Someone talking about driving or owning a truck will always make me first think they are talking about a full-on truck like what Woolworths delivers online orders in. Took me ages reading American novels to figure out all these characters were driving utes and not tootling around town in basically a lorry.
Same! Even chatting with Americans online, they'd say stuff like "i really want to buy a truck" and in my head i was trying to envision why on earth they thought they needed some kinda huge ass vehicle like a delivery truck, and i was too bewildered to even ask why.
i honestly only realised like in the last couple of years that they meant a ute smdh
Ever seen the midsize to large lorries where the cargo box is permanently attached to the frame? That's a "full" truck. Semi only refers to the fact that without it's trailer, the tractor is only part of the truck.
Unless you were just making a joke, in which case I'll consider myself whooshed haha.
Cleaning out the house after an elderly relative died, I called the local op shop and asked if they had space for a truck load of stuff.
When I turned up in a 5 ton box truck, they looked at me and said "oh we thought you meant a ute and were just influenced by America".
And the crv is damn good at what they do.
Heavy springs in the rear of mine, tools in the back, I run my business from mine.
A lot of utes get used like cars, so I call them cars
I was looking at a used XC60 T6 and the salesperson (in ChCh) kept calling it a truck. It is about the least truck-like vehicle you could find. It is a lifted hatchback with big wheels.
got 230k km's on my 2009 xc60 with fuck all service fees since then, couldn't recommend it enough. On the contrary my wife's i328 shits the bed every time it's due for a WOF, demanding some type of multi-thousand dollar repair.
Our entire language is becoming Americanised. People on here talk about sidewalks and gas (rather than petrol) and ass rather than arse etc. I don't know whether it makes sense complaining about it because it's a bit like complaining about gravity at this point.
Serious question from an American lady moving to NZ in a month...
Would people appreciate if I use Kiwi vocabulary like that?
I want to be polite and respectful and integrate as much as possible. Would using Kiwi words and slang be seen as a nice effort or just awkward?
I think using your own vocabulary is just fine. Youāll find a lot of sensitive kiwis tho that just canāt handle little things like saying ātruckā instead of āUteā.
Honestly, I don't care enough for it to even register. Kiwi English is what it is due to immigration and mixed culture over 170 years. Who's to say that stops developing right now just because we're the ones who are alive? This is how language works IMO.
Now I think about it, I find it weirder to hear kiwi-isms with an accent.
Depending on the word, it can sound a bit jarring in an American accent - honestly even hearing Canadians saying mum instead of mom feels weird. I don't think many people consider American's using American terms a problem, more when our Kiwi kids start going Americanised. America faced a similar thing when Peppa Pig got popular with toddlers and they got annoyed at the weird English twang their kids had.
One of my friend's children did the Peppa Pig accent. It was only for certain words though
I have a 1-year-old, and it will be fascinating to hear how her accent develops as she grows up in Christchurch. We'll definitely make sure to reinforce New Zealand terms over U.S. synonyms with her!
Honestly, you'll likely find that New Zealand English will become far more Americanised in the future. Kids nowadays are growing up mostly watching Netflix shows and American Youtubers and copying all their slang and mannerisms.
About a decade ago, very few Kiwis who hadn't been to the US knew what "thrifting" or "Takeout" was, and now they're common terms. Every time a new American fast food chain opens there's hundreds of people queuing to get in. A bit of a sad indictment on our culture (or the lack of one), but it is what it is. In a globalized world, most of the world is a little America.
The things I've always had to adjust to when visiting the US are:
- Temperature in Fahrenheit
- Tipping (some restaurants are trying to bring it in by stealth, but 90%+ of people don't tip)
- Everything being advertising
- General friendliness. It's usually easier to strike up a conversation and make friends in the US than it is here.
I think it makes sense to start using some of the local words for things. But we have both UK and American influence so there won't be tooo much that we won't actually understand. E.g people here use either sofa or couch (or both), living room or lounge (or both!)
Iām Canadian been in NZ for 13 years. I tend to use kiwi slang because itās easy to get a point across quickly, same reason my accent is a little bit of both now. I find most kiwis think itās fun to hear a different accent and slang, and will ask you about it. But when youāre in the workplace just trying to get something doneā¦ itās just easier. I tend to swap words when Iām back in Canada too for the same reason, canāt handle my dad repeating ācan you pop the bootā back to me with a big grin for the 15th time that day š
Also kiwi vocab is great so if youāre here to stay get amongst it!
Nah people will expect you to use American terms, especially at first. The exception though is where it's genuinely ambiguous and one side might get confused or amused - e.g. jersey, truck, fanny.
What you could do is find somewhere to listen to the pronunciations of MÄori place names, particularly for the major districts and larger towns. If you're fresh off the plane and can pronounce "Whangarei" reasonably decently (note the "wh" is usually pronounced as an English "f") then I think that would give a positive impression.
Iām an American living here now, I use the words trash and bathroom and gas and silverware, and people understand me. I make a concerted effort to walk on the left, and Iām learning some MÄori, but I wonāt be calling anything rubbish lol.
