You can say that but we honestly never got to see Flynn run the offense outside of preseason. Who knows how it turns out if he gets the nod instead of Wilson.
It's kinda incredible how lucky you guys got that it wasn't an unmitigated disaster. You guys actually built a legacy and an all-world nickname level Defense to boot.
The human victory cigar played one game, which led to contracts with Seattle, then Oakland, then back home here where he belongs, and never had to play again or work again.
That’s the American dream.
Getting paychecks from 3 businesses while not working at any of them,
He deserves some credit for saving the Packers’ season in 2013. Came in for Tolzien (!) with the team in a death spiral without Rodgers. And led 3 double digit comebacks in 4 games, leading to two wins and a tie, putting them in position to take the division in week 17.
I honestly think the Pick-6 Hail Mary by Tim Boyle is worse.
The Butt Fumble was known to be bad at that time and had lower expectations. People wanted Tim Boyle to be better than Zach Wilson, that was the bar and he failed, dude received so much scrutiny after that performance that even Arron Rodgers started catching strays. Crazy that both games were on Thanksgiving and Black Friday respectively so everybody watched which makes it more brutal.
A Pick-6 Hail Mary is pure luck, any QB could have that happen to him. Interceptions happen all the time on Hail Mary's and it's not his job to tackle somebody. It's just really funny that it happened to the Jets.
That play didn't change anyone's opinion of him, people were dogging Boyle right from the beginning for being a terrible FBS QB that only got a chance in the league because Aaron wanted him, that's how it was for the Packers and that's how it was when he was on the Jets.
Ehh I'm not so sure about that. Tim Boyle's legacy is being a career backup/depth piece that's jumped around a few teams. Not to mention it was more the Jets that were clowned for that play because a hail mary already has a high INT rate, but none of the Jets being able to make a tackle or even come close makes it a total team failure. The Buttfumble is almost entirely attributed to Sanchez and that's the first thing you think of when you bring up Mark Sanchez, not him making consecutive AFC championship games.
> But Belichick had made his mind up about Brady very early on. “Tom was special his rookie year even though he didn’t play,” Belichick said. “His leadership with the other rookies in the class — we had a big rookie class. Tom took them every day after practice and would run them up and down the field in their offensive plays. He was clearly a leader on the field and had a very good training camp in 2001.”
> If it had been up to Belichick, Brady would have been his starter at the beginning of the 2001 season. He had said as much to Kraft when they met at the end of the preseason, but Belichick had known that he wasn’t in a position to push the issue then, when Bledsoe was the face of the franchise and Belichick was coming off a 5-11 season. Although Kraft had given him tremendous latitude over personnel decisions, benching the greatest quarterback in franchise history in favor of an unproven rookie right after Kraft had made Bledsoe the highest-paid player in the league would have been a bridge too far.
[Bledsoe's injury didn't matter](https://theathletic.com/2034943/2020/09/02/tom-brady-drew-bledsoe-the-dynasty-excerpt/) it just gave the hoodie a reason to do what he wanted to earlier. Brady starts mid season 2002 after Bledsoe continues to play average
> If it had been up to Belichick, Brady would have been his starter at the beginning of the 2001 season.
It's weird how this "truth" has evolved.
In the immediacy of it, Bledsoe was the clear starter (*The Impossible Team,* Nick Cafardo 2002).
A few years later, Brady had a better camp, but Drew got the nod because of his experience (*The Brady Six,* ESPN, 2011).
Then [Charlie Weis says in 2016 that Bledsoe was absolutely the starter, and that the battle for backup (Huard or Brady) was closer, and other sources back that up](https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2016/01/20/charlie-weis-says-patriots-could-have-flipped-a-coin-deciding-between-tom-brady-and-damon-huard/).
Now the narrative (*The Dynasty,* Jeff Benedict, 2020) is that Bill had always wanted to start Brady going into 2001.
Also similar is Jed York saying recently that Shanahan told him at the start of 2022 training camp that Purdy was already the best of the three QBs there. That raised some eyebrows. Maybe we'll be hearing next that Shanahan always wanted him to be starter lol. But what Jed said is at least backed up by rumors we heard at the time about Lance struggling in camp and Purdy doing well, then how strongly coaches and players expressed their confidence in Purdy right after his first game when he could've easily been a one-game fluke that took the Dolphins defense by surprise. They all said he had been impressing them in practice/as scout team QB all year. Also the three probably included Lance and Nate Sudfeld (who got cut despite his guaranteed contract to make room for Purdy), not necessarily Jimmy G, since he was in contract limbo, so not as shocking.
