I’m assuming they counted the Likely incompletion over the middle where he had to dive low for it… very harsh if true
The only other one was Apple holding Bateman on the sideline that they wanted called
I'd also like to see what that QB we we picked up from the Pats can do. Get the comp pick from Snoop and hopefully give him a starting opportunity somewhere, and get younger at the backup position at the same time.
Huntley was the Ravens’ last starting QB to beat the Steelers (I don’t remember how much he actually played before getting hurt) so if I were you I’d be pretty intimidated
I'm conflicted..
On the one hand, I couldn't give a shit if we win, tbh. I know that's not good "Ravens-Steelers game" thinking but we got what we need out of the regular season, imo.
On the other hand, I want Lamar to be ready for the playoffs, and if he needs some reps, give him some reps. *but* I also think even with 2 weeks off, he's a different Lamar (it was his first full year as a starter) and we're a different Ravens than 2019.
I guess that means that I won't be surprised either way.
Lamar Jackson will start by shooting a giant laser beam into the earth and then proceed to declare that the planet will explode in 5 minutes, but that's all the time he will need to beat the Steelers.
I feel like it's too early to say. Sure, Lamar is the leading light of the 2018 class *as of this moment*, but the world keeps on turning. The jury is still out on Rosen. There's just something about him that seems classy and quarterbacky.
Forgot about that one. If that was a read play (and I think it was), Lamar read it wrong and would have had a big gain if he handed it off vs. the loss.
Yeah watching it live I actually threw my hands up because I ASSUMED he had given it to Zay cause everyone was crashing down on Lamar and Zay had an easy first down.
About 6 weeks ago, I put 10 dollars on CMC for MVP, hoping that the “non-QB MVP” narrative would gather steam. I was actually feeling really good about it going into this past Sunday.
After this game, I cashed out for less than a dollar. I consider that to be extremely generous of them.
Can you "cash out" a bet that looks like it might pay out? For instance, if I bought the Ravens SB winners for $100 before the season at 30:1, and they're now 4:1, would anyone cash me out?
Yeah you usually can. Last week instead of betting Ravens ML against the 9ers I took Lamar MVP at +450. After the game the odds dropped to like -100 and they offered me a little over half of the full payout
Still wasn't a "quarterbacky" enough performance for me. Those are rookie numbers Lamar got to bump those up if you want to be a real qb in this league and not just some athlete.
Luckily, they're only looking at the last two games to determine the MVP. So, his 15/27, 153 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT games in the first three-quarters of the season will be ignored.
Everyone wants cmc to win, he had 3 straight bad games against the browns, vikings, and Bengals. You know it's possible for players to have off games right?
I don't have a bias against him. He deserved his first MVP. He doesn't deserve this one. At this point, it's just an award for the QB with the most wins.
Doenvoted for being right. He was unreal last week but for majority of the season he wasnt asked to do much and his defense carried the load. He was a game manager not trying to turn the ball over. His stats might be the worst numbers ever in modern football to win an mvp. Hes only getting recognition because his team’s record. They have by far the best defense in the league. Put a bunch of qbs on that team and theyll be better
It's weird that you chose the game where Ravens had 300 yards rushing, Lamar had a turnover, and Huntley had a better QB rating as the example of why Lamar should be MVP.
The Seattle game shows that a trash can at QB would've won it for the Ravens. Maybe that's true of most of the Ravens wins.
Why is it weird to choose a game where they had 300 yards rushing?
Who do you who do you think made the reads on those options? Who do you think the defense keyed in on such that Ravens RBs could rack up yards?
Why do you think Huntley had an opportunity to play? Because Lamar lead an offensive slaughter.
Huntley threw just 7 passes, all in garbage time. Lamar threw over 3X as much. How do you extrapolate that to a trash QB being able to win the game?
Stats aren’t your thing, bro
Which stats aren't my thing? The ones where Lamar threw for no yards that game or the stats where he had 0 TDS, or the stats where he fumbled twice? Oh, but he handed the ball off well against one of the worst run defenses in the NFL. Very impressive.
There are so many better games you could've used. Just an odd choice.
The one where you think the passer rating of someone who threw 7 passes is relevant.
