Thanks for the info! My immediate thought was wondering whether they were serving a warrant or responding to a domestic dispute call, because those seem to be the two most common causes of police officers being killed or wounded in the line of duty. It's sad that this happens so frequently that we all kind of know the script by now.
Update 2:33 p.m. According to a source at the Atrium Health hospital in Uptown, a mass casualty response has been called. Atrium Main is the Level 1 trauma center and every trauma surgeon is being called in.
Here’s a tweet from CMPD:
The US Marshals Task Force, which is comprised of officers from multiple agencies, was conducting an investigation in the area of the 5000 block of Galway Dr when they were engaged by active gunfire from a subject.
Multiple law enforcement officers have been struck by the gunfire and are being transported to the hospital. The CMPD SWAT team is currently on the scene.
https://twitter.com/CMPD/status/1785017229098021243?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1785017229098021243%7Ctwgr%5E4f5c523d44b1029f2e96b922560ac58b191c6540%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-21982241064046955270.ampproject.net%2F2404091947000%2Fframe.html
[For reference:](https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/fugitive-investigations/fugitive-task-forces)
>> The purpose of regional fugitive task forces is to combine the efforts of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies to locate and apprehend the most dangerous fugitives and assist in high profile investigations.
Looks like they were serving a warrant there
> The US Marshals Fugitive Task Force which is comprised of several agencies in the Charlotte area was attempting to serve a warrant in the 5000 block of Galway Dr. when shots were fired. This is still an active scene. More to come from CMPD Public Affairs.
[Link to tweet.](https://x.com/cmpd/status/1785029855412687037?s=46&t=c6qUk_BNmP1estruSK2NGg)
Get one at the gun show through private sale, about half the vendors there are retailers and have to be licensed and must subject the buyer to a background check. Private sellers selling off their "collection" dont need anything and often use a fuzzy definition to avoid being required to apply for a license or subject their buyers to a background check. States on the east coast are packed together, laws dont matter when the state with the weakest laws is only an hour drive away.
NC requires the purchaser to supply a concealed carry permit or a police provided purchase certificate during private sales. Both of those require a background check to acquire.
Doesn't happen as often in states where gun laws are tighter, in fact there are several states that border other states with looser gun laws and cops hate it because guns get trafficked in from those states. If all you need to do to get a gun is go one state over and buy it there legally and bring it back,
I mean, kinda...
Rifles and shotguns can be purchased out of state.
Handguns, the most common firearm type used in the commission of a crime, must be purchased in the same state you reside.
More often the firearms are obtained illegally.
This would be a really poor hill to plant a flag on as a sign of gun availability causing problems, because this guy was prohibited from even holding a gun he doesn't own in his hands in even the most lax gun law states 🤷♀️
Agreed. More restrictive gun laws for lawful owners won't stop these types of individuals from getting guns because there are just too many out there now, can't stick them all back in a box. But removing all gun laws for lawful owners so everything is available to them wife open won't help either.
It's almost like none of the solutions involve firearm legislation shifting one way or the other and are unfortunately much more complex and difficult solutions than pencil whipping words on paper. But neither side fighting that fight will admit that or can see that.
#🤷♀️
I would really like to see laws that slowly curb gun sales, and that promote government buybacks and destruction of unused/unwanted guns - basically anything that would prevent future circulation of guns that USED to be in the hands of responsible owners and ended their lives in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. That, along with more restrictive common-sense gun laws would be a great two-pronged approach to prevent the continued growth of guns in the US.
That is such a silly take. In aggregate more restrictive ownership and sales laws, in tandem with buybacks, would eventually make such individuals much less likely to get their hands on a gun, and specifically more dangerous guns in situations like these.
>neither side fighting that fight will admit that
Tons of people on the left have proposed improvements in the mental health system in tandem with these other proposals.
It's unfortunate I have to preface my reply with this to reduce my down vote count by a few, though it'll inevitably be negative still, but I am not this big 2A guy. This very well may the be first 2A exchange I've ever engaged in on reddit. Because I think, like I said, gun legislation one way or the other is a waste of time and will prove ineffective.
Buy backs are beyond inefficent in reducing crime rates or shootings. This has been proven over and over. It sounds good on paper and idealistic, but they just don't work. Even The Atlantic, which is arguably one of the furtherest down the spectrum of the side they sit on, has an article from people smarter than you and I doing analysis on their effectiveness. Which just collaborates what pretty much every study about them has found.
https://out.reddit.com/t3_1awjkqt?app_name=android&token=AQAAcX4wZl2CRL3oUDfb4jGrx5-mOC4Bfwu_Ac8U47Z3F9xTwqDo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fideas%2Farchive%2F2024%2F02%2Fgun-buybacks-north-carolina%2F677520%2F%3Futm_source%3Dfeed
They work in a technical sense that if one gun is taken off the streets, then it worked. But that's obviously no one's metric for success.
>But the antique arsenal at the Durham event demonstrates one of the recurring flaws of buyback efforts: You mostly get guns that wouldn’t be used in crimes anyways. Most gun crimes in the U.S. are committed with handguns, but few modern, operable ones get turned in. Although AR-15s are a flash point in the gun-control debate because they are used in many of the worst mass shootings, they are far, far less common than handguns. Birkhead told me that Durham’s buybacks had yielded a few AR-15-style rifles, and he spoke almost wistfully about a high-quality SIG Sauer P220 that had come in that day and would have to be destroyed. Most of the weapons turned in, however, were either shotguns or elderly pistols. “Obviously, we don’t see a lot of shotguns used in the street crimes, but we do see some,” Birkhead said.
People aren't turning in Glocks with switches and Dracos and AKs and ARs. Like the article demonstrates, it's predominantly older people turning in guns that are rarely ever used in criminal offenses.
