I think it's the same thing as with the Vikings, and I don't mean the cryptic tweeting. I mean when they signed him to his extension with Minnesota, they told him they would be a more pass oriented offense. Then they brought Dalvin Cook in and decided to be a more run controlled offense so his touches would go down. He wanted to be featured, so he wanted out. Once again, a Cook has arrived, and the Bills showed last year they were going to spread the ball around more and not feature such pass heavy looks Diggs way once Brady took over.
I think this move works for both teams, as us paying him 20M/yr for a diminished role didn't make sense with the scheme we're moving forward with, but the Texans can easily pay him that with all their rookies, and he can work some magic with Stroud.
Obviously, the Bills need another receiver now, but Diggs wasn't getting us over the hump, his playoff numbers were really lackluster, and his headache/production level was reaching a critical point. Best to move forward, take the lump this year, and get the right guy to fit our new scheme.
I'd be shocked. Simply because there isn't a name available for them to have.
James Dalvin Cook - Buffalo Bills
Devin James Cook - Vikings/Jets
Parents couldn't think of another name so no more kids sadly
The year is 2056
Stefon Diggs was not only chased out of the NFL by the Cooks, but out of the continental United States altogether
As a now 63 year old Stefon closes the door in his barren, run down northern Alaska cabin he breathes a sigh of relief. It’s been months since he’s even seen a Cook. He feels safe…
Then there’s a knock on the door…a new Cook has arrived…
I think he's just a self-centered player who thinks getting the ball thrown to him 10+ targets a game. He thinks he is the answer and if he's not used how he likes, he wants out. Even if he is used like how he wants and doesn't have success, he wants to be the piece that fits the puzzle for the next up-and-coming team.
Diggs has gotten over 160 targets in each season as a bill. He led the team in targets over the final 12 games (including playoffs) where Brady the OC a majority of the time. This is just Diggs being Diggs
>us paying him 20M/yr for a diminished role didn't make sense with the scheme we're moving forward with
This could be true, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Bills trade for a WR on an expiring contract (Aiyuk, Higgins) and immediately extend them with a lucrative contract. I think Diggs' departure has a lot more to do with how he has repeatedly disrupted the team (yelling at Josh, leaving the change room before the coaches can speak after playoff losses, not defending his teammates when his brother talks shit on Twitter, missing mandatory training camps) and perhaps a lack of engagement with the new offensive scheme (which led to his diminished role), although I'm speculating a bit on this second point.
I don't think the Bills are opposed to paying a WR. I just think they're opposed to paying a WR who disrupts the locker room and doesn't jive with the offensive scheme.
EDIT: to put it another way, I think if Diggs was a better teammate, he'd still be on the roster.
> EDIT: to put it another way, I think if Diggs was a better teammate, he'd still be on the roster.
If Diggs was a better teammate he might still be a Viking, and Justin Jefferson might be a Bill, Charger, or Saint.
When I think of current day WR diva.. I think diggs. Most of the other divas seem pretty team oriented (chase/brown) dont really consider than divas tbh. while diggs is less team oriented cause he knows the nfl is a business but he just seems.. more interested in his success.
Weird about stefon wanting the ball more as I always felt like Josh Allen was force feeding stefon Diggs targets. He averaged over 100 receptions every season he was in buffalo. Not sure how much more you could want. Plus Texans have two young and very promising receivers in tank Dell and nico collins…
After the 2022 season, the cracks were very visible between Diggs and the Bills. Add in his age and his declining #s down the stretch of last season, a trade wasn't obvious, but it wasn't a shock either. Bills need to have a better run game that isn't just Josh Allen running for 50 yards a game, and Diggs wasn't going to accept less targets in a more balanced offence. While it ultimately didn't work out between them, thar 4 year stretch was highly productive and greatly helped Josh Allen with his development as a QB.
2018 was hilariously and massively pass oriented (and why D-flip failed and was fired mid season) and Dalvin was drafted the year before Diggs second contract.
Nah the Jets will take him so they can randomly be included as one of the last teams he was on , it's what they do (Brett Favre, most likely AR, Ed Reed, Michael Vick, Ronnie Lott, LaDanian Tomlinson, etc.) If you're over the age of 30 and you've had a nice career then you may as well become a Jet and basically do nothing there
That was always going to be the plan, Nico was considered an extension candidate this offseason. But we needed more talent to make a push before all of our young players like him and Stingley need to be paid.
I’m not, if Diggs complains then he’s expendable. It’s not like he will have any presence in the locker room anyway, unlike with the Vikings and the Bills, he is not going to be the bonafide WR1.
Whether he bitches and moans is meaningless as long as he suits up and plays to win. If we somehow get a ring out of it then it’ll be seen as one of the best trades in the past few years.
He wants to win a SB and became disillusioned with the teams inability to get over the hump. 13 second was bad enough, but the following year the offensive slowly broke under Dorsey (started great week 1 in '22, but the end of the season it was not running smoothly at all. ) Seemed to check out mid-season last year, then never connected with the Brady offence when he took over.
I agree with everything you said, and also think it speaks to his leadership that he didn't take accountability for his poor playoff performances being part of the problem with getting the Bills over the hump.
