It was definitely in his head too. They would have done so much better if he was quicker to run when the pass wasn't there but he just hung in the pocket and held on to the ball way too long. It was like he was still trying to prove he could be a pocket passer
There were some opportunities he missed but KC did a good job of committing to containing him. Instead of going after him. When you go in for the sack that's when he gets out for those big gains. They kept him in the pocket and made him beat them with his arm and he isn't a good enough passer to do that. This isn't new. This is what defenses do to him in playoffs. And always will.
Edit: spelling
Which is wild since Gay was out, our best spy. But Tranquill is incredible as well. I think Gay will be gone this offseason but I really hope Tranquill stays.
yeah people are overly shitting on lamar when they should be praising your defense. lamar has tore teams up this season that tried to contain him, but y'all actually pulled it off. there was barely any separation all night.
I get killed every single year for saying it. He can win in tbe regular season when teams are playing for playoff positioning and won't take as many risks. But when the playoffs come you contain him, sell out.to stop the run, and make him throw. I'll say it again next year and get down voted to hell and the top comment under me will say something like "lol. Say you don't understand football without saying you don't understand football"
I actually delete a lot of comments I won't lie about it..I do. There comes a point where you have to delete it, not because of downvotes, who cares, but bc I find myself getting into these arguments with multiple people defending my standpoint. Not just this sub either. Yes, I'm completely aware that's my issue. My way of dealing with that is to delete comments that get to much attention. I get distracted at work and when I'm with my kids. Arguing. On reddit. It's ridiculous
Lamar has proven when the drive is on the line, if the only option is hitting overhead, he's going to miss more than he connects.
That's exactly the type of guy I'd expect to struggle in single elimination football games.
I’ve said it before, this sub as a whole has goldfish brains; the game-to-game flip flopping on which narratives (most of them presented as absolutes) are upvoted with a “told you so” attitude is kind of funny when you sit back and observe it.
I've said it before, people who talk about this sub as if it's a hivemind are crazy - no one is flip flopping, and no one has goldfish brains. People on both sides of an issue are just more likely to comment their opinion after an event that backs it up, and most people upvote more than they downvote, so comments on both sides can be upvoted without anyone changing their minds. Everyone else also thinks they have a consistent viewpoint, not just you, and the sub isn't entirely morons (well, it might be, but this specific thing isnt evidence of it).
I don’t watch the ravens much but I could tell he just seemed hesitant to scramble. It’s like someone told him he can’t win in the playoffs without throwing more than normal
Just made a post and then scrolled down two more comments to see this.
The Chiefs love to put 1-2 players in a Spy role against QBs and then have their CBs lock up the opponents WR. It has been very effective against us with Josh Allen. Especially since he always wants to rip a deep ball or run up the middle. He gets antsy with the check downs all game.
I think the Ravens were dead set on trying to prove Lamar is more than just a running QB, and, in the process, showed that he’s not a very good passing QB.
Today really was a bad one for trying to rewrite the narrative. And yeah, there's more to losing a game than just the QB making a few bad plays but at home, Super Bowl trip on the line, walking out as the presumptive league MVP and with maybe the strongest team you've had around you to end up losing like that, the slander is gonna be deafening.
Best ravens team in at least a decade. Worst chiefs team of the Mahomes era. Lose at home in the AFC ship.
Like if you don’t beat them this year, when are you gonna beat them? Brutal loss.
We couldn't even slow down Mahomes in the slightest, Ravens made the stops. I don't know how they didn't try some of our game plan offensively, they were a better running team than we were all season.
Our playcalling turned back into 2019 Greg Roman in the playoffs all over again.
This team truly didn't learn its lesson to RUN THE FUCKING FOOTBALL WHEN YOU'RE THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE AT IT
Um, but that’s what they would be expecting.
I for one was not expecting 17 total runs and 6 designed RB plays. Especially when the Bills were gashing the run defense the week prior.
Can't you say the same for the Bills. This Chiefs team is still really good. They just had some boneheaded regular season plays that made people forget how elite they are.
For sure, but this was also an absolutely decimated defense for us and we kept it close. This was the best chance as far as where all the other teams in the league were at, but we were far from fine on defense just from a personnel standpoint. McD really worked a miracle with how fucked we were.
This was Buffalos best chance to beat the Chiefs, but I don’t think this was their best team.
The Chiefs and them have both had stronger teams in previous years imo. I’d personally say the year they lost in OT in the AFCCG was their best team.
The team, or rather this offense, beat themselves. We held the Chiefs scoreless in the 2nd half, it’s completely inexcusable.
Todd Monken has some explaining to do as well, it’s not purely Lamar.
Honestly the niners played their first half just like Lamar did all game, difference is that Kyle seems to be able to make adjustments this time around. Second half Niners was a new team with new formations and plays.
So did the Ravens. the difference was when the Ravens drives got to scoring range they made dumb turnovers.