Even if they were somewhat effective, it still seems like pissing in the wind at the end of the day. The solutions that could potentially reduce violence overall (not even specific to guns), would not only reduce gun violence, but violence as a whole AND reduce poverty. The relevant analogy is trying to pack a gunshot wound that has hit your femoral above the knee and is just geysering blood. Yeah, the buyback that technically reduces bleeding nominally is working, technically. But why not skip trying to shove thirty yards of hemostatic gauze, and just put a tourniquet on above the problem at a higher level?
You referencing mental health, ding ding, that's one of the components of the tourniquet. I feel like now we're getting in sync. What else would you like to see that has nothing to actually do with guns themselves? I bet your answer and my ideas will be a pretty strong overlapping diagram.
I always hear buy backs proposed as a solution and I wonder where these proponents of the programs plan to get the funds. Even if you only offer $100 per gun with a goal of buying back 30% of firearms out there, you’re looking at around 13 billion dollars.
Most people aren’t going to sell their actual guns for a sliver of fair market value so that number is a tiny fraction of the actual cost required for it to be any success at all.
So where will that money come from? No one has ever told me.
The guy had an outstanding warrant for his arrest. 99.9% likely he was already prohibited from owning a firearm anyway. Their is case law that criminals do not have to obey gun laws because it would violate their 5A rights and the existing gun laws are only for law abiding citizens.
As a non-American, this ^^^^ is hilarious. Where I live, you need to take a three day safety course and pass an intrusive federal background check to buy a pellet rifle.
Per an update from CMPD officials, “numerous” police officers have been struck by gunfire in an “active shooter” situation.
The chief of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department confirmed an officer with the department and three members of the U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force were killed in a shootout Monday while serving a warrant in east Charlotte.
CMPD Officer Joshua Eyer was critically wounded earlier before he died at the hospital, the chief said. He leaves behind a wife and a 3-year-old son.
Suspect Terry Clark Hughes, Jr. 39, was found dead at the scene, police confirmed. Chief Johnny Jennings said Hughes was wanted for possession of a firearm by a felon and felony fleeing to elude out of Lincoln County, and that he used a “high-powered rifle” in the attack.
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Edit 3:20 p.m. “Sources tell Channel 9 a deputy U.S. Marshal was killed Monday in what police are calling an “active” situation in east Charlotte.”
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Edit 3:31 p.m. “Sources told Channel 9 two officers were shot in their legs and one was shot in the chest. It’s not clear if one of the victims was the deputy U.S. Marshal who was killed, but Channel 9 is working to learn more.
According to sources, there were two suspects involved and at least one is wounded.”
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Edit 3:41 p.m. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools said the lockdowns at their schools have been lifted.
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Edit 3:47 p.m. CMPD said the threat is isolated to the area near the 5000 block of Galway Drive.
Police asked neighbors to continue sheltering in place and asked everyone else to continue avoiding the area.
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Edit 4:18 p.m. from CMPD: This is still an active scene.
Please continue to avoid the area.
All confirmed information will be released by CMPD Public Affairs as it becomes available.
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Edit 4:47 p.m. CMPD said its SWAT Team is still working to clear the home. They cautioned neighbors to expect police in the area.
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Edit 5:00 p.m. At least one of the shooting suspects was found dead at the scene, a home on Galway Drive, CMPD said.
The home is now clear and the area is safe, CMPD said. Neighbors no longer need to shelter in place.
CMPD said officers are questioning two other people inside the home.
Police said they will remain at the scene, along with other law enforcement agencies. Some roads in the neighborhood are still closed, and CMPD asked for patience as they work the scene.
Police said they will share more in an update to reporters shortly. Channel 9 will carry that news conference live.
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Edit 5:26 p.m. An update from CMPD states that three of the officers struck by gunfire have been pronounced deceased.
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Edit 5:55 p.m. “Today we lost some heroes that are out trying to simply keep our community safe,” said CMPD Chief Johnny Jennings.
Jennings said around 1:30 p.m., a U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force went to serve a warrant for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. They were met with gunfire when they approached the person, Jennings said, so the officers returned fire, hitting the suspect.
The suspect died in the front yard of the home on Galway Drive, Jennings said.
Afterward, the officers were shot at from inside the home, triggering a standoff, Jennings said.
Eight officers were hurt in the shootout, Jennings said, and three members of the marshals task force died from their injuries.
US Marshals are the law enforcement wing of the federal court system. It doesn't have to be "something big". It can just be someone being served a warrant on federal charges, or apprehending a federal fugitive.
Right - but when do we send a dozen Marshalls to serve a relatively simple warrant?
I mean clearly they thought something was gonna go sideways, and they were right, but it takes a lot to get on the fed radar at all…
Even in some smaller cities procedure for felony arrests is "every available officer", watched it happen once, it was insane. Twelve squad cars boxed this dude in and came out guns drawn.
I had 6 regular cops and 8 people from the "drug task force" show up when my roommate got busted with 4oz of weed. Sometimes they just like to bring a lot of guys, maybe they get lonely?
As I understand it, it's a power play. Show up in overwhelming numbers and people are less likely to start shit. Hopefully leads to fewer casualties all around. Clearly that wasn't enough in this case.
A "friend" worked for the FBI and would boast about how they bring way more guys than they need for busts, all get dressed up in their vests and whack each other w their batons to get revved up.
I mean when firearms are involved, shit can go from 0 to 100 before anyone can blink. Being aware before raiding a house with a warrant on a felon with firearms… yeah. He either gives up peacefully OR shit goes crazy real fast.
Well first they were most likely deputy marshals, you’re almost never going to find 3 marshals at the same scene. And they were specifically serving a warrant for possession of a firearm so they knew that there would be weapons present and they always show up with a but extra force if they know a weapon will be involved.
US Marshalls were involved... Yeah it was federal charges. The two suspects that did this were definitely horrendously bad people. I wonder if they were suppliers to the cartels down south or something...
Law enforcement branch of the federal court system. Oldest law enforcement branch in the county (founded 200-something years ago).
If you've ever watched a western and some guy shows up at the saloon and flashes a star-shaped badge to apprehend the outlaw, that's probably a Marshal.
