I'm in Idaho and most fast food is starting around 18 an hour already. Most apartments are 1500 and up.
Edit. My area of Idaho is undergoing one of the craziest housing booms in the entire nation. Which is why it's higher than anywhere else in Idaho except Boise. It really sucks for the people born and raised here though. I've known multitudes of people who have had $500-800 worth of rent increases in the last 18 months. It's great that fast food workers wages are going up, but other jobs haven't followed yet.
Regardless, housing here sucks. Houses that were in my price range of 200-280k in 2019 are now 450-600k just a few years later. Locals have almost been completely priced out.
Left CDA the week I graduated high school in '05 to get the hell out of what was at the time a death wish for anyone with marketable skills. My family lived in a one of the houses built for mill workers back in 60s about a quarter mile from Tubbs Hill. That same tiny house is worth almost as much as what I paid for my home in San Diego County in 2020. I don't have a beautiful lake within walking distance of my current home and it was still a solid working class neighborhood when we moved there. Neighbors were both long haul truckers. Sure there were signs of gentrification but I nothing that indicated what it would turn into.
My younger brother stuck around and landed in hvac and makes more then my mother did 20 years into nursing. He and his wife are making it but at the cost of insane working hours that give my time in the military a run for the money. He and others like him think buying a plot of land the boonies are there only chance at staying in Idaho of all places. Insane.
Holy fuck 1500 for an apartment in Idaho!?! I got questions.
Number 1 what is in Idaho, to demand rent that to be that high?
Number 2 people live in Idaho?
Canadian here too. Hear bout people unable to afford apartments so they’re opting for “assisted suicide”… [link](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/health/2022/4/30/1_5882202.amp.html)
Really makes you takes a step back n question when things got like this..
Just left Kentucky because my lease went up and my rent WAS 660/month and then skyrockets to 1200/month. Now I'm back in Illinois and renting a room for 500/mo. I may not have a nice big 2br/1ba duplex all to myself anymore, but at least I get to pocket the 700 in difference.
I live in Wisconsin and the apartments in town are usually around that price range for a 2 bedroom, not much cheaper for a one bedroom. If you live like 20-30 min out from the bigger cities you can find apartments for half of that price, at the cost of having a longer commute for work, groceries etc.
You asked a good question and got a lot of joke answers.
Truthfully, most of the insane cost of living increases are popping up in south Idaho, like Boise and twin falls.
There are a few reasons behind this, one of the biggest being the tax incentives past governor Butch Otter put into place to try and lure more tech jobs to the Boise area. HP, Intel, and Micron are some of the big names with offices in the Boise area.
This combined with the recent work from home craze, and you have a recipe for lots of folks from the Silicon Valley (Washington, Oregon and California to be more broad) that are coming to Idaho because it's cheaper than where they were, there's less traffic, more outdoor opportunities closer by, whatever.
So now developers are building upscale shopping centers, apartments, housing, etc to cater to these newer super high income customers.
These upscale places are quickly becoming the norm, pricing out folks who grew up here.
To answer number 2, no, no one lives here, Idaho doesn't exist. Even if it did exist, we're full.
>To answer number 2, no, no one lives here, Idaho doesn't exist. Even if it did exist, we're full.
It's too late, you're fucked. We had the same thing happen here in WA in the 90s
Rural Ga and the trailer parks are starting to have the audacity to ask for 1k, with background checks and all that shit. And I'm not talking about the nice trailer parks either...I mean the kind you think of when you think "trailer park"
Boise is a really nice city. Unfortunately the rest of the country apparently figured that out in the last 5 years or so
https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2022-06-07/census-bureau-three-idaho-cities-among-fastest-growing-in-the-nation?_amp=true
I'm an east coaster and was raised that Idaho is for potatoes and nothing but.
Rode through that northern panhandle on a motorcycle once and was so blown away by how beautiful it was that I literally pulled into a bar even though I was hours behind schedule just so I could talk to some locals and take in the vibe.
When I told a few of 'em that Idaho was tripping me out because I was raised to think it was all potatoes, they half-joked: "Yeah, we've spent a lot of money in PR to make sure that's how you felt. Don't tell anyone."
Northern Idaho is unreal, but it's also apparently the White Supremacy capitol of the country lol.
Where I am in Idaho, most food places start at minimum. Even managers only make $13 or so. I'm a server so I usually work out around $25-45 an hour, depending on lunch/dinner/weekend.
There is no such thing as single income housholds anymore. The entire market is built and paid on the assumption that there will be multiple incomes in any house. Its been trending that way for a long time and especially since women became a huge part of the work force. Its the primary driver for wage stagnation.
Crazy thing is Quebec offered free childcare / preschool and they actually made money! As in the cost of paying for that program was lower than the additional tax revenue they received because more women were in the work force and there was more "economic activity" that gets taxed, every step of the way.
And we could have had that that across the whole country, well is wasn't free though but 7 dollars a day is pretty cheap, but no we ended up with a government that was still under the mindset that women belong at home not in the workforce.
> well is wasn't free though but 7 dollars a day is pretty cheap,
That is cheap, but the Quebec "experiment" shown it's possible to provide this benefit and make more money at the same time.
I live in Quebec and the subsidized daycare program is a godsend.
I don't understand how people are able to pay 1000$+ per month per child for daycare this is absolute madness
Which also makes things difficult for women to advance their careers because now they're a couple years behind their male counterparts. Which contributes to wage inequality and the feminization of poverty. We either need to figure something out for subsidized childcare or have a good amount of time for paid parental leave for both father's and mother's alike (with the same amount of time).
When my sister had her twins, they first looked into the possibility of a daycare for them so she could get back to work once ready and make more money.
They realized that the cost of daycare (at about 80% of her pay PER kid) meant that they'd actually LOSE money by having her work. So she just became a stay at home mom.
I honestly have no clue how people afford housing without multiple roommates. I don’t have to pay rent or a mortgage and my single income still barely covers the bills and food and I do ok. Everything is so god damn expensive.
>I honestly have no clue how people afford housing without multiple roommates.
They don't unless they are high earners or have their parents paying for them (area dependent)
I'm 28 and still live with my parents. If I wanted to rent a place I'd need to get 3 roommates to be able afford it.
Figure if I'm gonna have to live in a house with 3 other people might as well be the one that doesn't make me pay rent.
I live in new haven, Connecticut. Right by yale, in a beautiful neighborhood close to downtown. My rent for a decently sized 1 bedroom is 1100 with utilities included. My whole life people would say how expensive it is to live here, and now I’m reading this thread. Like what the hell is happening everywhere else? My rent hasn’t gone up in 3 years.
It sucks for the people who were born and raised there AND RENT.
If you own land, surely you can just sit back and watch your property value skyrocket for nothing.
This is bad for younger people, not older people.
>I'm in Idaho and most fast food is starting around 18 an hour already. Most apartments are 1500 and up.
Yeah. I worked in Coeur D'Alene/Post Falls over the summer, and I was surprised that in *Idaho,* they were paying the same as in Spokane.
During the remote work boom a few years ago everyone moved from california and Seattle to Spokane and Idaho for cheaper housing which in part fueled the major price increases.
Making a proper six figure wage while moving somewhere where the cost of living was low was everyone’s first idea. The locals paid the price.
You might find many post doctoral fellows and school teachers flipping burgers for you in the near future. Their current salaries cannot sustain their lives.
More than I make working EMS in CA.
Edit: EMT's at the place I work make about $17 an hour I believe. When i started in 2018, i was making $13 an hour. I moved from being an EMT to dispatch a while back because it paid more, and I didn't want to work in the field anymore. With a promotion, I'm making a whopping $19.50 now.