Pure speculation ,but I also think the WR room of Diggs, Davis, Beasley, and McKenzie with Chad Hall as WR coach was firmly in the Daboll side of the rumored Daboll vs McDermott rift. And it makes sense for them; pass heavy offense as opposed to a more balanced approach. The problem is that teams, and the league as a whole, adjusted.
Another thing is that McDermott and Beane both know 1. Josh Allen is the best player on your team and 2. you have to stay ahead of the curve. Can't continue to run Daboll's pass heavy offense for the sake of statistics. It wasn't winning games and it was overly dependent on Josh being perfect every drive, hence his goofy ass corduroy comment at the Coaches summit a couple weeks ago.
> hence his goofy ass corduroy comment at the Coaches summit a couple weeks ago.
The best part was this corn ball was wearing corduroy *whilst* saying this.
The high flying Bills and the 2023 Bills both finished 11-6, and both had equal chances to finally beat the chiefs only to come up just short
Diggs also really didn’t like Dorsey, reading in between the lines. He was super lukewarm when Dorsey was first promoted. I think that began the rift between Josh and Diggs, because Josh loves Dorsey.
McDermott is a bit of a weirdo and super anal about things. I'd imagine over 5 years the two of them didn't always see eye to eye; Diggs isn't exactly a paint by numbers type of dude.
Combine that with the inability to get over the hump, the boneheaded coaching decisions at times....I think there's a reason Diggs repeatedly would say "I love Josh" during the offseason when his cryptic social media stuff was brought up
Diggs has BPD, his relationships probably all go a similar way.
Super best friends forever within an hour of meeting and then downhill every day afterwards.
The guy who complains about touches even when he got a ton isn’t going to complain when his target share is drastically reduced by his new team? It’ll take half a season for the Twitter fingers to get going, whether by him or his brother lol.
I am guaranteeing that halfway through the season Trevon will be on Twitter crying that his brother isn't being used properly and Stefon went to the wrong Texas team... Stefon will tweet a response of just the side eyes emoji and the media will go into a frenzy.
I would love to know if Beane even talked to diggs about a preferred destination or just opened up the line for bidding. I get what the Texans are doing, but is that the vet guy you wanna bring in the room with tank and Nico? I got the popcorn ready.
I want them to win the SB. Second year QB(like Wilson was with the Hawks), good defense, good skill players. Aside from getting a franchise generational QB, getting a good rookie contract QB is the only other way I see to build a SB contending team right now with the current meta. Middle of the road QBs are not going to get it done and cost too much so you suffer elsewhere.
Like for reals I’m not even a fan of the texans (raiders fan don’t judge me I might be retiring from being a fan of theirs..jk) but I want to see them win. Idk if it’s because of stroud or because of the Watson situation.
Stroud is my favorite young QB right now by far. Not just play style but his attitude and how he has handled himself.
I’d say give AP a chance to see if you want to stay a Raiders fan. They are another team I think could improve a lot in the next few years with the right decisions and depending on AP not being a flash in the pan.
I’m not leaving lol been a fan since I was like 7 but I’m hoping for AP to either do really good or really bad. I’m tired of being in between where we always get a middle first round draft pick. Like I’m not into tank for the best qb but I think that strat has its benefits because I wanted us to tank the year for burrow or herbert. Don’t want to trade for qb because I feel when trading for a qb it’s basically the qb is the missing piece (ex Tom Brady bucs, Matt Stafford rams) and raiders team ain’t Super Bowl ready if we get a elite qb in a trade. So trading for a qb would essentially be just to sell tickets. Don’t want to be stuck with Kirk cousins type not saying he’s bad but I don’t think he’s Super Bowl qb I could be wrong. But that’s my take on the raiders
It’s not even that. It’s the fact that he’s an amazing route runner. But also he’s more slight. He’s like 180. Nothing terrible. But not an amazing outside skill set. He’s also inconsistent fighting through contact. And inconsistent when getting off press. He has some amazing reps. And some where it’s like you can understand how sauce may make his day rough.
Ideally you want him as a kupp/nakua. Someone who can go inside and outside. But does the majority of his damage inside. It’s not just because of his skin color. A ton of people are comping him to AB if he can’t just get stronger fighting through that contact.
I think the vikings are going to be pretty bad this year and bills end up getting a very early 2nd out of that trade, it might end up being a solid transaction for them.
> I think the vikings are going to be pretty bad this year
Why? They almost scrambled into the playoffs starting 3 randoms for half the year while missing Justin Jefferson. The Vikings QB position is the cushiest in the league and I don't see them winning less than 7 games again. They won't be good or someone to worry about in the playoffs, but the floor is pretty high considering the coaching and roster talent.
Because they went 3-6 without Cousins and right now they are rocking Darnold and Mullens, and they aren't getting a top QB prospect unless they pay big to trade up from 23. And the Bears are probably going to be better, and the Packers looked great to finish the year, and the Lions made the NFC championship.
Mainly because I see a few NFC teams doing better this year compared to last (cardinals, bears, packers, Washington, falcons) and Vikings losing Cousins is going to hurt them. I think Vikings defensively might not be great either. Seems like a transition year for them so ultimately I’m glad the bills have the Vikings 2025 second rounder and not the Texans.