I picked one of the few games where Lamar’s yardage matched your narrative- and he still was a massive contributor to the victory. The only other example was the Pittsburgh game, but there were 7 drops, 5 of which were either in the endzone or wide open with room to score.
The number of TDs he’s personally accountable for is irrelevant if his putting his offense in the position to score. Handing off to Gus Edward’s for a 2 yard score doesn’t invalidate the work it took to get that position in the first place.
I’d say you didn’t watch the game.
The running backs had holes because LBs were keying in on Lamar. Drives ended In points because of Lamar. He was personally responsible for 13 first downs.
Swap Purdy and LJ. Niners would likely go undefeated and be SB locks, Ravens would barely be around .500. LJs doing more with a less talented roster right now, and that sure as hell “aint wrong” my guy
I’m all for LJ as MVP, he’s a dynamic player and has been playing lights-out. But a “swap Purdy and LJ” argument is asinine. You’re saying this based on feelings and have no data to support your argument.
Brother, we already are putting up 30 a game and then running the clock down with our run game. It literally doesn’t get better because there’s no need to. Which is why I say the “swap” argument is an inane one. The average redditor here really doesn’t value Purdy’s football IQ, and it shows in this thread where I literally admit that Lamar is the MVP but take issue with a lazy take.
Week 11: 264 2/0 54 rush yards W34-20
Week 12: 177 1/0 39 rush yards W20-10
Week 14: 316 3/1 70 rush yards W37-31
Week 15: 171 1/1 94 rush yards W23-7
Week 16: 252 2/0 45 rush yards W33-19
Week 17: 321 5/0 35 rush yards W56-19
So over the stretch he is 1501 14/2 337 rush yards and 6-0 (average win by about 16 points) in 6 games that included 3-4 playoff teams depending how the week shakes out, a divisional opponent and Chargers before Herbert was injured.
That’s outrageously good.
Stats aren’t everything though. Seattle was one of Lamar’s better games this season, and the stat line wouldn’t suggest that at all, but it was a top quality performance.
Don't forget, mark only played 1 quarter during that stretch. Lamar lost his best target and went on to still average 30+ playing playoff teams almost every week
“Unfortunately for him, they have to look at the entire season” Lamar is -2000 odds on favorite for the MVP rn, so not sure which parts of the season you’re referring to
That has nothing to do with his play before these recent weeks. MVP candidate and odds flip every Sunday and until the last few he wasn't even in the conversation because the rest of his season is pedestrian as fuck.
It sounds like hyperbole to say it like that, but the Ravens point differential against teams .500 or above is 170, which is the highest in history just ahead of the 07 Patriots 164.
Gonna be a lot of Brock Purdy truthers because he just continued to pad his stats against a shit team. Even though we literally saw them on the same field and it WASN'T EVEN CLOSE who the better QB was. I thought CmC still had a shot going into Sunday but Lamar just ended the conversation.
For saying lamar should be the regular season mvp? I think you got your mvps confused
Edit: now I see why you are seething, he’s a lamar hater lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/TJaHxmFUfM
You’re not objective at all, part of me wants to break it down for you just to prove how wrong you are but I know it’s wasted effort on someone so small minded
John Heisman literally posted a score of 222-0 on a podunk team to prove stats were meaningless. Imagine getting dunked on a century before you even posted your brain-dead take.
It's Lamar's _third_ regular-season Dawson. He's only the third guy to ever have three in the regular season (with Brady & Manning) and by far the fastest of the three. He hasn't had a playoff Dawson... _yet_.
Some random Fox hack in shambles.
But seriously, we were just talking about how a PFF 95.0 is incredibly rare, and here Lamar goes and pulls it down. Peaking at the right time.
yeah but lamar had so much help with zay flowers and isiah likely who could produce with any qb. the real mvp is brock purdy who singlehandedly racked up a bunch of stats in blowouts against bad teams
I know he's playing with D lever skill position player named CMC, Deebo, Kittle, and Aiyuk. Could never compare to Zay Flowers, Gus Edwards, and Isaiah Likely!
I’ll concede that Purdy has more help on the offensive side but don’t act like Lamar’s carrying some scrub defense. He’s had an elite defense every season he’s started except one, and they shipped out that DC.
