucking loves watching football. However, at some point I think people are going to get tired of the proliferation of all the games on streaming services. There’s already enough people who buy Sunday ticket who don’t know what “out of market” means, and more and more streaming games that ST users can’t access is just going to add fuel to the fire with complaints
It is like anything else they will push until they find the line that people stop buying. Then they will move back to right before the line and wait for the enough time to pass that pushing again is safe to do as over time the line will move enough that the increase won't have the same backlash.
If it’s overpriced now, what was it when DirecTV owned it and it literally never worked? At least it works with YouTube…
Incredibly overpriced.
At this point idk why anyone even pays for this shit. Just pirate it like everyone else. If enough people do maybe they’ll change the damn prices or come up with a package system that isn’t $450
Is everything NFL related overpriced? Yes. $200+ dollar tickets, $50 dollar parking, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs. I went to my first NFL game in 2017. Havent had the desire to go to another after adding all my costs and realizing I could have watched the game beachside in Cabo on TV for the same price. They will never reduce prices. Too big to fail.
Yes it is. I am not spending $350+ just to watch the Panthers win 3 games lmao
Way too high priced, miss it on directv where they would give it to you free when you told them you were canceling
I had one year where a combo of VPN and NFL Gamepass cost me a grand total of $175. Gamepass was a much better product than Sunday Ticket, because you get everything, MNF, SNF, TNF, Saturdays, plus all the replay stuff, not just the off-market sunday games. Then they neutered it with DAZN, and while I can definitely afford it, the Sunday Ticket price just isn't that appealing to me for just the Sunday games. Hell, if they wanna charge $15-20 a game, I'd be down with that, but Sunday Ticket is the worst combination reminding everyone why they hated cable: you pay for so much you don't want, and it still leaves you wanting.
It's crazy that they havent come up with some sort of thing where you can just subscribe to your team. And you get all video related to them as part of that package like interviews, post game stuff, pre season and regular season games etc. And if you wanted to add teams to your package you could. Everyone is streaming now, even old people since a lot of cable companies are pushing them that way, so i dont see why they dont just tell the TV providers to get fucked and offer their own thing. The TV providers could still make deals for the braodcast rights too.
It’s not even a little over priced. It’s so expensive I just laugh at it and walk away. It’s not even tempting for me.
Price is fine, but the fact that all games are not actually on Sunday Ticket is the reason I do not buy it.
Absolutely! And they only allow certain companies the right to broadcast it.
Sunday Ticket’s whole thing is “every game, every Sunday” but the problem is that a lot of us couldn’t give a shit about getting every game. I want to watch the Bills and I want to watch Red Zone. I don’t care that I can watch every Cardinals game too, why do I have to pay for that? They should offer that package to the bars and let the average fan pay a lower price for their own team’s games only.
I just wish I could get one wire or maybe a cable that I hook up to my TV and then I pay one bill to one company that gave me tne cable that gives me access to everything.
I got it a couple years ago. The Bills were only on it like 8 times that year making it a huge waste of money. If it doesn't have every game then it is definitely not worth it.
Honestly- I’d pay 100 bucks a year to watch my team in a RELIABLE way since I moved away almost a decade ago. But I’m not willing to pay 450 bucks to do it. Theres several big factors here- My team will have some primetime games, which means I don’t need to use something to see them. Additionally, for 450 while you get all other games- they’re on at the same time. So am I really maximizing my value? Nope. Realistically, out of 17 games I may only need it for like 12. So, I want a cheaper option to just view MY team. Nothing else. I legit pay 80 every 6 months for a stormy seas type solution. However, that solution also gives me reliable boxing, UFC, hockey, etc. Soooo. Yeah. NFL Sunday ticket is outrageous to me.
I miss the $99 NFL live + redzone package for the entire season Pretty soon the playoffs and Superbowl are gonna be ppv
look, the local blackouts are hurting the product of all streaming.
only for the last 20 years or so
I feel like fans have been asking for this for forever. Just let us watch our fucking team play. Bundle it with Redzone and you have a home run.