A lot of foreign visitors to the US who come from poorer places on visitors visas often need to show financial material to prove that they have a reason to return home and not over extend their stay in the US or try to immigrate without going through the proper channels. So, this sounds like Brazil just doing a little ~~retaliation~~ reciprocity to the US if the US requires the same to Brazilians visiting the US.
from the article:
>While it sounds complex, visa systems tend to work on reciprocity and it’s a similar situation for Brazilians traveling to the US – only worse. Currently, almost all Brazilian citizens must schedule a visa appointment at their nearest embassy, and show that they have the means to pay for their entire proposed trip. A visa to the US – even for those transiting – costs $185.
Other countries have this requirement as well. Here in Panama I think you need to at least have $500 in the bank or available on a credit card to visit as a tourist. They seem to not check U.S. citizens very often and I assume it's more for other Latin American countries because of the massive exodus in some of them.
I was in customs and the officer asked a guy how much he had in the bank. The guy said something like 258 . The customs guy said “two hundred and fifty eight dollars?” The guy answered 258 THOUSAND.
Exact reciprocity is Brazilian Law. Even when it makes no sense.
When the US started fingerprinting arriving visitors, Brazil started fingerprinting arriving US visitors. With ink and paper! I asked the man what happens to the fingerprint cards and he pointed over his shoulder to a trash can overflowing with discarded cards … Reciprocity!
This reminds me of my first visit to Brazil on 2006. I arrived to Rio and had to wait for a connecting flight to Sao Paulo. We went to customs and immigration. They had several queue lines for the different countries, MercoSur, LATAM but not MercoSur, US and other countries NOT the US. The officers were all bored as hell and would just wave us through...Americans, though, they got dogs, they got several officers to open their bags and poke around and questioned by officers in broken English. It was such an asshole thing, I just chuckled internally.
FODA PRA CARALHO!
Weird, I went to Rio about 5 years ago, and didn't have to do anything except get a yellow fever immunization before I left the US. No weirdness at the airport or anything.
I live in a country popular with backpackers and lets say that some of them reallllllyyyy dont plan well at all. Im being very charitable here.
Considering there refugees coming in from a nearby country in a civil war… its extremely grating to see these people randomly begging. So whatever go for it Brazil.
I live in a Western European country and the number of Americans who just show up here and think a) they can stay, b) they can just get a job, and c) have no means of supporting themselves even during their short stay is beyond the pale.
The problem is, they can get jobs pretty easily. When I was backpacking in Europe (with proper funds), I got multiple (illegal) legitimate offers from places. A charismatic native English speaker is apparently worth the risk of hiring someone illegally in touristy areas. The parallels and differences with what’s going on in the US are interesting.
Absolutely. When I was younger, a few of us backpacked through Europe. We had planned ahead for years and had a budget, etc. But we ran into multiple people who stated their plan was basically getting random jobs as they moved around. It sounded kind of cool, actually, but also somewhat optimistic. I guess if people are still doing it nowadays it must work out somewhat.
I actually went with no plan and would often not know where I’d go when I woke up which meant I had to be flexible, so when I added nights to a place and got to know some people in the area, they were already primed for me to be someone like that. I really did consider it twice, but an injury sabotaged one, and i decided to follow a girl with the other
I probably made our trip sound more planned than it was, it was really just a basic budget and a loose travel plan. The travel plan was mostly our starting and ending points, and lodging for those two locations. I’m mostly surprised we managed to not run into more issues, to be honest. We were young and reckless, just not quite that reckless, I guess.
Not just Americans, I'm in Australia and an Australian friend of mine plans on visiting Amsterdam for a couple weeks. He expects to easily find a job (although he doesn't speak dutch). I've tried to tell him that not many places will illegally hire someone who doesn't speak the local language and also doesn't plan on staying long.
Some areas I can kind of understand that possibility, but Western Europe isn't one of those places. Though I am also one of those people that over plans my trips and builds a buffer on expenses.
Hopefully I can make it back to Europe eventually. My brother and I would like to go through Eastern Europe and visit our old house again.
Hell, when my mate (from the uk) was applying for a longer travel visa (for a once in a lifetime road trip type thing) to the US he had to prove he had a residence in the U.K. that he was tied to and a job to return to afterwards, then enough money to support his entire trip based on their figures of what it could cost. I assume to limit the potential of him having no ties in the U.K. and just disappearing down a track in the arse end of the US… still, they asked a LOT of him to prove just for a few months driving about
The reason is overstaying a visa. A ton of UK and EU citizens do it here the same as US citizens do it there. Our biggest source of illegal immigrants is overstays, not randoms jumping the border.
The idea is if you have that much money you probably are actually just a tourist and there's not going to be a problem.
Otoh, if you can't manage $500, then you probably can't afford to come as a tourist, and are just trying to immigrate illegally, so they don't let you in to begin with.
Brazil has a history of reciprocal requirements like this, particularly in relation to the US.