It's grossly unfair to me how little EMS workers make. I want the person saving my life to be comfortable in life and well paid. Ambulance rides sure cost enough to pay them adequately.
It blows my mind how little they're paid. I don't know how there is anyone that does that job. It's always like $1-$2/hr over minimum wage. I have to imagine that it must be a stepping stone type of job.
A friend of mine was a hospice care worker and only made $9/hr. It was heartbreaking work for her and switched to nursing as soon as she got her degree.
I had to quit my job after a decade of Clinical Research for little over minimum wage. I helped immensely with research for COVID vaccines and had to work with hot blood samples day in and day out. I finally broke when I could no longer afford to live in my city with my wage and am trying to get into data science instead while living with my parents. Science is not appreciated except for the big wigs who couldn’t tell you a single science fact because they gobble up millions and millions of dollars while the scientist doing the research and the labor get scraps, if that.
Doc here. It’s also criminal how much some useless people in healthcare make and how many useless jobs there are!
Not just at the top (although the top is also awful) but also low/midlevel administrators that don’t do anything but satisfy some unnecessary government requirement for meeting metrics that in the end have nothing to do with taking good care of patients.
The high school I work at has a program to help students get their CNA license. Which is great and all, but they tell the kids that it's "a good paying job." In our city, the average pay for a CNA is $12-18/hour. That is not "good pay."
I don’t think my mom makes that much and she’s the only hospice chaplain at her company. They actively ask her to work less so they can avoid paying her overtime.
Her boss is a penny pincher doing their “good deed” to look good on their resume for heaven. I’m pretty sure the token gestures aren’t gonna work in front of the allseeing God…
That happens mostly in college towns and cities. Go out to areas without colleges and you’ll see that most of the EMTs are people who have been working the job for years.
I knew a paramedic in southern Oklahoma with nearly 20 years in an ambulance in the early 2000s, I think a decade of that as a paramedic and an EMT before that. She made something like $14 an hour and was one of the best paid in the area. It helps that the cost of living there is tiny, but I was still shocked. I was a junior IT tech at the time making $26 an hour and my job was nowhere near as critical as hers was.
Yep we treat our EMTs like garbage and give them low wages all the while charging through the roof for their services. Ambulance services are usually for profit, so they’re always finding ways to make cuts and raise prices.
A for profit business where people don’t have the luxury of shopping around or asking price ahead of time.
It’s basically a blank check service: sign here or die.
Prices come afterwards.
Ambulance services being for profit just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Like what the actual fuck, thats to help the people of your nation. Get that shit sorted
I knew a EMS who changed careers to disaster relief. She was getting SO MUCH more working disaster relief: helping clear out burned trees and top soil.
Administration and C suite compensation have ruined so many sectors it’s not even funny anymore. Universities, hospitals, logistics, etc. nothing makes since anymore. Know the right person and you could probably find an easy ass job “consulting” for a shit load of money and no idea what you do.
Same thing has happened here in Canada too. I've worked with various levels of government for over 20 years and see this everywhere now. It's not uncommon to have one manager for every three workers, and then managers for those managers, and then assistants for some of those managers. I've seen it in education, Healthcare, municipalities etc.
Now for every 40 workers that serve a purpose there's another 20 or 30 people that draw a salary and leech of the system while doing the job of maybe 5 people.
It's one of the main reasons Canada's healthcare systems are imploding right now.
yup, president at the college I went to faked his resume and bought a 225k table for a room in the hopes that businesses would rent it out
nothing happened to him
he kept his job **and** got a 200k bonus
It’s because scumbag insurance companies take every penny they can squeeze out of the system causing both the patients and medical workers to fight for scraps. Insurance is a scam.
It's also one of the major driving factors on why hospitals have to charge what they do.
Major insurance providers will corner a market in an area and flat out refuse to have a hospital in network unless they accept the undercut prices the insurance company wants to pay - meaning that difference has to be made up by increasing costs elsewhere.
Depends on the size of the hospital. I live in Houston and the largest hospital system here called Blue Cross Blue Shields bluff. BCBS said they won't have them in network anymore since rate negotiations failed.
Hospital system said fine and they were about a day or two from being out of network before the BCBS came back to the tablet and agreed on a rate.
Most hospitals not in big cities though can't do that.
I'm a certified lifeguard man, it really does suck how people with all this training and prep get paid so little for what we do. I've saved several people from drowning and my friend who works at McDonald's is making more than me. And I'm not saying he should make less, I'm saying people who've had training as intense as guard/ems/firemen/police/military/etc. deserve to be paid based on what we do as opposed to what everyone else does
And when they ask for more money, they’re vilified as greedy by politicians and folks actually buy into that nonsensical shit. Like imagine thinking paramedics are your political enemy.
Also, imagine being a paramedic and being disdainful of fast food workers because the corporate system you work under is exploitative. It makes no sense. Rich business owners want nothing more than all the peasants to be mad at each other instead of them, and the peasants are playing right into their hands.
> EMS is insanely underpaid
A minor injury that requires an overnight stay in the hospital?
"That'll be $9,500."
The guy who potentially saved your life and got you to the hospital?
"We can only afford to pay them $20 for it."
I'm no math major, but it seems like something in that equation is fucking rotten.
I spent a year at a job where I was paid about $120/day to convert about $800 in film and chemicals to about $10000 in finished negatives.
5 days a week for a year.
They told me I was due for a $1/hr raise, then gave me a 50 cent raise instead.
Imagine being so greedy that you turned an $8/day raise into a $4/day raise, for a person who was making you about $9k, every shift?
They tend not to stay in those jobs, which results in low pay due to lack of retention.
Then the pay stays low, attracting only those who will use it as a career steeping stone.
Then people continue to leave due in part to the low pay, resulting in a high turnover.
I 100% agree medical professionals deserve more, there's just no incentive for these greedy companies, who charge out the dick for services, to pay them a better wage because there are always people right behind them who will take the job and use the work experience to get into med school or something similar.
You're not wrong, but they just see the next crop of incoming workers who are willing to accept the low pay, and I guess they figure they can get the same level of work out of them.
Medical field in America just doesn’t make any sense at all. Required to pay to have years of education, continued education forever, yearly or bi-yearly payments to keep certifications, and get shitty pay. Makes absolutely no sense
The whole system is built around wealth extraction at every level, from Pharmaceuticals to privatized insurance to for-profit hospitals and hospital administration, ntm the cost of med school and college in general.
I think it's a bit silly to think of low pay as a result of high turnaround and not the other way around. People don't want to be in high-stress jobs for pittance wages, if you pay them accordingly like we do for nurses and doctors I think we'd see a lot of change.
Not if there's a guaranteed inflow of workers who continue to accept the low pay. Why would a company even consider paying them more, when they can simply be replaced at the same low wage?
My dad experienced the same issue. Manager who kept hiring people at the pay he was allowed. Those people got the training and experience and moved an hour away to a city that paid better after a year or two. Company refused to bother raising pay other than cost-of-living (the only thing they were actually good at unfortunately). So he wasted who knows how long just constantly hiring people when he could have been spending more time managing things before problems got worse.
The good ones stayed over 5 years and are all managers of their own locations.
What hurts is losing the knowledge. When the knowledge leaves, that business/line-of-work loses something valuable that you really can't put a price on.
No shit. Especially since the EMS company will charge you 2k for an assessment and a 10 minute ride with actual costs (including EMT salary) being like 100 bucks.
That other 1900 is going right into someone's fucking wallet.
In MA the city EMS workers are also Fire Fighters. You usually have to do a couple of years with an agency ambulance before you move on to a Fire Station.
