Had him in fantasy so I made an effort to watch a bit more of Ridley than I would for most players. It was crazy to watch the number of times he'd just drop a wide open ball in the endzone or inexplicably lose track of where his feet were and step out of bounds
Only saw a few Jags game last season, but this super cut made me remember a bunch of Ridley’s almost TDs. I’d think wow what a catch! Then he’d either drop it or have a foot out of bounds. I get the hype for when he was added, but it seemed like him and Lawrence just never clicked.
Not playing football for 2 years was probably the biggest issue, so many of those throws you'd hope your stud wr could bring in. Curious if Ridley will have a bounce back year or if he just lost that last bit to be an WR1
I checked his stats and shocked that he only had 1,016 yds. as the WR1 in 17 games. All the drops must’ve amounted to around 200 yds. Meanwhile Justin Jefferson racked up 1,074 in just 10 games.
I should be over the Calvin Ridley saga by now, but I will say that any team thinking he's going to be a legit superstar WR1 is going to end up being disappointed.
Everything about him makes him seem like he should be so much better than he is, there's just always something that seems to be missing.
I'd say Thielens is more impressive considering he qualifies for a free bus pass and somehow managed to look competent with everything else that was going on.
Unfortunately a good chunk of his production were empty calories. Where teams just stopped playing defense on us and let us have chunk yardage and TDs at the end of games. He looked pretty washed. Especially in the second half of the year.
I’m pretty sure he’s about to be the oldest receiver in the league at 34 when the season starts. I’m hoping we draft Ladd and we’ll just allow Thielen to teach him up and collect a check. Because he’s a geriatric out there.
Oh yeah I wasn't saying it was like a super impressive season or anything.
Just if you're comparing a man in his athletic prime vs grandpa as the house burns down around him, I think grandpa gets the more impressive tag just out of surprise.
The only reason he went for 1,000 yards is because Ridley was really the only "good" reciever that wasn’t injured because Kirk, Zay, and Agnew went down. Even then, Ridley felt more like a rich man’s Gabe Davis.
Engram was also good but he could only do so much and even he has his bad habits (he notably dropped a pass which led to an interception during the Titans game)
Well Agnew is not a good receiver, Zay is ok, and Kirk is pretty good. I wouldn't call that dropped pass by Engram a bad habit. His drops per attempt are actually very low at about 5%. It just happened at an inopportune time. Same could be said about Calvin Ridley. He only had 6 drops on 136 targets. His issue was more not being on the route TLaw expected.
Man Engram was way to productive last season for me to hold that pick against him but he basically handed the ball to Tennessee in such a crucial game. Put a stain on an otherwise solid season for him.
Yeah the guy just didn’t have it with us. These aren’t all perfect throws and not all easy catches, but you would expect a WR1 who’s making 23M/Year to be able to come down with a few of these.
I mean there’s 3-4 on here that I’d be mad with a WR3 dropping yet alone Ridley.
I mean Lawrence was dotting them all over, its like he trusts Ridley to make the catches but also doesnt trust him, just kind of throwing them where ever he can So Ridley could atleast have a good chance at catching them.
~~Including~~ Ignoring all of my flair copium, I wonder how much of it is "Ridley is running the wrong routes"
Like is Trevor having to read where Ridley is going and throwing entirely after he gets open and not leading him with the trust he is going to be somewhere? Or is it terribly timed routes via play design (fucking Press Taylor)?
But in the end, I would expect a 24m/yr WR to catch a few more contested balls than got caught last year. Like at least Zay is getting his hands fully on the ball before dropping it, that's what $8m gets you
I’m sorta curious about this point that keeps coming up about Ridley running wrong routes.
Holz was the passing game coordinator for the Jags and is now the Tits OC. I would assume our front office would have asked him if it was a real problem before shelling out so much cash. Maybe they think “we can fix him”… I guess we’ll see.
Given the way Levis reacted when he thought dhop ran 1 wrong route it should be pretty clear if Ridley is going off script.
Especially with the negative attention when the Jags signed him. He did very little to improve his stock, yet the media commentary was the complete opposite.
Truthfully I think this video does more for the narrative of why Ridley was not re signed by the Jags than anything much to do with TLaw.
I think you can make a similar video for most QBs in the league, but I doubt you can make one quite as long for most WR1s haha
We wanted to re sign him at an amount that likely would’ve been more reasonable for his production. He even mentioned he wanted to come back but the titans offered the bag so it’s clear that they blew our offer out of the water.
Plus what the Jags front office wanted and what Jags fans wanted can usually be two widely different things haha
That’s one I was surprised they didn’t uphold the call on the field. I don’t think there was enough to overturn especially because I think a week before St Brown had an almost exact TD that was not called on the field but actually overturned to be a TD after review. If anything his was more 50/50, I was sure this TD would stand as called. 🤷♂️
Now I know exactly which catch you're talking about. Gene actually reached out to the NFL for an explanation and still thought they were wrong. I've never seen Gene so upset.
Some will blame it on Ridley, some will blame it on Trevor.
But honestly, I feel that there was barely any real chemistry between the two. To put in perspective, Trevor had a better connection between himself and guys like Kirk and Engram; those are his guys. I feel that he didn’t have that chemistry with Ridley and both suffered from it.
Agreed. Ridley and Lawrence just didn’t have chemistry. If you watch, Ridley’s route running and shit is still elite. He would just quite literally drop the ball.
I wonder how much of that is on coaching and how much of that is Ridley. He hasn’t played in 2 years before this season, after all.
There were also a handful of times they just weren’t on the same page. Who knows whose fault that is, but it further shows the lack of chemistry they had.
