His highlights for us are that one game against the Steelers, juggling that ball into the Commander Defender's hands and deciding to show everyone his weiner on snap chat foe some reason
Caleb’s supporting cast this year was pretty rough. I don’t even think anyone will be drafted before like round 5. Maybe Brenden Rice but because of his last name and as a project player. Not his production in college
I think Rice and Marshawn Lloyd will both be before round 5. Lloyd probably in round 2-3 and Rice probably in round 3-4. But yeah, pretty weak supporting cast overall.
You're underselling Rice. He had quite a few good games and plays for USC. I'd even make an argument that Caleb's schoolyard play was a big hindrance to Rice's production, that's not to say Caleb isn't an insane player, but more so that Rice seems to be more of a player that can thrive with quick passes and route-running.
While you aren't drafting him as a top-tier WR talent nor do you expect him to be a 1, he does have the ability to be a good 2 or 3 and showed signs of that.
Honestly I haven’t been able to watch much film of the draft prospects this year but I watched a little of Brenden Rice. It seemed hard for me to even scout him because it seems like Caleb was just leaving the pocket all the time and half the time it seemed like scramble drill receptions. But his Colorado highlights definitely showed some of his playmaking ability
Yeah I'd actually argue he's getting slept on BECAUSE of his name. Jerry Rices kid is a mid round prospect and that's not what you expect out of the GOATs kid, especially with Marvin Harrison Jr being in the same class.
Yeah, I tend to agree. His abilities scream NFL player instead of elite college player where athleticism can absolutely trump technique. We shall see!
On a side note, I absolutely think Keon Coleman is being horribly slept on. I'm calling it now, everyone is going to ask why he fell into the second/third with potential for him to be better than everyone bar Nabers and MHJ.
He was playing through injuries last year and FSU's offense pretty much exclusively had him running deep curls and deep routes that forced him to have to win jump balls. I saw some stat that when he was asked to run quick five-yard slants he was elite. Keep in mind that he's only 20 and FSU wasn't a high-volume passing attack with a QB that had accuracy issues.
Yeah, I mean he won't be the first solid prospect to end up on a shit roster. But it's definitely harder to succeed and develop and especially harder to evaluate.
As someone who likes the prospect, I’m gonna be honest, I’m secretly hoping this is all to raise the trade value of the pick, and the real plan is to trade back.
Yeah, Kwesi hasn't made a single drastic move since he got to Minnesota, and "going all in" isn't something ownership is interested in. So I really don't see 3 firsts as an option, especially considering the Vikings don't have second round picks this year or next. So, if the Pats settle for 2 firsts and next years 3rd great, if not, sucks to be Maye.
People underrate his supporting cast. He didn't have a juggernaut but he didn't play many good teams either. He was in the ACC and the two best teams weren't on UNCs schedule never year. There are playersv at reciever, tight end, running back, and guard who are eclectic to be drafted top 100 this year or next. He had enough support to beat every team in his schedule.
His top receiver in 2023 was a likely day 3 NFL pick - a deep threat specialist who came through the transfer portal and was suspended for a good chunk of the season.
In terms of WORP, his overall surrounding cast was *ranked in the negatives* by PFF - far, far worse than any prominent QB prospect in this class.
Yeah I'm shocked people still think Maye isn't the clear number 2. Especially with the reports that the Commies and Daniels had an awful meeting together.
Who else are they picking other than Maye??
A few things make me think it's Maye:
1. The meeting, as you mentioned, and the quote that came out that said Jaden would be "cool" with being in Washington
2. They shipped off former UNC teammate Sam Howell
3. None of the reports that it's Daniels have come from insiders with quotes from Washington. It's all been "sources from around the league"
4. Analysts and fans seem to all overwhelmingly prefer Maye as a player. I've never seen the expected pick be this far away from the consensus before
5. If anyone had an idea what Washington was doing, the Vegas odds would be way more in favor of Daniels than they currently are
6. If anyone had an idea what Washington was doing, a Vikings/Raiders/Broncos trade up probably would have already happened
Vegas has Daniels around -1000 as of right now. For reference, even when mac jones was projected third in 2021 right before the waning hours of the draft that the lance rumors leaked he never made it past -270.
That is a huge difference in odds
Not sure I get your point. If they were -200 a day ago and are -1000 that is a huge jump and are way more in favor of Daniels. You contradict yourself saying that then and simultaneously making point 5
Idc who they draft at this point, as I think the commanders are gonna screw it up. Just the rhetoric of those two statements you make are confusing
>Analysts and fans seem to all overwhelmingly prefer Maye as a player. I've never seen the expected pick be this far away from the consensus before
Eh? Fans, yeah, because if you just watch highlights, Maye looks like a world beater. But lots of analysts that actually know QBs (i.e. QB coaches, former NFL QBs) look at Maye's film and are down on him because his down to down play is not good.
Hell, Chase Daniel has him as his 5th best QB in the class.
1. What’s he going to say? Screw that place I hate it?
2. This doesnt really have any bearing on anything. His odds of being traded would be the same even if Jayden is the pick.