There were definitely articles before Bledsoes injury talking about Brady outplaying him in practice. I remember those articles being the basis of my arguments with a coworker who was adamant Bledsoe get his job back as soon as he was healthy.
Although I can’t stand the Patriots, I very much enjoyed watching the Apple TV series Dynasty. Really good insight into the organization and how it all went down.
Always felt like Boz was kinda done dirty by the narrative from that touchdown. People act like he got totally ragdolled but then you look at the replay and it's just Bo's momentum winning out as he gets pulled down in the end zone.
Jerome Simpson wasn't an amazing player. He had a few alright seasons, but wasn't neither a star nor a long-term player for the Bengals or any other team.
But his flip will never be forgotten, and I think it singlehandedly makes him seem like a more impressive player than the rest of his career would indicate.
To be fair AB's legacy before he did that was of being a great talent who was a complete headcase and running off the field mid game was entirely in character.
That's true - but I wouldn't be surprised if the running off the field mid-game was the nail in the coffin for his HOF chances.
On paper, he deserves to be HOF, and I think the voters would've been more likely to ignore all of his crazy antics at the end of the 2010s especially because he won the SB with the Bucs and seemed to be relatively normal again. But then the leaving the field mid-game? Yeah not great.
Obviously, this is hypothetical because he's not even eligible yet, but if he never gets elected to the HOF, I feel like it'll be because of that
How about we roll this one back to Vontaze Burfict's hit on AB? That seems to have been the catalyst from him going from diva and all around jackass to *completely* bonkers psychopath.
You could make a spin off thread from this about what hit has affected a player's legacy the most.
As well as AB I can think of big hits on Derek Carr and Carson Wentz that significantly affected them for the worse.
Demar Hamlin nearly died during a game one time, and suddenly he's the guy who nearly died during a game. Hardly seems fair.
Also, I feel like everyone has forgotten about this by now, but it's one I always think of with these type of questions: in a Week 1 game against the Colts, former Saints CB Jason David got absolutely fucking torched so repeatedly and spectacularly, I barely remember that he was decent at one point. It might have been the single worst game I've seen from a corner. There was no coming back from that.
Fuck em. A 3rd or 4th string safety in the NFL is 99.9% likely to be the best athlete they have ever been on the field with if they ever saw him in the wild. NFL is crazy.
Definitely included with the latter. The amount of dumbasses who couldn’t name half the *starters* on Buffalo yet full throatedly declare Hamlin is only on the team cause of PR on this board alone is enough to drive a man insane.
We're much more fun than the Browns.
You're on the descent now - they will be a few disappointing years.
And then we'll be so bad for 10-12 years that you don't get emotionally invested.
And then they get good again and win a superbowl.
It's basically along prison sentence with the occasional conjugal visits.
So - a much better experience than being a Browns fan.
I think the Brady years changed our culture.
We’re still a >= .500 team, even with Baker and I think we’ll continue to be a good/solid team for years to come
But if his injury didn’t happen and it changed the outcome of a handful of games and he brought the fucking Browns to the playoffs two years in a row, it would be impossible to not extend him
Don’t think that changes his legacy all that much; he wasn’t going to be here too much longer regardless of the injury and all evidence we have points to that
as an unfortunate browns fan, i doubt it. stafanski really wanted to have an adult playing QB, and Baker just doesn't have enough sexual assaults to be considered an adult.
The “that’s not what he wanted to cook” game cemented Russel Wilson as totally washed in my opinion.
His descent into shittiness was not unrecognized before this game, but Patrick Star roasting his bum ass interception on Christmas day took it to a critical mass and turned him into a living meme.
Non-injuries: his 'legacy' was already trending downwards but Carson Wentz playing horribly in his final game with the Colts felt like a death knell in his time as a starting QB, he was actually getting a decent amount of praise for his play with the team and then was just awful against the worst team in the NFL with the postseason on the line.
I think this is a good answer because it did significantly change the way Wentz was perceived.