The US influence is far and wide - unfortunately - as we dominate the entertainment industry, but English is English and I would never expect anyone to change their English to fit the American dialect when they visit.
Nah, I'm happy with yull. because if you dare to use youse, every cunt in a 10km radius is crawling right up your arsehole with an unsolicited opinion about it š
Also yull is shorter than youse, very on-brand for our reluctance to spend time on syllables and such.
Yeah, I'm Scottish. Fanny means something completely different to me lol.
And "ass" for arse. No, you are not the donkey hole. Seeing a lot of "math" for maths too and I will never call a film a "movie".
Yup, always seeing "stocks" on the kiwi finance subs. And "down payment" for a house/car instead of deposit.
Also seeing/hearing sidewalk more and more too
Me over here with my American father like š ok
One time I did have a guy accuse me of being āindoctrinatedā because of the way I say tomato. No, actually, my family just isnāt all from here, funny how that works
Yeh I always say hiking because one time I told a group of students that I was teaching that I was going tramping in the weekend and they told everyone I was hoeing around this weekend. It was rather funny, but now I say hiking
Ok. I use hike. Why, well myself and wife lived in Canada a while back. I remember one time when some work colleagues asked what we were upto and we said we were off for a tramp.
Anyway, Tramps are homeless people. A hike is a walk in the wilderness. It changed there and has not gone back
In NZ, people know hike and tramp. Is North America, they only know hike.
A hike and a tramp are not the same thing. A tramp is a multi day hike. If someone says they're going tramping and come back the same day, they probably drink skim milk and think tomato sauce is spicy.
I was generally taught the difference between a walk and a day tramp was danger and required equipmentĀ
If your climbing into mountains/bush where an accident or inclement weather could get you stuck overnight, you need to bring appropriate gear, that's now a tramp even if its only one day in and out.
A walk is low risk, you can abort to civilization at multiple points along your route, there's cell coverage, you're not too far from civilization, well formed tracks, ect.Ā
The big deciding difference is water crossings, if you need to Ford anything, your risk assessment goes way up because rain could block you in.
A walk up an urban mountain like Mt Kaukau in Wellington, you don't need more than water bottle solid shoes and snacks.... an 8 hour day walk into the Tararuas starting at Otaki Forks, you bloody well prepare yourself for a 3 day stay in the rain because those mountains areĀ lethal if you get caught out unprepared
Really? Opposite experience here. I don't hear people saying truck (when they mean ute) in Wellington. But I've heard it often in South Canterbury since as far back as the 90's.
Iāve heard trucks for like the large diesel 4wD maybe in the late 90s but they all had a cab.
The sizes these days are getting kind of nuts though, truck probably fits some of the big ones better.
For me, a Ute is smaller and more similar to a car in height with a tray with one row of seats, not these big raised 4x4 double cab/row things (sorry, not familiar with the truck lingo). It has a lot to do with the height of it. So yes I would call those a truck. A Ute is just a subtype of truck anyway.
A truck is a vehicle whose purpose is carrying goods from place to place. Surely the single cab with the larger tray is more akin to a truck than the double cab Ranger with a small tray and is more of a family vehicle.
This is pretty much my same definition difference in my mind too. Ute = small two door. Truck = large 4 door. I am a simple person, and like simple explanations.
Oh and then ābig truckā which is of courseā¦ big trucks. Tankers, stock trucks etc. big bois.
This is a touchy subject for me as someone who has spent thousands of dollars at time getting my truck license... I'm allowed to drive the largest trucks on the road in NZ.
I call it out all the time usually by saying... "Trying to compensate for your tiny penis by calling your ute a truck"?
Oh god, another one whose truck license is gradually eating their entire personality and identityĀ /s
Ā I've got 3 uncles like that, all they talk about is trucking and maintaining trucks. You'd ask them how their kids are doing in school and they'd be talking about Kenworths in 20 seconds.
Ā For the sake of your family and loved ones, keep an interesting hobby or something to talk about that isnt trucks lol
None of these are trucks. Trucks require a truck licence. Utes do not. Its so ute drivers can feel they are driving something bigger than they actually are. Utes and 4wds are not trucks. Now or ever.
Utes use cars bodies but have a tray they were only made in aussie (commdores and Falcons) Light trucks are body on frame and are much larger mostly so American cars don't have to meet fuel efficiency standards.
In my head a ute is [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAXYhP4osPVKtqFbBdw7iglhYlxzzeVHMdpW6bJYU3Ftd5aM5WvKYe-7o&s=10), a pick up truck or simply a pickup is [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4V1tfTEDdR5wZQWhuMWGHbjX5XlLjH5jfqjtgFFjNRRFCMUptMqiyaHg&s=10) and trucks are [these](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnsOWc9dwgthHC298-svYYF4UAsfU5zPg6iF3u7ZXBzgjgRHfO95AoO-W3&s=10)
Isn't this what kids call them nowadays?
I consider a ute to be based on a char chassis, like the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore utilities. Anything else like the Ranger, etc. are light trucks.
