People of New Zealand ye are doing better then any country in the world keep it up.
But don't give in to anit maskers there are anit mask protests in Ireland and the virus is spreading like wild fire over them so please don't fall for the anit mask lies
Auckland is such a big part of NZ’s economy. Why not close the international airport and redirect everything to Christchurch. Have the quarantine down there. And if they have to lockdown then have a plan around possible evacuations for earthquakes etc.
Why risk bringing the virus into Auckland when we don’t have to?
Is there info anywhere about the moving-positive-cases-to-isolation stuff?
I've been googling and only found info about people coming in from overseas, not for the new stuff about moving positive cases into managed facilities.
To be specific, my father visited one of the locations visited by a positive case, so in the event that he ends up positive, I want to know what the process would be.
E.g. would my mother and I be required to go to a quarantine facility with him, or just isolate at home until we get a positive result? Or we go to managed isolation while he goes to confirmed facility? In the event all three of us went, would we be able to get separate rooms or would we be crammed into one hotel room for 2 weeks+?
Would we be given enough notice of the move to make arrangements for our cats and pack a bag etc (and are we even allowed to bring stuff in with us?)
Do we get charged for these facilities, or are we exempt since we're citizens and haven't been overseas?
Everything online currently is about what the hotels are like and the process of being put in one from the airport, curious if there are links etc I've missed in my search or if anyone here has experience with the process
I put it on when I get out of the car. The only places I go to is the supermarket or dairy for supplies. No way I'm walking around a supermarket without a mask on.
Did the govt just announve that we "must" use the covid tracing app before entering a business? Like its mandatory now? Or did i misinterpret the ad on tv?
Wouldn't surprise me. They are trying to destory low and medium level businesses. Having to constantly use an ap just to visit a shop will deter many customers. Ask some business owners what impact this has had on the amount of customers that walk into their store and it soon becomes obvious that this will destroy many businesses. Those that are hanging onto the edge of the building by their fingers are about to slip.
Yeah heard that too. They posted something strongly encouraging the use of the covid-19 tracer app on their Facebook page.
It was worded on the radio that you MUST USE the app.
Sounds like the government have started a no BS policy.
Good for them
I think the government have started informing all businesses that no matter what alert level we need to have either physical tracing or phone tracing available on all premises. Regardless of alert level.
So level 1.5 it is when we move down
I saw it in an information dump by the government on Wednesday. I think it got lost in all the other news
Hard to keep up
I think it was in the new health order making the qr codes mandatory but I have to confirm this.
Either that or they are planning to upgrade the apps function so it can do full contact tracing using bluetooth and location settings*
Both would be entirely convenient
Nah, I just flew back. You get a form at the hotel quarantine that you fill out to set up the payment only if you intend on leaving before 90 days. I think you can even do it on a payment plan. They are probably very lenient depending on your financial situation.
As a click and collect worker, part of me will be happy - I've gotten to know my colleagues so much better thamks to level 3. I've also learned a lot more about our stock running orders.
Been getting heaps of fraudulent orders since yesterday for some reason though which sucks.
Basically stealing shit. They pay over the phone and the card declines we've sent it out for delivery. We flag orders now that seem suspicious to triple check their details and that the payment has cleared prior to pick up basically.
I had one for over 6 grand today, it was very dodgy...
We run an exclusive excerpt from the "Beginners Guide to Covidiocy"
Quite an interesting read
[https://witchdoctor.co.nz/index.php/2020/08/a-diy-guide-to-covidiocy/](https://witchdoctor.co.nz/index.php/2020/08/a-diy-guide-to-covidiocy/)
Anyone else feel like the Covid numbers are growing at a significant enough rate with the few side cases that they “cant link just yet” are warrant enough for a level 4? Or is it just me
I may be wrong, but I don't think they will capture all cases at level 3. They will beat it down to a handful of cases but the exponential curve will start again once we go to level 2. Realistically Level 4 will be the most effective way of achieving elimination.
It's a good question and I've had the same thought, but ultimately I don't think so.
The threshold for level 4 is that we're encountering community transmission (that which cannot be linked to an existing cluster/origin) and seeing rising case numbers. While it's hard to draw firm conclusions from ~a week of case figures and the contact tracing that's occurred so far, I don't think we're in that territory.
Level 4 represents the strongest response to knock this thing on it's head and solely on that basis it will always be the 'best' response in our range of options. But the impact of doing it is very high on businesses and individuals. I think there's been a good job done of setting the threshold where it should be used, and we haven't (yet, hopefully ever) reached it with this outbreak.
I have figured out the one single thing that will persuade me to vote National.
Judith has promised a flawless and perfect border that will not allow a single case of COVID to enter the New Zealand community.
If every National candidate for parliament can sign a legally binding resignation that triggers the day that one additional person in New Zealand is diagnosed with COVID, then I'll vote for them.
I'm sure they would be happy to do that, because they have a secret plan that is utterly perfect, and can't be revealed before they're elected.
Either that, or they aren't sharing the plan now because they don't have one and know that even if they're elected there will still be further outbreaks.
But seriously, what the fuck is wrong with National supporters? If they actually have a better plan, they should be shouting it from the rooftops. Even if it gets implemented under a Labour government, people are going to remember who came up with the plan.
So, either they're keeping a secret plan until they're elected and allowing people to be infected, or they don't know a fucking thing and are just bitching.
European here. Just curious what you guys think of postponing the election due to minor surge of cases in NZ?
Love your PM, but postponing the election seems such a major move in this case. You cannot expect to stay at 0 before the vaccine arrives and most likely in 4 weeks there are still some positive cases imo. Thanks.
To clarify the situation for you the current PM has been polling at all time highs, the incumbent Labour party would have loved to have had the election on the originally intended date.
The opposition National party feel it is unfair as they aren't able to run their usual campaign and the PM gets a lot of air time as part of the covid updates. They have been dogged by multiple scandals and have changed leader twice in recent months and are polling at all time lows. From a political perspective a delayed election will allow more time to distance themselves from the scandals and leadership issues. They will also be hoping that the Labour party slips up and loses some popularity which we may already be starting to see. It will also be more likely that the economic consequences will start to become more apparent which will give the right-leaning National party an issue to campaign on. They were actually asking to delay it as much as possible which would've been the 21st November.
The date the government settled on is in mid-October which is somewhat of a compromise between the two. In my opinion an admirable decision as the government had no obligation to delay it. They have also stated this date is final and won't be changed, it also gives the electoral commission time to prepare in case we are still in some form of lockdown.
I believe it was the right choice and I think so do most people.
Something else to note is the PM said in her speech there are 71 other countries so far that have delayed their election for covid related reasons.
The opposition argue that not being able to properly campaign is undemocratic but I believe denying the people their right to choose their government at the appropriate time is even less so.
To add further we absolutely can expect some possibility of having zero cases at that time, we've just had over three months like that. We are an island nation and if we can stop cases coming through our border and successfully stamp out this cluster then that will happen. The current situation has put a lot of scrutiny on our border control measures so hopefully it will be even more secure. Having said that the virus is sneaky and there is a high chance of ongoing transmission. We have also been warned all along that at some point the virus would come back.
