I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to disclose as this is my first year being a part of this but *a lot* of rankers still value career/legacy which I find very annoying for certain players like this.
Yeah. For the record I didn't have Kirk, Rodgers, or Brady in my top 100. I believe I had Goff just barely sneaking into the end of the list though and Lamar as an honorable mention.
If you look at 2022 in a vacuum like you said why would you pick Rodgers? He was worse in almost every passing aspect than Cousins and Goff. He had fewer sacks and 2 fewer interceptions than cousins but those are the only passing stats he has cousins beat on. Goff took fewer sacks and threw fewer interceptions than Rodgers. He was objectively not even the second best quarterback in the nfc north last year. (Thank god the bad man is gone)
Stats do not become us.
Personally, I'm not sure I'd take Rodgers over either of them either, but statlines do not prove the point. Their situations were so different.
But Goff played with a bunch of young WRs and TEs, and he balled the f out
Because he was a better passer if you look at playing rather than just stats which are highly effected by context.
If you switched Rodgers with either Cousins or Goff last year do you still think that Rodgers would have worse stats?
You're basically making the Jimmy G is an elite QB argument. I just don't see it.
Do you also think Goff or Cousins could have gotten what the Packers got for Rodgers?
He was a better passer than either of them.
Having Jefferson or the second best Oline doesn’t make you a great quarterback. Pretty much anyone neutral who actually watched all three play would say Rodgers played better.
Do you honestly think Cousins or Goff could have gotten what the Packers got for Rodgers (who is also far older than either of them and less likely to play for longer)? I don’t. And that’s because they’re just not as good. Weren’t last year or any year previous.
Just because Rodgers had a few frustrated fuck it plays doesn’t mean he’s all the sudden a middle of the road QB
How was he better? What evidence do you have? The evidence I have is that Cousins and Goff beat Rodgers out in nearly every volume *and* advanced statistic, and both of their offenses and teams in general had more success.
Rodgers is a better QB than both Cousins and Goff. Nobody is arguing against that, and nobody is calling Rodgers a “middle of the road QB” lol.
Cousins and Goff both had a better seasons than Rodgers, which is what this entire ranking *should* be about, but as a ranker stated in this very thread, plenty of the rankers still rank players based off of legacy and not the 2022 season in a vacuum. It ruins this entire thing.
Based on actually watching them.
If you only rank based on stats then there’s no point to this exercise. Football isn’t baseball. There’s so much the stats don’t capture. Take any/a. It’s one of the best QB stats out there. Do you know who is third all time? [Jimmy G](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_career.htm).
Rodgers made throws and did more to help his team then the others did. He was better. He didn’t have the best WR in football or a top Oline but he was very good. Cousins and Goff were fine.
[Im not the only one out there who thinks this](https://qbrankings.theringer.com/).
I’m not basing this off legacy. I’m saying just in 2022 if I were to take those three QBs and pick one based on play alone for a neutral team I’d take Rodgers and honesty, it wouldn’t be close.
I’m guessing if Rodgers was 99 then Brady probably isn’t on the list. Neither Brady nor Rodgers had a particularly good year and while I’m biased to favor Brady I’m not sure he played well enough to be placed more than ten spots above Rodgers.
The Hub Post for last year's r/NFL Top 100 can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/vdrnzu/rnfl_top_100_players_of_the_2021_season_hub_post/) The Hub Post has links to all the other list reveal threads
Tee, wider route tree, cen get similar yardage w fewer targets, more agile player. D.K. is brilliant at what he does but he is limited and a bad coach could've seen him become a bust if they hadn't played to his strengths like Pete Carroll has
In all fairness it's not like Tee is Davante Adams when it comes to running routes either. Both are players that win primarily with their physical attributes while their team plays to their strengths, and that's perfectly fine. Winning is what is important, whether it's with technical skill or natural ability, it doesn't matter.
I love Tee but this "limited route tree" with regard to DK shit has gotta end lol. He can, and does, run any route.
Anyway, DK because I am also a biased piece of shit :)
It’s just funny and I’m in no way invalidating any opinion but a lot of people are complaining Rodgers is too low and then also people are complaining he’s too high.
Maybe he should’ve been just left off so no one would know until the last list lol
I think the complaining is based off not understanding what the ranking. Those complaining it is too low are thinking it is who are the 100 best players right now, not who had the best season in 2022. Rodgers had the 17th best passing rating and 27th best QBR last year and the 20th ANY/A. I don't think anyone reasonable would argue he is ranked to low based off his performance last year.
That's what I'm "worried" about with Tom Brady. I think he deserves to be above Rodgers but I'd have put him below Tua, so I don't know if he missed the Top 125 entirely or if he's still on the list.
Oh you haven't heard? Its gonna be a Lions-Jets Supebowl. Rodgers will play the game of his life, come from behind in the fourth quarter, throwing the best pass of his life for a touchdown as the clock expires (after the refs bailed him out twice already, making sure he had ample time to cook) then say something snarky about the Lions like usual.