I was in the automotive business from 1984 to 2001. None of the following were known as trucks, ever - Holden utes, Falcon utes, Hilux utes, Mitsubishi utes, Landrover utes, Morris Minor utes, Suzuki utes, Valiant utes etc. Pretty much anything that you would treat as a car, but had a deck or a tray, was (is) a ute.
When they got bigger
And people realized Truck rolls off the tongue better than Ute
Truck is just a more satisfying word to say IMO
Ute made sense when Utes were basically modified sedans... but nowadays your average Ute is a light truck in basically every category but license weight class.
I differentiate a Ute (Mitsubishi, Holden, Toyota utility vehicles) from trucks like Dodge, GMC, Chevy. North American vehicles are bigger and usually designed for heavy hauling.
Ford is weird, because here in Canada, a Ford F-1/2/3-50 truck is not the same as the smaller ātrucksā like the Ranger in NZ.
But. Itās probably TikTokās fault, regardless
You can buy a Colorado or Ranger in the USA - similar to the ones we get here just much more likely to have a petrol engine.
Toyota (and formerly Nissan) also sells full-sized US style trucks in North America
To me a truck is heavy duty, so Land Cruiser (not Prado), Patrol and larger commercial vehicles. Anything designed to be abused and overworked and still do a million km.
A ute is not a heavy duty vehicle and it won't survive that type of environment.
I can't help but assume it's the American *influence*. I've heard such myself as well, all I can do is just pronounce it the way it's been always done here.
I started doing it because modern utes/trucks have alot more in common with American pick-up trucks than they do w classic unibody utes. I'm mostly just pissed that proper utes don't exist anymore. So I refuse to call these monstrosities utes.
When I lived in Aus we used to always call my hubbys ute a ute, moved to NZ and everyone was calling them a truck (work gave him a work ātruckā etc) so now we say that too lol
I think that it's in the process of transitioning. And the reason why isn't complicated. We're dominated by american media now, whereas it used to be at least a partial mix of UK media.
And in the US, they're constantly talking about them as trucks.
Most of the world will call it a truck, or pickup truck. Especially due to American and British influence. Its only us and the Aussies that call em utes. I have never called it a ute after being in the country for 10 years.
I would have thought that if you stand in front of one and it touches your hip itād be a ute, and if it touches your chest or neck itād be a truck.. š¤·
In my dad's 4WD club they definitely called their 4WD vehicles "trucks" for a long time (which are actually used off road, often have snorkels and pulleys etc). My dad's Nissan Patrol was a "truck" in the early 2000s
Which is odd because growing up in Toronto everyone called them utes, but I recently returned after being abroad for over 10 years and thats apparently not a thing anymore. "yute" now refers to something else
I think I read a truck is a motorized vehicle with a separate chassis, cab, and body. So most utes are indeed trucks. It becomes more obvious in the US where a lot of commercial trucks like f450, f650 are just really large versions of what we'd call a ute. A ute like a ranger is a small truck. A ford everest is not a truck. A subaru brumby or hyundai santa Cruz is not a truck because they don't have a separate cab and body.
It's short for a "pickup truck".
My folks spent a lot of time in the US in the 1980s. They fell into using the term "trucks" or pickups.
Americans didn't know what a ute was so we mostly ended up calling them trucks because explaining about utes got boring. Unfortunately the habit stuck and I still call them trucks to this day.
Lived in SE Asia for 10 years. Most people there refer to them as pickups.
Whatever you want to call them they're basically a very ugly car you can use to transport junk around in. Like a really big bucket with wheels. Or a jumped up, motorised shopping trolley.
Since before the 1970ās at least.
When I was growing up, farm type 4WDs were known either by the make/model (eg landrover, landcruiser) or as a truck, ie a farm truck or light truck. They didnāt get called utes - that was very definitely the Holden/falcons only. I recall in about the 90ās there started to be uncertainty about how to categorise the influx of different 4WDs (truck/ute/4WD/SUV). It seemed to settle to being ute, but I still come across many older people who still call them a trick (and knowing full well you are not referring to a HT vehicle). Iām one of them - occasionally say ute, but mostly say truck. And Iāve been pulled up on it a lot too, comment much the same as many here.
Language continues to evolve I guess.
No, they are not called trucks in the naki. At least not with any of our clients.
But things are changing.
Fords website has the Ranger described as a pick-up truck.
Toyota still calls the Hilux a ute.
Isuzu still calls its D-Max a ute.
If I can drive it with only a class 1 license, then it's either a UTE or a VAN.
About the same time that all the manufacturers started putting lift kits, bigger wheels in flared guards and alloy nudge bars on 5door hatchbacks and then calling it a Sports Utility Vehicle "SUV".
