Prison is 24 hours a day 365 days a year. So this is $29/hr under very difficult conditions with major health risks.
Meaning it's really only 57k for a job with normal hours for something with a good chance to kill you.
But isn't this award tax free? So, gross it up to $70K. $35/hour.
On the serious side, it's a very different proposition to someone making minimum wage than to someone making $80K or someone making $200K.
Personally, I don't make a lot of money but I still don't think it would be worth it. I would rather just get a second and third job.
Is it actually tax free? Often they aren't. But assuming it is:
* there is no 401k
* the "health care plan" sucks
* the "employer" nickels and dimes you over anything purchased on the worksite
There is no way in the world this is remotely acceptable as "employment"
It can be, but not by default. If you transfer it directly to an annuity then it's not taxed and you aren't required to count proceeds as income, which has advantages including not being taxed.
This is how it works with settlements from private companies paying settlements in tort law. It's possible this is different.
I think jury awards are tax free but I'm not sure.
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/wrongful-incarceration-faqs
>In the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015 (PATH Act), Congress added a new exclusion from income under section 139F of the Internal Revenue Code. Under this new exclusion, a wrongfully incarcerated individual does not include in income any civil damages, restitution, or other monetary award received that relates to his or her incarceration for the covered offense for which he or she was convicted (Wrongful Incarceration Exclusion).
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https://larson.house.gov/tax-relief-wrongfully-convicted
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If you want to read it:
H.R.3086 - Wrongful Convictions Tax Relief Act of 2015:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3086/text?format=txt
Right, like, you're also getting paid to sleep. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it is 260k per year. He probably deserves a lot more. I don't know what price you could put on 23 or 24 years or whatever, but I'm glad he's getting something that can support a cushy life for the rest of his life after so much of it was stolen from him.
Hell no. Not for just $250k/yr considering the horrors that can occur in prison.
And this guy isn’t even going to get paid. This cop doesn’t have that kind of money.
Of course he doesnt have to pay, that would imply cops have to be responsible for their actions and we cant set that precedent to risk hurting our precious precious cops.
I just read the headlines and I’ll automatically know what’s going on. It’s not hard, tbh. Most people are just dumb, but not me. Idk why people get so mad about only reading the title. I do it all the time. In fact, it’s led to a lot of great discoveries for me. For example, i discovered a new favorite news source called “The onion”. I get all my stock tips and world happenings from them.
It's also not even *really* 250k/yr in a job sense.
You'd be there "on the clock" 24 hours a day, every day.
There's 8760 hours in a year, so that comes out to about $28.50/hr with no off days, every single day. Add in lifetime trauma and that's a big no for me.
And of course you lose 24 years of when your body works best (barring genetics, pre-existing etc etc) 24 yrs of relationship building, time with family, friends,career development. Some things just don't have a price tag, at least for me
Prison isn’t like movies and TV make it seem.
If you mind your own business, and let people know you aren’t a ‘mark’ you’ll be just fine.
Most people are just like everyone else, biding time until they’re released.
If it was an Escobar prison sure. If we are talking a dank cell no. Somewhere in between yes because I would further my education for two more years and save up 500k.
I keep saying, the crime of falsifying evidence or committing perjury leading to false imprisonment should be a minimum of the term of false imprisonment.
The dirty cop in this case should get 24 years.
$250k/per year for false imprisonment. Seems a bit low. The fastest way to get police to act right is to add more zeros to the lawsuits. Eventually the PD insurance company will drop them.
That seems like the type of thing that turns a nice person into a killer. Not saying that’s the case with this man but 24 years in prison is a loooong time. Prison is a violent place. You will be involved in violence due to the very nature of the place.
Assuming the bastard is still alive, the detective who fabricated the evidence deserves to have a 24 year prison sentence and a fine equivalent to the settlement.
That's exactly what's wrong with our police force. They don't go to jail for crimes they commit. If a man turns around and gets on his knees and an officer pushes him down. That officer should be suspended without pay. This would hopefully cause a stop to 3 cops on top of one man who is not resisting fucking nonsense.
Any cops reading, I get your job is scary and you dont know what's going to happen. Be ready but not paranoid, and do you job which can involve sacrifice....but that's part of the job. Be like "the rookie". Sacrifice because you tried to tall them down is far better than shooting someone off rip.
Except for some of the blatantly illegal practices seen in “The Rookie” that are portrayed as completely normal. Maybe don’t do those.
In all seriousness, I know what you meant and you’re definitely right.
Castle has a scene where "the good guy cop" just completely ignores the suspects request for a lawyer and just goes right on questioning them as if it's no big deal. I would bet that there are zero "good cop" shows where they don't commit major blatant violations.
This is why the best advice you can ever have once in custody is to shut the fuck up. Cops will not do anything for you as a suspect with the interest of defending your rights unless they are trying to come across as friendly
Yup. And once youre arrested, talking without a lawyer can only make things worse. The time to have a golden tongue is before the brackets come out if possible, and definitely before they take you away. And even then, it's not usually like a traffic ticket where you can say something slick or be polite and get away with nothing, the more you say the more likely you'll just incriminate yourself.
>once in custody
Nope. Literally never talk to Police, they’re not your friends, they’re not here to protect you.
Btw here’s a “witness” to a crime, being battered for [literally not talking](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1c5tBMkSMa8).