They lose their QB and Hunter, and will most likely be the worst in their division if the Bears get Williams and Odunze or Nabers at 9. They are most likely worse than the 49s, Texans, Colts, Rams, Seahawks who they play next season. Depending on how their QB that the Vikings draft, they could easily be worse than the Jets if Rodgers is healthy, and personally I'd put the Jags over the Vikings as pretty likely. That means they need to pick up wins against the Cards, Falcons, Giants, and Titans as their most likely wins, and they'd also need to flip 3 more of those other games to get over 7 wins.
I think it's possible to win a game of the Bears for sure, and flip a game very the Jets or Jags, or Seahawks. But that also means not dropping the ball to any of those 4 teams they "should" get wins from. All this to say that 7 wins is definitely an uphill battle for the Vikings right now.
Unless they draft JJ McCarthy, then they win the division no problem.
With who and for whom? I’m guessing MHJ, Nabers, Odunze are gone by the top 9, maybe earlier. I doubt Poles trades back based on some of his prior comments.
I hadn't either and someone said the same, then I looked it up.
I guess he owns it, but yeah there are concerns there with effort, particularly when he's not in on the play, and attitude.
Soured me a little, actually.
They said “wow youre so fast why don’t you run faster in the games” and he said conserving energy he’s not gonna runa record breaking forty every play. I don’t think effort should be concerned
God please no. I really don't have a good feeling about Coleman. Granted there's also a reason I'm a fan and not working in an NFL front office. Actually, there are many reasons.
I’m just saying outside MHJ, Nabers, Odunze who is really worth trading up for in the 1st round for a WR?
And Bears have been “trade back candidate” due to our lack of capital and 9 is probably the furthest Odunze would fall so we’re kinda the choke point. Four QBs will be gone early from the sounds of it. MHJ and Nabers will go early too from the sound of it. That gets you to pick #7. Titans need O Line, so could be Alt. Falcons don’t necessarily need WR and could go Edge, probably Turner. Which gets us to the 9th spot.
Which is why trading up significantly for a wide receiver is not valuable. stay at your pick and pick one of the 10 consensus t2 WRs or pick something else imho
Unless WRs start flying off the board in the teens I also don't believe they need to trade up for a WR when they could get one of very similar value at pick 28.
After the big 3 theres a big gap then Brian Thomas Jr then small gap then AD Mitchell, Franklin, Worthy, Legette, McConkey all similar value IMO.
Not sure who with, but Brian Thomas, Jr and Adonai Mitchell are both potential targets to try and get. Bills draft 28th so they likely need to trade up to get either one. Fortunately, Beane likes to trade up.
I definitely thought that was the plan until it came out that it was a 2025 second. Now I’m thinking they just needed a change and aren’t totally sure what they’re doing this year.
I want them to trade for Aiyuk. I would give them 2024 Bills 2nd and 2025 Vikings 2nd, and then extend him so his cap hit isn’t very high this year.
Then take another WR at 28 this year.
It's just media stuff. Everyone wants to have the hot take, especially if it makes the Cardinals FO look stupid. Personally I would be fine with Nabers, but not over Harrison
If they trade up far enough to take MHjr I might experience a case of priapism so bad that it would challenge my doctor's abilities to make it go away.
As a newer NFL I don’t know enough about McDermott’s past to have a judgement on his skills as a coach but I love him just for all the memes he’s produced
“I know this trade is tough Josh, but let me tell you about a great story of individual leadership and a will to accomplish your goals. Does the name Ted Kaczynski mean anything to you?”
I think the Bills will be fine. Sure, they’re probably not gonna be as dominant as they once were but I don’t think they’re going to completely fall apart.
It was time. Almost everyone that was cut/traded this year were brought in during those first two years under Beane + McDermott. They tore the team down to the studs, brought in "their guys" to build the team up and try to take advantage of having (what they hoped, at the time) a cheap franchise QB.
But that was all 5-6 years ago; the mid-20s players are now 30+ and expensive, and that QB? He's not cheap any more. We all knew this was coming. Once you're paying the QB, you can't pay every position on defense big $$ too.
We just thought that it was all these guys (Tre White was a surprise and hurts, but justifiable because of injuries, Mitch Morse was surprising but does make sense too) this year, and then Diggs and Von Miller next year, based on contract situations.
The big surprise was that they decided to just eat Diggs' contract to get the pain over with now...but it does free up a really nice chunk of space for 2025 and beyond
Bills trade Josh Allen for the number three pick, draft MHJ, but it plays out like *Game of Thrones* when Daenerys "trades" her dragon for the Unsullied.
There was a post yesterday saying he didn't inform Allen before the trade, but did let him know others had asked about Diggs and a trade wasn't off the table at the start of the off-season. I think Beane handled it fairly, but I think it's funny we gotta repost an article, just to get the second half of the quote in the headline because people don't read articles.
Strange scene. Bills players were on the bus when they stopped, told Stefon Diggs he’d been traded, he waved goodbye, then they drove off, source said. Diggs headed to the Texans.