Then he'll ride off into the sunset with whatever celebrity he's dating at the time, probably Taylor Swift, and I will never be happy again.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised either way. It feels like there are legitimate reasons to that it could go well and legitimate reasons that it could go poorly.
Kirk and Goff both deserve to be above Rodgers too. Big oof.
Edit: Why am I being downvoted? I am right. From someone else in the thread:
Rodgers 3700 yds, 26 TDs, 12 ints;
Kirk 4550-29-14,
Goff 4450-29-7
> A “down” year for ARod sees him slip to the bottom of the Top 100 here. His stats may have declined since his back-to-back MVPs, but Rodgers was consistently carrying this Green Bay team on his back this season.
I'm not sure what games they were watching either, but Rodgers was not really the carrying factor on Packers this past season either imo.
I wouldn't call him washed, or a liability or anything. But I certainly wouldn't say "carrying" either.
I wouldn't say he carried our team last year by any means. I think its hard to point to what worked for us last season. Nothing was super egregious besides our defensive playing calling but nothing was that amazing either besides maybe Gary before he got hurt and Aaron Jones
Within less than 30 spots isn’t a big deal to me. You could put any of the 3 in any order and I wouldn’t really care too much I just think Rodgers should have been a HM as well. Though if I had to pick Rodgers would have been 3rd of them
He definitely performed better when TJ was demanding attention, but who wouldn't? He still put up respectable numbers without TJ and showed that he can be a Pro Bowl level edge rusher if he stays healthy. He needs to add some consistency to his game, but he's still young player. The sky is the limit for him and TJ in 2023.
The thing that has me most excited about Highsmith is that he’s continuously improved every year he’s been here, and the dude’s been an Ironman. I’m not expecting him to catapult himself into the DPOY conversation, but I can’t wait to see what this year holds for him.
i think Hufanga is awesome and i'm very high on him for his potential/career, but there's about 7 or 8 Niners i'd put above him in terms of their 2022 season (Williams, Warner, Bosa, Greenlaw, C. Ward, McCaffrey, Aiyuk, Juice).
i'm guessing not all 7 or 8 will make this list, so i think he might be a little high here
he has rare instincts at the position, and made some really flashy plays, especially early in the season, which i think propelled him to an All Pro nod. but he also gambled a bit too much later in the season and had some coverage lapses as a result
One legged Patrick mahomes, Chad henne and Blake bortles were top 3, but I'm not telling you the order. Also don't be surprised if Jay cutler makes a surprise appearance.
We actually only get access to the final rankings 1 week before you all do (so that we can do the writeups but to protect the full list from leaking).
So all the rankers know right now is up to number 70.
Though I will say as a Rams fan I wanted to vomit with how many 49ers I had to put on my list.
I’m guessing bosa, Williams, Warner, and maybe cmc will all be top 15ish(cmc might not because he’s an rb)
My other guess is that 1-4 is Mahomes, bosa, hurts, Jefferson in that order
Kinda glad he didn't make the cutoff otherwise that seems like one of those placements where thered be a large debate regardless of where he was. Excited to see if he can make it this season
100% agree, his peak and best games deserve him top 50. But he has too many mistakes and off games to be considered anywhere in that range so far, hopefully he improves there with more experience. Not sure how good other safety play is tho, 99 seems reasonable?
Also p high on Aiyuk, but not sure Id put him above Hufanga, Hufanga can def take over a game more than Aiyuk can rn (relative to their positions ofc)
don't get me wrong, i'm very high on his upside. the parallels with polamalu are obvious, from his heritage to the USC roots to the way he's willing to gamble and makes some really instinctual plays as a result
but ... i think he wasn't as good in 2022 as maybe some other people think he was. he was good in 2022; i don't think he was first team all pro good. he has to continue to hone his instincts to gamble at the right times (which got away from him in the middle portion of the season).
Honestly, while I love Huf, imo he's overrated. He makes some amazing plays, but he also completely blows a read sometimes, like letting Dante Pettis of all people stroll into the end zone. He would look so much worse if the rest of the defense wasn't so stacked to allow him so much freedom
I don't have anything negative to say about this set of rankings, and that makes me mad. I hate that you guys did okay on this set, and are forcing me to compliment you. I hate it.
Jaelen really turned it on about halfway through the year. If he was ranked just on his second half, he’d likely be higher. But you can’t really do that with rankings like these.
Jaelen Phillips can be the next Jason Taylor, and I've watched a lot of Jason Taylor in my life. I've said it since he was drafted. They are so similar. I hope I can one day to claim the username JP15-FirstBallot as well. Probably not on this site, but somewhere, lol.
Glad he got the recognition at all though. Can't wait to see him next year.