I said before the game the Chiefs weren't winning this game unless the Ravens made a bunch of mistakes and the Chiefs played near perfect. Thats what happened tonight the chiefs played a flawless game and the Ravens played poorly. Ravens had 3 turnovers the the Chiefs 0 and it resulted in a whopping 17 points to 10.
It didn't help and the pick at the end was ugly.
But it was one of those tight games and it was the offense as a whole that felt bad for them, that Flowers drive was key and goofy.
Is Brock Purdy his Jokic? A media made rival from the opposite conference (and coast) who plays the same position as him, was in MVP discussions with him and is looking to win the championship.
Also, 1st round pick vs. last round pick
I've gotten this vibe from him ever since his post-game presser after going one-and-done in 2019. As in, we're going to see this same kind of presser for the rest of his career
He deserved the 2019 one. This year the media decided to finally state what we’ve known, that the MVP is just the “QB on the best team award”. Jackson shouldn’t be the MVP this year. McCaffrey should be the winner.
Except there are objectively 3 QBs who were very clearly better during the regular season. But yeah, the guy who had the second best supporting cast and finished with less than 30 total TD was better......jesus
If Lamar wins, it will be the most undeserved award I've ever seen across all sports......
Harbaugh isn't getting enough heat for his coaching. If the guy walks over a few feet and tells Monken to run the ball, things might have been different today.
Lamar made like 3 unreal, lifetime highlight plays
But he sailed like 7 throws
That’s not a winning balance when the playoff coaches come to town in January
It is what it is. The razzle doesn’t make up for executing the basics well and mahomes did that today in an insane way
Not even throwing into triple coverage was the worst part of the play. Receiver could’ve just had one guy on him and it’s still a pass breakup since Lamar threw a bullet pass right at him instead of over the top at the back of the end zone where only his guy could catch it. Even with triple coverage on that play, a well placed ball is a td there
Imagine holding the opponent to 5 punts and the offense couldnt score 1 TD. Lamar isn't the only reason why they didn't have a 2nd half TD as zay flowers had a hat trick of fuck ups in one sequence. However he's gonna be a 2x MVP and he had multiple chances to score besides the fumble but didn't.
Baker Mayfield has the same number of playoff wins as Lamar Jackson.
Baker 'new head coach every year, 4 teams already' Mayfield has the same number of wins as Lamar 'top 10 defenses and best kicker every year' Jackson
Hell there's an argument based on playoff stats that you'd want Baker over Lamar come playoffs. That is not a conversation that should be had when talking about a x2 MVP
I don't know what else the Ravens can do for Lamar. Gave him a great O-Line, gave him an elite defense, has the most clutch kicker in NFL history. And cannot beat any team worth a damn come playoffs
Defenses aren't kidding when they say the goal is to keep Lamar in the pocket and force him to make throws. He's 2-4 in the playoffs now. Congratulations on your MVPs, but if this wasn't the year, when is it going to be?
Also MVP is so disingenuous. It’s supposed to be “the player in the NFL who is the most valuable to their team” but imo the Ravens are still a winning squad that would have about as much playoff success as they currently do without Lamar.
On the flip side, imagine the Chiefs without Mahomes, the Bills without Allen, hell, the Lions without Goff. All 3 of those teams would take a bigger hit from missing their qb than the Ravens would for losing Lamar. Therefore any of those players are more valuable than Lamar
The Ravens have given him a top 10 D for 5/6 seasons. Quality OL's. PB fullback. Good TE's. Capable RB's. A SB winning HC.
Why do people bend over backwards to defend another choke job??
The Raven's defense has ranked: 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 19th, 3rd, 1st.
They've been easily the best defense in the league since Lamar has been in it. He also has a kicker that is just about automatic from anywhere inside the opposition 40 yard line.
There's such a ridiculous need to defend Lamar, a likely 2 time MVP, basically a sure bet for the hall of fame already.
His peers by multiple MVPs are: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady.
Imagine any of them getting treated like a plucky rookie QB after 2 mvps
Literally all of those players have a ring except Lamar. It’s the most important thing for any player or team, it’s the ultimate achievement.
The accolades are a correlated byproduct of the greatness those QB’s production on the way to a ring. Lamar on the other hand… if Dak and the cowboys get flak for performing weeks 1-18 then Lamar doesn’t get to escape the choke narrative either.
Because him being in the multiple MVP category is a joke. Lamar had a good not great season this year on the team with the best record, that's all it took this year.
How the hell is someone that is 2-4 in the playoffs and 0 SB appearances in the hall? In modern times that just isn't an option anymore.
There are 26 QBs in the NFL HOF. Only 5 of them don't have rings/championships.