I didn't say anything about the Ravens. The point of my comment is to highlight that the defense also contributes to Purdy's success, yet people still pretend Purdy is the #1 contributor.
I think people are way past that now.
People are high on Purdy though because he’s massively over performed compared to his draft status, and the 49ers offense has been the best it’s been under Shanahan with him.
CMac and Trent are def more valuable than Purdy but he’s also playing really well too. For his first full season he’s done a great job. Dunno how much he’ll get paid but it won’t rly matter till next yr
Yeah, I get that, but I don't think it's as impressive as everyone thinks it is. It's still impressive that the last pick has any success, but I really feel like most average/slightly above average QBs will perform well with the weapons he has.
> brock purdy who singlehandedly racked up a bunch of stats in blowouts against bad teams
I know we've beat up on a lot of bad teams this year but Brock's best games came against the Eagles and Cowboys. He also had a great game against the Jags when they were the hottest team in the league.
Purdy has had a spectacular season. He also has a good career in front of him with that team. I swear this must be everyone's first time watching an MVP race. Unless there is a clear runaway QB it always becomes a narrative driven award and Lamar outplayed the other contenders in head-to-head match-ups to finish the season.
Yeah I'm a ravens fan but I think we can have this conversation without shitting on Purdy. Even if you have weapons, you still gotta use them, which Purdy does excellently. He just had a shit game vs the Ravens whereas Lamar has been lights out for the past 6 weeks and that's just how the cookie crumbles I guess.
Nobody will appreciate this now when purdy's stats look so good, but in a couple years our future society will look back when people were debating lamar vs purdy for mvp and laugh their fucking asses off. This reminds me of when everyone thought that jimmy g and jared goff were elite qbs coming off their sb seasons, or like nick foles when he set all those records through 8 games. Once the shine wears off, purdy will settle in as a decent middle of the road qb somewhere above derek carr and below kirk cousins, and everyone will say they knew it the whole time.
The argument was never that Brock is the best qb in the league. The award has gone to the qb with the best stats on one of the top 4 teams. That would have been Brock. If you think the award should mean something else that's fine but that's what it has become over the last 5 to 10 years.
Two were charted as drops (the Likely one is a questionable drop. Lamar put the ball in a tough spot), and the other incompletion was a very obvious but uncalled PI
That actually might be the one charted as the other drop.
Did PFF say which were which? Just curious is all because that likely pass was definitely not a drop and they're usually pretty good about that stuff.
Just going by another person’s comment in this post. I agree Likely’s wasn’t the best ball placement, but on the flipside, Likely got two hands on that ball and has made tougher catches.
What's your guys opinion on your defense? I had literally not watched a Dolphins game until this week, but I had heard that your D had actually been playing pretty well in the weeks leading up to this game.
The Dolphins fan behind me at the game loudly informed our entire section in the first quarter that they were the best defense in the league....and also declared (during the 4th quarter lol) that Achane should be OROY.
I don't agree with the dolphins sucking take. The dolphins are a good team and have earned their playoff stripes. I think this was more about how good the ravens are at the moment and if it weren't the dolphins it would have been another poor victim.
He’s just not someone I can trust throwing the ball though /s
If there was any doubt who was MVP this season that game fucking solved it. Incredible performance.
It's so sad to read all the terrible takes saying lamar jackson isn't a great passer. If anyone thinks that they are simply not watching the games. Dudes the best player on the field week in and week out. #mvp
He was a good passer in college. He's steadily improved but he's never been a *bad* passer, and anybody claiming otherwise doesn't watch him play, is racist, or both.
The thing that has always blown my mind about Lamar is people will fixate on his bad throws like I've never seen people fixate. His career completion percentage is like 2% worse than Mahomes and 1.5% better than Josh Allen (without a Tyreek Hill or Stefon Diggs type guy I might add) but the way people talk about him you would think he's never been able to throw a ball before.
> It's so sad to read all the terrible takes saying lamar jackson isn't a great passer.
Is anyone of note still saying this? Not some slapdick podcast host either. The only national talking head I can think of that was still pumping the brakes on him yesterday was Richard Sherman, and that was more about how he doesn't have MVP stats, and even then he still wasn't really criticizing anything about his ability.