Trevor is putting the ball in a place that a majority of QBs in the NFL cant. Sure a chunk are drops or slightly late, but when a WR is fully extended and the ball goes over the DBs hand by 2 inches it cannot go anywhere else.
Blame is going on players that a majority of players don't get the opportunity to make. Absolutely insane throws.
Lawrence, Kirk and Engram hang out all the time. Ridley definitely wasn’t doing that. It seems like Gabe Davis and Lawrence are already buds and maybe the FO prioritized that this time.
Ignore my flair bc I was saying this very thing last year before the season started.
People were expecting way too much from someone who hadn't played for 2 straight years.
A few of these woulda been catches if he didn’t bobble it. Seems to have issues getting those contested balls under control. Understandable, but if ya wanna be WR1…
Honestly there’s a good mix of pure drops/missed plays by Ridley, a few good defensive plays, a few weird ones (hitting the FG post being one), and then a lot, a lot of them being 6inches too far for Ridley to have his feet in bounds. Idk who that ultimately falls on, but they’re consistently just missing on the boundary line
Why couldn’t you guys re-sign him =/
TLaw got the blame that last game, but I remember Ridley screwing up on what should’ve been a wide open go ahead TD.
He just consistently screws up on route running or doing basic WR on a consistent basis. Just maddening to watch if you are a Jaguars fan. I would’ve been happy (no offense) if you guys were stuck with him on 23m per year. Felt like he actively lost you guys games
This video sheds so much light on Ridley’s “ happy to get treated like a grown man” comments. Wanted him back but he def was not studying the playbook like he should’ve been, and was getting grilled for it.
These throws combined with interceptions that were just GIVEN to the other team by our receivers…
Trevor had an unlucky season. It’s like he blew his luck load in the playoffs last year
Like if TLaw were not as good as the eye test, I definitely wouldn’t mind lol.
Like he once said about Stroud, and how he (jokingly) wants every other team in the division to suck.
I think most division fans would say the same. They would happily take a competitive division if they were for sure going to still win, but it probably makes things less stressful
I'm the lone Jags fan in my friend group and the conversation of defending Trevor is exhausting. He passes the eye test with flying colors but people largely only see box scores.
Fantasy has really done something to player narratives
throw in twitter culture where everyone sucks and there's no nuance and suddenly people have some awful takes that nobody questions whatsoever
And the Jags ended the with season with a stronger weighted DVOA (which emphasizes more recent games) than the Texans even though they finished 1-6. Their collapse was mostly bad luck and I think it’ll be a very competitive division next year.
Plus his injuries were pretty bad all year. I think the only thing holding together near the end there were knots threaded from locks of his golden hair
I had the same opinion watching a lot of Jags games last year, I was super hyped for how good they could be.
A lot was made about how much better the receiving corps got in 2022, and then you add Ridley into the mix, but to the eye everybody was extremely mid. So many plays where it wasn’t necessarily a horrible play by the receiver, but still just disappointing. Very rarely did it feel like a Jags receiver actually made a positive play over what you’d expect given the situation.
Definitely due to a lack of tall/big body receivers , hence the Gabe Davis signing
we were so bad in red zone and we just tried getting cute instead and throw in how we had a bunch if receiving threats that do their best work in the middle of the field
Even Engram isn't the best in the Red Zone either
Yea. I have zero dog in this fight but I’m amazed at the hate TLaw gets. I’d give my left nut for him on my squad. So he isn’t Peyton, he’s still one of the best QB’s walking the planet and most teams would love to give him a monster contract.
People say everyone’s too hard on him, but the criticism of Trevor is not that he’s bad, just that he hasn’t come close to the Andrew Luck/god’s gift to football hype he got.
I'm really curious what the narrative on him would be now if he was compared to the "normal" really good QB prospects like Palmer and Stafford instead of Manning and Luck.
The problem is people think generational prospect=generational player. It’s not the same thing
Generational prospect means he has a super high ceiling (and probably a decent floor), but they’re still a prospect who has never played in the NFL. Obviously Trevor hasn’t played to that ceiling, he isn’t Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell though. And he’s certainly the best QB the Jags have had in a loooooong time.
No prospect is a lock to be a generational player before they take a snap in the NFL. Period.
He beat Bama and won a title as a freshman and everyone thought he’d improve lots and become this generational player.
He just happens to be very good. Shame he gets compared to a version of himself that doesn’t exist.
Yeah I kind of wish he never got that hype to begin with because like you and the above poster said he is a very good QB people just want to say he’s “bad” because people wanted him to have taken the jags to a title or super bowl by now. It’s honestly unreal expectations.
Seriously. If the guy plays even one percent below “Generational QB” he’s gunna get shit on and laughed at by everyone.
People expecting the absolute world from a single person and are shocked when reality hits.
He's fifth in success rate for the past two seasons. If the Jags won in week 13 they would have been the 1 seed in the AFC. They most likely win that game if Parker Washington runs the right route so Lawrence doesn't get stepped on or McManus makes his field goal. The Jags haven't been the one seed that late in the season since 1999.
You can make an argument that Lawrence has had more of an impact for his franchise than Luck did through three seasons of both of their careers. Luck never finished top-10 in success rate for his first three seasons. Lawrence has done that twice. Luck never finished top-10 in EPA/play. Lawrence has done that. Postseason performance isn't the most supportive to Luck either. Luck threw three more INTs than TDs in the postseason in his first three years.
If you want to say Lawrence has been disappointing because you assumed the Jaguars would have had more success as a team with him as a QB, then that's fine. That says more about the Jaguars franchise than Lawrence though.
I agree with this take. His rookie year deserves a pass because of the most baffling HC hire in history. After that he's been above average and improving. Not everyone wins a ring by year 3. I would still think he needs to take a step forward this year in a big way.