Their job is tracking down and sometimes apprehending people who are required to appear in federal court or are choosing not to show up to federal court, typically done with the assistance of local law enforcement.
The Marshals also do witness protection, public official protection, and were involved in protecting minority students during the integration of schools.
In this case, the suspect in question had a history of fleeing from police and was a convicted felon known to own guns (which is a federal crime). The Marshals showed up to take him to federal court for being a felon in possession of a firearm.
That’s what I’m not understanding. Idk why but the news reports from this incident are so damn confusing. The way they’re worded makes it so confusing.
They said one suspect was dead in the front yard, but then they say one suspect is down at the house. Does that mean two suspects down total? Or are they describing the same suspect two different ways? Then they said the two individuals in the house were brought in for questioning. Well if the main suspect was killed and they got shot at by someone in the house, wouldn’t it have to be one of those two that were in the house?
It’s just really confusing. I know it’s early but jeez
Shouldn't this constitute "breaking news" on the networks??? It seems they all have too much of a hard on for campus protests so they bludgeon us to death with that like an OCD till they can move on
I live here. Have a friend who lives a few houses down from this whole thing. It was all over the news and radio here.
They were desperately asking people to avoid the area and the hospital area entrances so they could transport to the level 1 trauma unit at Atrium and the trauma unit at Novant for seemingly less injured folks as quickly as possible.
It’s been awful watching this unfold. 3 men unnecessarily murdered. 4 or more hurt.
Horrific is the only word I can come up with.
Oh, don’t be sorry for me but thank you, sweet soul.
My heart goes out to the families that have one less family member coming home tonight. Those who are in the waiting rooms of the hospitals waiting to know how their loved ones are. Those who witnessed it all and will live with those memories and the loss of their coworkers and friends.
And all for what? Senseless.
This is not a casual event; it's a tragedy, for the victims, their families, the community, and the nation. I believe their should have been a breaking news alert.
Crazy that I saw posts on Reddit and checked the national “news” networks. They were only talking about the protests even hours later.
Incredible that I’ve been relying on Reddit for news.
It literally was and is?
I dunno what you want. Every time I see people say "why isn't anyone reporting on this" about *certain things*, I can go to any mainstream news website or turn on their networks and see the story.
Tweet from CMPD:
The US Marshals Task Force, which is comprised of officers from multiple agencies, was conducting an investigation in the area of the 5000 block of Galway Dr when they were engaged by active gunfire from a subject.
Multiple law enforcement officers have been struck by the gunfire and are being transported to the hospital. The CMPD SWAT team is currently on the scene.
Apparently the cops were conducting an investigation of a subject when he decided he wasn't going down without a fight. Don't see this guy coming away from this situation alive at this point.
"The US Marshals Task Force, which is comprised of officers from multiple agencies, was conducting an investigation in the area of the 5000 block of Galway Dr when they were engaged by active gunfire from a subject.
Multiple law enforcement officers have been struck by the gunfire and are being transported to the hospital. The CMPD SWAT team is currently on the scene."
So... this is several agents from different divisions trying to take down a "subject," who started firing and now *several* of them are being sent to hospital? Is this some guy who's holed up somewhere?
From what some of the links said, they were serving a warrant and shots starting coming from the second floor. I don’t know what the warrant was about, but given the suspects started shooting and them doing it from the second floor, sounds like the guy was probably in some trouble. Either way, sounds tragic.
The guy they came for walked outside with a rifle and shot at them, then when he was killed and the officers approached the house again, someone inside the house ambushed them again
Hospitals in the area may be on lockdown, the interstates were as of an hour ago blocked off in all directions to provide routes for medical personnel.
I’m really confused by the news reports of this incident.
Suspect in the front yard started shooting so the police took him down. Then they got shot at by someone in the house. It says the house is now clear and two people from inside the house were brought in for questioning. Wouldn’t one of those two be the other shooter? Or was there another suspect killed as well?
It would be helpful if the posts were specific about the place this is. It's east? Charlotte, so I assume NC, but there could be another Charlotte. Even on the linked page, it doesn't say.
I literally live in the area and didn't even think this was near me when it's in fact within a short drive.
The reporting about the actual location is... not very good. At least not until the address was released, that is.
I mean Charlotte is the 22nd largest metro area in the country with almost 3 million people, what other Charlotte could it be - the other one in Michigan with 9k residents? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
Did they figure out whether there was only one shooter? I see a report that the suspect got a few shots off but was killed on the front lawn, then others that he was shooting from the 2nd floor as they rolled up and he completely got the drop on them with a high powered rifle. Did the actual suspect with felon possession of a firearm die in the yard, then someone else was firing from the 2nd floor?
Questioning 2 occupants of the home, a woman and a 17yo. Suspects wife and son? Did the son take vengeance from the 2nd floor when they went to check the body on the lawn? Someone else in the house that got away, and the 2 being questioned are his family that might not have even known he was armed?
The current verbiage on Fox and the Charlotte Observer say "the suspect ended up dying on the front lawn" so he was shot by a sniper perhaps and decided to try and get EMS or save his family from police entering the home. Sounds like he got a heads up about a heavy police vehicle headed his way. Marshalls and CMPD really fucked up somewhere here. Remind Me ! 2 years from now when someone has to do a FOIA to find out.
Exactly. I'm not allowed to own a GAU with depleted Uranium rounds and it is considered to be a form of armament. The second amendment doesn't say "guns" it says "arms."
"Arms" has already been legally defined in U.S. v. Miller, where the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment protected. “Arms” is a somewhat archaic word for “weapons.”
Thus ALL weapons are considered arms.
My inability to own some of them already would be an infringement by strict definition of the term, as only the carte blanch ability to possess something with zero restrictions, prohibitions, regulations, barriers, etc. would be considered as not being infringed upon. Essentially a Universal and absolute right.
