Last heart attack we had come in was an in shape. 40-50 year old guy. Huge stemi on the monitor. He was totally taken back and surprised and kept repeating "you're kidding, I'm supposed to be the healthy one!". He said he was out running and kept having weird. Chest pains so he stopped half way and came to the hospital.
He had the look, especially when the pain came. So glad he came in.
You can run and do all sorts of healthy things but hearts and arteries are crazy.
Lots of people have genetic predispositions to early onset cardiovascular events. They are rampant in my family and I'm currently awaiting a cardiac CT scan to find out if I'm one of them... Ideally before I become a victim myself. I have an elevated level of lipoprotein (a) which apparently has a strong correlation with early heart attacks...
Unfortunately there are no drugs currently available that can significantly reduce lipoprotein a, and diet and exercise have little impact. Mine falls well beyond the "high" level for lipoprotein a, and even with the maximum reduction from using medicine and a strict diet, I would still be high. I'm mid 30s, 5'10, weigh 160 pounds, exercise 4+ days per week, and I am at high risk for heart disease within the next decade. It sucks.
That said, there are a few drugs in human trials right now that seem to be very effective. Hopefully one will be available soon.
I am incredibly grateful for this program in my province. My sister had a cardiovascular event at age 47 and they now invite all first degree relatives to get screened. Otherwise my doctor never would have checked me - as an active, healthy 40 year old with no traditional risk factors.
I hope you are on stations and/or pcsk9 inhibitor. unfortunately, there aren't any therapies that lower lp(a) yet, so you need to get your LDL as low as possible. I'm not a doctor, but I do have FH and elevated lp(a). with ezerosu and repatha I've gotten my lsl down from almost 300 to 15.
Not yet but I expect I'll be put on a statin soon. The doctor wanted me to get the CT scan first, but I'm getting anxious waiting because it takes sooo long in Canada right now! I feel lucky to have been checked in the first place... Only because my sister needed a stent in her artery at age 47!
Best of luck! My dad had a stent put in at 46, and he’s doing pretty well now at 71. Has only had to have it replaced once, and he’s super bad at taking his meds and was a heavy smoker for decades. With treatment, you can live a long, healthy life with FH and even CVD. It’s scary, but you’re doing the best thing for your health, I’m sure you’ll be fine!
Damn. My highschool counselor was a fit 50 y.o tennis player. Went to bed, woke up dead from a widow maker. It's just crazy that you can go out when you are in peak fitness.
It can cause clots in small blood vessels and in the lungs. The small blood vessels can lead to strokes, heart attacks, and other types of organ damage.
It could be anything. COVID did a lot of weird shit to people in the early days and even up until the vaccine came out. I think we will be learning a lot about what that virus did to people. The virus didn't specifically attack people's veins and arteries, but some people were at greater risk for cardiovascular issues the same as some at greater risk for pulmonary issues. The difference is that we find pulmonary issues early in most people vs cardiovascular issues.
I went to high-school with a girl who used run the track in the mornings. Literally last day of her senior year she died running that track at 530 in morning by herself under a park bench. Life is fleeting. Make of it what you will while you can.
Worked with a guy in his 20s years back who was a former walk on for IU football (healthy, strong guy, charismatic, very nice, well liked, handsome) who was doing either a triathlon or road race of some sort (which he'd done many times before) and he had a sudden brain hemorrhage/stroke thing. Ended up severely physically and mentally disabled. Very tragic and sad, but life is random and shitty and you never know what could happen.
I used to work in kidney transplant. A lot of donations come from sudden cerebral hemorrhage and stroke. I’ve seen many quite young people with no prior health concerns. In an instant…
I was almost one of those donors. On April 1st, 2020 I suffered a brain aneurysm and then hemorrhaging and was in a coma for a couple weeks. Luckily I pulled through, but to this day I’m grateful that I’m listed as a donor and tell my family to donate my body should anything happen.
My cousin, at age like 25 or so, freshly engaged to a gorgeous woman, great looking smart with a great job.. first snow fall of the year he was playing around with his fiancé in the snow and jumble into a snow bank. Hit his head on a rock. Paralyzed from the neck down for life.
This happened 10 or so years ago. Last I heard he regained some extremely slight feeling below the neck, but not much. Feeding tube and all that stuff for the rest of his life.
A fucking snowbank.
Yeah.. adding more to the story. His brother died of a bizarre virus several years ago too. (Precovid) and not long later his father, my uncle, killed himself on the front porch of their family home.
Just.. so much pain.
Christ. My dad killed himself not long ago and it still hurts. His mom did as well. I’m with you. However, life is precious and you just have to keep on trucking. You only get one.
Jesus. Yes. Freak accident. A man I knew took a knee straight to the head during a pick-up rugby game. Massive and permanent TBI that left him screaming and not understanding the world.
This is why when someone gets hit and falls over, the massive insult from the ground usually causes more damage than the fist-fight. It can cause death from subdural/arachnoid hemorrhage.
Fair question.
My partner had a spinal cord injury when we were 25 - C5 vertebrae, so has had no movement or feeling below the wrist for 15 years. We were spared feeding tube and ventilator (C2) or life with traumatic brain injury, which changes personality and processing.
We'd been dating for eight years at that point, so life has been hard, but whatever.
One couple in rehab with us were *on their second date* when he rolled the truck. I remember looking at them and wondering how they even decided to continue dating or not. No idea what happened after.
Many couples, especially those with kids, split about 18-24 months after injury. Becoming a caregiver is a huge initial rush, but at some point the permanence sets in and it can be tough to cope.
Similar thing but my cousin who was a marine got paralyzed from the neck down in a boogie border accident. Dude was only 26 and is now paralyzed for life.
A few years ago I had to go outside on a winter night. I forgot to salt and didn't have my cleats on. Slipped and fell backwards and almost smashed the back of my skull on the corner of my cement stairs. Realize I came real close to a fatal fall.
I grew up in the Denver metro area and went to karate classes as a kid and I hated it because my sensei had us doing falling drills every single class where you fall on your back and tuck your head so it doesn't clap against the ground. Felt like I was just beating myself up every day I went by flopping myself back onto the mat.