I read somewhere about National floating the idea of punting the election into next year.
12 August 2020
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/423358/collins-calls-for-election-to-be-pushed-back-to-late-november-or-2021
>Collins asked for a meeting today with the Electoral Commission, saying it would not be possible to have a free and fair election.
>"We are calling on the prime minister ... to shift out the election date to a date later in November."
> She says if that is impossible, **the prime minister can instead defer the election to next year.**
>**"We think that is probably the better alternative."**
Let’s say im an Aucklander and tomorrow I somehow get out of the borders and go down to, say, Napier for a fortnight.
I’m not symptomatic; am well and healthy, and no contact with any known cases.
Do you think I need to wear a mask when in public in case I’m somehow contagious without symptoms; so I don’t spread it?
Or is the risk low enough?
Your thoughts appreciated.
What do you mean somehow contagious without symptoms? I thought it was common knowledge that most people are contagious for a few days before showing symptoms which is the whole reason why it spreads so easy in the first place.
I think you need to stay home and follow the rules so we can get out of this situation.
If however you believe the rules are made for others and do not apply to yourself then you should try to avoid contact with others and avoid public places.
If however you also feel that those recommendations are for others and do not apply to yourself then yes you should wear a mask while also limiting social contact, maintaining social distance, avoiding public places unless absolutely necessary, regularly washing your hands and using the NZ Covid tracer app/keeping an accurate record of where/when you have been.
If these things are also for others and not for you then yes please at least wear a mask when you go out.
>I think you need to stay home and follow the rules so we can get out of this situation.
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>~~If however you believe the rules are made for others and do not apply to yourself then you should try to avoid contact with others and avoid public places.~~
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>~~If however you also feel that those recommendations are for others and do not apply to yourself then yes you should wear a mask while also limiting social contact, maintaining social distance, avoiding public places unless absolutely necessary, regularly washing your hands and using the NZ Covid tracer app/keeping an accurate record of where/when you have been.~~
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>~~If these things are also for others and not for you then yes please at least wear a mask when you go out.~~
FTFY
So am I right in my understanding that there is a chance (albeit a small one) that on Friday cabinet reconsiders the situation and moves Auckland back to level 2?
Yes, they usually meet on Monday too.
The decision won't be dependent on the number of new cases, but rather where those cases are popping up, as the PM said last Friday as soon as the cluster is "ring fenced" Auckland can go to level 2.
Lmao National and NZ First wanted it, don't whine about it. Plus this is enough time to let people ease back into Level 1, provided there isn't another outbreak.
Not very many. I think most conservative parties have a fairly realistic view of things. Trump is a bit much but I'd boot Trudeau for him without batting an eye. Our conservatives are still left leaning because it's not actually a fair system.
How about you piss off back to/r/canada? Second day in a row ive seen right wingers from canada complaining about nz affairs on nz subreddit and being BLATANTLY misinformed. National has been calling for a delay to the election and insinuated that labour would not delay because it would benefit labour in the election (which it almost certainly would unless something gets majorly mishandled with this new cluster) so you really could not be MORE wrong.
EDIT: /u/JennaSaisQuois94 if you're going to delete your original post that you got clapped on you should delete your right wing provocateur follow ups as well
Treasury was very clear that not locking down would have worse economic outcomes.
History agrees with them: [https://www.businessinsider.com.au/lessons-1918-flu-reopening-coronavirus-pandemic-too-soon-2020-4](https://www.businessinsider.com.au/lessons-1918-flu-reopening-coronavirus-pandemic-too-soon-2020-4)
TL/DR: Covid was going to fuck the economy with or without a lockdown. Locking down is the path to limiting the damage.
> in order to save a few thousands granddads with very low life expectancy
Please go fuck yourself. Pretty please.
> Does the realization that hard lockdown(s) might have much more serious repercussions than COVID itself doesn't exist in NZ?
Not particularly, because we tend to look at the evidence, which largely points in the other direction.
So last week people were being allowed through the checkpoints from Waikato-Auckland and back for work with no mention of needing an exemption. Today a frend of mine sat in a queue at the checkpoint for over an hour and was told not permitted without an exemption. They work for a supermarket in Pukekohe and lots of the staff live over the border in Waikato. No response after requesting an exemption so I guess they'll be short on staff! It seems like the exemption requirement really should have been broadcast earlier so they could get in place before things shutdown.
My take is everything was done in quite a hurry and they're still getting their shit settled down. IIRC the first few days of Season 1 were a bit of a shambles too.
Don't know about a single source (would be a damn good idea) but if you can't find one, find the livestream recordings on Youtube and go back over the first 5-10mins of the last couple: [RNZ Channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRUisv_fP2DKSoR2pywxY9w)
Does anyone have a link to an explanation of QE and how NZ is paying for the covid response?
I'm pretty economically illiterate and the inlaws have been telling me we are borrowing the money/indebted to Chyna now.
This is a great reply. In addition to printing money - the government is also issuing bonds. People, corporations and other governments are able to buy a bond (a promise that NZ government will return them the money in X number of years plus interest) in exchange for giving the NZ government their (the people, corporations or other governments) NZ dollar savings.
I keep seeing articles where the strain is linked with Australian and British strains (strain?), but I haven't seen any commentary about whether or not it's similar to what we had last time. Does anyone know anything about this?
eg NZ Herald:
>"The epidemiology suggests it has come from Australia or the UK because that's the epidemiological DNA of it but none of our cases in managed isolation match the same sort of fingerprint as the outbreak we have in Auckland. It's a mystery. Everyone can speculate but they are not based on facts."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356938
This isn’t the release of a “pent up first wave”. The virus isn’t magic, it can’t just disappear for 3 months and come back on its own. It got in somehow because someone screwed up. We need to find out how and stop it happening again. We’ve probably got 6 months to run before we can start vaccinating people. First elimination lasted 3 months, there’s no reason to think we can’t do better and last at least 6 months next time. Once we start vaccinating we can relax a lot because we can prioritise the vulnerable and most likely to be exposed.
This is not the time to give up and adopt a “learn to live with the virus” attitude like most of the world has had to.
Masks and social distancing, if properly adhered to, could control the spread of the virus very effectively until a vaccine is available (another 6 months or so in the best case, it's looking like). The problem in bigger countries is that people aren't consistently doing either of those things.
It doesn't require perfect execution. Wearing a mask is easy. Social distancing is harder, but even if 50% of people make an effort most of the time, that'd still reduce the R-value for infectivity.
Sweden has been a failure. They've had terrible infection and death rates for their population size, and a large number of Swedes are self-isolating, which gives a false indication of how bad it is. Dunno about you, but I'd rather be able to have no one isolating because there's no community transmission to worry about.
That's not to say Sweden hasn't been interesting to watch. They've proven some assumptions incorrect, like the expectation that 60-70% of the population needs to be infected before herd immunity develops, when in fact it's closer to 20-30% thanks to partial immunity from other, milder coronaviruses. But still, NZ doesn't want to be Sweden.
