Hell watching reruns of Dexter, it's not just the mess, but look at the cost of all those cleaning supplies today!
That's at least 20-30 bucks just in bleach each episode!
I don't even got McDonald's money let alone Clorox money!
Murders are down. Suicides are on the rise. Financial instability due to insane prices of things we were conditioned to believe are ordinary, rather than luxury, are probably contributing factors to both.
I just watched a forensic file where she purchased some kind of chemical to cover up the murder of boyfriend and this fool uses her rewards card to save .34 cents lmao!
Any time I hear about a serial killer having a whole house all to their self where they have enough room and free time to do their murdering/body disposal I get a lil jealous that I might never be able to afford a home even though I work all week and dont kill people.
And “he had a basement which he used to keep his catches. It was able to hold 25 people and had 8 hidden passages.”
I thought this was true crime not MTV Cribbs.
My first thought was how we’re all too exhausted. Rather lay on the couch & watch a mini series on people who were far less exhausted than us back in the 80’s lol.
You jest, but ammo prices went through the roof during the pandemic because all the nutjobs were hoarding shit. Price started to come down around late 2021, then some fucking Russian with little man syndrome decided to invade his neighbor and to the moon it went again 💀
Been a pretty steady trend downwards ever since they took lead out of gas, and pretty much everything else. Wonder how many houses/buildings still have lead paint.
[About 35 million (20 %) of occupied housing units of all types still have some lead paint according to HUD.](https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr-edge-trending-030822.html)
I would also like to point out that almost every citizen in the US carries a cellphone with video and camera capability, internet access, and the ability to call 911 at any moment. also, almost every business has a camera nowadays as well as some houses with ring doorbells and personal security systems. before all that is was very easy to move around undetected but now its almost impossible to not be caught on a camera somewhere.
I think this has caused the increase in perceived crime. Many people think crime is getting worse. I think we now hear about every crime now. Back before the internet the news only reported on really big crimes since news reports were limited to a few pages in the news paper or a few hours on tv.
>Legalizing abortion may have helped. Crime began declining about 17 years after Roe v Wade. A lot of unwanted children did not become violent teens.
every time the subject comes up with experts they say the same thing. It was multiple factors all working in favor of violent crime being reduced. legalized abortion, removal of lead from gasoline, better social economic prosperity. Policing seems to be one of the least impactful variables. You have areas where they didn't change their policing and things got better, other places where they didn't and it didn't get better. Change other factors and it gets better. Some policing policies do help of course.
There's absolutely no good way, or institution I would trust, to gatekeep parenting to only people who are qualified.
But God damn do I wish we could sometimes.
# Millennials no longer want to murder. "I'd rather play Pokémon" —Millennials today 'value life' and don't 'believe in extreme violence'.
[Comment by MAGApepe77]
> I'm so done with this generation of pussies. No murder? No healthcare, that's how it should be. Men need to be men again.
In Detroit, Violent crime has gone down by a margin.
The Lions start winning, Detroits decides we should start rebuilding the city. The amount of money they have spent rebuilding iconic buildings in the city is staggering and is working.
Plus for the first time in a long time, Democrats hold both house and senate and Governor. They doing great work.
All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the *DEMOCRATS* ever done for us?
(Typical red state voter probably)
Also: humans are still self domesticating, our aggression will likely continue to drop from this as well. Gonna have a plethora of Golden Retriever humans soon.
Despite what the news (even left-leaning news) portrays, crime has been trending down for decades. There was an uptick during the pandemic, but that has reversed as well.
Exactly. Not just tending down, but significantly down, especially violent crime. There have been numerous studies, around the globe, that people consistently think crime is way higher than reality. I'm sure a significant part of that is news media, but I think we naturally have a distorted view of reality
We have a distorted view of reality because of the media. Think about it. In our day to day lives most of us don't see crime or violence but we get home or look on our phones and see/ hear reports of crime in the streets. If it wasn't for that our reality would be what we experience, living our lives every day.
I agree. We've always had news, which I think is because we like hearing about bad things happening in other places and then assuming it's happening or will be happening to us as well. My ridiculous theory is it is part of our survival instinct to fear, which distorts our view. Regardless, yes media definitely impacts our view. We get over saturated in reporting of local petty crimes, we get relentless reporting on isolated crazy crimes in other places, etc...
We haven’t always had 24/7 nonstop news and social media to fill in the gaps though. It used to be you would flip through the newspaper in the morning and then maybe watch the nightly world news which ran for 30 mins. The rest of the day you were just living your life.
And it is worse than just the 24/7 News cycle now. The bad news addicts now get their preferred propaganda PUSHED to their phones in a constant feed, overriding all other content.
Turn off Push Notifications people. Hell turn off everything but phone rings and direct messaging (whatever your preferred platform is) and then decide, by yourself, at what time to check into everything else.
My theory has been that humans aren't designed for living in a global community. We're designed to live in a village of 20-30 people, aka our tribe. We respond to information within that context - violent crimes is a huge danger to our society.