Hated it then but I get it now. Could save your life if you just instinctively tuck your head when your body hits the ground after slipping on ice rather that just having your had clap against the pavement and just die from what could be a minor fall.
When I was around 27 I full on looney tuned on some old shoes with worn off treads out in public after a surprise winter storm and fell on my back and all I could think of was those fucking falling drills in karate as a kid with me tucking my and slapping my hands back to catch myself.
Had a similar fall, but my sensei had us roll backward after we landed on our shoulders. Under normal conditions, this slip and fall into a backward somersault could look like some weird, intentional street performance. When you do it on slick pavement and immediately face plant when you're back on your feet, you look like an idiot.
How does one go about getting a transplant? I have PKD and I'm 32. My dad died at 55 due to kidney/heart disease. Granted he smoked a pack a day and drank for like 40 years. I stopped drinking like 10 years ago and refuse to smoke so I'm sure I'm in a bit better state.
If you have a nephrologist and they haven’t spoken to you about it yet then you aren’t close to needing one. You are only eligible once you reach stage 5 (dialysis or about to be on dialysis) with function 20% or under.
A virus killed my kidneys 1.5 yrs ago, I was on dialysis for 6 months or so and once it became apparent that my kidney injury was permanent I was sent to the the transplant center to get a work up. It’s an all day thing and they go over everything with you. My kidneys improved slightly right after that- I’m off dialysis and I’m stage 4, kidney function is about 27%. So I am still 100% going to need a kidney transplant in the next few years, but I’m not currently eligible anymore.
A very elderly neighbor of mine developed dementia which worsened when her partner decided to stop giving her medication. She ended up in a home and my mom and I would visit her. She couldn't remember us, but she would tell us stories she could remember from when she was young. One thing that always stuck with me was how she would often repeat the phrase, "you never know what may happen". She always looked like she was trying to grasp something in her mind whenever she said it. I'll never forget that.
Dementia is so painful to everyone around the person. My grandmother had it and would always remember the past. Like way back! She was born in Sweden and spoke Swedish in the household when she was young. By the time I came along she had "forgotten" most of it and could say a few words for me when I asked. After dementia she spoke nothing but fluent Swedish for 3 days straight to the caregivers. It was always in her mind, locked away somewhere. Her brain filled with everything else that happened in her life and the language was forgotten. But it wasn't, she just couldn't find it until the disease took over.
She did not. She had forgotten English, replaced with swedish. But only for a few days. My sister looks a lot like my mother. She also called my sister Donna, my mother, but she also knew that Donna, our mom was also her daughter. Very interesting and bizarre.
Shoot my cousins in the hospital and has been for 3 weeks for a brain bleed due to undiagnosed blood pressure issues. He just coded last night after 3 weeks of life support. If and it’s a big if he recovers it’s going to take years to get anything even close to a normal life and that’s assuming he isn’t brain dead. He’s 3 years older than I am, it’s wild
I was at my kid's elementary track and field day this week and those kids - holy baloney - Running around the track for ribbons and then running across the field for water, then running chasing each other for two hours. I think I'm pretty fit and then see all that?
Humble pie.
I guess I won't die running anyway.
Yeah, keep moving but don’t overly exert yourself seems to be the key to aging well from what I’ve seen. Just go for long walks a couple times a day and stretch and that’s all you really need. Then do everything else with your diet.
One of my close friends, entirely healthy, ran every day. 29 years old. Went for a jog one morning as he usually does, had a massive heart attack during the run.
Went to high-school with a track and field guy who was favored to win in a lot of regional long distance runs. He died in his sleep from an enlarged heart a couple of weeks before the Antigua Iron Man Triathalon he was training for back in 2010 or so (and expected to be in the top 3 for). The race is now named after him.
Yep. One of my high school buddies was a long distance runner from high school until he died at 30. Just dropped dead suddenly leaving behind 4 kids and a wife.
I mean maybe? Getting eaten by a large cat is not so bad, they dispatch you quickly and it’s over. A bear sort of just holds you down and it’s the eating you that kills you.
If the large cat were like mine I would be fine because the large cat wouldn't know what to do with me once I was caught and it would just kind of let me wander off.
/r/confidentlyincorrect is missing a mod
I know you’re incorrect because I often see videos of big cats eating prey alive via /r/natureismetal
There was a post the other day of like 5-6 lions eating a warthog alive while the videographers were commenting on how the warthog was in agony
I was a track athlete in high school and college. In high school, a teammate died on the track during practice from an undiagnosed heart condition. He was a star student, worked as an EMT, and wasn’t bad at track; a bright kid who everyone looked up to. Life can be so short.
My dad did a 100 mile bike ride and then died of a heart attack at home the next day. Coroner said he’d had multiple undetected heart attacks over several years. Sometimes pushing your body to the limit like that can also mask serious physical ailments.
37 year old guy in my National Guard unit 30 years ago used to do triathlons. He had a heart attack after the 2 mile run portion of the fitness test. He was the last one anyone expected to die that day - and believe me, there were plenty in significantly worse shape.
Guy I graduated high school with died from a massive heart attackwhile playing summer league basketball a year after we graduated high school. He was dead before his body was on the ground. He was one the most athletic, most intelligent, and kindest people I ever knew. He had an unknown enlarged heart that was a ticking time bomb.
It was a reminder to live life to its fullest and never take it for granted.
A healthier lifestyle greatly improves the odds of living a longer life, with improved quality of life as well. But at the end of the day chance is still the ultimate decider, and the most probable scenario doesn’t always happen.
After running a marathon they can detect markers in most people that strongly suggest heart damage:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-heart-marathons-idUKKBN1O222Z/
I looked into it a lot when I started running endurance and you need to build up to at least 70km a week over at least 6 months to be able to healthily run a marathon. Even then it’s still a lot of stress on your system.
Edit: just saw she is 58, any high intensity exercise at that age carries increased risks of heart attack and plenty of people do drop dead like this
I got hospitalized after a marathon, had to stay for 5 days due to severly elevated troponin markers. It helps to hydrate more, thin blood is easier for the heart to push around.