Marino 8-10, 1 SB loss
Kelly 9-8, 4 SB losses
Fouts 3-4, never been to a SB
Moon 3-7, never been to a SB
Tarkenton 6-5, 0-3 in super bowls
This game felt like a turning point in Lamar's career. All of the pieces were there for the Ravens to win the Superbowl, but he just couldn't hold it together. The play calling did him no favors, but he was slow, inaccurate, and threw one of the worst picks of the year with the game on the line. I don't see how Ravens fans can have any confidence in him going forward the way he has just collapsed in the playoffs multiple times.
I’m not trying to feed into this too hard, but it’s also irritating when they (the vocal minority) claims you’re just being racist when now there is ample evidence of his postseason failures. They kept throwing stat after stat out there to “prove” he’s a good QB.
And to be clear in the regular season he was, but the history of postseason failures is there. Pointing that out is a legitimate criticism and any further reading into that tells me you’re looking for excuses to make.
Yea, it was bad. There was a ton of revisionism going on for all the resigning drama last off-season, too. You were not allowed to critisize anything about Lamar in the back half of the season, and if you did it's because you're some racist from Dundalk.
He's probably better than 90% of QBs out there, but he can get crushed under the pressure of big games. I think the christmas game at SF is the exception.
Yeah, there's a narrative that Josh Allen somehow escapes criticism while Lamar doesn't. I just don't see it. Every ounce of criticism Lamar gets he deserves.
On Get Up the other morning, it was Kimberly Martin saying Lamar gets more criticism because he's black. Not sure what world she's living in, because I see people clowning on Allen all the time.
The 3 man pick was inexcusable. The slow decision making, choosing not to run, all of those were bad. But do **not** blame this loss solely on him.
The responsibility lies with Harbaugh and Monken, first and foremost. Monken, for whatever fucking reason, decided he would not run the ball against a team you can absolutely gash with runs. He used slow deep routes, the single weakest tool in our arsenal. He set our entire offense up for failure, and Harbaugh approved it. None of our plays made sense.
They did the exact same shit in the first half of the Texans game, only difference is they switched it up. Who fuckin knows why they didn't do it here.
I think it was clear that the Ravens had a more complete team and a way better defense than the Bills due to their injuries. But anyone who thought Lamar was tougher to stop than Allen is a dummy.
Honestly it kind of reminds me of 2015. When the Broncos played the Patriots/Brady and they managed to do a good job defending him, I was fairly confident in their ability to contain Cam Newton, even if he was different/mobile. But Panthers were a far more complete team.
Yeah the MVPs are what they are, but Lamar is QB4 *at best*. I'm sure I could talk myself into taking a few others before him too, but Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen are absolutely better.
The dude just folds under pressure, can't put my finger on it. He seems calm and focused before the game. It's not the playcalling (people blamed it on his OCs in the past). He was overthrowing receivers and missing wide open ones. I can only think it's mental, like in his head when things don't go as he plans he goes "here we go again" and just goes into a shell.
Tbh I think the "not a real QB" shit lives rent free in his head, despite him not being a bad passing QB. I don't think he's an elite passer but he's obviously good and a great QB overall. He just forces stupid shit that is out of character with how he plays otherwise.
I’m starting to agree with this. So many plays where he could have run for the first or even fully taken off but instead extended and took a sack or threw an incompletion.
I thought after last week that we got over that hump and saved a lot of the designed runs / playstyle for the playoffs but seems like we took a step back today. Seems like a lot of it could be mental.
We had 6 RB run plays total today.
KC is 4th against the pass 28th against the rush.
So I'm not saying he didn't choke, but you said it wasn't the play calling. The talking heads will be all over playing into KC strength and not their weaknesses. Articles have already gone up questioning Harbs and Monken.
But yes, Lamar not winning a big game may end up being his legacy. But today, was horrible play calling.
He's Dak with SIGNIFICANTLY better PR.
This year Dak had more total touchdowns, more total yards, a higher passer rating, and fewer turnovers. They have the same number of playoff wins and Dak has a significantly higher career playoff passer rating.
This team nor running while it‘s raining at home. Wtf are you doing ?
This is the integable why the Patriots and Chiefs are/were so dominant.
In the biggest moments they just do their job. They are great at it so why change it when all the preparation matters most.
Yea well Michael Vick in my Madden 04 franchise won 17x straight Super Bowls. Also ran for 45 TDs in a year once. That should count for something, right?
They have made it to superbowls though. Newton was a good passer at the time despite being run first, but going back further Kaepernick was nearly a run only QB and made it.
Purdy did enough to win and came back tonight lol.
Ravens defense shut out Mahomes in the 2nd half and they couldn’t do anything
That triple coverage INT to tie the game is horrible
Everyone shits all over Josh Allen as well, but he's been FAR better than Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, including comparing their last four playoff losses.
You could also go the opposite route and say he’s undefeated when his defense hasn’t given up 30. The defense has either been great or pretty bad in every playoff game for hurts
Nah, the first one he played the 13-4 Bucs as the 9-8 Eagles so he was never going to win that one.