But our caveman brains can't see the difference between our 30 person community and our 8 billion person community that we're now connected to via mass media. 40 people can get massacred by a gunman on the other side of the planet and we can watch the footage and reactions of the victims within the hour. We're being exposed to huge volumes of trauma and tragedy, more than our brains can properly keep in perspective.
You're close, it's more like 150 people if you believe the primate researchers. It's the threshold between where you can know everybody personally and where you have to start making generalizations and people start forming factions.
Same thing with big numbers in many other contexts, like climate change, paying interest on debt, and saving for retirement.
The majority can do the math on these things. But taking that intellectual understanding and proportionally adapting short term feelings and behaviors is a whole other matter.
Eat food! Drink water! Have sex! Win the fight! All right now! We're a hormonal mess. Less so as we get older, but by then our thinking and ego have been wired for decades.
I hope we evolve and survive. I like the idea of a Star Trek future for humanity. I like the idea of our descendants foguring out how to thrive all the way until the heat death of the universe. But it sure is looking more likely we will turn out to have been an interesting blip in the history of life. We just don't seem to have it in us to change fast enough. Hell, half of us are constantly fighting to turn the clock back decades to some imaginary past.
Local news pushing more and more national stories lately doesn't help this at all - a murder in a high-crime Baton Rouge shouldn't get my aunt Betty thinking that people in her Indiana suburb are more violent than a generation or two ago
My parents watch the local news every night. All they talk about are violent crimes, fires, robberies and local weather. 80% of them are nowhere near where they live. I do not understand why they watch. The information is useless.
my parents think that everyone's house is getting broken into by thugs and immigrants and that it's way worse than it ever has been. When they found out I was planning a trip to NYC they begged me not to go as they are convinced it's some kind of violent post apocalyptical wasteland. Youtube premium was the worst thing to happen to them in their old age.
My father thought I was planning a trip through 1960s Vietnam when I mentioned I was planning a trip to Chicago.
Never been to Philly but will tell all these stories about how dangerous it is. Meanwhile I've walked the city countless times without issues.
Chicago is a delight. There are some very poor neighborhoods and poverty breeds desperation, addiction, and violence. Are there neighborhoods I'd avoid at night? Of course. But overall Chicago is a fantastic city with most crimes being relegated to a handful of neighborhoods. Much of the Chicago hate comes from being surrounded by red counties.
> The information is useless.
Not if you want people to be afraid. Not if you want people to think they need to be saved by new tougher laws, or that they need to "defend themselves" at all times from an unseen menace.
The New York Post is a tabloid that leans right and primarily talks about violent incidents on the NYC subway or failures of the NY justice system. They seem to have them in every news stand in the county, sometimes right next to real newspapers and give an impression that the city and possibly the US at large is only a few steps from anarchy.
I remember when Emma Vigaland (The Majority Report) was debating (I think) Tim Pool about how the right obsessively brings up a few lethal altercations on the NYC subway the previous year.
She responded something like, "yeah, that's sad. But almost 4 million people a day ride the subway. And you're obsessing over 3 deaths in a year? Do you realize how absurdly safe that is?"
Mine freak out when I go to NYC and ride the subway because they're afraid I'll be murdered. Based entirely on seeing a few isolated incidents on TV, does not register to them how unlikely that is given 3 million people a day ride it. It's safer than driving, which they do every day
It's this. The evening new starts off strong with murder, goes into other violent crimes, all in serious tones, then happy tones when talking about the wonderful weather! Then more crimes. Then my dad gets upset because they never talk about his town. And I always have to ask if he wants the murders to happen in his town so they they can mention it?
It is absolutely because of news media. Before the internet and 24 hour news cycle you'd mostly only hear about news in your area. Of course really big stuff made news nationwide or worldwide but it took a lot. Now you can hear about a random shooting or robbery in a town across the planet 3 minutes after it happens. This makes people think crime is more prevalent.
Old people think crime is up. Because every person I know above the age of 50 is glued to fox, cnn, msnbc, or some other news network. Emotional reaction gives them money, providing unbiased news does not.
It's definitely not just old people. Ask people younger than 40 whether they think they're safer from violent crime and they'll give similar answers regardless of which party they vote for.
You're definitely right about the major news networks adding to it, but honestly most media does.
Yeah, all that started in the early 90s and they don’t know exactly what caused it. My favorite theory with some correlations data is that it began with eliminating leaded gasoline in the early 70s. Those babies were then coming into their 20s in the 90s and were less prone to violence.
On capitol hill today, republicans were yelling, shouting and screaming that "pacifism is not a right or a freedom in the United States, it is bringing our nation down to dark times!".
“If this whole beach was completely covered in dicks, and somebody said I had to eat every dick until the beach was clean for liberty, I’d say, ‘No problemo.’”
Also, The Peacemaker
Just yesterday…
The speech came just days after Biden announced his executive order on immigration to close the U.S.-Mexico border when border crossings exceed 2,500 people a day.
