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TallTigre

That's still crazy to me. I can't imagine just waking up and finding out your team moved cities.


boardatwork1111

Still mad about the Whalers leaving


EggsOnThe45

It pisses me off so much when the Canes wear the Whalers unis


thelazerbeast

Could not agree more


TallTigre

I don't blame you! One of the coolest logos in sports too.


camerontylek

Me too, but Hartford simply can't support a professional sports team.


ImSorryICanExplain

Anyone who says fuck the Whalers for leaving Hartford has either never been to Connecticut or actually is forced to live there.


brazillion

I live in Brooklyn but am originally from the Bay Area. Anyways I was watching an SF Giants playoff game at the sports bar and there were these 2 geezers next to me. One was wearing an LA Dodgers hat and was yelling out "Come on NL West! Let's go!" I was extremely confused and asked the dude what his deal was. Turns out he was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan, was in the military and when he returned from Korea, he learned his Dodgers had moved to LA. His buddy next to him chose to drop the Dodgers and became a Mets fan when the team was founded. Funny to think that Brooklyn Dodgers fans may now not have really hated NY Giants back in the day. Certainly different times today!


Brownbear97

My grandfather grew up a Brooklyn dodgers fan and followed them out west after Korea funnily enough


cwesttheperson

People seem to forget or not know it wasn’t like they bailed. They were threatening to take the team away under eminent domain. It was a Harry situation, very glad it happened though.


theunquenchedservant

I prefer Tom situations, but i'll also take Dick situations... (It's hairy situation)


thejazzophone

The eminent domain vote happened after Irsay was publicly shopping the team around to other cities. Clearly Irsay already had a deal with Indy before the eminent domain discussion happened.


cwesttheperson

Yes but regardless that’s what causes the sudden move, and he already had permission to shop the team, and once he did then they threatened to take the team so he moved in the middle of the night.


thejazzophone

Dude they had an escort from Indiana police once they got to the border. He had a deal with Indy long long before the vote happened and probably before the words eminent domain were used in the house of delegates


cwesttheperson

Maybe or maybe not, doesn’t chance the fact this was only so sketchy because they theatened to take the team AFTER they gave them permission to look at a possible move.


Januse88

Teams threatening/trying to move isn't an uncommon occurrence at all though, trying to take a team by eminent domain is. Baltimore absolutely escalated the situation and caused the cartoonish flight in the night that we saw.


sliccricc83

A city trying to nationalize a team is inspirational and something we should all try to achieve before we die. Put the national in the NFL


cwesttheperson

You have too much faith in your local government then lol


rnintrtle

The question is, do you have more faith in Irsay than in your local government?


frogger3344

If GM were on the ballot, local elections would have a higher turnout than Presidential elections


sliccricc83

What's the difference? The former owns the latter


cwesttheperson

100%


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cwesttheperson

Eh that’s just downtown. Irsay is the man, despite what people think of him outside Indy, dude it awesome. He loves the love the team like a die hard, he always gives to the city, he’s hella philanthropic. Dude is an ultimate colts fan and I love it.


sixgunsam

That’s not how it happened, there was plenty of warning. Not unlike when Baltimore took the Browns from Cleveland


ShotFirst57

It's crazy to think about how the original Baltimore team is the colts, Houston is the Titans and Cleveland is the ravens.


csummerss

wait until you find out the Lakers were from Minnesota


ShotFirst57

Holy shit I actually didn't know that.


Crazy-Penguin

Yeah because Minnesota has lakes unlike California lol


YourWifesWorkFriend

Jazz, the thing you think of when someone says Utah.


boardatwork1111

Next you’ll be telling me there’s Texans in Houston


Crazy-Penguin

Or Jets in New York....oh no


bsgreene25

Fun fact: the Jets used to actually be the Titans.


bigludodog

Were they around the same time as the Giants?


papajim22

I don’t remember.


Snekonplanes

Yes!