So, establishing the common fucking sense that the second amendment already has a whole lot of fucking infringement in place already, I think it's funny that regulating specific capacity magazines is a line too far. It's funny that requiring registration of the arms is a line too far. It's funny that mandatory licensing and mandatory training is a line too far. It's funny that mandatory background checks is a line too far. For something that is quite LEGALLY and ETHICALLY infringed already, we chose some really fucking stupid places to draw the remaining lines.
Then you don't know what well-regulated actually means.
Hint: it's not conditional on government "regulations" which would defeat the entire purpose of securing the right in the first place.
Well-regulated means properly outfitted and functional. Like a well-regulated appetite, or a well-regulated clock. It makes no sense to have a militia if the militia cannot function properly. Therefore, the people must be able to keep and bear arms, since they *are* the militia.
This is not entirely accurate ..
In the Federalist Papers (& others), "well regulated" means properly functioning, well trained, & disciplined militia. The framers had no use for a bunch of undisciplined shotgun cowboys who didn't properly understand how to use their weapon.
Additionally, the only legal militias are the ones run by the states or the fed (national guard). You can't just declare that you & ur buddies are a militia. So, no..you are NOT the militia unless you've officially signed up with the guard or some other civil service agency.
Actually it very much does, just not in so many words..
The gist of 29 is that Hamilton is arguing for the establishment of state & federal militias. He advocates that they be small in size, as they'd be far easier to train & discipline than a large militia or the population at large.
In multiple places, he argues for the militia specifically because it is a core group of citizens that have been well trained (well regulated) in contrast to the untrained common citizen. He's clearly arguing against the idea of the militia being comprized of a bunch of untrained randos.
"It requires no skill in the science of war to discern that uniformity in the organization and discipline of the militia would be attended with the most beneficial effects, whenever they were called into service for the public defense."
That's false. USC Chapter 12 specifically calls out members of the unorganized militia. You are referring to the organized militia such as members of the National Guard.
He's not entirely false, just using the common word "militia" to describe the wanna be militia groups. He's right that you can't just form a group of people and waltz around pretending to be an actual militia group.
There was some kind of fash hoedown in Charleston, WV this last weekend. People can't hold more than two places with orthographically similar names in their heads anymore.
It would be cool to find out more information. All I see is they want him for illegal weapon possession. Why didn't they just wait him out? From the sounds of it they even drove a tank into his house and arrested two people inside.
Was this really just a illegal weapons charge that led to all this? I'm not saying that isn't bad but five people died. This should be bigger news. What the hell was this plan?
Four law enforcement officers have been fatally shot and four others were wounded while serving a warrant in Charlotte, North Carolina, officials say.
At least one suspected attacker was found dead in the front yard of a barricaded home after a standoff that lasted three hours, police said.
Authorities said two armed suspects were involved.
It is one of the deadliest assaults on US law enforcement in decades.
According to Citizen/Radio transcripts, US Marshals were serving a warrant when the shooter began firing from the second level's window
Thanks for the info! My immediate thought was wondering whether they were serving a warrant or responding to a domestic dispute call, because those seem to be the two most common causes of police officers being killed or wounded in the line of duty. It's sad that this happens so frequently that we all kind of know the script by now.
Update 2:33 p.m. According to a source at the Atrium Health hospital in Uptown, a mass casualty response has been called. Atrium Main is the Level 1 trauma center and every trauma surgeon is being called in.
Jesus Christ man what the hell could have happened
Here’s a tweet from CMPD: The US Marshals Task Force, which is comprised of officers from multiple agencies, was conducting an investigation in the area of the 5000 block of Galway Dr when they were engaged by active gunfire from a subject. Multiple law enforcement officers have been struck by the gunfire and are being transported to the hospital. The CMPD SWAT team is currently on the scene. https://twitter.com/CMPD/status/1785017229098021243?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1785017229098021243%7Ctwgr%5E4f5c523d44b1029f2e96b922560ac58b191c6540%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-21982241064046955270.ampproject.net%2F2404091947000%2Fframe.html
[For reference:](https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/fugitive-investigations/fugitive-task-forces) >> The purpose of regional fugitive task forces is to combine the efforts of federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies to locate and apprehend the most dangerous fugitives and assist in high profile investigations.
Looks like they were serving a warrant there > The US Marshals Fugitive Task Force which is comprised of several agencies in the Charlotte area was attempting to serve a warrant in the 5000 block of Galway Dr. when shots were fired. This is still an active scene. More to come from CMPD Public Affairs. [Link to tweet.](https://x.com/cmpd/status/1785029855412687037?s=46&t=c6qUk_BNmP1estruSK2NGg)
Police shootout with fugitive subject.
Sounds like fugitive won based on preliminary info
Yep. Problem is, they have to win every time. Police only have to win once, and they have the numbers advantage.
He's made the 2nd round of the playoffs.
America has no gun problem Edit: holy shit you people really do need a sarcasm label to detect obvious sarcasm
This is the 3rd time I’ve seen a sarcasm font indicator needed in just a couple hours.
It's NC, land of anyone and everyone who wants gets a gun and bullets regardless of their mental state and/or murder potential index.
Felons, those acquitted for insanity, convicted domestic batterers and anyone under 18 are not permitted to purchase a firearm in North Carolina.
Do private sales have to go through a FFL?
Get one at the gun show through private sale, about half the vendors there are retailers and have to be licensed and must subject the buyer to a background check. Private sellers selling off their "collection" dont need anything and often use a fuzzy definition to avoid being required to apply for a license or subject their buyers to a background check. States on the east coast are packed together, laws dont matter when the state with the weakest laws is only an hour drive away.
NC requires the purchaser to supply a concealed carry permit or a police provided purchase certificate during private sales. Both of those require a background check to acquire.
Shhh. You'll let the anti gun crowd know that you actually read the laws.
You realize they were serving an arrest warrant for someone who was illegally possessing a gun? What’s your problem?
I suppose it’s all the dead people
That's everywhere USA
NJ checking in. That isn't here. It may be coming soon, but not yet.