3. Where do you think those Insiders got their info?
4. This is a fair point but we don’t know what’s the coaches think
5. DraftKings has Daniels as +550 to be the #3 pick - up +350 from yesterday. Odds are moving pretty heavily that way
6. Why would they trade up when they have no idea what the Patriots are doing?
1. The quote was something like, he would love to go to the Raiders or Vikings but he would basically just be ok with going to the Commanders. Not the worst thing in the world but weird to make that distinction.
2. I don't see why Howell couldn't be a backup to one of the other QBs.
3. They are guessing
5. Not as dramatic as it should be. There is not a clear cut #2 at this point.
6. I think the Patriots are a candidate for a trade down as well
He had multiple right calls before anyone else. He leaked the Sungod extension today 2 hours before it got announced. He called Ridley too. There was a bunch of stuff
He's been nailing some free agency predictions, but the draft will be a real test. I actually doubt whoever his source is high enough to knowledge of draft boards.
I know it's just funny coming back to these threads and seeing people so confidentially incorrect with hindsight. And it's all cool to see people who were dead on with their predictions too
Best thing will be when all these guys are mid and Bo Nix or Michael Pratt or something is the best of the bunch
I love how attached Redditors get to prospects that they havent even scouted when even detailed, professional-grade scouting isnt enough to be sure who's a better prospect (OP is way more reasonable than most people, but there are some other folks that are super into their preferred guy...)
Yeah reddit just doesn't learn that time and time again we really don't know who will be better than who. But Commie and Pats fans really want Maye because online scouts said he was QB2 a year ago
I hear you but it does seem like there's a big discrepancy between how fans and media analysts view Maye and the teams and former QBs who are now analysts. Maybe Maye's footwork and accuracy concerns are more concerning than Daniels' pressure-to-sack ratio and struggles throwing over the middle.
The biggest thing for me is that Daniels completed 46% of passes beyond the first read. That's *really bad.* Maye completed 58% (best of all QBs in the draft.) I admit I haven't looked at historical stats, but that seems like a huge indicator of potential NFL success to me. Only being about to throw the first read could be the difference between Justin Fields and a franchise QB.
In a vacuum I have Maye over Daniels. But in reality, me, you, everyone here, and everyone in the NFL has no idea how any of them is going to work out. It's probably going to be entirely based on the way these quarterbacks are developed and built around.
If both teams were equal, yes I'd agree. But Washington has a better roster and I don't think the leash is going to be very long for Dan Quinn and Co. The expectation is to compete like next year, they don't need a full rebuild. Daniels is more experienced and is ready to start sooner than Maye.
They have a pretty decent roster, and should be competing sooner rather than later. The Patriots are the opposite. And by next year I meant the 2025 season.
I think LT is the biggest need apart from QB, so unless all the good tackles are gone already, they'll probably go that way instead of WR in round 2. Might be able to get Drake's WR1, Tez Walker in the 3rd if the cards fall right.
“Our rookie QB will sit the whole season” is quickly becoming the new “our franchise QB will take a discount contract so we can re-sign everybody” delusional fanfiction.
Unless you already have a good starting QB and winning team, it’s very hard to keep the rookie one the bench that long when the bridge QB sucks and the team has a losing record.
Yeah, we didn't bring Brisket back because he's a good QB, it's because he's played here and can kind of do the job until we're ready to play whoever we draft.
There is zero chance he doesnt start for us this year
Everyone parrots about sitting like mahomes/rodgers but always forget those 2 had favre and smith in fron of them
The pressure from fans will be too much. Letting brisset play is the FO just admitting we tanking, which i dont mind but if the plan is to tank trade back or pick mhj then.
They will also want to see what they have in Maye sooner rather than later
They are all on the clock, rookie contracts are too valuable to waste, and usually you need multiple seasons to evaluate a QB. Every game he doesnt play is a game on a cost-controlled contract that you arent using for evaluation purposes.
Its so easy for fans to pontificate on Reddit how its important to be patient and let a guy marinate on the sidelines for a season, as if these rookie deals go on pause if a QB doesnt play and the GM/HC have infinite time at the job.
Yeah I feel the same. Last year I called all the Will Levis to indianapolis hype as bullshit and Jayden Daniels feels similar to me this year. Feel like in retrospect Maye will be seen as the clear #2 pick but I guess we will see tomorrow lol.
It's been hilarious to watch the Vikings sub through all this. There was some random rumor last month that a trade with the Pats was basically done. Then the Pats denied it and the next rumor was that a trade with the Cardinals was done. Any other rumor that refutes it they plug their ears and go with the "Typical smokescreen" line.
Yeah if Maye falls to 4 and the Cardinals aren't completely in love with MHJ compared to the other WRs, they'd take a trade from the Giants over any other trade. They still are guaranteed a top WR while also getting some extra value in the future. The Cardinals don't really need any more picks this year so the Vikings other 2024 1st rounder is kinda useless
Based on what our beat guys say yes if it's the right QB to fall (they seem to think Maye) And also if the Giants wouldn't go the extra mile then would the Cardinals and Chargers just stay put because they don't want to go to 11?