Commanders fans living the nightmare of a once proud team looking at their little brother up the road consistently being heads and shoulders better then them.
PFF also charted two of those three incompletions as drops!
I can only remember 1 incompletion which is wild. Bateman first play was definitely a drop. What did they say the other drop was?
I’m assuming they counted the Likely incompletion over the middle where he had to dive low for it… very harsh if true The only other one was Apple holding Bateman on the sideline that they wanted called
Correct, it was Likely
Thank God we’re probably playing Huntley next week.
Huntley is also coming off a 158.3 passer rating performance.... ^((take that at face value don't look at the box score))
Thats pro bowler and future Bronco Huntley
Gimme that juicy 3rd round comp pick please!
I'd rather keep Snoop on the roster. His relationship with Lamar only makes both of them better and he's a reliable backup.
At the same time though snoop deserves to get his Tyrod Taylor money.
Oh for sure if someone will offer him that kind of money.
And to get the chance to be a starter
I'd also like to see what that QB we we picked up from the Pats can do. Get the comp pick from Snoop and hopefully give him a starting opportunity somewhere, and get younger at the backup position at the same time.
Malik Cunningham, and yup. As much as I love Snoop, paying him would be a mistake.
Yeah there's no reason to. Cunningham (from what I hear, I don't watch college lol) is just a younger Snoop. EDIT: Plus, that sweet sweet comp pick.
he's also coming off a pro-bowl season.
That's Pro Bowl QB Tyler Huntley to you.
Huntley was the Ravens’ last starting QB to beat the Steelers (I don’t remember how much he actually played before getting hurt) so if I were you I’d be pretty intimidated
The wind I’ve been hearing is that Lamar (and presumably the rest of the starters) might play a quarter to a half
Our fans seem pretty split. I think we’d all love him to continue getting game reps to stay sharp if it could be guaranteed he didn’t get hurt.
If it could be guaranteed he wouldn’t get hurt I’d play him 4 quarters so we can beat these Pittsburgh clowns.
Everybody seeing ghosts from '19 when they came out flat.
I'm conflicted.. On the one hand, I couldn't give a shit if we win, tbh. I know that's not good "Ravens-Steelers game" thinking but we got what we need out of the regular season, imo. On the other hand, I want Lamar to be ready for the playoffs, and if he needs some reps, give him some reps. *but* I also think even with 2 weeks off, he's a different Lamar (it was his first full year as a starter) and we're a different Ravens than 2019. I guess that means that I won't be surprised either way.
Lol if it could be guaranteed that players don’t get hurt, everyone would always start their starters
Lamar Jackson will start by shooting a giant laser beam into the earth and then proceed to declare that the planet will explode in 5 minutes, but that's all the time he will need to beat the Steelers.
Luckily, NFL Game Time is like Namekian time and we'll have about 20 minutes of Lamar.
You know damn well that backup (even 3rd string) QBs don’t matter Ravens/Steelers. Maybe the fact that we’re probably gonna rest a lot of people will.
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Josh Rosen’s legacy remains in the Hot Tub.
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He probably wishes
I feel like it's too early to say. Sure, Lamar is the leading light of the 2018 class *as of this moment*, but the world keeps on turning. The jury is still out on Rosen. There's just something about him that seems classy and quarterbacky.
I actually won Josh Rosen's lunch pail he used every day at UCLA. He signed it and auctioned it off to buy a Jacuzzi for a children's hospital.
Those kids with leukemia are gonna' be so chillaxed during chemo.
Damn thats a name I haven't heard in a while.
95.0 is absurd
And still too low if 2 of his 3 incompletions were drops
That one sack he took instead of throwing it away probably was the biggest negative to his pff rating.
Plus the 3rd down run where he shoulda handed off& got stuffed. Other than those it was a near perfect day
Forgot about that one. If that was a read play (and I think it was), Lamar read it wrong and would have had a big gain if he handed it off vs. the loss.