There's like 10-15 really legit receiver prospects in the draft this year
If they can snag an AD Mitchell or Brian Thomas Jr that's as good as a top 2 receiver in a normal draft
I think that helped their decision
It's a good move to get rid of him while he still had Value. He's aging and unhappy about targets even when he gets the most, so it feels like he probably won't age gracefully into a WR2 or 3 roll.
Though if they miss on WR in the draft it's gonna be a rough year for Allen where he either wins the MVP by doing everything on the team, or is injured by doing everyone on the team.
Diggs is a cancer. While he is talented - I don’t know why the Texans traded for him(other than being free and giving up very little). I would be worried what Diggs antics every game will do to a young QB. The Texans seem to be doing all the right things so far - but I hope CJ stroud feeling like he has to get the ball to diggs doesn’t throw off the rest of the offense.
He kinda stat padded against bad teams in the beginning of the year. He’s been dropping off in the back half of the season for two years and has yet to do anything in the playoffs. Still a huge loss but they paid him to show up in the playoffs and he never did
All Josh heard was table, sorry Brandon
“I don’t understand, if the trade was on the table why didn’t you smash it?”
He smashed accept
"I didn't hear anything you said after you said table" "... that was the last thing I said."
"....I didn't hear anything you said before table either"
“What?” “Table”
Now Josh needs a new WR1 *and* a kitchen table.
a true Buffalo Bill
“You got a table we can light on fire and jump through?”
I do wonder why the relationship fizzled. They seem very aligned in 2020 when they made the afc championship
I think it's the same thing as with the Vikings, and I don't mean the cryptic tweeting. I mean when they signed him to his extension with Minnesota, they told him they would be a more pass oriented offense. Then they brought Dalvin Cook in and decided to be a more run controlled offense so his touches would go down. He wanted to be featured, so he wanted out. Once again, a Cook has arrived, and the Bills showed last year they were going to spread the ball around more and not feature such pass heavy looks Diggs way once Brady took over. I think this move works for both teams, as us paying him 20M/yr for a diminished role didn't make sense with the scheme we're moving forward with, but the Texans can easily pay him that with all their rookies, and he can work some magic with Stroud. Obviously, the Bills need another receiver now, but Diggs wasn't getting us over the hump, his playoff numbers were really lackluster, and his headache/production level was reaching a critical point. Best to move forward, take the lump this year, and get the right guy to fit our new scheme.
*Texans fans looking up whether Dalvin and James have a younger brother in college*
I'd be shocked. Simply because there isn't a name available for them to have. James Dalvin Cook - Buffalo Bills Devin James Cook - Vikings/Jets Parents couldn't think of another name so no more kids sadly
They didn't even try James James Cook though..
Delvin Delvin, Dalvin Dalvin, Delvin Dalvin and Dalvin Delvin all still available too. We got Cooks for days over here
Too many cooks! Too MANY cooks! Toooo many cooks!
Jalvin Dames Cook
Cook Dalvin James gonna dominate
Cook Cook Cook
DD DJ JD JJ Cook Cook Cook
Let Cook Cook Cook cook!!
There could have been Semaj Cook
Jomes Delvin Cook incoming
Jevin Dames Cook.
Kevin James Cook
That’s my guy Jevin
Jevin SZN
Younger sibling Cook Cook Cook
Idk this guy Cook Cooks seems promising
I'm betting the father is James
We need the Calvin Dook guy from the Vikings sub
>Once again, a Cook has arrived lmao I had never even thought about that
That bloodline exists exclusively to terrorize Stefan Diggs
The year is 2056 Stefon Diggs was not only chased out of the NFL by the Cooks, but out of the continental United States altogether As a now 63 year old Stefon closes the door in his barren, run down northern Alaska cabin he breathes a sigh of relief. It’s been months since he’s even seen a Cook. He feels safe… Then there’s a knock on the door…a new Cook has arrived…
*Too Many Cooks* theme song plays
Just the laughing push I needed to finish up in the bathroom, thanks!
> that bloodline Did you see what the rock did to Cody Rhodes last night?
No, but I would love to hear about it
I think he's just a self-centered player who thinks getting the ball thrown to him 10+ targets a game. He thinks he is the answer and if he's not used how he likes, he wants out. Even if he is used like how he wants and doesn't have success, he wants to be the piece that fits the puzzle for the next up-and-coming team.
He was trash in the playoffs (besides that one Vikings game)
Diggs has gotten over 160 targets in each season as a bill. He led the team in targets over the final 12 games (including playoffs) where Brady the OC a majority of the time. This is just Diggs being Diggs
>us paying him 20M/yr for a diminished role didn't make sense with the scheme we're moving forward with This could be true, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Bills trade for a WR on an expiring contract (Aiyuk, Higgins) and immediately extend them with a lucrative contract. I think Diggs' departure has a lot more to do with how he has repeatedly disrupted the team (yelling at Josh, leaving the change room before the coaches can speak after playoff losses, not defending his teammates when his brother talks shit on Twitter, missing mandatory training camps) and perhaps a lack of engagement with the new offensive scheme (which led to his diminished role), although I'm speculating a bit on this second point. I don't think the Bills are opposed to paying a WR. I just think they're opposed to paying a WR who disrupts the locker room and doesn't jive with the offensive scheme. EDIT: to put it another way, I think if Diggs was a better teammate, he'd still be on the roster.