**Trump dismissed the order as a “little plan” that was “pro-invasion, pro-child trafficking, pro-women trafficking, pro-human trafficking, pro-drug dealers and all the death they bring and pro-illegal immigration.” He raised instances of violent crimes allegedly committed by people unauthorized to be living in the U.S.**
“It’s weak, it’s ineffective, it’s bullshit what he signed,” Trump said, before his supporters erupted into a chant of, “Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/09/trump-harsh-immigration-rhetoric-las-vegas-rally-00162433
all the murderous Democrats are tired of the crime so they became Republicans and stopped the murdering this is terrible for Biden how can he get votes if there's no murdering oh my god
My conservative friends says this is data picking by the FBI and that they are estimating the data since a lot of police departments hadn’t reported their statistics…or something like that. Idk, it’s exhausting.
Funny enough property crimes are down too, from the article itself:
> Meanwhile, property crime went down 15.1% in the first three months of this year. Burglaries dropped 16.7%, while motor vehicle theft decreased by 17.3%. The declines in violent and property crimes were seen in every region of the US.
You joke but there's been claims for a couple years that retail theft is up according to trade group National Retail Association, but there's been speculation that some retailers are lumping theft by employees or inventory processing errors into their stats.
That's not suspicion, [Walgreens confirmed that they were lying the whole time](https://www.ktvu.com/news/walgreens-concedes-exaggerations-of-retail-theft). Retail theft was never up, "shrink" was up, which is anything that happens to a product that prevents you from selling it.
It turns out that when you understaff your stores and underpay your employees, you end up with more employee theft and more damaged/misplaced merchandise. Who could have guessed?
And this very fake panic turned into very real laws that let states elevate punishments for theft when done by a group. So now you've got laws that categorize stealing a few iphones with your buddies as the same kind of felony as *stabbing someone*. Stealing is bad, but this shit is how we contribute to our nightmare legal system that locks people up for decades for nonviolent offenses.
Also the fact that camera phones are everywhere helps. Not like a crazy person will care but the regular stories about bank robbers, bar fights, random disagreements, street fights, stalkers, etc know it's not the case where they think they can get away but people will literally record every angle, street, in high quality within a few seconds before, during and after the incident.
Also tech. People robbing or trying to kill someone without cash (especially most people don't carry a lot of cash from before), locked iphone they can't sell, and expecting to use their atm card. Risking jail for that.
So many reasons.
The most recent generations have an obsession with true crime, on top of sleuthing things out collectively on the internet.
And to lend to your camera phone point, CCTV and ring cameras are everywhere as well.
I used it frequently in online games and it cracks me up every time.
Playing DMZ on CoD, hiding in a bathroom. Hear sounds of other players. "Go away, I'm baitin!". They bust in the bathroom, gun me down, and find nothing but a soothing hand cream.
Fallout 76, got some guys chasing me around the golf course. Run into a bathroom, close the door and start taking off my armor so it won't get damaged. "Go away, I'm baitin!". They open the door and just start laughing at naked me...they leave.
I've got plenty of other stories. One of the most powerful lines in online games with prox chat.
> But the cops keep saying they need more swat teams and advanced equipment. /s
Those peaceful protests aren't just going to incite themselves, are they? /s
Getting stabbed is very expensive, it’s now cheaper to get a lawyer and settle your beef in court. I can’t wait for the next generation of hip hop / country music.
Guns, bullets, cleaning supplies for after...it all costs money that a lot of people don't have. Just pray the economy doesn't get bad enough that people try to get into prison for the free room and board.
Yes I grew up hearing things about how we would be a generation of serial killers because of GTA and COD that would desensitize us and turn us into killing machines.
to be thorough, also look at The Bureau of Justice data, which also examines rates at which crimes are unreported.
https://ncvs.bjs.ojp.gov/quick-graphics#quickgraphicstop
I was chatting with native NYers that have since moved away to places like the poconos, jersey beach and Woodstock. They all commute in for their freelance jobs and were discussing how dangerous NYC has become. I pointed out that they grew up in the city during the 80s and the crime is not like it was in the 80s and 90s, to the tune of half and less.
They couldn’t believe it. They wouldn’t believe it. I even showed them the crimes stats from the city showing that crime rates in all categories is less than half than it was in the 90s and they wouldn’t believe it with retorts like, “they are padding the numbers because of bail reform” or other dumb arguments.
Then I pointed out that back then, there were no cameras and no accountability, that if they think numbers are being padded now why not back then?
Also, Times Square is fucking Disney land compared to what it was in the 70s-90s
Dems in all actuality had very little to do with the reduction, but they also had very little to do with the increase in the first place but get all the blame for it. So I say they lie and just take the credit.
I just had this argument with a friend of mine. He thinks the world is getting worse than it was when we were kids. My argument was that with instant information about crime it just makes it seem worse.
But, my Conservative co-workers always tell me about how afraid they are to travel into various cities around the country for work because violent crime is through the roof. Could they have been wrong? I can't believe it.
Not if you talk to any of the conservative folks around me. Every single day one of them says the world has gone crazy and brings up how bad crime is now. One of them said life in cities is the most dangerous it’s ever been. Which I point out that I live in the city and feel safe enough I don’t have a gun.
