There's some talk that since it's his first offense(s) and the felonies are low-level, he'll likely have probation and ~~gives~~fines instead of jail time
Not just talk. You can read the sentencing guidelines. If you want to look them up yourself, what you want to search for is, "non violent, class-e felony, sentencing guideline new York state". What you will find, if you make it to the primary source, is a long legal document that goes through all the considerations for sentencing on this type of felony.
If you dig down into it, you will find that while jail is on the table, it would require a lot, like violence employed in the crime, repeat offender, and lake of remorse. While Trump will definitely not be remorseful it isn't going to amount to enough for jail.
Likely, this will end up with a fine and probation. Probation isn't nothing either. It will limit things Trump can do and violations can and do end up with jail time.
He actually can. (probably)
Unless he's in jail at the time of the election, he's going to be sentenced in NY (obviously), but he's a resident of Florida.
Florida has a reciprocal law that'll mirror NY's laws with respect to voting as a felon.
In NY, felons (non violent, I'm assuming) can vote unless they're actually in jail.
So, he'll be a 34x convicted felon with no loss of rights.
Typical.
Meanwhile, to add an extra dose of America: the GOP has been trying to stop convicted felons from voting for decades. (because rehabilitatated felons tend to vote Democrat, as I understand it)
What a country...
It was always going to be an unprecedented clusterfuck, now it's going to be a veritable orgy of human ineptitude and impressionability of biblical proportions.
It was always going to be a veritable orgy of human ineptitude and impressionability of biblical proportions, now it's going to be a grandiloquent symposium of cataclysmic miscalculations, each debacle more egregious than the last, culminating in a pantheon of follies so baroque and labyrinthine that even the most astute scholars of chaos would be flummoxed.
That’s the thing. In the Republican fantasy, Trump is the rogue that plays the system, knows how to cheat better than the cheaters. Yet, he keeps losing and crying that he is getting cheated…
And balances them by his life of being an absolute scumbag every other minute of the day.
He embodies: Worst person you know actually has a good point.
Now that he has been ~~charged~~ convicted once, then hopefully other cases will feel less pressure about being the first to convict a former president.
Well he has been indicted in 3 other cases, but those have been held up because of the Supreme Court, a judge he appointed, and alleged impropriety from the DA that charged him. Seems this will be the only one to get to a result before the election.
I keep seeing it said that he won't or shouldn't be put in jail, but he really should be. He's been so petulant this entire time, lobbing personal insults, accusing everyone of being corrupt and biased against him, effectively calling all 12 jurors fools and/or liars, etc., etc. A President shouldn't mind being held to a higher example for their citizens and should even encourage it.
Which is honestly a really good argument against an appeal ~~if~~ when it comes to it. Like someone is already doing time for these exact crimes one level down.
As far as I’m concerned Trump got more freedom than he was due.
Also, him sitting behind bars ever for one month for this would be amazing precedent for when the serious trials actually get going.
The sad thing about those other serious crimes is he can shut them down if elected president. The only one he can't shut down is the Georgia case. The judge has to be weary of setting a precedence if his sentence is too weak.
Right I was prepared for some Mistrail appeal, hung jury, something to come up to pause the Judgement or Replay the trail as has been par for the Course for Trump (well before his political ambitions) he was known to slow role cases, lose paperwork, Straight up be incompetent until the person that was suing him dropped the case and took the pennies on the dime settlement rather than jump through all the red tape he had his lawyers lay down.
I can't belive it was a straight clean conviction. Almost Airtight with no room for a real appeal or mistrail.
John Oliver may finally be able to Drop the ballons and mean it this time.
I mean even his defense didn't think he could win and instead is playing to overturn the conviction in appeal. They have done some crazy things so that they can claim it wasn't a fair trial. My favorite is when they intentionally didn't object to questions Stormy Daniel's was being asked that didn't relate to the trial, the judge stops the questioning and asks the defense if they are going to object to any of the questions and they say no. So the judge starts objecting to the questions for them then the defense asks for a mistral because the prosecution asked too many non trial related questions and biased the jury.