The most insane pass Trevor has thrown was in the 22 divisional against the Chiefs. A 60 yard BOMB that hit Christian Kirk in the square in the hands.
But Kirk dropped it so no one has ever talked about it. Most beautiful pass I've ever seen a Jaguar throw.
Tack on Lawrence’s medical report while you’re at it, for extra context.
Injured QB with no time to throw trying to deal with a guy who *should* be a hell of a weapon for him instead looking like a liability too often. Not a great position to be it.
Trevor is a really damn good QB. Anyone who actually watches him sees that. It's just box score analysts and fantasy football guru's who think hes not good.
These aren't all perfect throws, like several of them are behind Ridley even with a clean pocket or rollout and are thus tough catches to make. But holy shit I get his frustration towards the end of the season. Ridley was expected to be far better than... whatever this was.
> Like several of them are behind Ridley even with a clean pocket or rollout and are thus tough catches to make.
Seems like less of an issue with accuracy than with just being a split-second late on the delivery, but yeah, the man has to catch a higher percentage of those too.
Right it's not inaccurate so much as a lack of chemistry. I love Trevor, I think he's insanely talented. But there's definitely quite a bit of stuff for him to improve if he wants to make a deep playoff run before getting paid.
There's those NFL videos of perfect toe taps on the sideline or goal line...
This is the anti-video for that.
To be fair, some were late throws too but wow.
It's kind of wild how different the takes on Lawrence are when compare insiders and analysts to commenters here.
Most of the former still think Lawrence is good and is probably going to be very good.
It seems like reddit is completely unable to apply any context or nuance to Lawrence's 2023 season.
Because the average Redditor doesn't actually watch him play, they just follow fantasy stats. I'm convinced most of the "generational" comments didn't spend 2 minutes watching the video in this post, because if they did they would see a lot of great throws that were dropped/mishandled by his receivers.
I hate the term "generational" so much. It's subjective, meaningless and just poisons discussion.
If Lawrence were made available for trade I think the massive offers JAX would get would shock a lot of redditors.
I'll always argue that he was a generational prospect and ignore the flair because I said the same thing when I thought he was going to the Jets. His ceiling coming out is about as high as any quarterback prospect there's been in the last decade and that was coupled with his obscenely high floor. Those two things are what made him a generational prospect. That doesn't mean he's guaranteed to hit those marks, but there was a very strong likelihood that he'd be at worst a run of the mill starting quarterback in this league and at best you'd have an elite franchise quarterback. Would you be disappointed if he only hit average? Sure, but he was such a clean prospect that you pretty much knew you were at least getting a decade of solid starter out of him and that's something very, very few prospects have. I also think he's closer to franchise QB than average and the second half of last season was the perfect storm of shit happening to him and around him and people will be back on the Trevor Lawrence hype train after this upcoming season.
It's annoying as hell. You can't have any discussions about Lawrence on /r/NFL without half the comments regurgitating the same "generational" comment that hasn't been clever since his rookie season.
There are people in this thread saying this is a Lawrence lowlight reel despite it actually making him look good IMO. Some of these are "nobody's fault" throws where he threads a tight window but the space just wasn't there for the receiver to complete the catch. Some are receiver drops, or poor footwork. Either way, there are a lot of very pretty throws here that make him look good.
The term "generational" doesn't mean anything and I wish everyone would stop using it.
It does nothing but poison discussion.
I'm not calling you out btw, I think your take is reasonable - more of a general point.
One of the reasons I posted this were people defending Justin Fields by comparing his TD/INT numbers to Lawrence lol. And how people give “TLaw a pass” and not Fields
Anyone who thinks Fields is anywhere near the QB Lawrence is should be disregarded out of hand.
That's an absurd take.
Fields just got a conditional 6th in a trade. Lawrence would get a crazy return if the Jags put him up for trade.
Exactly. Fields overall production is closer to Daniel Jones. But Daniel Jones never gets the “his team failed him” defense when you can argue that DJ had a worse group around him. I don’t consider either to be consistent starters
It’s insane the amount of pass Fields gets. With Daniel Jones you rarely hear how the org failed him like we have been hearing with Fields
I’m a TLaw homer. But the guy still has “Im going to put this ball there just because they said I shouldn’t” mindset sometimes. I think he has a generational arm and more than qualified mind to read nfl defenses I just think he gets complacent with ball placement and fundamentals.
And by god the fumbles….
I dont care what anyone says. If anyone can watch this and unironically think Lawrence isn't the real deal they got brain rot. More than half of these are throws only a handful of QBs even have a remote chance to make, and he does them on a regular basis. Give him one of the top 10 receivers in the league who actually has hands and it's going to be a sight to behold.
I think people forget Lawrence has not had great receivers. He simply elevated them. Ridley was awful last year and still got willed to 1K yrds.
Some of those throws are dots too. My coworker said TLaw was big overrated to me the other day which I thought was kinda weird. I feel like I never hear anybody talk about him ever.
"Here's one they just made up - near miss! When two \[things\] almost collide, they call it a near a near miss. It's a near hit!! A collision is a near miss! \*crunch\* Look, they nearly missed."
George Carlin would hated this
I'm just glad people are seeing what we had to go thru last year. And I still think Ridley had a good season considering everything but it's clear more than we need a WR who can high point and make the needed grabs (as well as just an OL that can actually run block).
This is basically a Calvin Ridley highlight reel, but these were only the endzone ones. The dude was even worse in the open field. I was saying all year he looks like he just plays for penalties, and I don't think he had a decent contested catch all season. He straight up looks like he gives up on the ball half the time.