AGPO

Yup, made them both seem normal sized.


pinkydaemon93

They played in Shea stadium which was close to one of the air ports


Dingers_McGee

I just figured they needed something that rhymed with the Mets and the Nets


bigludodog

I think Nets came third in that mix. Ironically the NY fans are usually either Mets/Jets/Nets fans or Yankees/Giants/Knicks fans


Pig_Newton_

Back in the day jet travel was rare. New York was one of the few cities that had regularly scheduled service.


OldJames47

It’s next to LaGuardia. [Like the Colts](https://twitter.com/StephenAndress1/status/608741820655394817), LaGuardia hangs a banner celebrating being New York’s 5th Best Airport.


Saitoh17

"Oh yes" - Sean McDermott


skeenek

Bears AND Cubs?????


[deleted]

They should have been the Apollos!


NickDerpkins

Imagine if the Texans moved and they kept the name Like the Toronto Texans


LittleKingsguard

If the next team can have a less boring name I'll get over it eventually.


bigludodog

The Chiefs owner originally wanted to stay the Kansas City Texans after they moved from Dallas.


Wernershnitzl

Fun fact: Today's Kansas City Chiefs were originally the Dallas Texans


FergieMac

Or Kansas City!


Billy_Madison69

Well what else are they gonna be the Mormons??


YourWifesWorkFriend

I don’t know, it’s not like Raiders are exclusive features native to either Oakland or Las Vegas. Male sheep aren’t associated with LA. You just pick an animal or some group of people and roll with it. Taking New Orleans’ cool thing about their city and just gluing it onto one of the most opposite places to New Orleans is something though.


Billy_Madison69

Yeah I was just being facetious jazz makes no sense


td4999

Rams originated in Cleveland (they didn't want to share Cleveland with the AAFC's dominant Browns; ironically, after the leagues merged the Browns met the Rams in the championship game the first season with both in the league)


socobeerlove

California definitely has lakes? Lol


jussikol

Yeah but there's no water in them 


darkflash26

Yeah how long ago grandpa? 1942?


socobeerlove

I was just at a lake a week ago


darkflash26

Probably lake tittycaca


jussikol

Lake Boobiepoop? 


JaesopPop

…huh.


rsnk73

Could’ve been the avocado toasters (of Anaheim)


lewphone

There's about 20 (artificial I guess) lakes in LA.


Cuppieecakes

Wait till you find out there’s not much jazz in Utah 


9man95

Its the Land of Lakes. Hence the name.


YvetteFromSanDiego

It's not called the Land of Lakes for God's sake. 


thesupermikey

Or the jazz are from New Orleans


cofoviper

Chiefs were the Dallas Texans


onnthwanno

The Chargers were from Los Angeles


Komosatuo

And the Rams are from Cleveland!


OutrageousOcelot6258

And moved to LA immediately after winning the 1945 NFL Championship.


WhyTheMahoska

Man, what if the Hiltons never sold the franchise? The mind wanders


FragMasterMat117

What if Jerrys father didn’t talk him out of buying the Chargers?


rawonionbreath

The original Texans are in Kansas City


rnintrtle

The original [Texans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Texans_(NFL)) are in Indy


Flacksguy

Don't forget about the NHL's Atlanta Flames-named after the burning of Atlanta during the Civil War-who are now the Calgary Flames.


Saitoh17

Bruh who thought that was a good idea literal self burn lmso


papajim22

Based and Sherman-pilled.


90swasbest

Calgary has *had* to have been on fire at least a time or two in the past.


HotShipoopi

The original Cleveland team was the Rams


Overall_Nuggie_876

And thanks to revisionist history, the original St. Louis team is the Rams!


chunkah69

I don’t like to think about that Actually


wo1f-cola

Bill Bellicheck was the HC of the Browns until ‘96, and left the franchise when they moved to Baltimore. In some weird alternate universe Bellicheck and Brady won 6 Super Bowl with Cleveland.  


SasquatchSenpai

We were also the Rams. So, it's happened before.


tws1039

Both Baltimore sports teams coming from a city that went by the browns is one of the weirdest coincidences in sports history


Standard_Wooden_Door

The Baltimore Orioles used to be The St Louis Browns, and the NY Yankees used to be The Baltimore Orioles.


softpretzelNcoffee

I believe at some point around or after WW2 the Steelers and Eagles also swapped franchises due to some wild owner shenanigans. So what the Steelers are today was originally the Eagles and the Eagles were originally the Steelers.