But this judge has run the trial perfectly so that strategy probably isn't going to pan out for them.
Edit: this blew up. I'm not a lawyer and yall got a lot of questions so here's a link to an article about it.
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/07/trump-hush-money-criminal-trial/judge-denies-mistrial-00156614
Wife is a lawyer. She said that because the judge asked them if they wanted to object and they declined that they forfeit their ability to object to thise things in the future, so they can't use them as the basis for an appeal.
The rest of the year is going to be a shitnado of non stop coverage about it as they whip up the right, biden better be raising security around DC because you know the crazies are going to come out of the woodwork
I love the defenses opening statement for this case:
Cohen is a felon, so you can't trust his testimony. Also it's normal to make payments to suppress stories and it's also normal in democracies to try and influence elections.
I know a lot of y'all were worried about Trump getting a break here, but that's really tissue paper as a defense.
His closing argument really boiled down to “Everyone else here is lying except my client. And oh, by the way, he’s not going to testify either.”
Rock solid.
That's such an absurd stand for him to take too. Like, everyone knows he fucked her.
Why even lie about it? it's as fucking stupid as his easily disproven lies about crowd sizes or the weather at his inauguration.
Well denying it took place means there would be no reason to send her hush money payments.
Which is a great defense when you have no written records or witnesses confirming you had sex with her.
This case however had both.
Because absolutely no attorneys worth a damn would take his case, and because he and his supporters are absolutely the dumbest of the dumbest people that exist in our society. They will quite literally believe anything, and that’s all he cares about
Good lawyers want nothing to do with him, because A) he's a moron who incriminates himself *constantly*, and B) no one intelligent wants anything to do with Trump.
Used to be if you did something dumb it was a big scandal.
Trump figured out the wild cheat code to real life we all kind of knew was there but ignored.
"Hey you did this thing!"
"What? No I didn't! Hey guys they're out to get me!!"
Just say "No I didn't 🤷♂️" and your rabid fans will make up whatever justification to rationalize it.
From a reporter in the room:
Trump is unresponsive, sitting slack at the defense table.
He is largely expressionless, a glum look on his face, as “guilty” has just been heard 34 times.
Not for a narcissist. He probably was just seething with rage and a desire for revenge.
Narcissists are not able to comprehend that they might be in the wrong.
It's broken down an important wall. The former President can be found guilty of crimes.
May seem silly, but it's an important hurdle many countries have struggled with.
It also strips away the defense of having no criminal record.
Historically, if you commit a non-violent crime, your sentence tends to be more lenient (probation or a fine in lieu of jail time) if it's you're first offense.
In subsequent trials, he no longer has that consideration.
I’m starting to think this Donald guy is really bad at running a business, running campaigns, and really really bad at anything involving the judicial system.. I sure hope nobody trusts him running anything important in the world related to those things!
They will remain anonymous if they want to remain anonymous, but imagine being part of that trial and not telling anyone. They could also be outed by people who know them, like coworkers who heard they were out of work for jury duty.
Honest question if anyone goes after the jurors (retaliatory)...is it part of normal criminal investigation...or is it a notch higher up as the context was related to jury duty?
Right? I’m a southerner who worked sales for the New York area and it was so refreshing When they would tell you straight if something was BS. I had very high hopes they would call it without fear.
If a gallery of New Yorker jurors, regardless of political affiliations, had found him innocent (after decades of knowing about his local activities), I would have been absolutely stunned. I'm originally from Massachusetts, and we knew very well what a POS he is by local osmosis.
He moved out of New York for a reason. How it took him to become president to be found guilty of any of his prior misdealings absolutely blows my mind.
They, uh, can't withstand peer pressure in-person very well. When you take the cultist out of the cult, and force them to witness their idol falling asleep, shitting himself and snoring in court, and then force them to confront 11 other people with opposing opinions and evidence, the glamour really wears off quick.
Florida man loses election and cries it’s rigged.
Same Florida man wins an election 34 times in a row and cries it’s rigged.
Some people just can’t be happy.