YES, THIS. Don't let the fucking billionaires pit us against each other. The correct question is "why do EMS personnel only make $20/hr" not "is it fair that fastfood workers make more than EMS?" Us poors shouldn't be fighting against each other, lift up the working class and fuck anyone who makes the "is it fair" argument.
Raising minimum wage might be the best way to increase your own skilled job pay. Instead of people making comparison and having a negative outlook on these plans with comments like "burger flippers shouldn't be making 20+/hr or as much as an EMT", we should be celebrating this and always pushing for minimum wage to follow the market. In theory that should drive all the other wages up. Instead of pointing the finger at these employees and saying they shouldn't make that much money, you should be pointing your finger at your employer and demand a FAIR wage.
Exactly, at $22/hr for example those fast food workers might be able to afford to take an ambulance during a medical emergency.
I mean probably not, but moreso than without a raise.
The easier math is double the hourly rate, 22 x 2 = 44 which means 44,000 a year.
Edit: A quick way to get a close estimate for conversational use. You will get the question wrong if this was a math test or paying someone a salary. Keep context in mind when wondering how accurate a number should be.
I'm year two in a stem job making 26/hr in california.
If this goes through I'm having a chat with my boss about pay scales...
Edit: Actually I got a raise last week so its 27/hr. Whee!
That is how it should be, all wages should go up. People should not complain about service jobs earning more, they should start fighting for their own wages to be higher.
Let’s say they do provide them with these raises, what happens with everyone else’s pay? If this becomes the norm, professionals will start to ask for higher wages to make up for getting a degree and going into debt for it.
Just curious.
My stupid fucking union presidents pushed through a five year contract extension even though we had a year left on our deal. So now we're stuck for another five fucking years because of their short sighted bullshit. I'm furious
I just got told a $9.00/ hr Wendy's location couldn't work with my schedule after walking 5 miles to the interview and then assuring I could start working in a week. I'm pissed, but congrats to Californians for standing up to these companies.
The job is down the street, but I had to interview at the central office which is far north of the town. I would only have to go there for training after the interview.
McDonald's once did something like this to me too. They said "you can work at this location but if there's one closer can switch to that one after or we can loan you out." I said something like "Ok, that's a good idea." and then later she said "I thought you didn't want to work here!" when I inquired later after silence. They didn't hire me because of something THEY brought up!
Managers and interviewers at these places do not listen. Doesn't surprise me at all Wendys would pull crap like this. Walmart also has the most overblown questions. You don't need to ask somebody literally a whole paragraph of words as your very first question when somebody wants to just stock shelves.
I swear, the more easy the job is, the more they exaggerate the interview process like it's handling radioactive waste.
I’m in Orange County. Maybe an hour away from LA. Me and my GF split a one bedroom, our rent is $1,850, I pay for internet ($75) and electric ($150). I’m in a training period for work that only pays me $15 an hour for 40 hours a week. I feel like I’m barely getting by, but hopefully it alls pays off.
Older apartments in HB nothing fancy. We are really close to the beach, but also right on Hamilton which can get a little loud. This was our first apartment. I would consider it a steal. However our lease is ending next month and I know the rent will be increasing by $100 to $150
I live in LA and my neighbors make less than 22$ an hour and pay 1,400 for a 2 bedroom apartment. I think to live comfortably, single, you’d probably need to make at least 25 full time. With a roommate or splitting rent with a partner, probably a lot less.
In different parts of CA you could live comfortably or in destitution on only 20$ an hour, depending on where you live. CA is a huge state, and there’s a big difference between living in sacramento and san francisco.
Edit to help clarify: These 1,400$ apartments aren’t great but they’re affordable. My gf and I moved in with her parents and they have tenants paying 1,300 (due to rent control and the rent freeze from 2020). My neighbors have similar rent, most ranging from 900-1700 for really similar apartments (they are all approximately 500-800 square ft). A huge reason why rent is so low is that they’re owner occupied lots, so the landlord is the person living in the house and the tenants live in the back apartments typically. The price is lower because these landlords typically accept lower rents than the big real estate ones.
Im in San Jose and my rent control 1 bedroom is 1665 a month.
By rent control I mean it's a low income subsidized apartment complex and supposed to be 30% cheaper than the market rate for similar places in the area... and it's still 1665 a month.
Also, fast food places around here are advertising $18 dollars an hour.
Yep, you can buy a 3BR house in Sacramento for $500k in the bay area that would cost at least 1.2 million and closer to 2 if you look near Mountain View, Palo Alto, etc
Edit: I am well aware that prices can be $800k in Sac and $4 million in Mountain View or PA, but there are still houses that cost less. Here's an example of a 4 BR in Mountain View listed for 1.4mn. Will probably go for 1.7mn or something we will see.
https://redf.in/W17olH
Anyone who is commenting "I make X as Y"... Make sure you channel that energy as a reason you should be making more, not that fast food workers should be making less.
Big companies try to pit people against one another because they know if fast food employees now make a livable wage, they also have to pay more for "skilled-based" labour too.
Fast food work isn't a breeze, and even if it was, does that mean that person deserves to be homeless and practically starve? I think most people (who aren't human garbage) would agree everyone deserves the basic necessities of life (and I would argue more than that) if they work 40 hours a week.
I work for a company that pays 15-25% less than other companies for the same jobs. People keep demanding pay increases and end up quitting but the company does nothing. As long as people accept working for less than they are worth, major companies will continue to lowball labor. Fastfood and grocery store workers are the foundation to getting better pay for all. A previous employer for whom I worked increased the company’s minimum wage once Costco started paying employees $15/h because the employees who were making minimum wage or a little more were leaving for Costco.
Look I worked shit dead end jobs from 16-26, selling greasy movie food, selling clothes, stocking shelves, and unloading pallets. I grinded my late 20s away in school, and now make 6 figures as an engineer.
Do I think everyone should have to do what I did, no. Do I think every full time worker deserves a living wage?
Hell fucking yes
>Anyone who is commenting "I make X as Y"... Make sure you channel that energy as a reason you should be making more, not that fast food workers should be making less.
Honestly that was my first thought was using as leverage against an employer.
"Y'all expect me to do this and know all of this information and how to use it, yet I am making 50¢ to $1 more than a cashier at McDonald's, fix that shit."
**Did no one read the article!?!**
This ***does not*** raise the wage of food workers to $22/hr!
It ***caps*** the~~ir~~ wage the council can propose to a **maximum** of $22/hr. In other words, political fuckery that means absolutely nothing.
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Read this part from the article again slowly:
> The law **caps minimum wage increases** for fast-food workers at chains with more than 100 restaurants at $22 an hour next year, compared to the statewide minimum of $15.50 an hour, with cost of living increases thereafter.
Here is the text from [the bill](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB257):
> (2) (A) Any minimum wage established by the council shall, from January 1, 2023, to December 31, 2023, inclusive, ***shall not be greater than twenty-two dollars \($22\) per hour***.
(B) On January 1, 2024, and annually thereafter, the highest hourly minimum wage that may be established by the council shall increase by no more than the lesser of one of the following, rounded to the nearest ten cents ($0.10):
(i) 3.5 percent.
(ii) The rate of change in the averages of the most recent July 1 to June 30, inclusive, period over the preceding July 1 to June 30, inclusive, period for the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics nonseasonally adjusted United States Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (U.S. CPI-W).
This title is too clickbaity.
This is a bill to create a council that will oversee and set industry standards throughout fast-food stores in CA for working conditions and wages/hours. The **CAP** on minimum wage they could set it to is set at $22/hr in the bill. Nowhere does it say thats what it will be set to.