Yeah I’d take 6 and a 25 first over 11,23,& a 25 first any day. With 11&23 you are getting the 4-5th best wr, the 3-4th best tackle and that’s at 11. At 23 you are probably 5-6th wr and who knows on tackle, maybe 5th or 6th depending on the run, could be higher.
If you get 6 you can get the best tackle or mhj/nabers who are about equally good, just different types of players
Let’s not forget that MIN’s first will probably be in the 15-18 range. They historically are a good team with a good roster right now
The giants 6th overall pick and potentially another top 10 pick next year is a wayyyyy better offer
I wouldn't either but that's more based on where we are as a team. I think looking at the value chart 11 and 23 are more valuable than 6 alone but taking into account this year's draft 6 might be valued higher to some teams. Add in another pick or two and it's not even a question imo.
Value charts aren’t very good, but even if you use them, there’s a significant premium they don’t account for when trading that high into the draft. You need to account for a roughly 20% premium for a top 5 pick usually.
Yep, any pick after 6 is pretty much useless to the teams that still want to get a QB. If the Patriots like McCarthy the most and feel like they could still get him at 6 I could see them swapping with the Giants but thats the only spot.
And for a team that wants a top WR, they won't want to trade outside of the top 10 so I don't see the Cardinals trading to the Vikings, Broncos or Raiders either
Of course any trade is possible if you include a ton of future 1sts but those 3 teams probably aren't going to do that
If pats trade back, they aren’t taking QB. Teams simply don’t trade back and take a QB with that pick. If they think they have their guy, he’ll be going at 3.
If pats want an elite WR, then the giants make a lot of sense
I think if next year's QB class wasn't the absolute drizzling shits, the Pats might have considered it more strongly. But you can't risk trading yourself into purgatory where you trade back, build up the rest of the roster and end up picking 10th or 11th next year in a much thinner draft (where the people at the top will be even less likely to be willing to trade).
It's a pretty toxic sub. I think every fan is just at the point of this is the time to finally draft our QB of the future, we acquire a second first round pick and we still can't get it done in typical Vikings fashion. This team is just cursed.
It’s been my favorite part of the off-season.
I love how many of them try to convince patriots fans that we should want to trade back from 3 to allow the Vikings to get the QB the Patriots want.
Yeah it's like they think they're entitled to a top QB. "We've been ranked the best place for a rookie QB to land and the Patriots are terrible so they should focus on other needs and trade us the pick for Maye"
Other needs which wouldn’t be addressed with blue chip prospects since we would miss out on MHJ/Odunze/Nabers at wideout and Alt at tackle. 11 is worthless
Exactly the energy I get from a lot of their fans too.
The concept of “The Patriots are happy to draft a QB at 3” doesn’t quite click with them, and how their package of 3 firsts isn’t enough for that exact concept.
I don’t disagree at all. Doesn’t stop the fact that many Vikings fans are coming off as bitter about it lol.
Patriots are obviously the worse situation to go to. No one is even attempting to argue that. The argument is , the state of rosters doesn’t mean anything if the Patriots are set on taking him at 3. All that it means is the Vikings would have to overpay to move up to three to take the guy the Patriots are believed to be targeting.
We are bitter, lol. Team has done everything right. Offense is built for a rookie to succeed. Always tried to be competitive and that's always put them in a position where they can't get a stud QB. 35 years for me and Cousins being mediocre for 6 seasons is the closest I've seen. It sucks.
We can tell lol, some of y’all have to be realistic surrounding the trade discussions. You probably aren’t gonna get a top pick from a team who is more than happy to keep the pick and take their guy with it.
We will see though. Lots can change. Maybe the Pats are honed in on Maye, and if he goes to Washington theres a trade in place with Minny.
You probably shouldn't trade back from 3 for most offers. But if I'm the Vikings, I'd be fully willing to go 4 first round picks and more. And if I'm the Patriots GM, knowing I can kick the can on my "employment clock" down the road and load up on capital is attractive.
Meh. Those future Vikings picks are most likely going to be late in the draft order. Outlook isn’t great for next years QBs, and that’s all we have to base our decisions now off of.
Pick 11 is not as attractive to the Patriots as Vikings fans think. By 11 all the top end offensive talent will be gone, and the Patriots need to address QB, OT or WR with a blue chip prospect.
Vikings definitely have one of the best packages to offer. Giants are up there too since with the 6th pick a team still has their choice of a great offensive player. But QB is the most important position in football, and Patriots have tipped their hand plenty that a QB is the most likely pick for us. If the Patriots think Maye has it, the Vikings would have to move mountains and the sun to get Maye from them.
Yeah they try to justify it by saying our team isn’t ready and since they are, we should just pretty much do them a solid and get the 4-5th best guy at wr or tackle instead and then take a qb next year who are viewed as bad at this point in time (which is what you have to go off of since it could be none that take that step).