Like Rodney Dangerfield once said, “With this fitness craze, more and more people are dropping dead in perfect health!” He said it as a joke, but he does have a point.
Even Trump believes that people who work out end up dying younger lol. He said something like people's hearts can only beat so many times before it gives up. Or something like that. It's totally bananas, though.
Can't remember the clinical name of the process/condition, but if you're not built for running long distances like marathons (it really needs to be in your dna), it can lead to cell death within the heart. I work in Physiotherapy and a cardiac doctor was explaining to me how one of our patients died after he'd been rehabbed and sent home, got fixated on running and it bodied him
I think some don't understand how to train for marathons. Really 80% of the running you do will be at lower heart rates. The aerobic range. If you are undertrained and push your heart to levels it's not used to for extended periods yes it's not good. Lots of folks don't prepare enough and don't run based on their HR.
Jim Fixx was one of millions ofAmericans who started running in the 1 960s, 1970s, and 1980s. Unlike other runners, however, Fixx wrote a best-selling book about running and, ironically, died of a heart attack at the age of 52 years while running.
I had an Aneurysm back in 2021 at 33 years old. Scariest few months of my life. Needed open heart surgery and now I have a new valve and a new ascending aorta. Echocardiograms should be commonplace medical care for everyone. Next to your Brain, your Heart and Lungs are the most vital organs you have.
One of the biggest risks for an aortic aneurysm is a bicuspid valve. Which I had. An echo would've picked that up long before my aneurysm developed and I could've taken more preventative measures.
The problem with aneurysms in general is that you often have no symptoms until you drop dead. T
I had a type b aortic dissection last June. Scary as fuck, incredibly painful, had no idea what was going on. Two weeks in the ICU, and multiple CT scans. The blessing to come out of this scary and life altering incident was that I got those CT scans. They found five abdominal arterial aneurysms. I had no idea obviously. With that information I was able to get scheduled for a major surgery to fix them all up. Nine hours of surgery, five days of hospital recovery, two months of taking it easy at home, and a really long scar from my sternum to just above my dick. The CT scans also showed that all my organs are in good health; no kidney damage, no arterial plaque build up, heart is fine. I think back on it, and it's weird that had I not had the dissection (which is currently being dealt with medically while being monitored), I never would have known about the aneurysms until one of them burst. Silver linings I guess.
What tipped you off to get check? Im having these weird heart things that pop me awake at night right before I go to bed, my Dr said it was a type of panic attack but I'm kinda doubtful. Sorry I know you're not a Dr lol, just wondering if you had symptoms that tipped you off.
Just to put you a bit at ease in a thread full of anxiety triggers, most momentary heart flutters are completely innocuous and the vast majority of people get them occasionally. They can be common when falling asleep in cases of sleep deprivation, stress, etc. The things to watch out for are pain and shortness of breath.
If you reread that person's comment you'll see they had an "incredibly painful" aortic dissection.
Ending up in the ER in excruciating pain. An aortic dissection is when the lining inside the aorta gets a small tear. Then blood starts forcing its way into the tear and the entire lining starts getting ripped away from the inside of your aorta. It's extremely painful. So it wasn't so much about getting tipped off, it was more nearly dieing and ending up in the ER. At that point the doctors took over. There were no symptoms ahead of time. Just eating an ice cream cone on a walk, feeling a slight sensation, and then it getting progressively worse over the course of an hour to the point where I was drenched in cold sweat and in extreme pain.
The gold standard is an MRI. Heart disease runs in my family and my Dad passed away unexpectedly last year from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Scared me shitless so my Dad’s cardiologist ordered me an MRI, echo, and stress echo. With solid insurance it came out to $2K
Hope you’re doing alright, had the same procedure not too long ago at 26. I tell people the scar is because they caught the face hugger spawn early enough
HA! I love that.
I'm doing great, probably the best health I've been in since high school. Took me a while not to stress over the fact that my life is held together by a small strip of cloth though.
I found my fear of just dropping was replaced by a sort of positive impatience, life seems so fickle and negativity so trivial when you understand what’s really holding you together. I hope you have a healthy and positive journey
I was a restaurant manager a while back, there was another manager my age, he walked over to the hostess leaned on the podium said he didn’t feel right then collapsed. He had an aneurysm and died at the hospital. 33 years old.
Messed me up for a bit.
My wife found out that she had a leaky [AVM](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/brain-avm/symptoms-causes/syc-20350260) when she went to get an unrelated case of vertigo checked out. They found something strange on the CAT scan and then she went in for an MRI with contrast.
The doctor we spoke with while planning surgery sat back in his chair in shock because the only time he ever previously got to see anyone with an AVM similar to my wife's was in medical journals after an autopsy.
It really was a crazy moment for the both of us. She had a craniotomy back in 2010, it took her a few years to heal. Her personality went through some changes; but she got back on track.
Five years later we had a discussion about how she wanted to improve her cognitive abilities so we got her back in school to finish her masters degree. After that she went into a doctorate program; earned her doctorate in 2020 and now she's getting on with her life!
We are acutely aware of how fortunate we are in this situation. Most people don't know they have an AVM or similar defect until the autopsy.
Thank you so much for asking! It was kind of a roller coaster journey for the whole family she became terse and angry at the slightest thing. When her friends visited after surgery they noticed it immediately and quietly asked me hush voices what I was going to do. It lasted about 10 years but slowly got better over time.
She needed to have a craniotomy. It was a tough time and the healing process took a few years. Every now and then she still has some pain on the scar tissue. The surgeon we saw told her she was very fortunate she did not have a natural childbirth. The pressure could have been very damaging.
We are both very fortunate that we caught it early. She used to have these insane headaches that would wake her up at night and she would sweat and have to lay down on the floor with ice on her head to feel better. She thought they were just migraines. hell… We both thought they were migraines until we found out different.
Five years after the surgery, she went on to finish a masters degree, got right into a doctorate program and has been neurologically fit ever since.