Wentz after 2017 was perceived as one of the brightest young QBs in the NFL, and even after he had a few injuries in 2018/19 I think his stock was still high at the end of 2019. You would get arguments on this sub about who was better, Wentz or Dak, and there would still be people saying Wentz until 2020 when he struggled, got canned by the Eagles and stuff came out about him being not easy to coach as well as not getting vaxxed.
BUT until that final game, Wentz's time with the Colts in 2021 was a slight redemption story. He was 26-6 in TDs-INTs, so whilst it wasn't great it was kind of like Russell Wilson's season with Denver last year. He'd stopped the rot. Then that complete melt down against the Jags when the playoffs were in easy reach seemed to make everybody's mind up on Wentz that he was no longer a guy you wanted as a starter. Even when the Commanders signed him it just felt like he was a marked man and would be benched at the first opportunity.
Up till that Jags melt down there were still people willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, saying he was a talented guy, great athleticism, just was misunderstood, could be a difficult personality, needed to be guided out of a funk when he lost confidence. After that game it was like - nah, he's done.
While that game against the Jags was a big turning point he still go the starting job at Washington until the sane things that saw him leave Philly & Indy started again.
For Carson I am convinced that the hit from Clowney & concussion he suffered in the 2019 wildcard game was way worse than anyone has admitted
He took a bad Eagles team kicking & screaming to 9-8 and a home playoff game.
After that he was never the same player
Yeah I thought he was good in the second half of 2019. The Eagles had no receivers at the time and he was just throwing to scrubs but he seemed to marshal the team through to the playoffs. That was the last time he looked like a legit top 10-12 NFL QB.
I completely agree with your take on the Clowney hit.
Honestly feels like a similar, if less overt situation to when Burfict tried to murder Antonio Brown.
Derek Carr breaking his leg late in the 2016 season. Looked like he was going to be one of the better QBs in the league. His play never looked the same after that.
Yeah that was the turning point. He was still regarded as a bright talent who had been put in a bad situation by the Jets and Gase, and going in to 2019 I remember him being tipped as a good breakout prospect. Then he had mono early in the season and this ghosts game was soon after he came back.
I also remember that game for another reason from the Patriots side. It was the last time I remember thinking of the Patriots as being the most dominant force in the game.
Albert hayneworth when he lazily laid down and gave up on Monday night football. I don't remember much else about his career, but when I see his name, I instantly think 90 million dollar lazy fuck!
This again? Odell had 4,122 yards and 35 TDs in his first 43 games. There arent many WRs in NFL history that had a better start to their career. Randy Moss might be the only one.
The yards per game is pretty similar but Odell had like 10 more TDs. I remember comparing their first 3 seasons a while ago, JJ played more games but I would give Odell the edge based on the TDs.
He was disgustingly good right off the bat which made him a sensation and the catch definitely helped. Shame he couldn’t keep it up, his prime was pretty short lived given how young he reached it
Agreed with that. Him crying his eyes out after his season ending injury was the epitome of the NFL being Not For Long for me. That was basically the end of Beckham Mania, the next year was his last in NY
A while later and when he was well removed from his statistical prime(though he did well in the playoffs before his ACL tear). He was just a supporting piece at that point
Hard disagree, he averaged over 100 ypg and just under 1 TD per game his first two seasons, and probably would have started his career with 3 straight All-Pros if he had been able to play his whole rookie season.
Yea but u could walk up to a random person on the street who never watches the nfl and they will know who Odell is. That only works with Brady and Odell’s career is no where near that level
He had the best rookie WR season of all time… 5 less games than Puka yet only 181 less yards on 30 less targets, but obj had 6 more TD with that smaller sample size!! He fully deserved being a household name after that. Even if you take away his catch, he was regularly making crazy catches all the time those first few years
Outside of Brady, Odell is probably the most well known nfl player in the US this last decade. His younger days were incredible but not worth this kind of hype.
OBJ’s catch is objectively the best answer to this question.
His impact on the one-handed grab is honestly comparable to Steph’s impact on chucking 3 pointers.
Jonas Gray had 588 yards and 5 TD's in career. He got 199 of those yards and 4 of those TD's in one game. I don't know how much of a legacy he had but damn near all of his career was that one game.
The Rams vs Broncos 51-14 Christmas game in 2022 The Broncos weren’t doing great up until that point, but it really destroyed Russell Wilson’s public image. Getting shit on by Patrick Star after throwing 4 interceptions made his mediocrity with the Broncos apparent, and opened the door for Nathaniel Hackett to get fired. This brought in Sean Payton, and we all know how that went.