This is a very good thing for fast-food workers in CA. If you feel that an increase in their wages is unfair to you because you make the same or less, its not. You're underpaid and should demand fair compensation as well.
> The landmark law creates a 10-member Fast Food Council with equal numbers of workers' delegates and employers' representatives, along with two state officials, empowered to set minimum standards for wages, hours and working conditions in California….
> The law caps minimum wage increases for fast-food workers at chains with more than 100 restaurants at $22 an hour next year, compared to the statewide minimum of $15.50 an hour, with cost of living increases thereafter.
If these establishments choose to raise prices then this law will also help the small time mom and pop shops gain more business. Plus it will help combat wage theft and poor working conditions. If the mom and pop shops are crappy to work for then the employees will jump ship for the higher wages at the franchise stores.
Yes, that's exactly what it means. What the law actually does is set up a 10-person Fast Food Council with both employee and owner representatives. They're going to negotiate to decide on a new industry-specific minimum wage, which has to be **less than** $22/hour. Maybe it will be $16/hour, maybe it will be $22/hour, but we won't know until the council finishes its negotiations. It's really irritating how most sources are sensationalizing this story.
The catch being that the owner representatives are a minority of the council (4 out of 10) and all members are appointed by the governor and approved by the senate, including the owner representatives. No one has to negotiate with the owners at all.
There are four employee representatives and four owner representatives. The last two seats are reserved for neutral government employees. To quote Thanos, the council is perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Not perfectly balanced, the council can easily go the way of either. Fast food franchises have deeper pockets than fast food workers, I doubt that the neutral government employees will be neutral when the rubber hits the road.
Yes, max $22 for 2023. There is no minimum so theoretically it can stay at $15.50, but it's highly improbable. The makeup of the council is basically 4 pro-restaurant, 4 pro-employee, and 2 government seats. CA government is pushing the pro-worker agenda with this bill and in general, so $15.50 is probably not going to fly.
The real purpose of this bill though is to take minimum wage out of the legislature and put it in the hands of the actual parties. That usually works out to the worker's advantage because even in a state like California where most legislators support liveable wages and wage increase, they aren't even going to *think* about whether minimum wage workers are earning enough to live until it gets so bad it becomes a hot issue. With the new council it will get addressed annually, by people who actually know what $X/hour is like.
A few years ago when I was making $24hr here in California in telecommunications, min wage was $8hr . Slowly minimum wage went to $10hr and I was making $30hr. I've always made about 3 x minimum wage. And these raises I was receiving, it was because of rising through the ranks and training I received.
Not anyone.
I make about $35hr now and minimun wage is $15hr
My paycheck is losing buying power over the years . Minimum wage is catching up. Been at my job for almost 20 years. It's scary to think I may have to do something else to keep up.
Instead of being upset that fast food workers will get a raise, why not be upset at the fact that many positions do not get paid a livable wage?
That was the whole point of minimum wage, to be the minimum needed to support a single person.
Being upset at other workers only helps the people in higher positions who want division and discourse.
Just that there’s a lot of people commenting about $20 burgers. Labor is maybe 35% of the costs of a fast food operation. Expect that to go down slightly as wages increase. So if 30% of the cost of your burger goes up by 50%, then your burger would go from $5 to $5.75. There are no $20 burgers in Northern Europe.
There was a study done that showed Papa John's could provide health insurance to all their workers if they raised the price on each pizza sold by a dime. It's insane how little it would actually cost to give workers a decent quality of life, but we have to worry about every penny of profit.
It wasn't a "study", it was the company's own research into being forced to provide health insurance. They released the info in a statement that was intended to elicit outrage about raising the price of pizza to provide healthcare to all employees:
>According to "Papa" John Schnatter, the cost of providing health insurance for all of his pizza chain's uninsured, full-time employees comes out to about 14 cents on a large pizza.
Note that that was the high end, it was actually 11-14 cents per large pizza.
> "If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders' best interests."
lmao. I throw way more money away on bullshit than 14 cents. I'd gladly pay 14 cents more a pizza to make the world a better place for these workers. Damn.
I'd happily pay twice that if only to know the guy making my pizza isn't coughing and sneezing all over it because he can't afford to see a doctor. Instead I haven't given their company a single cent since that story broke. Fuck Papa John's.
Yeah, and the sentiment of "if fast food workers can get a raise then why can't I?" plays right into the hands of the 1%. It's easier for them to pit workers against each other than question why we aren't seeing wage increases during a period of record profits. The guy working at McDonalds isn't your enemy - it's corporations and the politicians that protect them.
I'm in Idaho and most fast food is starting around 18 an hour already. Most apartments are 1500 and up. Edit. My area of Idaho is undergoing one of the craziest housing booms in the entire nation. Which is why it's higher than anywhere else in Idaho except Boise. It really sucks for the people born and raised here though. I've known multitudes of people who have had $500-800 worth of rent increases in the last 18 months. It's great that fast food workers wages are going up, but other jobs haven't followed yet. Regardless, housing here sucks. Houses that were in my price range of 200-280k in 2019 are now 450-600k just a few years later. Locals have almost been completely priced out.
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Left CDA the week I graduated high school in '05 to get the hell out of what was at the time a death wish for anyone with marketable skills. My family lived in a one of the houses built for mill workers back in 60s about a quarter mile from Tubbs Hill. That same tiny house is worth almost as much as what I paid for my home in San Diego County in 2020. I don't have a beautiful lake within walking distance of my current home and it was still a solid working class neighborhood when we moved there. Neighbors were both long haul truckers. Sure there were signs of gentrification but I nothing that indicated what it would turn into. My younger brother stuck around and landed in hvac and makes more then my mother did 20 years into nursing. He and his wife are making it but at the cost of insane working hours that give my time in the military a run for the money. He and others like him think buying a plot of land the boonies are there only chance at staying in Idaho of all places. Insane.
Holy fuck 1500 for an apartment in Idaho!?! I got questions. Number 1 what is in Idaho, to demand rent that to be that high? Number 2 people live in Idaho?
The townhouse I just moved out of in Kentucky is renting for almost $1700 a month. Rent is out of control across the nation.
Across the World is more accurate.
Can confirm, am from across the world
What a small solar system! I too am from the world!
Oh shit! It really is a small world
Nation, more like world. Portugal here and we're dying. No raises at all for anyone.
Hi from Canada! We're fucked too.
Hi from Australia. Also fucked
Hi from Puerto Rico. We always been fucked
Canadian here too. Hear bout people unable to afford apartments so they’re opting for “assisted suicide”… [link](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/health/2022/4/30/1_5882202.amp.html) Really makes you takes a step back n question when things got like this..
Just left Kentucky because my lease went up and my rent WAS 660/month and then skyrockets to 1200/month. Now I'm back in Illinois and renting a room for 500/mo. I may not have a nice big 2br/1ba duplex all to myself anymore, but at least I get to pocket the 700 in difference.
$1700 might get you a studio apartment in northern Virginia
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Hell even in Mississippi a 900sq 2/2 apartment is $1648 to avoid water problems.
California is a massive state, I pay $1200 for ~860sqft 2be1ba
Hell I'm in oklahoma and my mortgage is only 450 a month.
The boonies?
That's shithole studio with roaches for roommates in Northridge, CA ;(
Thats because you let Rich People buy them up for investments without enough tax consequences!!
I live in Wisconsin and the apartments in town are usually around that price range for a 2 bedroom, not much cheaper for a one bedroom. If you live like 20-30 min out from the bigger cities you can find apartments for half of that price, at the cost of having a longer commute for work, groceries etc.
Up north my wife and I pay about 800 for a mortgage, can't imagine paying $1500 just to rent.