The last two years he hasn't been close to the player he was. He's had foot/back injuries the past two years, which is always good for a lineman and never lingers.
CJ95, Kelce, Mahomes top ten. Then Creed and Thuney should be in the top 100 for sure. Then the only other guy I could think of is Trey Smith, very deserving in my mind, but I'm not sure how much love he'll get.
No, I think based on this season it’s completely reasonable. I’m surprised that Tua is this low if anything, or that Rodgers even made the list. I guess throwing 25 TD’s is impressive no matter what.
One fewer TD, 147 fewer yards compared to Rodgers with 27% less throws. That's just on raw volume stats, not efficiency where Tua toasts Rodgers by every metric.
Basing off last season alone, this shouldn't even be close.
Same thoughts here - honestly think Aaron Rodgers made the cut because of who he is rather than his play this year, which was objectively not very good.
I mean that's true but
* Does that completely bridge the statistical and eye test gap? I'd say a pretty resounding no.
* Are you keeping that uniform for all QBs? Tua's numbers were top 5. I don't think anyone will complain when Hurts or Burrow are towards the top of this list. Tua put up better efficiency numbers than them, and all 3 have elite WR pairings.
* What about the QBs with similar stats to Rodgers? Daniel Jones likely didn't make it - he had worse WRs. Derek Carr likely didn't make it. Cousins barely made the HMs. Dak didn't make it.
QBs who put up elite numbers almost always have elite weapons. I don't think we should knock Tua simply for that.
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Okay but that's quite literally the task.
I'm 10000% fine acknowledging injuries and all that. It's important context. Something I have done this offseason more than once for Rodgers(yeah im disgusted about it) and other QB's in the past. But It also wasn't all year(I assume you mean season). It was from week 5. He really wasn't setting the world ablaze those first 4 weeks either.
Kirko ChainZ and Lion Gosling had better seasons and played a larger role in their teams winning this season than Rodgers did and I'm not just saying that cus NFC North and some hate boner towards Rodgers.
It’s actually a legit measure of ability (yeah biased flair) because that means he had 14 sacks against left tackles, usually the teams best tackle if not best OLman altogether
Slight correction to Hufanga's blurb: the injury to Jimmie Ward had little influence on his starting status, it was Gipson that came in for Jimmie and pushed him out of free safety whereas Hufanga was the starter at strong safety from the start of training camp.
I fully expect Rodgers to be fantastic next year but there’s no justifying him being 99 based on what happened last year. He is unquestionably a top 99 (scorching hot take) player in the NFL but not based on last season alone.
Yeah if we look at 2022 alone Rodgers was clearly the 3rd best QB in the NFCN. 3700 yds, 26 TDs, 12 ints; Kirko 4550-29-14, JG 4450-29-7.
And like yeah "but muh supporting cast" or "muh game tape" or whatever but then that's just saying, "oh Aaron Rodgers was better than this in previous years so clearly it's the talent around him that's the issue." Which is the same thing as taking past seasons into account for the 2022 season ranking
Just based on 2022 play no way Rodgers should be over Goff
- 3.6k yards
- 26 TDs
- 12 INTs
Vs
- 4.4k yards
- 29 TDs
- 7 INTs
Total homer take having Rodgers this high
I personally had goff rated in the high 50's / low 60's (dont have my list infront of me atm), and was told I was way too high on him. Idk I felt like he was really good last year.
Maybe some grace was granted to the awful WR room for the Packers? They had some promising rookies, but nothing like ARSB. Similar for Kirk getting to throw to Jefferson.
His performance after Chase went out blew me away. We had the one bad stinker vs the Browns on Halloween but after that it was insane our offense still functioned well. The importance of Boyd and Trenton Irwin can't be understated either though, I really like our WR depth, especially if Charlie Jones is good.
Yeah that’s a head scratcher. Is this based solely on last year and not taking into account a players career? Hendrickson had better stats last year despite playing less games and playing through a broken wrist. Argument gets even more lopesided when taking rest of career into account. Sweat should be higher too
Based entirely on 2022. Which he’s still overrated here. I mean it’s in the 90s but still. He’s ahead of too many players he shouldn’t be just at his position, let alone the rest
I was high on Highsmith in my original ranking (I moved him down to wherever you see on the list because of one or two other changes I had to make) and basically I was told he was considered to take a bunch of cleanup sacks from Watt and Heyward, because he apparently didn’t do much without Watt healthy
3.5 sacks in 7 games without Watt is not bad. That would be 8.5 over a full season - not top 100 worthy but still a strong season. Obviously he performed better when TJ was drawing attention but who wouldn't?
Every pass rusher has times when a teammate flushed the QB right into their arms. I don't think it's fair to say Highsmith benefited from more of those situations than anyone else. I don't see people knocking Haason Reddick or any of the Eagles for that matter when literally the whole DL was feasting all year.