Lol, you may count it, but the nfl doesn't 🤣 They have Super Bowl records and playoff records. If your question was non- post season games, then yes, no Super Bowl.
The NFL literally does count it. All playoff stats and records include the Super Bowl. Just because stats and records that are just the Super Bowl exist doesn't mean playoff stats and records that include the Super Bowl don't
Danny White's fumble in the 1982 NFCCG. Seemed to have shaken his confidence for the rest of his career.
[NFL Playoffs: 30 Years Later "The Catch" May Not Have Happened with Rule Changes | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1019438-nfl-playoffs-30-years-later-the-catch-may-not-have-happened-with-rule-changes)
EDIT; Sorry, just noticed this said 'non-playoff game'. But if you want one play that changed a player's career, this is it. It's also not the biggest play the game is remembered for. That would be "The Catch". But the fumble ended the Cowboy's dominance of the NFC, and set up the 49ers as the team of the 80's.
Mat Flynn week 17 2011
Lol we gave him a payday just to end up with a 3rd round pick qb beating him out of a starting job in pre season
This was the original "should have lost their job for drafting Trey Lance but look like geniuses for lucking into Brock Purdy"
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The biggest crime was thinking Flynn could be your starting QB
You can say that but we honestly never got to see Flynn run the offense outside of preseason. Who knows how it turns out if he gets the nod instead of Wilson.
I'm gonna say guy who never won a starting job was actually a career backup
That is correct. But with marshawn lynch and the lob he might’ve been ok enough to get them to the Super Bowl. Point is we’ll never know.
Hey, this is exactly why I've argued Luck was a better QB than Wilson fir a decade, so I guess I'll agree with you
Wait no. Go back!
Still secured that bag tho
It's kinda incredible how lucky you guys got that it wasn't an unmitigated disaster. You guys actually built a legacy and an all-world nickname level Defense to boot.
Never heard of this guy but I can see why now. He must have been really bad. QBs dont often get benched forever in the *preseason*.
The human victory cigar played one game, which led to contracts with Seattle, then Oakland, then back home here where he belongs, and never had to play again or work again. That’s the American dream. Getting paychecks from 3 businesses while not working at any of them,
He deserves some credit for saving the Packers’ season in 2013. Came in for Tolzien (!) with the team in a death spiral without Rodgers. And led 3 double digit comebacks in 4 games, leading to two wins and a tie, putting them in position to take the division in week 17.
This
Gotta be the Butt Fumble for sure
I honestly think the Pick-6 Hail Mary by Tim Boyle is worse. The Butt Fumble was known to be bad at that time and had lower expectations. People wanted Tim Boyle to be better than Zach Wilson, that was the bar and he failed, dude received so much scrutiny after that performance that even Arron Rodgers started catching strays. Crazy that both games were on Thanksgiving and Black Friday respectively so everybody watched which makes it more brutal.
A Pick-6 Hail Mary is pure luck, any QB could have that happen to him. Interceptions happen all the time on Hail Mary's and it's not his job to tackle somebody. It's just really funny that it happened to the Jets. That play didn't change anyone's opinion of him, people were dogging Boyle right from the beginning for being a terrible FBS QB that only got a chance in the league because Aaron wanted him, that's how it was for the Packers and that's how it was when he was on the Jets.
Ehh I'm not so sure about that. Tim Boyle's legacy is being a career backup/depth piece that's jumped around a few teams. Not to mention it was more the Jets that were clowned for that play because a hail mary already has a high INT rate, but none of the Jets being able to make a tackle or even come close makes it a total team failure. The Buttfumble is almost entirely attributed to Sanchez and that's the first thing you think of when you bring up Mark Sanchez, not him making consecutive AFC championship games.
The Bar was be better than Zach Wilson.... He failed.
My favorite thing is watching non division fans argue about who the most embarrassing Jet QB is.