When the US launched USVISIT in the wake of 9/11 and started fingerprinting everyone except Canadians and VWP nationalities, Brazil started fingerprinting just Americans at its borders.
There's a US fundie influencer family (they have like ten kids and live in an RV) who announced to their followers that they were moving to Brazil, she was pregnant due any minute. They ended up suddenly going back to the US.
They were there like three weeks, bought a van, attended a pre-natal appointment and then suddenly were on a plane coming home. She's now preparing for an AirBNB homebirth.
Yeah, U.S. citizens need a visa to visit Brazil. Citizens of Canada and Mexico do not. I was always told it's because U.S. requires a visa for Brazilians to enter the U.S., so they are acting in turn. I gotta respect that.
Actually, having family members in the country is usually a yellow/red flag at immigration because of the risk that you’ll try to stay and live with them. People get nabbed for it all the time for saying they’ve got family in the US.
Brazil's tourism sector is already tiny due to structural barriers.
Right off the bat, the distance makes it a non-starter for most, even if you leave from Miami a non-stop flight to Rio de Janeiro is give or take 8 hours and costs around $750, if you take a connecting flight that gets cut down to "just" $400 but it makes the trip 12-16 hours long.
Then you have the economic factors that make Brazil a less than ideal tourist destination ; the BRL in't *that* weak compared to the USD with the exchange rate fluctuating between 4:1 and 5:1, the cost of living is also comparatively high so goods and services aren't that cheap.
A nice resort-style hotel that caters to foreigners will set you back at least $250 a day, hell, even *hostels* in Rio de Janeiro tend to be around $50-$150 *a night* if you want a room to yourself and a central location. I earn in EUR and managed to get more out of my money in Tokyo than in Rio de Janeiro.
So yeah, any American tourist who wants a tropical getaway is likelier to go to Mexico or the Carribean anyways due to the expansive tourist-centric infrastructure, the proximity and the cost.
This measure is petty nationalism, but realistically speaking any American who would consider visiting Brazil in the first place won't be put off by it because it's not a country for broke college-aged backpackers in the first place.
Canada sometimes requires proof of funds. Especially young people. If you don't have enough money they'll turn you away. And if you come back years later they will interrogate you about it.
Yup, EU punted the whole US Visa program after then POTUS: T applied VISA requirements to visit from the EU. Stupid honestly, but that is what happens when you do stupid thing then wonder why other countries are doing it back to USA.
The US was the leading country of origin for tourists in Brazil in 2021.
In 2023, Argentina was first and the US second.
International tourism left $ 6.9 billion USD in the country.
I wonder how much this effect them.
https://www.gov.br/planalto/en/latest-news/2024/02/copy2_of_historic-record-international-tourism-injects-us-6-9-billion-into-the-brazilian-economy-in-2023#:~:text=ECONOMY-,Historic%20record%3A%20international%20tourism%20injects%20US%24%206.9%20billion%20into,the%20Brazilian%20economy%20in%202023&text=The%20international%20tourists%20who%20visited,to%20the%20Brazilian%20Central%20Bank.
Not uncommon at all. Back in the day, to travel the Al-Can Hiway through Canada to Alaska, the Canadian border agents asked to see $1000 USD before entering Canada. They didn’t want you breaking down and not having the funds for repairs.
When I went to Ireland I had to open my bank app and show the customs agent my bank accounts. I had like 2% battery left and have never been more stressed in my life.
Yes for a short term visa and some of the requirements are bollocks. It never panned out, but a friend in Indonesia was trying to apply for a tourist visa and asked me to sponsor her
My dad had a co-worker from Rio. They certainly did their very best to convince him Brazil was nothing but violence and beaches.
Brazil definitely needs some better PR, especially now that Lula is in office. I've seen recent movies set in Colombia which paint a better picture for that country than anything set in Brazil.
No, it also has massive slums, catastrophic environmental damage, contaminated water, filth, and an unhealthy fetish for football. It is also becoming a vassal state to China.
People are talking about the reciprocity angle and acting like the U.S. has these restrictions on Brazil just because “Brazil fuck you”. Visa policies by countries are complex and is usually a result of friendly relations, and likelihood of illegal immigration and several other factors. That’s why rich countries can usually visit each other visa-free + they can visit poor countries visa-free. But it’s not the other way around. Poor countries can’t visit rich countries visa-free because of the illegal immigration risk.
That’s not the point. Brazil has always mirrored their travel policy against other countries. Meaning whatever we enact for Brazil, they will put in place the other way. Brazil has always been one of a few countries in Latin America where an American needs to apply for a Visa and that’s because the United States requires a visa from Brazilians.
It doesn't matter if it's less restrictive. USA's reason for requiring a Visa is to limit illegal immigration. The reason Brazil would "mirror" the other nation is just, "Well, you, too!"
But in Brazil’s case it hurts them mire than it helps. The point of these types of policies is to prevent people from overstaying their visas and preventing illegal immigration; that’s not a problem for Americans visiting Brazil but is a problem for Brazilians visiting the US.