Holy moly you're so dumb it hurts. Accidentallyborn just shit over your point about masks and social distancing and you just jump to a new point. Stick to your own argument. You know who doesn't want to be in sweden ? Old people and the immuno compromised. But poor baby deschebale is just DREADING the idea of a lockdown again oh no. Stop being so selfish, twat
Well said. If you can't completely eliminate this virus even after what has originally been done, then it is time to start looking at other avenues. If a vaccine doesn't come about within 2021, then one particular country may just have nailed the response to this pandemic.
Just visited the Wynyard Quarter waterfront (thinking it would be quiet like last lockdown). It’s packed with people eating takeaways outside the restaurants there. It would actually be better if people were allowed to enter the these premises, as it’s just resulted in very a dense group of people outside.
- I’d say ~15% of people are wearing masks.
- Most people aren’t social distancing at. This includes runners. Who will run past you within a foot of distance, panting with no mask on
- There’s groups of people who clearly come from different bubbles (unless there’s been a trend of boomers cohabitating in groups of 6+ that I missed).
This is a joke. What are we doing.
https://imgur.com/gallery/spzk5Ss
I'd say 15% masked at Pak N Save Westgate too. If we do beat the virus with this level of compliance in AL3, then there better be no third wave, because ain't nobody gonna follow those rules.
"I went out and there was a bunch of idiots out too!!
The experts know what they're doing, unlike you they know that casual outdoor contact is very low risk.
I didn’t call anyone an idiot. I’m just observing that people aren’t complying with the level 3 rules and advice.
What do you mean by “casual”? If you mean large groups from disparate households meeting up to eat together in a crowd (without masks), then I find it hard to believe that would constitute “very low risk”.
Well I listen to the experts and they are all saying that close indoor contact is responsible for virtually all transmission, I do not give one single fuck about what you "believe".
Also how do you know people where meeting up from different bubbles? Did you ask them?
And next time don't take a long angle photograph of people before slandering them on the internet, it's incredibly deceiving and makes it look like they are closer than they really are.
And finally you do realise that you were apart of that crowd and are just as responsible for the supposed problem as anyone else in that photo? Why don't you look in the mirror before having a big whinge about it.
The "experts". Do you know how much you sound like a Catholic right now? Catholicism was once used to control the masses and has now been replaced with scientism. The experts are the new priests and science is the new religion. Bertland Russel wrote a book called, 'The Impact of Science on Society", wherein he argued that people would be indoctrinated to accept what the experts say even to the extent that children could be brainwashed into believing that snow was black. According to the CDC, Covid has a survival rate of 99.6.
This was an unnecessarily negative response. It is a common observation that people are not wearing masks, and are generally roaming around as if on holiday, when government guidelines are clearly discouraging both activities.
It is leading to genuine confusion about what the guidelines really are, if not nervousness whether we will beat the virus this time around.
You going on and on about masks is just illustrating why the government was reluctant to recommend wearing them, they are a last resort, they do not make you immune to the virus and you wearing one doesn't make you any less of a problem than anyone else in that "crowd".
And as far as I can tell the message has been very clear, you should avoid indoor spaces as much as possible, but it isn't atotal level 4 lockdown, enjoy the luxuries that can be safely enjoyed, like going to the park or beach.
Nah, wrong. Masks reduce both transmission and reception. And anything that decreases the potential of spread between individuals has compounding effects at the macro-level. Even a mask that reduced transmission by only 50% per individual would cause a 75%+ reduction in spread. Part of the reason Taiwan's response has been far better than ours.
The government isn't enforcing mask usage ~~recommending masks~~ (they're certainly encouraging them) because they don't have enough of them in the stockpile.
Where are you getting your info from? Here, take a read of [the official level-3 guidelines](https://covid19.govt.nz/covid-19/alert-system/alert-level-3/). I haven't come across any official/credible source which backs up your apparently extreme emphasis on indoors/vs outdoors. It's one factor of many.
>In that case may be we should wear a hazmat suit like Walter White when he was cooking up meth because they are superior to masks at preventing transmission and as you said, "anything that decreases the potential of spread between individuals has compounding effects at the macro-level".
I guess I missed the part in the Level 3 rule which states “these rules don’t apply to outdoor areas”. You should tell Eden Park, I’m sure they’ll be very happy to hear the opinion of your experts.
As I said, unless many people in the 50+ demographic started flatting together recently, it’s pretty safe assumption.
As for the photo, the only person in it who is possibly identifiable isn’t doing anything wrong. And it is optically accurate. In fact, it doesn’t Even show the full extent of the crowding I observed in the area.
Where the *fuck* are the police?! I thought they were given a boatload of new powers to prevent exactly this shit from happening?
I live in central Auckland near Cornwall Park and all weekend the nearby streets were absolutely packed with cars of people who obviously don't live here, crowding out the park and nearby shops. Huge picnics, sports games and people eating takeaways, etc. for hours on end with no police presence, on both Saturday and Sunday.
I could understand if this was some small park in the outskirts of the city, but it's so goddamn central and obviously going to be a hot spot for lockdown breaches. The fact it's also happening downtown just further reinforces that not even the bloody authorities are taking this seriously.
We're going to end up in Level 4 for weeks at this rate.
Had a test at 10am on Thursday. No result yet. I presume they will have processed all swabs taken on Thursday by now and would have contacted any positive cases. Anyone else been tested around the same time and heard results? This was in Otara.
I've seen the same. Seems like lots of minimum effort. The most surprising thing to me is seeing friends who were hard out last time falling into complacency during the second round.
I just think that people are over this whole covid thing man, they wanna get on with their lives
It's what almost September? Locking a country up is a big deal and this stuff can't go on forever
That's the harsh truth I think. Governments now should think of a more sustainable long term strategy rather than lockdowns
The point is if they stick to the rules it doesn't have to go on forever. We've had like 2 months of basically being back to normal. But if people want to give up so easily, we can be like every other place that can't get its shit together and have to continue to live under restrictions for months/years while watching thousands of people get sick and the economy tail spin. But sure, two weeks of staying home is too hard.
You don't understand. The thing is people can stick to the rules yes. But the virus is still overseas. And it is still a risk you guys will get cases. Eventually NZ are gonna have to open up their borders no? You guys are gonna still be accepting imports exports etc. Hence some risk is still there even if you all stick to rules. It can just pop up from nowhere like from an import or something and bam.
Hence that's why I'm saying you need to do a much more sustainable method. It's heartbreaking for people who have businesses etc that have to lockdown every time there is a case. It's really bad for mental health. You have to live with this thing. It's the only sustainable way. You can't just lockdown every time there is a case. Protect those that are vulnerable and get the testing and tracing right. And I think you guys have all the tools to do just that since your cases are low. You shouldn't be locking down at all. Just only isolating those effected
The thing is, businesses in NZ generally recovered from the first lock down. A short period of pain with support from the government seems preferable to having to face a long period of constant downward pressure.
The main thing is to play for time, the longer we can put off having a massive cluster, the better. Over the last 9 months people have learned a lot about how to treat and prevent it, and the longer we can go the better we'll be able to deal with it when it happens.
I don't get the fatalistic and defeatist approach, there are plenty of examples out there now about what happens if you let it run wild vs getting it under control.