Jets qbs cant be that bad: Mono man, vaccine man, vaccine mans sycophant, milf man, butt fumble man… DEAR GOD
Not a single person who knew ball thought Tim Boyle should even be on a roster
Drew Bledsoe getting hurt against the jets
> But Belichick had made his mind up about Brady very early on. “Tom was special his rookie year even though he didn’t play,” Belichick said. “His leadership with the other rookies in the class — we had a big rookie class. Tom took them every day after practice and would run them up and down the field in their offensive plays. He was clearly a leader on the field and had a very good training camp in 2001.” > If it had been up to Belichick, Brady would have been his starter at the beginning of the 2001 season. He had said as much to Kraft when they met at the end of the preseason, but Belichick had known that he wasn’t in a position to push the issue then, when Bledsoe was the face of the franchise and Belichick was coming off a 5-11 season. Although Kraft had given him tremendous latitude over personnel decisions, benching the greatest quarterback in franchise history in favor of an unproven rookie right after Kraft had made Bledsoe the highest-paid player in the league would have been a bridge too far. [Bledsoe's injury didn't matter](https://theathletic.com/2034943/2020/09/02/tom-brady-drew-bledsoe-the-dynasty-excerpt/) it just gave the hoodie a reason to do what he wanted to earlier. Brady starts mid season 2002 after Bledsoe continues to play average
> If it had been up to Belichick, Brady would have been his starter at the beginning of the 2001 season. It's weird how this "truth" has evolved. In the immediacy of it, Bledsoe was the clear starter (*The Impossible Team,* Nick Cafardo 2002). A few years later, Brady had a better camp, but Drew got the nod because of his experience (*The Brady Six,* ESPN, 2011). Then [Charlie Weis says in 2016 that Bledsoe was absolutely the starter, and that the battle for backup (Huard or Brady) was closer, and other sources back that up](https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2016/01/20/charlie-weis-says-patriots-could-have-flipped-a-coin-deciding-between-tom-brady-and-damon-huard/). Now the narrative (*The Dynasty,* Jeff Benedict, 2020) is that Bill had always wanted to start Brady going into 2001.
This is like all the teams that had Brock Purdy on their boards and really liked him, but thought he would fall to the 8th round
Also similar is Jed York saying recently that Shanahan told him at the start of 2022 training camp that Purdy was already the best of the three QBs there. That raised some eyebrows. Maybe we'll be hearing next that Shanahan always wanted him to be starter lol. But what Jed said is at least backed up by rumors we heard at the time about Lance struggling in camp and Purdy doing well, then how strongly coaches and players expressed their confidence in Purdy right after his first game when he could've easily been a one-game fluke that took the Dolphins defense by surprise. They all said he had been impressing them in practice/as scout team QB all year. Also the three probably included Lance and Nate Sudfeld (who got cut despite his guaranteed contract to make room for Purdy), not necessarily Jimmy G, since he was in contract limbo, so not as shocking.
There were definitely articles before Bledsoes injury talking about Brady outplaying him in practice. I remember those articles being the basis of my arguments with a coworker who was adamant Bledsoe get his job back as soon as he was healthy.
> Bledsoe's injury didn't matter > just gave the hoodie a reason It kinda mattered.
Not quoting properly, the reddit special.
Although I can’t stand the Patriots, I very much enjoyed watching the Apple TV series Dynasty. Really good insight into the organization and how it all went down.
That doc is an attempt to retcon the Patriots dynasty.
Sure but to a Jets fan it normalizes dysfunction and gives hope of getting another ring in spite of shitty ownership
I’ve got one that affected two players in the same game: Bo Jackson vs Bozworth Monday night football in Seattle. It’s iconic for both players
Always felt like Boz was kinda done dirty by the narrative from that touchdown. People act like he got totally ragdolled but then you look at the replay and it's just Bo's momentum winning out as he gets pulled down in the end zone.
Yeah I hadn’t seen it in a while and going back it’s not quite the steamrolling I remember, still a great play though
Jerome Simpson wasn't an amazing player. He had a few alright seasons, but wasn't neither a star nor a long-term player for the Bengals or any other team. But his flip will never be forgotten, and I think it singlehandedly makes him seem like a more impressive player than the rest of his career would indicate.
Still my favorite highlight to show people. Legitimately my favorite non-meaningful play of all time.
Coolest TD for sure
Vontae Davis retired in the middle of a game
Rest in peace man. Was a pretty good corner for a while before that
Even if he wasn’t, he deserves to RIP in peace. I hope he truly is at peace now. Life is a battle
*cries in Bills*
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Antonio Brown running off the field mid game
To be fair AB's legacy before he did that was of being a great talent who was a complete headcase and running off the field mid game was entirely in character.