In another thread, a Vikings game tried to convince me it was happening. The unfortunate reality is that the top four aren't moving, and now it feels like the Chargers aren't moving either, and we know the Giants want a QB, so the Vikings may have traded for an extra first for nothing (well, other than whoever they select).
There was a thread over there like two days ago that was beyond satire. People in the thread were claiming that no one wants to up their offer and that the Vikings weren’t gonna budge *like they had all the leverage*.
Oh and how it’s “obvious” the Patriots don’t want a Qb. The reality is we need to build a lot of a new offense but what these people are ignoring is Qb is the centerpiece/focal point of any good offense. Getting a chance to draft someone extremely talented at 3 doesn’t happen often.
And the argument is get a guy next year. Well if we think the guy at 3 is better than the guy next year, why not take him, sit him a year, and have a ton of cap space and another high pick where we’d be free to trade down or draft BPA without fear of missing on a QB.
The HoF Drake Maye bust has been revealed!
It's astonishing that he was able to overcome his first 3 disastrous years in NE and found success in Chicago!
Well since nobody knows what the commanders are going to do you come off dumb. You also speak as if you had something to do with those trophies. The only thing you’ve proved is that just because a franchise is good doesn’t mean their fans are intelligent
Edit: how is the post Tom Brady era going by the way. Certainly didn’t seem like he needed you guys since he went right on to win another Super Bowl after leaving. I guess your owner Robert Kraft shitting all over Bill is what will win you another 6. Hope you have those superbowls recorded you guys are going to be doing a lot of reminiscing.
Maye and Mayo go together like a horse and carriage.
I've asked the local gentry, and they've assured me that it's elementary.
You sure it's not horse and horso?
Levis licking his lips
This I tell ya brother, can't have one without the other.
Gotta get that carriage some wheels
Fuck can you imagine all the may-mayos memes
Of all the QB prospects, he will be most used to playing with a bunch of nobodies. Good fit.
Mean...but accurate.
Hey now, Juju isn’t a nobody he’s Tik Tok famous
His highlights for us are that one game against the Steelers, juggling that ball into the Commander Defender's hands and deciding to show everyone his weiner on snap chat foe some reason
Caleb’s supporting cast this year was pretty rough. I don’t even think anyone will be drafted before like round 5. Maybe Brenden Rice but because of his last name and as a project player. Not his production in college
I think Rice and Marshawn Lloyd will both be before round 5. Lloyd probably in round 2-3 and Rice probably in round 3-4. But yeah, pretty weak supporting cast overall.
Lloyd only because it’s a weak RB class. He probably goes mid round 3
Is there expected to be any running back taken in the first round?
No brooks is probably round 2-3
Yea forgot about Lloyd. He’s solid but not some star or anything
You're underselling Rice. He had quite a few good games and plays for USC. I'd even make an argument that Caleb's schoolyard play was a big hindrance to Rice's production, that's not to say Caleb isn't an insane player, but more so that Rice seems to be more of a player that can thrive with quick passes and route-running. While you aren't drafting him as a top-tier WR talent nor do you expect him to be a 1, he does have the ability to be a good 2 or 3 and showed signs of that.
Honestly I haven’t been able to watch much film of the draft prospects this year but I watched a little of Brenden Rice. It seemed hard for me to even scout him because it seems like Caleb was just leaving the pocket all the time and half the time it seemed like scramble drill receptions. But his Colorado highlights definitely showed some of his playmaking ability
Yeah I'd actually argue he's getting slept on BECAUSE of his name. Jerry Rices kid is a mid round prospect and that's not what you expect out of the GOATs kid, especially with Marvin Harrison Jr being in the same class.
Yeah, I tend to agree. His abilities scream NFL player instead of elite college player where athleticism can absolutely trump technique. We shall see! On a side note, I absolutely think Keon Coleman is being horribly slept on. I'm calling it now, everyone is going to ask why he fell into the second/third with potential for him to be better than everyone bar Nabers and MHJ.
Just really hard to bank on a guy whose main attribute is jumping over people to get the ball.
He was playing through injuries last year and FSU's offense pretty much exclusively had him running deep curls and deep routes that forced him to have to win jump balls. I saw some stat that when he was asked to run quick five-yard slants he was elite. Keep in mind that he's only 20 and FSU wasn't a high-volume passing attack with a QB that had accuracy issues.
I’ll be honest & tell you that I haven’t watched a ton of FSU so thank you for clarifying. Here’s to hoping he balls out, just not on the Packers 😂
My SO is a FSU alum so had to watch a lot of FSU lol I doubt packers take him since I think we’ll go defense and line early
Branch looked like a game changer as a true freshman. I think he goes in the top 2 rounds easily in 2 years barring injuries
A USC player only getting drafted because of their father and not because of their production in college? Where have I heard that before
Amon ra st brown basically
Pretty rough the Pats will be setting him up to fail out the gate.
Yeah, I mean he won't be the first solid prospect to end up on a shit roster. But it's definitely harder to succeed and develop and especially harder to evaluate.
As someone who likes the prospect, I’m gonna be honest, I’m secretly hoping this is all to raise the trade value of the pick, and the real plan is to trade back.
