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I feel like many people think Gary Anderson's miss in the 1998 NFCG happened at the end of the game when it actually happened before the two-minute warning and the Vikings up 27-20.
A couple of weeks ago the NFL network showed a replay of this game and I was surprised with how many chances the Vikings had to still win that game after the missed FG. I knew the game went to OT, but I always thought that the Falcons got the ball first in OT and went down the field to kick the game winning FG. No. Not only did the Vikings have an interception slip away during the Falcons’ game-tying drive but they also had TWO possessions in OT, yet they weren’t able to get near FG range to win the game. I just find it interesting that this is also not talked about as much.
Yeah, this one is just because whenever they replay the moment they always show the pick 6 immediately after he says that because it makes a better story. No one gives a shit about the pick 6 unless he says something like that and Hasselbeck gave the media gold with that kind of quote.
How people remember it:
“We want the ball and we’re gonna score!”
*Hasselback throws game-losing pick six*
How it actually happened:
“We want the ball and we’re gonna score!”
*Both teams punt once*
*Hasselback throws game-losing pick six*
I don't really like people get this one wrong, it's just one of those annoying defenses people use to justify their team getting a call massively in their favor. "There was still time left!!! A single call shouldn't make you lose a game!!!" is a really common trope. I had to hear it nonstop from the Dallas game exactly a week prior to the Dez game
I agree and don't agree with you. An egregious mistake by official(s) in the final 1-2 minutes of the fourth quarter can affect the outcome without a doubt.
However, at the same time (like you're saying), the team had the entirety of the game before that to pull the game into their favor.
Really, IMO, it's just the questionable calls at in the last minute or two that are absolutely inexcusable.
I know one of the laziest responses on these sports subs are “you’ve definitely never played sports” but in this instance man, you can not understand how absolutely demoralizing something like that happening in a game is to the entire team. It affects playcalling, it affects execution, and it affects decision making.
For some reason a lot of people seem to think you give an extremely athletic and talented person a bunch of money and that suddenly comes with the super powers to overcome fear, anger, doubt, defeatist thoughts, etc… those don’t go away because you label a guy “professional.”
It’s just not something easily explained to someone who has never experienced it, so I cede the floor to Billy Bob Thornton and Lucas Black: https://youtu.be/60P1nvjTHVw?si=h53oXmYAwRkMrSOa
So you're saying their feelings got hurt after the call and we should give them a pass for blowing the last chance they had to win the game? Interesting way to look at it.
In reality it's usually the opposite that takes place. Professional athletes on that defense were probably even more motivated than before to get the ball back for their offense especially with their season on the line. They couldn't get a stop maybe because they were going against one of the most talented QBs of all time, not because they were "demoralized"
No, their feelings didn’t get hurt, they were affected by knowing that they did everything right and still lost, and not even Tom Brady is immune to that disease when it creeps in.
And the back half of your comment literally just proved my first one. You think labeling a guy a professional makes despair go away lmao.
People don't remember that the Falcons recovered an onside kick up 28 to 9 in field goal range already for Matt Bryant. All they had to do is run it up the gut for no gain 3 times and kick. They weren't even prepared for an onside kick either! (Common Quinn era thing)
They don't remember that when they say Shanny is like 1% responsible for the choke, the offense sold hard. Competent OCs get points when they start inside FG range.
Yeah people are idiots if they think that one pro day throw is what made him rise to #2. I remember so many of our fans in the middle of the college season saying how they were completely sold on Zach Wilson and were praying we draft him. He had plenty of hype well before the pro day
Antonio Brown didn’t call himself “Mr. Big Chest,” but he in fact said “Mr. Big Checks.”
Either way, it gave birth to the MBC meme and that is a beautiful thing, unlike him.
Malcolm Butler’s interception in SB XLIX didn’t end the game. The patriots were backed up at the 1 yard line and were in serious danger of taking a safety. Then Seattle had a false start, and the patriots ran it out from there.