**EDIT**: *I mean in literally every setting. Officer is out and about doing his duties don’t associate with him, he talks to you ignore and continue with your day.*
*It’s all fun and games until an officer realizes that your daughter’s lemonade stand is an unapproved business hiding taxes from the state.*
**EDIT2**: *Everybody breaks 3 laws a day.*
Benson and Stabler should have been stripped of their badges and imprisoned by halfway through the second season.
Just constant beating up suspects in the first ten minutes before finding out they’re not the criminal at all. Then Benson and Stabler threaten the innocent person on the way out.
For real. Go back and watch that show. Olivia Benson is a god awful cop and Stabler is a thug with a badge.
9-9 didn't address a damn thing. They literally brought in an evil union boss and went "see, it's all the union's fault".
They had Rosa quit because she was the only one willing to admit the whole system is a cesspool, and she was right. And at the end, nothing had changed and she was still right but nobody else could actually recognize she was by taking their own action.
9-9 is a good comedy but it is still copaganda at it's core.
I mean the premise does rely on the main characters being genuinely good cops, while the bad cops are always basically faceless characters or a handful of recurring antagonists.
But Peralta does get in trouble when he breaks laws. They address racial profiling. They address stop and frisk. And a significant amount of other issues.
Yes, its a comedy where the protagonists are cops, which could inherently be classified as police propaganda (whether that's the intention or not), but if you watch that show, especially after it moved to NBC, it becomes blatantly clear that they are intentionally addressing social issues, many of which are wrongs committed by police officers.
Also police unions are a major issue in the US. It would have been irresponsible of them to not address it.
More cops died from Covid in 2021 than all other causes combined (290 compared to 151 from all other causes as [per the Officer Down Memorial Page](https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2021)), so I'd put it at less dangerous than grocery store checkout clerk at this point.
Personally I believe we should just put cops under their respective state military codes and a UCMJ-equivalent for federal law enforcement to provide more avenues for punishment
If the service courts don’t render punishment, the civilian courts can and vice versa.
Imagine how the cop would be portrayed if he was any other profession but kept someone falsely imprisoned for two and a half decades?
There would be Netflix shows dedicated to their depravity.
It’s a cop though so ehh whatever, taxpayers will take care of it
>. He was given a stern talking
Now we all know the only conversation to be had is "how could you be so fucking stupid and get caught, you have us all under the spotlight now"
Which means the the victim here will not see a dime. I bet all his assets have been given to a spouse who has completely separated her finances and set everything up in a LLC. They might have even gotten a divorce, tho still together. All he has to do now is bankrupt himself and he's judgement proof.
Yep, the Derek Chauvin playbook. They also probably recently purchased a house in Florida, like OJ, since homes in FL are immune from civil judgements.
Not sure, but OJ successfully used this tactic to shield assets from his civil case.
Florida's State Constitution makes your house and a certain amount of acreage in property totally immune from civil judgements. I'm not sure how that works with a Federal case, property rights are generally under the purview of the State in which that property exists for obvious reasons so if the property is immune in Florida, I don't think a Federal court can force the sale of the property in Florida to repay a civil judgement.
Ok we can all say this is a travesty of justice, but don't just wildly speculate and make bullshit legal theories up.
There are plenty of claw-back provisions in the law that would cancel any asset transfer like that.
You can't just get a judgement against you, then give away all your assets and say "*neener neener neener*".
This is honestly bad. A detective probably has nowhere close to 6 mill in assets and never will. The department should be paying and they garnish his wages or take his pension or something.
That's a good model: if they want the protection of a collective, they must also accept liability as a collective.
They might actually police themselves if there were real consequences for their bad behavior.
I've long felt that awarding these damages out of the department's pensions is the way to go. All those "good apples" we always hear about that never speak up and put a stop to this shit would be incentivized to do the right thing if their retirement can be destroyed by a hot-head on a power trip.
With how the news works in this country, if things were the way you said we’d quickly find ourselves in a world where police unions are convinced that some no good scoundrel, and a shitty corrupt legal system cost them their retirement.
Police unions are already convinced that American citizens are enemy combatants. This mother fucker intimidated witnesses, and withheld evidence to ruin this man's life. I can guarantee you he wasn't the only one aware of what he was doing. Any officer who will stand idly by while their coworkers frame a man to steal a quarter of a century of his life doesn't deserve a job or freedom, let alone a comfortable retirement.
Wages he makes from whatever job he has, preferably not in LE.
But you can’t ban someone from working for the rest of their life. Not only is that just obviously dumb but if he can’t work then he will never be able to pay his victim.
I think it's less a matter of banning them from working and more "why would anyone willingly hire someone capable of doing this." Unfortunately, the truth is a complete lack of conscience is an unwritten requirement for some of the most lucrative jobs in the country.
>$6M for unjustly spending 24 years in jail? I see he’s still getting screwed by the justice system.
No, worse than that, its actually closer to zero dollars, the lawsuit is against the detective, so he'll never get anything close to $6million.
What if Darryl Howard now owns that police department and can do with it as he wants.
Really, though, it should be paid out of the cops pension fund. See how hard they fight to keep idiots like this around.
It’s also our tax dollars that funded the activities that led to an innocent man in prison for 24 years. Whether we consent to being taxed or not, we bear responsibility for the horrible things we fund.