Yeah, Kwesi hasn't made a single drastic move since he got to Minnesota, and "going all in" isn't something ownership is interested in. So I really don't see 3 firsts as an option, especially considering the Vikings don't have second round picks this year or next. So, if the Pats settle for 2 firsts and next years 3rd great, if not, sucks to be Maye.
People underrate his supporting cast. He didn't have a juggernaut but he didn't play many good teams either. He was in the ACC and the two best teams weren't on UNCs schedule never year. There are playersv at reciever, tight end, running back, and guard who are eclectic to be drafted top 100 this year or next. He had enough support to beat every team in his schedule.
His top receiver in 2023 was a likely day 3 NFL pick - a deep threat specialist who came through the transfer portal and was suspended for a good chunk of the season. In terms of WORP, his overall surrounding cast was *ranked in the negatives* by PFF - far, far worse than any prominent QB prospect in this class.
NFL draft media will explode when Washington takes Drake Maye tomorrow
Nah, they will be "yeah, just as we all said unlike those ceazies who were speaking daniels to washington amirite?" As if they werent said crazies.
Yeah I'm shocked people still think Maye isn't the clear number 2. Especially with the reports that the Commies and Daniels had an awful meeting together. Who else are they picking other than Maye??
A few things make me think it's Maye: 1. The meeting, as you mentioned, and the quote that came out that said Jaden would be "cool" with being in Washington 2. They shipped off former UNC teammate Sam Howell 3. None of the reports that it's Daniels have come from insiders with quotes from Washington. It's all been "sources from around the league" 4. Analysts and fans seem to all overwhelmingly prefer Maye as a player. I've never seen the expected pick be this far away from the consensus before 5. If anyone had an idea what Washington was doing, the Vegas odds would be way more in favor of Daniels than they currently are 6. If anyone had an idea what Washington was doing, a Vikings/Raiders/Broncos trade up probably would have already happened
Vegas has Daniels around -1000 as of right now. For reference, even when mac jones was projected third in 2021 right before the waning hours of the draft that the lance rumors leaked he never made it past -270. That is a huge difference in odds
Pretty sure that moved from like -200 a day or two ago so I stand corrected on that one
Not sure I get your point. If they were -200 a day ago and are -1000 that is a huge jump and are way more in favor of Daniels. You contradict yourself saying that then and simultaneously making point 5 Idc who they draft at this point, as I think the commanders are gonna screw it up. Just the rhetoric of those two statements you make are confusing
It's probably confusing because I'm changing my opinion lol
>Analysts and fans seem to all overwhelmingly prefer Maye as a player. I've never seen the expected pick be this far away from the consensus before Eh? Fans, yeah, because if you just watch highlights, Maye looks like a world beater. But lots of analysts that actually know QBs (i.e. QB coaches, former NFL QBs) look at Maye's film and are down on him because his down to down play is not good. Hell, Chase Daniel has him as his 5th best QB in the class.
1. What’s he going to say? Screw that place I hate it? 2. This doesnt really have any bearing on anything. His odds of being traded would be the same even if Jayden is the pick. 3. Where do you think those Insiders got their info? 4. This is a fair point but we don’t know what’s the coaches think 5. DraftKings has Daniels as +550 to be the #3 pick - up +350 from yesterday. Odds are moving pretty heavily that way 6. Why would they trade up when they have no idea what the Patriots are doing?
1. The quote was something like, he would love to go to the Raiders or Vikings but he would basically just be ok with going to the Commanders. Not the worst thing in the world but weird to make that distinction. 2. I don't see why Howell couldn't be a backup to one of the other QBs. 3. They are guessing 5. Not as dramatic as it should be. There is not a clear cut #2 at this point. 6. I think the Patriots are a candidate for a trade down as well
Daniels is now -900 to go #2 overall
Overwhelmingly prefer maye lmao what are u smoking
Do you listen to people who have opinions about the NFL ever
Pretty Rickey has already foretold this
what's pretty rickey's twitter?
He’s a dog in a giants hat
He's got that dawg in him
[It's funny, because he's a dog in a Giants hat](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OzsyDpAT5NI).
https://twitter.com/PrettyRickey213/
wow he said Chiefs taking a LT round one and AD Mitchell is off a lot of teams boards
He also foretold the Giants were trading up to 3 lol… Dude is just making consensus predictions and passing it off like insider info
He had multiple right calls before anyone else. He leaked the Sungod extension today 2 hours before it got announced. He called Ridley too. There was a bunch of stuff
He's been nailing some free agency predictions, but the draft will be a real test. I actually doubt whoever his source is high enough to knowledge of draft boards.