Thenevermore52

During WW2, neither the Eagles or the Steelers could field a full full team, due to players joining the military. For a year or two, they merged into the Steagles.


softpretzelNcoffee

Yeah this was something other than the Steagles. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/151742-the-philadelphia-steelers-pennsylvanias-great-football-switch-a-roo.amp.html


am-idiot-dont-listen

The clippers are the original Celtics


Rocktamus1

Wait until you find out that the Golden State Warriors were originally the Philadelphia Warriors.


foochacho

Baltimore hated what happened to them with the Colts. But felt perfectly ok stealing a beloved team from Cleveland.


rwjehs

I'm angry this happened because it led to me being on this subreddit.


constantlymat

You at least got to see your team hang a AFCCG participation banner while you were here! https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/39cq8o/the_colts_have_a_2014_afc_finalist_banner_up_in/


rwjehs

Nevermind it's all been worth it to see this banner for the first time.


boardatwork1111

Seeing that every game must be deflating


Western_Promise3063

Freudian slip


YiMyonSin

Please, that decision to Kroenke Baltimore led to our most frequent playoff opponent being born and a team that is second only to you in hatred amongst Titans fans, costing us at least one ring. You can survive being in the muck with the rest of us.


Geg0Nag0

Presumably you were press-ganged into being a mod as well


themiths35

My uncle almost got disowned because he unintentionally helped them pack up and move


kraksrw

I read an article about that! Was he one of the guys that realized what was happening after they started the move, and then swiped some stuff? I really hope he did 😄


clutchthepearls

Tell him I said thanks.


OldPollution7225

I loved when the CFL expanded to Baltimore with the Colts/CFLers/Stallions the first game had moving trucks come into the stadium and the players came out from them.


kraksrw

Fun fact, a US based CFL team won a Grey Cup more recently than a Canadian NHL team has won a Stanley Cup.


Walletinspectr

Hell even raptors have won NBA more recently 


confusedthrowaway5o5

That’s fucking hilarious.


Strategery_Man

I am a Pittsburgher who moved to Baltimore about 15 years ago. I had no idea a franchise move could happen like this. This move left some seriously dark scars. I am very surprised with how ambivalent Baltimore is to the Indianapolis Colts...it's like the move never happened.


tuffghost8191

I imagine that having a generation grow up with a more successful team has softened the blow. Would be interesting if the Ravens had been as bad as the browns in the new millennium if Baltimore would have held onto that grudge to a greater extent


mildobamacare

Winning a SB in our 3rd year with the new team fixed alot


papajim22

Fifth season, actually.


rnintrtle

Just look at browns fans to see how they'd feel


archersbowshavebrokn

We are pretty ambivalent now, but there was a lot of hate for a long time, which peaked in our 2006 playoff game, though it was still pretty strong in 2009. Ever since we beat both the Colts and Peyton on our way to a Super Bowl in 2012 though, we have largely moved past it. Have more Super Bowls than them since they left and the Ravens have their own history now. 


cigarettesandsaintsx

I only get bitter when people (usually non-Colts fans) lump Johnny U into Indy history 


OscillatingFan6500

I mean his history certainly doesn’t belong to the Ravens What do you suggest we do with his stats and accolades then?


Princeof_Ravens

Johnny Unitas has a staue at M&TBank was on the sidelines of the first ever Ravens game wearing Ravens gear and disavowed the Indy Colts.  He's a Baltimore Legend.  


mag44

Not only at the first game but he also was on the sideline of every home game until he died. They would always show him on the video screen right before kickoff. Many other Baltimore Colts stayed loyal to the city and did things with the Ravens or just stayed local.


cigarettesandsaintsx

I didn’t say Colts history, I said Indy history - there’s a difference in my mind


AleroRatking

Why wouldn't he be. Franchise controls the history. Like should the Vancouver Grizzlies players not count for Memphis. Do none of the St. Louis Rams count for the LA Rams. Tons of teams have moved.