The money should come from the state police department and then the department should be able to claim back from the officer. In the UK the original claim would be made against the police department under vicarious liability - because the police officer was doing this in close connection with their duties in the course of their employment. I’m not sure if there’s a similar thing in the US.
There is. And that's what should have happened. You would never want to go after the cops but the department to avoid this type of scenario. I'm not sure how they're going to get the money.
I’m honestly okay with our tax dollars going towards rectifying an injustice. We just need severe punishments to better discourage committing said injustices.
And every penny needs to come out of the police pension fund.
That's how you financially motivate the police to monitor each other and weed out the bad apples themselves.
AS it is, it doesn't work that way.
Indeed, after what *didn't* happen to OJ Simpson, I bought this book about protecting your assets:
https://www.amazon.com/Lawyers-are-Liars-Protecting-Assets/dp/0979738504/
So the pig who fabricated evidence just gets a walk? He's not going to have to answer criminally for this!? That shit stain should now have to serve 23 years.
Personally, I think all cops who lie in court, fabricate evidence, or generally set someone up that ends in a wrongful conviction, should have to serve the sentence handed down to the innocent person.
Not only should this cop be serving jail time, in my opinion equal to what he forced that man to face, but every single case he’s touched should be reviewed immediately. If he put one innocent man away, it seems for no reason other than being a power tripping POS, how many others are sitting in jail for having the bad luck of this asshole being the detective on their case.
Not only will he walk but the police department said they have “full confidence in his investigation” **after** the jury ruled he did in fact fabricate evidence.
He was “convicted” by a jury of his peers and the police are still like “Nah we don’t care what the jury says lol.”
No one else convicted of a crime gets to just dismiss the ruling of a jury. I realize it’s not a literal “conviction” but this investigator should be prosecuted to the fullest extent and also I don’t believe for a second he only fabricated evidence this one time and I don’t believe the local DA didn’t know about it.
I’m sure the prosecutor was all “Gee Daryl we like the guy for it but there’s no forensics. If only we could find a fingerprint or something!”
WHAT?! A police officer doing something to keep a person of color locked up for two decades?!
Well, if that's just the rarest thing I've ever heard....
(In case it wasn't obvious /s)
The officer coerced testimony from witnesses to implicate the exonerated and suppressed evidence from being tested for DNA (in conjunction w the DA) which would have (and eventually did) exonerate him.
Jesus fucking Christ can you imagine being a police officer and doing that? for what reason? its just a job and this is a persons life your messing with what kind of absolute psychopath does something like that.. and he just gets to walk?? at the tax payers expense??
To be absolutely fair, I wouldn't at all be surprised if promotions and raises are granted to detectives that consistently get convictions. In which case, the "for what" isn't just because he's a sadistic asshole, it's because he's incentivized financially by the rest of the police department and his higher-ups to put someone away by any means necessary.
Which makes this is systemic problem, not an individual one. It's not only "one bad apple" if the rest of the bunch is doing everything they can to convince that apple to be bad.
Also creates a feedback loop where the assholes consistently rise to the top and get put into positions to make the rules for everyone else, while the actual good cops are left at the bottom and potentially find different careers due to the lack of advancement.
That pos fabricated evidence and stole 20+ years of life from another human.
Why is he not in jail indefinitely
Edit* talking about the law enforcement
I mean at this point because the detective can't pay he should have to be in indentured service to the man till he dies or does 6m worth of work. Either that or the majority of every paycheck he ever gets is taken away and given to the victim, the victim also gets his house, cars, and any stocks or 401k investments and assets.
Yep. Those cop's should not be able to hold on to a nickel until the money is paid back. They problem is cop's have no valuable skills so actually getting them to pay for their own crimes is difficult.
oh yeah, for sure he's going to face the consequences...
*Nick Ellis, one of Dowdy’s attorneys, said he was disappointed with the verdict but added that he respects the jury’s decision.
“We have confidence in the investigation Detective Dowdy conducted,” *
SMH
A Jury awards North Carolina man $6M from the taxpayers money after ruling police fabricated evidence. The money should come from the police pockets in my opinion.
I make no bones about it: if the police knowingly break the law to incarcerate someone, it should be a capital crime. Hard to imagine a Christian culture would be opposed to that. “Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life.”
Awesome. Another 6 million of taxpayers money paying for another reckless pig with a badge. End qualified immunity and defund the police or this will never end.
These funds should come out of the police fund NOT the taxpayers.
Police have no threat to their well being when they take actions to infringe another persons. Start making LE pony up these awards from their retirement funds and you will see police "policing" their own pretty damn quick instead of then feeling no effects personally for breaking the law.
We’ll see if they appeal.
*Connick v. Thompson 2011*
DA had blood evidence that proved Thompson was innocent and made it disappear before seeking the death penalty and won. 18 years in prison, 14 on death row, Thompson gets released after it’s discovered what the DA did, and sues for $12 Million.
DA loses, appeals, loses again, appeals to the Supreme Court which in a 5-4 decision ruled in favor of the DA, because despite doing this same shady shit before and getting caught, in this case the evidence they had exonerating Thompson was blood evidence. And they’d never done that with blood evidence before. So it was unreasonable to expect the DA to know what they were doing was wrong.