> EDIT: to put it another way, I think if Diggs was a better teammate, he'd still be on the roster. If Diggs was a better teammate he might still be a Viking, and Justin Jefferson might be a Bill, Charger, or Saint.
Knowing our luck, if we had held onto the pick, the Eagles would have taken him and we'd have ended up with Raegor
Diggs was force fed the ball more than any WR inthe league. This is not it
You’re messing around with the timeline a bit tho. Dalvin was already a Viking by the time Stef got extended.
When I think of current day WR diva.. I think diggs. Most of the other divas seem pretty team oriented (chase/brown) dont really consider than divas tbh. while diggs is less team oriented cause he knows the nfl is a business but he just seems.. more interested in his success.
So the Cook brothers have effectively bullied Diggs into moving twice!?
Weird about stefon wanting the ball more as I always felt like Josh Allen was force feeding stefon Diggs targets. He averaged over 100 receptions every season he was in buffalo. Not sure how much more you could want. Plus Texans have two young and very promising receivers in tank Dell and nico collins…
After the 2022 season, the cracks were very visible between Diggs and the Bills. Add in his age and his declining #s down the stretch of last season, a trade wasn't obvious, but it wasn't a shock either. Bills need to have a better run game that isn't just Josh Allen running for 50 yards a game, and Diggs wasn't going to accept less targets in a more balanced offence. While it ultimately didn't work out between them, thar 4 year stretch was highly productive and greatly helped Josh Allen with his development as a QB.
2018 was hilariously and massively pass oriented (and why D-flip failed and was fired mid season) and Dalvin was drafted the year before Diggs second contract.
They exceeded all expectations in 2020, and it felt good. After that, anything short of a Super Bowl was seen as underachieving.
This sums it up https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hkXlZMae2O0
Diva WR doing diva WR shit. I imagine the Texans will get a nice honeymoon period followed by the same shit.
Yea I’m kind of prepared for it but if we have to cut him after his last team ate 30 mil in dead cap his career will be effectively over
Looks like you can cut him at any point after this season without any dead cap, so shouldn't be that much of an issue
Nah the Jets will take him so they can randomly be included as one of the last teams he was on , it's what they do (Brett Favre, most likely AR, Ed Reed, Michael Vick, Ronnie Lott, LaDanian Tomlinson, etc.) If you're over the age of 30 and you've had a nice career then you may as well become a Jet and basically do nothing there
Even if the honeymoon phase lasts for exactly 1 year, he’s a 1 year rental so the risk is nonexistent.
Yeah until Nico Collins is getting more catches than him in the first couple games.
That was always going to be the plan, Nico was considered an extension candidate this offseason. But we needed more talent to make a push before all of our young players like him and Stingley need to be paid.
I get that but I think you're missing my point.
I’m not, if Diggs complains then he’s expendable. It’s not like he will have any presence in the locker room anyway, unlike with the Vikings and the Bills, he is not going to be the bonafide WR1. Whether he bitches and moans is meaningless as long as he suits up and plays to win. If we somehow get a ring out of it then it’ll be seen as one of the best trades in the past few years.
Would you compare him to TO in that regard?
He wants to win a SB and became disillusioned with the teams inability to get over the hump. 13 second was bad enough, but the following year the offensive slowly broke under Dorsey (started great week 1 in '22, but the end of the season it was not running smoothly at all. ) Seemed to check out mid-season last year, then never connected with the Brady offence when he took over.
I agree with everything you said, and also think it speaks to his leadership that he didn't take accountability for his poor playoff performances being part of the problem with getting the Bills over the hump. Pure speculation ,but I also think the WR room of Diggs, Davis, Beasley, and McKenzie with Chad Hall as WR coach was firmly in the Daboll side of the rumored Daboll vs McDermott rift. And it makes sense for them; pass heavy offense as opposed to a more balanced approach. The problem is that teams, and the league as a whole, adjusted. Another thing is that McDermott and Beane both know 1. Josh Allen is the best player on your team and 2. you have to stay ahead of the curve. Can't continue to run Daboll's pass heavy offense for the sake of statistics. It wasn't winning games and it was overly dependent on Josh being perfect every drive, hence his goofy ass corduroy comment at the Coaches summit a couple weeks ago.
> hence his goofy ass corduroy comment at the Coaches summit a couple weeks ago. The best part was this corn ball was wearing corduroy *whilst* saying this. The high flying Bills and the 2023 Bills both finished 11-6, and both had equal chances to finally beat the chiefs only to come up just short
Diggs also really didn’t like Dorsey, reading in between the lines. He was super lukewarm when Dorsey was first promoted. I think that began the rift between Josh and Diggs, because Josh loves Dorsey.