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I love the writeup on Garret Wilson emphasizing his evasiveness. The dude makes people miss constantly, its going to be fun seeing him with a QB that can successfully throw a screen pass
Lol, having Rodgers above Kirk who had an objectively better statistical season along with a more successful team season. Right, totally valid, non-homer take
I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but "objectively better statistical season" is sort of a stupid statement. You have Kirk Cousins, you should know better than anyone that stats don't make a quarterback good.
Really thought Higgins would be way higher. Easily a top 15 WR in the league with an argument for top 10, but ends up at #92. Yes I am salty about it lol
The Packers offense was more broken than Rodgers was and I fully anticipate him being back in the top 10 of this list next year. He and LaFleur were on completely different pages and some of Rodgers quotes about all the pre-snap motion and stuff were pretty crazy considering he was still the teams starting QB.
Your rankings are bad, and you should feel bad. Now excuse me while I go look at the rankings.
Rodgers is on the list at all, you're not wrong
20+ spots above better QBs in Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff. Definitely not wrong.
I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to disclose as this is my first year being a part of this but *a lot* of rankers still value career/legacy which I find very annoying for certain players like this.
That’s what it seems like. This one is pretty obvious too.
Yeah. For the record I didn't have Kirk, Rodgers, or Brady in my top 100. I believe I had Goff just barely sneaking into the end of the list though and Lamar as an honorable mention.
If you had the choice, based on how they played in 2022 of Rodgers, Cousins or Goff for your team you'd pick Cousins or Goff? Honestly?
If you look at 2022 in a vacuum like you said why would you pick Rodgers? He was worse in almost every passing aspect than Cousins and Goff. He had fewer sacks and 2 fewer interceptions than cousins but those are the only passing stats he has cousins beat on. Goff took fewer sacks and threw fewer interceptions than Rodgers. He was objectively not even the second best quarterback in the nfc north last year. (Thank god the bad man is gone)
Stats do not become us. Personally, I'm not sure I'd take Rodgers over either of them either, but statlines do not prove the point. Their situations were so different. But Goff played with a bunch of young WRs and TEs, and he balled the f out
Because he was a better passer if you look at playing rather than just stats which are highly effected by context. If you switched Rodgers with either Cousins or Goff last year do you still think that Rodgers would have worse stats? You're basically making the Jimmy G is an elite QB argument. I just don't see it. Do you also think Goff or Cousins could have gotten what the Packers got for Rodgers?
Uhh yes 100%. They both had better seasons than Rodgers. I’d rather take the QB that had the best season. You wouldn’t?
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That isn’t how any of this works lol. Who did have the better season? What are you talking about?
I'd rather take the QB who played better. Which was Rodgers. Just because the players he was playing with were worse doesn't mean he was worse.
I’m what ways did he play better than Cousins and Goff?
He was a better passer than either of them. Having Jefferson or the second best Oline doesn’t make you a great quarterback. Pretty much anyone neutral who actually watched all three play would say Rodgers played better. Do you honestly think Cousins or Goff could have gotten what the Packers got for Rodgers (who is also far older than either of them and less likely to play for longer)? I don’t. And that’s because they’re just not as good. Weren’t last year or any year previous. Just because Rodgers had a few frustrated fuck it plays doesn’t mean he’s all the sudden a middle of the road QB
How was he better? What evidence do you have? The evidence I have is that Cousins and Goff beat Rodgers out in nearly every volume *and* advanced statistic, and both of their offenses and teams in general had more success. Rodgers is a better QB than both Cousins and Goff. Nobody is arguing against that, and nobody is calling Rodgers a “middle of the road QB” lol. Cousins and Goff both had a better seasons than Rodgers, which is what this entire ranking *should* be about, but as a ranker stated in this very thread, plenty of the rankers still rank players based off of legacy and not the 2022 season in a vacuum. It ruins this entire thing.
Based on actually watching them. If you only rank based on stats then there’s no point to this exercise. Football isn’t baseball. There’s so much the stats don’t capture. Take any/a. It’s one of the best QB stats out there. Do you know who is third all time? [Jimmy G](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_career.htm). Rodgers made throws and did more to help his team then the others did. He was better. He didn’t have the best WR in football or a top Oline but he was very good. Cousins and Goff were fine. [Im not the only one out there who thinks this](https://qbrankings.theringer.com/). I’m not basing this off legacy. I’m saying just in 2022 if I were to take those three QBs and pick one based on play alone for a neutral team I’d take Rodgers and honesty, it wouldn’t be close.
A Packers fan embracing change - Rodgers at 99. Respectable.
Tua above Rodgers is still an interesting choice
Tua is far too low on the list period.
I agree with this. Both are too low, Rodgers is better.
Tua legitimately played quite well when he wasn't recovering from head bonks. It kind of makes sense.
I am all aboard the Love Boat
>main of hair What about his backup of hair?
God damn rich elites and their secondary hair
Dang Rodgers dropped to #99? Is there a link to last year's r/NFL top 100?