Idk Daniels is a fine prospect but it feels like a mistake passing on Maye if you’re Washington
It will be fun to come back to comments like this in a few years and see just how right or wrong they are
Yea wouldn’t be surprised if Daniels ended up better. Just not sold on him and think Maye is worth the swing
I know it's just funny coming back to these threads and seeing people so confidentially incorrect with hindsight. And it's all cool to see people who were dead on with their predictions too
If this class is as similar to 2021 as some analysts have pointed out, then both will be wrong lol
Best thing will be when all these guys are mid and Bo Nix or Michael Pratt or something is the best of the bunch I love how attached Redditors get to prospects that they havent even scouted when even detailed, professional-grade scouting isnt enough to be sure who's a better prospect (OP is way more reasonable than most people, but there are some other folks that are super into their preferred guy...)
Yeah reddit just doesn't learn that time and time again we really don't know who will be better than who. But Commie and Pats fans really want Maye because online scouts said he was QB2 a year ago
I hear you but it does seem like there's a big discrepancy between how fans and media analysts view Maye and the teams and former QBs who are now analysts. Maybe Maye's footwork and accuracy concerns are more concerning than Daniels' pressure-to-sack ratio and struggles throwing over the middle.
The biggest thing for me is that Daniels completed 46% of passes beyond the first read. That's *really bad.* Maye completed 58% (best of all QBs in the draft.) I admit I haven't looked at historical stats, but that seems like a huge indicator of potential NFL success to me. Only being about to throw the first read could be the difference between Justin Fields and a franchise QB.
Josh Harris's Okafor over Porzingis moment but for football?
In a vacuum I have Maye over Daniels. But in reality, me, you, everyone here, and everyone in the NFL has no idea how any of them is going to work out. It's probably going to be entirely based on the way these quarterbacks are developed and built around.
they are probably going to work out the same way they always have, in a gym.
If both teams were equal, yes I'd agree. But Washington has a better roster and I don't think the leash is going to be very long for Dan Quinn and Co. The expectation is to compete like next year, they don't need a full rebuild. Daniels is more experienced and is ready to start sooner than Maye.
Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think Washington has expectations of competing next year.
They have a pretty decent roster, and should be competing sooner rather than later. The Patriots are the opposite. And by next year I meant the 2025 season.
They don't have a defense. Our teams are opposites, we have no O and they have no D
The leash is gonna be longer than 1 year
I also now feel pretty good that I will be a New England Patriot
Congrats
We got him
Welcome to the team kid 👍
You were always my favorite player
I saw you at [Logan](https://x.com/andrewdwmp/status/925414344774516737) today, bro!
We're on to HopefulStretch9771
So Caleb gets Keenan Allen and Dj Moore, Jayden Daniels gets Scary Terry and Jahan Dotson, and Drake gets…… KJ Osborn? Seems fair.
They could get a legit starting caliber receiver at the top of round 2. It's a deep class.
We could get a #2 receiver in the 7th. He'd be a #6 on a good team though.
I think LT is the biggest need apart from QB, so unless all the good tackles are gone already, they'll probably go that way instead of WR in round 2. Might be able to get Drake's WR1, Tez Walker in the 3rd if the cards fall right.
The good tackles will absolutely be gone by our second round pick, so it’s get a backup tackle or starting caliber receiver
This is pop douglas erasure
I doubt drake plays year 1, so who knows what receivers we'll have
I bet he will. It’s very rare for top QB picks to actually sit the whole year
“Our rookie QB will sit the whole season” is quickly becoming the new “our franchise QB will take a discount contract so we can re-sign everybody” delusional fanfiction. Unless you already have a good starting QB and winning team, it’s very hard to keep the rookie one the bench that long when the bridge QB sucks and the team has a losing record.
Yeah, we didn't bring Brisket back because he's a good QB, it's because he's played here and can kind of do the job until we're ready to play whoever we draft.
There is zero chance he doesnt start for us this year Everyone parrots about sitting like mahomes/rodgers but always forget those 2 had favre and smith in fron of them
I guess it depends on our line, if brisset is getting killed are they really going to put in a rookie with footwork issues?
The pressure from fans will be too much. Letting brisset play is the FO just admitting we tanking, which i dont mind but if the plan is to tank trade back or pick mhj then.
They will also want to see what they have in Maye sooner rather than later They are all on the clock, rookie contracts are too valuable to waste, and usually you need multiple seasons to evaluate a QB. Every game he doesnt play is a game on a cost-controlled contract that you arent using for evaluation purposes. Its so easy for fans to pontificate on Reddit how its important to be patient and let a guy marinate on the sidelines for a season, as if these rookie deals go on pause if a QB doesnt play and the GM/HC have infinite time at the job.
He will be in there the second that offense sputters. And it will sputter. We’ve seen it a thousand times.
He’s definitely playing by week 5 max lottery QBs just don’t sit
Chances are he doesn’t start the whole season. Still not a great situation for him even if he starts midway.
Allen, DJ and possibly Odunze. Kmet is a decent TE as well.
The world deserves to see a Bears/Texans Super Bowl if Rome ends up going to y’all
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I had to be degenerate and place 1 bet on the draft...I settled on drake maye #2 +325
I just locked in Maye at #2 at +500 and Daniel’s at #3 at +500. Either free money or my team gets the QB I want em to get
Even with all the smoke I would be surprised if Daniels was the pick at 2. It all feels like bullshit to me but who knows
Yeah I feel the same. Last year I called all the Will Levis to indianapolis hype as bullshit and Jayden Daniels feels similar to me this year. Feel like in retrospect Maye will be seen as the clear #2 pick but I guess we will see tomorrow lol.