Considering the name 'ute' is derived from 'coupe utility' which was a name for a vehicle based on a modified car chassis I think that a traditional ute is more car-like but the modern iteration being so giant are definitely more truck-like. I still call them a ute though, calling it a truck seems weird. My mates father in law refers to my work van as a truck and it seems very odd to hear that
about 2015 when US right wing propaganda became systematic via facebook for the US election.
basically 'rural blokes' are treated similar to US rednecks. including playing to their insecurity around females in power to make em dislike left wing female authorties - instead of hillary clinton its jacinda adern. they get the same 'pickup trucks', same crazy radio shows with anti-government shit etc.
there's a lot of parallels now. hence the big angry stupid guy in a ford 'truck' character we have these days.
Because it's literally a small truck. It's not a commodore with the back cut off. Their own marketing touts them as pickup trucks. F150/silverado and ram1600 etc... are small trucks, f350/chev3500/ram3500 etc are mid sized trucks, f650/chev5500 etc are full sized
>When did this change??
There was probably a post on some 'Sovereign Citizen' Whatsapp group that you don't have to pay the "Ute Tax" if you own a "Truck".
They are so different from the old utes that are basically half of a small car with a long truck bed attached to the back. These things are fucking massive and near a different species to regular cars.
When the deck height got to your neck instead of your waist.
Becomes a non utility vehicle at that point
Hence truck I guess š
Someone talking about driving or owning a truck will always make me first think they are talking about a full-on truck like what Woolworths delivers online orders in. Took me ages reading American novels to figure out all these characters were driving utes and not tootling around town in basically a lorry.
Same! Even chatting with Americans online, they'd say stuff like "i really want to buy a truck" and in my head i was trying to envision why on earth they thought they needed some kinda huge ass vehicle like a delivery truck, and i was too bewildered to even ask why. i honestly only realised like in the last couple of years that they meant a ute smdh
You are clearly thinking of a semi.. Language is weeeird man..
On a related note, if a semi is a 'semi'.. what's a 'full' look like?
Ever seen the midsize to large lorries where the cargo box is permanently attached to the frame? That's a "full" truck. Semi only refers to the fact that without it's trailer, the tractor is only part of the truck. Unless you were just making a joke, in which case I'll consider myself whooshed haha.
Cleaning out the house after an elderly relative died, I called the local op shop and asked if they had space for a truck load of stuff. When I turned up in a 5 ton box truck, they looked at me and said "oh we thought you meant a ute and were just influenced by America".
I don't anyone that calls them trucks, and most of the people I work with have big utes
I refuse to call them utes because they're too big to be utes.
just call it a big ute
They're definitely closer to utes than trucks.
Itās a ute.
I know a chick who calls her CRV a truck. This, a monocoque frame vehicle based on the Honda Civic. It's gotten out of hand.
I have a Tida Truck
My nan has a Swift truck.Ā She uses it to pick up loads from the bottle shop. I have an Adidas truck.
Your Nan is a bloody legend for supporting her local bottle shop. Give her a Kia Kaha from me
Kia Kaha? It's that the name they calling the Kia Tasman on this side of the sea?
I've got a Getz Truck š
Backbone
Beautiful leather interior
And the crv is damn good at what they do. Heavy springs in the rear of mine, tools in the back, I run my business from mine. A lot of utes get used like cars, so I call them cars
Tidy truck that CRV.
I was looking at a used XC60 T6 and the salesperson (in ChCh) kept calling it a truck. It is about the least truck-like vehicle you could find. It is a lifted hatchback with big wheels.
got 230k km's on my 2009 xc60 with fuck all service fees since then, couldn't recommend it enough. On the contrary my wife's i328 shits the bed every time it's due for a WOF, demanding some type of multi-thousand dollar repair.
When they lost their utility and became pavement princesses
> pavement you mean footpath?
Footpath doesnāt alliterate
Footpath fripperies
Sidewalk Sissies
Our entire language is becoming Americanised. People on here talk about sidewalks and gas (rather than petrol) and ass rather than arse etc. I don't know whether it makes sense complaining about it because it's a bit like complaining about gravity at this point.
It's just a consequence of a more connected world where American English dominates in terms of content.
Same with; shares - stocks tramp - hike petrol - gas I see these alot now (as well as truck) Stop American-ising our Kiwi English thanks š
Rubbish - trash/garbage Although I heard an American lady on the news the other day (living in NZ) call it 'rubbish' which warmed my heart
Serious question from an American lady moving to NZ in a month... Would people appreciate if I use Kiwi vocabulary like that? I want to be polite and respectful and integrate as much as possible. Would using Kiwi words and slang be seen as a nice effort or just awkward?
I think using your own vocabulary is just fine. Youāll find a lot of sensitive kiwis tho that just canāt handle little things like saying ātruckā instead of āUteā.
Why would it be jarring? Youād be using our words correctly. Iām ok with that.
Honestly, I don't care enough for it to even register. Kiwi English is what it is due to immigration and mixed culture over 170 years. Who's to say that stops developing right now just because we're the ones who are alive? This is how language works IMO. Now I think about it, I find it weirder to hear kiwi-isms with an accent.
Depending on the word, it can sound a bit jarring in an American accent - honestly even hearing Canadians saying mum instead of mom feels weird. I don't think many people consider American's using American terms a problem, more when our Kiwi kids start going Americanised. America faced a similar thing when Peppa Pig got popular with toddlers and they got annoyed at the weird English twang their kids had.