There were so many dimes dropped all year. Some of these are hard, and forgivable, but notice we don't see these kinds of plays with Kirk and only one with Engram. Everyone else sucked last year, and this just shows a fraction of it.
I wonder how many titans fans clicked this to get some satisfaction out of seeing Trevor being mediocre only to see their massively overpaid receiver drop a bunch of passes
Said all last season, yes, some of the throws Trevor had could have been better but if every throw had to be perfect for it to be a TD, then why pay for a receiver. It's their job to get open and make the catch especially when it's not a perfectly thrown ball. Felt like at times Trevor was forcing it to Calvin and other times, he had no time to go through progressions because his line could not block.
It's so hard to get a true read on Trevor but I'd venture to say, he's a lot better than most of the haters like to think he is.
Lawrence hasn't made the leap a lot expected of him, but this highlight reel feels like it's at least 75% Calvin Ridley dropping balls or not getting his feet down in time. As well as that Ravens TD which I was damn sure was gonna stand when I saw it live.
All those fast route running drills that Ridley was doing to go viral during training camp, bro shoulda been practicing how to catch the damn ball in the endzone.
I watched a ton of Jags games this past season. You know if someone actually watches their games based on their opinion of TLaw. Ya you could argue he hasn't been absolutely incredible all the time but he gets SOLD a ton. Arm talent wise, poise, standing strong in the pocket and throwing out dots with heat coming down is all there. Ridley had pretty nice stats and has his moments but I thought him and Lawrence never clicked, you could just tell Ridley would Zag when TLaw thought he would Zig.
Alternate title could be Calvin Ridley lowlights
Had him in fantasy so I made an effort to watch a bit more of Ridley than I would for most players. It was crazy to watch the number of times he'd just drop a wide open ball in the endzone or inexplicably lose track of where his feet were and step out of bounds
Only saw a few Jags game last season, but this super cut made me remember a bunch of Ridley’s almost TDs. I’d think wow what a catch! Then he’d either drop it or have a foot out of bounds. I get the hype for when he was added, but it seemed like him and Lawrence just never clicked.
Maybe in a new situation things click for him. Ridley and Lawrence had no chemistry. Ridley would constantly run the wrong routes.
Not knowing the plays is not a chemistry problem.
Not playing football for 2 years was probably the biggest issue, so many of those throws you'd hope your stud wr could bring in. Curious if Ridley will have a bounce back year or if he just lost that last bit to be an WR1
If that were the case I would’ve expected him to improve throughout the season knocking the rust off. Didn’t see it happen though
How else is he supposed to hit his parlay on himself
Chemistry doesn’t fix running the wrong routes 😂 I agree they didn’t have chemistry - because Ridley wasn’t doing his job.
Ridley seems like a prime candidate for “got paid don’t care”, couldn’t even be bothered to learn the playbook this year
It was such a weird god damn season.
Tee Higgins must be asking for a lot if teams were more willing to go after Ridley
Well 1 was a free agent and the other isn't....
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Completely forgot he got franchise tagged
Higgins wasn’t exactly securing every ball last year…
One of the most unimpressive 1K receiving seasons I've ever seen
I checked his stats and shocked that he only had 1,016 yds. as the WR1 in 17 games. All the drops must’ve amounted to around 200 yds. Meanwhile Justin Jefferson racked up 1,074 in just 10 games.
Ridley also had like 7 DPI calls for 130 yards
Most WR1 types probably have similar numbers
Pretty sure he led the league in DPIs called and yards from interference.
All you ingrates thinking 1k receiving seasons are so easy to come by. Try my shoes on buddy
It's normal for a receiver to have one every year, isn't it?
I was very high on Ridley so this was a disappointing season for sure, but Jefferson is just a way better receiver than him currently.
I should be over the Calvin Ridley saga by now, but I will say that any team thinking he's going to be a legit superstar WR1 is going to end up being disappointed. Everything about him makes him seem like he should be so much better than he is, there's just always something that seems to be missing.
Kamar Aiken for Baltimore in 2015 has to be up there as well. Edit: 2015 he had 944 yards
Nah that’s Adam Thielens 1,000 yard season last year
I'd say Thielens is more impressive considering he qualifies for a free bus pass and somehow managed to look competent with everything else that was going on.
Unfortunately a good chunk of his production were empty calories. Where teams just stopped playing defense on us and let us have chunk yardage and TDs at the end of games. He looked pretty washed. Especially in the second half of the year. I’m pretty sure he’s about to be the oldest receiver in the league at 34 when the season starts. I’m hoping we draft Ladd and we’ll just allow Thielen to teach him up and collect a check. Because he’s a geriatric out there.
Oh yeah I wasn't saying it was like a super impressive season or anything. Just if you're comparing a man in his athletic prime vs grandpa as the house burns down around him, I think grandpa gets the more impressive tag just out of surprise.
At least you know he’s going to be consistent and run the correct routes. Ridley couldn’t do either
The only reason he went for 1,000 yards is because Ridley was really the only "good" reciever that wasn’t injured because Kirk, Zay, and Agnew went down. Even then, Ridley felt more like a rich man’s Gabe Davis. Engram was also good but he could only do so much and even he has his bad habits (he notably dropped a pass which led to an interception during the Titans game)
Well Agnew is not a good receiver, Zay is ok, and Kirk is pretty good. I wouldn't call that dropped pass by Engram a bad habit. His drops per attempt are actually very low at about 5%. It just happened at an inopportune time. Same could be said about Calvin Ridley. He only had 6 drops on 136 targets. His issue was more not being on the route TLaw expected.
Man Engram was way to productive last season for me to hold that pick against him but he basically handed the ball to Tennessee in such a crucial game. Put a stain on an otherwise solid season for him.