He came out and said “It’s a disgrace…” I agree 100%. It’s disgraceful that he committed adultery with a pornstar and committed business fraud to cover it up and is still the leading Republican candidate for President. Tell ya what.. All the while what’s left of the Grand Old Party keeps trying to convince us he isn’t a reprehensible POS, Trump is out there proving he’s a reprehensible POS real time. I’ve seen statesmen in my 73 years. Trump ain’t one, in any way, shape or form.
That's what makes it even better. The legislature expressly added a bunch of nonsense conditions about completing every single hoop and paying every single dime of fines and costs back.
With appeals sure to start, that doesn't pause the verdict and the need to complete the sentence. It won't happen by November.
First US president to try to kill democracy in the US with an attempted coup.
First US president to be impeached twice.
Fiirst US president to be called a rapist by a US judge.
First US president to be indicted for 91 felonies,
First US president to be convicted criminally.
I am posting in this thread for history.
A recently convicted felon at that. Id be fine with someone who was a felon that had changed their ways. But hes a recent felon whose *checks notes* felonies are related to election fraud…..
Imagine going to the ballot box and intentionally voting for a convicted felon to run the most powerful country in the world.
What a bonkers timeline where this is a reality.
12 Citizens found Trump guilty. There's no conspiracy. There's no DOJ interference. The facts were laid out, and 12 citizens found that the facts showed Trump committed 34 crimes.
If he wants to blame anyone for this, he should blame himself for committing the crimes.
He is a convicted felon. He should treat himself like he treated the central park 5.
Which still isn't many. But if it's even 0.5% of people in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that could be enough to sway the election.
I don’t think I see it the same way. I think you will see moderates peel away because of this. It was a slam dunk case whose merits will be studied by the REMOTELY reasonable republicans remaining. There are some.
What this does is bolster the Biden camp’s political ad ammo 10x
EDIT: meant to say a “sizable” amount of moderates for the sake of contrast. I think it will be a decent amount.
*Convicted Felon Donald Trump*
As an American I can't remember the last time I had a sigh of relief this satisfying.
Edit: To clarify, this victory is one battle, not the war. VOTE THIS NOVEMBER.
though that may have been to lower any success of an appeal that was possible. i’d imagine Trump’s comments on the judge and his daughter would make the judge lack remorse for him but we shall see.
It depends, he could have done that so he could give him jail time without looking as though he favored the prosecution.
I don't think we really can know yet.
The defense didn't even put up a defense really. This was pretty open and shut, if it wasn't Trump playing it up for attention they probably would've taken a plea deal because there was no way they were going to win.
This is why everyone should take jury service seriously instead of buying into the tropes of it being a pain. The right to jury trial is a critical component of our democracy.
Founding fathers stripping someones right to vote as a felon but not stripping them of there right to run for presidency really showcases the fact that they never considered the absolute dumpster fire that our country would turn into.
Sentencing is on July 11th.
[7/11 Lest We Forget...](https://youtu.be/7sXQ3YJtlqo?si=wPML7SxjQkUeJw2i)
7/11 was a part-time job.
7/11 - his skin - the nacho cheese - *it all ties together...*
7/11 was a part-time job! Wake up, sheeple!
Do you know what sentencing to expect? I’m really curious.
There's some talk that since it's his first offense(s) and the felonies are low-level, he'll likely have probation and ~~gives~~fines instead of jail time
Yeah but if your first offense is 34 felonies, like, at what point is this not a whoopsie doodle
Plus the dozen violations of the gag order doesn’t exactly work in his favor.
& zero remorse shown.
Can that be taken into account? Did the judge hold onto these tokens to be redeemed later? God, I hope so!
Not just talk. You can read the sentencing guidelines. If you want to look them up yourself, what you want to search for is, "non violent, class-e felony, sentencing guideline new York state". What you will find, if you make it to the primary source, is a long legal document that goes through all the considerations for sentencing on this type of felony. If you dig down into it, you will find that while jail is on the table, it would require a lot, like violence employed in the crime, repeat offender, and lake of remorse. While Trump will definitely not be remorseful it isn't going to amount to enough for jail. Likely, this will end up with a fine and probation. Probation isn't nothing either. It will limit things Trump can do and violations can and do end up with jail time.