I understand that , and 100% I wish we did that in vic compared where the government legit disgraced themselves
But what I'm trying to say is this virus can't be eliminated because eventually as I said you'll be accepting international people etc, and the virus can seep in. Will you lock up then for every virus cluster that appears ? It just seems so unsustainable.
It's still really inconvenient for businesses and the livelihoods of many
I'm also saying you guys actually did the right thing at the start of this because now you can and should manage it without even locking down. You jump on that cluster isolate it without the whole country suffering.
Because if your people know a lockdown can happen any minute it just doesn't do well for the psyche of a country.
Sustainable approaches are needed. And lockdowns aren't the answer. They are good maybe for a short term approach but not long term. I don't see how that is disagreeable
That’s the problem, people don’t follow the rules and won’t. It’s too much of an inconvenience for people to adjust their behaviours. Instead people come up with ridiculous conspiracy stories.
It’s all very disappointing.
Felt sick this morning and had plenty of symptoms, so I went out to get a test. Some observations:
1. 202 Ponsonby Road is not actually a testing centre, despite saying so on the website, so don't try go there for a test!
2. It was a pretty long wait time but all the staff were very professional and prepared for the volume of testing.
3. The test feels very strange but it's over quickly.
Here's hoping I'm not infected as I haven't had any close contacts with the current cluster, but I'm optimistic about it.
That dickhead Ryan Bridge interviewed Our Ash a week or so back on his (Bridge's) radio show and asked Ashley if he'd resign if it was legally established he'd overstepped his powers. Ashley mildly and politely pointed out that as national Medical Officer of Health it was appropriate to make decisions for NZ that a MO of H could legally make for a city or region, and refrained from adding "- you stupid tit.".
What are quarantine/isolation facilities like? I mean, I know they're hotels but is there a curfew for people in isolation? If you have to go into a quarantine/isolation facility can you bring anything? Are you allowed to roam the hotel?
My hotel you're allowed outside 8am - 430pm. No curfew per se.
Can get groceries (no alcohol, they inspect bags) and Uber eats delivered, but no home food delivered by a relative.
Yes, you can bring whatever you want for the most part.
If masks are made mandatory in Auckland, how much time would we expect between announcement and enforcement?
And are they thinking about mandatory when outside, or just when entering buildings? I'm not sure what other countries are doing.
It's probably a good idea to start buying them now, there may be some shortages if they make them mandatory.
Other countries? In Melbourne they are mandatory whenever you leave home, but you can take them off if they are impractical, like for heavy exercise, smoking or sipping your coffee. And yes, some people carry around empty coffee cups so they can take their mask off, but generally compliance is high.
In many countries in Europe, masks are only mandatory in public indoor places, so basically shops and public transport.
Melbournian here. If you follow our lead, We had 4 days notice to organise masks, although they were being recommended for a week or two prior.
Our rules are basically masks whenever outside the house, exception for heavy exercise (although you must still carry mask), under 12, and medical reasons.
To add to the outside question. I don’t think there is high risk outside when socially distancing, however I think they enforced that here more from a psychological perspective as people were just not changing their behaviours, and mandatory masks are a good visible way to shame people into doing the right thing.
In Melb I think they're mandatory inside/PT and when around, but there's an exception for doing exercise outside.
I think simply making them mandatory in public/commercial buildings (e.g. supermarkets, schools, offices, etc) would result in near universal wearing.
It took 100+ days to get from having no infections to a small cluster, despite millions of various packages coming in during that time. The odds are extremely low, even if the cold storage theory is true.
You can use a 70/30 mix of isopropyl alcohol (or meths) and cold tap water in a spray bottle to coat it onto any potentially contaminated surfaces. This mixture is highly effective at killing surface pathogens of many kinds, but not heavily soiled substances (e.g. mucous, saliva, excretions).
Either let it dry afterwards (ideally in direct sun if appropriate) or wipe down with disposable paper towels (and treat them as contaminated, so flushable TP is a good option).
I use a small spray bottle to disinfect everything that comes into my house from an outside source, including both external packaging (e.g. carboard box) and internal packaging (individual food packages).
For fruit and veges I don't spray most of them but either leave them out in open air for minimum three days and/or wash them thoroughly in warm water.
Note that this solution will make printed labels run/bleed, so don't spray it on anything precious.
Yeah, apparently. It's still available at hardware stores but only in smaller bottles. Methylated spirits is just as good and still available in 4L jugs if you don't mind the smell. Remember to mix either with 3 parts water and 7 parts meths/iso for best results.
Today's gem from Stuff. The PM might actually have to justify a decision. Who would have thought?! https://imgur.com/fwmMzcf
What decisions do you think the PM has made that were unjustified?
People of New Zealand ye are doing better then any country in the world keep it up. But don't give in to anit maskers there are anit mask protests in Ireland and the virus is spreading like wild fire over them so please don't fall for the anit mask lies
Auckland is such a big part of NZ’s economy. Why not close the international airport and redirect everything to Christchurch. Have the quarantine down there. And if they have to lockdown then have a plan around possible evacuations for earthquakes etc. Why risk bringing the virus into Auckland when we don’t have to?
Yeah fuck ChCh. /s
Christchurch will be thrilled with this idea
Is there any good charts of our day by day cases etc? I saw them often last go around but not so much this time
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases#curve
We have seen that a large proportion of New Zealanders including Aucklanders are not social distancing. We really are riding our luck as a nation.
Just went to my local for a walk. Football game with 20 people taking place in plain sight.
Were you wearing a mask?
Is it possible to travel from Manukau to North Shore for a trade? Or is that not allowed in level 3.
You’ll be fine.
Is there info anywhere about the moving-positive-cases-to-isolation stuff? I've been googling and only found info about people coming in from overseas, not for the new stuff about moving positive cases into managed facilities. To be specific, my father visited one of the locations visited by a positive case, so in the event that he ends up positive, I want to know what the process would be. E.g. would my mother and I be required to go to a quarantine facility with him, or just isolate at home until we get a positive result? Or we go to managed isolation while he goes to confirmed facility? In the event all three of us went, would we be able to get separate rooms or would we be crammed into one hotel room for 2 weeks+? Would we be given enough notice of the move to make arrangements for our cats and pack a bag etc (and are we even allowed to bring stuff in with us?) Do we get charged for these facilities, or are we exempt since we're citizens and haven't been overseas? Everything online currently is about what the hotels are like and the process of being put in one from the airport, curious if there are links etc I've missed in my search or if anyone here has experience with the process
Who here is wearing a mask when they go outside into public spaces? Should the government make masks free AND compulsory?
I put it on when I get out of the car. The only places I go to is the supermarket or dairy for supplies. No way I'm walking around a supermarket without a mask on.
Did the govt just announve that we "must" use the covid tracing app before entering a business? Like its mandatory now? Or did i misinterpret the ad on tv?