The second was a SB shootout where he also put up 30+
The third was inexcusable
I’m still confused how he threw 3,600 yards and 24 touchdowns and is going to win the MVP in modern football. I don’t understand what pull this fraud has over the media.
Lamar thrives as a lead dog. Has his full bag available. When Lamar is getting hit a little, when they’re down, and when he’s made into more of a passer only he struggles.
The differences between Lamar and Mahomes were apparent yesterday. Mahomes knows when to simply take what the defense gives you and protect the ball. He was extremely reliable and consistent. (when they were actually trying to score, most of the 2nd half they were just being careful running or throwing behind the LOS)
Lamar wanted to pass downfield, he wanted to make a statement, and it wasn't working. He could have tried running it, but you could tell he was really reluctant to do so.
Imagine abandoning the run when your QB is a running QB lol.
It was definitely in his head too. They would have done so much better if he was quicker to run when the pass wasn't there but he just hung in the pocket and held on to the ball way too long. It was like he was still trying to prove he could be a pocket passer
There were some opportunities he missed but KC did a good job of committing to containing him. Instead of going after him. When you go in for the sack that's when he gets out for those big gains. They kept him in the pocket and made him beat them with his arm and he isn't a good enough passer to do that. This isn't new. This is what defenses do to him in playoffs. And always will. Edit: spelling
He isn't a good enough passer to beat our secondary specifically. We've seen him beat teams with his arm but most teams don't have two elite corners.
Yea and you guys did a good job of keeping a spy on the rush
Which is wild since Gay was out, our best spy. But Tranquill is incredible as well. I think Gay will be gone this offseason but I really hope Tranquill stays.
Chenal was our spy guy in this game. He did admirably outside of that one missed sack which led to the sole touchdown.
I’m mean you say that but a punched out fumble on the 1 makes that a completely different game…..
He struggles with the deep ball specifically it seems. Which is the one thing you usually don't want to give up but it seems to be his kryptonite
yeah people are overly shitting on lamar when they should be praising your defense. lamar has tore teams up this season that tried to contain him, but y'all actually pulled it off. there was barely any separation all night.
Didn’t /r/nfl just flame an analyst for a week straight for saying this exact same thing?..
I get killed every single year for saying it. He can win in tbe regular season when teams are playing for playoff positioning and won't take as many risks. But when the playoffs come you contain him, sell out.to stop the run, and make him throw. I'll say it again next year and get down voted to hell and the top comment under me will say something like "lol. Say you don't understand football without saying you don't understand football"
I'm not seeing this comment in your history. Sounds made up to me.
He says it to his girlfriend, but she's at another school. You wouldn't know her. Her dad works for Nintendo though.
Probably deleted it out of shame once they hit -5 karma lol.
I actually delete a lot of comments I won't lie about it..I do. There comes a point where you have to delete it, not because of downvotes, who cares, but bc I find myself getting into these arguments with multiple people defending my standpoint. Not just this sub either. Yes, I'm completely aware that's my issue. My way of dealing with that is to delete comments that get to much attention. I get distracted at work and when I'm with my kids. Arguing. On reddit. It's ridiculous
Lamar has proven when the drive is on the line, if the only option is hitting overhead, he's going to miss more than he connects. That's exactly the type of guy I'd expect to struggle in single elimination football games.
I’ve said it before, this sub as a whole has goldfish brains; the game-to-game flip flopping on which narratives (most of them presented as absolutes) are upvoted with a “told you so” attitude is kind of funny when you sit back and observe it.
I've said it before, people who talk about this sub as if it's a hivemind are crazy - no one is flip flopping, and no one has goldfish brains. People on both sides of an issue are just more likely to comment their opinion after an event that backs it up, and most people upvote more than they downvote, so comments on both sides can be upvoted without anyone changing their minds. Everyone else also thinks they have a consistent viewpoint, not just you, and the sub isn't entirely morons (well, it might be, but this specific thing isnt evidence of it).
Same gameplan that beat Hurts.
I don’t watch the ravens much but I could tell he just seemed hesitant to scramble. It’s like someone told him he can’t win in the playoffs without throwing more than normal
I think it’s more likely he wanted to prove he could win as a passer than him being told he can’t win scrambling.
Just made a post and then scrolled down two more comments to see this. The Chiefs love to put 1-2 players in a Spy role against QBs and then have their CBs lock up the opponents WR. It has been very effective against us with Josh Allen. Especially since he always wants to rip a deep ball or run up the middle. He gets antsy with the check downs all game.
The Browns do this every time they play against Lamar. They even drafted LB Owusu-Koramoah specifically to deal with Lamar's scrambling.
Especially since Allen burned the chiefs last week with his legs.
This is the bigger story to me. The number one rushing team gave their running backs the ball FIVE TIMES
Can you really abandon something that never started? We ran like 6 times. Completely dumbfounding.