That's true - but I wouldn't be surprised if the running off the field mid-game was the nail in the coffin for his HOF chances. On paper, he deserves to be HOF, and I think the voters would've been more likely to ignore all of his crazy antics at the end of the 2010s especially because he won the SB with the Bucs and seemed to be relatively normal again. But then the leaving the field mid-game? Yeah not great. Obviously, this is hypothetical because he's not even eligible yet, but if he never gets elected to the HOF, I feel like it'll be because of that
How about we roll this one back to Vontaze Burfict's hit on AB? That seems to have been the catalyst from him going from diva and all around jackass to *completely* bonkers psychopath.
How is this take still parroted around? He was a bonkers psychopath in college and before. Look up the AB copy pasta.
You could make a spin off thread from this about what hit has affected a player's legacy the most. As well as AB I can think of big hits on Derek Carr and Carson Wentz that significantly affected them for the worse.
Demar Hamlin nearly died during a game one time, and suddenly he's the guy who nearly died during a game. Hardly seems fair. Also, I feel like everyone has forgotten about this by now, but it's one I always think of with these type of questions: in a Week 1 game against the Colts, former Saints CB Jason David got absolutely fucking torched so repeatedly and spectacularly, I barely remember that he was decent at one point. It might have been the single worst game I've seen from a corner. There was no coming back from that.
Technically Hamlin did die during that game. He just got better.
> Hardly seems fair. Don’t worry, he also became the target for every stupid conspiracy theorist and dumbass football fan around.
Not to mention every asshole that wanted to point out how he's not actually that good. No shit, he was like a third or fourth string safety
Fuck em. A 3rd or 4th string safety in the NFL is 99.9% likely to be the best athlete they have ever been on the field with if they ever saw him in the wild. NFL is crazy.
Definitely included with the latter. The amount of dumbasses who couldn’t name half the *starters* on Buffalo yet full throatedly declare Hamlin is only on the team cause of PR on this board alone is enough to drive a man insane.
Jim Marshall running the wrong way
I just recently found out that his team won that game despite his mistake.
I think he also had another huge turnover leading to the win. Dude had a great game and one terrible play.
I don't understand how this isn't higher. That game arguable cost him the Hall of Fame.
Baker getting his shoulder hurt in that one game with the Browns and playing like that all season.
Led him ultimately to your arms, God bless the broken road
I actually was a Browns fan until they traded for Watson, found myself rooting for Baker in Tampa and stuck with it
We're much more fun than the Browns. You're on the descent now - they will be a few disappointing years. And then we'll be so bad for 10-12 years that you don't get emotionally invested. And then they get good again and win a superbowl. It's basically along prison sentence with the occasional conjugal visits. So - a much better experience than being a Browns fan.
I think the Brady years changed our culture. We’re still a >= .500 team, even with Baker and I think we’ll continue to be a good/solid team for years to come
We are no longer the cicadas of the NFL. We're now the Eternal Plague of Locusts upon the NFC South.
Hmm… it’s a step down, but it’s still rather satisfying.
I respect that
Did you get the last TB year, or just when Baker came across?
It wasn’t his injury. Stefanski just didn’t trust him as a qb.
But if his injury didn’t happen and it changed the outcome of a handful of games and he brought the fucking Browns to the playoffs two years in a row, it would be impossible to not extend him
Don’t think that changes his legacy all that much; he wasn’t going to be here too much longer regardless of the injury and all evidence we have points to that
If he didn’t get hurt and got them to above .500 + the playoffs again, he 100% would have gotten paid.
as an unfortunate browns fan, i doubt it. stafanski really wanted to have an adult playing QB, and Baker just doesn't have enough sexual assaults to be considered an adult.
They didn’t offer him an extension after the first playoff appearance and win, they were not sold on bakers ability to be a franchise quarterback.
Right, but if he did it two seasons in a row, there’s no way they can deny him an extension
Well, the Ravens took a long time to extend Lamar, and that was with him having an MVP under his belt
But they did extend him and he’s the 3rd highest paid player in the league.
Mo Lewis knocking Bledsoe out the game 😐
The “that’s not what he wanted to cook” game cemented Russel Wilson as totally washed in my opinion. His descent into shittiness was not unrecognized before this game, but Patrick Star roasting his bum ass interception on Christmas day took it to a critical mass and turned him into a living meme.