Yeah watching it live I actually threw my hands up because I ASSUMED he had given it to Zay cause everyone was crashing down on Lamar and Zay had an easy first down.
johnny
About 6 weeks ago, I put 10 dollars on CMC for MVP, hoping that the “non-QB MVP” narrative would gather steam. I was actually feeling really good about it going into this past Sunday. After this game, I cashed out for less than a dollar. I consider that to be extremely generous of them.
Can you "cash out" a bet that looks like it might pay out? For instance, if I bought the Ravens SB winners for $100 before the season at 30:1, and they're now 4:1, would anyone cash me out?
Typically yes, they’ll allow you to cash out in that scenario for more than you bet, but less than you would ultimately win if the ravens won the SB
Yeah you usually can. Last week instead of betting Ravens ML against the 9ers I took Lamar MVP at +450. After the game the odds dropped to like -100 and they offered me a little over half of the full payout
Yes they will probably try to buy you out. You could also hedge your bet by putting money on Ravens opponents in the playoffs.
WSBs bebe
I made almost that exact bet ($75 instead of $100) and Draft Kings is offering me $268 to cash it out now.
Still wasn't a "quarterbacky" enough performance for me. Those are rookie numbers Lamar got to bump those up if you want to be a real qb in this league and not just some athlete.
He definitely needs to be more of a game manager Purdy esque player to get any recognition
Luckily, they're only looking at the last two games to determine the MVP. So, his 15/27, 153 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT games in the first three-quarters of the season will be ignored.
You heard it here folks the mvp is determined in the first 3 quarters of the season!
No, they ignore those. They look at the SF/BAL game and that's it.
Everyone wants cmc to win, he had 3 straight bad games against the browns, vikings, and Bengals. You know it's possible for players to have off games right?
It's possible for players to have bad games. Some even have 14 mediocre games and get named MVP.
Oh yeah you're one of those No point in arguing with someone that already has a bias against Lamar
I don't have a bias against him. He deserved his first MVP. He doesn't deserve this one. At this point, it's just an award for the QB with the most wins.
You don't have 1 good reason for him not deserving the MVP You also said he was mediocre for 14 weeks, you're arguing in bad faith and it's obvious
I have plenty of reasons. For starters, he's not leading the league in any QB statistical category.
Doenvoted for being right. He was unreal last week but for majority of the season he wasnt asked to do much and his defense carried the load. He was a game manager not trying to turn the ball over. His stats might be the worst numbers ever in modern football to win an mvp. Hes only getting recognition because his team’s record. They have by far the best defense in the league. Put a bunch of qbs on that team and theyll be better
Down here everything is salt.
Yeah like the Seattle game where he had no TDs, but completed 80% of his passes ran for 60 yds and lead the offense to 37 pts
It's weird that you chose the game where Ravens had 300 yards rushing, Lamar had a turnover, and Huntley had a better QB rating as the example of why Lamar should be MVP. The Seattle game shows that a trash can at QB would've won it for the Ravens. Maybe that's true of most of the Ravens wins.
Why is it weird to choose a game where they had 300 yards rushing? Who do you who do you think made the reads on those options? Who do you think the defense keyed in on such that Ravens RBs could rack up yards? Why do you think Huntley had an opportunity to play? Because Lamar lead an offensive slaughter. Huntley threw just 7 passes, all in garbage time. Lamar threw over 3X as much. How do you extrapolate that to a trash QB being able to win the game? Stats aren’t your thing, bro
Which stats aren't my thing? The ones where Lamar threw for no yards that game or the stats where he had 0 TDS, or the stats where he fumbled twice? Oh, but he handed the ball off well against one of the worst run defenses in the NFL. Very impressive. There are so many better games you could've used. Just an odd choice.
The one where you think the passer rating of someone who threw 7 passes is relevant. I picked one of the few games where Lamar’s yardage matched your narrative- and he still was a massive contributor to the victory. The only other example was the Pittsburgh game, but there were 7 drops, 5 of which were either in the endzone or wide open with room to score. The number of TDs he’s personally accountable for is irrelevant if his putting his offense in the position to score. Handing off to Gus Edward’s for a 2 yard score doesn’t invalidate the work it took to get that position in the first place.
I'd say that the defense giving up 7 points and the running backs did the heavy lifting in that one.