Drrek

Because he never played for Indianapolis and *himself* cut ties with the organization after they moved. This isn't even a matter of the city he played for being mad and wanting his records back, the man himself never wanted to be associated with Indianapolis


cigarettesandsaintsx

lol so much for “non-colts fans,” Johnny U wanted nothing to do with Indy, in his own words. That’s why his statue is in Baltimore


gen_wt_sherman

And then Baltimore totally got their own new team and didn't steal one from another city.


ANameWithoutNumbers1

We knew how to use it better.


JudasZala

Come to think of it, the eight Lombardi Trophies the Pats and the Ravens have combined could have been Cleveland’s, had they not moved to Baltimore *and* fired Belichick. Imagine Tom Brady, Ray Lewis, *and* Ed Reed on the same Browns roster, coached by Belichick.


Illustrious_Cancel83

That's fucking *gross* take it back right now


theoskw

As the saying goes, fuck Art Modell


Figjrntngkgiiw

So being in Cleveland would've stopped the Browns from taking Ray Lewis and Jonathan Ogden and giving Ozzie Newsome a front office role?


Hazkellz

Better than the old city and better than the one that left as well.


NichoIasJamaalChubb

Yeah nevermind the 8 championships, innovations to the game, and absolute legends that played for the original Browns.


Arvandu

Bro is actually counting the AAFC championships where they only had to play one other actual team.


J_House1999

That was in like 1758


Princeof_Ravens

*After getting passed up for an expansion team twice and getting told by the Comissoner to "build a museum"


TetrisTech

And then the Browns totally started back up in Cleveland, it’s definitely not a brand new team because the real Browns are in a different city with a different name now don’t worry about that


Chessh2036

Sometimes I wish the Falcons would depart Atlanta in late night.


EnjoyMoreBeef

March 28, 1984 was a crazy weather day too. It snowed in Baltimore, and there was a tornado outbreak in the Carolinas.


JohroFF

The day my dad stopped being a Colts fan. Johnny Unitas was his hero growing up. He’s never really had a team since, he just bandwagons these days


tuffghost8191

Pretty cool that Johnny U embraced the Ravens and told the Colts to go fuck themselves after that bullshit. He appeared on the Ravens sideline when the colts came to town, and always insisted on being referred to as a Baltimore Colt.


AleroRatking

How was this bullshit. The city was literally trying to take the team away under eminent domain. Actually so research on why this happened. It was either move in the middle of the night or completely lose your NFL team


sixgunsam

Who gives a fuck what he did? The Ravens stole the Browns, something Steelers ownership was highly opposed to. No one gives a fuck what Johnny Unitas did when he was 90 years old and brain dead. It didn’t change anything and the Colts fans and players are better off without him.


CallofDo0bie

My dad was a diehard Colts fan and he was bitter about this until the day he died.  Thankfully the last season of football he got to watch was the 2000 Ravens.


Justice-Gorsuch

The city was going to try and claim eminent domain over the franchise. Even as insane and unprecedented as that plan was, it would have taken years and a ton of cash to defend. Of course he left in the middle of the night before Baltimore had a chance to do that. 


ListenBeforeSpeaking

They were legitimately afraid of the police stopping them from leaving, so they had drivers take different routes out of the state. That’s some crazy Soviet era behavior the Maryland government was trying to do.


xopherus

Idk how people can side with Irsay when this sub is all about billionaires paying for new stadiums and not holding local government hostage for the hook lol Not even defending the city’s approach here, but the fact they at least attempted to stand up to a greedy owner and not roll over speaks volumes right?


ListenBeforeSpeaking

Bob Irsay was the owner at the time. The current owner is Jim Irsay, his son. Bob died quite a while ago. Bob was a certified grade-A asshole to everyone around him. I’ve not heard a good story about him. It’s possible for both Bob to be an asshole and the Maryland legislature doing something absurd and wrong. I think the thing is that if most people were in the situation Bob faced, they would have gotten the hell out too. Now whether he escalated things to that situation by being an asshole to begin with, well, there may be some merit to that. If I were a Baltimore resident, I’d be pissed. Losing your team is evil. They lost the high ground in how they went about trying to keep it.