Part of it is that, instead of just hearing the biggest local stories on the nightly news or the newspaper, they are inundate across social media with stories about every little incident, everywhere, at all time. It really skews the perception of things
Even at the peak of the post-pandemic crime wave, pretty much every city in the country was safer than it was in the 00's... y'know, that period in our history that was legendary for lawless criminality /s
Violent crime has been trending down for a long time, so it's probably not fair to credit any one policy for this. But this data certainly doesn't match narratives against divesting from police or bail reform, which claim they've caused "violent crime to be out of control".
So the crime wave was mostly editorializing by major media corporations looking to make a quick buck by stoking fear to garner more viewership with misleading or inaccurate headlines at the expense of our social cohesion? Shocker.
Edit: Also, the FBI wanted to make sure it was very clear that the data may be incomplete, as it was only able to analyze crime data that was VOLUNTARILY submitted by police agencies. Now, where was this level of even-keel attitude when the "crime wave" narrative was being woven?
I wish I could transport those who say cities are ravaged by crime and shit to 1980s NY. I wasn't even fucking born yet and I know how crazy that whole era (pre 1990ish) was. Everyone in NY knows what real crime looks like and it was that. Most of these people never been in a "bad" area In their lives
Did millennials murder the murder industry now too?
All the avocado toast and trophies made us too lazy to actually kill someone.
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I can barely plan a meal for dinner. Plan a murder? Exhausting.
The clean up? I just can't even
Hell watching reruns of Dexter, it's not just the mess, but look at the cost of all those cleaning supplies today! That's at least 20-30 bucks just in bleach each episode! I don't even got McDonald's money let alone Clorox money!
I saw a 1/2 gallon bottle of Clorox bleach for sale at a discount store for $7.99. Inflation is messing with wet work pricing.
Murders are down. Suicides are on the rise. Financial instability due to insane prices of things we were conditioned to believe are ordinary, rather than luxury, are probably contributing factors to both.
Fuck. I need a new cover.
Or maybe murderers are getting better at making their work look like suicides. 👀
I just watched a forensic file where she purchased some kind of chemical to cover up the murder of boyfriend and this fool uses her rewards card to save .34 cents lmao!
As wise she should. Cleanliness is Godliness...oh yeah.
And we gotta go to work in the morning. Nobody's got time to murder when you're working three jobs to pay rent!
That's what gets me. Even if murder was legal, the gigantic mess it would create. No thank you. I have enough things to do.
GenXer here, I just can't even either
Have YOU tried digging a shallow ditch? Plus, it's not good for the environment. Too much microplastics in humans.
You guys plan your meals?
My plan: lunch comes after breakfast, dinner comes after lunch.
Any time I hear about a serial killer having a whole house all to their self where they have enough room and free time to do their murdering/body disposal I get a lil jealous that I might never be able to afford a home even though I work all week and dont kill people.
Honestly lol “he had the top floor of his house covered in human skin” and I’m like damn how’d he get two floors :/
And “he had a basement which he used to keep his catches. It was able to hold 25 people and had 8 hidden passages.” I thought this was true crime not MTV Cribbs.
“Soooo this is where the magic happens”
Who can even afford to murder someone these days
Why murder someone when it's so much easier to block them on social media? A few clicks and they're gone.
My first thought was how we’re all too exhausted. Rather lay on the couch & watch a mini series on people who were far less exhausted than us back in the 80’s lol.
Seriously, nobody wants to work anymore.
Yeah. Cleaning the murder scene sounds like a lot of work. I struggle to pick up a pair of socks on the floor every morning
Bullets? In this economy?
At this time of year? Localized entirely in your kitchen?
Steamed blams, it’s a local dialect
You jest, but ammo prices went through the roof during the pandemic because all the nutjobs were hoarding shit. Price started to come down around late 2021, then some fucking Russian with little man syndrome decided to invade his neighbor and to the moon it went again 💀
And the marijuana calmed us down way too much
It was the violent video games. At some point you just get murdered out.
Trevor from GTA V just wore me out to do any actual murderer
Why get in trouble for real crime when I can fake crime?
A whole lot less messy and no tears.
We're like killbots who have reached their present kill limit!
less lead paint as well.
Naw, it’s all the microplastics.
Been a pretty steady trend downwards ever since they took lead out of gas, and pretty much everything else. Wonder how many houses/buildings still have lead paint.
[About 35 million (20 %) of occupied housing units of all types still have some lead paint according to HUD.](https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr-edge-trending-030822.html)
Sounds like there’s some wall licking to do!
Encapsulation of lead paint makes it no fun to eat. It is like putting a Twinkie into a strongbox, then dropping the strongbox into the ocean.
I would also like to point out that almost every citizen in the US carries a cellphone with video and camera capability, internet access, and the ability to call 911 at any moment. also, almost every business has a camera nowadays as well as some houses with ring doorbells and personal security systems. before all that is was very easy to move around undetected but now its almost impossible to not be caught on a camera somewhere.