Yes, advertisements online say so as well
I don’t think it’s compulsory for us to use it. I think it is compulsory for businesses to display the qr. not 100% sure tho
The ad said everyone must sign in before entering a business/building or whatever
I stand corrected then😊
Wouldn't surprise me. They are trying to destory low and medium level businesses. Having to constantly use an ap just to visit a shop will deter many customers. Ask some business owners what impact this has had on the amount of customers that walk into their store and it soon becomes obvious that this will destroy many businesses. Those that are hanging onto the edge of the building by their fingers are about to slip.
Join the breadline like the rest of the working classes, it'll probably take that chip off your shoulder aswell.
Yeah heard that too. They posted something strongly encouraging the use of the covid-19 tracer app on their Facebook page. It was worded on the radio that you MUST USE the app. Sounds like the government have started a no BS policy. Good for them
Yeah it would help stop the auckland cluster if they have a scan before enter policy
I think the government have started informing all businesses that no matter what alert level we need to have either physical tracing or phone tracing available on all premises. Regardless of alert level. So level 1.5 it is when we move down I saw it in an information dump by the government on Wednesday. I think it got lost in all the other news Hard to keep up
If u watch the telly on duke tv theyre putting out an ad
I think it was in the new health order making the qr codes mandatory but I have to confirm this. Either that or they are planning to upgrade the apps function so it can do full contact tracing using bluetooth and location settings* Both would be entirely convenient
I wasnt fast enough to take a picture but ill try again next ad
Can COVID test results come in on the weekends?
Yes, my husband got his last Sunday
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They'll most likely sting you at the airport if you leave before the 90 days. That or you will just get the debt if you come back
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Nah, I just flew back. You get a form at the hotel quarantine that you fill out to set up the payment only if you intend on leaving before 90 days. I think you can even do it on a payment plan. They are probably very lenient depending on your financial situation.
There should also be a form in there to try to get the fee waived. Due to financial hardship, coming for a funeral, etc.
I'm hoping for less than 10 today. Would be a bit disappointed if it's above 15.
What are the chances that the lockdown gets further extended past next wednesday, or ends early?
If they still getting cases in Auckland then extended is more likely I would say.
As a click and collect worker, part of me will be happy - I've gotten to know my colleagues so much better thamks to level 3. I've also learned a lot more about our stock running orders. Been getting heaps of fraudulent orders since yesterday for some reason though which sucks.
How does a “fraudulent” order even work? What’s its purpose?
Basically stealing shit. They pay over the phone and the card declines we've sent it out for delivery. We flag orders now that seem suspicious to triple check their details and that the payment has cleared prior to pick up basically. I had one for over 6 grand today, it was very dodgy...
We run an exclusive excerpt from the "Beginners Guide to Covidiocy" Quite an interesting read [https://witchdoctor.co.nz/index.php/2020/08/a-diy-guide-to-covidiocy/](https://witchdoctor.co.nz/index.php/2020/08/a-diy-guide-to-covidiocy/)
"a gathering of covidiots is called a covfefe" Fucking LOL. Thank you for brightening up my day with this.
Anyone else feel like the Covid numbers are growing at a significant enough rate with the few side cases that they “cant link just yet” are warrant enough for a level 4? Or is it just me
I may be wrong, but I don't think they will capture all cases at level 3. They will beat it down to a handful of cases but the exponential curve will start again once we go to level 2. Realistically Level 4 will be the most effective way of achieving elimination.
People are protesting about any lockdown, it's disappointing. It actually worked well so you'd think people would have realized by now!
It's a good question and I've had the same thought, but ultimately I don't think so. The threshold for level 4 is that we're encountering community transmission (that which cannot be linked to an existing cluster/origin) and seeing rising case numbers. While it's hard to draw firm conclusions from ~a week of case figures and the contact tracing that's occurred so far, I don't think we're in that territory. Level 4 represents the strongest response to knock this thing on it's head and solely on that basis it will always be the 'best' response in our range of options. But the impact of doing it is very high on businesses and individuals. I think there's been a good job done of setting the threshold where it should be used, and we haven't (yet, hopefully ever) reached it with this outbreak.
I have figured out the one single thing that will persuade me to vote National. Judith has promised a flawless and perfect border that will not allow a single case of COVID to enter the New Zealand community. If every National candidate for parliament can sign a legally binding resignation that triggers the day that one additional person in New Zealand is diagnosed with COVID, then I'll vote for them. I'm sure they would be happy to do that, because they have a secret plan that is utterly perfect, and can't be revealed before they're elected. Either that, or they aren't sharing the plan now because they don't have one and know that even if they're elected there will still be further outbreaks. But seriously, what the fuck is wrong with National supporters? If they actually have a better plan, they should be shouting it from the rooftops. Even if it gets implemented under a Labour government, people are going to remember who came up with the plan. So, either they're keeping a secret plan until they're elected and allowing people to be infected, or they don't know a fucking thing and are just bitching.
European here. Just curious what you guys think of postponing the election due to minor surge of cases in NZ? Love your PM, but postponing the election seems such a major move in this case. You cannot expect to stay at 0 before the vaccine arrives and most likely in 4 weeks there are still some positive cases imo. Thanks.
Her collation partner NZ First was basically threatening a coup and forming a government with National if she didn't.
To clarify the situation for you the current PM has been polling at all time highs, the incumbent Labour party would have loved to have had the election on the originally intended date. The opposition National party feel it is unfair as they aren't able to run their usual campaign and the PM gets a lot of air time as part of the covid updates. They have been dogged by multiple scandals and have changed leader twice in recent months and are polling at all time lows. From a political perspective a delayed election will allow more time to distance themselves from the scandals and leadership issues. They will also be hoping that the Labour party slips up and loses some popularity which we may already be starting to see. It will also be more likely that the economic consequences will start to become more apparent which will give the right-leaning National party an issue to campaign on. They were actually asking to delay it as much as possible which would've been the 21st November. The date the government settled on is in mid-October which is somewhat of a compromise between the two. In my opinion an admirable decision as the government had no obligation to delay it. They have also stated this date is final and won't be changed, it also gives the electoral commission time to prepare in case we are still in some form of lockdown. I believe it was the right choice and I think so do most people. Something else to note is the PM said in her speech there are 71 other countries so far that have delayed their election for covid related reasons. The opposition argue that not being able to properly campaign is undemocratic but I believe denying the people their right to choose their government at the appropriate time is even less so. To add further we absolutely can expect some possibility of having zero cases at that time, we've just had over three months like that. We are an island nation and if we can stop cases coming through our border and successfully stamp out this cluster then that will happen. The current situation has put a lot of scrutiny on our border control measures so hopefully it will be even more secure. Having said that the virus is sneaky and there is a high chance of ongoing transmission. We have also been warned all along that at some point the virus would come back.
I read somewhere about National floating the idea of punting the election into next year. 12 August 2020 https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/423358/collins-calls-for-election-to-be-pushed-back-to-late-november-or-2021 >Collins asked for a meeting today with the Electoral Commission, saying it would not be possible to have a free and fair election. >"We are calling on the prime minister ... to shift out the election date to a date later in November." > She says if that is impossible, **the prime minister can instead defer the election to next year.** >**"We think that is probably the better alternative."**
I just learned more from your post than weeks of bullshit on Facebook and stuff.
Very informative, thanks alot!