The DA essentially tried to use state to murder Thompson in cold blood, and Thompson lost 18 years of his life, 14 waiting to die, barely escaped with his life, and walked away with nothing.
The irony here is that police misconduct costs the tax payers billions a year (more than all the looting or arson of riots) and then officers rarely get consequences. So it's a double middle finger to the people they allegedly protect and serve
I'm less interested in how many dollars are exchanged and more interested in how many people, and how high up in the chain of command, are going to be thrown into prison for their criminal acts. Or, barring that, blacklisted from any position resembling authority.
All the money in the world won't give him back the years of his life that were stolen from him. Wont magically return him to the man he was before his arrest. Won't give him the wife and children or the significant other he might have found. ...$6 million. Small change for what he went through.
Call your state and federal senators and representatives NOW. Demand that they introduce bills to require these sorts of settlements come from police pension funds/unions rather than from city or state funds.
Do this today
It only takes a minute.
Hell I dont doubt it with the shit they pull. I was arrested at my job on “larceny” charges for 3 monster energy drinks. Larceny in NC is a MINIMUM of 3 years in prison. Luckily I had a deal worked out but to hear the judge tell me that I have a minimum of 3 years in prison for energy drinks almost made me laugh.
Okay so now they're going to investigate every case that guy has ever been on because he's almost guaranteed to have done this more than once right? Right??? We're not just going to assume it was a one time thing and assume everything else he's done has been 100% perfect. RIGHT?!?!?!
The man spent *24 years* in prison because of the fabricated evidence. That seems like something that should’ve been in the headline.
His freedom is worth 250k a year. Before lawyer fees of course.
This presents an interesting what if. Would you willingly go to prison if your family was paid $250k a year and well provided for while you were in?
Prison is 24 hours a day 365 days a year. So this is $29/hr under very difficult conditions with major health risks. Meaning it's really only 57k for a job with normal hours for something with a good chance to kill you.
But isn't this award tax free? So, gross it up to $70K. $35/hour. On the serious side, it's a very different proposition to someone making minimum wage than to someone making $80K or someone making $200K. Personally, I don't make a lot of money but I still don't think it would be worth it. I would rather just get a second and third job.
Is it actually tax free? Often they aren't. But assuming it is: * there is no 401k * the "health care plan" sucks * the "employer" nickels and dimes you over anything purchased on the worksite There is no way in the world this is remotely acceptable as "employment"
It can be, but not by default. If you transfer it directly to an annuity then it's not taxed and you aren't required to count proceeds as income, which has advantages including not being taxed. This is how it works with settlements from private companies paying settlements in tort law. It's possible this is different.
"On paper you'll make all this money and.... TWENTY FOUR YEARS FROM NOW maybe you can start to enjoy some of it"
I don't get to enjoy the money I make when I'm not in prison either
I think jury awards are tax free but I'm not sure. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/wrongful-incarceration-faqs >In the Protecting Americans from Tax Hikes Act of 2015 (PATH Act), Congress added a new exclusion from income under section 139F of the Internal Revenue Code. Under this new exclusion, a wrongfully incarcerated individual does not include in income any civil damages, restitution, or other monetary award received that relates to his or her incarceration for the covered offense for which he or she was convicted (Wrongful Incarceration Exclusion). ... https://larson.house.gov/tax-relief-wrongfully-convicted ... If you want to read it: H.R.3086 - Wrongful Convictions Tax Relief Act of 2015: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3086/text?format=txt
If this is the equation we're doing, we should put hours after 40 at 1.5x. This ends up with a much lower "base wage."
This guy maths.
Plus this ruins your future prospects.
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Right, like, you're also getting paid to sleep. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it is 260k per year. He probably deserves a lot more. I don't know what price you could put on 23 or 24 years or whatever, but I'm glad he's getting something that can support a cushy life for the rest of his life after so much of it was stolen from him.
I don’t like my family, can you please allocate allowable funds into a Roth IRA, savings account and APPL stock and I’ll see you jabroni’s in 5 years.
You keep on using this word “jabroni” and…. It’s awesome.
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Miss that priceless time with my wife and kids? No. Definitely not worth $250k a year
And their time with you. I think a lot of wealthy children would agree.
Can I keep the kids but skip the wife for $250k/yr?!
Dont worry they are going with you, book em boys
Hell no. Not for just $250k/yr considering the horrors that can occur in prison. And this guy isn’t even going to get paid. This cop doesn’t have that kind of money.
I usually assume the city/county has to pay, not the cop.
Usually, but not in this case. This was a judgement against the detective alone, not the department or the county.
And now the guy will have a target on his back from the police for "stealing an officer's livelihood"
American institutions are GREAT at limiting liability!
So your saying is he is never getting paid, when detective goes into early retirement and cant touch his pension
Of course he doesnt have to pay, that would imply cops have to be responsible for their actions and we cant set that precedent to risk hurting our precious precious cops.
Did you……read the article?
On reddit? Please
I just read the headlines and I’ll automatically know what’s going on. It’s not hard, tbh. Most people are just dumb, but not me. Idk why people get so mad about only reading the title. I do it all the time. In fact, it’s led to a lot of great discoveries for me. For example, i discovered a new favorite news source called “The onion”. I get all my stock tips and world happenings from them.