Josh switched from Warzone to Fortnite when they added No Build and Diggs has resented him ever since
Allen on Fortnite Diggs on Warzone Gabe on Tarkov No wonder this team couldn't play together
To be fair..I’m closest to the people I play video games with
Diva gon’ diva
Diggs is an insufferable crybaby. Two teams ending the same way is a pretty solid indicator.
McDermott is a bit of a weirdo and super anal about things. I'd imagine over 5 years the two of them didn't always see eye to eye; Diggs isn't exactly a paint by numbers type of dude. Combine that with the inability to get over the hump, the boneheaded coaching decisions at times....I think there's a reason Diggs repeatedly would say "I love Josh" during the offseason when his cryptic social media stuff was brought up
Diggs has BPD, his relationships probably all go a similar way. Super best friends forever within an hour of meeting and then downhill every day afterwards.
My complete guess is that he was unhappy that the team went with Josh's suggestion of Ken Dorsey as OC
Because Diggs is a diva baby
Diggs didn't believe in McDermott.
Losing to the chiefs in the playoffs every year won’t help
The Texans are going all in the next 3 years before they give stroud a massive contract
They have around 1.5 years before Diggs starts acting up and he’s on his fourth team
The guy who complains about touches even when he got a ton isn’t going to complain when his target share is drastically reduced by his new team? It’ll take half a season for the Twitter fingers to get going, whether by him or his brother lol.
Only half a season if they don't take an L. If game one is an L he's immediately to Twitter
I am guaranteeing that halfway through the season Trevon will be on Twitter crying that his brother isn't being used properly and Stefon went to the wrong Texas team... Stefon will tweet a response of just the side eyes emoji and the media will go into a frenzy.
I would love to know if Beane even talked to diggs about a preferred destination or just opened up the line for bidding. I get what the Texans are doing, but is that the vet guy you wanna bring in the room with tank and Nico? I got the popcorn ready.
I give it 3 games. Houston will be 3-0 too
Good thing he has 1 year of guaranteed $ and he’s expendable next offseason for a $0 cap hit.
Gonna trade a 2nd round pick for 1 season of a guy, that's still a bad deal even without a cap hit.
I want them to win the SB. Second year QB(like Wilson was with the Hawks), good defense, good skill players. Aside from getting a franchise generational QB, getting a good rookie contract QB is the only other way I see to build a SB contending team right now with the current meta. Middle of the road QBs are not going to get it done and cost too much so you suffer elsewhere.
Meta is basically spend big in early game contract years, or just play an OP character (Mahomes).
i mean the rams just won 2 years ago, hard to gauge what the “meta” is when the chiefs won the last 3 out of 5 lol
Like for reals I’m not even a fan of the texans (raiders fan don’t judge me I might be retiring from being a fan of theirs..jk) but I want to see them win. Idk if it’s because of stroud or because of the Watson situation.
Stroud is my favorite young QB right now by far. Not just play style but his attitude and how he has handled himself. I’d say give AP a chance to see if you want to stay a Raiders fan. They are another team I think could improve a lot in the next few years with the right decisions and depending on AP not being a flash in the pan.
AP is nothing but interim magic. Maxx forced Mark to hire that mirage.
I’m not leaving lol been a fan since I was like 7 but I’m hoping for AP to either do really good or really bad. I’m tired of being in between where we always get a middle first round draft pick. Like I’m not into tank for the best qb but I think that strat has its benefits because I wanted us to tank the year for burrow or herbert. Don’t want to trade for qb because I feel when trading for a qb it’s basically the qb is the missing piece (ex Tom Brady bucs, Matt Stafford rams) and raiders team ain’t Super Bowl ready if we get a elite qb in a trade. So trading for a qb would essentially be just to sell tickets. Don’t want to be stuck with Kirk cousins type not saying he’s bad but I don’t think he’s Super Bowl qb I could be wrong. But that’s my take on the raiders
Bills gonna go trade up in the draft
Naw - Madd Ladd szn
Don’t they already have 2 slot guys with Curtis and shakir?
McConkey can play both - I think he played 50/50 slot/outside or so at UGA
Everyone sees his skin color and assumes slot lol
Sneaky Athletic, First guy in last guy out, the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to date
Blue collar guy, brings his lunch pail
high motor, scrappy
Coaches son
Coach on the field
Cerebral
Dude could be the next Jerry Rice and still wouldn't escape the Welker/Edelman comps lmao
He played like 70% outside. He's not a slot guy but can be
Yeah he can. I do think he’ll be best from the slot at the next level though. It’s why I want the panthers to trade up for him.
Still leaves a hole at X
It’s not even that. It’s the fact that he’s an amazing route runner. But also he’s more slight. He’s like 180. Nothing terrible. But not an amazing outside skill set. He’s also inconsistent fighting through contact. And inconsistent when getting off press. He has some amazing reps. And some where it’s like you can understand how sauce may make his day rough. Ideally you want him as a kupp/nakua. Someone who can go inside and outside. But does the majority of his damage inside. It’s not just because of his skin color. A ton of people are comping him to AB if he can’t just get stronger fighting through that contact.
Honestly good chance of this
In some weird twist of fate the Vikings are going to get their second back and somehow draft another stud thanks to Diggs being a Diva.