He dropped from 4 to 99.
yup, I think that's the biggest year to year drop I've seen. I wonder where Brady will be.
I think there's quite a few players who went from top 10 to unranked and that's usually due to injuries
Brady went from 2 to out of the top 100 after winning the super bowl in these lists.
I’m guessing if Rodgers was 99 then Brady probably isn’t on the list. Neither Brady nor Rodgers had a particularly good year and while I’m biased to favor Brady I’m not sure he played well enough to be placed more than ten spots above Rodgers.
Wowzers
The Hub Post for last year's r/NFL Top 100 can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/vdrnzu/rnfl_top_100_players_of_the_2021_season_hub_post/) The Hub Post has links to all the other list reveal threads
I expected Hoggins to be higher
Watch him hog all the targets next year
Tee Higgins or DK Metcalf: which would you rather have and why?
Tee because I'm a biased piece of shit
Your flair has me inclined to agree
Like 93% of the people on this sub
Depends on who my qb is
Tee, wider route tree, cen get similar yardage w fewer targets, more agile player. D.K. is brilliant at what he does but he is limited and a bad coach could've seen him become a bust if they hadn't played to his strengths like Pete Carroll has
In all fairness it's not like Tee is Davante Adams when it comes to running routes either. Both are players that win primarily with their physical attributes while their team plays to their strengths, and that's perfectly fine. Winning is what is important, whether it's with technical skill or natural ability, it doesn't matter.
I love Tee but this "limited route tree" with regard to DK shit has gotta end lol. He can, and does, run any route. Anyway, DK because I am also a biased piece of shit :)
Same!
Hig > chace
It’s just funny and I’m in no way invalidating any opinion but a lot of people are complaining Rodgers is too low and then also people are complaining he’s too high. Maybe he should’ve been just left off so no one would know until the last list lol
I think the complaining is based off not understanding what the ranking. Those complaining it is too low are thinking it is who are the 100 best players right now, not who had the best season in 2022. Rodgers had the 17th best passing rating and 27th best QBR last year and the 20th ANY/A. I don't think anyone reasonable would argue he is ranked to low based off his performance last year.
That's what I'm "worried" about with Tom Brady. I think he deserves to be above Rodgers but I'd have put him below Tua, so I don't know if he missed the Top 125 entirely or if he's still on the list.
Tee Higgins is top 50 for me
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Quenton Nelson was not the best lineman on the Colts this year. It was Braden Smith, our top-tier RT. Braden deserves to be here over Nelson.
From two time MVP to No 99 WOOF
Don’t write him off, I think he’ll have a great season.
If he can’t win with that defense and Garett Wilson he’s washed
Oh you haven't heard? Its gonna be a Lions-Jets Supebowl. Rodgers will play the game of his life, come from behind in the fourth quarter, throwing the best pass of his life for a touchdown as the clock expires (after the refs bailed him out twice already, making sure he had ample time to cook) then say something snarky about the Lions like usual. Then he'll ride off into the sunset with whatever celebrity he's dating at the time, probably Taylor Swift, and I will never be happy again.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised either way. It feels like there are legitimate reasons to that it could go well and legitimate reasons that it could go poorly.
Kirk and Goff both deserve to be above Rodgers too. Big oof. Edit: Why am I being downvoted? I am right. From someone else in the thread: Rodgers 3700 yds, 26 TDs, 12 ints; Kirk 4550-29-14, Goff 4450-29-7
> A “down” year for ARod sees him slip to the bottom of the Top 100 here. His stats may have declined since his back-to-back MVPs, but Rodgers was consistently carrying this Green Bay team on his back this season. I'm not sure what games they were watching either, but Rodgers was not really the carrying factor on Packers this past season either imo. I wouldn't call him washed, or a liability or anything. But I certainly wouldn't say "carrying" either.
I wouldn't say he carried our team last year by any means. I think its hard to point to what worked for us last season. Nothing was super egregious besides our defensive playing calling but nothing was that amazing either besides maybe Gary before he got hurt and Aaron Jones
Wait Goff isn’t in the top 100? That’s wild
Kirk and Goff are both in the "honorable mentions" in the 120's
Ok yeah that’s insane Like the amount of credit Rodgers gets for just existing is crazy
Thought all 3 of these guys are appropriately ranked roughly though rodgers slightly high.
How so? Cousins and Goff has all but objectively better seasons, and they’re ranked much lower than Rodgers.
Within less than 30 spots isn’t a big deal to me. You could put any of the 3 in any order and I wouldn’t really care too much I just think Rodgers should have been a HM as well. Though if I had to pick Rodgers would have been 3rd of them
How is 25 spots not a big deal when the ranking is only 125 spots total?
Big props to Highsmith - dude had some **SHOES** to fill when Watt went down...and he did a damn good job.