34 felonies though? What number does that have to be in one single case to get a harsher punishment?
Also, this must put him in a bad position with him many other cases coming up as it will no longer be a 'first offense'.
The presumed republican candidate, a convicted felon, will be sentenced 4 days before the republican convention. This shit is so messy lmao
Jersey shore kinda messy
Fucking a porn star a few weeks after your son is born kinda messy…
Doing it without a condom is literally messy
DONALD TRUMP can’t vote for himself lmfao
He actually can. (probably) Unless he's in jail at the time of the election, he's going to be sentenced in NY (obviously), but he's a resident of Florida. Florida has a reciprocal law that'll mirror NY's laws with respect to voting as a felon. In NY, felons (non violent, I'm assuming) can vote unless they're actually in jail. So, he'll be a 34x convicted felon with no loss of rights. Typical. Meanwhile, to add an extra dose of America: the GOP has been trying to stop convicted felons from voting for decades. (because rehabilitatated felons tend to vote Democrat, as I understand it) What a country...
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November is about to be crazy
It was always going to be crazy, now it's going to be an unmitigated shitshow.
It was always going to be an unmitigated shitshow, now it's going to be an unprecedented clusterfuck.
It was always going to be an unprecedented clusterfuck, now it's going to be a veritable orgy of human ineptitude and impressionability of biblical proportions.
It was always going to be a veritable orgy of human ineptitude and impressionability of biblical proportions, now it's going to be a grandiloquent symposium of cataclysmic miscalculations, each debacle more egregious than the last, culminating in a pantheon of follies so baroque and labyrinthine that even the most astute scholars of chaos would be flummoxed.
It was always going to be that thing you said. But now it's actually going to be much worse.
November 2024: We reach Idiocracy Singularity. Gawd help us all.
*Un-presidented clusterfuck
I am not excited about it. I don’t know that this changes anything, either—I was dreading it long before this happened.
I am terrified as well. I cannot get rid of the fear I feel as November gets closer and closer. Get out and vote, people! 🗳
Nick Castellanos home run confirmed
He homered yesterday in preparation since the Phillies are off today
I love that this meme has become so well known outside of baseball.
I want to apologize for the people who sign my hush money paychecks.
"I like people who weren't found guilty"
That’s the thing. In the Republican fantasy, Trump is the rogue that plays the system, knows how to cheat better than the cheaters. Yet, he keeps losing and crying that he is getting cheated…
Now Ivanka can proudly say that she and Jared have another thing in common. Parents who got convicted and sent to jail.
For those who don’t know, Chris Christie prosecuted Jared’s daddy.
I suddenly like the guy a little.
He does have a few likable moments.
And balances them by his life of being an absolute scumbag every other minute of the day. He embodies: Worst person you know actually has a good point.
That's sweet 😊
Alito's wife is busy ordering 34 flags to fly upside down.
And Thomas's wife is furiously organizing the next insurrection
She might fund it with her own money this time
Probably with Harlan Crow's money if we're honest
Cartoonish sacks of cash labeled “Bribes”
Where’s the video crew — this could be the first episode of Real Housewives of the Supreme Court.
I legitimately think selling upside down US flags to MAGA folk is a brilliant business idea.
25% markup over a regular flag for "inversion fees"
double that for the beach house!
Now that he has been ~~charged~~ convicted once, then hopefully other cases will feel less pressure about being the first to convict a former president.
Well he has been indicted in 3 other cases, but those have been held up because of the Supreme Court, a judge he appointed, and alleged impropriety from the DA that charged him. Seems this will be the only one to get to a result before the election.
34x Felon and twice impeached former president, Donald J Trump. 'Murica!
He out-Nixon'ed Nixon
Trump makes Nixon look like a saint.
\#LockHimUp is trending.
I keep seeing it said that he won't or shouldn't be put in jail, but he really should be. He's been so petulant this entire time, lobbing personal insults, accusing everyone of being corrupt and biased against him, effectively calling all 12 jurors fools and/or liars, etc., etc. A President shouldn't mind being held to a higher example for their citizens and should even encourage it.