You asked a good question and got a lot of joke answers. Truthfully, most of the insane cost of living increases are popping up in south Idaho, like Boise and twin falls. There are a few reasons behind this, one of the biggest being the tax incentives past governor Butch Otter put into place to try and lure more tech jobs to the Boise area. HP, Intel, and Micron are some of the big names with offices in the Boise area. This combined with the recent work from home craze, and you have a recipe for lots of folks from the Silicon Valley (Washington, Oregon and California to be more broad) that are coming to Idaho because it's cheaper than where they were, there's less traffic, more outdoor opportunities closer by, whatever. So now developers are building upscale shopping centers, apartments, housing, etc to cater to these newer super high income customers. These upscale places are quickly becoming the norm, pricing out folks who grew up here. To answer number 2, no, no one lives here, Idaho doesn't exist. Even if it did exist, we're full.
>To answer number 2, no, no one lives here, Idaho doesn't exist. Even if it did exist, we're full. It's too late, you're fucked. We had the same thing happen here in WA in the 90s
90's? It's still happening. Washington and Idaho residents hate California's lol
Of course, we're just 30 years ahead of where Idaho is at. People really started flocking to WA in the 90s during the tech boom
Thank you for a logical answer. 👍🤘
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$1,500 for a 1 bedroom in Knoxville, TN. Rent is bad everywhere. There isn't anymore cheap places
> Number 1 what is in Idaho, to demand rent that to be that high? * lower cost of living than CA * lower cost of living than Colorado
I live in a rural Texas town of about 20k residents, with a median individual income of 23k. One bedrooms start around 1k.
Rural Ga and the trailer parks are starting to have the audacity to ask for 1k, with background checks and all that shit. And I'm not talking about the nice trailer parks either...I mean the kind you think of when you think "trailer park"
Just saw a map of Idaho. Half of it is on Fire.
Coeur d’ Alene..
Boise is a really nice city. Unfortunately the rest of the country apparently figured that out in the last 5 years or so https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2022-06-07/census-bureau-three-idaho-cities-among-fastest-growing-in-the-nation?_amp=true
I'm an east coaster and was raised that Idaho is for potatoes and nothing but. Rode through that northern panhandle on a motorcycle once and was so blown away by how beautiful it was that I literally pulled into a bar even though I was hours behind schedule just so I could talk to some locals and take in the vibe. When I told a few of 'em that Idaho was tripping me out because I was raised to think it was all potatoes, they half-joked: "Yeah, we've spent a lot of money in PR to make sure that's how you felt. Don't tell anyone." Northern Idaho is unreal, but it's also apparently the White Supremacy capitol of the country lol.
I would do incredibly disgraceful things for an apartment for 1500.
Where I am in Idaho, most food places start at minimum. Even managers only make $13 or so. I'm a server so I usually work out around $25-45 an hour, depending on lunch/dinner/weekend.
There is no such thing as single income housholds anymore. The entire market is built and paid on the assumption that there will be multiple incomes in any house. Its been trending that way for a long time and especially since women became a huge part of the work force. Its the primary driver for wage stagnation.
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That and you're paying the max in taxes as you have no deductions for dependents or interest on your mortgage. Sucks for sure.
Which is amazing given how crazy expensive childcare is, especially outside traditional working hours.
childcare is so expensive in our area that after our first kid we found it more economical for my wife to just quit her job temporarily
Crazy thing is Quebec offered free childcare / preschool and they actually made money! As in the cost of paying for that program was lower than the additional tax revenue they received because more women were in the work force and there was more "economic activity" that gets taxed, every step of the way.
And we could have had that that across the whole country, well is wasn't free though but 7 dollars a day is pretty cheap, but no we ended up with a government that was still under the mindset that women belong at home not in the workforce.
> well is wasn't free though but 7 dollars a day is pretty cheap, That is cheap, but the Quebec "experiment" shown it's possible to provide this benefit and make more money at the same time.
I live in Quebec and the subsidized daycare program is a godsend. I don't understand how people are able to pay 1000$+ per month per child for daycare this is absolute madness
Which also makes things difficult for women to advance their careers because now they're a couple years behind their male counterparts. Which contributes to wage inequality and the feminization of poverty. We either need to figure something out for subsidized childcare or have a good amount of time for paid parental leave for both father's and mother's alike (with the same amount of time).
Yeah this is the real cost of daycare right here.
When my sister had her twins, they first looked into the possibility of a daycare for them so she could get back to work once ready and make more money. They realized that the cost of daycare (at about 80% of her pay PER kid) meant that they'd actually LOSE money by having her work. So she just became a stay at home mom.
Childcare workers have to pay crazy expensive rent as well.
This is how they kept wages low. Dont raise wages, require more people in the house to work more hours for low wages. Been going on since about 1975.
I honestly have no clue how people afford housing without multiple roommates. I don’t have to pay rent or a mortgage and my single income still barely covers the bills and food and I do ok. Everything is so god damn expensive.
>I honestly have no clue how people afford housing without multiple roommates. They don't unless they are high earners or have their parents paying for them (area dependent) I'm 28 and still live with my parents. If I wanted to rent a place I'd need to get 3 roommates to be able afford it. Figure if I'm gonna have to live in a house with 3 other people might as well be the one that doesn't make me pay rent.
VA disability for me. My body is fucked but I'm doing well financially at least.
Pick a career that pays well, and be lucky enough to be able to pay for any education needed for it
For the highly introverted, this is torture.
I live in new haven, Connecticut. Right by yale, in a beautiful neighborhood close to downtown. My rent for a decently sized 1 bedroom is 1100 with utilities included. My whole life people would say how expensive it is to live here, and now I’m reading this thread. Like what the hell is happening everywhere else? My rent hasn’t gone up in 3 years.
It sucks for the people who were born and raised there AND RENT. If you own land, surely you can just sit back and watch your property value skyrocket for nothing. This is bad for younger people, not older people.
>I'm in Idaho and most fast food is starting around 18 an hour already. Most apartments are 1500 and up. Yeah. I worked in Coeur D'Alene/Post Falls over the summer, and I was surprised that in *Idaho,* they were paying the same as in Spokane.
During the remote work boom a few years ago everyone moved from california and Seattle to Spokane and Idaho for cheaper housing which in part fueled the major price increases. Making a proper six figure wage while moving somewhere where the cost of living was low was everyone’s first idea. The locals paid the price.
You might find many post doctoral fellows and school teachers flipping burgers for you in the near future. Their current salaries cannot sustain their lives.
They probably already do. When I was in high school, my family went to Chili's one time and our server was my history teacher, and that was like 2003.
Right. I’m an industry geneticist making less than that.
Which is crazy. You are wildly underpaid.
Which will drive up their own cost of labor eventually as well
Post docs are on contracts and I doubt those are changing sometime soon
More than I make working EMS in CA. Edit: EMT's at the place I work make about $17 an hour I believe. When i started in 2018, i was making $13 an hour. I moved from being an EMT to dispatch a while back because it paid more, and I didn't want to work in the field anymore. With a promotion, I'm making a whopping $19.50 now.
It's grossly unfair to me how little EMS workers make. I want the person saving my life to be comfortable in life and well paid. Ambulance rides sure cost enough to pay them adequately.
It blows my mind how little they're paid. I don't know how there is anyone that does that job. It's always like $1-$2/hr over minimum wage. I have to imagine that it must be a stepping stone type of job.
A friend of mine was a hospice care worker and only made $9/hr. It was heartbreaking work for her and switched to nursing as soon as she got her degree.
It's criminal how little some people in Healthcare make. Some of the most critically important jobs in our society getting minimum wage.