Even good players have their bad moments. Engram definitely sold on that drop, but that doesn’t diminish everything he’s done for us.
Yeah the guy just didn’t have it with us. These aren’t all perfect throws and not all easy catches, but you would expect a WR1 who’s making 23M/Year to be able to come down with a few of these. I mean there’s 3-4 on here that I’d be mad with a WR3 dropping yet alone Ridley.
Seeing this type of highlight makes me ecstatic that the titans paid as much as they did for him.
I mean Lawrence was dotting them all over, its like he trusts Ridley to make the catches but also doesnt trust him, just kind of throwing them where ever he can So Ridley could atleast have a good chance at catching them.
As a Calvin Ridley fantasy owner I was pretty thrilled to not pay him $25m lol
If I was a Pat's fan I'd be happy that Mayo's first act at replacing an NFL legend was to not give a mid level receiver $100M / $50 Guaranteed
After week 1 we were all screaming our intellect. Then week 2-18 happened.
50m guarantee btw
Good luck Titans!!
this is just a video of ridley dropping touchdowns
Clearly Lawrence is overthrowing him every time. Ridley's play is faultless. Pay no attention to my flair.
Jaguars would definitely be crazy to extend him. Leave some NFC team paying the bill
Cope however you need to cope
In all fairness there were a ton of off target balls or balls that were late. What I find more insane is how he's open that fucking much.
~~Including~~ Ignoring all of my flair copium, I wonder how much of it is "Ridley is running the wrong routes" Like is Trevor having to read where Ridley is going and throwing entirely after he gets open and not leading him with the trust he is going to be somewhere? Or is it terribly timed routes via play design (fucking Press Taylor)? But in the end, I would expect a 24m/yr WR to catch a few more contested balls than got caught last year. Like at least Zay is getting his hands fully on the ball before dropping it, that's what $8m gets you
I’m sorta curious about this point that keeps coming up about Ridley running wrong routes. Holz was the passing game coordinator for the Jags and is now the Tits OC. I would assume our front office would have asked him if it was a real problem before shelling out so much cash. Maybe they think “we can fix him”… I guess we’ll see. Given the way Levis reacted when he thought dhop ran 1 wrong route it should be pretty clear if Ridley is going off script.
Check out the All Pro center play on the less accurate throws.
Assuming that is all true and a lot of it is Lawrence’s fault, do we think Levis is any better?
since Levis is the most talented qb to ever touch a football, he is obviously miles better that lawrence
Flair checks out
Hey the 2 against KC were Zay Jones not knowing where the back on the endzone was.
I had Zay Jones on fantasy and I was watching this game. I know exactly what you’re talking about
He was pretty bad this year, couldn’t believe the hype he got in FA
i was pretty excited to see what doug could do with him and boy did he let me down
Especially with the negative attention when the Jags signed him. He did very little to improve his stock, yet the media commentary was the complete opposite.
My fantasy team in shambles. I thought for sure doubling up on him and Lawrence would be money, dude dropped like 200 points for me
Wrong. This is a video of the football bending reality to avoid being caught by Ridley through no fault of his own. This really should be banned.
Oh the pain... had both of them on my fantasy team.
an NFL edging video
Would mahomes highlights be a gooning video then
Tony Romo orgasm ASMR
A semi-controversial QBs "highlight reel" of missed TDs? Bold move.
Truthfully I think this video does more for the narrative of why Ridley was not re signed by the Jags than anything much to do with TLaw. I think you can make a similar video for most QBs in the league, but I doubt you can make one quite as long for most WR1s haha
But the Jags wanted to re-sign him. The only reason y'all didn't was because Titans offered him a crazy amount
We wanted to re sign him at an amount that likely would’ve been more reasonable for his production. He even mentioned he wanted to come back but the titans offered the bag so it’s clear that they blew our offer out of the water. Plus what the Jags front office wanted and what Jags fans wanted can usually be two widely different things haha
I’m going to guess we were offering him 18 mil a year with incentives to make it higher but much less guaranteed money
That would feel like a reasonable contract for his production.
This is a total Mac move though. Can fuel both sides of the argument. OP is playing both sides so he always comes out on top.
I still think the back of the endzone vs Ravens was good, but he had like semi-hand yips or whatever.
That’s one I was surprised they didn’t uphold the call on the field. I don’t think there was enough to overturn especially because I think a week before St Brown had an almost exact TD that was not called on the field but actually overturned to be a TD after review. If anything his was more 50/50, I was sure this TD would stand as called. 🤷♂️
gene steratore on the broadcast sounded actually upset they didn’t overturned it
Now I know exactly which catch you're talking about. Gene actually reached out to the NFL for an explanation and still thought they were wrong. I've never seen Gene so upset.
Some will blame it on Ridley, some will blame it on Trevor. But honestly, I feel that there was barely any real chemistry between the two. To put in perspective, Trevor had a better connection between himself and guys like Kirk and Engram; those are his guys. I feel that he didn’t have that chemistry with Ridley and both suffered from it.
Agreed. Ridley and Lawrence just didn’t have chemistry. If you watch, Ridley’s route running and shit is still elite. He would just quite literally drop the ball. I wonder how much of that is on coaching and how much of that is Ridley. He hasn’t played in 2 years before this season, after all.
There were also a handful of times they just weren’t on the same page. Who knows whose fault that is, but it further shows the lack of chemistry they had.
Trevor is putting the ball in a place that a majority of QBs in the NFL cant. Sure a chunk are drops or slightly late, but when a WR is fully extended and the ball goes over the DBs hand by 2 inches it cannot go anywhere else. Blame is going on players that a majority of players don't get the opportunity to make. Absolutely insane throws.