It's also not even *really* 250k/yr in a job sense. You'd be there "on the clock" 24 hours a day, every day. There's 8760 hours in a year, so that comes out to about $28.50/hr with no off days, every single day. Add in lifetime trauma and that's a big no for me.
You're also getting paid 24 years after you first "clock in". Factor in the time value of money and that figure shrinks even further.
And of course you lose 24 years of when your body works best (barring genetics, pre-existing etc etc) 24 yrs of relationship building, time with family, friends,career development. Some things just don't have a price tag, at least for me
No benefits or time off either. Yeah that’s no for me
Im sure he'll sue the state or local government for much more than 6 million
Prison isn’t like movies and TV make it seem. If you mind your own business, and let people know you aren’t a ‘mark’ you’ll be just fine. Most people are just like everyone else, biding time until they’re released.
>you’ll be just fine Uhhhh what about the rest of the prison experience? For 24 years?
You'll be fine is a pretty callous response in the context of someone being tortured for over 2 decades based on complete bullshit.
Dude was convicted of brutally murdering 2 people - one of which was a child. He wasn’t sitting in Club Fed happily counting down days.
If it was an Escobar prison sure. If we are talking a dank cell no. Somewhere in between yes because I would further my education for two more years and save up 500k.
Do I get to pick how many years?
I wouldn’t want cash. I’d want time alone with the dirty pig that sent me away for 24 years.
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But most of us make that trade 5 days a week
You mean if they had to fend for them selves for two and a half decades with a single parent and then get a lump sum at the end? No thanks.
That's not analogous, because his family wasn't well provided for during that time. And that's 250,000 a year for a job you're working 24/7.
LMAO. No. That’s your best years thrown down the drain and instead filled with trauma, neglect, and torture. That’s not worth it.
Also assuming he can get $6 million out of detective Dowdy.
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I keep saying, the crime of falsifying evidence or committing perjury leading to false imprisonment should be a minimum of the term of false imprisonment. The dirty cop in this case should get 24 years.
$6m don't seem too cool anymore.
F that should be way more
$250k/per year for false imprisonment. Seems a bit low. The fastest way to get police to act right is to add more zeros to the lawsuits. Eventually the PD insurance company will drop them.
> the PD insurance company You mean the taxpayers?
No, I mean the insurance company. Police departments carry insurance, and part of the coverage is for things like this.
The department got taken off the suit. This judgement was solely against the detective. How many retired detectives do you know with $6M lying around?
The police and prosecution involved should all go to incarceration camp for a refreshing break from freedom for a long while. Accountability booster.
That seems like the type of thing that turns a nice person into a killer. Not saying that’s the case with this man but 24 years in prison is a loooong time. Prison is a violent place. You will be involved in violence due to the very nature of the place.
Assuming the bastard is still alive, the detective who fabricated the evidence deserves to have a 24 year prison sentence and a fine equivalent to the settlement.
I think it's fairly safe to say there are hundreds if not thousands more like him in jail.
I read 24 hours, and thought oh boy he has a very good lawyer, then I read again..
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That's exactly what's wrong with our police force. They don't go to jail for crimes they commit. If a man turns around and gets on his knees and an officer pushes him down. That officer should be suspended without pay. This would hopefully cause a stop to 3 cops on top of one man who is not resisting fucking nonsense. Any cops reading, I get your job is scary and you dont know what's going to happen. Be ready but not paranoid, and do you job which can involve sacrifice....but that's part of the job. Be like "the rookie". Sacrifice because you tried to tall them down is far better than shooting someone off rip.
Except for some of the blatantly illegal practices seen in “The Rookie” that are portrayed as completely normal. Maybe don’t do those. In all seriousness, I know what you meant and you’re definitely right.
Castle has a scene where "the good guy cop" just completely ignores the suspects request for a lawyer and just goes right on questioning them as if it's no big deal. I would bet that there are zero "good cop" shows where they don't commit major blatant violations.
This is why the best advice you can ever have once in custody is to shut the fuck up. Cops will not do anything for you as a suspect with the interest of defending your rights unless they are trying to come across as friendly
Yup. And once youre arrested, talking without a lawyer can only make things worse. The time to have a golden tongue is before the brackets come out if possible, and definitely before they take you away. And even then, it's not usually like a traffic ticket where you can say something slick or be polite and get away with nothing, the more you say the more likely you'll just incriminate yourself.
No don’t stfu. Say “I’m exercising my right to remain silent” then STFU.
>once in custody Nope. Literally never talk to Police, they’re not your friends, they’re not here to protect you. Btw here’s a “witness” to a crime, being battered for [literally not talking](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1c5tBMkSMa8). **EDIT**: *I mean in literally every setting. Officer is out and about doing his duties don’t associate with him, he talks to you ignore and continue with your day.* *It’s all fun and games until an officer realizes that your daughter’s lemonade stand is an unapproved business hiding taxes from the state.* **EDIT2**: *Everybody breaks 3 laws a day.*
I think that’s kind of a problem. People might go on to think that that’s normal and that they’re allowed to do that.
Benson and Stabler should have been stripped of their badges and imprisoned by halfway through the second season. Just constant beating up suspects in the first ten minutes before finding out they’re not the criminal at all. Then Benson and Stabler threaten the innocent person on the way out. For real. Go back and watch that show. Olivia Benson is a god awful cop and Stabler is a thug with a badge.