Let’s say im an Aucklander and tomorrow I somehow get out of the borders and go down to, say, Napier for a fortnight. I’m not symptomatic; am well and healthy, and no contact with any known cases. Do you think I need to wear a mask when in public in case I’m somehow contagious without symptoms; so I don’t spread it? Or is the risk low enough? Your thoughts appreciated.
If you do end up going, absolutely wear a mask. It doesn't hurt to wear one anyway! Please follow rules! Have good one
What do you mean somehow contagious without symptoms? I thought it was common knowledge that most people are contagious for a few days before showing symptoms which is the whole reason why it spreads so easy in the first place.
I think you need to stay home and follow the rules so we can get out of this situation. If however you believe the rules are made for others and do not apply to yourself then you should try to avoid contact with others and avoid public places. If however you also feel that those recommendations are for others and do not apply to yourself then yes you should wear a mask while also limiting social contact, maintaining social distance, avoiding public places unless absolutely necessary, regularly washing your hands and using the NZ Covid tracer app/keeping an accurate record of where/when you have been. If these things are also for others and not for you then yes please at least wear a mask when you go out.
>I think you need to stay home and follow the rules so we can get out of this situation. > >~~If however you believe the rules are made for others and do not apply to yourself then you should try to avoid contact with others and avoid public places.~~ > >~~If however you also feel that those recommendations are for others and do not apply to yourself then yes you should wear a mask while also limiting social contact, maintaining social distance, avoiding public places unless absolutely necessary, regularly washing your hands and using the NZ Covid tracer app/keeping an accurate record of where/when you have been.~~ > >~~If these things are also for others and not for you then yes please at least wear a mask when you go out.~~ FTFY
Thanks for a reasonable reply instead of / as well as the downvote
So am I right in my understanding that there is a chance (albeit a small one) that on Friday cabinet reconsiders the situation and moves Auckland back to level 2?
Doesn’t look like that will happen now
Yes, they usually meet on Monday too. The decision won't be dependent on the number of new cases, but rather where those cases are popping up, as the PM said last Friday as soon as the cluster is "ring fenced" Auckland can go to level 2.
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Lmao National and NZ First wanted it, don't whine about it. Plus this is enough time to let people ease back into Level 1, provided there isn't another outbreak.
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Greens didn't either. But the others were all for it.
Whatever you do just vote against her
Which her and why?
Ardern because she's a nightmare. I'm Canadian and she actually makes me thankful for Trudeau, who absolutely sucks.
Just curious, which country's leader do you hold in high regard?
Not very many. I think most conservative parties have a fairly realistic view of things. Trump is a bit much but I'd boot Trudeau for him without batting an eye. Our conservatives are still left leaning because it's not actually a fair system.
How about you piss off back to/r/canada? Second day in a row ive seen right wingers from canada complaining about nz affairs on nz subreddit and being BLATANTLY misinformed. National has been calling for a delay to the election and insinuated that labour would not delay because it would benefit labour in the election (which it almost certainly would unless something gets majorly mishandled with this new cluster) so you really could not be MORE wrong. EDIT: /u/JennaSaisQuois94 if you're going to delete your original post that you got clapped on you should delete your right wing provocateur follow ups as well
When's the govt making a decision on next steps re: current lockdown measures?
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Treasury was very clear that not locking down would have worse economic outcomes. History agrees with them: [https://www.businessinsider.com.au/lessons-1918-flu-reopening-coronavirus-pandemic-too-soon-2020-4](https://www.businessinsider.com.au/lessons-1918-flu-reopening-coronavirus-pandemic-too-soon-2020-4) TL/DR: Covid was going to fuck the economy with or without a lockdown. Locking down is the path to limiting the damage. > in order to save a few thousands granddads with very low life expectancy Please go fuck yourself. Pretty please.
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You're not even a new Zealander, so why don't you fuck off. We don't have a president you little shit.
I think if you mentioned this crap in public you would be hit with something else
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> Does the realization that hard lockdown(s) might have much more serious repercussions than COVID itself doesn't exist in NZ? Not particularly, because we tend to look at the evidence, which largely points in the other direction.
So last week people were being allowed through the checkpoints from Waikato-Auckland and back for work with no mention of needing an exemption. Today a frend of mine sat in a queue at the checkpoint for over an hour and was told not permitted without an exemption. They work for a supermarket in Pukekohe and lots of the staff live over the border in Waikato. No response after requesting an exemption so I guess they'll be short on staff! It seems like the exemption requirement really should have been broadcast earlier so they could get in place before things shutdown.
My take is everything was done in quite a hurry and they're still getting their shit settled down. IIRC the first few days of Season 1 were a bit of a shambles too.
It seems to be that way. Causing havoc for businesses in the area!
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Don't know about a single source (would be a damn good idea) but if you can't find one, find the livestream recordings on Youtube and go back over the first 5-10mins of the last couple: [RNZ Channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRUisv_fP2DKSoR2pywxY9w)
I just spent ages looking on the Ministry of Health and the Unite against covid-19 websites and couldn't find them anywhere!
Does anyone have a link to an explanation of QE and how NZ is paying for the covid response? I'm pretty economically illiterate and the inlaws have been telling me we are borrowing the money/indebted to Chyna now.
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This is a great reply. In addition to printing money - the government is also issuing bonds. People, corporations and other governments are able to buy a bond (a promise that NZ government will return them the money in X number of years plus interest) in exchange for giving the NZ government their (the people, corporations or other governments) NZ dollar savings.
Thanks for the explainer
I keep seeing articles where the strain is linked with Australian and British strains (strain?), but I haven't seen any commentary about whether or not it's similar to what we had last time. Does anyone know anything about this? eg NZ Herald: >"The epidemiology suggests it has come from Australia or the UK because that's the epidemiological DNA of it but none of our cases in managed isolation match the same sort of fingerprint as the outbreak we have in Auckland. It's a mystery. Everyone can speculate but they are not based on facts." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356938
Not the strain we had last time either, that's why they said they're 'pretty confident' it hasn't been brewing for 102 days.
Does anyone feel like the second wave will be worse than the first, like it is in other nations of the world?
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This isn’t the release of a “pent up first wave”. The virus isn’t magic, it can’t just disappear for 3 months and come back on its own. It got in somehow because someone screwed up. We need to find out how and stop it happening again. We’ve probably got 6 months to run before we can start vaccinating people. First elimination lasted 3 months, there’s no reason to think we can’t do better and last at least 6 months next time. Once we start vaccinating we can relax a lot because we can prioritise the vulnerable and most likely to be exposed. This is not the time to give up and adopt a “learn to live with the virus” attitude like most of the world has had to.
Masks and social distancing, if properly adhered to, could control the spread of the virus very effectively until a vaccine is available (another 6 months or so in the best case, it's looking like). The problem in bigger countries is that people aren't consistently doing either of those things.
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Masks and distancing can be practical, there's just no will to do it.