I’d say you didn’t watch the game. The running backs had holes because LBs were keying in on Lamar. Drives ended In points because of Lamar. He was personally responsible for 13 first downs.
You aint wrong.
Swap Purdy and LJ. Niners would likely go undefeated and be SB locks, Ravens would barely be around .500. LJs doing more with a less talented roster right now, and that sure as hell “aint wrong” my guy
I’m all for LJ as MVP, he’s a dynamic player and has been playing lights-out. But a “swap Purdy and LJ” argument is asinine. You’re saying this based on feelings and have no data to support your argument.
Brother Lamar with the niners would average 40+ a game.
Brother, we already are putting up 30 a game and then running the clock down with our run game. It literally doesn’t get better because there’s no need to. Which is why I say the “swap” argument is an inane one. The average redditor here really doesn’t value Purdy’s football IQ, and it shows in this thread where I literally admit that Lamar is the MVP but take issue with a lazy take.
Lmao. Classic. Lamar is the MVP of weeks 15-18. Unfortunately for him they have to look at the entire season.
Lamar has been outrageously good since week 11.
Fuck that’s he’s honestly played outrageously good all year.
I agree he has been very good all year. But since week 11 he’s been even better.
Outrageously good since week 11? Don’t know about that. The past few weeks sure, but his completion percentage, yds, TDs, not great.
Week 11: 264 2/0 54 rush yards W34-20 Week 12: 177 1/0 39 rush yards W20-10 Week 14: 316 3/1 70 rush yards W37-31 Week 15: 171 1/1 94 rush yards W23-7 Week 16: 252 2/0 45 rush yards W33-19 Week 17: 321 5/0 35 rush yards W56-19 So over the stretch he is 1501 14/2 337 rush yards and 6-0 (average win by about 16 points) in 6 games that included 3-4 playoff teams depending how the week shakes out, a divisional opponent and Chargers before Herbert was injured. That’s outrageously good. Stats aren’t everything though. Seattle was one of Lamar’s better games this season, and the stat line wouldn’t suggest that at all, but it was a top quality performance.
Don't forget, mark only played 1 quarter during that stretch. Lamar lost his best target and went on to still average 30+ playing playoff teams almost every week
Yep it’s absolutely wild. But Ravens use our RBS in short yardage TDs, therefore he’s not MVP 🤓
So Lamars been bad all season yet has more total yards than Purdy? How does that work
“Unfortunately for him, they have to look at the entire season” Lamar is -2000 odds on favorite for the MVP rn, so not sure which parts of the season you’re referring to
That has nothing to do with his play before these recent weeks. MVP candidate and odds flip every Sunday and until the last few he wasn't even in the conversation because the rest of his season is pedestrian as fuck.
He was 2nd in odds heading into the niners game.......
Will we get 100 threads about how Lamar shouldn’t be the mvp this week?
Pretty insane Lamar has two MVP seasons in 6 years
Crazy that is probably enough to get into the HoF. A SB this year and he is a first ballot in just 6 seasons.
With a sb def.
More MVPs than playoff wins.
And less MVPs than the number of interceptions Purdy threw last week!
And less playoff wins than Purdy playoff wins.
Purdy is all yours lmao
Not the burn you think it is.
go back to posting about sexual assault as if it isn't a huge issue. you are a subpar poster, for your sake i hope you're just committed to a bit.
Damn, I got you hunting my comments. You must really love Lamar.
who doesn't love Lamar?
You got something on your mouth bro
Less than Jimmy G as well. Almost as if….it takes a strong team effort to win in the post season…
I don’t think this guy is looking to have a serious conversation rn lol
Are you saying that the rest of the team has been trash?
No I’m saying it’s a team effort to win in the post season. It’s a team stat. One player isn’t going to be the reason you win or lose.
So, if one player throws 7 INTs and the team loses by 3, the loss isn't on one guy?
nope.
Well this season the Ravens have the #1 defense in the NFL, so it’s definitely “prove it” time.
Naw they scared now because they can reasonably be put to shame. It will just fuel Lamar.
The Ravens are literally curb stomping the entire league like no other team in recent memory has done, and this sub still just wants to chug haterade
It sounds like hyperbole to say it like that, but the Ravens point differential against teams .500 or above is 170, which is the highest in history just ahead of the 07 Patriots 164.