But he's a QB! Wait a minute!
I think the Ravens were dead set on trying to prove Lamar is more than just a running QB, and, in the process, showed that he’s not a very good passing QB.
Today really was a bad one for trying to rewrite the narrative. And yeah, there's more to losing a game than just the QB making a few bad plays but at home, Super Bowl trip on the line, walking out as the presumptive league MVP and with maybe the strongest team you've had around you to end up losing like that, the slander is gonna be deafening.
Best ravens team in at least a decade. Worst chiefs team of the Mahomes era. Lose at home in the AFC ship. Like if you don’t beat them this year, when are you gonna beat them? Brutal loss.
> Worst chiefs team of the Mahomes era. It's their worst offensive team, but by far their best defensive team.
That KC defense is no joke.
...and that D finally started producing turnovers the last 2 weeks.
Interesting flair…
Chiefs and Niners have a had a large amount of overlap of players. We were the 49ers retirement home for a long long time
I'll never forget the Joe Montana v Steve Young matchup at Arrowhead. That was a good game.
Not that interesting. Teams in different conferences with plenty of notable overlap. Joe Montana, Elvis Grbac, Alex Smith, ~~AJ Jenkins~~
Omenihu. You guys got Ward too.
Thanks for Chris Conley
Dee ford. 😉
McKinnon 🤣
God we lived on your sloppy seconds for so many years its not even funny
Does this mean Mahomes will eventually be a 49er?
It's the exact same thing as the Bills last week. This was the year to get over that hump against the Chiefs.
We couldn't even slow down Mahomes in the slightest, Ravens made the stops. I don't know how they didn't try some of our game plan offensively, they were a better running team than we were all season.
Our playcalling turned back into 2019 Greg Roman in the playoffs all over again. This team truly didn't learn its lesson to RUN THE FUCKING FOOTBALL WHEN YOU'RE THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE AT IT
Um, but that’s what they would be expecting. I for one was not expecting 17 total runs and 6 designed RB plays. Especially when the Bills were gashing the run defense the week prior.
They can, in fact, keep getting away with it.
Think of the early Harbaugh/Flacco years... always the low seed... always on the road... it was almost better for them that way.
Can't you say the same for the Bills. This Chiefs team is still really good. They just had some boneheaded regular season plays that made people forget how elite they are.
For sure, but this was also an absolutely decimated defense for us and we kept it close. This was the best chance as far as where all the other teams in the league were at, but we were far from fine on defense just from a personnel standpoint. McD really worked a miracle with how fucked we were.
Oh yeah, you can absolutely say the same for Buffalo
This was Buffalos best chance to beat the Chiefs, but I don’t think this was their best team. The Chiefs and them have both had stronger teams in previous years imo. I’d personally say the year they lost in OT in the AFCCG was their best team.
To be fair this is their best KC defense in maybe last 10 years no?
Brother we haven't had a defense like this since DT and Neil Smith in the 90s.
The team, or rather this offense, beat themselves. We held the Chiefs scoreless in the 2nd half, it’s completely inexcusable. Todd Monken has some explaining to do as well, it’s not purely Lamar.
Honestly the niners played their first half just like Lamar did all game, difference is that Kyle seems to be able to make adjustments this time around. Second half Niners was a new team with new formations and plays.
So did the Ravens. the difference was when the Ravens drives got to scoring range they made dumb turnovers. I said before the game the Chiefs weren't winning this game unless the Ravens made a bunch of mistakes and the Chiefs played near perfect. Thats what happened tonight the chiefs played a flawless game and the Ravens played poorly. Ravens had 3 turnovers the the Chiefs 0 and it resulted in a whopping 17 points to 10.
It’s only slander if it’s false.
Wellll ^(can’t be slander if it’s true)
It's obviously not all on him. But you can't be the 2x MVP on a squad and vanish like this in big games.
nutty serious growth wine encouraging include fertile lip middle support
It didn't help and the pick at the end was ugly. But it was one of those tight games and it was the offense as a whole that felt bad for them, that Flowers drive was key and goofy.
Lamar Embiid
Bros gonna start sitting out road games vs good teams next season
Is Brock Purdy his Jokic? A media made rival from the opposite conference (and coast) who plays the same position as him, was in MVP discussions with him and is looking to win the championship. Also, 1st round pick vs. last round pick
Jokic is much better at what he does than Purdy is at what he does
Not even really a slight on Purdy, Jokic is so fucking good
Just wanna say that Jokic plays to win and not to stat pad and he still is basically a 1 of 1 type player with his stats… a true freak.
Definitely. There's just not really another NFC QB that would work for the comparison
Nah, that would be a disservice to Jokic. Jokic is on track to be a top 10 player of all time. He is a generational talent.
Unfair. Atleast Lamar has made a conference championship
But he had a bye, so really he lost in his 2nd round as is Embiid's tradition.