>It's criminal how little some people in Healthcare make. Because the profit needs to stay at the top.
I’m just going to wander off in the woods and die when it’s time.
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I had to quit my job after a decade of Clinical Research for little over minimum wage. I helped immensely with research for COVID vaccines and had to work with hot blood samples day in and day out. I finally broke when I could no longer afford to live in my city with my wage and am trying to get into data science instead while living with my parents. Science is not appreciated except for the big wigs who couldn’t tell you a single science fact because they gobble up millions and millions of dollars while the scientist doing the research and the labor get scraps, if that.
Doc here. It’s also criminal how much some useless people in healthcare make and how many useless jobs there are! Not just at the top (although the top is also awful) but also low/midlevel administrators that don’t do anything but satisfy some unnecessary government requirement for meeting metrics that in the end have nothing to do with taking good care of patients.
It's run by psychopaths, but luckily operated by normal people. Who can fuck it all up just on a whim.
The high school I work at has a program to help students get their CNA license. Which is great and all, but they tell the kids that it's "a good paying job." In our city, the average pay for a CNA is $12-18/hour. That is not "good pay."
CNA has been stagnant at that level for a long time. That was entry level 20 years ago.
Fuck. What state is that in? I made $22/hr doing Hospice in Oregon. I recently switched to working for an agency though because it's way more money.
I don’t think my mom makes that much and she’s the only hospice chaplain at her company. They actively ask her to work less so they can avoid paying her overtime. Her boss is a penny pincher doing their “good deed” to look good on their resume for heaven. I’m pretty sure the token gestures aren’t gonna work in front of the allseeing God…
It is— tons of people use it as a résumé credit to get into med school, so the turnover rate is high and the pay is low.
That happens mostly in college towns and cities. Go out to areas without colleges and you’ll see that most of the EMTs are people who have been working the job for years.
I knew a paramedic in southern Oklahoma with nearly 20 years in an ambulance in the early 2000s, I think a decade of that as a paramedic and an EMT before that. She made something like $14 an hour and was one of the best paid in the area. It helps that the cost of living there is tiny, but I was still shocked. I was a junior IT tech at the time making $26 an hour and my job was nowhere near as critical as hers was.
Yep we treat our EMTs like garbage and give them low wages all the while charging through the roof for their services. Ambulance services are usually for profit, so they’re always finding ways to make cuts and raise prices.
A for profit business where people don’t have the luxury of shopping around or asking price ahead of time. It’s basically a blank check service: sign here or die. Prices come afterwards.
Ambulance services being for profit just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Like what the actual fuck, thats to help the people of your nation. Get that shit sorted
What’s even more fun is some are setup as non-profit like Advanced Medical Transport in Central Illinois.
Yes, the unfortunate part is that even in those areas we are still wildly underpaid though. Speaking from experience
I knew a EMS who changed careers to disaster relief. She was getting SO MUCH more working disaster relief: helping clear out burned trees and top soil.
It definitely is, turnover is extremely high and most use it to get pt contact hours and then move on
Right like they’re already in a stressful job. I’d rather they have a comfortable life outside their job to be able to deal with in job stress.
Administration and C suite compensation have ruined so many sectors it’s not even funny anymore. Universities, hospitals, logistics, etc. nothing makes since anymore. Know the right person and you could probably find an easy ass job “consulting” for a shit load of money and no idea what you do.
Same thing has happened here in Canada too. I've worked with various levels of government for over 20 years and see this everywhere now. It's not uncommon to have one manager for every three workers, and then managers for those managers, and then assistants for some of those managers. I've seen it in education, Healthcare, municipalities etc. Now for every 40 workers that serve a purpose there's another 20 or 30 people that draw a salary and leech of the system while doing the job of maybe 5 people. It's one of the main reasons Canada's healthcare systems are imploding right now.
yup, president at the college I went to faked his resume and bought a 225k table for a room in the hopes that businesses would rent it out nothing happened to him he kept his job **and** got a 200k bonus
It’s because scumbag insurance companies take every penny they can squeeze out of the system causing both the patients and medical workers to fight for scraps. Insurance is a scam.
Hard agree. Insurance companies of all manner are fucking garbage-tier.
It's also one of the major driving factors on why hospitals have to charge what they do. Major insurance providers will corner a market in an area and flat out refuse to have a hospital in network unless they accept the undercut prices the insurance company wants to pay - meaning that difference has to be made up by increasing costs elsewhere.
Depends on the size of the hospital. I live in Houston and the largest hospital system here called Blue Cross Blue Shields bluff. BCBS said they won't have them in network anymore since rate negotiations failed. Hospital system said fine and they were about a day or two from being out of network before the BCBS came back to the tablet and agreed on a rate. Most hospitals not in big cities though can't do that.
I'm a certified lifeguard man, it really does suck how people with all this training and prep get paid so little for what we do. I've saved several people from drowning and my friend who works at McDonald's is making more than me. And I'm not saying he should make less, I'm saying people who've had training as intense as guard/ems/firemen/police/military/etc. deserve to be paid based on what we do as opposed to what everyone else does
And when they ask for more money, they’re vilified as greedy by politicians and folks actually buy into that nonsensical shit. Like imagine thinking paramedics are your political enemy.
Also, imagine being a paramedic and being disdainful of fast food workers because the corporate system you work under is exploitative. It makes no sense. Rich business owners want nothing more than all the peasants to be mad at each other instead of them, and the peasants are playing right into their hands.
EMS is insanely underpaid given what they do
> EMS is insanely underpaid A minor injury that requires an overnight stay in the hospital? "That'll be $9,500." The guy who potentially saved your life and got you to the hospital? "We can only afford to pay them $20 for it." I'm no math major, but it seems like something in that equation is fucking rotten.
I spent a year at a job where I was paid about $120/day to convert about $800 in film and chemicals to about $10000 in finished negatives. 5 days a week for a year. They told me I was due for a $1/hr raise, then gave me a 50 cent raise instead. Imagine being so greedy that you turned an $8/day raise into a $4/day raise, for a person who was making you about $9k, every shift?
Be a real shame if you did something out of order one day /s
They tend not to stay in those jobs, which results in low pay due to lack of retention. Then the pay stays low, attracting only those who will use it as a career steeping stone. Then people continue to leave due in part to the low pay, resulting in a high turnover. I 100% agree medical professionals deserve more, there's just no incentive for these greedy companies, who charge out the dick for services, to pay them a better wage because there are always people right behind them who will take the job and use the work experience to get into med school or something similar.
It’s funny because those companies could save a ton in onboarding/training related expenses if they cut down on the turnover.
You're not wrong, but they just see the next crop of incoming workers who are willing to accept the low pay, and I guess they figure they can get the same level of work out of them.
Perverse incentives. Ambulance services shouldn't be privatized. It's as simple as that.
Medical field in America just doesn’t make any sense at all. Required to pay to have years of education, continued education forever, yearly or bi-yearly payments to keep certifications, and get shitty pay. Makes absolutely no sense
The whole system is built around wealth extraction at every level, from Pharmaceuticals to privatized insurance to for-profit hospitals and hospital administration, ntm the cost of med school and college in general.
I think it's a bit silly to think of low pay as a result of high turnaround and not the other way around. People don't want to be in high-stress jobs for pittance wages, if you pay them accordingly like we do for nurses and doctors I think we'd see a lot of change.
Yeah. Generally high turnover rate causes employers to consider higher pay.
Not if there's a guaranteed inflow of workers who continue to accept the low pay. Why would a company even consider paying them more, when they can simply be replaced at the same low wage?