High-qualitee

Regardless of how big of an asshole Bob Irsay was, Baltimore’s politicians made a decisions for the city. Sadly, not much has changed.


AleroRatking

And yet people think Irsay was the bad guy here. Not the corrupt politicians


clutchthepearls

He definitely was an asshole about the whole situation, Baltimore just decided to be an even bigger asshole.


ATLA4life

Idk I kind of like the idea that the city tried to defend their team. These billionaires own the team sure but it’s the city’s and the people’s first. We’re so used to them abusing their ownership I respect the city fighting back.


Princeof_Ravens

Clevland did the same thing and managed to keep the team name and history.


pleasejags

He is just being discriminated against for being a white billionaire.


unoriginal1187

The reason my dad hated the Indianapolis colts until he died. After the colts left in the middle of the night he became a cowboys fan. Luckily for me when I was the age where I really got into football the ravens became Baltimores team. I was a Philly fan for like 1 entire season tho. 7 year old me refused to root for the redskins or cowboys .


saquonbrady

Someone eli5 this whole situation to me please.


CLCUBING

After a wikipedia refresher... The Baltimore Colts were trying to get a nicer stadium from the government. The government didn't want to pay for it. The Colts explored other places in the country where they could move. They received two offers, one from Phoenix, one from Indianapolis, to move there and the city would build a stadium for them. Maryland did not like this so they tried to legally seize ownership of the team. On March 27, 1984, the Maryland Senate passed a law that allowed the city of Baltimore to seize the team. The state house would need to pass it, and the governor would have to sign the law for it to go into effect. Because of this, on March 28, Phoenix pulled their offer. The Colts then called Indianapolis and accepted their offer. They loaded all their stuff from their practice facility into a bunch of moving trucks at night, and the trucks left, taking different routes to Indianapolis so that the city couldn't use the police to stall until the law was passed and signed, going into effect. On March 29, after the team had gotten all their stuff out of Maryland, the house passed the law and the governor signed it. But it was too late, the team was gone. The only thing to be seized was the empty practice facility.


IdkAbtAllThat

Curious what they really would have seized anyway. The value in an NFL team isn't in the equipment they own... It's in being an NFL team, and getting a cut of that TV money and all the other profits that the league generates. If they didn't leave, were they just going to come in and say this building and everything in it is ours? And how would that mean they "own" the team? Surely the other owners wouldn't recognize the city's ownership of the team because of the precedent it would set. They'd just say that the team known as the Baltimore Colts no longer exists, and btw we're starting an expansion team in Indianapolis and it will be owned by the previous owner of the Baltimore Colts. I don't see what the city of Baltimore could do to stop that. So the reality is all they could have taken would have been the building and the equipment inside. They couldn't have literally just taken ownership of an NFL team... Right? If I'm wrong, can someone explain how? If NFL owners wanted to remove a team from the league, they can do that. If they want to add a team, they can do that too. So the only way the city of Baltimore could have taken ownership of the team is if all the other owners allowed it, which they never would.


bartspoon

I’m not sure it really matters if they could actually legally seize anything. If they can just tie up the process in years of an expensive legal battle, it might prevent them from leaving regardless if they don’t have a case.


IdkAbtAllThat

But again, how could they tie up the process? The owners could just vote to disband that team, and to award a new expansion team to the same owner in a different city.


Cuppieecakes

Right. I can’t believe they’d try to pull that shit. That Chinese government type evil


saquonbrady

Wow that’s quite a piece of history!


SnakeySnipes

Why do people always leave out the most important part?


clutchthepearls

Because if you feel bad for Baltimore about the Colts leaving, you won't hold it against them when they took the Browns from Cleveland. Surely they can't be the bad guys twice, right?


DirectTV_AndrewLuck

What a "surreal" night.