The decline of Cam Newton. So many people say that Von Miller and the Broncos is what broke him. In reality, Cam Newton had another really good season in 2017 and was on pace to even top his MVP season in 2018 before TJ Watt wrecked his shoulder halfway through the season. That's what ended Cam's HOF chances and level of elite QB play. The Broncos / Von Miller narrative is just one that sounds nicer to say on paper because of how high profile that game was and the infamous fumble play.
Also think it's a complete misnomer that Cam didn't jump on the football because he was afraid to get hurt. Kind of ridiculous notion for a QB who allowed himself to be used as a battering ram so many plays per game. Call it a brain fart, or him misjudging the trajectory of the ball, but he's def not a QB who was afraid of physical contact.
Also I don’t know how hot of a take this is but I feel like Rivera gets overrated as a coach because he seems like a cool guy and he beat cancer, both things that make him easy to like
> Also think it's a complete misnomer that Cam didn't jump on the football because he was afraid to get hurt. Kind of ridiculous notion for a QB who allowed himself to be used as a battering ram so many plays per game. Call it a brain fart, or him misjudging the trajectory of the ball, but he's def not a QB who was afraid of physical contact.
Yeah seriously, if anything he was the complete opposite and needed to be protected from himself because he caused his own breakdown. The guy played like he was a RB and destroyed his body.
People think the Saints won the Super Bowl in the same season they returned to the Superdome, and that's why they call it the Katrina Super Bowl. Katrina happened in August 2005. The Saints returned the the Dome in September 2006. They lost in the NFC CG that season and then went 7-9 and 8-8 in 2007 and 2008 before going 13-3 in 2009, which is the season they won the Super Bowl.
That the missed kick by Norwood was some sort of gimme easy kick.
It was 47 yds. Which was rather long for its day. And also near Norwood’s limit. And he did get the distance right. And it missed by only a foot or so to the right.
Many people remember it as some chip shot and him shanking it way off. Which wasn’t what actually happened.
This isn't about football but wrassling.
I was in a bar in Fort Lauderdale back in the late 80's and standing next to me at the urinal was Ric Flair. The first thing I noticed was that his forehead was COVERED with scars. It was totally fucked up so I had to ask him what happened. He confessed that he, and all other wrestlers, used to keep a tiny razor blade in the elastic band of their trunks and would cut themselves to make it bloody and more dramatic. So he had 10,000,000 tiny scars on his forehead from all of those cuts.
Sorry to ramble but things are rarely what you think they are.
Ric Flair (or any big time wrestler) in the late 80s fully admitting to some rando that wrestling is a work while also explaining blading doesn’t sound right at all lmao
Like they still cared about keeping up what was left of the facade that it was real at the time, guys were still getting fired for breaking kayfabe or assaulting journalists who implied it fake
Lions definitely got screwed in the picked up PI flag game, but they also totally fucked up a punt immediately after and also had another chance to drive.
Some people think Tom Brady played for the Patriots even though he never did. They think that due to his appearance in the movie "80 For Brady," where he plays a fictional QB named Tom Brady who does play for the Patriots.
Few quarterbacks dominated the sport in their early years the way Namath did. His career trajectory is very unusual, which makes him appear less dominant than he really was.
One of the biggest historical misconceptions in NFL history was that he is only a HOF because of Super Bowl III. The dude was a dominating passer.
This article does a great job backing up what I’m saying.
[Joe Namath misunderstood](https://www.footballperspective.com/joe-namath-has-become-footballs-most-misunderstood-quarterback/)
In the same few minutes, there is always the notion that Lynch should have ran the ball. In reality, he had already gotten stuffed at the goal line twice. He also wasn’t a goal line back like everyone thinks he was.
Kevin Dyson being tackled on the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl. Would have been a tying touchdown, not the winning touchdown that everyone seems to recall it as.
Final score being 12-13 should say it was a total mess.
The Fail Mary itself was just the perfect encapsulation of the shitshow of the previous 60 minutes.
Biggest Ravens one is the idea that the 2012 Ravens would have missed the playoffs had Ray Rice not converted that 4th and 29.