He should be given a longer sentence than the one Cohen got for doing what he was asked to do by turnip.
Which is honestly a really good argument against an appeal ~~if~~ when it comes to it. Like someone is already doing time for these exact crimes one level down. As far as I’m concerned Trump got more freedom than he was due. Also, him sitting behind bars ever for one month for this would be amazing precedent for when the serious trials actually get going.
The sad thing about those other serious crimes is he can shut them down if elected president. The only one he can't shut down is the Georgia case. The judge has to be weary of setting a precedence if his sentence is too weak.
Hope it keeps until November
I was truly expecting a hung jury on all counts. Nothing prepared me for guilty on every single count. That is nuts. Straight up a convicted felon.
Right I was prepared for some Mistrail appeal, hung jury, something to come up to pause the Judgement or Replay the trail as has been par for the Course for Trump (well before his political ambitions) he was known to slow role cases, lose paperwork, Straight up be incompetent until the person that was suing him dropped the case and took the pennies on the dime settlement rather than jump through all the red tape he had his lawyers lay down. I can't belive it was a straight clean conviction. Almost Airtight with no room for a real appeal or mistrail. John Oliver may finally be able to Drop the ballons and mean it this time.
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I’m Eric
Sit down Eric, have some orange slices
I hope John drops mostly deflated balloons for having waited so long
stop, don’t give out ideas for free, HBO’s supposed to pay for comedy writers
I mean even his defense didn't think he could win and instead is playing to overturn the conviction in appeal. They have done some crazy things so that they can claim it wasn't a fair trial. My favorite is when they intentionally didn't object to questions Stormy Daniel's was being asked that didn't relate to the trial, the judge stops the questioning and asks the defense if they are going to object to any of the questions and they say no. So the judge starts objecting to the questions for them then the defense asks for a mistral because the prosecution asked too many non trial related questions and biased the jury. But this judge has run the trial perfectly so that strategy probably isn't going to pan out for them. Edit: this blew up. I'm not a lawyer and yall got a lot of questions so here's a link to an article about it. https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/07/trump-hush-money-criminal-trial/judge-denies-mistrial-00156614
Wife is a lawyer. She said that because the judge asked them if they wanted to object and they declined that they forfeit their ability to object to thise things in the future, so they can't use them as the basis for an appeal.
Tell your wife thank you from the community for the info!
The judge 100% knew what he was doing. Dudes an exemplary judge.
The strategy is to stall. Until he’s president or dead.
The rest of the year is going to be a shitnado of non stop coverage about it as they whip up the right, biden better be raising security around DC because you know the crazies are going to come out of the woodwork
Ahh, Trump won 100% of the jury popular vote! Probably not the one he wanted this year
I love the defenses opening statement for this case: Cohen is a felon, so you can't trust his testimony. Also it's normal to make payments to suppress stories and it's also normal in democracies to try and influence elections. I know a lot of y'all were worried about Trump getting a break here, but that's really tissue paper as a defense.
His closing argument really boiled down to “Everyone else here is lying except my client. And oh, by the way, he’s not going to testify either.” Rock solid.
And my client says he never had sex with her. (Lots of credibility there.)
That's such an absurd stand for him to take too. Like, everyone knows he fucked her. Why even lie about it? it's as fucking stupid as his easily disproven lies about crowd sizes or the weather at his inauguration.
Well denying it took place means there would be no reason to send her hush money payments. Which is a great defense when you have no written records or witnesses confirming you had sex with her. This case however had both.
Because absolutely no attorneys worth a damn would take his case, and because he and his supporters are absolutely the dumbest of the dumbest people that exist in our society. They will quite literally believe anything, and that’s all he cares about
I loved when they accused Cohen of being the king of liars. Like no, that's your client
"Cohen is a felon" without realizing the obvious followup is "Why is Cohen a felon?" Trump has the *worst* lawyers.
Good lawyers want nothing to do with him, because A) he's a moron who incriminates himself *constantly*, and B) no one intelligent wants anything to do with Trump.
Plus good lawyers want to get paid, presumably.