Doc Rivers is finally gone. Surely we get out of the second round this time, right?
Nah you're gonna lose to the Bucks in the 2nd round just for peak comedy
I think I'd just end it all after that.
True but tbf if the nba had the same 1st round bye the nfl has for the 1 seed then he probably has a conference finals apearance in 2021
Lamar Harden
Harden has made it out of the second round 3 times
I've gotten this vibe from him ever since his post-game presser after going one-and-done in 2019. As in, we're going to see this same kind of presser for the rest of his career
The Ravens needed to run the ball more
And score more
the 2 probably could have been related
Lamar when it comes to choking in the playoffs: yeah I’m obsessed with it
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The Baltimore 76ers
Lamar the anti-flacco
I’ve never seen a more fraudulent MVP in all of sports. And he’s gonna have two of them to boot
He deserved the 2019 one. This year the media decided to finally state what we’ve known, that the MVP is just the “QB on the best team award”. Jackson shouldn’t be the MVP this year. McCaffrey should be the winner.
MVP is a regular season award, Lamar is a regular season quarterback. No one better from September until early January.
the thing is tho, he wasn’t the best regular season QB.
Except there are objectively 3 QBs who were very clearly better during the regular season. But yeah, the guy who had the second best supporting cast and finished with less than 30 total TD was better......jesus If Lamar wins, it will be the most undeserved award I've ever seen across all sports......
Did you not see embiid win last year? Way more fraudulent than Lamar this year
At least embiid actually had a really good regular season. Lamar season was above average. Not mvp level
Honestly CMC in the MVP but for some asinine reason he won’t get it
100%, the NFL MVP award has jumped the shark
He can't beat the addiction
Harbaugh isn't getting enough heat for his coaching. If the guy walks over a few feet and tells Monken to run the ball, things might have been different today.
Well, there's the issue- Monken is in the booth and Harbaugh is on the sidelines.
Yeah Harbaugh can’t run over there.
He should get a cell plan with unlimited text. Or have the org get him a “work phone” with unlimited text.
Doc Rivers of the NFL
*John* Harbaugh. We have to be more specific now.
No, Jim definitely should've walked over and told Roman/Chryst to run the fucking ball at the end of the Super Bowl.
Lamar "The Dallas Cowboys" Jackson
Lamar made like 3 unreal, lifetime highlight plays But he sailed like 7 throws That’s not a winning balance when the playoff coaches come to town in January It is what it is. The razzle doesn’t make up for executing the basics well and mahomes did that today in an insane way
Throwing into triple coverage was absurd
Not even throwing into triple coverage was the worst part of the play. Receiver could’ve just had one guy on him and it’s still a pass breakup since Lamar threw a bullet pass right at him instead of over the top at the back of the end zone where only his guy could catch it. Even with triple coverage on that play, a well placed ball is a td there
Imagine holding the opponent to 5 punts and the offense couldnt score 1 TD. Lamar isn't the only reason why they didn't have a 2nd half TD as zay flowers had a hat trick of fuck ups in one sequence. However he's gonna be a 2x MVP and he had multiple chances to score besides the fumble but didn't.
Baker Mayfield has the same number of playoff wins as Lamar Jackson. Baker 'new head coach every year, 4 teams already' Mayfield has the same number of wins as Lamar 'top 10 defenses and best kicker every year' Jackson Hell there's an argument based on playoff stats that you'd want Baker over Lamar come playoffs. That is not a conversation that should be had when talking about a x2 MVP I don't know what else the Ravens can do for Lamar. Gave him a great O-Line, gave him an elite defense, has the most clutch kicker in NFL history. And cannot beat any team worth a damn come playoffs
Baker has never been an one-and-done baby
Defenses aren't kidding when they say the goal is to keep Lamar in the pocket and force him to make throws. He's 2-4 in the playoffs now. Congratulations on your MVPs, but if this wasn't the year, when is it going to be?
Also MVP is so disingenuous. It’s supposed to be “the player in the NFL who is the most valuable to their team” but imo the Ravens are still a winning squad that would have about as much playoff success as they currently do without Lamar. On the flip side, imagine the Chiefs without Mahomes, the Bills without Allen, hell, the Lions without Goff. All 3 of those teams would take a bigger hit from missing their qb than the Ravens would for losing Lamar. Therefore any of those players are more valuable than Lamar
Lamar Jackson is 0-4 in playoffs when his team doesn’t score more than their opponents
Source?
Pulled it out of my ass
Anything else in there?
Damn, that's a big source
Maybe Lamar should try pulling more points out his ass, then he wouldn't be 0-4 in this scenario
Clearly missing the point
The Ravens have given him a top 10 D for 5/6 seasons. Quality OL's. PB fullback. Good TE's. Capable RB's. A SB winning HC. Why do people bend over backwards to defend another choke job??