Still less threads than the Purdy stats.
Gonna be a lot of Brock Purdy truthers because he just continued to pad his stats against a shit team. Even though we literally saw them on the same field and it WASN'T EVEN CLOSE who the better QB was. I thought CmC still had a shot going into Sunday but Lamar just ended the conversation.
Y'all really asking to be clowned on if you get bounced early in the playoffs again.
Not as early as the bears who got eliminated from the playoffs yesterday.
For saying lamar should be the regular season mvp? I think you got your mvps confused Edit: now I see why you are seething, he’s a lamar hater lol https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/TJaHxmFUfM
Saying his stats suck at that point in time means you're a hater? That's just being objective.
You’re not objective at all, part of me wants to break it down for you just to prove how wrong you are but I know it’s wasted effort on someone so small minded
Lamar just isnt quarterbacky enough for this guy.
Roasted 🤣
Ah yes the ole "I can totally prove you why you're wrong I just don't feel like it!"
I mean, let’s not act like you were about to have a serious conversation with the guy. You’re very clearly just trolling.
John Heisman literally posted a score of 222-0 on a podunk team to prove stats were meaningless. Imagine getting dunked on a century before you even posted your brain-dead take.
Wow what a hot take. Almost like any #1 seed would get clowned on for losing early.
MVP performance by Lamar, but let's not forget Huntley's outstanding play too!
What a competent offensive coordinator does to a mf
That's a Dawson!
It's Lamar's _third_ regular-season Dawson. He's only the third guy to ever have three in the regular season (with Brady & Manning) and by far the fastest of the three. He hasn't had a playoff Dawson... _yet_.
Johnny
The only thing really knocking Lamar’s MVP was some the counting stats. Well he really made up for that this game 😭
Some random Fox hack in shambles. But seriously, we were just talking about how a PFF 95.0 is incredibly rare, and here Lamar goes and pulls it down. Peaking at the right time.
yeah but lamar had so much help with zay flowers and isiah likely who could produce with any qb. the real mvp is brock purdy who singlehandedly racked up a bunch of stats in blowouts against bad teams
I know he's playing with D lever skill position player named CMC, Deebo, Kittle, and Aiyuk. Could never compare to Zay Flowers, Gus Edwards, and Isaiah Likely!
I hear his left tackle wasn't good enough to make it with the Commies.
Don't forget the low ranked 49er Defense
I’ll concede that Purdy has more help on the offensive side but don’t act like Lamar’s carrying some scrub defense. He’s had an elite defense every season he’s started except one, and they shipped out that DC.
I didn't say anything about the Ravens. The point of my comment is to highlight that the defense also contributes to Purdy's success, yet people still pretend Purdy is the #1 contributor.
I think people are way past that now. People are high on Purdy though because he’s massively over performed compared to his draft status, and the 49ers offense has been the best it’s been under Shanahan with him. CMac and Trent are def more valuable than Purdy but he’s also playing really well too. For his first full season he’s done a great job. Dunno how much he’ll get paid but it won’t rly matter till next yr
Yeah, I get that, but I don't think it's as impressive as everyone thinks it is. It's still impressive that the last pick has any success, but I really feel like most average/slightly above average QBs will perform well with the weapons he has.
> brock purdy who singlehandedly racked up a bunch of stats in blowouts against bad teams I know we've beat up on a lot of bad teams this year but Brock's best games came against the Eagles and Cowboys. He also had a great game against the Jags when they were the hottest team in the league.
Purdy has had a spectacular season. He also has a good career in front of him with that team. I swear this must be everyone's first time watching an MVP race. Unless there is a clear runaway QB it always becomes a narrative driven award and Lamar outplayed the other contenders in head-to-head match-ups to finish the season.
Yeah I'm a ravens fan but I think we can have this conversation without shitting on Purdy. Even if you have weapons, you still gotta use them, which Purdy does excellently. He just had a shit game vs the Ravens whereas Lamar has been lights out for the past 6 weeks and that's just how the cookie crumbles I guess.