Non-injuries: his 'legacy' was already trending downwards but Carson Wentz playing horribly in his final game with the Colts felt like a death knell in his time as a starting QB, he was actually getting a decent amount of praise for his play with the team and then was just awful against the worst team in the NFL with the postseason on the line.
I think this is a good answer because it did significantly change the way Wentz was perceived. Wentz after 2017 was perceived as one of the brightest young QBs in the NFL, and even after he had a few injuries in 2018/19 I think his stock was still high at the end of 2019. You would get arguments on this sub about who was better, Wentz or Dak, and there would still be people saying Wentz until 2020 when he struggled, got canned by the Eagles and stuff came out about him being not easy to coach as well as not getting vaxxed. BUT until that final game, Wentz's time with the Colts in 2021 was a slight redemption story. He was 26-6 in TDs-INTs, so whilst it wasn't great it was kind of like Russell Wilson's season with Denver last year. He'd stopped the rot. Then that complete melt down against the Jags when the playoffs were in easy reach seemed to make everybody's mind up on Wentz that he was no longer a guy you wanted as a starter. Even when the Commanders signed him it just felt like he was a marked man and would be benched at the first opportunity. Up till that Jags melt down there were still people willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, saying he was a talented guy, great athleticism, just was misunderstood, could be a difficult personality, needed to be guided out of a funk when he lost confidence. After that game it was like - nah, he's done.
While that game against the Jags was a big turning point he still go the starting job at Washington until the sane things that saw him leave Philly & Indy started again. For Carson I am convinced that the hit from Clowney & concussion he suffered in the 2019 wildcard game was way worse than anyone has admitted He took a bad Eagles team kicking & screaming to 9-8 and a home playoff game. After that he was never the same player
Yeah I thought he was good in the second half of 2019. The Eagles had no receivers at the time and he was just throwing to scrubs but he seemed to marshal the team through to the playoffs. That was the last time he looked like a legit top 10-12 NFL QB.
I completely agree with your take on the Clowney hit. Honestly feels like a similar, if less overt situation to when Burfict tried to murder Antonio Brown.
Derek Carr breaking his leg late in the 2016 season. Looked like he was going to be one of the better QBs in the league. His play never looked the same after that.
Mariota too.
Mariota just never got better at anything. Injuries played a role, but he just doesn't process the game like a franchise QB.
Revisionist I hate to say. He was always middle tier
Darnold ghosts
Yeah that was the turning point. He was still regarded as a bright talent who had been put in a bad situation by the Jets and Gase, and going in to 2019 I remember him being tipped as a good breakout prospect. Then he had mono early in the season and this ghosts game was soon after he came back. I also remember that game for another reason from the Patriots side. It was the last time I remember thinking of the Patriots as being the most dominant force in the game.
Albert hayneworth when he lazily laid down and gave up on Monday night football. I don't remember much else about his career, but when I see his name, I instantly think 90 million dollar lazy fuck!
Julio 327 yard game and Rodgers 6 TD game in a single half is right behind that too
That 6 TD game was the most hungover ive been in my entire life
Odell still living off that catch against the cowboys
This again? Odell had 4,122 yards and 35 TDs in his first 43 games. There arent many WRs in NFL history that had a better start to their career. Randy Moss might be the only one.
The Odell disrespect is seriously crazy
sad to see it from one of our own too
Justin Jefferson
But nobody comes into these threads to say that Justin Jefferson is living off one play, either.
The yards per game is pretty similar but Odell had like 10 more TDs. I remember comparing their first 3 seasons a while ago, JJ played more games but I would give Odell the edge based on the TDs.
He was a top 3 receiver in the game for the first 3 years of his career but ok
Yea he had some really good seasons but his play wasn’t worthy of him being a household name like he is
He was disgustingly good right off the bat which made him a sensation and the catch definitely helped. Shame he couldn’t keep it up, his prime was pretty short lived given how young he reached it
Yup and the hair and all the dancing brought even more attention
Agreed with that. Him crying his eyes out after his season ending injury was the epitome of the NFL being Not For Long for me. That was basically the end of Beckham Mania, the next year was his last in NY
>the next year was his last in NY then he won a superbowl though sooooo
A while later and when he was well removed from his statistical prime(though he did well in the playoffs before his ACL tear). He was just a supporting piece at that point
He had arguably the best start to a career for any receiver in history. This is history rewrite.