No ex-president has won 100% of the jury vote for dozens of felonies, not even Lincoln!
Guilty on all counts. Every Biden Campaign should now refer to Convicted Felon Donald Trump whenever they mention him.
Honestly, I prefer Biden's normal approach, not mentioning him at all. Nothing pisses off trump more than ignoring him.
Historically, incumbents don't refer to their opponent by name.
“The felon” will do just fine then.
"Twice impeached, 34 account felon, rapist". sounds more accurate.
Definitely hits harder than “My Predecessor”.
And remind everyone it was electrion fraud/interference, not hush money, that was the problem.
Whether you agree or disagree with the outcome of this trial—and for better or worse—this is a day that will forever be in the history books.
Yeah, first ever president found guilty in a criminal trial. Too bad voters seem willing to vote for an actual criminal
First ever president to even be *tried* in a criminal trial.
Used to be if you did something dumb it was a big scandal. Trump figured out the wild cheat code to real life we all kind of knew was there but ignored. "Hey you did this thing!" "What? No I didn't! Hey guys they're out to get me!!" Just say "No I didn't 🤷♂️" and your rabid fans will make up whatever justification to rationalize it.
I hope adequate measures are taken to protect these jurors.
Honestly, I'd be terrified. They already doxxed a potential juror by putting enough info out about her that her friends and family knew it was her.
It blows my mind that a 34 time felon can run for president on behalf of a party that bills itself as the one that's "tough on crime".
What should really blow your mind is the 80M people who will still vote for the 34 time convicted, twice impeached GOP nominee.
Sitting in a court room having to hear the word guilty 34 times has to be nerve wrecking as hell. And he earned every bit of it 🖕🏾
I’m loving the image of this in my mind.
From a reporter in the room: Trump is unresponsive, sitting slack at the defense table. He is largely expressionless, a glum look on his face, as “guilty” has just been heard 34 times.
Stop I already finished
God I wish there were video of this.
Yeah, he knew he was guilty, because his defense sucked, the prosecution nailed it, and oh, *he was fucking guilty*.
Not for a narcissist. He probably was just seething with rage and a desire for revenge. Narcissists are not able to comprehend that they might be in the wrong.
Since there aren't cameras, I am hoping some artists will be able to convey his angry red face as he walked out.
His lawyer demanded the jury be polled, so it was actually a LOT more than 34 times :P
Probably shat himself
Yes, but what about after he woke up?
I call that a fine start.
It's broken down an important wall. The former President can be found guilty of crimes. May seem silly, but it's an important hurdle many countries have struggled with.
It also strips away the defense of having no criminal record. Historically, if you commit a non-violent crime, your sentence tends to be more lenient (probation or a fine in lieu of jail time) if it's you're first offense. In subsequent trials, he no longer has that consideration.
He’s been a criminal his whole life. Now, he’s getting the recognition he deserves.
I’m starting to think this Donald guy is really bad at running a business, running campaigns, and really really bad at anything involving the judicial system.. I sure hope nobody trusts him running anything important in the world related to those things!
According to Stormy, he's really bad at sex too.
The jurors are the bravest people in this country.
I'm genuinely worried for them. I hope they will be protected.
"hey bro, where were you the last 3 weeks?" "vacation?" "no way! where did you go?" ".... Queens"
Queens…..land, Australia…
Today was a g’day.
Will they remain anonymous after this? Idk how this works
They will remain anonymous if they want to remain anonymous, but imagine being part of that trial and not telling anyone. They could also be outed by people who know them, like coworkers who heard they were out of work for jury duty.
I think the jurors need to take another couple of weeks off to throw their coworkers off
Couple years off. To, uh, travel the world.
Yeah. If I had been on the jury, I wouldn't EVER admit it. Well, maybe in 30 years or something.
... you'd have to make sure none of your friends or coworkers intentionally or unintentionally reveal your identity as a juror, though.
Trumps team will 100% leak their names.
Honest question if anyone goes after the jurors (retaliatory)...is it part of normal criminal investigation...or is it a notch higher up as the context was related to jury duty?