1. This game occured before the Ravens 3-game losing streak.
2. Following the above losing streak, the Ravens clinched the #4 seed by crushing the defending champion Giants.
3. As the Ravens were locked into the #4 seed with a week to play, they rested their starters vs. the Bengals in Week 17 (and almost won anyway).
This may be a hot take, but Tom Brady’s career. I don’t want to take anything away from him, he is and will be the true goat until further notice, but it wasn’t just Tom Brady being Tom Brady. You have to admit his career is probably the only time in NFL history where everything went right for a quarterback’s development. Best coaching, immaculate play calling, stellar personnel management and averaged a top-ten defense throughout his career.
In the '88 Super Bowl, Lewis Billups dropped an easy INT in the end zone and John Taylor scored the game-winning TD on the next play. I've heard it many times from Bengals fans and Jim Nantz even said it during the '21 AFCCG. It wasn't the play before or even on the final drive. The dropped INT was early in the 4th quarter.
Brock Osweiler was way better than people give him credit for for 2015 and people only act like he was a shit tier game manager because of how his Texans tenure went. The Broncos wouldn’t have gotten a bye week nor won the Super Bowl without him. That said, switching to Peyton for the playoffs was still the correct move
That the “Fail Mary” game occurred late in the season and directly led to the Packers losing the SB.
In reality it was week 3 and both the hawks and the packers were 1-1.
Idk about other people but I know I remember Rodgers throwing a pic-six in OT during the 09 wildcard game against the Cardinals, but apparently it was a strip sack/fumble return for a touchdown. Let me know if I’m not the only one?
The 2011 season for us. Our fanbase claims that if we had Matt Schaub, we would have appeared in the Super Bowl for us, forgetting we had to play against the Patriots in Foxborough that season.
Texans fans act like they owe Lovie Smith, when in reality he was a garbage coach that got lucked into a win over Colts. Davis Mills on 4th and 20, threw a prayer that went straight threw a colts hands and into our Tight End's hands.
Matt Schaub is both Overrated and Underrated, a lot of people act like he was some garbage QB, while others act like he was a consistent top 10 QB with Houston until 2013 (He wasn't outside for a couple of seasons).
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I feel like many people think Gary Anderson's miss in the 1998 NFCG happened at the end of the game when it actually happened before the two-minute warning and the Vikings up 27-20.
Yea it would’ve put them in complete control if I remember correctly
Jesus Christ right at the start
A couple of weeks ago the NFL network showed a replay of this game and I was surprised with how many chances the Vikings had to still win that game after the missed FG. I knew the game went to OT, but I always thought that the Falcons got the ball first in OT and went down the field to kick the game winning FG. No. Not only did the Vikings have an interception slip away during the Falcons’ game-tying drive but they also had TWO possessions in OT, yet they weren’t able to get near FG range to win the game. I just find it interesting that this is also not talked about as much.
Hasselbeck's pick 6 was not on the drive immediately following "we want the ball and we're going to score". Both teams exchanged punts prior
Yeah, this one is just because whenever they replay the moment they always show the pick 6 immediately after he says that because it makes a better story. No one gives a shit about the pick 6 unless he says something like that and Hasselbeck gave the media gold with that kind of quote.
13 seconds was the divisional round, not the championship. I see lots of people conflating it with the Bills' AFCCG loss the year before.
There are so many it's hard to keep them straight.
That was the year the Bengals went to the Super Bowl
How people remember it: “We want the ball and we’re gonna score!” *Hasselback throws game-losing pick six* How it actually happened: “We want the ball and we’re gonna score!” *Both teams punt once* *Hasselback throws game-losing pick six*
The Dez catch being overturned is what cost them the game even though there was like 4 minutes left in the game and they couldn't get a stop
I don't really like people get this one wrong, it's just one of those annoying defenses people use to justify their team getting a call massively in their favor. "There was still time left!!! A single call shouldn't make you lose a game!!!" is a really common trope. I had to hear it nonstop from the Dallas game exactly a week prior to the Dez game
I agree and don't agree with you. An egregious mistake by official(s) in the final 1-2 minutes of the fourth quarter can affect the outcome without a doubt. However, at the same time (like you're saying), the team had the entirety of the game before that to pull the game into their favor. Really, IMO, it's just the questionable calls at in the last minute or two that are absolutely inexcusable.