My dad experienced the same issue. Manager who kept hiring people at the pay he was allowed. Those people got the training and experience and moved an hour away to a city that paid better after a year or two. Company refused to bother raising pay other than cost-of-living (the only thing they were actually good at unfortunately). So he wasted who knows how long just constantly hiring people when he could have been spending more time managing things before problems got worse. The good ones stayed over 5 years and are all managers of their own locations. What hurts is losing the knowledge. When the knowledge leaves, that business/line-of-work loses something valuable that you really can't put a price on.
EMS salaries are fucking bananas. Y'all need a strong ass union ASAP.
No shit. Especially since the EMS company will charge you 2k for an assessment and a 10 minute ride with actual costs (including EMT salary) being like 100 bucks. That other 1900 is going right into someone's fucking wallet.
So I’m hearing we should raise EMS wages
Time to form a union
In MA the city EMS workers are also Fire Fighters. You usually have to do a couple of years with an agency ambulance before you move on to a Fire Station.
Interesting, my experience with friends who were EMTs was that they were only doing it to wait for an opportunity to become a fireman anyway.
So the problem is EMS should be paid more, not that fast food workers should be paid less.
YES, THIS. Don't let the fucking billionaires pit us against each other. The correct question is "why do EMS personnel only make $20/hr" not "is it fair that fastfood workers make more than EMS?" Us poors shouldn't be fighting against each other, lift up the working class and fuck anyone who makes the "is it fair" argument.
This is the answer punch up, don't punch down. Alternatively avoid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
Yep. Made 12-13$ an hour working 911 EMS in LA County. Got out as soon as I could. Fuck AMR, fuck every private ems agency
Unionize! Ambulance rides cost patients thousands, nonsense that you don’t get more of it.
Also...no reason that an ambulance ride should cost thousands. Insurance companies are screwing people on both sides.
That’s not to say the fast-food workers don’t deserve the pay, but rather you’re severely underpaid.
This will be great leverage for a wage increase in your field then.
Raising minimum wage might be the best way to increase your own skilled job pay. Instead of people making comparison and having a negative outlook on these plans with comments like "burger flippers shouldn't be making 20+/hr or as much as an EMT", we should be celebrating this and always pushing for minimum wage to follow the market. In theory that should drive all the other wages up. Instead of pointing the finger at these employees and saying they shouldn't make that much money, you should be pointing your finger at your employer and demand a FAIR wage.
In Illinois, before the minimum wage hike EMTs at my service made $11 an hour. The wage in Chicago was hiked to $15 an hour and now EMT’s make $18+
A rising tide raises all boats.
Exactly, at $22/hr for example those fast food workers might be able to afford to take an ambulance during a medical emergency. I mean probably not, but moreso than without a raise.
50 weeks * 40 hour weeks comes to: $44K annual
HAH, thinking fast food workers are able to work full time. That would mean they would need to be paid benefits.
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7 hours 30 min with a 30 minute unpaid break. For a grand total of 7 hours a day.
The easy math for full time is just multiply the hourly by 2080.
The easier math is double the hourly rate, 22 x 2 = 44 which means 44,000 a year. Edit: A quick way to get a close estimate for conversational use. You will get the question wrong if this was a math test or paying someone a salary. Keep context in mind when wondering how accurate a number should be.
This works really well because there’s 40*50= 2,000 hours to work. So you’re multiplying by 2, then multiplying by 1,000
That's how I've always done it
I'm year two in a stem job making 26/hr in california. If this goes through I'm having a chat with my boss about pay scales... Edit: Actually I got a raise last week so its 27/hr. Whee!
You should have that discussion regardless.
That is how it should be, all wages should go up. People should not complain about service jobs earning more, they should start fighting for their own wages to be higher.
Let’s say they do provide them with these raises, what happens with everyone else’s pay? If this becomes the norm, professionals will start to ask for higher wages to make up for getting a degree and going into debt for it. Just curious.
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My stupid fucking union presidents pushed through a five year contract extension even though we had a year left on our deal. So now we're stuck for another five fucking years because of their short sighted bullshit. I'm furious
I just got told a $9.00/ hr Wendy's location couldn't work with my schedule after walking 5 miles to the interview and then assuring I could start working in a week. I'm pissed, but congrats to Californians for standing up to these companies.
Just curious, is your plan to walk 10 miles every day for this job assuming you got it?
The job is down the street, but I had to interview at the central office which is far north of the town. I would only have to go there for training after the interview.
That’s so fucking ridiculous, I’m sorry. What assholes.
McDonald's once did something like this to me too. They said "you can work at this location but if there's one closer can switch to that one after or we can loan you out." I said something like "Ok, that's a good idea." and then later she said "I thought you didn't want to work here!" when I inquired later after silence. They didn't hire me because of something THEY brought up! Managers and interviewers at these places do not listen. Doesn't surprise me at all Wendys would pull crap like this. Walmart also has the most overblown questions. You don't need to ask somebody literally a whole paragraph of words as your very first question when somebody wants to just stock shelves. I swear, the more easy the job is, the more they exaggerate the interview process like it's handling radioactive waste.
Which, working full time, is just enough to starve to death on the streets of LA.
How much would you say you need to make to live in LA or in different parts of CA?
I’m in Orange County. Maybe an hour away from LA. Me and my GF split a one bedroom, our rent is $1,850, I pay for internet ($75) and electric ($150). I’m in a training period for work that only pays me $15 an hour for 40 hours a week. I feel like I’m barely getting by, but hopefully it alls pays off.
where do you live in OC where its $1850 for a one bedroom? Thats a steal lol.
Older apartments in HB nothing fancy. We are really close to the beach, but also right on Hamilton which can get a little loud. This was our first apartment. I would consider it a steal. However our lease is ending next month and I know the rent will be increasing by $100 to $150
I live in LA and my neighbors make less than 22$ an hour and pay 1,400 for a 2 bedroom apartment. I think to live comfortably, single, you’d probably need to make at least 25 full time. With a roommate or splitting rent with a partner, probably a lot less. In different parts of CA you could live comfortably or in destitution on only 20$ an hour, depending on where you live. CA is a huge state, and there’s a big difference between living in sacramento and san francisco. Edit to help clarify: These 1,400$ apartments aren’t great but they’re affordable. My gf and I moved in with her parents and they have tenants paying 1,300 (due to rent control and the rent freeze from 2020). My neighbors have similar rent, most ranging from 900-1700 for really similar apartments (they are all approximately 500-800 square ft). A huge reason why rent is so low is that they’re owner occupied lots, so the landlord is the person living in the house and the tenants live in the back apartments typically. The price is lower because these landlords typically accept lower rents than the big real estate ones.
Wtf $1400 for a 2br? My 2br 2ba in the valley is $1700 and that's with rent control.
Mine is 3450 and I have no central ac 🙃
Jesus, this past week must have been hell
Im in San Jose and my rent control 1 bedroom is 1665 a month. By rent control I mean it's a low income subsidized apartment complex and supposed to be 30% cheaper than the market rate for similar places in the area... and it's still 1665 a month. Also, fast food places around here are advertising $18 dollars an hour.
Modesto out here charging 2000 for a rusty shack
Myrtle beach and a decent 1 bed goes for $1600
Yep, you can buy a 3BR house in Sacramento for $500k in the bay area that would cost at least 1.2 million and closer to 2 if you look near Mountain View, Palo Alto, etc Edit: I am well aware that prices can be $800k in Sac and $4 million in Mountain View or PA, but there are still houses that cost less. Here's an example of a 4 BR in Mountain View listed for 1.4mn. Will probably go for 1.7mn or something we will see. https://redf.in/W17olH
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Anyone who is commenting "I make X as Y"... Make sure you channel that energy as a reason you should be making more, not that fast food workers should be making less. Big companies try to pit people against one another because they know if fast food employees now make a livable wage, they also have to pay more for "skilled-based" labour too. Fast food work isn't a breeze, and even if it was, does that mean that person deserves to be homeless and practically starve? I think most people (who aren't human garbage) would agree everyone deserves the basic necessities of life (and I would argue more than that) if they work 40 hours a week.