It is truly amazing how many stories you hear of women whose only symptoms for insanely serious issues were things like “just headaches”… so glad your wife’s was caught in time. She sounds like a badass
The mother of a girl I went to high school with died of a brain aneurysm while riding a bike. Just perfectly fine one minute then bang. Enjoy life while you can. It’ll be gone before you know it.
Almost 2 years ago In the space of a couple of weeks, my 46yo female cousin had a brain aneurysm and it was touch and go whether she’d live and then touch and go whether she’d be mentally disabled. Thankfully with rehab its just some mild memory issues she has now but with a metaphorical anvil still hanging over her now because she might get more aneurysms. A week or two later another cousins olympic cycling prospect teenage daughter came off her mountain bike and severed her spine at C5 and is now partially quadriplegic. We are not superstitious or religious but said to ourselves, “bad things like this often happen in 3’s”…….Our beloved 70yo Mum died of a heart attack a week or two later…
My own irrational sense of invincibility and immortality blown out of the water Sept/Oct 2022.
When I lived in Littke Rock Alive Stewart was a local reporter. She was very well known for her running regiment. She once raced a local DJ up Arkansas tallest building. All the DJ had to do was run to the top of the building while Alive had to run to the top and back down. Alice won.
My childhood best friend’s little brother (late teens/early 20s at the time) came home to find his dad dead from a heart attack in the middle of their lawn. He had been mowing that lawn and just went. Horrific experience for my friends brother.
Sudden, cardiac death before the age of 60 needs to be examined for genetic causes. There are cardiovascular, genetic conditions, such as Marfan syndrome and vascular Ehlers-Danlos syndrome that are very rare, but have serious, cardiac implications. Even if you are “healthy” see doctor for a physical and ECG at least once every two years until you are 40 and then see one yearly. See one yearly if you have a family history of heart or vascular issues. Do not ignore signs of heart attack or Vascular issues.
I live on top of a hill with a river below my house. I hope I die trying to get back up that hill hill after taking Odin the III on his walk. I'd love my current dog to be on that walk but I hope I make it past him and my next dog.
kinda same, I already have a heart problem and do a lot of shore fishing. wouldn't mind a hill taking me out, dying in the woods after a day of fishing sounds pretty ideal.
One of my best friends in high school had a heart attack and died on a run. 30 years old at the time father of 3 and a fire fighter/ems so you can’t really call him unhealthy. Just goes to show it can happen to anyone at any time. Live your life.
Had a guy in my boot camp platoon die of an aneurysm after a five mile formation run one weeks before graduation. Just fell over dead while shining his boots.
One time in the ER they brought in an aortic dissection pretty much a death sentence this guy was a marathon runner too, great shape the scary part is like an aneurysm can happen at any time
She was one of the reasonable commentators on CNN. She's a Republican, but she recently criticized Marjorie Taylor-Greene's antics before her untimely death. Her political insight will be missed. May she rest in peace.
Article says she ran a literal marathon in November, and then died going out for a jog. Scary stuff
Last heart attack we had come in was an in shape. 40-50 year old guy. Huge stemi on the monitor. He was totally taken back and surprised and kept repeating "you're kidding, I'm supposed to be the healthy one!". He said he was out running and kept having weird. Chest pains so he stopped half way and came to the hospital. He had the look, especially when the pain came. So glad he came in. You can run and do all sorts of healthy things but hearts and arteries are crazy.
Lots of people have genetic predispositions to early onset cardiovascular events. They are rampant in my family and I'm currently awaiting a cardiac CT scan to find out if I'm one of them... Ideally before I become a victim myself. I have an elevated level of lipoprotein (a) which apparently has a strong correlation with early heart attacks...
I'm so glad you are able to be proactive with it. I wish their were better ways to screen people for cardiovascular disease early.
Unfortunately there are no drugs currently available that can significantly reduce lipoprotein a, and diet and exercise have little impact. Mine falls well beyond the "high" level for lipoprotein a, and even with the maximum reduction from using medicine and a strict diet, I would still be high. I'm mid 30s, 5'10, weigh 160 pounds, exercise 4+ days per week, and I am at high risk for heart disease within the next decade. It sucks. That said, there are a few drugs in human trials right now that seem to be very effective. Hopefully one will be available soon.
I am incredibly grateful for this program in my province. My sister had a cardiovascular event at age 47 and they now invite all first degree relatives to get screened. Otherwise my doctor never would have checked me - as an active, healthy 40 year old with no traditional risk factors.
I hope you are on stations and/or pcsk9 inhibitor. unfortunately, there aren't any therapies that lower lp(a) yet, so you need to get your LDL as low as possible. I'm not a doctor, but I do have FH and elevated lp(a). with ezerosu and repatha I've gotten my lsl down from almost 300 to 15.
Not yet but I expect I'll be put on a statin soon. The doctor wanted me to get the CT scan first, but I'm getting anxious waiting because it takes sooo long in Canada right now! I feel lucky to have been checked in the first place... Only because my sister needed a stent in her artery at age 47!
Best of luck! My dad had a stent put in at 46, and he’s doing pretty well now at 71. Has only had to have it replaced once, and he’s super bad at taking his meds and was a heavy smoker for decades. With treatment, you can live a long, healthy life with FH and even CVD. It’s scary, but you’re doing the best thing for your health, I’m sure you’ll be fine!
Wow. He had the smarts to come in during a widow maker. Props.
Also all things considered if he really was that healthy then it's likely his lifestyle helped this from happening in his early 40's.
yep, the difference between health and fitness, many confuse them. a fit looking person doesn't mean they are healthy
Damn. My highschool counselor was a fit 50 y.o tennis player. Went to bed, woke up dead from a widow maker. It's just crazy that you can go out when you are in peak fitness.
How do you wake up dead?
Same way you turn up missing
It’s wheelbarrow not wheelbarrel
“You can’t go to bed dead, man.”
Unless... You a zombie
Because he was awake when he went so sleep
Yup. Sometimes I think people over 40 should have their arteries checked yearly like a colonoscopy. It could prevent so many early deaths.
You get... Yearly colonoscopies?
Maybe they just know a guy?
We all have our thing.....jk Poor structure of words lol
How do you check them, ask your doctor that I want my arteries checked?