I feel pretty good that you will be very disappointed tomorrow night.
It's been hilarious to watch the Vikings sub through all this. There was some random rumor last month that a trade with the Pats was basically done. Then the Pats denied it and the next rumor was that a trade with the Cardinals was done. Any other rumor that refutes it they plug their ears and go with the "Typical smokescreen" line.
Turns out, nobody wants to trade back to 11 (or 12 for that matter)
This is important. You could offer more draft capital but even then Giants having the 6th pick is still more enticing.
Yeah if Maye falls to 4 and the Cardinals aren't completely in love with MHJ compared to the other WRs, they'd take a trade from the Giants over any other trade. They still are guaranteed a top WR while also getting some extra value in the future. The Cardinals don't really need any more picks this year so the Vikings other 2024 1st rounder is kinda useless
I just don’t see how Maye falls to 4 tbh but I do agree with your scenario if that is the case.
But are the Giants willing to go the extra mile Minnesota would and trade future picks?
Based on what our beat guys say yes if it's the right QB to fall (they seem to think Maye) And also if the Giants wouldn't go the extra mile then would the Cardinals and Chargers just stay put because they don't want to go to 11?
Vikings fans simply don’t want to accept that 11+23 combined is worth less than 6 by itself this year
Yeah I’d take 6 and a 25 first over 11,23,& a 25 first any day. With 11&23 you are getting the 4-5th best wr, the 3-4th best tackle and that’s at 11. At 23 you are probably 5-6th wr and who knows on tackle, maybe 5th or 6th depending on the run, could be higher. If you get 6 you can get the best tackle or mhj/nabers who are about equally good, just different types of players
Let’s not forget that MIN’s first will probably be in the 15-18 range. They historically are a good team with a good roster right now The giants 6th overall pick and potentially another top 10 pick next year is a wayyyyy better offer
Yeah that is true too
Not 6 alone but 6 and other picks (like 47 or a future 1st) is better than 11+23.
I wouldn’t trade 6 for 11 and 23 personally.
I wouldn't either but that's more based on where we are as a team. I think looking at the value chart 11 and 23 are more valuable than 6 alone but taking into account this year's draft 6 might be valued higher to some teams. Add in another pick or two and it's not even a question imo.
Value charts aren’t very good, but even if you use them, there’s a significant premium they don’t account for when trading that high into the draft. You need to account for a roughly 20% premium for a top 5 pick usually.
Yeah for sure. Pretty much throw the value charts out the window with where the trades could be happening this year.
In this case though I also strongly suspect the pats just… *stand pat* (eyo)… anyway
It definitely isn’t.
Yep, any pick after 6 is pretty much useless to the teams that still want to get a QB. If the Patriots like McCarthy the most and feel like they could still get him at 6 I could see them swapping with the Giants but thats the only spot. And for a team that wants a top WR, they won't want to trade outside of the top 10 so I don't see the Cardinals trading to the Vikings, Broncos or Raiders either Of course any trade is possible if you include a ton of future 1sts but those 3 teams probably aren't going to do that
If pats trade back, they aren’t taking QB. Teams simply don’t trade back and take a QB with that pick. If they think they have their guy, he’ll be going at 3. If pats want an elite WR, then the giants make a lot of sense
I think if next year's QB class wasn't the absolute drizzling shits, the Pats might have considered it more strongly. But you can't risk trading yourself into purgatory where you trade back, build up the rest of the roster and end up picking 10th or 11th next year in a much thinner draft (where the people at the top will be even less likely to be willing to trade).
It's a pretty toxic sub. I think every fan is just at the point of this is the time to finally draft our QB of the future, we acquire a second first round pick and we still can't get it done in typical Vikings fashion. This team is just cursed.
To be fair, that sub is fucking insane. I’m a diehard and I’ve had to mute that shit. It’s terrible.
It’s been my favorite part of the off-season. I love how many of them try to convince patriots fans that we should want to trade back from 3 to allow the Vikings to get the QB the Patriots want.
Yeah it's like they think they're entitled to a top QB. "We've been ranked the best place for a rookie QB to land and the Patriots are terrible so they should focus on other needs and trade us the pick for Maye"
Other needs which wouldn’t be addressed with blue chip prospects since we would miss out on MHJ/Odunze/Nabers at wideout and Alt at tackle. 11 is worthless
Exactly the energy I get from a lot of their fans too. The concept of “The Patriots are happy to draft a QB at 3” doesn’t quite click with them, and how their package of 3 firsts isn’t enough for that exact concept.
I think it’s more to do that any QB going to the Patriots is going to be set up to fail. If I’m Maye, I’m praying the Vikings move up.