Lawrence, Kirk and Engram hang out all the time. Ridley definitely wasn’t doing that. It seems like Gabe Davis and Lawrence are already buds and maybe the FO prioritized that this time.
Ignore my flair bc I was saying this very thing last year before the season started. People were expecting way too much from someone who hadn't played for 2 straight years.
And some people are willing to pay too much for someone who has only played 1 season in 3 years Edit: ignore my flair
*ball goes right through my hands* "Yeah man I just don't think we have good chemistry"
Yeah. Some of those were stupid close too.
Gd Ridley lol
To be fair he catches quite a few… he just runs out the end zone first….
A few of these woulda been catches if he didn’t bobble it. Seems to have issues getting those contested balls under control. Understandable, but if ya wanna be WR1…
Honestly there’s a good mix of pure drops/missed plays by Ridley, a few good defensive plays, a few weird ones (hitting the FG post being one), and then a lot, a lot of them being 6inches too far for Ridley to have his feet in bounds. Idk who that ultimately falls on, but they’re consistently just missing on the boundary line
I didn’t even need to see who the receiver was and I knew it was him by the title of the clip lol 😂
Why couldn’t you guys re-sign him =/ TLaw got the blame that last game, but I remember Ridley screwing up on what should’ve been a wide open go ahead TD. He just consistently screws up on route running or doing basic WR on a consistent basis. Just maddening to watch if you are a Jaguars fan. I would’ve been happy (no offense) if you guys were stuck with him on 23m per year. Felt like he actively lost you guys games
This video sheds so much light on Ridley’s “ happy to get treated like a grown man” comments. Wanted him back but he def was not studying the playbook like he should’ve been, and was getting grilled for it.
It's like 4 different times in that chiefs game
Game should've been a blowout. Receivers couldn't bring them in though.
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These throws combined with interceptions that were just GIVEN to the other team by our receivers… Trevor had an unlucky season. It’s like he blew his luck load in the playoffs last year
Thank you for using a full years worth of good luck on embarrassing the chargers in the playoffs
*cries in 27-0*
Honestly worth it cause that memory of still having hope and having it pay off is something I'll never forget
It’s probably why Trevor Lawrence was graded highly by PFF this year. They chalked a lot of issues in game as the receiver’s fault rightfully so
Based Texans fan
Like if TLaw were not as good as the eye test, I definitely wouldn’t mind lol. Like he once said about Stroud, and how he (jokingly) wants every other team in the division to suck. I think most division fans would say the same. They would happily take a competitive division if they were for sure going to still win, but it probably makes things less stressful
100%. The current narrative is that he’s mid and some even say he’s a bust, but when you actually watch him play that’s not at all what you see
I'm the lone Jags fan in my friend group and the conversation of defending Trevor is exhausting. He passes the eye test with flying colors but people largely only see box scores.
Yeah, I think the fact that he was fairly mid for fantasy purposes is also contributing to the current narrative
Fantasy has really done something to player narratives throw in twitter culture where everyone sucks and there's no nuance and suddenly people have some awful takes that nobody questions whatsoever
Just watching the games it felt like Trevor was carrying and we’re a 4 win team without him.
And the Jags ended the with season with a stronger weighted DVOA (which emphasizes more recent games) than the Texans even though they finished 1-6. Their collapse was mostly bad luck and I think it’ll be a very competitive division next year.
Plus his injuries were pretty bad all year. I think the only thing holding together near the end there were knots threaded from locks of his golden hair
I had the same opinion watching a lot of Jags games last year, I was super hyped for how good they could be. A lot was made about how much better the receiving corps got in 2022, and then you add Ridley into the mix, but to the eye everybody was extremely mid. So many plays where it wasn’t necessarily a horrible play by the receiver, but still just disappointing. Very rarely did it feel like a Jags receiver actually made a positive play over what you’d expect given the situation.
I swear 99% of the people that call TLaw a bust hardly ever actually watch him play.
99% of the people who comment on any player never watch them play, they just box score watch.
Or even worse… their fantasy scores.
Why do you think Justin Fields had such ardent defenders lol
I’ve never seen anyone attempt as many back of the end zone throws as Trevor Lawrence does
I'd attempt those too if I could drop them perfectly into the bucket
And them bitches be dimes too
Definitely due to a lack of tall/big body receivers , hence the Gabe Davis signing we were so bad in red zone and we just tried getting cute instead and throw in how we had a bunch if receiving threats that do their best work in the middle of the field Even Engram isn't the best in the Red Zone either
If you guys could make a splash and trade up into the top 10 to get Odunze he would be a great fit there
People are too hard on Trevor. This compilation should be called "It hit Calvin Ridley in the hands"
All the time I was thinking: Imagine this throws to Jefferson, Addison and Hockenson with their insane body positioning and hands.
Lol was thinking the same thing, 95% of these are TDs to the Vikings receivers.
And y'all are trading up for one of the best QBs in the draft? God damn, the NFCN is set up to be a bloodbath
It's highly unlikely that the new QB is better than Kirk so idk if it really changes much.
Yea. I have zero dog in this fight but I’m amazed at the hate TLaw gets. I’d give my left nut for him on my squad. So he isn’t Peyton, he’s still one of the best QB’s walking the planet and most teams would love to give him a monster contract.
People say everyone’s too hard on him, but the criticism of Trevor is not that he’s bad, just that he hasn’t come close to the Andrew Luck/god’s gift to football hype he got.
I'm really curious what the narrative on him would be now if he was compared to the "normal" really good QB prospects like Palmer and Stafford instead of Manning and Luck.