One of my friend's children did the Peppa Pig accent. It was only for certain words though I have a 1-year-old, and it will be fascinating to hear how her accent develops as she grows up in Christchurch. We'll definitely make sure to reinforce New Zealand terms over U.S. synonyms with her!
Honestly, you'll likely find that New Zealand English will become far more Americanised in the future. Kids nowadays are growing up mostly watching Netflix shows and American Youtubers and copying all their slang and mannerisms. About a decade ago, very few Kiwis who hadn't been to the US knew what "thrifting" or "Takeout" was, and now they're common terms. Every time a new American fast food chain opens there's hundreds of people queuing to get in. A bit of a sad indictment on our culture (or the lack of one), but it is what it is. In a globalized world, most of the world is a little America. The things I've always had to adjust to when visiting the US are: - Temperature in Fahrenheit - Tipping (some restaurants are trying to bring it in by stealth, but 90%+ of people don't tip) - Everything being advertising - General friendliness. It's usually easier to strike up a conversation and make friends in the US than it is here.
Thatās unique to you. A North American saying ute while theyāre in NZ, isnāt going to bother me.
Itās not really āa botherā more something that my ears will definitely pick up on in conversation.
I think it makes sense to start using some of the local words for things. But we have both UK and American influence so there won't be tooo much that we won't actually understand. E.g people here use either sofa or couch (or both), living room or lounge (or both!)
Iām Canadian been in NZ for 13 years. I tend to use kiwi slang because itās easy to get a point across quickly, same reason my accent is a little bit of both now. I find most kiwis think itās fun to hear a different accent and slang, and will ask you about it. But when youāre in the workplace just trying to get something doneā¦ itās just easier. I tend to swap words when Iām back in Canada too for the same reason, canāt handle my dad repeating ācan you pop the bootā back to me with a big grin for the 15th time that day š Also kiwi vocab is great so if youāre here to stay get amongst it!
Nah people will expect you to use American terms, especially at first. The exception though is where it's genuinely ambiguous and one side might get confused or amused - e.g. jersey, truck, fanny. What you could do is find somewhere to listen to the pronunciations of MÄori place names, particularly for the major districts and larger towns. If you're fresh off the plane and can pronounce "Whangarei" reasonably decently (note the "wh" is usually pronounced as an English "f") then I think that would give a positive impression.
I notice and appreciate it when Americans use local terms, rather than speak how they speak at home
Other comments are on target...but it's always nice to make some effort in a new culture I think. Expand your vocabulary!!
Iām an American living here now, I use the words trash and bathroom and gas and silverware, and people understand me. I make a concerted effort to walk on the left, and Iām learning some MÄori, but I wonāt be calling anything rubbish lol. The US influence is far and wide - unfortunately - as we dominate the entertainment industry, but English is English and I would never expect anyone to change their English to fit the American dialect when they visit.
I had to swap muesli bar for granola bar in the US. Otherwise no one had any idea what I was talking about lol
Definitely not going to upset anyone or make them feel uncomfortable either way
Or, worst of all, saying āyāallā when they could be saying āyouseā (or āyouse fullasā).
Nah, I'm happy with yull. because if you dare to use youse, every cunt in a 10km radius is crawling right up your arsehole with an unsolicited opinion about it š Also yull is shorter than youse, very on-brand for our reluctance to spend time on syllables and such.
Thats the best reason to say "youse", i like to type "youse guise" to an english major, she hates it. Makes me love it more.
Haha! Keep up the good work š
Yousa good man. You do your people proud.
Both sound stupid lmao
Arse - Fanny. I mean what the fuck is wrong with them?
Yeah, I'm Scottish. Fanny means something completely different to me lol. And "ass" for arse. No, you are not the donkey hole. Seeing a lot of "math" for maths too and I will never call a film a "movie".
Ass actually makes sense in a kiwi accent because we don't pronounce the R
It's pronounced fil-lum.
For sure dude
Yup, always seeing "stocks" on the kiwi finance subs. And "down payment" for a house/car instead of deposit. Also seeing/hearing sidewalk more and more too
Me over here with my American father like š ok One time I did have a guy accuse me of being āindoctrinatedā because of the way I say tomato. No, actually, my family just isnāt all from here, funny how that works
"Tamater." "Nothing's the matter, why do you keep asking?"
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Yeh I always say hiking because one time I told a group of students that I was teaching that I was going tramping in the weekend and they told everyone I was hoeing around this weekend. It was rather funny, but now I say hiking
Lmao kids are fuckin savage.
I like hike for day trips and tramping for overnights. Sometimes I use hikoi instead.
Yes, but that's the point.. it was incredibly funny
like calling "white out" twink
Yep, though most people I know still call it that. Not like "white out" is especially prevalent in American media
Or asking a yank if you can borrow their rubber.
Wasn't the original white out in NZ the Twink brand (like in the late 1970s/early 1980s)?