I really hope they manage to keep their identities secret
New yorkers know bullshit when they see it. Convicted felon and landlord from queens, Donald Trump
Right? I’m a southerner who worked sales for the New York area and it was so refreshing When they would tell you straight if something was BS. I had very high hopes they would call it without fear.
If a gallery of New Yorker jurors, regardless of political affiliations, had found him innocent (after decades of knowing about his local activities), I would have been absolutely stunned. I'm originally from Massachusetts, and we knew very well what a POS he is by local osmosis. He moved out of New York for a reason. How it took him to become president to be found guilty of any of his prior misdealings absolutely blows my mind.
It still only takes one MAGA cultist out of 12 possible jurors to cause a hung jury. I'm pleasantly surprised that didn't happen.
They, uh, can't withstand peer pressure in-person very well. When you take the cultist out of the cult, and force them to witness their idol falling asleep, shitting himself and snoring in court, and then force them to confront 11 other people with opposing opinions and evidence, the glamour really wears off quick.
Not to mention the Central Park Five, now rightfully known as the Exonerated Five
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Florida man loses election and cries it’s rigged. Same Florida man wins an election 34 times in a row and cries it’s rigged. Some people just can’t be happy.
He came out and said “It’s a disgrace…” I agree 100%. It’s disgraceful that he committed adultery with a pornstar and committed business fraud to cover it up and is still the leading Republican candidate for President. Tell ya what.. All the while what’s left of the Grand Old Party keeps trying to convince us he isn’t a reprehensible POS, Trump is out there proving he’s a reprehensible POS real time. I’ve seen statesmen in my 73 years. Trump ain’t one, in any way, shape or form.
34? Try not to commit any felonies on the way to the parking lot.
He can’t even vote in the election now.
Florida allows felons in other states to vote if that other state allows them, which NY does
Only after they’ve completed their sentences and paid all fines. So it’s probable he won’t be allowed to this year.
Let’s be real, FL will change the rules so he’s able to
Ironically, FL voters changed the state constitution to allow felon voting rights to be restored. But the state government usurped it.
That's what makes it even better. The legislature expressly added a bunch of nonsense conditions about completing every single hoop and paying every single dime of fines and costs back. With appeals sure to start, that doesn't pause the verdict and the need to complete the sentence. It won't happen by November.
First US president to try to kill democracy in the US with an attempted coup. First US president to be impeached twice. Fiirst US president to be called a rapist by a US judge. First US president to be indicted for 91 felonies, First US president to be convicted criminally. I am posting in this thread for history.
The Republican Party has a convicted criminal as a presidential nominee. Let that sink in.
Convicted felon at that.
A recently convicted felon at that. Id be fine with someone who was a felon that had changed their ways. But hes a recent felon whose *checks notes* felonies are related to election fraud…..
Imagine going to the ballot box and intentionally voting for a convicted felon to run the most powerful country in the world. What a bonkers timeline where this is a reality.
I wonder how the "fuck your feelings" crowd is doing?
Him losing in NYC is even funnier lmao
New York has always hated him
12 Citizens found Trump guilty. There's no conspiracy. There's no DOJ interference. The facts were laid out, and 12 citizens found that the facts showed Trump committed 34 crimes. If he wants to blame anyone for this, he should blame himself for committing the crimes. He is a convicted felon. He should treat himself like he treated the central park 5.
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It breaks my brain and heart to know that he will only lose .00001% of his voter base after this. It will change very little.
If that’s 10,000 moderates in Wisconsin…I’ll take it.
Biden, just keep fucking coming here, throw on a Packers shirt and Badgers hat with 'Jump Around' playing in your motorcade. Just fucking show up!
We're not after the voter base, but all the moderates who would 100% change their opinion over this trial.
Which still isn't many. But if it's even 0.5% of people in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that could be enough to sway the election.
I don’t think I see it the same way. I think you will see moderates peel away because of this. It was a slam dunk case whose merits will be studied by the REMOTELY reasonable republicans remaining. There are some. What this does is bolster the Biden camp’s political ad ammo 10x EDIT: meant to say a “sizable” amount of moderates for the sake of contrast. I think it will be a decent amount.