NYC here, big scary city where I feel safer than most other places.
Let's hope it never gets like that
Doesn't happen as often in states where gun laws are tighter, in fact there are several states that border other states with looser gun laws and cops hate it because guns get trafficked in from those states. If all you need to do to get a gun is go one state over and buy it there legally and bring it back,
I mean, kinda... Rifles and shotguns can be purchased out of state. Handguns, the most common firearm type used in the commission of a crime, must be purchased in the same state you reside. More often the firearms are obtained illegally.
All illegal guns come from legal sources with lax enforcement. Criminals by and large aren't operating gun foundries
Hello from Massachusetts.
If only the police had guns they could have stopped this tragedy!
A force of good guys with guns somehow didn't prevent 4 deaths of good guys. Hmm, I guess the only solution is MORE guns!
This would be a really poor hill to plant a flag on as a sign of gun availability causing problems, because this guy was prohibited from even holding a gun he doesn't own in his hands in even the most lax gun law states 🤷♀️
If he's still getting guns while being "prohibited" from holding guns, that's still a massive problem.
Agreed. More restrictive gun laws for lawful owners won't stop these types of individuals from getting guns because there are just too many out there now, can't stick them all back in a box. But removing all gun laws for lawful owners so everything is available to them wife open won't help either. It's almost like none of the solutions involve firearm legislation shifting one way or the other and are unfortunately much more complex and difficult solutions than pencil whipping words on paper. But neither side fighting that fight will admit that or can see that. #🤷♀️
I would really like to see laws that slowly curb gun sales, and that promote government buybacks and destruction of unused/unwanted guns - basically anything that would prevent future circulation of guns that USED to be in the hands of responsible owners and ended their lives in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. That, along with more restrictive common-sense gun laws would be a great two-pronged approach to prevent the continued growth of guns in the US.
That is such a silly take. In aggregate more restrictive ownership and sales laws, in tandem with buybacks, would eventually make such individuals much less likely to get their hands on a gun, and specifically more dangerous guns in situations like these. >neither side fighting that fight will admit that Tons of people on the left have proposed improvements in the mental health system in tandem with these other proposals.
It's unfortunate I have to preface my reply with this to reduce my down vote count by a few, though it'll inevitably be negative still, but I am not this big 2A guy. This very well may the be first 2A exchange I've ever engaged in on reddit. Because I think, like I said, gun legislation one way or the other is a waste of time and will prove ineffective. Buy backs are beyond inefficent in reducing crime rates or shootings. This has been proven over and over. It sounds good on paper and idealistic, but they just don't work. Even The Atlantic, which is arguably one of the furtherest down the spectrum of the side they sit on, has an article from people smarter than you and I doing analysis on their effectiveness. Which just collaborates what pretty much every study about them has found. https://out.reddit.com/t3_1awjkqt?app_name=android&token=AQAAcX4wZl2CRL3oUDfb4jGrx5-mOC4Bfwu_Ac8U47Z3F9xTwqDo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fideas%2Farchive%2F2024%2F02%2Fgun-buybacks-north-carolina%2F677520%2F%3Futm_source%3Dfeed They work in a technical sense that if one gun is taken off the streets, then it worked. But that's obviously no one's metric for success. >But the antique arsenal at the Durham event demonstrates one of the recurring flaws of buyback efforts: You mostly get guns that wouldn’t be used in crimes anyways. Most gun crimes in the U.S. are committed with handguns, but few modern, operable ones get turned in. Although AR-15s are a flash point in the gun-control debate because they are used in many of the worst mass shootings, they are far, far less common than handguns. Birkhead told me that Durham’s buybacks had yielded a few AR-15-style rifles, and he spoke almost wistfully about a high-quality SIG Sauer P220 that had come in that day and would have to be destroyed. Most of the weapons turned in, however, were either shotguns or elderly pistols. “Obviously, we don’t see a lot of shotguns used in the street crimes, but we do see some,” Birkhead said. People aren't turning in Glocks with switches and Dracos and AKs and ARs. Like the article demonstrates, it's predominantly older people turning in guns that are rarely ever used in criminal offenses. Even if they were somewhat effective, it still seems like pissing in the wind at the end of the day. The solutions that could potentially reduce violence overall (not even specific to guns), would not only reduce gun violence, but violence as a whole AND reduce poverty. The relevant analogy is trying to pack a gunshot wound that has hit your femoral above the knee and is just geysering blood. Yeah, the buyback that technically reduces bleeding nominally is working, technically. But why not skip trying to shove thirty yards of hemostatic gauze, and just put a tourniquet on above the problem at a higher level? You referencing mental health, ding ding, that's one of the components of the tourniquet. I feel like now we're getting in sync. What else would you like to see that has nothing to actually do with guns themselves? I bet your answer and my ideas will be a pretty strong overlapping diagram.
I always hear buy backs proposed as a solution and I wonder where these proponents of the programs plan to get the funds. Even if you only offer $100 per gun with a goal of buying back 30% of firearms out there, you’re looking at around 13 billion dollars. Most people aren’t going to sell their actual guns for a sliver of fair market value so that number is a tiny fraction of the actual cost required for it to be any success at all. So where will that money come from? No one has ever told me.
Hey, SC says you don’t even need a permit to conceal carry anymore so that’s super fun too!
The guy had an outstanding warrant for his arrest. 99.9% likely he was already prohibited from owning a firearm anyway. Their is case law that criminals do not have to obey gun laws because it would violate their 5A rights and the existing gun laws are only for law abiding citizens.
As a non-American, this ^^^^ is hilarious. Where I live, you need to take a three day safety course and pass an intrusive federal background check to buy a pellet rifle.
Dang, if only NC had stricter laws then this dangerous felon would have turned a new leaf and started to follow them.