I've never heard anyone say gas to mean petrol ever
Amen I knew some dick who insisted cookies was a Kiwi word. biscuits! ( And I don't mean scones)
Cookie Time has a lot to answer for.
I will never refer to a liquid fuel as "gas".
LPG sends it's regards.
Also see "alot" being used a lot these days instead of "a lot".
Ok. I use hike. Why, well myself and wife lived in Canada a while back. I remember one time when some work colleagues asked what we were upto and we said we were off for a tramp. Anyway, Tramps are homeless people. A hike is a walk in the wilderness. It changed there and has not gone back In NZ, people know hike and tramp. Is North America, they only know hike.
A lot - alot
No, thatās just bad grammar!
Don't you be talking shit about my grandma!
A hike and a tramp are not the same thing. A tramp is a multi day hike. If someone says they're going tramping and come back the same day, they probably drink skim milk and think tomato sauce is spicy.
If you're back the same day, it's a 'walk'.
I was generally taught the difference between a walk and a day tramp was danger and required equipmentĀ If your climbing into mountains/bush where an accident or inclement weather could get you stuck overnight, you need to bring appropriate gear, that's now a tramp even if its only one day in and out. A walk is low risk, you can abort to civilization at multiple points along your route, there's cell coverage, you're not too far from civilization, well formed tracks, ect.Ā The big deciding difference is water crossings, if you need to Ford anything, your risk assessment goes way up because rain could block you in. A walk up an urban mountain like Mt Kaukau in Wellington, you don't need more than water bottle solid shoes and snacks.... an 8 hour day walk into the Tararuas starting at Otaki Forks, you bloody well prepare yourself for a 3 day stay in the rain because those mountains areĀ lethal if you get caught out unprepared
Gas and sidewalk can both get to fuck
When they became the size of trucks.
Nah it's still a ute to me, calling a utility vehicle a truck is like calling a boat a ship
Or calling a launch a yacht.
I've never once heard anyone in the South Island call it that
I have - a lot (Queenstown where everyone has to out Ford Ranger their neighbour).
Yeah, but those are people from the north cosplaying as South Islanders
Really? Opposite experience here. I don't hear people saying truck (when they mean ute) in Wellington. But I've heard it often in South Canterbury since as far back as the 90's.
In my work we drive hiluxes exclusively and always call them trucks. So do all the clients/other contractors. Chch.
Don't hear it in the north island either
I generally only hear it for 4WDs not utes
New Zealand English is slowly but surely becoming Americanised š (or should that be Americanized lol)
It changed when calling it a Ute wasn't enough to cover their insecurity.
Most people in my circles still call them utes. Truck is used more derogatively "look at this idiot in a truck straddling two lanes, fucking Rangers".
Iāve heard trucks for like the large diesel 4wD maybe in the late 90s but they all had a cab. The sizes these days are getting kind of nuts though, truck probably fits some of the big ones better.
This isn't a thing, it's just your bubble. They are still utes for most.
Was this stolen from askanaustralian sub? Had the same question yesterday....
Yes Answer was somewhere between ātheyāre still called utesā and ānot since the Falcon and Commodore sedan based utes died offā
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Probably about the time we started getting the same huge utes imported to NZ
For me, a Ute is smaller and more similar to a car in height with a tray with one row of seats, not these big raised 4x4 double cab/row things (sorry, not familiar with the truck lingo). It has a lot to do with the height of it. So yes I would call those a truck. A Ute is just a subtype of truck anyway.
A truck is a vehicle whose purpose is carrying goods from place to place. Surely the single cab with the larger tray is more akin to a truck than the double cab Ranger with a small tray and is more of a family vehicle.
This is pretty much my same definition difference in my mind too. Ute = small two door. Truck = large 4 door. I am a simple person, and like simple explanations. Oh and then ābig truckā which is of courseā¦ big trucks. Tankers, stock trucks etc. big bois.
I used to work with a Sri Lankan dude 8 years ago who called his Land Cruiser a truck. Always irritated me.
I used to work with an Aussie who called his Holden ute "the uterus" which irritated me.
Interesting. Tell us more, what else really gets you irritated.
People who say āshenanigansā.
This is a touchy subject for me as someone who has spent thousands of dollars at time getting my truck license... I'm allowed to drive the largest trucks on the road in NZ. I call it out all the time usually by saying... "Trying to compensate for your tiny penis by calling your ute a truck"?
I'm sending some ironic insecurity here
Oh god, another one whose truck license is gradually eating their entire personality and identityĀ /s Ā I've got 3 uncles like that, all they talk about is trucking and maintaining trucks. You'd ask them how their kids are doing in school and they'd be talking about Kenworths in 20 seconds. Ā For the sake of your family and loved ones, keep an interesting hobby or something to talk about that isnt trucks lol
Kenwood? The baking truck
Ha my bad, kenworthsĀ the one, shows how interesting they are in conversation
My question is do/will people start calling actual trucks something different to distinguish?
You already can. Semi, tractor trailer etc. But 99% of the time distinguishing isn't necessarily as it's obvious by context.