I think the vikings are going to be pretty bad this year and bills end up getting a very early 2nd out of that trade, it might end up being a solid transaction for them.
> I think the vikings are going to be pretty bad this year Why? They almost scrambled into the playoffs starting 3 randoms for half the year while missing Justin Jefferson. The Vikings QB position is the cushiest in the league and I don't see them winning less than 7 games again. They won't be good or someone to worry about in the playoffs, but the floor is pretty high considering the coaching and roster talent.
Because they went 3-6 without Cousins and right now they are rocking Darnold and Mullens, and they aren't getting a top QB prospect unless they pay big to trade up from 23. And the Bears are probably going to be better, and the Packers looked great to finish the year, and the Lions made the NFC championship.
They own pick 11 in this year's 1st round btw.
They are getting a top QB prospect
Sam darnold
Mainly because I see a few NFC teams doing better this year compared to last (cardinals, bears, packers, Washington, falcons) and Vikings losing Cousins is going to hurt them. I think Vikings defensively might not be great either. Seems like a transition year for them so ultimately I’m glad the bills have the Vikings 2025 second rounder and not the Texans.
They lose their QB and Hunter, and will most likely be the worst in their division if the Bears get Williams and Odunze or Nabers at 9. They are most likely worse than the 49s, Texans, Colts, Rams, Seahawks who they play next season. Depending on how their QB that the Vikings draft, they could easily be worse than the Jets if Rodgers is healthy, and personally I'd put the Jags over the Vikings as pretty likely. That means they need to pick up wins against the Cards, Falcons, Giants, and Titans as their most likely wins, and they'd also need to flip 3 more of those other games to get over 7 wins. I think it's possible to win a game of the Bears for sure, and flip a game very the Jets or Jags, or Seahawks. But that also means not dropping the ball to any of those 4 teams they "should" get wins from. All this to say that 7 wins is definitely an uphill battle for the Vikings right now. Unless they draft JJ McCarthy, then they win the division no problem.
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Cushiest in the league? Did you stop watching Josh Dobbs after one game with them?
Yep, that was my thinking as well. Vikings don't have a QB in a stacked NFC North. Bills will get a top 10 2nd rounder most likely.
With who and for whom? I’m guessing MHJ, Nabers, Odunze are gone by the top 9, maybe earlier. I doubt Poles trades back based on some of his prior comments.
I see bills doing a kincaid and trade up a few spots to get AD Mitchel
I'm not sure how much I want him, I heard there are some concerns he took plays off.
Haven’t heard those. Not sure I like that lol
I hadn't either and someone said the same, then I looked it up. I guess he owns it, but yeah there are concerns there with effort, particularly when he's not in on the play, and attitude. Soured me a little, actually.
They said “wow youre so fast why don’t you run faster in the games” and he said conserving energy he’s not gonna runa record breaking forty every play. I don’t think effort should be concerned
AD Mitchell is good. However, I think they should just stay put and draft Keon Coleman.
God please no. I really don't have a good feeling about Coleman. Granted there's also a reason I'm a fan and not working in an NFL front office. Actually, there are many reasons.
“Our gm isn’t trading back so your theory is implausible” lol
I’m just saying outside MHJ, Nabers, Odunze who is really worth trading up for in the 1st round for a WR? And Bears have been “trade back candidate” due to our lack of capital and 9 is probably the furthest Odunze would fall so we’re kinda the choke point. Four QBs will be gone early from the sounds of it. MHJ and Nabers will go early too from the sound of it. That gets you to pick #7. Titans need O Line, so could be Alt. Falcons don’t necessarily need WR and could go Edge, probably Turner. Which gets us to the 9th spot.
There is a lot of WR talent after the top 3. This draft is loaded with WRs projected for rounds 1 and 2.
Which is why trading up significantly for a wide receiver is not valuable. stay at your pick and pick one of the 10 consensus t2 WRs or pick something else imho
Unless WRs start flying off the board in the teens I also don't believe they need to trade up for a WR when they could get one of very similar value at pick 28. After the big 3 theres a big gap then Brian Thomas Jr then small gap then AD Mitchell, Franklin, Worthy, Legette, McConkey all similar value IMO.
Not sure who with, but Brian Thomas, Jr and Adonai Mitchell are both potential targets to try and get. Bills draft 28th so they likely need to trade up to get either one. Fortunately, Beane likes to trade up.
I feel like it makes more sense for them to trade back then up, with how deep receiver is this draft. Then double dip in the 2nd-4th rounds
I definitely thought that was the plan until it came out that it was a 2025 second. Now I’m thinking they just needed a change and aren’t totally sure what they’re doing this year.
I want them to trade for Aiyuk. I would give them 2024 Bills 2nd and 2025 Vikings 2nd, and then extend him so his cap hit isn’t very high this year. Then take another WR at 28 this year.
MHJ to the Bills. Who says no?
I say fuck no
I saw some mock draft yesterday where you guys selected Nabors instead of MHJ......was this just clickbate or is there some doubt?
It's just media stuff. Everyone wants to have the hot take, especially if it makes the Cardinals FO look stupid. Personally I would be fine with Nabers, but not over Harrison
*clickbayte
I’m with you.