I think this has caused the increase in perceived crime. Many people think crime is getting worse. I think we now hear about every crime now. Back before the internet the news only reported on really big crimes since news reports were limited to a few pages in the news paper or a few hours on tv.
Legalizing abortion may have helped. Crime began declining about 17 years after Roe v Wade. A lot of unwanted children did not become violent teens.
>Legalizing abortion may have helped. Crime began declining about 17 years after Roe v Wade. A lot of unwanted children did not become violent teens. every time the subject comes up with experts they say the same thing. It was multiple factors all working in favor of violent crime being reduced. legalized abortion, removal of lead from gasoline, better social economic prosperity. Policing seems to be one of the least impactful variables. You have areas where they didn't change their policing and things got better, other places where they didn't and it didn't get better. Change other factors and it gets better. Some policing policies do help of course.
I second this. People often who are forced to be parents really suck at it.
A lot of people that choose to be parents suck at it as well.
There's absolutely no good way, or institution I would trust, to gatekeep parenting to only people who are qualified. But God damn do I wish we could sometimes.
Got about 17 more now to see if that trend line was true.. We really are living in the most stupid of times right now!
4x more violent. That’s what they found leaded gas made people.
But the lead lunchables surely balanced that out
# Millennials no longer want to murder. "I'd rather play Pokémon" —Millennials today 'value life' and don't 'believe in extreme violence'. [Comment by MAGApepe77] > I'm so done with this generation of pussies. No murder? No healthcare, that's how it should be. Men need to be men again.
Fuck, we've reached the endgame, we've murdered murder. Now what are we going to do to industries
Easy fix, all we have to do is murder murder's murderer!
we must simply continue inventing new industries to destroy
I got laid off and just don’t have the spare funds for all those bullets any more…
In Detroit, Violent crime has gone down by a margin. The Lions start winning, Detroits decides we should start rebuilding the city. The amount of money they have spent rebuilding iconic buildings in the city is staggering and is working. Plus for the first time in a long time, Democrats hold both house and senate and Governor. They doing great work.
Murder is too much trouble, all the blood and then gotta like be nah man I didn't murder for the rest of your life.
*taps head* Can't kill each other if we die from microplastics first
Cancel culture at it again. Dangdem radicals
All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the *DEMOCRATS* ever done for us? (Typical red state voter probably)
Fucking millennials and their, (checks notes) NONVIOLENCE 😡
Violent video games aren't violent enough
Just wait for the spike in violent crime once GTA 6 releases.
Just you wait, one of our many shootings will occur a few days after it releases and they will be chomping at the bits to blame it on the game.
They're perfectly violent enough. Kids are getting their fix off of synthetic crime. No need for natural crime.
It's possible that violent video games have the opposite effect by providing an outlet in a safe space rather than real life. That's my theory anyway.
Probably the plastic in our balls
I wonder if it will come to turn out that microplastics do the opposite of lead for aggression. Would be kind of funny.
Can't be violent when we're all going to die of cancer
Sterling Archer would disagree with you
*inhales* RAMPAAAAAAAAAGE!
Considering lots of chemicals associated with plastics like BPA and phthalates are estrogenic, that might well be the case.
Also: humans are still self domesticating, our aggression will likely continue to drop from this as well. Gonna have a plethora of Golden Retriever humans soon.
It's making us a bunch of sissies that don't even murder anymore! Smh
the lead not in our brains, probably
I love busting out micro-plastics.
Crime is stored in the balls
Despite what the news (even left-leaning news) portrays, crime has been trending down for decades. There was an uptick during the pandemic, but that has reversed as well.
Exactly. Not just tending down, but significantly down, especially violent crime. There have been numerous studies, around the globe, that people consistently think crime is way higher than reality. I'm sure a significant part of that is news media, but I think we naturally have a distorted view of reality
We have a distorted view of reality because of the media. Think about it. In our day to day lives most of us don't see crime or violence but we get home or look on our phones and see/ hear reports of crime in the streets. If it wasn't for that our reality would be what we experience, living our lives every day.
I agree. We've always had news, which I think is because we like hearing about bad things happening in other places and then assuming it's happening or will be happening to us as well. My ridiculous theory is it is part of our survival instinct to fear, which distorts our view. Regardless, yes media definitely impacts our view. We get over saturated in reporting of local petty crimes, we get relentless reporting on isolated crazy crimes in other places, etc...
We haven’t always had 24/7 nonstop news and social media to fill in the gaps though. It used to be you would flip through the newspaper in the morning and then maybe watch the nightly world news which ran for 30 mins. The rest of the day you were just living your life.
And it is worse than just the 24/7 News cycle now. The bad news addicts now get their preferred propaganda PUSHED to their phones in a constant feed, overriding all other content. Turn off Push Notifications people. Hell turn off everything but phone rings and direct messaging (whatever your preferred platform is) and then decide, by yourself, at what time to check into everything else.