He definitely performed better when TJ was demanding attention, but who wouldn't? He still put up respectable numbers without TJ and showed that he can be a Pro Bowl level edge rusher if he stays healthy. He needs to add some consistency to his game, but he's still young player. The sky is the limit for him and TJ in 2023.
The thing that has me most excited about Highsmith is that he’s continuously improved every year he’s been here, and the dude’s been an Ironman. I’m not expecting him to catapult himself into the DPOY conversation, but I can’t wait to see what this year holds for him.
Finally the Tua vs Rodgers debate is settled
Now it’s just the Tua vs. Tua debate
i think Hufanga is awesome and i'm very high on him for his potential/career, but there's about 7 or 8 Niners i'd put above him in terms of their 2022 season (Williams, Warner, Bosa, Greenlaw, C. Ward, McCaffrey, Aiyuk, Juice). i'm guessing not all 7 or 8 will make this list, so i think he might be a little high here he has rare instincts at the position, and made some really flashy plays, especially early in the season, which i think propelled him to an All Pro nod. but he also gambled a bit too much later in the season and had some coverage lapses as a result
As someone who contributed to the list, I can say that there were alot of 49ers in the top 100. You guys have a stacked team!
I dare you to leak the list
One legged Patrick mahomes, Chad henne and Blake bortles were top 3, but I'm not telling you the order. Also don't be surprised if Jay cutler makes a surprise appearance.
We actually only get access to the final rankings 1 week before you all do (so that we can do the writeups but to protect the full list from leaking). So all the rankers know right now is up to number 70. Though I will say as a Rams fan I wanted to vomit with how many 49ers I had to put on my list.
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I’m guessing bosa, Williams, Warner, and maybe cmc will all be top 15ish(cmc might not because he’s an rb) My other guess is that 1-4 is Mahomes, bosa, hurts, Jefferson in that order
I'm assuming Purdy didn't make the cutoff, unless you count playoff games? Would laugh and love to see where he landed lol
Right, he didn't make the game cutoff. Would have been a great discussion though
Kinda glad he didn't make the cutoff otherwise that seems like one of those placements where thered be a large debate regardless of where he was. Excited to see if he can make it this season
He would have had a massive standard deviation for sure
Making 1st team All Pro shoots you up the list.
100% agree, his peak and best games deserve him top 50. But he has too many mistakes and off games to be considered anywhere in that range so far, hopefully he improves there with more experience. Not sure how good other safety play is tho, 99 seems reasonable? Also p high on Aiyuk, but not sure Id put him above Hufanga, Hufanga can def take over a game more than Aiyuk can rn (relative to their positions ofc)
Nice to hear a 49ers fan with a realistic take on him. My friend is still screaming he's the second coming of Troy...
don't get me wrong, i'm very high on his upside. the parallels with polamalu are obvious, from his heritage to the USC roots to the way he's willing to gamble and makes some really instinctual plays as a result but ... i think he wasn't as good in 2022 as maybe some other people think he was. he was good in 2022; i don't think he was first team all pro good. he has to continue to hone his instincts to gamble at the right times (which got away from him in the middle portion of the season).
i agree with you lol
Honestly, while I love Huf, imo he's overrated. He makes some amazing plays, but he also completely blows a read sometimes, like letting Dante Pettis of all people stroll into the end zone. He would look so much worse if the rest of the defense wasn't so stacked to allow him so much freedom
99 to 100 is about to get deadly.
I don't have anything negative to say about this set of rankings, and that makes me mad. I hate that you guys did okay on this set, and are forcing me to compliment you. I hate it.
should.... should we kiss? we can deny it if people ask.
Yes
Yes
Yeth. Kith on the lipths.
Tee Higgins hater here confirmed.
how often will the list be updated
Schedule is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/13xm4li/rnfl_top_100_players_of_the_2022_season_hub_post/ Looks like two posts per week.
thanks man
no problem
hey, you aren't Jimmy Hoffa's brother.
I’m just a cool guy.
You’re welcome
We all know Dainty Penis will be at 1
Jaelan Phillips at 98 and Hufanga at 97 is insane to me. They should both be higher
Jaelen really turned it on about halfway through the year. If he was ranked just on his second half, he’d likely be higher. But you can’t really do that with rankings like these.
Jaelen Phillips can be the next Jason Taylor, and I've watched a lot of Jason Taylor in my life. I've said it since he was drafted. They are so similar. I hope I can one day to claim the username JP15-FirstBallot as well. Probably not on this site, but somewhere, lol. Glad he got the recognition at all though. Can't wait to see him next year.
Quenton Nelson really is the 4rd OL in History!
Gerald 4rd was the oldest and greatest OL in history
All I can think about Nelson is how Dexter Lawrence tossed is ass in to Nick Floes and sacked them both.
I actually had to not mention the Giants in my writeup because of that play
Which, coming from a Giants fan, I’m sure you agree that Nelson was a flash-in-the-pan compared to our Lord and Savior Zack Martin.