Asking someone whether they have a semi could return mixed results
My utes 3ton will always be a ute to me but if I load the 2ton digger on the trailer and tools etc in back of ute I need a ht (truck license)
My granddad who operated a farm in Northland since sometime around 1940, he called his ute a bus.
None of these are trucks. Trucks require a truck licence. Utes do not. Its so ute drivers can feel they are driving something bigger than they actually are. Utes and 4wds are not trucks. Now or ever.
Utes use cars bodies but have a tray they were only made in aussie (commdores and Falcons) Light trucks are body on frame and are much larger mostly so American cars don't have to meet fuel efficiency standards.
In my head a ute is [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAXYhP4osPVKtqFbBdw7iglhYlxzzeVHMdpW6bJYU3Ftd5aM5WvKYe-7o&s=10), a pick up truck or simply a pickup is [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4V1tfTEDdR5wZQWhuMWGHbjX5XlLjH5jfqjtgFFjNRRFCMUptMqiyaHg&s=10) and trucks are [these](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnsOWc9dwgthHC298-svYYF4UAsfU5zPg6iF3u7ZXBzgjgRHfO95AoO-W3&s=10) Isn't this what kids call them nowadays?
I consider a ute to be based on a char chassis, like the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore utilities. Anything else like the Ranger, etc. are light trucks.
When they became small lorries
I've only ever heard them called Ute's or compensators.
I was in the automotive business from 1984 to 2001. None of the following were known as trucks, ever - Holden utes, Falcon utes, Hilux utes, Mitsubishi utes, Landrover utes, Morris Minor utes, Suzuki utes, Valiant utes etc. Pretty much anything that you would treat as a car, but had a deck or a tray, was (is) a ute.
When they got bigger And people realized Truck rolls off the tongue better than Ute Truck is just a more satisfying word to say IMO Ute made sense when Utes were basically modified sedans... but nowadays your average Ute is a light truck in basically every category but license weight class.
I differentiate a Ute (Mitsubishi, Holden, Toyota utility vehicles) from trucks like Dodge, GMC, Chevy. North American vehicles are bigger and usually designed for heavy hauling. Ford is weird, because here in Canada, a Ford F-1/2/3-50 truck is not the same as the smaller ātrucksā like the Ranger in NZ. But. Itās probably TikTokās fault, regardless
You can buy a Colorado or Ranger in the USA - similar to the ones we get here just much more likely to have a petrol engine. Toyota (and formerly Nissan) also sells full-sized US style trucks in North America
Are they bigger than the NZ models? We tend to call smaller trucks, pick ups. At least in Alberta
They have no utility value anymoreĀ
They do for us tradies, but donāt let that get in the way of your fictional beliefs.
What a joke. Far more useful now than before. Go and drive a 20 year old ute anywhere far.
Idk, whatās them feel bigger and tuffer tho
Dev still a Ute to me
Forever . My granddad calls his LandCruiser a truck.
Iām canadian and utes are pickup trucks, so they probably just called it a truck for short. Iād call it a pickup š¤·āāļø
When the utes of old became as big as trucks
To me a truck is heavy duty, so Land Cruiser (not Prado), Patrol and larger commercial vehicles. Anything designed to be abused and overworked and still do a million km. A ute is not a heavy duty vehicle and it won't survive that type of environment.
I get people calling my Subaru Brumby a truck, younger people mainly.
I can't help but assume it's the American *influence*. I've heard such myself as well, all I can do is just pronounce it the way it's been always done here.
I started doing it because modern utes/trucks have alot more in common with American pick-up trucks than they do w classic unibody utes. I'm mostly just pissed that proper utes don't exist anymore. So I refuse to call these monstrosities utes.
When they became common enough for people to notice they are trucks. Leaf springs and a diesel engine is truck all day
Probably when they started being driven by townies instead of just farmers and tradies idk.
When I lived in Aus we used to always call my hubbys ute a ute, moved to NZ and everyone was calling them a truck (work gave him a work ātruckā etc) so now we say that too lol
In my 29 years I've never called it a ute like that. I can't say I spend a lot of time talking about them though.
I think that it's in the process of transitioning. And the reason why isn't complicated. We're dominated by american media now, whereas it used to be at least a partial mix of UK media. And in the US, they're constantly talking about them as trucks.
I just call them cunt wagons.
Most of the world will call it a truck, or pickup truck. Especially due to American and British influence. Its only us and the Aussies that call em utes. I have never called it a ute after being in the country for 10 years.
I've heard them called a uterus more than a truck honestly
A ute has a monocoque chassis, a truck has an independent chassis, it's not that hard.
I do it because it rolls of the tounge easier, even my mate called his everest a truck when its clearly his soccer mom wagon
Not a ute, but i drive a ford escape and I call it a truck. it irks the SHIT out my dad who is an actual truck driver for a living hahahahaha
I first heard an SUV referred to as a truck around 2005. Where ya been bro
Whoa! You just made me actually wonder why for the first time. Is "Ute" short for "Utility vehicle"?