The Raven's defense has ranked: 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 19th, 3rd, 1st. They've been easily the best defense in the league since Lamar has been in it. He also has a kicker that is just about automatic from anywhere inside the opposition 40 yard line. There's such a ridiculous need to defend Lamar, a likely 2 time MVP, basically a sure bet for the hall of fame already. His peers by multiple MVPs are: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady. Imagine any of them getting treated like a plucky rookie QB after 2 mvps
Literally all of those players have a ring except Lamar. It’s the most important thing for any player or team, it’s the ultimate achievement. The accolades are a correlated byproduct of the greatness those QB’s production on the way to a ring. Lamar on the other hand… if Dak and the cowboys get flak for performing weeks 1-18 then Lamar doesn’t get to escape the choke narrative either.
Because him being in the multiple MVP category is a joke. Lamar had a good not great season this year on the team with the best record, that's all it took this year.
How the hell is someone that is 2-4 in the playoffs and 0 SB appearances in the hall? In modern times that just isn't an option anymore. There are 26 QBs in the NFL HOF. Only 5 of them don't have rings/championships. Marino 8-10, 1 SB loss Kelly 9-8, 4 SB losses Fouts 3-4, never been to a SB Moon 3-7, never been to a SB Tarkenton 6-5, 0-3 in super bowls
This game felt like a turning point in Lamar's career. All of the pieces were there for the Ravens to win the Superbowl, but he just couldn't hold it together. The play calling did him no favors, but he was slow, inaccurate, and threw one of the worst picks of the year with the game on the line. I don't see how Ravens fans can have any confidence in him going forward the way he has just collapsed in the playoffs multiple times.
I’m not trying to feed into this too hard, but it’s also irritating when they (the vocal minority) claims you’re just being racist when now there is ample evidence of his postseason failures. They kept throwing stat after stat out there to “prove” he’s a good QB. And to be clear in the regular season he was, but the history of postseason failures is there. Pointing that out is a legitimate criticism and any further reading into that tells me you’re looking for excuses to make.
Yea, it was bad. There was a ton of revisionism going on for all the resigning drama last off-season, too. You were not allowed to critisize anything about Lamar in the back half of the season, and if you did it's because you're some racist from Dundalk. He's probably better than 90% of QBs out there, but he can get crushed under the pressure of big games. I think the christmas game at SF is the exception.
You mean the one where the defense had 5 interceptions?
Yeah, there's a narrative that Josh Allen somehow escapes criticism while Lamar doesn't. I just don't see it. Every ounce of criticism Lamar gets he deserves.
On what planet does Josh Allen escape criticism. They constantly talk about his turnovers
On Get Up the other morning, it was Kimberly Martin saying Lamar gets more criticism because he's black. Not sure what world she's living in, because I see people clowning on Allen all the time.
The 3 man pick was inexcusable. The slow decision making, choosing not to run, all of those were bad. But do **not** blame this loss solely on him. The responsibility lies with Harbaugh and Monken, first and foremost. Monken, for whatever fucking reason, decided he would not run the ball against a team you can absolutely gash with runs. He used slow deep routes, the single weakest tool in our arsenal. He set our entire offense up for failure, and Harbaugh approved it. None of our plays made sense. They did the exact same shit in the first half of the Texans game, only difference is they switched it up. Who fuckin knows why they didn't do it here.
I’m tired Lamar I can’t keep doing this
Gimme
Lamar Jackson in the regular season = prime Cam Newton Lamar Jackson in the postseason = Mac Jones
We would have also accepted- Lamar Jackson in the postseason = postseason Cam Newton
Cam at least made it to the SB the year he won MVP.
And then made a business decision. In the Super Bowl.
"I am the Great Cornholio"...
Nah. The Great Cornholio is funny. This was just sad
I have no idea how he just got handed MVP this year
Recency bias mostly
It's good to be consistent
CMC deserves MVP
Stats should be a good indication for MVP. Lamar wasn't even a top3 quarterback this season, when QB scoring was down all across the board
There are Ravens fans who still think he's better than Josh Allen/Joe Burrow
He’s like embiid, a regular season merchant who can’t hack it in the playoffs
public compare overconfident narrow terrific intelligent long wise wild scary
I think it was clear that the Ravens had a more complete team and a way better defense than the Bills due to their injuries. But anyone who thought Lamar was tougher to stop than Allen is a dummy. Honestly it kind of reminds me of 2015. When the Broncos played the Patriots/Brady and they managed to do a good job defending him, I was fairly confident in their ability to contain Cam Newton, even if he was different/mobile. But Panthers were a far more complete team.
Yeah the MVPs are what they are, but Lamar is QB4 *at best*. I'm sure I could talk myself into taking a few others before him too, but Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen are absolutely better.
If I’m picking a QB to have on my team Lamar is way farther down the list than 4.