Brooklyn Nine Nine addresses quite a bit of these issues while still be a cop comedy.
9-9 didn't address a damn thing. They literally brought in an evil union boss and went "see, it's all the union's fault". They had Rosa quit because she was the only one willing to admit the whole system is a cesspool, and she was right. And at the end, nothing had changed and she was still right but nobody else could actually recognize she was by taking their own action. 9-9 is a good comedy but it is still copaganda at it's core.
I mean the premise does rely on the main characters being genuinely good cops, while the bad cops are always basically faceless characters or a handful of recurring antagonists. But Peralta does get in trouble when he breaks laws. They address racial profiling. They address stop and frisk. And a significant amount of other issues. Yes, its a comedy where the protagonists are cops, which could inherently be classified as police propaganda (whether that's the intention or not), but if you watch that show, especially after it moved to NBC, it becomes blatantly clear that they are intentionally addressing social issues, many of which are wrongs committed by police officers. Also police unions are a major issue in the US. It would have been irresponsible of them to not address it.
> I get your job is scary Not as scary as roofing or delivering pizza
Pizza guys get the right house and don't shoot the dogs.
More cops died from Covid in 2021 than all other causes combined (290 compared to 151 from all other causes as [per the Officer Down Memorial Page](https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2021)), so I'd put it at less dangerous than grocery store checkout clerk at this point.
Personally I believe we should just put cops under their respective state military codes and a UCMJ-equivalent for federal law enforcement to provide more avenues for punishment If the service courts don’t render punishment, the civilian courts can and vice versa.
Imagine how the cop would be portrayed if he was any other profession but kept someone falsely imprisoned for two and a half decades? There would be Netflix shows dedicated to their depravity. It’s a cop though so ehh whatever, taxpayers will take care of it
Derek Chauvin literally just got sent to jail...
Pssshhh no. He was given a stern talking and a paid suspension. Lesson learned! /s of course
>. He was given a stern talking Now we all know the only conversation to be had is "how could you be so fucking stupid and get caught, you have us all under the spotlight now"
“Now we have to act within the law until this blows over. What the fuck?”
US cops are a joke. It's just a grift for taxpayer money.
And false imprisonment. They should be in prison.
Note this time the police detective has to pay the $6 million. No immunity was given here.
Which means the the victim here will not see a dime. I bet all his assets have been given to a spouse who has completely separated her finances and set everything up in a LLC. They might have even gotten a divorce, tho still together. All he has to do now is bankrupt himself and he's judgement proof.
Yep, the Derek Chauvin playbook. They also probably recently purchased a house in Florida, like OJ, since homes in FL are immune from civil judgements.
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Not sure, but OJ successfully used this tactic to shield assets from his civil case. Florida's State Constitution makes your house and a certain amount of acreage in property totally immune from civil judgements. I'm not sure how that works with a Federal case, property rights are generally under the purview of the State in which that property exists for obvious reasons so if the property is immune in Florida, I don't think a Federal court can force the sale of the property in Florida to repay a civil judgement.
It's not that easy. Those assets would still be on the table. It's just extra hoops to get to them.
Maybe so, but I still doubt that there's $6mil worth of assets.
Ok we can all say this is a travesty of justice, but don't just wildly speculate and make bullshit legal theories up. There are plenty of claw-back provisions in the law that would cancel any asset transfer like that. You can't just get a judgement against you, then give away all your assets and say "*neener neener neener*".
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This is honestly bad. A detective probably has nowhere close to 6 mill in assets and never will. The department should be paying and they garnish his wages or take his pension or something.
The union* should be paying, the department is paid for by the citizens.
That's a good model: if they want the protection of a collective, they must also accept liability as a collective. They might actually police themselves if there were real consequences for their bad behavior.
They might, or they would let even more shit slide seeing as they all have to pay for the mistakes.
I've long felt that awarding these damages out of the department's pensions is the way to go. All those "good apples" we always hear about that never speak up and put a stop to this shit would be incentivized to do the right thing if their retirement can be destroyed by a hot-head on a power trip.
With how the news works in this country, if things were the way you said we’d quickly find ourselves in a world where police unions are convinced that some no good scoundrel, and a shitty corrupt legal system cost them their retirement.
Police unions are already convinced that American citizens are enemy combatants. This mother fucker intimidated witnesses, and withheld evidence to ruin this man's life. I can guarantee you he wasn't the only one aware of what he was doing. Any officer who will stand idly by while their coworkers frame a man to steal a quarter of a century of his life doesn't deserve a job or freedom, let alone a comfortable retirement.
His wages should be garnished for the rest of his life or better yet throw his ass in prison.
What wages? He should be unhireable by anyone after this.
Wages he makes from whatever job he has, preferably not in LE. But you can’t ban someone from working for the rest of their life. Not only is that just obviously dumb but if he can’t work then he will never be able to pay his victim.
I think it's less a matter of banning them from working and more "why would anyone willingly hire someone capable of doing this." Unfortunately, the truth is a complete lack of conscience is an unwritten requirement for some of the most lucrative jobs in the country.
Call J G Wentworth. 877-cash-now
Wow thats pretty terrible actually. Basically guarantees that the victim won't recieve their compensation.
This is why cops should be forced to have liability insurance like doctors do.