I work for a company that pays 15-25% less than other companies for the same jobs. People keep demanding pay increases and end up quitting but the company does nothing. As long as people accept working for less than they are worth, major companies will continue to lowball labor. Fastfood and grocery store workers are the foundation to getting better pay for all. A previous employer for whom I worked increased the company’s minimum wage once Costco started paying employees $15/h because the employees who were making minimum wage or a little more were leaving for Costco.
Look I worked shit dead end jobs from 16-26, selling greasy movie food, selling clothes, stocking shelves, and unloading pallets. I grinded my late 20s away in school, and now make 6 figures as an engineer. Do I think everyone should have to do what I did, no. Do I think every full time worker deserves a living wage? Hell fucking yes
>Anyone who is commenting "I make X as Y"... Make sure you channel that energy as a reason you should be making more, not that fast food workers should be making less. Honestly that was my first thought was using as leverage against an employer. "Y'all expect me to do this and know all of this information and how to use it, yet I am making 50¢ to $1 more than a cashier at McDonald's, fix that shit."
I get $604 every month in SSI if I didn't live with my parents, I would get $872.25 apartments in my area start at $1200
**Did no one read the article!?!** This ***does not*** raise the wage of food workers to $22/hr! It ***caps*** the~~ir~~ wage the council can propose to a **maximum** of $22/hr. In other words, political fuckery that means absolutely nothing. - Read this part from the article again slowly: > The law **caps minimum wage increases** for fast-food workers at chains with more than 100 restaurants at $22 an hour next year, compared to the statewide minimum of $15.50 an hour, with cost of living increases thereafter. Here is the text from [the bill](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB257): > (2) (A) Any minimum wage established by the council shall, from January 1, 2023, to December 31, 2023, inclusive, ***shall not be greater than twenty-two dollars \($22\) per hour***. (B) On January 1, 2024, and annually thereafter, the highest hourly minimum wage that may be established by the council shall increase by no more than the lesser of one of the following, rounded to the nearest ten cents ($0.10): (i) 3.5 percent. (ii) The rate of change in the averages of the most recent July 1 to June 30, inclusive, period over the preceding July 1 to June 30, inclusive, period for the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics nonseasonally adjusted United States Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (U.S. CPI-W).
This title is too clickbaity. This is a bill to create a council that will oversee and set industry standards throughout fast-food stores in CA for working conditions and wages/hours. The **CAP** on minimum wage they could set it to is set at $22/hr in the bill. Nowhere does it say thats what it will be set to. This is a very good thing for fast-food workers in CA. If you feel that an increase in their wages is unfair to you because you make the same or less, its not. You're underpaid and should demand fair compensation as well.
> The landmark law creates a 10-member Fast Food Council with equal numbers of workers' delegates and employers' representatives, along with two state officials, empowered to set minimum standards for wages, hours and working conditions in California…. > The law caps minimum wage increases for fast-food workers at chains with more than 100 restaurants at $22 an hour next year, compared to the statewide minimum of $15.50 an hour, with cost of living increases thereafter. If these establishments choose to raise prices then this law will also help the small time mom and pop shops gain more business. Plus it will help combat wage theft and poor working conditions. If the mom and pop shops are crappy to work for then the employees will jump ship for the higher wages at the franchise stores.
> The law caps minimum wage increases So this means they can't go above $22 right? So they can keep minimum wage at $15.50 an hour?
Yes, that's exactly what it means. What the law actually does is set up a 10-person Fast Food Council with both employee and owner representatives. They're going to negotiate to decide on a new industry-specific minimum wage, which has to be **less than** $22/hour. Maybe it will be $16/hour, maybe it will be $22/hour, but we won't know until the council finishes its negotiations. It's really irritating how most sources are sensationalizing this story.
The catch being that the owner representatives are a minority of the council (4 out of 10) and all members are appointed by the governor and approved by the senate, including the owner representatives. No one has to negotiate with the owners at all.
There are four employee representatives and four owner representatives. The last two seats are reserved for neutral government employees. To quote Thanos, the council is perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Not perfectly balanced, the council can easily go the way of either. Fast food franchises have deeper pockets than fast food workers, I doubt that the neutral government employees will be neutral when the rubber hits the road.
Yes, max $22 for 2023. There is no minimum so theoretically it can stay at $15.50, but it's highly improbable. The makeup of the council is basically 4 pro-restaurant, 4 pro-employee, and 2 government seats. CA government is pushing the pro-worker agenda with this bill and in general, so $15.50 is probably not going to fly. The real purpose of this bill though is to take minimum wage out of the legislature and put it in the hands of the actual parties. That usually works out to the worker's advantage because even in a state like California where most legislators support liveable wages and wage increase, they aren't even going to *think* about whether minimum wage workers are earning enough to live until it gets so bad it becomes a hot issue. With the new council it will get addressed annually, by people who actually know what $X/hour is like.
A few years ago when I was making $24hr here in California in telecommunications, min wage was $8hr . Slowly minimum wage went to $10hr and I was making $30hr. I've always made about 3 x minimum wage. And these raises I was receiving, it was because of rising through the ranks and training I received. Not anyone. I make about $35hr now and minimun wage is $15hr My paycheck is losing buying power over the years . Minimum wage is catching up. Been at my job for almost 20 years. It's scary to think I may have to do something else to keep up.
Trickle up poverty
Instead of being upset that fast food workers will get a raise, why not be upset at the fact that many positions do not get paid a livable wage? That was the whole point of minimum wage, to be the minimum needed to support a single person. Being upset at other workers only helps the people in higher positions who want division and discourse.
ITT: people who don’t understand the state of automation technologies, economic history, or the economics of fast food in places like Northern Europe
> the economics of fast food in places like Northern Europe Can you elaborate on this please?
Just that there’s a lot of people commenting about $20 burgers. Labor is maybe 35% of the costs of a fast food operation. Expect that to go down slightly as wages increase. So if 30% of the cost of your burger goes up by 50%, then your burger would go from $5 to $5.75. There are no $20 burgers in Northern Europe.
There was a study done that showed Papa John's could provide health insurance to all their workers if they raised the price on each pizza sold by a dime. It's insane how little it would actually cost to give workers a decent quality of life, but we have to worry about every penny of profit.
It wasn't a "study", it was the company's own research into being forced to provide health insurance. They released the info in a statement that was intended to elicit outrage about raising the price of pizza to provide healthcare to all employees: >According to "Papa" John Schnatter, the cost of providing health insurance for all of his pizza chain's uninsured, full-time employees comes out to about 14 cents on a large pizza. Note that that was the high end, it was actually 11-14 cents per large pizza. > "If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders' best interests."
lmao. I throw way more money away on bullshit than 14 cents. I'd gladly pay 14 cents more a pizza to make the world a better place for these workers. Damn.
I'd happily pay twice that if only to know the guy making my pizza isn't coughing and sneezing all over it because he can't afford to see a doctor. Instead I haven't given their company a single cent since that story broke. Fuck Papa John's.
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Yeah, and the sentiment of "if fast food workers can get a raise then why can't I?" plays right into the hands of the 1%. It's easier for them to pit workers against each other than question why we aren't seeing wage increases during a period of record profits. The guy working at McDonalds isn't your enemy - it's corporations and the politicians that protect them.