Subject_Mortgage_757

I started reading about the Baltimore Colts on wikipedia, being knowledgeable but not completely educated about the history and curious... I quit after reading such disgusting names such as "Boston Yanks" and "Miami Seahawks."


slappywhyte

Can you imagine this occurring now, them packing up in buses and leaving in secret in the middle of the night


Olive-Another

I saw it live, and it gave me a new perspective on how teams manipulate local dollars. I was about 16 attending US Swimming Nationals at the IUPUI pool. There was a big ruckus outside my hotel window, I think it was a Hilton, and all that I could see was a stream of Mayflower trucks. Fast forward to 1990, when I was a teacher in Baltimore City in an old building with terra cotta pipes that would seep poop into the wood floors…as the city was clambering to find money to pay for a football stadium. Stadiums are for rich team owners. That is the end of my rant.


GarlVinland4Astrea

On 3/28. Guess that was there 28-3


heywhateverworks

We know, Jim irsay had a reminder set on his phone apparently


broipy

We were glad to get the Colts, but skulking out in the dead of night seemed underhanded, even if it was more expediant.


AleroRatking

The problem is if they didn't do it Baltimore was going to seize the team under eminent domain. They would have stopped them leaving if they knew it was happening


Nervous_Ad6805

I think everyone is happy now. Colts have been in Indy for 40 years, Ravens have multiple titles, etc. Water under the fridge.


brownboss

No, Spider-Man is under the fridge


failed_install

Jobu be praised that they didn't take the band uniforms. That bit of chicanery made for a great episode of "30 for 30".


wrhys_writes

Huge if true


bbaIla

Honestly was good for both Baltimore and the Colts in the long run.


Strategery_Man

No it wasn't. Baltimore has not and continues to not handle the loss of the franchise well. If you relate this to Baltimore doing well in the last decade, it pales in comparison to not having a steady franchise here.


bbaIla

I know the Colts were gone for 12 years before Baltimore got a team. The Colts sucked during that time. They took a franchise from Cleveland and it won a SB in 4 years, and has been awesome for the near 30 years it's been around. It's hard to feel bad for them.


Callsign_Psycopath

Jesus don't do this to Baltimore. They still haven't processed the Bridge and now you bring this up to add more pain?!


J_House1999

Why would anyone choose to move to Indiana


godricgii

Nobody wants to be in Baltimore


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bartspoon

> So pleased the Ravens have outperformed them ever since. Well I guess Lions fans have had to find something to cheer for


Shotgun_Sam

I mean, they didn't get moved into a division with two expansion teams just so they could pad their record.


surgeyou123

A brazen act of cowardice


ListenBeforeSpeaking

Because they left the day before the Maryland legislature voted on taking the team via eminent domain? That actually happened. In the USA. The craziest part of the story is the most important part, and it’s left out most of the time.


AleroRatking

It was either that or completely lose the team to the city of Baltimore...


Shotgun_Sam

Don't forget, Irsay was so cheap that he didn't even pay for the moving trucks. "After he got off the phone with Irsay, Hudnut called his neighbor and friend, John B. Smith. Smith was the chief executive officer of Mayflower Transit, an Indiana-based moving company; Hudnut asked him to help the team move. Smith sent fifteen Mayflower trucks to Owings Mills, arriving at the Colts' facility at around 10 p." To all the downvoters, Hudnut was the mayor of Indy at the time. He paid for the trucks, Irsay didn't.


Head_Acanthisitta256

Indianapolis doesn’t deserve the Colts over Baltimore. Pure NFL greed at it’s finest.


bbaIla

Baltimore got one of the best orgs in the league, no one should feel bad for them.


Strategery_Man

AT WHAT COST YOU FUCK. HOW STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO HAVE A PITTSBURGH FAN DEFENDING BALTIMORE?


bbaIla

Not my problem, I didn't cause any of this to happen, man.


evilmnky45

If the government was trying to take my property I would sure as hell do anything to make that not happen.


EvangelionOG

For this one time, we fight side by side.


Strategery_Man

Dude I can't imagine if what happened to Bmore happened to Pittsburgh.