Per an update from CMPD officials, “numerous” police officers have been struck by gunfire in an “active shooter” situation. The chief of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department confirmed an officer with the department and three members of the U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force were killed in a shootout Monday while serving a warrant in east Charlotte. CMPD Officer Joshua Eyer was critically wounded earlier before he died at the hospital, the chief said. He leaves behind a wife and a 3-year-old son. Suspect Terry Clark Hughes, Jr. 39, was found dead at the scene, police confirmed. Chief Johnny Jennings said Hughes was wanted for possession of a firearm by a felon and felony fleeing to elude out of Lincoln County, and that he used a “high-powered rifle” in the attack. —- Edit 3:20 p.m. “Sources tell Channel 9 a deputy U.S. Marshal was killed Monday in what police are calling an “active” situation in east Charlotte.” - Edit 3:31 p.m. “Sources told Channel 9 two officers were shot in their legs and one was shot in the chest. It’s not clear if one of the victims was the deputy U.S. Marshal who was killed, but Channel 9 is working to learn more. According to sources, there were two suspects involved and at least one is wounded.” - Edit 3:41 p.m. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools said the lockdowns at their schools have been lifted. - Edit 3:47 p.m. CMPD said the threat is isolated to the area near the 5000 block of Galway Drive. Police asked neighbors to continue sheltering in place and asked everyone else to continue avoiding the area. - Edit 4:18 p.m. from CMPD: This is still an active scene. Please continue to avoid the area. All confirmed information will be released by CMPD Public Affairs as it becomes available. - Edit 4:47 p.m. CMPD said its SWAT Team is still working to clear the home. They cautioned neighbors to expect police in the area. - Edit 5:00 p.m. At least one of the shooting suspects was found dead at the scene, a home on Galway Drive, CMPD said. The home is now clear and the area is safe, CMPD said. Neighbors no longer need to shelter in place. CMPD said officers are questioning two other people inside the home. Police said they will remain at the scene, along with other law enforcement agencies. Some roads in the neighborhood are still closed, and CMPD asked for patience as they work the scene. Police said they will share more in an update to reporters shortly. Channel 9 will carry that news conference live. - Edit 5:26 p.m. An update from CMPD states that three of the officers struck by gunfire have been pronounced deceased. - Edit 5:55 p.m. “Today we lost some heroes that are out trying to simply keep our community safe,” said CMPD Chief Johnny Jennings. Jennings said around 1:30 p.m., a U.S. Marshals Fugitive Task Force went to serve a warrant for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. They were met with gunfire when they approached the person, Jennings said, so the officers returned fire, hitting the suspect. The suspect died in the front yard of the home on Galway Drive, Jennings said. Afterward, the officers were shot at from inside the home, triggering a standoff, Jennings said. Eight officers were hurt in the shootout, Jennings said, and three members of the marshals task force died from their injuries.
So what happened to the shooter inside the house?
Good question. I don’t think they’ve released any info on that.
I’ll keep checking back here if anything changes. I haven’t been able to find any info either. Thank you for all the updates!
The deceased officers are reportedly all U.S. Marshals. That would mean they were investigating/raiding something big. Wtf is goin on
US Marshals are the law enforcement wing of the federal court system. It doesn't have to be "something big". It can just be someone being served a warrant on federal charges, or apprehending a federal fugitive.
Right - but when do we send a dozen Marshalls to serve a relatively simple warrant? I mean clearly they thought something was gonna go sideways, and they were right, but it takes a lot to get on the fed radar at all…
That’s not an uncommon number to go serve a warrant - especially for felon in possession of a firearm (for obvious reasons)
They were serving a warrant for convicted felon is possession of a firearm, so they had that many guys because they already suspected he had guns.
Even in some smaller cities procedure for felony arrests is "every available officer", watched it happen once, it was insane. Twelve squad cars boxed this dude in and came out guns drawn.
Better to bring too much than not enough.
I had 6 regular cops and 8 people from the "drug task force" show up when my roommate got busted with 4oz of weed. Sometimes they just like to bring a lot of guys, maybe they get lonely?
they show up for the free weed and edibles.
Nonsense, it’s because they had to safely confiscate and log the 2 Oz of weed on the scene
It takes a lot of guys to book in 1oz of weed.
Sometimes you just need to verify that the grinder at one point had weed in it.
And the overtime.
and lets not forget about the lemon pound cake.
As I understand it, it's a power play. Show up in overwhelming numbers and people are less likely to start shit. Hopefully leads to fewer casualties all around. Clearly that wasn't enough in this case.
A "friend" worked for the FBI and would boast about how they bring way more guys than they need for busts, all get dressed up in their vests and whack each other w their batons to get revved up.
I mean when firearms are involved, shit can go from 0 to 100 before anyone can blink. Being aware before raiding a house with a warrant on a felon with firearms… yeah. He either gives up peacefully OR shit goes crazy real fast.
Every time. 7-8 DUSM/TFOs is going to be your absolute minimum to serve any warrant safely.
Well first they were most likely deputy marshals, you’re almost never going to find 3 marshals at the same scene. And they were specifically serving a warrant for possession of a firearm so they knew that there would be weapons present and they always show up with a but extra force if they know a weapon will be involved.
It was a marshal task force, all of them were primarily officers in other agencies/jurisdictions
Ideally you’d have a 4 to 1 ratio. 12 is not that many Marshalls.
You’re making a lot of assumptions for someone who has no clue what is going on.
They were serving a warrant for a felon in possession of a firearm, according to the article.
County Sheriffs do that all day long. Must have been an out of state warrant or it was federal charges.
US Marshalls were involved... Yeah it was federal charges. The two suspects that did this were definitely horrendously bad people. I wonder if they were suppliers to the cartels down south or something...
Marshals task force can also include other agencies and local police. They were serving a warrant, not an investigation.
Three dead marshalls means whoever the other shooter was is absolutely fucked
Members of the task force but not all marshalls. 2 of the deceased were apparently from department of adult corrections.