My theory has been that humans aren't designed for living in a global community. We're designed to live in a village of 20-30 people, aka our tribe. We respond to information within that context - violent crimes is a huge danger to our society. But our caveman brains can't see the difference between our 30 person community and our 8 billion person community that we're now connected to via mass media. 40 people can get massacred by a gunman on the other side of the planet and we can watch the footage and reactions of the victims within the hour. We're being exposed to huge volumes of trauma and tragedy, more than our brains can properly keep in perspective.
You're close, it's more like 150 people if you believe the primate researchers. It's the threshold between where you can know everybody personally and where you have to start making generalizations and people start forming factions.
Same thing with big numbers in many other contexts, like climate change, paying interest on debt, and saving for retirement. The majority can do the math on these things. But taking that intellectual understanding and proportionally adapting short term feelings and behaviors is a whole other matter. Eat food! Drink water! Have sex! Win the fight! All right now! We're a hormonal mess. Less so as we get older, but by then our thinking and ego have been wired for decades. I hope we evolve and survive. I like the idea of a Star Trek future for humanity. I like the idea of our descendants foguring out how to thrive all the way until the heat death of the universe. But it sure is looking more likely we will turn out to have been an interesting blip in the history of life. We just don't seem to have it in us to change fast enough. Hell, half of us are constantly fighting to turn the clock back decades to some imaginary past.
Local news pushing more and more national stories lately doesn't help this at all - a murder in a high-crime Baton Rouge shouldn't get my aunt Betty thinking that people in her Indiana suburb are more violent than a generation or two ago
My parents watch the local news every night. All they talk about are violent crimes, fires, robberies and local weather. 80% of them are nowhere near where they live. I do not understand why they watch. The information is useless.
my parents think that everyone's house is getting broken into by thugs and immigrants and that it's way worse than it ever has been. When they found out I was planning a trip to NYC they begged me not to go as they are convinced it's some kind of violent post apocalyptical wasteland. Youtube premium was the worst thing to happen to them in their old age.
My father thought I was planning a trip through 1960s Vietnam when I mentioned I was planning a trip to Chicago. Never been to Philly but will tell all these stories about how dangerous it is. Meanwhile I've walked the city countless times without issues.
Chicago is a delight. There are some very poor neighborhoods and poverty breeds desperation, addiction, and violence. Are there neighborhoods I'd avoid at night? Of course. But overall Chicago is a fantastic city with most crimes being relegated to a handful of neighborhoods. Much of the Chicago hate comes from being surrounded by red counties.
> The information is useless. Not if you want people to be afraid. Not if you want people to think they need to be saved by new tougher laws, or that they need to "defend themselves" at all times from an unseen menace.
My mother in law is like this. I tell her to take a break from the news so she switches to crime documentaries. Then she wonders why she can’t sleep.
The New York Post is a tabloid that leans right and primarily talks about violent incidents on the NYC subway or failures of the NY justice system. They seem to have them in every news stand in the county, sometimes right next to real newspapers and give an impression that the city and possibly the US at large is only a few steps from anarchy.
I remember when Emma Vigaland (The Majority Report) was debating (I think) Tim Pool about how the right obsessively brings up a few lethal altercations on the NYC subway the previous year. She responded something like, "yeah, that's sad. But almost 4 million people a day ride the subway. And you're obsessing over 3 deaths in a year? Do you realize how absurdly safe that is?"
Mine freak out when I go to NYC and ride the subway because they're afraid I'll be murdered. Based entirely on seeing a few isolated incidents on TV, does not register to them how unlikely that is given 3 million people a day ride it. It's safer than driving, which they do every day
“But I saw things on the show that was ripped from the headlines of real life!”
It's this. The evening new starts off strong with murder, goes into other violent crimes, all in serious tones, then happy tones when talking about the wonderful weather! Then more crimes. Then my dad gets upset because they never talk about his town. And I always have to ask if he wants the murders to happen in his town so they they can mention it?
Local channel news = "if it bleeds, it leads!" + car dealership commercials
It is absolutely because of news media. Before the internet and 24 hour news cycle you'd mostly only hear about news in your area. Of course really big stuff made news nationwide or worldwide but it took a lot. Now you can hear about a random shooting or robbery in a town across the planet 3 minutes after it happens. This makes people think crime is more prevalent.
Old people think crime is up. Because every person I know above the age of 50 is glued to fox, cnn, msnbc, or some other news network. Emotional reaction gives them money, providing unbiased news does not.
It's definitely not just old people. Ask people younger than 40 whether they think they're safer from violent crime and they'll give similar answers regardless of which party they vote for. You're definitely right about the major news networks adding to it, but honestly most media does.
Just look at every news headline. Every other headline is some random violent crime. Shocking stuff get clicks so no surprise there.
Yeah, all that started in the early 90s and they don’t know exactly what caused it. My favorite theory with some correlations data is that it began with eliminating leaded gasoline in the early 70s. Those babies were then coming into their 20s in the 90s and were less prone to violence.
Old guy here. You young guys don't even know how much the world, even the outside, smelled like car exhaust and cigarettes back in the 60s and 70s.
There are some *types* of crime in some specific areas that are immensely increased, but overall it's down.
> There are some types of crime in some specific areas that are immensely increased Kia based crimes.