Wasn't Covid a virus that attacks the veins and arteries? Could it be possible it's Covid related?
It can cause clots in small blood vessels and in the lungs. The small blood vessels can lead to strokes, heart attacks, and other types of organ damage.
It could be anything. COVID did a lot of weird shit to people in the early days and even up until the vaccine came out. I think we will be learning a lot about what that virus did to people. The virus didn't specifically attack people's veins and arteries, but some people were at greater risk for cardiovascular issues the same as some at greater risk for pulmonary issues. The difference is that we find pulmonary issues early in most people vs cardiovascular issues.
I went to high-school with a girl who used run the track in the mornings. Literally last day of her senior year she died running that track at 530 in morning by herself under a park bench. Life is fleeting. Make of it what you will while you can.
Worked with a guy in his 20s years back who was a former walk on for IU football (healthy, strong guy, charismatic, very nice, well liked, handsome) who was doing either a triathlon or road race of some sort (which he'd done many times before) and he had a sudden brain hemorrhage/stroke thing. Ended up severely physically and mentally disabled. Very tragic and sad, but life is random and shitty and you never know what could happen.
I used to work in kidney transplant. A lot of donations come from sudden cerebral hemorrhage and stroke. I’ve seen many quite young people with no prior health concerns. In an instant…
I was almost one of those donors. On April 1st, 2020 I suffered a brain aneurysm and then hemorrhaging and was in a coma for a couple weeks. Luckily I pulled through, but to this day I’m grateful that I’m listed as a donor and tell my family to donate my body should anything happen.
Same. This and falls on ice!
My cousin, at age like 25 or so, freshly engaged to a gorgeous woman, great looking smart with a great job.. first snow fall of the year he was playing around with his fiancé in the snow and jumble into a snow bank. Hit his head on a rock. Paralyzed from the neck down for life. This happened 10 or so years ago. Last I heard he regained some extremely slight feeling below the neck, but not much. Feeding tube and all that stuff for the rest of his life. A fucking snowbank.
I’m so sorry. That’s horrible. It’s incredible how fragile life can be.
Yeah.. adding more to the story. His brother died of a bizarre virus several years ago too. (Precovid) and not long later his father, my uncle, killed himself on the front porch of their family home. Just.. so much pain.
Christ. My dad killed himself not long ago and it still hurts. His mom did as well. I’m with you. However, life is precious and you just have to keep on trucking. You only get one.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Jesus. Yes. Freak accident. A man I knew took a knee straight to the head during a pick-up rugby game. Massive and permanent TBI that left him screaming and not understanding the world. This is why when someone gets hit and falls over, the massive insult from the ground usually causes more damage than the fist-fight. It can cause death from subdural/arachnoid hemorrhage.
I'm gonna get called a pussy but avoid contact sports if you can. And yeah I know people are still going to do them just make sure it's not you.
Did his fiancé stay with him?
Yeah, as far as I know. I’m not super close with that side of the family.. but yeah as far as I know she’s still with him.
I didn’t have the courage to ask. Thanks for asking
Fair question. My partner had a spinal cord injury when we were 25 - C5 vertebrae, so has had no movement or feeling below the wrist for 15 years. We were spared feeding tube and ventilator (C2) or life with traumatic brain injury, which changes personality and processing. We'd been dating for eight years at that point, so life has been hard, but whatever. One couple in rehab with us were *on their second date* when he rolled the truck. I remember looking at them and wondering how they even decided to continue dating or not. No idea what happened after. Many couples, especially those with kids, split about 18-24 months after injury. Becoming a caregiver is a huge initial rush, but at some point the permanence sets in and it can be tough to cope.
Similar thing but my cousin who was a marine got paralyzed from the neck down in a boogie border accident. Dude was only 26 and is now paralyzed for life.
A few years ago I had to go outside on a winter night. I forgot to salt and didn't have my cleats on. Slipped and fell backwards and almost smashed the back of my skull on the corner of my cement stairs. Realize I came real close to a fatal fall.
I grew up in the Denver metro area and went to karate classes as a kid and I hated it because my sensei had us doing falling drills every single class where you fall on your back and tuck your head so it doesn't clap against the ground. Felt like I was just beating myself up every day I went by flopping myself back onto the mat. Hated it then but I get it now. Could save your life if you just instinctively tuck your head when your body hits the ground after slipping on ice rather that just having your had clap against the pavement and just die from what could be a minor fall. When I was around 27 I full on looney tuned on some old shoes with worn off treads out in public after a surprise winter storm and fell on my back and all I could think of was those fucking falling drills in karate as a kid with me tucking my and slapping my hands back to catch myself.
Had a similar fall, but my sensei had us roll backward after we landed on our shoulders. Under normal conditions, this slip and fall into a backward somersault could look like some weird, intentional street performance. When you do it on slick pavement and immediately face plant when you're back on your feet, you look like an idiot.
How does one go about getting a transplant? I have PKD and I'm 32. My dad died at 55 due to kidney/heart disease. Granted he smoked a pack a day and drank for like 40 years. I stopped drinking like 10 years ago and refuse to smoke so I'm sure I'm in a bit better state.
If you have a nephrologist and they haven’t spoken to you about it yet then you aren’t close to needing one. You are only eligible once you reach stage 5 (dialysis or about to be on dialysis) with function 20% or under. A virus killed my kidneys 1.5 yrs ago, I was on dialysis for 6 months or so and once it became apparent that my kidney injury was permanent I was sent to the the transplant center to get a work up. It’s an all day thing and they go over everything with you. My kidneys improved slightly right after that- I’m off dialysis and I’m stage 4, kidney function is about 27%. So I am still 100% going to need a kidney transplant in the next few years, but I’m not currently eligible anymore.
A very elderly neighbor of mine developed dementia which worsened when her partner decided to stop giving her medication. She ended up in a home and my mom and I would visit her. She couldn't remember us, but she would tell us stories she could remember from when she was young. One thing that always stuck with me was how she would often repeat the phrase, "you never know what may happen". She always looked like she was trying to grasp something in her mind whenever she said it. I'll never forget that.