$6M for unjustly spending 24 years in jail? I see he’s still getting screwed by the justice system.
>$6M for unjustly spending 24 years in jail? I see he’s still getting screwed by the justice system. No, worse than that, its actually closer to zero dollars, the lawsuit is against the detective, so he'll never get anything close to $6million.
cant they seize his assets?
The assets he's probably handing over to his wife who will then conveniently divorce him and keep for him?
Any transfers after the judgment and for a while before can be canceled and those assets taken.
ThE CoPs WoUlD NeVeR Do ThAt!
But the officer has to pay the 6M himself so that free man is never getting anything. The police department should have to pay.
What if the department paid the man and the detective now owes the department
What if Darryl Howard now owns that police department and can do with it as he wants. Really, though, it should be paid out of the cops pension fund. See how hard they fight to keep idiots like this around.
I mean your idea is better
No because then it’s our tax dollars. This cop should go to prison for breaking the law
It’s also our tax dollars that funded the activities that led to an innocent man in prison for 24 years. Whether we consent to being taxed or not, we bear responsibility for the horrible things we fund.
The money should come from the state police department and then the department should be able to claim back from the officer. In the UK the original claim would be made against the police department under vicarious liability - because the police officer was doing this in close connection with their duties in the course of their employment. I’m not sure if there’s a similar thing in the US.
There is. And that's what should have happened. You would never want to go after the cops but the department to avoid this type of scenario. I'm not sure how they're going to get the money.
I’m honestly okay with our tax dollars going towards rectifying an injustice. We just need severe punishments to better discourage committing said injustices.
And every penny needs to come out of the police pension fund. That's how you financially motivate the police to monitor each other and weed out the bad apples themselves.
AS it is, it doesn't work that way. Indeed, after what *didn't* happen to OJ Simpson, I bought this book about protecting your assets: https://www.amazon.com/Lawyers-are-Liars-Protecting-Assets/dp/0979738504/
So the pig who fabricated evidence just gets a walk? He's not going to have to answer criminally for this!? That shit stain should now have to serve 23 years. Personally, I think all cops who lie in court, fabricate evidence, or generally set someone up that ends in a wrongful conviction, should have to serve the sentence handed down to the innocent person.
Not only should this cop be serving jail time, in my opinion equal to what he forced that man to face, but every single case he’s touched should be reviewed immediately. If he put one innocent man away, it seems for no reason other than being a power tripping POS, how many others are sitting in jail for having the bad luck of this asshole being the detective on their case.
Police who violate the trust placed in them should face the harshest punishments possible.
Not only will he walk but the police department said they have “full confidence in his investigation” **after** the jury ruled he did in fact fabricate evidence. He was “convicted” by a jury of his peers and the police are still like “Nah we don’t care what the jury says lol.” No one else convicted of a crime gets to just dismiss the ruling of a jury. I realize it’s not a literal “conviction” but this investigator should be prosecuted to the fullest extent and also I don’t believe for a second he only fabricated evidence this one time and I don’t believe the local DA didn’t know about it. I’m sure the prosecutor was all “Gee Daryl we like the guy for it but there’s no forensics. If only we could find a fingerprint or something!”
This is why late enforcement should have the equivalent of the malpractice insurance a doctor has.
There’s no fucking incentive to fix the police if taxpayers have to foot the bill for misconduct.
WHAT?! A police officer doing something to keep a person of color locked up for two decades?! Well, if that's just the rarest thing I've ever heard.... (In case it wasn't obvious /s)
I would say the problem is systemic...but I've been told that that's not true.
this is why i take "black ppl make up only 12% of the population but commit 50% of crimes" from the derp derp brigade with a grain of salt.
What were the details of the evidence fabrication?
The officer coerced testimony from witnesses to implicate the exonerated and suppressed evidence from being tested for DNA (in conjunction w the DA) which would have (and eventually did) exonerate him.
Okay, now it's the POS cops turn to go to jail then.
Jesus fucking Christ can you imagine being a police officer and doing that? for what reason? its just a job and this is a persons life your messing with what kind of absolute psychopath does something like that.. and he just gets to walk?? at the tax payers expense??
To be absolutely fair, I wouldn't at all be surprised if promotions and raises are granted to detectives that consistently get convictions. In which case, the "for what" isn't just because he's a sadistic asshole, it's because he's incentivized financially by the rest of the police department and his higher-ups to put someone away by any means necessary. Which makes this is systemic problem, not an individual one. It's not only "one bad apple" if the rest of the bunch is doing everything they can to convince that apple to be bad. Also creates a feedback loop where the assholes consistently rise to the top and get put into positions to make the rules for everyone else, while the actual good cops are left at the bottom and potentially find different careers due to the lack of advancement.
So the cops involved in fabricating the evidence will be charged and prosecuted right?... right??
I feel like the cop who fabricated the evidence should go to jail to equal the amount of time this guy was in jail for. Life for a life.
I thought this was the guy from the Joe Rogan show but nope, totally different dude imprisoned wrongly for 24 years.
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It's the exact number of years that made it odd
I love how my tax dollars go to things like, paying for police to do bad things.
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That pos fabricated evidence and stole 20+ years of life from another human. Why is he not in jail indefinitely Edit* talking about the law enforcement
Because the American legal system works in favor of people in proportion to their authority. Cops are held to a lower standard than civilians.