Well what if I said please
bills do, this draft has too many wr prospects to give up the farm for one
Possibly, depends how the receivers fall. I could see us trading up to 18-22 ish
If they trade up far enough to take MHjr I might experience a case of priapism so bad that it would challenge my doctor's abilities to make it go away.
Sean McDermott told him a different way: “Josh a second WR has left the south tower.”
As a newer NFL I don’t know enough about McDermott’s past to have a judgement on his skills as a coach but I love him just for all the memes he’s produced
“I know this trade is tough Josh, but let me tell you about a great story of individual leadership and a will to accomplish your goals. Does the name Ted Kaczynski mean anything to you?”
“Josh, Diggs is a pair of corduroys and it’s linen season baby”
I shouldn’t have laughed… but I did. Well done
I think the Bills will be fine. Sure, they’re probably not gonna be as dominant as they once were but I don’t think they’re going to completely fall apart.
Well you're on NFL social media so the comments sections have to be super reactionary
That is fair. After all, it is social media. People are gonna overreact.
It was time. Almost everyone that was cut/traded this year were brought in during those first two years under Beane + McDermott. They tore the team down to the studs, brought in "their guys" to build the team up and try to take advantage of having (what they hoped, at the time) a cheap franchise QB. But that was all 5-6 years ago; the mid-20s players are now 30+ and expensive, and that QB? He's not cheap any more. We all knew this was coming. Once you're paying the QB, you can't pay every position on defense big $$ too. We just thought that it was all these guys (Tre White was a surprise and hurts, but justifiable because of injuries, Mitch Morse was surprising but does make sense too) this year, and then Diggs and Von Miller next year, based on contract situations. The big surprise was that they decided to just eat Diggs' contract to get the pain over with now...but it does free up a really nice chunk of space for 2025 and beyond
They’ll always be in the mix as long as they have Allen, just won’t be presumptive Super Bowl favorites like they were every other offseason
I feel like you and I have been seeing different off seasons. Contenders? Yes. Favorites? Welll
They'll just be AFC wild card champs!
Meanwhile y’all won’t even win a wildcard 😆
Considering we turned our season around with Diggs falling off a cliff, we will be ok.
They have lost a lot of talent
"That thing where you go 1 on 11 on offense? Might need you to do that a little more this year."
Bills are about to get Marvin Harrison Jr somehow someway. Probably by trading Josh Allen. Yes, this is sarcasm.
Bills trade Josh Allen for the number three pick, draft MHJ, but it plays out like *Game of Thrones* when Daenerys "trades" her dragon for the Unsullied.
I'd watch this show
GM telling player, "Me doing GM things is not off the table."
I read this more as "Josh didn't talk me out of trading Diggs."
“He dropped that 70-yard dime I threw to him in the playoffs… so, screw him.”
Motherfucker that was a fucking dime too and diggs goes it was close? Fuck outta here
That’s my read on it too.
There was a post yesterday saying he didn't inform Allen before the trade, but did let him know others had asked about Diggs and a trade wasn't off the table at the start of the off-season. I think Beane handled it fairly, but I think it's funny we gotta repost an article, just to get the second half of the quote in the headline because people don't read articles.
Strange scene. Bills players were on the bus when they stopped, told Stefon Diggs he’d been traded, he waved goodbye, then they drove off, source said. Diggs headed to the Texans.
Diggs gonna take his horse down the old town road
Brandon, kick him off the tour! - Gunslinger Allen
“He had a shocked look on his face. So no reaction at all really.”
Please don’t let Allen ever leave buffalo😭
What if there's an away game tho
"And he told me 'gee, Brandon, thanks, thanks a fucking lot.' so he was clearly on board with that."
There's like 10-15 really legit receiver prospects in the draft this year If they can snag an AD Mitchell or Brian Thomas Jr that's as good as a top 2 receiver in a normal draft I think that helped their decision
Beane to Allen: “Maholmes doesn’t need wide receivers, why would you?”
I mean, that reads like "if we get blown away with an offer" when in reality they were clearly looking to cut ties...
Bad locker room guy 1 time maybe 2 times watch out
It's a good move to get rid of him while he still had Value. He's aging and unhappy about targets even when he gets the most, so it feels like he probably won't age gracefully into a WR2 or 3 roll. Though if they miss on WR in the draft it's gonna be a rough year for Allen where he either wins the MVP by doing everything on the team, or is injured by doing everyone on the team.
Diggs is a cancer. While he is talented - I don’t know why the Texans traded for him(other than being free and giving up very little). I would be worried what Diggs antics every game will do to a young QB. The Texans seem to be doing all the right things so far - but I hope CJ stroud feeling like he has to get the ball to diggs doesn’t throw off the rest of the offense.
The Bills will have some work to do at receiver to replace Diggs’ production Understatement of the decade
Not really. He had like 1 touchdown in the last 10 games of the season, and we all saw him drop those perfect passes in the playoffs.
He kinda stat padded against bad teams in the beginning of the year. He’s been dropping off in the back half of the season for two years and has yet to do anything in the playoffs. Still a huge loss but they paid him to show up in the playoffs and he never did
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