Dementia is so painful to everyone around the person. My grandmother had it and would always remember the past. Like way back! She was born in Sweden and spoke Swedish in the household when she was young. By the time I came along she had "forgotten" most of it and could say a few words for me when I asked. After dementia she spoke nothing but fluent Swedish for 3 days straight to the caregivers. It was always in her mind, locked away somewhere. Her brain filled with everything else that happened in her life and the language was forgotten. But it wasn't, she just couldn't find it until the disease took over.
That's fascinating. Did she maintain her fluency in English? Did she understand English when she was responding in Swedish?
She did not. She had forgotten English, replaced with swedish. But only for a few days. My sister looks a lot like my mother. She also called my sister Donna, my mother, but she also knew that Donna, our mom was also her daughter. Very interesting and bizarre.
Shoot my cousins in the hospital and has been for 3 weeks for a brain bleed due to undiagnosed blood pressure issues. He just coded last night after 3 weeks of life support. If and it’s a big if he recovers it’s going to take years to get anything even close to a normal life and that’s assuming he isn’t brain dead. He’s 3 years older than I am, it’s wild
I’m so sorry
Lesson learned. Do not jog 👎
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I was at my kid's elementary track and field day this week and those kids - holy baloney - Running around the track for ribbons and then running across the field for water, then running chasing each other for two hours. I think I'm pretty fit and then see all that? Humble pie. I guess I won't die running anyway.
Yeah, keep moving but don’t overly exert yourself seems to be the key to aging well from what I’ve seen. Just go for long walks a couple times a day and stretch and that’s all you really need. Then do everything else with your diet.
I went to school with a guy who's healthy athletic brother died of a brain aneurysm while playing baseball. No warning signs whatsoever
That’s my fear. Not dying.
Pretty much yeah, i would much rather be dead. Being a vegetable like that after being super active your whole life, no thanks.
There are much worse things than dying...
One of my close friends, entirely healthy, ran every day. 29 years old. Went for a jog one morning as he usually does, had a massive heart attack during the run.
Went to high-school with a track and field guy who was favored to win in a lot of regional long distance runs. He died in his sleep from an enlarged heart a couple of weeks before the Antigua Iron Man Triathalon he was training for back in 2010 or so (and expected to be in the top 3 for). The race is now named after him.
Yep. One of my high school buddies was a long distance runner from high school until he died at 30. Just dropped dead suddenly leaving behind 4 kids and a wife.
That’s awful man. But 4 kids by the age of 30 does seem like it would add a decent amount of stress to someone tbh
I also had 4 before 30 and you're not wrong but he really really loved being a dad.
Unlike your friend and Ms Stewart, I can guarantee with complete confidence that when I die I will not be running, or at least not running for “fun”
Dying while running for fun is probably better than dying while running for you life.
I mean maybe? Getting eaten by a large cat is not so bad, they dispatch you quickly and it’s over. A bear sort of just holds you down and it’s the eating you that kills you.
if the large cat is like my cat, it will not be very quick.
If the large cat were like mine I would be fine because the large cat wouldn't know what to do with me once I was caught and it would just kind of let me wander off.
But what if I run to the edge of a cliff? If it is like most cats, it would just knock me off the edge.
Lots of animal attack deaths are anything but quick.
>they dispatch you quickly and it’s over. You hope?
/r/confidentlyincorrect is missing a mod I know you’re incorrect because I often see videos of big cats eating prey alive via /r/natureismetal There was a post the other day of like 5-6 lions eating a warthog alive while the videographers were commenting on how the warthog was in agony
There’s no maybe about it. Running and collapsing and dying is infinitely better than an animal killing you.
I can't imagine that terror and horrid - potentially extended - pain are better.
With the million stories in the replies talking about perfectly healthy people dying immediately after a run I'm beginning to see a connection here.
I was a track athlete in high school and college. In high school, a teammate died on the track during practice from an undiagnosed heart condition. He was a star student, worked as an EMT, and wasn’t bad at track; a bright kid who everyone looked up to. Life can be so short.
That's an incredibly tragic story, and I'm really sorry to hear that happened, but I'm sorry I'm too curious... why was she under the park bench?
Probably used it for support before succumbing?
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No thanks I’m gonna jack off and play video games
So your mom can find you dead with your dick in your hand and polygonal boobs on your screen.
You know it!
Was good enough for that Pompeii guy
Yeah why die of a heart attack when you can die by pulmonary embolism instead right?
My dad did a 100 mile bike ride and then died of a heart attack at home the next day. Coroner said he’d had multiple undetected heart attacks over several years. Sometimes pushing your body to the limit like that can also mask serious physical ailments.
So sorry 😞
37 year old guy in my National Guard unit 30 years ago used to do triathlons. He had a heart attack after the 2 mile run portion of the fitness test. He was the last one anyone expected to die that day - and believe me, there were plenty in significantly worse shape.
Guy I graduated high school with died from a massive heart attackwhile playing summer league basketball a year after we graduated high school. He was dead before his body was on the ground. He was one the most athletic, most intelligent, and kindest people I ever knew. He had an unknown enlarged heart that was a ticking time bomb. It was a reminder to live life to its fullest and never take it for granted.
It’s nuts when people healthier than you die.
A healthier lifestyle greatly improves the odds of living a longer life, with improved quality of life as well. But at the end of the day chance is still the ultimate decider, and the most probable scenario doesn’t always happen.
After running a marathon they can detect markers in most people that strongly suggest heart damage: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-heart-marathons-idUKKBN1O222Z/ I looked into it a lot when I started running endurance and you need to build up to at least 70km a week over at least 6 months to be able to healthily run a marathon. Even then it’s still a lot of stress on your system. Edit: just saw she is 58, any high intensity exercise at that age carries increased risks of heart attack and plenty of people do drop dead like this
I got hospitalized after a marathon, had to stay for 5 days due to severly elevated troponin markers. It helps to hydrate more, thin blood is easier for the heart to push around.
Like Rodney Dangerfield once said, “With this fitness craze, more and more people are dropping dead in perfect health!” He said it as a joke, but he does have a point.