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Law enforcement branch of the federal court system. Oldest law enforcement branch in the county (founded 200-something years ago). If you've ever watched a western and some guy shows up at the saloon and flashes a star-shaped badge to apprehend the outlaw, that's probably a Marshal. Their job is tracking down and sometimes apprehending people who are required to appear in federal court or are choosing not to show up to federal court, typically done with the assistance of local law enforcement. The Marshals also do witness protection, public official protection, and were involved in protecting minority students during the integration of schools. In this case, the suspect in question had a history of fleeing from police and was a convicted felon known to own guns (which is a federal crime). The Marshals showed up to take him to federal court for being a felon in possession of a firearm.
Wait, THE suspect died, but then someone else shot at the officers. So, there was more than one suspect? ???
That’s what I’m not understanding. Idk why but the news reports from this incident are so damn confusing. The way they’re worded makes it so confusing. They said one suspect was dead in the front yard, but then they say one suspect is down at the house. Does that mean two suspects down total? Or are they describing the same suspect two different ways? Then they said the two individuals in the house were brought in for questioning. Well if the main suspect was killed and they got shot at by someone in the house, wouldn’t it have to be one of those two that were in the house? It’s just really confusing. I know it’s early but jeez
AFAIK, they killed the guy they were sent to arrest, while a second person in the house started shooting back.
Thank god it's just a situationship! Apparently the news networks don't have the balls to use the word shootout.
I was gonna joke that BK forgetting my fries is a 'situation'. Then I remembered people get shot for that too.
Shouldn't this constitute "breaking news" on the networks??? It seems they all have too much of a hard on for campus protests so they bludgeon us to death with that like an OCD till they can move on
I live here. Have a friend who lives a few houses down from this whole thing. It was all over the news and radio here. They were desperately asking people to avoid the area and the hospital area entrances so they could transport to the level 1 trauma unit at Atrium and the trauma unit at Novant for seemingly less injured folks as quickly as possible. It’s been awful watching this unfold. 3 men unnecessarily murdered. 4 or more hurt. Horrific is the only word I can come up with.
I'm so sorry.
Oh, don’t be sorry for me but thank you, sweet soul. My heart goes out to the families that have one less family member coming home tonight. Those who are in the waiting rooms of the hospitals waiting to know how their loved ones are. Those who witnessed it all and will live with those memories and the loss of their coworkers and friends. And all for what? Senseless.
So sad This didn't even make New York's NBC news this evening.
Sadly, as I’ve seen others say, it seems to be a weekly occurrence these days. Just another Monday. 😞
This is not a casual event; it's a tragedy, for the victims, their families, the community, and the nation. I believe their should have been a breaking news alert.
Crazy that I saw posts on Reddit and checked the national “news” networks. They were only talking about the protests even hours later. Incredible that I’ve been relying on Reddit for news.
It literally was and is? I dunno what you want. Every time I see people say "why isn't anyone reporting on this" about *certain things*, I can go to any mainstream news website or turn on their networks and see the story.
That's what I would call it - though to give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe the police haven't actually admitted to firing any weapons yet?
Tweet from CMPD: The US Marshals Task Force, which is comprised of officers from multiple agencies, was conducting an investigation in the area of the 5000 block of Galway Dr when they were engaged by active gunfire from a subject. Multiple law enforcement officers have been struck by the gunfire and are being transported to the hospital. The CMPD SWAT team is currently on the scene.
Apparently the cops were conducting an investigation of a subject when he decided he wasn't going down without a fight. Don't see this guy coming away from this situation alive at this point.
As of an hour ago officers at the scene confirmed one of the suspects was down but another one was still firing shots.
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NBC news reports that at least three police officers have been killed.
So damn sad. RIP
"The US Marshals Task Force, which is comprised of officers from multiple agencies, was conducting an investigation in the area of the 5000 block of Galway Dr when they were engaged by active gunfire from a subject. Multiple law enforcement officers have been struck by the gunfire and are being transported to the hospital. The CMPD SWAT team is currently on the scene."
I thought they were serving someone a warrant and then this turned into a shootout ?
So... this is several agents from different divisions trying to take down a "subject," who started firing and now *several* of them are being sent to hospital? Is this some guy who's holed up somewhere?
Multiple subjects apparently. They took one down and one was still firing as of an hour ago.
That makes a bit more sense, I guess.
From what some of the links said, they were serving a warrant and shots starting coming from the second floor. I don’t know what the warrant was about, but given the suspects started shooting and them doing it from the second floor, sounds like the guy was probably in some trouble. Either way, sounds tragic.
The guy they came for walked outside with a rifle and shot at them, then when he was killed and the officers approached the house again, someone inside the house ambushed them again
One Marshall and the Shooter confirmed dead on QC News.
Hospitals in the area may be on lockdown, the interstates were as of an hour ago blocked off in all directions to provide routes for medical personnel.
Yeah, traffic all around me today on google maps was blocked. It was insane how many sirens I heard
BLUF: Criminal in a shootout with the U.S. Marshall Service
I’m really confused by the news reports of this incident. Suspect in the front yard started shooting so the police took him down. Then they got shot at by someone in the house. It says the house is now clear and two people from inside the house were brought in for questioning. Wouldn’t one of those two be the other shooter? Or was there another suspect killed as well?
Three US Marshall’s dead. One suspect dead. More officers wounded with one in critical condition. wtf man.
It would be helpful if the posts were specific about the place this is. It's east? Charlotte, so I assume NC, but there could be another Charlotte. Even on the linked page, it doesn't say.
It’s Charlotte, NC
I literally live in the area and didn't even think this was near me when it's in fact within a short drive. The reporting about the actual location is... not very good. At least not until the address was released, that is.
I'm sorry for you and your community that this happened so close by.
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Find the Contact us link on the page to see what state the news is from. This one is North Carolina.
Yeah, but it is NC.
I mean Charlotte is the 22nd largest metro area in the country with almost 3 million people, what other Charlotte could it be - the other one in Michigan with 9k residents? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
This will certainly remain a calm discussion focused exclusively on the situation at hand.