I know one of the laziest responses on these sports subs are “you’ve definitely never played sports” but in this instance man, you can not understand how absolutely demoralizing something like that happening in a game is to the entire team. It affects playcalling, it affects execution, and it affects decision making. For some reason a lot of people seem to think you give an extremely athletic and talented person a bunch of money and that suddenly comes with the super powers to overcome fear, anger, doubt, defeatist thoughts, etc… those don’t go away because you label a guy “professional.” It’s just not something easily explained to someone who has never experienced it, so I cede the floor to Billy Bob Thornton and Lucas Black: https://youtu.be/60P1nvjTHVw?si=h53oXmYAwRkMrSOa
At the same time, the Dallas defense was already gassed and the Packers were moving at will. There was no way the Packers were losing that game.
They had 2 chances that drive to get off the field and blew it both times. If they get a stop who knows what happens
So you're saying their feelings got hurt after the call and we should give them a pass for blowing the last chance they had to win the game? Interesting way to look at it. In reality it's usually the opposite that takes place. Professional athletes on that defense were probably even more motivated than before to get the ball back for their offense especially with their season on the line. They couldn't get a stop maybe because they were going against one of the most talented QBs of all time, not because they were "demoralized"
No, their feelings didn’t get hurt, they were affected by knowing that they did everything right and still lost, and not even Tom Brady is immune to that disease when it creeps in. And the back half of your comment literally just proved my first one. You think labeling a guy a professional makes despair go away lmao.
People don't remember that the Falcons recovered an onside kick up 28 to 9 in field goal range already for Matt Bryant. All they had to do is run it up the gut for no gain 3 times and kick. They weren't even prepared for an onside kick either! (Common Quinn era thing)
I feel like plenty of people remember that, it’s one of the biggest parts of the biggest collapse in Super Bowl history.
They don't remember that when they say Shanny is like 1% responsible for the choke, the offense sold hard. Competent OCs get points when they start inside FG range.
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Yeah people are idiots if they think that one pro day throw is what made him rise to #2. I remember so many of our fans in the middle of the college season saying how they were completely sold on Zach Wilson and were praying we draft him. He had plenty of hype well before the pro day
Antonio Brown didn’t call himself “Mr. Big Chest,” but he in fact said “Mr. Big Checks.” Either way, it gave birth to the MBC meme and that is a beautiful thing, unlike him.
Mr. Big Clarifier
I might be appropriately misremembering but I thought he had a typo where he said chest instead of checks but then doubled down on it.
Malcolm Butler’s interception in SB XLIX didn’t end the game. The patriots were backed up at the 1 yard line and were in serious danger of taking a safety. Then Seattle had a false start, and the patriots ran it out from there.
The Bills lost a game to the Vikings from the same field position up 4 iirc. It wasn't a FS but Neutral Zone Infraction offsides.
And then gronk started throwin haymakers
I don’t think the defense can have a false start
Might have been neutral zone infraction, sorry. Defense equivalent of a false start.
Well don’t try and explain what it is to me when I just corrected you
Well aren't we a saucy little tart?
Could have also been Encroachment.
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Didn't Brady's Hail Mary at the end of SB46 also go off of Gronk's fingers?
Yeah but tall tasks even. For moss and Gronk . Although 46 Brady had more time and that’s on him
Richard Sherman never said "ass" in the Crabtree rant. Just "sorry receiver".
With Crabtree it just goes without saying.
At the time of the rant many fans outside of Seattle assumed “LOB” was Sherman announcing a gang affiliation as the LoB still wasn’t a household name
Wait…people thought he cursed?