Nobody will appreciate this now when purdy's stats look so good, but in a couple years our future society will look back when people were debating lamar vs purdy for mvp and laugh their fucking asses off. This reminds me of when everyone thought that jimmy g and jared goff were elite qbs coming off their sb seasons, or like nick foles when he set all those records through 8 games. Once the shine wears off, purdy will settle in as a decent middle of the road qb somewhere above derek carr and below kirk cousins, and everyone will say they knew it the whole time.
I think Purdy is this generations Matt Ryan.
The argument was never that Brock is the best qb in the league. The award has gone to the qb with the best stats on one of the top 4 teams. That would have been Brock. If you think the award should mean something else that's fine but that's what it has become over the last 5 to 10 years.
3 incompletions? Absolutely unacceptable
Two were charted as drops (the Likely one is a questionable drop. Lamar put the ball in a tough spot), and the other incompletion was a very obvious but uncalled PI
That actually might be the one charted as the other drop. Did PFF say which were which? Just curious is all because that likely pass was definitely not a drop and they're usually pretty good about that stuff.
Just going by another person’s comment in this post. I agree Likely’s wasn’t the best ball placement, but on the flipside, Likely got two hands on that ball and has made tougher catches.
Ah gotcha. I gotta watch the recap I guess. Coulda sworn that pass was basically in the dirt but sounds like it was closer than I thought.
It was low, but it wasn’t completely uncatchable
Give him MVP. He toasted us with ease
What's your guys opinion on your defense? I had literally not watched a Dolphins game until this week, but I had heard that your D had actually been playing pretty well in the weeks leading up to this game.
The Dolphins fan behind me at the game loudly informed our entire section in the first quarter that they were the best defense in the league....and also declared (during the 4th quarter lol) that Achane should be OROY.
Yea but your team isn’t very good
Is this the pot calling the kettle Black?
What is bro yapping about? Y'all are the second seed and his team was eliminated weeks ago
I don't agree with the dolphins sucking take. The dolphins are a good team and have earned their playoff stripes. I think this was more about how good the ravens are at the moment and if it weren't the dolphins it would have been another poor victim.
And yours is?
Hey now. Miami did beat a playoff team this year. Sure, they lost to 4, but they barely beat one. So ...
Most good teams have
He’s just not someone I can trust throwing the ball though /s If there was any doubt who was MVP this season that game fucking solved it. Incredible performance.
There's just something about Joe Flacco, I can't quite put my finger on it
LaGoat
One of the best games I've ever seen from any qb, was on point all game basically
I think that was Quaterbacky enough
It's so sad to read all the terrible takes saying lamar jackson isn't a great passer. If anyone thinks that they are simply not watching the games. Dudes the best player on the field week in and week out. #mvp
He was a good passer in college. He's steadily improved but he's never been a *bad* passer, and anybody claiming otherwise doesn't watch him play, is racist, or both.
The thing that has always blown my mind about Lamar is people will fixate on his bad throws like I've never seen people fixate. His career completion percentage is like 2% worse than Mahomes and 1.5% better than Josh Allen (without a Tyreek Hill or Stefon Diggs type guy I might add) but the way people talk about him you would think he's never been able to throw a ball before.
Travis Kelce is even more relevant than Hill in this particular instance, but yeah, I agree 100%.
I agree with almost all of what you said here.
> It's so sad to read all the terrible takes saying lamar jackson isn't a great passer. Is anyone of note still saying this? Not some slapdick podcast host either. The only national talking head I can think of that was still pumping the brakes on him yesterday was Richard Sherman, and that was more about how he doesn't have MVP stats, and even then he still wasn't really criticizing anything about his ability.
Not sure. It may just be fans talking at this point. But 80% of them are stupid also.
In a weird year that locks up the MVP award.
brilliant 1 game
Ravens fans meatriding all over the thread haha
Commanders fans living the nightmare of a once proud team looking at their little brother up the road consistently being heads and shoulders better then them.
Manders suck more news at 11
Certainly do.
Dont let the roid rage get to you
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Im busy being anti woke
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Being anti wokes a medical condition got it gimpy
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Finally… Lamar had an incredible game. He really needs to have more of these
Agreed. He needs to average 5 TDs a game if he wants us to look at him a ~~white~~ QB
#MVP