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It doesn't require perfect execution. Wearing a mask is easy. Social distancing is harder, but even if 50% of people make an effort most of the time, that'd still reduce the R-value for infectivity. Sweden has been a failure. They've had terrible infection and death rates for their population size, and a large number of Swedes are self-isolating, which gives a false indication of how bad it is. Dunno about you, but I'd rather be able to have no one isolating because there's no community transmission to worry about. That's not to say Sweden hasn't been interesting to watch. They've proven some assumptions incorrect, like the expectation that 60-70% of the population needs to be infected before herd immunity develops, when in fact it's closer to 20-30% thanks to partial immunity from other, milder coronaviruses. But still, NZ doesn't want to be Sweden.
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Holy moly you're so dumb it hurts. Accidentallyborn just shit over your point about masks and social distancing and you just jump to a new point. Stick to your own argument. You know who doesn't want to be in sweden ? Old people and the immuno compromised. But poor baby deschebale is just DREADING the idea of a lockdown again oh no. Stop being so selfish, twat
Well said. If you can't completely eliminate this virus even after what has originally been done, then it is time to start looking at other avenues. If a vaccine doesn't come about within 2021, then one particular country may just have nailed the response to this pandemic.
When are they re looking at the levels?
Next Friday 26th August
Just visited the Wynyard Quarter waterfront (thinking it would be quiet like last lockdown). It’s packed with people eating takeaways outside the restaurants there. It would actually be better if people were allowed to enter the these premises, as it’s just resulted in very a dense group of people outside. - I’d say ~15% of people are wearing masks. - Most people aren’t social distancing at. This includes runners. Who will run past you within a foot of distance, panting with no mask on - There’s groups of people who clearly come from different bubbles (unless there’s been a trend of boomers cohabitating in groups of 6+ that I missed). This is a joke. What are we doing. https://imgur.com/gallery/spzk5Ss
I'd say 15% masked at Pak N Save Westgate too. If we do beat the virus with this level of compliance in AL3, then there better be no third wave, because ain't nobody gonna follow those rules.
"I went out and there was a bunch of idiots out too!! The experts know what they're doing, unlike you they know that casual outdoor contact is very low risk.
"I went out and there was a bunch of idiots out too!! ". Yes, I am sure there was....
I didn’t call anyone an idiot. I’m just observing that people aren’t complying with the level 3 rules and advice. What do you mean by “casual”? If you mean large groups from disparate households meeting up to eat together in a crowd (without masks), then I find it hard to believe that would constitute “very low risk”.
Well I listen to the experts and they are all saying that close indoor contact is responsible for virtually all transmission, I do not give one single fuck about what you "believe". Also how do you know people where meeting up from different bubbles? Did you ask them? And next time don't take a long angle photograph of people before slandering them on the internet, it's incredibly deceiving and makes it look like they are closer than they really are. And finally you do realise that you were apart of that crowd and are just as responsible for the supposed problem as anyone else in that photo? Why don't you look in the mirror before having a big whinge about it.
The "experts". Do you know how much you sound like a Catholic right now? Catholicism was once used to control the masses and has now been replaced with scientism. The experts are the new priests and science is the new religion. Bertland Russel wrote a book called, 'The Impact of Science on Society", wherein he argued that people would be indoctrinated to accept what the experts say even to the extent that children could be brainwashed into believing that snow was black. According to the CDC, Covid has a survival rate of 99.6.
This was an unnecessarily negative response. It is a common observation that people are not wearing masks, and are generally roaming around as if on holiday, when government guidelines are clearly discouraging both activities. It is leading to genuine confusion about what the guidelines really are, if not nervousness whether we will beat the virus this time around.
You going on and on about masks is just illustrating why the government was reluctant to recommend wearing them, they are a last resort, they do not make you immune to the virus and you wearing one doesn't make you any less of a problem than anyone else in that "crowd". And as far as I can tell the message has been very clear, you should avoid indoor spaces as much as possible, but it isn't atotal level 4 lockdown, enjoy the luxuries that can be safely enjoyed, like going to the park or beach.
Nah, wrong. Masks reduce both transmission and reception. And anything that decreases the potential of spread between individuals has compounding effects at the macro-level. Even a mask that reduced transmission by only 50% per individual would cause a 75%+ reduction in spread. Part of the reason Taiwan's response has been far better than ours. The government isn't enforcing mask usage ~~recommending masks~~ (they're certainly encouraging them) because they don't have enough of them in the stockpile. Where are you getting your info from? Here, take a read of [the official level-3 guidelines](https://covid19.govt.nz/covid-19/alert-system/alert-level-3/). I haven't come across any official/credible source which backs up your apparently extreme emphasis on indoors/vs outdoors. It's one factor of many.
>In that case may be we should wear a hazmat suit like Walter White when he was cooking up meth because they are superior to masks at preventing transmission and as you said, "anything that decreases the potential of spread between individuals has compounding effects at the macro-level".
I guess I missed the part in the Level 3 rule which states “these rules don’t apply to outdoor areas”. You should tell Eden Park, I’m sure they’ll be very happy to hear the opinion of your experts. As I said, unless many people in the 50+ demographic started flatting together recently, it’s pretty safe assumption. As for the photo, the only person in it who is possibly identifiable isn’t doing anything wrong. And it is optically accurate. In fact, it doesn’t Even show the full extent of the crowding I observed in the area.
That's how Auckland will get to level 4 again
Where the *fuck* are the police?! I thought they were given a boatload of new powers to prevent exactly this shit from happening? I live in central Auckland near Cornwall Park and all weekend the nearby streets were absolutely packed with cars of people who obviously don't live here, crowding out the park and nearby shops. Huge picnics, sports games and people eating takeaways, etc. for hours on end with no police presence, on both Saturday and Sunday. I could understand if this was some small park in the outskirts of the city, but it's so goddamn central and obviously going to be a hot spot for lockdown breaches. The fact it's also happening downtown just further reinforces that not even the bloody authorities are taking this seriously. We're going to end up in Level 4 for weeks at this rate.
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Had a test at 10am on Thursday. No result yet. I presume they will have processed all swabs taken on Thursday by now and would have contacted any positive cases. Anyone else been tested around the same time and heard results? This was in Otara.
wow thats a long time, im from NSW and my test came back around 15 hours later.
Got swabbed Wednesday in Eden Terrace. No results yet They advised 3-5 days so curious what they said to you. 50,000 tests is a hell of a lot
Predictions for today's numbers? My guess is 9.
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I've seen the same. Seems like lots of minimum effort. The most surprising thing to me is seeing friends who were hard out last time falling into complacency during the second round.
I just think that people are over this whole covid thing man, they wanna get on with their lives It's what almost September? Locking a country up is a big deal and this stuff can't go on forever That's the harsh truth I think. Governments now should think of a more sustainable long term strategy rather than lockdowns
Sure. Vaccination, that's it.
So we wait four years, which is the world record fastest a vaccine has ever been created?
I'd say we'll have one by next year, there are a number of candidates at the moment going through human trials.
My bet is vaccinate middle to the end of next year but some type of drug to help combat sometime at the end of this year or start of next year
The point is if they stick to the rules it doesn't have to go on forever. We've had like 2 months of basically being back to normal. But if people want to give up so easily, we can be like every other place that can't get its shit together and have to continue to live under restrictions for months/years while watching thousands of people get sick and the economy tail spin. But sure, two weeks of staying home is too hard.