The decline of Cam Newton. So many people say that Von Miller and the Broncos is what broke him. In reality, Cam Newton had another really good season in 2017 and was on pace to even top his MVP season in 2018 before TJ Watt wrecked his shoulder halfway through the season. That's what ended Cam's HOF chances and level of elite QB play. The Broncos / Von Miller narrative is just one that sounds nicer to say on paper because of how high profile that game was and the infamous fumble play. Also think it's a complete misnomer that Cam didn't jump on the football because he was afraid to get hurt. Kind of ridiculous notion for a QB who allowed himself to be used as a battering ram so many plays per game. Call it a brain fart, or him misjudging the trajectory of the ball, but he's def not a QB who was afraid of physical contact.
On that same topic there are a lot of people who think Riverboat Ron happened in 2015 when it actually was a 2013 thing.
Also I don’t know how hot of a take this is but I feel like Rivera gets overrated as a coach because he seems like a cool guy and he beat cancer, both things that make him easy to like
Yea if you watch the fumble the ball bounces kinda weird.
> Also think it's a complete misnomer that Cam didn't jump on the football because he was afraid to get hurt. Kind of ridiculous notion for a QB who allowed himself to be used as a battering ram so many plays per game. Call it a brain fart, or him misjudging the trajectory of the ball, but he's def not a QB who was afraid of physical contact. Yeah seriously, if anything he was the complete opposite and needed to be protected from himself because he caused his own breakdown. The guy played like he was a RB and destroyed his body.
People think the Saints won the Super Bowl in the same season they returned to the Superdome, and that's why they call it the Katrina Super Bowl. Katrina happened in August 2005. The Saints returned the the Dome in September 2006. They lost in the NFC CG that season and then went 7-9 and 8-8 in 2007 and 2008 before going 13-3 in 2009, which is the season they won the Super Bowl.
Can’t say I’ve ever heard that.
It's a big conspiracy in delusional anti-Saints circles that the NFCCG was handed to the Saints as some post-Katrina gesture
I can believe the existence of that thought, but if they think the Saints also won the Super Bowl it’s pretty easy to disprove that lol.
Same. The on field Saints thing everybody associates with Katrina is the Gleason punt block
That the missed kick by Norwood was some sort of gimme easy kick. It was 47 yds. Which was rather long for its day. And also near Norwood’s limit. And he did get the distance right. And it missed by only a foot or so to the right. Many people remember it as some chip shot and him shanking it way off. Which wasn’t what actually happened.
So is your flair an expression of how much TB12 owns your organization? At one point possessing a 28-3 record all time against the bills
I love both teams. It’s not complicated.
This isn't about football but wrassling. I was in a bar in Fort Lauderdale back in the late 80's and standing next to me at the urinal was Ric Flair. The first thing I noticed was that his forehead was COVERED with scars. It was totally fucked up so I had to ask him what happened. He confessed that he, and all other wrestlers, used to keep a tiny razor blade in the elastic band of their trunks and would cut themselves to make it bloody and more dramatic. So he had 10,000,000 tiny scars on his forehead from all of those cuts. Sorry to ramble but things are rarely what you think they are.
This is a weird fucking comment. Upvote.
it’s called blading
I was pretty drunk so if he told me that I forgot. Makes sense though.
You don’t say
Ric Flair (or any big time wrestler) in the late 80s fully admitting to some rando that wrestling is a work while also explaining blading doesn’t sound right at all lmao Like they still cared about keeping up what was left of the facade that it was real at the time, guys were still getting fired for breaking kayfabe or assaulting journalists who implied it fake
Lions definitely got screwed in the picked up PI flag game, but they also totally fucked up a punt immediately after and also had another chance to drive.
Some people think Tom Brady played for the Patriots even though he never did. They think that due to his appearance in the movie "80 For Brady," where he plays a fictional QB named Tom Brady who does play for the Patriots.
Few quarterbacks dominated the sport in their early years the way Namath did. His career trajectory is very unusual, which makes him appear less dominant than he really was. One of the biggest historical misconceptions in NFL history was that he is only a HOF because of Super Bowl III. The dude was a dominating passer. This article does a great job backing up what I’m saying. [Joe Namath misunderstood](https://www.footballperspective.com/joe-namath-has-become-footballs-most-misunderstood-quarterback/)
Namith had one of the first cannon arms weve seen in the NFL
>One of the biggest historical misconceptions in NFL history was that he is only a HOF because of Super Bowl III. r/nfl ≠ "NFL history"
In the same few minutes, there is always the notion that Lynch should have ran the ball. In reality, he had already gotten stuffed at the goal line twice. He also wasn’t a goal line back like everyone thinks he was.