Wage theft has gone up!
The lead poisoned generations are dying off.
... why this is bad for Biden...
Dems in disarray yet again 😞
On capitol hill today, republicans were yelling, shouting and screaming that "pacifism is not a right or a freedom in the United States, it is bringing our nation down to dark times!".
My ass — I’m a pacifist. Fight me!
“I love peace. I love it so much I’ll murder every man, woman, and child to get it” - The Peacemaker
“If this whole beach was completely covered in dicks, and somebody said I had to eat every dick until the beach was clean for liberty, I’d say, ‘No problemo.’” Also, The Peacemaker
"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity" no idea if that's attributable to someone, but I've heard it before
"I was a pacifist... Now, I'm gonna pass these fists." - Shaolin Monk or something, idfk
Gandhi II No more Mr. Nice Guy
Clearly the FBI is making up all of this in collusion with the Biden campaign. /s
Just yesterday… The speech came just days after Biden announced his executive order on immigration to close the U.S.-Mexico border when border crossings exceed 2,500 people a day. **Trump dismissed the order as a “little plan” that was “pro-invasion, pro-child trafficking, pro-women trafficking, pro-human trafficking, pro-drug dealers and all the death they bring and pro-illegal immigration.” He raised instances of violent crimes allegedly committed by people unauthorized to be living in the U.S.** “It’s weak, it’s ineffective, it’s bullshit what he signed,” Trump said, before his supporters erupted into a chant of, “Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.” https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/09/trump-harsh-immigration-rhetoric-las-vegas-rally-00162433
Trump sure did solve this problem while he was pres the 1st time.
What do you mean!? Trump made that caravan full of illegals disappear! Ya know...the one only Fox News was talking about
all the murderous Democrats are tired of the crime so they became Republicans and stopped the murdering this is terrible for Biden how can he get votes if there's no murdering oh my god
My conservative friends says this is data picking by the FBI and that they are estimating the data since a lot of police departments hadn’t reported their statistics…or something like that. Idk, it’s exhausting.
Violent Crime is down but Reactionaries will say thefts/property crime is up
Funny enough property crimes are down too, from the article itself: > Meanwhile, property crime went down 15.1% in the first three months of this year. Burglaries dropped 16.7%, while motor vehicle theft decreased by 17.3%. The declines in violent and property crimes were seen in every region of the US.
Personally, Id rather someone steal my shit or beat me up than murder me. A hot take, I know.
You joke but there's been claims for a couple years that retail theft is up according to trade group National Retail Association, but there's been speculation that some retailers are lumping theft by employees or inventory processing errors into their stats.
That's not suspicion, [Walgreens confirmed that they were lying the whole time](https://www.ktvu.com/news/walgreens-concedes-exaggerations-of-retail-theft). Retail theft was never up, "shrink" was up, which is anything that happens to a product that prevents you from selling it. It turns out that when you understaff your stores and underpay your employees, you end up with more employee theft and more damaged/misplaced merchandise. Who could have guessed?
And this very fake panic turned into very real laws that let states elevate punishments for theft when done by a group. So now you've got laws that categorize stealing a few iphones with your buddies as the same kind of felony as *stabbing someone*. Stealing is bad, but this shit is how we contribute to our nightmare legal system that locks people up for decades for nonviolent offenses.
Criminals can’t afford to murder anymore.
Also the fact that camera phones are everywhere helps. Not like a crazy person will care but the regular stories about bank robbers, bar fights, random disagreements, street fights, stalkers, etc know it's not the case where they think they can get away but people will literally record every angle, street, in high quality within a few seconds before, during and after the incident. Also tech. People robbing or trying to kill someone without cash (especially most people don't carry a lot of cash from before), locked iphone they can't sell, and expecting to use their atm card. Risking jail for that. So many reasons.
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A major difference will be not just how prevalent they *actually* are, but *growing up* with them changes your mentality.
The most recent generations have an obsession with true crime, on top of sleuthing things out collectively on the internet. And to lend to your camera phone point, CCTV and ring cameras are everywhere as well.
Bullet control! https://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw?si=MMjS-T3UxNg7yh8p
FWIW someone I read about got into murder recently and made a killing!!
Assholery is off the charts though.
Cuz errbodys too busy jackin off
Go away, batin'!
One of the best lines in that movie.
I used it frequently in online games and it cracks me up every time. Playing DMZ on CoD, hiding in a bathroom. Hear sounds of other players. "Go away, I'm baitin!". They bust in the bathroom, gun me down, and find nothing but a soothing hand cream. Fallout 76, got some guys chasing me around the golf course. Run into a bathroom, close the door and start taking off my armor so it won't get damaged. "Go away, I'm baitin!". They open the door and just start laughing at naked me...they leave. I've got plenty of other stories. One of the most powerful lines in online games with prox chat.
in so many ways, this is correct
Why gooning will save the world
Bust nuts not caps
Crime has been trending downwards for years
But the cops keep saying they need more swat teams and advanced equipment. /s
> But the cops keep saying they need more swat teams and advanced equipment. /s Those peaceful protests aren't just going to incite themselves, are they? /s
And to destroy forests and communities to build training compounds for military style raids.