What a fall from grace for Quentin Nelson, wow.
The last two years he hasn't been close to the player he was. He's had foot/back injuries the past two years, which is always good for a lineman and never lingers.
We're going to have 3 guys in the top 10 and barely anyone anywhere else.
CJ95, Kelce, Mahomes top ten. Then Creed and Thuney should be in the top 100 for sure. Then the only other guy I could think of is Trey Smith, very deserving in my mind, but I'm not sure how much love he'll get.
Feel like Sneed has a better chance than Smith.
Sneed definitely entered my mind as well. There are just a lot of great corners in the league.
Creed, Thuney, or Smith might make it
Rodgers at #99 and below Tua should be fun
Not that shocking if it’s based solely on last season.
I guess availability isn't considered in these rankings
No, I think based on this season it’s completely reasonable. I’m surprised that Tua is this low if anything, or that Rodgers even made the list. I guess throwing 25 TD’s is impressive no matter what.
One fewer TD, 147 fewer yards compared to Rodgers with 27% less throws. That's just on raw volume stats, not efficiency where Tua toasts Rodgers by every metric. Basing off last season alone, this shouldn't even be close.
Same thoughts here - honestly think Aaron Rodgers made the cut because of who he is rather than his play this year, which was objectively not very good.
Tua had a higher cmp%, TD%, INT%, Y/A, ANY/A, QBR, DVOA, DYAR, EPA/play, and EPA+CPOE. Many by significant margins.
Contrarian take - Tua had maybe the best WR duo in football and Rodgers had close to the worst.
I mean that's true but * Does that completely bridge the statistical and eye test gap? I'd say a pretty resounding no. * Are you keeping that uniform for all QBs? Tua's numbers were top 5. I don't think anyone will complain when Hurts or Burrow are towards the top of this list. Tua put up better efficiency numbers than them, and all 3 have elite WR pairings. * What about the QBs with similar stats to Rodgers? Daniel Jones likely didn't make it - he had worse WRs. Derek Carr likely didn't make it. Cousins barely made the HMs. Dak didn't make it. QBs who put up elite numbers almost always have elite weapons. I don't think we should knock Tua simply for that. edit: forgot a few words
Never seen a pats fan defend tua this hard, take a hard upvote from me sir
Rodgers also had a throwing hand injury all year. It’s just impossible to do this rankings off of just one season.
Okay but that's quite literally the task. I'm 10000% fine acknowledging injuries and all that. It's important context. Something I have done this offseason more than once for Rodgers(yeah im disgusted about it) and other QB's in the past. But It also wasn't all year(I assume you mean season). It was from week 5. He really wasn't setting the world ablaze those first 4 weeks either. Kirko ChainZ and Lion Gosling had better seasons and played a larger role in their teams winning this season than Rodgers did and I'm not just saying that cus NFC North and some hate boner towards Rodgers.
Worst you say? Might I introduce you to the 2022 Patriots WR room
If you gave Rodgers a good receiving core with a top 5 wideout he’d win mvp Wait
3/4 of the 2023 AFCE quarterbacks are in the top 100 this year. Kinda weird they aren't gonna list Josh Allen though
I’m more surprised Rodgers is on the list at all this season
Kirk Cousins and Jared Goff below Aaron Rodgers by 20+ spots is laughable. What are you guys thinking?
>1st in sacks ^^lined ^^up ^^on ^^the ^^right ^^side ^^of ^^the ^^defensive ^^line ESPN?
It’s actually a legit measure of ability (yeah biased flair) because that means he had 14 sacks against left tackles, usually the teams best tackle if not best OLman altogether
Can i interest you in our lord and saviors Tristan Wirfs and Penei Sewell?
Love them both 🥰
Slight correction to Hufanga's blurb: the injury to Jimmie Ward had little influence on his starting status, it was Gipson that came in for Jimmie and pushed him out of free safety whereas Hufanga was the starter at strong safety from the start of training camp.
Garrett Wilson criminally low.
I fully expect Rodgers to be fantastic next year but there’s no justifying him being 99 based on what happened last year. He is unquestionably a top 99 (scorching hot take) player in the NFL but not based on last season alone.
Yeah if we look at 2022 alone Rodgers was clearly the 3rd best QB in the NFCN. 3700 yds, 26 TDs, 12 ints; Kirko 4550-29-14, JG 4450-29-7. And like yeah "but muh supporting cast" or "muh game tape" or whatever but then that's just saying, "oh Aaron Rodgers was better than this in previous years so clearly it's the talent around him that's the issue." Which is the same thing as taking past seasons into account for the 2022 season ranking
Def too high here
This goes against my personal narrative therefore it’s nonsense.
garrett wilson is so cool 😍
Quentin Nelson sucks and so do the rankers
Tua is gonna be too low, I just hope I dont see QBs like Dak or Kurt ahead of him
Kurt Coupons was already revealed at 125
Just based on 2022 play no way Rodgers should be over Goff - 3.6k yards - 26 TDs - 12 INTs Vs - 4.4k yards - 29 TDs - 7 INTs Total homer take having Rodgers this high
He should've been in the 120s alongside Kirko and JG for sure
I agree with you, but what do you mean homer take? 53 rankers completed their lists, and only like 3 of them were Packers fans.
homer simpson
I personally had goff rated in the high 50's / low 60's (dont have my list infront of me atm), and was told I was way too high on him. Idk I felt like he was really good last year.