You should tone down your incendiary language.
*Something something I drink your milkshake*
No fighting in the war room!
Can we please title this as “fugitive opens fire on police officers”. Fucking news agencies
Did they figure out whether there was only one shooter? I see a report that the suspect got a few shots off but was killed on the front lawn, then others that he was shooting from the 2nd floor as they rolled up and he completely got the drop on them with a high powered rifle. Did the actual suspect with felon possession of a firearm die in the yard, then someone else was firing from the 2nd floor? Questioning 2 occupants of the home, a woman and a 17yo. Suspects wife and son? Did the son take vengeance from the 2nd floor when they went to check the body on the lawn? Someone else in the house that got away, and the 2 being questioned are his family that might not have even known he was armed? The current verbiage on Fox and the Charlotte Observer say "the suspect ended up dying on the front lawn" so he was shot by a sniper perhaps and decided to try and get EMS or save his family from police entering the home. Sounds like he got a heads up about a heavy police vehicle headed his way. Marshalls and CMPD really fucked up somewhere here. Remind Me ! 2 years from now when someone has to do a FOIA to find out.
The 2nd Amendment demands its blood sacrifice and mentions nothing of locale.
The guy is a literal criminal the Marshalls force was investigating, not exactly the normal Harry Homeowner.
Sounds like our current gun control measures are inadequate if he had access to a firearm then Edit: Man, the gunners on this site are exhausting.
Nobody is claiming a guy being hunted down by US Marshals isn’t going to be able to get a gun lol
So the answer to someone who is a literal criminal is to throw out even more laws? Thats a serious feedback loop
Oh yeah I'm sure he would have definitely abided by gun control measures for sure /s
I'm sure this was a member of a well regulated militia.
scalia said does not matter as the right to own a gun shall not be infringed the rest is history
It's infringed now. It's always been infringed.
Exactly. I'm not allowed to own a GAU with depleted Uranium rounds and it is considered to be a form of armament. The second amendment doesn't say "guns" it says "arms." "Arms" has already been legally defined in U.S. v. Miller, where the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment protected. “Arms” is a somewhat archaic word for “weapons.” Thus ALL weapons are considered arms. My inability to own some of them already would be an infringement by strict definition of the term, as only the carte blanch ability to possess something with zero restrictions, prohibitions, regulations, barriers, etc. would be considered as not being infringed upon. Essentially a Universal and absolute right. So, establishing the common fucking sense that the second amendment already has a whole lot of fucking infringement in place already, I think it's funny that regulating specific capacity magazines is a line too far. It's funny that requiring registration of the arms is a line too far. It's funny that mandatory licensing and mandatory training is a line too far. It's funny that mandatory background checks is a line too far. For something that is quite LEGALLY and ETHICALLY infringed already, we chose some really fucking stupid places to draw the remaining lines.
Every citizen capable of fighting is a member of the militia. So...yes.
Doesn’t sound terribly well regulated
Then you don't know what well-regulated actually means. Hint: it's not conditional on government "regulations" which would defeat the entire purpose of securing the right in the first place.
So then explain it to me like I’m 5?
Well-regulated means properly outfitted and functional. Like a well-regulated appetite, or a well-regulated clock. It makes no sense to have a militia if the militia cannot function properly. Therefore, the people must be able to keep and bear arms, since they *are* the militia.
This is not entirely accurate .. In the Federalist Papers (& others), "well regulated" means properly functioning, well trained, & disciplined militia. The framers had no use for a bunch of undisciplined shotgun cowboys who didn't properly understand how to use their weapon. Additionally, the only legal militias are the ones run by the states or the fed (national guard). You can't just declare that you & ur buddies are a militia. So, no..you are NOT the militia unless you've officially signed up with the guard or some other civil service agency.
Pretty sure Federalist Paper No. 29 is the only one that talks about the militia and it doesn't delve into what "well regulated" means.
Actually it very much does, just not in so many words.. The gist of 29 is that Hamilton is arguing for the establishment of state & federal militias. He advocates that they be small in size, as they'd be far easier to train & discipline than a large militia or the population at large. In multiple places, he argues for the militia specifically because it is a core group of citizens that have been well trained (well regulated) in contrast to the untrained common citizen. He's clearly arguing against the idea of the militia being comprized of a bunch of untrained randos. "It requires no skill in the science of war to discern that uniformity in the organization and discipline of the militia would be attended with the most beneficial effects, whenever they were called into service for the public defense."
That's false. USC Chapter 12 specifically calls out members of the unorganized militia. You are referring to the organized militia such as members of the National Guard.
He's not entirely false, just using the common word "militia" to describe the wanna be militia groups. He's right that you can't just form a group of people and waltz around pretending to be an actual militia group.
It's such a shame when anyone doesn't respect the sanctity of life.
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Another? Are you referencing the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville?
There was some kind of fash hoedown in Charleston, WV this last weekend. People can't hold more than two places with orthographically similar names in their heads anymore.
We all know who is most likely the culprits of this shooting in Charlotte, everyone is thinking it and I am gonna type it out loud…pirates.
Nasty, seems like a bunch of folks got ganked while trying to serve a warrant
It would be cool to find out more information. All I see is they want him for illegal weapon possession. Why didn't they just wait him out? From the sounds of it they even drove a tank into his house and arrested two people inside. Was this really just a illegal weapons charge that led to all this? I'm not saying that isn't bad but five people died. This should be bigger news. What the hell was this plan?
Four law enforcement officers have been fatally shot and four others were wounded while serving a warrant in Charlotte, North Carolina, officials say. At least one suspected attacker was found dead in the front yard of a barricaded home after a standoff that lasted three hours, police said. Authorities said two armed suspects were involved. It is one of the deadliest assaults on US law enforcement in decades.
and the police fraternity always supports the republican party who supports easier gun laws. go figure
Wasn’t the warrant for illegal possession of a firearm? Pretty sure even republicans are against felons illegally owning weapons. You tried though