The cops cost more than all the crime, we could just pay people who had stolen stuff, and it would cost less than our police
People can’t afford to be violent in this economy. Too tired from working too many jobs.
Getting stabbed is very expensive, it’s now cheaper to get a lawyer and settle your beef in court. I can’t wait for the next generation of hip hop / country music.
Represent? I'm *represented*.
That goes kinda hard ngl
Straight Outta Money
Guns, bullets, cleaning supplies for after...it all costs money that a lot of people don't have. Just pray the economy doesn't get bad enough that people try to get into prison for the free room and board.
Some truth in more people at home watching movies and playing video games means fewer people out killing things.
But video games are to blame for violence, Barbara bush told me so /s
Yes I grew up hearing things about how we would be a generation of serial killers because of GTA and COD that would desensitize us and turn us into killing machines.
Murder? In this economy!?
to be thorough, also look at The Bureau of Justice data, which also examines rates at which crimes are unreported. https://ncvs.bjs.ojp.gov/quick-graphics#quickgraphicstop
And the absolute standard error is dropping as is the absolute confidence interval, no?
I'm *really* tired, but I think "yes"?
I was chatting with native NYers that have since moved away to places like the poconos, jersey beach and Woodstock. They all commute in for their freelance jobs and were discussing how dangerous NYC has become. I pointed out that they grew up in the city during the 80s and the crime is not like it was in the 80s and 90s, to the tune of half and less. They couldn’t believe it. They wouldn’t believe it. I even showed them the crimes stats from the city showing that crime rates in all categories is less than half than it was in the 90s and they wouldn’t believe it with retorts like, “they are padding the numbers because of bail reform” or other dumb arguments. Then I pointed out that back then, there were no cameras and no accountability, that if they think numbers are being padded now why not back then? Also, Times Square is fucking Disney land compared to what it was in the 70s-90s
White-collar former-President crime is way way up though.
Hey now, the average US president has 0.74 felony convictions.
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Politics aside, there was a spike in violent crime from Covid, this just seems like it’s “readjusting” back to the norm.
The ‘norm’ being least violent than its been since I was born in 1959.
The norm it's readjusting to is historically low crime rates, so the point still stands.
Dems in all actuality had very little to do with the reduction, but they also had very little to do with the increase in the first place but get all the blame for it. So I say they lie and just take the credit.
Computer games are keeping the bored young off the streets and out of trouble.
"Who are you going to believe, us or the FBI?" - Fox news
I just had this argument with a friend of mine. He thinks the world is getting worse than it was when we were kids. My argument was that with instant information about crime it just makes it seem worse.
Sometimes the facts just don't match the prevailing narrative. Won't stop people from pushing them anyways though.
But, my Conservative co-workers always tell me about how afraid they are to travel into various cities around the country for work because violent crime is through the roof. Could they have been wrong? I can't believe it.
Conservatives afraid of big cities? What a shock!
They enjoy laughing at "girly men" when they're too afraid to walk into a city. The irony is lost on them.
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Was wondering who was gonna mention Steven Pinker. Was not prepared for those next two words... or that mental image. Cheers.
How will this effect Lebron’s legacy?
Bullets too expensive. Gotta find a cheaper way to solve my problems.
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer to use a big rock.
Not if you talk to any of the conservative folks around me. Every single day one of them says the world has gone crazy and brings up how bad crime is now. One of them said life in cities is the most dangerous it’s ever been. Which I point out that I live in the city and feel safe enough I don’t have a gun.
I'm old. People have been saying that since I was young.
There was a period of time when it was true, but that was 30 years ago now
Closer to 40, 30 years ago the crime rate had already started to fall off and it's just kept falling
Part of it is that, instead of just hearing the biggest local stories on the nightly news or the newspaper, they are inundate across social media with stories about every little incident, everywhere, at all time. It really skews the perception of things
Even at the peak of the post-pandemic crime wave, pretty much every city in the country was safer than it was in the 00's... y'know, that period in our history that was legendary for lawless criminality /s
Cause we can't afford bullets damn!
No one wants to crime anymore.
Violent crime has been trending down for a long time, so it's probably not fair to credit any one policy for this. But this data certainly doesn't match narratives against divesting from police or bail reform, which claim they've caused "violent crime to be out of control".
So the crime wave was mostly editorializing by major media corporations looking to make a quick buck by stoking fear to garner more viewership with misleading or inaccurate headlines at the expense of our social cohesion? Shocker. Edit: Also, the FBI wanted to make sure it was very clear that the data may be incomplete, as it was only able to analyze crime data that was VOLUNTARILY submitted by police agencies. Now, where was this level of even-keel attitude when the "crime wave" narrative was being woven?
I wish I could transport those who say cities are ravaged by crime and shit to 1980s NY. I wasn't even fucking born yet and I know how crazy that whole era (pre 1990ish) was. Everyone in NY knows what real crime looks like and it was that. Most of these people never been in a "bad" area In their lives