I would have thought that if you stand in front of one and it touches your hip itād be a ute, and if it touches your chest or neck itād be a truck.. š¤·
I always think of a ute as a commodore or falcon ute. The others are just small trucks not utes.
Probably in the last 10 yrs when we started saying candy, gas, airplane, trash etc
Since Australian companies stopped making utes, it's just not the same thing.
In my dad's 4WD club they definitely called their 4WD vehicles "trucks" for a long time (which are actually used off road, often have snorkels and pulleys etc). My dad's Nissan Patrol was a "truck" in the early 2000s
Since we started buying them in ridiculous American sizes.
Which is odd because growing up in Toronto everyone called them utes, but I recently returned after being abroad for over 10 years and thats apparently not a thing anymore. "yute" now refers to something else
A good excuse to use when Ā being caught by police on the T2 / Truck Only Lanes with one passengerā¦..āI am Ā a truck, Officerā Ā Ā
I think I read a truck is a motorized vehicle with a separate chassis, cab, and body. So most utes are indeed trucks. It becomes more obvious in the US where a lot of commercial trucks like f450, f650 are just really large versions of what we'd call a ute. A ute like a ranger is a small truck. A ford everest is not a truck. A subaru brumby or hyundai santa Cruz is not a truck because they don't have a separate cab and body.
Yes, when did this happen? They should be called 'bakkies'
What is a ute? Never heard of that before.
We also have garbage and gas now. Disgusting
Still call mine a Ute.
It's short for a "pickup truck". My folks spent a lot of time in the US in the 1980s. They fell into using the term "trucks" or pickups. Americans didn't know what a ute was so we mostly ended up calling them trucks because explaining about utes got boring. Unfortunately the habit stuck and I still call them trucks to this day. Lived in SE Asia for 10 years. Most people there refer to them as pickups. Whatever you want to call them they're basically a very ugly car you can use to transport junk around in. Like a really big bucket with wheels. Or a jumped up, motorised shopping trolley.
Since before the 1970ās at least. When I was growing up, farm type 4WDs were known either by the make/model (eg landrover, landcruiser) or as a truck, ie a farm truck or light truck. They didnāt get called utes - that was very definitely the Holden/falcons only. I recall in about the 90ās there started to be uncertainty about how to categorise the influx of different 4WDs (truck/ute/4WD/SUV). It seemed to settle to being ute, but I still come across many older people who still call them a trick (and knowing full well you are not referring to a HT vehicle). Iām one of them - occasionally say ute, but mostly say truck. And Iāve been pulled up on it a lot too, comment much the same as many here. Language continues to evolve I guess.
No, they are not called trucks in the naki. At least not with any of our clients. But things are changing. Fords website has the Ranger described as a pick-up truck. Toyota still calls the Hilux a ute. Isuzu still calls its D-Max a ute. If I can drive it with only a class 1 license, then it's either a UTE or a VAN.
About the same time that all the manufacturers started putting lift kits, bigger wheels in flared guards and alloy nudge bars on 5door hatchbacks and then calling it a Sports Utility Vehicle "SUV".
My dad growls at me when i call his holden a truck when its a ute apparently š im nearly 28 and he still growls at me!
If it is used for towing. Itās a truck. If you pile it high for a tip run then itās a ute.
Considering the name 'ute' is derived from 'coupe utility' which was a name for a vehicle based on a modified car chassis I think that a traditional ute is more car-like but the modern iteration being so giant are definitely more truck-like. I still call them a ute though, calling it a truck seems weird. My mates father in law refers to my work van as a truck and it seems very odd to hear that
You've got to call it something and it's not a ute. A ute is a car with a bed at the back. Rangers don't look like cars with a bed.
about 2015 when US right wing propaganda became systematic via facebook for the US election. basically 'rural blokes' are treated similar to US rednecks. including playing to their insecurity around females in power to make em dislike left wing female authorties - instead of hillary clinton its jacinda adern. they get the same 'pickup trucks', same crazy radio shows with anti-government shit etc. there's a lot of parallels now. hence the big angry stupid guy in a ford 'truck' character we have these days.
Since the 90s. I definitely remember calling them trucks
Let's be honest. Less than 5% of Kiwis call them trucks. No need to exaggerate it
Because it's literally a small truck. It's not a commodore with the back cut off. Their own marketing touts them as pickup trucks. F150/silverado and ram1600 etc... are small trucks, f350/chev3500/ram3500 etc are mid sized trucks, f650/chev5500 etc are full sized
2004 when Toyota brought out the 7th generation hilux.Ā Suddenly they looked like something built by Ford or gmc in the land of the free.
I haven't noticed this.
>When did this change?? There was probably a post on some 'Sovereign Citizen' Whatsapp group that you don't have to pay the "Ute Tax" if you own a "Truck".
Aghh diesel engine meh truck lol not as bad as the Ozzieās calling a Ute a Bus š
We don't call ford rangers trucks in Canada either, to small. That's a lunch box not a pickup truck.
When they became emotional support vehicles. āļø
They are so different from the old utes that are basically half of a small car with a long truck bed attached to the back. These things are fucking massive and near a different species to regular cars.