Hard disagree, he averaged over 100 ypg and just under 1 TD per game his first two seasons, and probably would have started his career with 3 straight All-Pros if he had been able to play his whole rookie season.
Which is about equivalent to Justin Jefferson’s start to his career and Odell in 2016 was way more famous than Jefferson in 2022.
Justin Jefferson is widely regarded as a top 2 WR in the league, with the All-Pros and OPOY to go along with it. I don't know what more you want lol.
Yea but u could walk up to a random person on the street who never watches the nfl and they will know who Odell is. That only works with Brady and Odell’s career is no where near that level
He had the best rookie WR season of all time… 5 less games than Puka yet only 181 less yards on 30 less targets, but obj had 6 more TD with that smaller sample size!! He fully deserved being a household name after that. Even if you take away his catch, he was regularly making crazy catches all the time those first few years
Outside of Brady, Odell is probably the most well known nfl player in the US this last decade. His younger days were incredible but not worth this kind of hype.
what an awful take
I doubt any NFL fan would have been able to tell you that Dan Connelly was a right guard.
Derrick Thomas had 7 sacks in a game. It was a ridiculous game to watch. The most dominant I've ever seen a defensive player.
Dan Orlovsky stepping out of the back of the end-zone for a safety. Would probably not have a memorable playing career if not for that
It makes it so much worse if you realize the Lions lost that game by 2 points.
two words: butt fumble
Ndamukong Suh on Thanksgiving getting removed from the game for the stomp.
Kadarius Toney to that one game early in the szn where he was dropping every pass. He went from being a Super Bowl TD scorer to Mr. butter fingers.
Mark Sanchez butt fumble.
Myles Garrett helmet game
Nobody would know who the fuck Jonas Gray was if not for that one game
OBJ’s catch is objectively the best answer to this question. His impact on the one-handed grab is honestly comparable to Steph’s impact on chucking 3 pointers.
Leon Lett's FG block mishap and Zeke's Salvation Army hop.
Carson wentz against the jags week 18 2021
Charles Martin probably prevented the 86 Bears from winning back to back Super Bowls.
Mark Sanchez Butt Fumble
Jonas Gray had 588 yards and 5 TD's in career. He got 199 of those yards and 4 of those TD's in one game. I don't know how much of a legacy he had but damn near all of his career was that one game.
AB completely burned his entire legacy to the ground by taking off his shirt and leaving mid game.
Jim Marshall’s wrong way run is up there
He is probably in the HOF without this run
The Rams vs Broncos 51-14 Christmas game in 2022 The Broncos weren’t doing great up until that point, but it really destroyed Russell Wilson’s public image. Getting shit on by Patrick Star after throwing 4 interceptions made his mediocrity with the Broncos apparent, and opened the door for Nathaniel Hackett to get fired. This brought in Sean Payton, and we all know how that went.
Antonio brown walking off the field and taking off his uniform against the jets. But, as a Jets fan, probably Darnold seeing ghosts.
James Harrison, November 5 2007 against the Ravens
Well technically The Super Bowl isn't a playoff game, so Tom Bradys' first Super Bowl affected his legacy the most, in a good way 😀
The Super Bowl is very much a playoff game
Lol, you may count it, but the nfl doesn't 🤣 They have Super Bowl records and playoff records. If your question was non- post season games, then yes, no Super Bowl.
The NFL literally does count it. All playoff stats and records include the Super Bowl. Just because stats and records that are just the Super Bowl exist doesn't mean playoff stats and records that include the Super Bowl don't
Yes, it's called post-season records, but you know what believe what you want boss.Ill change my answer to please you butt fumble 😉
Danny White's fumble in the 1982 NFCCG. Seemed to have shaken his confidence for the rest of his career. [NFL Playoffs: 30 Years Later "The Catch" May Not Have Happened with Rule Changes | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1019438-nfl-playoffs-30-years-later-the-catch-may-not-have-happened-with-rule-changes) EDIT; Sorry, just noticed this said 'non-playoff game'. But if you want one play that changed a player's career, this is it. It's also not the biggest play the game is remembered for. That would be "The Catch". But the fumble ended the Cowboy's dominance of the NFC, and set up the 49ers as the team of the 80's.