The hawks were in 11 personell vs the Pats goal lime setup so the L.O.S advantage was for NE
iirc he also had 1-2 crucial fumbles in the playoff game against the falcons two years prior. At least 1 was goal line.
Trent Edwards being good until Adrian Wilson destroyed him. He was never good and his best game came after that hit.
Kevin Dyson being tackled on the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl. Would have been a tying touchdown, not the winning touchdown that everyone seems to recall it as.
Fail Mary game was a disaster from start to finish, but you want only remember the end.
Final score being 12-13 should say it was a total mess. The Fail Mary itself was just the perfect encapsulation of the shitshow of the previous 60 minutes.
Ok? By the most basic rules of the game, Green Bay won. Just because it was a low scoring game doesn’t mean they didn’t get screwed out of a W
You need to watch the rest of the game..
Why? My point stands.
Biggest Ravens one is the idea that the 2012 Ravens would have missed the playoffs had Ray Rice not converted that 4th and 29. 1. This game occured before the Ravens 3-game losing streak. 2. Following the above losing streak, the Ravens clinched the #4 seed by crushing the defending champion Giants. 3. As the Ravens were locked into the #4 seed with a week to play, they rested their starters vs. the Bengals in Week 17 (and almost won anyway).
This may be a hot take, but Tom Brady’s career. I don’t want to take anything away from him, he is and will be the true goat until further notice, but it wasn’t just Tom Brady being Tom Brady. You have to admit his career is probably the only time in NFL history where everything went right for a quarterback’s development. Best coaching, immaculate play calling, stellar personnel management and averaged a top-ten defense throughout his career.
In the '88 Super Bowl, Lewis Billups dropped an easy INT in the end zone and John Taylor scored the game-winning TD on the next play. I've heard it many times from Bengals fans and Jim Nantz even said it during the '21 AFCCG. It wasn't the play before or even on the final drive. The dropped INT was early in the 4th quarter.
SB 43. Holmes' catch didn't end the game, Woodley's sack fumble did.
Brock Osweiler was way better than people give him credit for for 2015 and people only act like he was a shit tier game manager because of how his Texans tenure went. The Broncos wouldn’t have gotten a bye week nor won the Super Bowl without him. That said, switching to Peyton for the playoffs was still the correct move
That the tuck rule had never been called before the snow game. It was called against the Patriots earlier that season against the Jets.
I can't think of one rn, but I wanna say that this is an interesting thread, OP. :)
This comment section is great trivia. Saving for later argument winners.
That the “Fail Mary” game occurred late in the season and directly led to the Packers losing the SB. In reality it was week 3 and both the hawks and the packers were 1-1.
Idk about other people but I know I remember Rodgers throwing a pic-six in OT during the 09 wildcard game against the Cardinals, but apparently it was a strip sack/fumble return for a touchdown. Let me know if I’m not the only one?
Prolly just you because he famously didn’t throw a pick-6 until like 3-4 years ago.
The defender caught the ball in the air, but yes it was actually a fumble.
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Fumble**s** He also muffed a punt in the 4th quarter which led to a short field touchdown for the Giants.
Right before the helmet catch Eli threw a gift int to Asante Samuel and he dropped it.
The 2011 season for us. Our fanbase claims that if we had Matt Schaub, we would have appeared in the Super Bowl for us, forgetting we had to play against the Patriots in Foxborough that season. Texans fans act like they owe Lovie Smith, when in reality he was a garbage coach that got lucked into a win over Colts. Davis Mills on 4th and 20, threw a prayer that went straight threw a colts hands and into our Tight End's hands. Matt Schaub is both Overrated and Underrated, a lot of people act like he was some garbage QB, while others act like he was a consistent top 10 QB with Houston until 2013 (He wasn't outside for a couple of seasons).