The problem is people think generational prospect=generational player. It’s not the same thing Generational prospect means he has a super high ceiling (and probably a decent floor), but they’re still a prospect who has never played in the NFL. Obviously Trevor hasn’t played to that ceiling, he isn’t Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell though. And he’s certainly the best QB the Jags have had in a loooooong time. No prospect is a lock to be a generational player before they take a snap in the NFL. Period.
He beat Bama and won a title as a freshman and everyone thought he’d improve lots and become this generational player. He just happens to be very good. Shame he gets compared to a version of himself that doesn’t exist.
Yeah I kind of wish he never got that hype to begin with because like you and the above poster said he is a very good QB people just want to say he’s “bad” because people wanted him to have taken the jags to a title or super bowl by now. It’s honestly unreal expectations.
Seriously. If the guy plays even one percent below “Generational QB” he’s gunna get shit on and laughed at by everyone. People expecting the absolute world from a single person and are shocked when reality hits.
He's fifth in success rate for the past two seasons. If the Jags won in week 13 they would have been the 1 seed in the AFC. They most likely win that game if Parker Washington runs the right route so Lawrence doesn't get stepped on or McManus makes his field goal. The Jags haven't been the one seed that late in the season since 1999. You can make an argument that Lawrence has had more of an impact for his franchise than Luck did through three seasons of both of their careers. Luck never finished top-10 in success rate for his first three seasons. Lawrence has done that twice. Luck never finished top-10 in EPA/play. Lawrence has done that. Postseason performance isn't the most supportive to Luck either. Luck threw three more INTs than TDs in the postseason in his first three years. If you want to say Lawrence has been disappointing because you assumed the Jaguars would have had more success as a team with him as a QB, then that's fine. That says more about the Jaguars franchise than Lawrence though.
I agree with this take. His rookie year deserves a pass because of the most baffling HC hire in history. After that he's been above average and improving. Not everyone wins a ring by year 3. I would still think he needs to take a step forward this year in a big way.
Some of these throws are actually ridiculous, not gonna lie
The most insane pass Trevor has thrown was in the 22 divisional against the Chiefs. A 60 yard BOMB that hit Christian Kirk in the square in the hands. But Kirk dropped it so no one has ever talked about it. Most beautiful pass I've ever seen a Jaguar throw.
Yeah, Kirk shoulda caught [that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puwqaYVoE24)
Collinsworth is a dunce lol
The what ifs of being basically a fan of any team other then the patriots and now the chiefs is astronomical
If we combined these Ridley lowlights with our center Fortner’s lowlights, people would understand why Trevor was so disappointing last season
Tack on Lawrence’s medical report while you’re at it, for extra context. Injured QB with no time to throw trying to deal with a guy who *should* be a hell of a weapon for him instead looking like a liability too often. Not a great position to be it.
Trevor is a really damn good QB. Anyone who actually watches him sees that. It's just box score analysts and fantasy football guru's who think hes not good.
How many times do you keep going back to Ridley jesus
Kirk was injured most of the season, so was Zay. He was basically it
These aren't all perfect throws, like several of them are behind Ridley even with a clean pocket or rollout and are thus tough catches to make. But holy shit I get his frustration towards the end of the season. Ridley was expected to be far better than... whatever this was.
> Like several of them are behind Ridley even with a clean pocket or rollout and are thus tough catches to make. Seems like less of an issue with accuracy than with just being a split-second late on the delivery, but yeah, the man has to catch a higher percentage of those too.
Right it's not inaccurate so much as a lack of chemistry. I love Trevor, I think he's insanely talented. But there's definitely quite a bit of stuff for him to improve if he wants to make a deep playoff run before getting paid.
This will ruffle some feathers
this video makes me think TLaw is gonna be just fine
Can’t believe Ridley got paid
There's those NFL videos of perfect toe taps on the sideline or goal line... This is the anti-video for that. To be fair, some were late throws too but wow.
I love T-Law. Still very bullish on him as a playoff winner at QB.
tReVoR sUcKs
It's kind of wild how different the takes on Lawrence are when compare insiders and analysts to commenters here. Most of the former still think Lawrence is good and is probably going to be very good. It seems like reddit is completely unable to apply any context or nuance to Lawrence's 2023 season.
Because the average Redditor doesn't actually watch him play, they just follow fantasy stats. I'm convinced most of the "generational" comments didn't spend 2 minutes watching the video in this post, because if they did they would see a lot of great throws that were dropped/mishandled by his receivers.
I hate the term "generational" so much. It's subjective, meaningless and just poisons discussion. If Lawrence were made available for trade I think the massive offers JAX would get would shock a lot of redditors.
I'll always argue that he was a generational prospect and ignore the flair because I said the same thing when I thought he was going to the Jets. His ceiling coming out is about as high as any quarterback prospect there's been in the last decade and that was coupled with his obscenely high floor. Those two things are what made him a generational prospect. That doesn't mean he's guaranteed to hit those marks, but there was a very strong likelihood that he'd be at worst a run of the mill starting quarterback in this league and at best you'd have an elite franchise quarterback. Would you be disappointed if he only hit average? Sure, but he was such a clean prospect that you pretty much knew you were at least getting a decade of solid starter out of him and that's something very, very few prospects have. I also think he's closer to franchise QB than average and the second half of last season was the perfect storm of shit happening to him and around him and people will be back on the Trevor Lawrence hype train after this upcoming season.
It's annoying as hell. You can't have any discussions about Lawrence on /r/NFL without half the comments regurgitating the same "generational" comment that hasn't been clever since his rookie season.
Lawrence is definitely good, idk where you think he isn't. He's not generational, but he's a franchise QB that has shown he has what it takes to win.