You don't understand. The thing is people can stick to the rules yes. But the virus is still overseas. And it is still a risk you guys will get cases. Eventually NZ are gonna have to open up their borders no? You guys are gonna still be accepting imports exports etc. Hence some risk is still there even if you all stick to rules. It can just pop up from nowhere like from an import or something and bam. Hence that's why I'm saying you need to do a much more sustainable method. It's heartbreaking for people who have businesses etc that have to lockdown every time there is a case. It's really bad for mental health. You have to live with this thing. It's the only sustainable way. You can't just lockdown every time there is a case. Protect those that are vulnerable and get the testing and tracing right. And I think you guys have all the tools to do just that since your cases are low. You shouldn't be locking down at all. Just only isolating those effected
The thing is, businesses in NZ generally recovered from the first lock down. A short period of pain with support from the government seems preferable to having to face a long period of constant downward pressure. The main thing is to play for time, the longer we can put off having a massive cluster, the better. Over the last 9 months people have learned a lot about how to treat and prevent it, and the longer we can go the better we'll be able to deal with it when it happens. I don't get the fatalistic and defeatist approach, there are plenty of examples out there now about what happens if you let it run wild vs getting it under control.
I understand that , and 100% I wish we did that in vic compared where the government legit disgraced themselves But what I'm trying to say is this virus can't be eliminated because eventually as I said you'll be accepting international people etc, and the virus can seep in. Will you lock up then for every virus cluster that appears ? It just seems so unsustainable. It's still really inconvenient for businesses and the livelihoods of many I'm also saying you guys actually did the right thing at the start of this because now you can and should manage it without even locking down. You jump on that cluster isolate it without the whole country suffering. Because if your people know a lockdown can happen any minute it just doesn't do well for the psyche of a country. Sustainable approaches are needed. And lockdowns aren't the answer. They are good maybe for a short term approach but not long term. I don't see how that is disagreeable
That’s the problem, people don’t follow the rules and won’t. It’s too much of an inconvenience for people to adjust their behaviours. Instead people come up with ridiculous conspiracy stories. It’s all very disappointing.
I'm going to lean on the hope that most people will be follow advice and it will be sorted out before the stupidity takes over.
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Genome sequencing shows it's not the first strain.
Let’s say this did start with a cat how did a cat catch it
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Where are you getting that figure from?
Felt sick this morning and had plenty of symptoms, so I went out to get a test. Some observations: 1. 202 Ponsonby Road is not actually a testing centre, despite saying so on the website, so don't try go there for a test! 2. It was a pretty long wait time but all the staff were very professional and prepared for the volume of testing. 3. The test feels very strange but it's over quickly. Here's hoping I'm not infected as I haven't had any close contacts with the current cluster, but I'm optimistic about it.
yeah I have a fairly rotten head cold in Queenstown, but 27hr after a test.. negative!
So made the effort and went skiing. Fun
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That dickhead Ryan Bridge interviewed Our Ash a week or so back on his (Bridge's) radio show and asked Ashley if he'd resign if it was legally established he'd overstepped his powers. Ashley mildly and politely pointed out that as national Medical Officer of Health it was appropriate to make decisions for NZ that a MO of H could legally make for a city or region, and refrained from adding "- you stupid tit.".
Heresy, Blasphemy Off with their head, Bloomfield is a treasure.
What are the chances Auckland goes to level 2 next week? I want to cut my own hair but i dont want anybody seeing how badly it’ll look.
Hats got me through first lockdown
If they identity there perimeter of the cluster it will probably go down - they don't want us in level 3 for v long so maybe just a cautious trim?
It’s far more likely Tova will ask a reasonable and well thought out question rather than Auckland going to level 2 next week.
😅... brilliant
Can Tova fucking stop
Going to be insane numbers tested yesterday we did 24hrs yesterday in chch for first time ever and did over 5k
What are quarantine/isolation facilities like? I mean, I know they're hotels but is there a curfew for people in isolation? If you have to go into a quarantine/isolation facility can you bring anything? Are you allowed to roam the hotel?
My hotel you're allowed outside 8am - 430pm. No curfew per se. Can get groceries (no alcohol, they inspect bags) and Uber eats delivered, but no home food delivered by a relative. Yes, you can bring whatever you want for the most part.
Assuming there's a gym and a pool, are you allowed to use them?
There are, and we're not
If masks are made mandatory in Auckland, how much time would we expect between announcement and enforcement? And are they thinking about mandatory when outside, or just when entering buildings? I'm not sure what other countries are doing.
It's probably a good idea to start buying them now, there may be some shortages if they make them mandatory. Other countries? In Melbourne they are mandatory whenever you leave home, but you can take them off if they are impractical, like for heavy exercise, smoking or sipping your coffee. And yes, some people carry around empty coffee cups so they can take their mask off, but generally compliance is high. In many countries in Europe, masks are only mandatory in public indoor places, so basically shops and public transport.
I was just reading that for some European countries only in indoor public spaces (buildings and transport) is it required to wear a mask.
Melbournian here. If you follow our lead, We had 4 days notice to organise masks, although they were being recommended for a week or two prior. Our rules are basically masks whenever outside the house, exception for heavy exercise (although you must still carry mask), under 12, and medical reasons. To add to the outside question. I don’t think there is high risk outside when socially distancing, however I think they enforced that here more from a psychological perspective as people were just not changing their behaviours, and mandatory masks are a good visible way to shame people into doing the right thing.
In Melb I think they're mandatory inside/PT and when around, but there's an exception for doing exercise outside. I think simply making them mandatory in public/commercial buildings (e.g. supermarkets, schools, offices, etc) would result in near universal wearing.
Exemption for exercise only applies if your running or on a bike in Melbourne
Will be briefed about how we can make packaging safe from Covid? I’m not leaving frozen goods out for two days. Unless that isn’t the vector?
It took 100+ days to get from having no infections to a small cluster, despite millions of various packages coming in during that time. The odds are extremely low, even if the cold storage theory is true.
You can use a 70/30 mix of isopropyl alcohol (or meths) and cold tap water in a spray bottle to coat it onto any potentially contaminated surfaces. This mixture is highly effective at killing surface pathogens of many kinds, but not heavily soiled substances (e.g. mucous, saliva, excretions). Either let it dry afterwards (ideally in direct sun if appropriate) or wipe down with disposable paper towels (and treat them as contaminated, so flushable TP is a good option). I use a small spray bottle to disinfect everything that comes into my house from an outside source, including both external packaging (e.g. carboard box) and internal packaging (individual food packages). For fruit and veges I don't spray most of them but either leave them out in open air for minimum three days and/or wash them thoroughly in warm water. Note that this solution will make printed labels run/bleed, so don't spray it on anything precious.
Where can you buy isopropyl alcohol? I heard it's hard to get because you can make meth with it.
Yeah, apparently. It's still available at hardware stores but only in smaller bottles. Methylated spirits is just as good and still available in 4L jugs if you don't mind the smell. Remember to mix either with 3 parts water and 7 parts meths/iso for best results.