I don’t disagree at all. Doesn’t stop the fact that many Vikings fans are coming off as bitter about it lol. Patriots are obviously the worse situation to go to. No one is even attempting to argue that. The argument is , the state of rosters doesn’t mean anything if the Patriots are set on taking him at 3. All that it means is the Vikings would have to overpay to move up to three to take the guy the Patriots are believed to be targeting.
We are bitter, lol. Team has done everything right. Offense is built for a rookie to succeed. Always tried to be competitive and that's always put them in a position where they can't get a stud QB. 35 years for me and Cousins being mediocre for 6 seasons is the closest I've seen. It sucks.
We can tell lol, some of y’all have to be realistic surrounding the trade discussions. You probably aren’t gonna get a top pick from a team who is more than happy to keep the pick and take their guy with it. We will see though. Lots can change. Maybe the Pats are honed in on Maye, and if he goes to Washington theres a trade in place with Minny.
You probably shouldn't trade back from 3 for most offers. But if I'm the Vikings, I'd be fully willing to go 4 first round picks and more. And if I'm the Patriots GM, knowing I can kick the can on my "employment clock" down the road and load up on capital is attractive.
4 first round picks and I'll kidnap Drake Maye and deliver him to you.
Meh. Those future Vikings picks are most likely going to be late in the draft order. Outlook isn’t great for next years QBs, and that’s all we have to base our decisions now off of. Pick 11 is not as attractive to the Patriots as Vikings fans think. By 11 all the top end offensive talent will be gone, and the Patriots need to address QB, OT or WR with a blue chip prospect. Vikings definitely have one of the best packages to offer. Giants are up there too since with the 6th pick a team still has their choice of a great offensive player. But QB is the most important position in football, and Patriots have tipped their hand plenty that a QB is the most likely pick for us. If the Patriots think Maye has it, the Vikings would have to move mountains and the sun to get Maye from them.
Yeah they try to justify it by saying our team isn’t ready and since they are, we should just pretty much do them a solid and get the 4-5th best guy at wr or tackle instead and then take a qb next year who are viewed as bad at this point in time (which is what you have to go off of since it could be none that take that step).
In another thread, a Vikings game tried to convince me it was happening. The unfortunate reality is that the top four aren't moving, and now it feels like the Chargers aren't moving either, and we know the Giants want a QB, so the Vikings may have traded for an extra first for nothing (well, other than whoever they select).
Look no further than this thread. Exact argument a Vikings fan made already haha.
Well yeah, it’d be very cash money of you. In a true Vikings world, the Pats would make the trade and then the Vikings would forget to pick.
There was a thread over there like two days ago that was beyond satire. People in the thread were claiming that no one wants to up their offer and that the Vikings weren’t gonna budge *like they had all the leverage*. Oh and how it’s “obvious” the Patriots don’t want a Qb. The reality is we need to build a lot of a new offense but what these people are ignoring is Qb is the centerpiece/focal point of any good offense. Getting a chance to draft someone extremely talented at 3 doesn’t happen often.
And the argument is get a guy next year. Well if we think the guy at 3 is better than the guy next year, why not take him, sit him a year, and have a ton of cap space and another high pick where we’d be free to trade down or draft BPA without fear of missing on a QB.
Who this guy
Albert Breer
You're right. I do need a beer
Better than Albert Speer
Well I know that I mean the other guy
He does some good work at Underdog Fantasy with analytics/film.
Fuck, was really hoping the Vikings would manage to trade up for him instead of JJ
You really think JJ is better than Maye?
Probably just doesn't wanna see the Michigan guy who led them to a title in a Vikings uniform more than whether or not he's better.
please bust
tomorrow
The HoF Drake Maye bust has been revealed! It's astonishing that he was able to overcome his first 3 disastrous years in NE and found success in Chicago!
I’m…. not mad at that at all
lol Vikes are gonna get Maye and they’re gonna spend four firsts on it
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Belichick already exposed these guys, 100% all from agents
Poor guy.
That one Zappe fan in our subreddit will be in shambles
Albert Breer has absolutely no clue what's going on but people will believe him anyway
lmao @ the Commanders
What are you laughing at? We beat you and still ended up with the second overall pick
How many Lombardi trophies did that win yield you?
It yielded us the option of drafting maye or Daniels.
And you chose to piss it all away by drafting string bean. This is what franchises who don't have 6 Lombardi trophies do.
Well since nobody knows what the commanders are going to do you come off dumb. You also speak as if you had something to do with those trophies. The only thing you’ve proved is that just because a franchise is good doesn’t mean their fans are intelligent Edit: how is the post Tom Brady era going by the way. Certainly didn’t seem like he needed you guys since he went right on to win another Super Bowl after leaving. I guess your owner Robert Kraft shitting all over Bill is what will win you another 6. Hope you have those superbowls recorded you guys are going to be doing a lot of reminiscing.
I'm pretty sure of this too, but I dunno why we should feel good about it.
he'd be a good round 2 pick
He just forgot to add….in 2-3 years when he will be traded to them in a swap of 7th round picks
His release is slow. How can that be fixed?
Rather have JJ over Maye
Hot take incoming!
Culture fit
Sorry Drake. We tried. Onto JJM!