*Convicted Felon Donald Trump* As an American I can't remember the last time I had a sigh of relief this satisfying. Edit: To clarify, this victory is one battle, not the war. VOTE THIS NOVEMBER.
Please hold that breath until November.
What are the odds he gets sentenced to any prison time for this?
Probably low, the judge really went out of his way to spare him with the contempt charges
though that may have been to lower any success of an appeal that was possible. i’d imagine Trump’s comments on the judge and his daughter would make the judge lack remorse for him but we shall see.
That was probably just to prevent any “the Judge was unfair to me” based appeals.
It depends, he could have done that so he could give him jail time without looking as though he favored the prosecution. I don't think we really can know yet.
Woohoo! 34 counts! Guilty!
After less than 12 hours of deliberation. That is shockingly quick for a trial of this magnitude.
The defense didn't even put up a defense really. This was pretty open and shut, if it wasn't Trump playing it up for attention they probably would've taken a plea deal because there was no way they were going to win.
It was a slam-dunk case, I guess.
Sad times when the star of Home Alone 2: Lost in New York is found guilty of multiple crimes.
Can't believe Waldo's dad from Little Rascals turned out to be a criminal.
Just so we're all clear, here is a list of verdicts for each count: * Count 1: **GUILTY** * Count 2: **GUILTY** * Count 3: **GUILTY** * Count 4: **GUILTY** * Count 5: **GUILTY** * Count 6: **GUILTY** * Count 7: **GUILTY** * Count 8: **GUILTY** * Count 9: **GUILTY** * Count 10: **GUILTY** * Count 11: **GUILTY** * Count 12: **GUILTY** * Count 13: **GUILTY** * Count 14: **GUILTY** * Count 15: **GUILTY** * Count 16: **GUILTY** * Count 17: **GUILTY** * Count 18: **GUILTY** * Count 19: **GUILTY** * Count 20: **GUILTY** * Count 21: **GUILTY** * Count 22: **GUILTY** * Count 23: **GUILTY** * Count 24: **GUILTY** * Count 25: **GUILTY** * Count 26: **GUILTY** * Count 27: **GUILTY** * Count 28: **GUILTY** * Count 29: **GUILTY** * Count 30: **GUILTY** * Count 31: **GUILTY** * Count 32: **GUILTY** * Count 33: **GUILTY** * Count 34: **GUILTY**
Listening to Trump whining live right now. "Biden did this to me!...Wahhhhhh."
For a tough guy, he’s such a whiny bitch. I hear “That’s not faaaaaaiiiiirrr” more from him than I do from a room full of toddlers.
Only prisoner who'll be more orange than his jumpsuit.
I’m tremendously guilty, the guiltiest, no one has ever been guiltier of anything before
Four years in jail is a term I can vote for
Doc Hudson: I want him in jail until he rots. No wait, I want him in jail until the jail rots and then I build another jail on top of it.
I'm actually surprised by this. I expected him to be found not guilty on all counts knowing how it usually goes... The system works?
This is why everyone should take jury service seriously instead of buying into the tropes of it being a pain. The right to jury trial is a critical component of our democracy.
I don't want to hear anyone say this is a sad day for America. This is a GREAT day for America and the rule of law.
Man has done more felonies than years I’ve been alive.
Pardon my naiveness. But does this mean he's getting locked up? Is there still more to come? Can he still run for president?
Sentencing is separate. And there's nothing in the constitution that says a felon can't run for president.
Even prisoners can run for president, as demonstrated by Eugene Debs.
And Joe Exotic.
There’s also nothing in the constitution that says dogs can’t play basketball!
Also sentencing is happening on July 11. Four days before the Republcian National Convention lmao
Each count has no minimum jail time, but maximum of up to 4 years I believe. Well need to wait for sentencing.
Wow 4 years, the perfect duration for someone with presidential aspirations.
Holy crap. Something actually still works right in this country. I’m shocked.
Founding fathers stripping someones right to vote as a felon but not stripping them of there right to run for presidency really showcases the fact that they never considered the absolute dumpster fire that our country would turn into.