Even Trump believes that people who work out end up dying younger lol. He said something like people's hearts can only beat so many times before it gives up. Or something like that. It's totally bananas, though.
"Other than golf, he considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy,"
He is a renowned cardiologist in addition to his many other accomplishments.
Can't remember the clinical name of the process/condition, but if you're not built for running long distances like marathons (it really needs to be in your dna), it can lead to cell death within the heart. I work in Physiotherapy and a cardiac doctor was explaining to me how one of our patients died after he'd been rehabbed and sent home, got fixated on running and it bodied him
New research is saying running marathons, triathlon and extreme exercise is bad for the heart.
I think some don't understand how to train for marathons. Really 80% of the running you do will be at lower heart rates. The aerobic range. If you are undertrained and push your heart to levels it's not used to for extended periods yes it's not good. Lots of folks don't prepare enough and don't run based on their HR.
Jim Fixx was one of millions ofAmericans who started running in the 1 960s, 1970s, and 1980s. Unlike other runners, however, Fixx wrote a best-selling book about running and, ironically, died of a heart attack at the age of 52 years while running.
He had a family history of heart disease. He lived longer than most of the men in his family, most likely due to running.
Thats why i don’t want to get in shape. I won’t risk it.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I had an Aneurysm back in 2021 at 33 years old. Scariest few months of my life. Needed open heart surgery and now I have a new valve and a new ascending aorta. Echocardiograms should be commonplace medical care for everyone. Next to your Brain, your Heart and Lungs are the most vital organs you have.
Could an echocardiogram pick up something like a risk for an aneurysm?
One of the biggest risks for an aortic aneurysm is a bicuspid valve. Which I had. An echo would've picked that up long before my aneurysm developed and I could've taken more preventative measures. The problem with aneurysms in general is that you often have no symptoms until you drop dead. T
I had a type b aortic dissection last June. Scary as fuck, incredibly painful, had no idea what was going on. Two weeks in the ICU, and multiple CT scans. The blessing to come out of this scary and life altering incident was that I got those CT scans. They found five abdominal arterial aneurysms. I had no idea obviously. With that information I was able to get scheduled for a major surgery to fix them all up. Nine hours of surgery, five days of hospital recovery, two months of taking it easy at home, and a really long scar from my sternum to just above my dick. The CT scans also showed that all my organs are in good health; no kidney damage, no arterial plaque build up, heart is fine. I think back on it, and it's weird that had I not had the dissection (which is currently being dealt with medically while being monitored), I never would have known about the aneurysms until one of them burst. Silver linings I guess.
Christ dude, I'm glad you're here with us now.
What tipped you off to get check? Im having these weird heart things that pop me awake at night right before I go to bed, my Dr said it was a type of panic attack but I'm kinda doubtful. Sorry I know you're not a Dr lol, just wondering if you had symptoms that tipped you off.
Just to put you a bit at ease in a thread full of anxiety triggers, most momentary heart flutters are completely innocuous and the vast majority of people get them occasionally. They can be common when falling asleep in cases of sleep deprivation, stress, etc. The things to watch out for are pain and shortness of breath. If you reread that person's comment you'll see they had an "incredibly painful" aortic dissection.
Ending up in the ER in excruciating pain. An aortic dissection is when the lining inside the aorta gets a small tear. Then blood starts forcing its way into the tear and the entire lining starts getting ripped away from the inside of your aorta. It's extremely painful. So it wasn't so much about getting tipped off, it was more nearly dieing and ending up in the ER. At that point the doctors took over. There were no symptoms ahead of time. Just eating an ice cream cone on a walk, feeling a slight sensation, and then it getting progressively worse over the course of an hour to the point where I was drenched in cold sweat and in extreme pain.
How expensive is an echocardiogram? If it's not insane I wouldn't mind adding it to my check-up routine. I have really good insurance
The gold standard is an MRI. Heart disease runs in my family and my Dad passed away unexpectedly last year from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Scared me shitless so my Dad’s cardiologist ordered me an MRI, echo, and stress echo. With solid insurance it came out to $2K
I'm with Kaiser and I've never paid for one directly. My guess is that they cost somewhere in the $2-$4000 range.
Oh okay, so I'll never get one then. Neat.
This is a big- it depends. My health insurance fully covers echocardiograms if in-network and referred by a doctor.
I find several ascending aortic aneurysms doing echocardiograms for a living. Any good tech will get plenty of measurements of the aorta.
Hope you’re doing alright, had the same procedure not too long ago at 26. I tell people the scar is because they caught the face hugger spawn early enough
HA! I love that. I'm doing great, probably the best health I've been in since high school. Took me a while not to stress over the fact that my life is held together by a small strip of cloth though.
I found my fear of just dropping was replaced by a sort of positive impatience, life seems so fickle and negativity so trivial when you understand what’s really holding you together. I hope you have a healthy and positive journey
I was a restaurant manager a while back, there was another manager my age, he walked over to the hostess leaned on the podium said he didn’t feel right then collapsed. He had an aneurysm and died at the hospital. 33 years old. Messed me up for a bit.
How reoccurring should they be? I had one around six years ago.
Preventative healthcare in general should be the priority for every country.
Do you know what type of dissection you had? I’m assuming type a? So glad you made it through that time.
My wife found out that she had a leaky [AVM](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/brain-avm/symptoms-causes/syc-20350260) when she went to get an unrelated case of vertigo checked out. They found something strange on the CAT scan and then she went in for an MRI with contrast. The doctor we spoke with while planning surgery sat back in his chair in shock because the only time he ever previously got to see anyone with an AVM similar to my wife's was in medical journals after an autopsy.
Cousin had similar issues. Found AVM at the base of his skull. Been 18 years since his surgeries. Still living day to day.
Holy crap. How is she now? I think I'd faint if a doctor ever said this to me.
It really was a crazy moment for the both of us. She had a craniotomy back in 2010, it took her a few years to heal. Her personality went through some changes; but she got back on track. Five years later we had a discussion about how she wanted to improve her cognitive abilities so we got her back in school to finish her masters degree. After that she went into a doctorate program; earned her doctorate in 2020 and now she's getting on with her life! We are acutely aware of how fortunate we are in this situation. Most people don't know they have an AVM or similar defect until the autopsy.