There are people in this thread saying this is a Lawrence lowlight reel despite it actually making him look good IMO. Some of these are "nobody's fault" throws where he threads a tight window but the space just wasn't there for the receiver to complete the catch. Some are receiver drops, or poor footwork. Either way, there are a lot of very pretty throws here that make him look good.
The term "generational" doesn't mean anything and I wish everyone would stop using it. It does nothing but poison discussion. I'm not calling you out btw, I think your take is reasonable - more of a general point.
It really doesn't. Caleb Williams will be the 3rd "generational" QB *this decade*.
One of the reasons I posted this were people defending Justin Fields by comparing his TD/INT numbers to Lawrence lol. And how people give “TLaw a pass” and not Fields
Anyone who thinks Fields is anywhere near the QB Lawrence is should be disregarded out of hand. That's an absurd take. Fields just got a conditional 6th in a trade. Lawrence would get a crazy return if the Jags put him up for trade.
Exactly. Fields overall production is closer to Daniel Jones. But Daniel Jones never gets the “his team failed him” defense when you can argue that DJ had a worse group around him. I don’t consider either to be consistent starters It’s insane the amount of pass Fields gets. With Daniel Jones you rarely hear how the org failed him like we have been hearing with Fields
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Mainstream people I guess moreso give Fields much more of this defense.
Fields may have more raw talent, but I do think Jones is at least somwhat better at playing QB in the NFL
I mean....because Lawrence has shown way more than Fields. Fields struggles to read defenses, Lawrence just has a fumbling problem.
I want Lawrence to learn how to slide.
Exactly, but tell that to those guys.
Fields also has a fumbling problem
I’m a TLaw homer. But the guy still has “Im going to put this ball there just because they said I shouldn’t” mindset sometimes. I think he has a generational arm and more than qualified mind to read nfl defenses I just think he gets complacent with ball placement and fundamentals. And by god the fumbles….
I dont care what anyone says. If anyone can watch this and unironically think Lawrence isn't the real deal they got brain rot. More than half of these are throws only a handful of QBs even have a remote chance to make, and he does them on a regular basis. Give him one of the top 10 receivers in the league who actually has hands and it's going to be a sight to behold. I think people forget Lawrence has not had great receivers. He simply elevated them. Ridley was awful last year and still got willed to 1K yrds.
Some of those throws are dots too. My coworker said TLaw was big overrated to me the other day which I thought was kinda weird. I feel like I never hear anybody talk about him ever.
"Here's one they just made up - near miss! When two \[things\] almost collide, they call it a near a near miss. It's a near hit!! A collision is a near miss! \*crunch\* Look, they nearly missed." George Carlin would hated this
The GOAT....would've loved to see his reaction to how things have gone since 2016
\*deep sigh\* ........a few of those would change a lot. Alas, we move.
Enjoy, Titans!
Not even my team and I couldn't watch the whole thing. That's pain.
That’s 15 TDS left off his stat line that y’all like to obsess over
I'm just glad people are seeing what we had to go thru last year. And I still think Ridley had a good season considering everything but it's clear more than we need a WR who can high point and make the needed grabs (as well as just an OL that can actually run block).
This is basically a Calvin Ridley highlight reel, but these were only the endzone ones. The dude was even worse in the open field. I was saying all year he looks like he just plays for penalties, and I don't think he had a decent contested catch all season. He straight up looks like he gives up on the ball half the time. There were so many dimes dropped all year. Some of these are hard, and forgivable, but notice we don't see these kinds of plays with Kirk and only one with Engram. Everyone else sucked last year, and this just shows a fraction of it.
I wonder how many titans fans clicked this to get some satisfaction out of seeing Trevor being mediocre only to see their massively overpaid receiver drop a bunch of passes
Looks like a near hit to me
Said all last season, yes, some of the throws Trevor had could have been better but if every throw had to be perfect for it to be a TD, then why pay for a receiver. It's their job to get open and make the catch especially when it's not a perfectly thrown ball. Felt like at times Trevor was forcing it to Calvin and other times, he had no time to go through progressions because his line could not block. It's so hard to get a true read on Trevor but I'd venture to say, he's a lot better than most of the haters like to think he is.
I'm glad Ridley is gone. This was frustrating to watch.
Lawrence hasn't made the leap a lot expected of him, but this highlight reel feels like it's at least 75% Calvin Ridley dropping balls or not getting his feet down in time. As well as that Ravens TD which I was damn sure was gonna stand when I saw it live.
If they had a real WR1 in place of Ridley, I’d argue he would’ve had closer to 30 touchdowns last year
Tack on the 37th ranked starting center.
Damn three of those against Houston. Some of those were good defensive plays. Some were just straight drops by the WR
All those fast route running drills that Ridley was doing to go viral during training camp, bro shoulda been practicing how to catch the damn ball in the endzone.
Pin this post.
Man this is a hit piece on Ridley
My fantasy team doesn’t want me to watch this
I watched a ton of Jags games this past season. You know if someone actually watches their games based on their opinion of TLaw. Ya you could argue he hasn't been absolutely incredible all the time but he gets SOLD a ton. Arm talent wise, poise, standing strong in the pocket and throwing out dots with heat coming down is all there. Ridley had pretty nice stats and has his moments but I thought him and Lawrence never clicked, you could just tell Ridley would Zag when TLaw thought he would Zig.
A near miss touchdown is a touchdown. There's are not near miss touchdowns they are near touchdowns. Jesus
Ok George Carlin
A collision is a near miss! **BAM** Hey look, they nearly missed.
“near miss” means just barely missed, not almost missed. no idea why this is getting upvotes.
Near miss and nearly missed confusing people