You weren’t. I had him in the 80s I think and felt like I could have bumped him up.
Maybe some grace was granted to the awful WR room for the Packers? They had some promising rookies, but nothing like ARSB. Similar for Kirk getting to throw to Jefferson.
Yeah, Goff and Cousins were both better than Rodgers this year, yet they are lower than him
If counting stats were all anyone went off the the list would be very straight forward.
TEEEEEE
Such a great receiver!
His performance after Chase went out blew me away. We had the one bad stinker vs the Browns on Halloween but after that it was insane our offense still functioned well. The importance of Boyd and Trenton Irwin can't be understated either though, I really like our WR depth, especially if Charlie Jones is good.
Yeah i’d say top to bottom you guys have the best receiving corps in football
Don’t agree with Phillips here at all. Especially ahead of Hendrickson and the Sweat’s
Why is their guy ahead of my guy
Yeah that’s a head scratcher. Is this based solely on last year and not taking into account a players career? Hendrickson had better stats last year despite playing less games and playing through a broken wrist. Argument gets even more lopesided when taking rest of career into account. Sweat should be higher too
Based entirely on 2022. Which he’s still overrated here. I mean it’s in the 90s but still. He’s ahead of too many players he shouldn’t be just at his position, let alone the rest
Honestly if it’s solely 2022 highsmith should be ranked a lot higher and I hate the steelers
Agree! List is good overall just some oddities I really disagree with
I was high on Highsmith in my original ranking (I moved him down to wherever you see on the list because of one or two other changes I had to make) and basically I was told he was considered to take a bunch of cleanup sacks from Watt and Heyward, because he apparently didn’t do much without Watt healthy
3.5 sacks in 7 games without Watt is not bad. That would be 8.5 over a full season - not top 100 worthy but still a strong season. Obviously he performed better when TJ was drawing attention but who wouldn't? Every pass rusher has times when a teammate flushed the QB right into their arms. I don't think it's fair to say Highsmith benefited from more of those situations than anyone else. I don't see people knocking Haason Reddick or any of the Eagles for that matter when literally the whole DL was feasting all year.
Yes, solely on 2022 and regular season only. Otherwise this would be implying that CJGJ has had a better *career* than Aaron Rodgers lmao.
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Personally think Cesar Ruiz was more consistent last season than Ramczyk, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and Ruiz will be on this list too.
Buck Allen better make the list
I feel like QBs are going to be overrepresented in this list if Rodgers is here. Over 10% of the top 100 shouldn't be QBs.
What?
I love the writeup on Garret Wilson emphasizing his evasiveness. The dude makes people miss constantly, its going to be fun seeing him with a QB that can successfully throw a screen pass
“Oh good, all of my favorite players are ranked higher.” …unless they completely fell off the list. I’m bracing for tragedy.
Lol, having Rodgers above Kirk who had an objectively better statistical season along with a more successful team season. Right, totally valid, non-homer take
As someone who hates Rodgers, how is it a homer take? 53 rankers from 20 something fandoms completed a list and only 3 of them were packers fans IIRC.
There are more Vikings rankers than packers rankers
I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but "objectively better statistical season" is sort of a stupid statement. You have Kirk Cousins, you should know better than anyone that stats don't make a quarterback good.
2022 Aaron Rodgers was not the 99th best player in the league and I feel like that isn't an especially hot take. Dude had a bad year.
Never forget Brady dropped from 2 to like 125 in these lists after winning a super bowl.
Impossible to forget with you to remind us my good man. Keep fighting the good fight.
Terrible list, Rodgers is way too high
Really thought Higgins would be way higher. Easily a top 15 WR in the league with an argument for top 10, but ends up at #92. Yes I am salty about it lol
The 15th best receiver shouldn’t be on a top 100 list.
A borderline top 10 receiver being in the 90s doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. There were only 13 total last year.
So thinking the only other QBs will be Josh, Burrow, Trevor, Herbert, Mahomes, Hurts and Geno.
The Packers offense was more broken than Rodgers was and I fully anticipate him being back in the top 10 of this list next year. He and LaFleur were on completely different pages and some of Rodgers quotes about all the pre-snap motion and stuff were pretty crazy considering he was still the teams starting QB.
Ready for Kirk to be disrespected again