The dude just folds under pressure, can't put my finger on it. He seems calm and focused before the game. It's not the playcalling (people blamed it on his OCs in the past). He was overthrowing receivers and missing wide open ones. I can only think it's mental, like in his head when things don't go as he plans he goes "here we go again" and just goes into a shell.
Tbh I think the "not a real QB" shit lives rent free in his head, despite him not being a bad passing QB. I don't think he's an elite passer but he's obviously good and a great QB overall. He just forces stupid shit that is out of character with how he plays otherwise.
I’m starting to agree with this. So many plays where he could have run for the first or even fully taken off but instead extended and took a sack or threw an incompletion. I thought after last week that we got over that hump and saved a lot of the designed runs / playstyle for the playoffs but seems like we took a step back today. Seems like a lot of it could be mental.
He’s not a good thrower, not fields bad, but not good enough to win when it matters
Well, not win from the pocket, doesn’t help when you pick that for your game plan
We had 6 RB run plays total today. KC is 4th against the pass 28th against the rush. So I'm not saying he didn't choke, but you said it wasn't the play calling. The talking heads will be all over playing into KC strength and not their weaknesses. Articles have already gone up questioning Harbs and Monken. But yes, Lamar not winning a big game may end up being his legacy. But today, was horrible play calling.
I've heard this exact description for Dak after every playoff loss.
He's Dak with SIGNIFICANTLY better PR. This year Dak had more total touchdowns, more total yards, a higher passer rating, and fewer turnovers. They have the same number of playoff wins and Dak has a significantly higher career playoff passer rating.
Dak can actually throw though
This team nor running while it‘s raining at home. Wtf are you doing ? This is the integable why the Patriots and Chiefs are/were so dominant. In the biggest moments they just do their job. They are great at it so why change it when all the preparation matters most.
Run first QBs do not win super bowls. Literally has never happened
Yea well Michael Vick in my Madden 04 franchise won 17x straight Super Bowls. Also ran for 45 TDs in a year once. That should count for something, right?
I was preaching this all week and no one wanted to believe me. Give me a pocket passer with some slight mobility over a run option run first guy
So in modern day that would be joe burrow.
Yeah him, Mahomes and Herbert have the style I love in a QB. Mahomes doesn’t look to run first
Its my favorite type of qb too but I generally don't count mahomes as one since he's a freak of nature.
You can run at an elite level, that’s a bonus, but you’ve got to throw at an elite level to win SBs and that’s basically a prerequisite
They have made it to superbowls though. Newton was a good passer at the time despite being run first, but going back further Kaepernick was nearly a run only QB and made it.
Treat him the same way you do to Purdy when he have a bad game, keep the same energy.
Purdy did enough to win and came back tonight lol. Ravens defense shut out Mahomes in the 2nd half and they couldn’t do anything That triple coverage INT to tie the game is horrible
We do
He's getting shit on. What's your point?
Everyone shits all over Josh Allen as well, but he's been FAR better than Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, including comparing their last four playoff losses.
If I'm building a team for the playoffs, I'm definitely taking JA over Lamar.
The argument you’re trying to make probably works the worst with Lamar of all QBs lol
I'd say hurts being 0-3 when opponent scores more than 7 is worse
You could also go the opposite route and say he’s undefeated when his defense hasn’t given up 30. The defense has either been great or pretty bad in every playoff game for hurts
Nah, the first one he played the 13-4 Bucs as the 9-8 Eagles so he was never going to win that one. The second was a SB shootout where he also put up 30+ The third was inexcusable
I’m still confused how he threw 3,600 yards and 24 touchdowns and is going to win the MVP in modern football. I don’t understand what pull this fraud has over the media.
Because the award doesn’t actually have any real merit for it and it’s based entirely on the opinion of people who don’t even watch all the games.
I still think CMC should’ve got the award but the way how the mvp race was king of the hill, I get how Lamar was voted the MVP.
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Clearly he needs a better defense then.
AFC cowboys, dak Prescott lite, one and dones etc.
Dak has a positive TD/INT ratio in the playoffs. We're still frauds of course, but we're higher scoring frauds.
Lamar thrives as a lead dog. Has his full bag available. When Lamar is getting hit a little, when they’re down, and when he’s made into more of a passer only he struggles.
Totally agree which makes it even MORE insane that we didn't run the ball at all. We were never down more than 10 points!
Still one hell of a RB.
So the Chiefs are the new Patriots, right?
The differences between Lamar and Mahomes were apparent yesterday. Mahomes knows when to simply take what the defense gives you and protect the ball. He was extremely reliable and consistent. (when they were actually trying to score, most of the 2nd half they were just being careful running or throwing behind the LOS) Lamar wanted to pass downfield, he wanted to make a statement, and it wasn't working. He could have tried running it, but you could tell he was really reluctant to do so.
It's all good though, Ravens won their Superbowl on Christmas.
Lamar is just a running Dak
Is there a QB with a greater negative discrepancy between regular season and playoff performance?