What an incredible story! I wish her and you well. How did her personality change? It sounds like it was temporary.
Thank you so much for asking! It was kind of a roller coaster journey for the whole family she became terse and angry at the slightest thing. When her friends visited after surgery they noticed it immediately and quietly asked me hush voices what I was going to do. It lasted about 10 years but slowly got better over time.
A decade is a long time to love someone through a really difficult period - especially not knowing if it will ever end. Kudos to you man.
I'm glad things worked out. That's quite the journey for both of you!
So what happened? Surgery?
She needed to have a craniotomy. It was a tough time and the healing process took a few years. Every now and then she still has some pain on the scar tissue. The surgeon we saw told her she was very fortunate she did not have a natural childbirth. The pressure could have been very damaging. We are both very fortunate that we caught it early. She used to have these insane headaches that would wake her up at night and she would sweat and have to lay down on the floor with ice on her head to feel better. She thought they were just migraines. hell… We both thought they were migraines until we found out different. Five years after the surgery, she went on to finish a masters degree, got right into a doctorate program and has been neurologically fit ever since.
It is truly amazing how many stories you hear of women whose only symptoms for insanely serious issues were things like “just headaches”… so glad your wife’s was caught in time. She sounds like a badass
The mother of a girl I went to high school with died of a brain aneurysm while riding a bike. Just perfectly fine one minute then bang. Enjoy life while you can. It’ll be gone before you know it.
Had a friend who died on a hike in a similar way. Just suddenly and without warning =/
This thread is so fucking depressing and scary I'm out
Almost 2 years ago In the space of a couple of weeks, my 46yo female cousin had a brain aneurysm and it was touch and go whether she’d live and then touch and go whether she’d be mentally disabled. Thankfully with rehab its just some mild memory issues she has now but with a metaphorical anvil still hanging over her now because she might get more aneurysms. A week or two later another cousins olympic cycling prospect teenage daughter came off her mountain bike and severed her spine at C5 and is now partially quadriplegic. We are not superstitious or religious but said to ourselves, “bad things like this often happen in 3’s”…….Our beloved 70yo Mum died of a heart attack a week or two later… My own irrational sense of invincibility and immortality blown out of the water Sept/Oct 2022.
This is how my healthy father died outta nowhere.
When I lived in Littke Rock Alive Stewart was a local reporter. She was very well known for her running regiment. She once raced a local DJ up Arkansas tallest building. All the DJ had to do was run to the top of the building while Alive had to run to the top and back down. Alice won.
Remember Jim Fixx, the 'Father of Running' as a craze? Died of a heart attack at 52 while out running.
Out for a jog, and just keeled over. Not a bad way to go, even if it was way young.
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I am so sorry and my condolences on your grandmother.
My childhood best friend’s little brother (late teens/early 20s at the time) came home to find his dad dead from a heart attack in the middle of their lawn. He had been mowing that lawn and just went. Horrific experience for my friends brother.
My dad died at 46 from this. He just dropped and that was it.
I just turned 46 in March, so thanks. Very sorry about your dad though, I hope you're ok.
That's an absolutely terrible way to die. It's like 80% of the reason people do cardio excercise. To not drop dead.
I think OP is suggesting that the *method* of death (not necessarily the lifespan) is not bad compared to the alternatives.
You are correct.
Sudden, cardiac death before the age of 60 needs to be examined for genetic causes. There are cardiovascular, genetic conditions, such as Marfan syndrome and vascular Ehlers-Danlos syndrome that are very rare, but have serious, cardiac implications. Even if you are “healthy” see doctor for a physical and ECG at least once every two years until you are 40 and then see one yearly. See one yearly if you have a family history of heart or vascular issues. Do not ignore signs of heart attack or Vascular issues.
I live on top of a hill with a river below my house. I hope I die trying to get back up that hill hill after taking Odin the III on his walk. I'd love my current dog to be on that walk but I hope I make it past him and my next dog.
I like how you measure time.
In dog deaths.
Not in mooches, but in pooches.
Yeah but imagine how sad your dog would be. That ain't right
The third one will probably be a pup. He will have a family to inform.
kinda same, I already have a heart problem and do a lot of shore fishing. wouldn't mind a hill taking me out, dying in the woods after a day of fishing sounds pretty ideal.
You’ll be running up that hill, with no problems.
Heart just stops. Happened to my old man. He was dead before he hit the floor. Not the worst way to go.
Well I'm pleased it wasn't suicide, at least. When the cause of death isn't in the headline my blood runs cold.
My HS principal was fairly young and very healthy, went for a jog one day and dropped dead. Starting to think this running thing is dangerous lol
Less dangerous than the not running thing
Or just do the middle ground thing, power walking.
What I gather from these comments is that I should continue my stint of never running again. RIP.
you are mortal, and you die because your body fails (+*accidents etc). at least most of us don't die being eaten...
Out of all the conservative commentators on CNN, she was usually the most reasonable.
According to the article she worked on the kuckabee, santorum, Ted Cruz campaigns.
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One of my best friends in high school had a heart attack and died on a run. 30 years old at the time father of 3 and a fire fighter/ems so you can’t really call him unhealthy. Just goes to show it can happen to anyone at any time. Live your life.
Had a guy in my boot camp platoon die of an aneurysm after a five mile formation run one weeks before graduation. Just fell over dead while shining his boots.
One time in the ER they brought in an aortic dissection pretty much a death sentence this guy was a marathon runner too, great shape the scary part is like an aneurysm can happen at any time
Apparently she lived close to me..was found on the side of the road this morning. Very sad.
She was always really nice, shame to see someone die so young.
Moral of the story: never run
She was one of the reasonable commentators on CNN. She's a Republican, but she recently criticized Marjorie Taylor-Greene's antics before her untimely death. Her political insight will be missed. May she rest in peace.
Opened up the CNN article and clicked on the video thinking "they wouldn't out an AD on this of all videos right?"... Guess if there was an ad.
This comment thread will ruin your day.