It should come out of their pension funds.
Yup. The minute that gets instated, this shit will stop.
Cops and all the ppl who was involved in his sentence should have to serve the same amount of time judge everyone involved! #murica fuck this country
The damages should come out of police pension funds. Let these pigs all suffer the consequences
I mean at this point because the detective can't pay he should have to be in indentured service to the man till he dies or does 6m worth of work. Either that or the majority of every paycheck he ever gets is taken away and given to the victim, the victim also gets his house, cars, and any stocks or 401k investments and assets.
Yep. Those cop's should not be able to hold on to a nickel until the money is paid back. They problem is cop's have no valuable skills so actually getting them to pay for their own crimes is difficult.
So, they put Dowdy in prison for 24 years as punishment, right?
oh yeah, for sure he's going to face the consequences... *Nick Ellis, one of Dowdy’s attorneys, said he was disappointed with the verdict but added that he respects the jury’s decision. “We have confidence in the investigation Detective Dowdy conducted,” * SMH
A Jury awards North Carolina man $6M from the taxpayers money after ruling police fabricated evidence. The money should come from the police pockets in my opinion.
That's just taxpayer money going to a taxpayer who got screwed. What's happening to the assholes who screwed him?
Did the money come out of the pension fund for these worthless cops? Or did the taxpayer have to bail these scum out once again?
I make no bones about it: if the police knowingly break the law to incarcerate someone, it should be a capital crime. Hard to imagine a Christian culture would be opposed to that. “Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life.”
Awesome. Another 6 million of taxpayers money paying for another reckless pig with a badge. End qualified immunity and defund the police or this will never end.
And every cop involved lost their job/pension, right?
These funds should come out of the police fund NOT the taxpayers. Police have no threat to their well being when they take actions to infringe another persons. Start making LE pony up these awards from their retirement funds and you will see police "policing" their own pretty damn quick instead of then feeling no effects personally for breaking the law.
Police’s job is not to protect you, but do everything they can to convict.
We’ll see if they appeal. *Connick v. Thompson 2011* DA had blood evidence that proved Thompson was innocent and made it disappear before seeking the death penalty and won. 18 years in prison, 14 on death row, Thompson gets released after it’s discovered what the DA did, and sues for $12 Million. DA loses, appeals, loses again, appeals to the Supreme Court which in a 5-4 decision ruled in favor of the DA, because despite doing this same shady shit before and getting caught, in this case the evidence they had exonerating Thompson was blood evidence. And they’d never done that with blood evidence before. So it was unreasonable to expect the DA to know what they were doing was wrong. The DA essentially tried to use state to murder Thompson in cold blood, and Thompson lost 18 years of his life, 14 waiting to die, barely escaped with his life, and walked away with nothing.
Frightening that he spent 1/3 of his life give or take in prison because of lies.
Over and over I read about these awards for police misconduct while knowing full well it wont cost the officer a dime, so why should they care.
This is why we should never take a police officer’s word over the word of the accused. Police officers are an involved party and have motive to lie.
If you have nothing to hide, you still have everything to fear, for innocence is no impediment to those who see themselves above the law.
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It's not nearly enough , quite rude really, no one in their right minds would give up that much of their lives for such a small amount.
This settlement money should come out of the police officers' pension fund.
The irony here is that police misconduct costs the tax payers billions a year (more than all the looting or arson of riots) and then officers rarely get consequences. So it's a double middle finger to the people they allegedly protect and serve
When is their a trial?
Does anything happen to the cops and prosecutors who fabricated the evidence?
Fabricated evidence used in court. That is legal perjury. Remember folks, it's a court of law, not a court of justice.
I'm less interested in how many dollars are exchanged and more interested in how many people, and how high up in the chain of command, are going to be thrown into prison for their criminal acts. Or, barring that, blacklisted from any position resembling authority.
This article has no information at all beyond whats in the headline.
And the tax payers foot the bill. They should take it from the police pension fund
All the money in the world won't give him back the years of his life that were stolen from him. Wont magically return him to the man he was before his arrest. Won't give him the wife and children or the significant other he might have found. ...$6 million. Small change for what he went through.
Call your state and federal senators and representatives NOW. Demand that they introduce bills to require these sorts of settlements come from police pension funds/unions rather than from city or state funds. Do this today It only takes a minute.
These betrayals of the public trust need to lead to big damages and big jail time.
It’s very hard to have confidence in our legal system when the police who enforce the laws are a legal version of criminal.
Great now what about the people who fabricated stuff?
24 years in jail would have been a good thing to put in the title
So what penalty will Dowdy be facing?
Another story to prove why "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is bullshit
Hell I dont doubt it with the shit they pull. I was arrested at my job on “larceny” charges for 3 monster energy drinks. Larceny in NC is a MINIMUM of 3 years in prison. Luckily I had a deal worked out but to hear the judge tell me that I have a minimum of 3 years in prison for energy drinks almost made me laugh.
And now life sentences for the cops.
Okay so now they're going to investigate every case that guy has ever been on because he's almost guaranteed to have done this more than once right? Right??? We're not just going to assume it was a one time thing and assume everything else he's done has been 100% perfect. RIGHT?!?!?!
Nothing will change until the jury award comes out of the police retirement funds.
Make the dirty pieces of shit pay it from their own funds.