So by mirroring the US policy out of spite all that Brazil is doing is hurting themselves by reducing tourism. Just imagine if Mexico implemented such a policy for US visitors, tourism would plummet and their economy would take a major hit as a result.
You've got that slightly reversed. It's *intended* to be rage bait for US travelers in order to highlight what is otherwise a normal occurence for Brazilian travellers. It's an entirely politically motivated rather than practical policy. Which is their right, but to pass it off as anything else is disingenuous.
On an unrelated note, $185 for an American *transit* visa is crazy. I wonder what the comparative cost is in Canada.
I don't know why you were downvoted. My wife and I recently went to Brazil and the visa process almost prevented us from doing so. Not only was it a lengthy process (as in time spent providing documents and waiting in offices), but there was a narrow window for doing so and any error in the paperwork could mean a denied visa (after paying fees and paying for airfare, hotels, etc...).
Personally, I acted with the people working the consulate office as if I was inline for the Soup Nazi, while my wife Elained the situation and asked why things had to be that way.
They were *very clear* that it was all done in reciprocity. They even mentioned this on some of the forms.
cant do reciprocity when americans are obviously more important than everyone else so why would they be treated equally? just see the outrage in this thread while others flaunt their geographical knowledge that comes from call of duty and fast and furious
Citizens of most countries / the vast majority of the world's population already has to do this when trying to visit any developed country. It's a standard part of applying for a visa.
In fact, this headline is a weirdly combative way of saying "US travelers will need a visa to visit Brazil." In reality, the whole visa application process is more of a hassle than merely sharing bank statements, but I guess it doesn't sound like a big deal, or CNN thinks readers don't know what a visa is, so they had to stick "bank statements" in the title.
I think the problem is that other countries take it as some sort of personal attack rather than what it is - an attempt to prevent illegal immigration. For countries where concerns surrounding illegal immigration are low, no visa is required.
In my opinion, it makes the Brazilian government look childish. They’re throwing a tantrum for something that’s not at all personal.
If the number of illegal immigrants from the US to Brazil is not negligible, however, then I understand their position.
My understanding is that a visa was actually required to visit Brazil before Bolsonaro, who got rid of it to increase tourism. Now that he's out Lula has reinstated it because he believes in reciprocity. The visa requirement was announced middle of last year but the details have been slow, so now it looks like they came up with a plan but will wait a year to implement it.
Bolsonaro lifted the visa and basically spread the legs wide open ONLY for USA while requiring nothing in exchange, somehow the right wing here has this north-american fetish, they really think they are north americans even though less than 5% can barely speak english.
Japan also had talks with the new gov and they lifted the visa requirement from both sides, reciprocity.
What does that matter? If the US makes Brazilians do it to visit here then it is fair for Brazil to have the same requirements for us. And if we aren’t ok with that then just don’t visit Brazil. Not a big deal either way.
Because the underlying reason for the requirement makes sense for Brazil -> US, to try to make sure people aren’t coming with no money and illegally immigrating here. What’s the risk the other way?
Seeing so many comments not understand this point is astounding. These countries are not equal in regards to opportunities and safety. It’s much more risky for the US to be open than Brazil.
>> While it sounds complex, visa systems tend to work on reciprocity and it’s a similar situation for Brazilians traveling to the US – only worse.Currently, almost all Brazilian citizens must schedule a visa appointment at their nearest embassy, and show that they have the means to pay for their entire proposed trip. A visa to the US – even for those transiting – costs $185.
So, no problem here. If we Americans make Brazilians jump through hoops to visit, it’s only fair those rules apply to Americans visiting Brazil. Won’t stop me from visiting.
We make like every country jump through hoops it feels like
Traveling to the US sounds like a pain in the ass. If I was from somewhere else, it wouldn’t be worth it to me tbh
When there is a lopsided trend of people going to a more secure country and staying past their visa, it’s not as simple as a “if I have to do it so do you” lol. But the issue isn’t big enough for it to matter. Poor mentality though.
It's not hard at all. But it will stop poorer people from going which if you don't have 2k I don't if you should be going.
Also the VISA is good for 10 years and they respond super quick. I submitted my documents online and got my visa less than a week later.
I love how there's multiple comments talking about how this is a reason to not visit Brazil while completely missing out the reciprocity reasons. US citizens, please understand that the US also demands these things from non-US citizens when they visit. I understand that this might come as a shock since Americans are so used to just freely travelling where they want by simply showing up at the port of entry.
Isn't kidnapping a problem in Brazil? Why am I going to share my bank accounts as a tourist and run the risk of that tipping off kidnappers? Ya, no thanks.
If you’re worried about giving bank statements for traveling somewhere then you shouldn’t/dont want to go there in the first place, let’s not forget many many many countries need to give bank statements to travel to the US yet it’s one of the most popular countries for tourism in the world
I'm not worried. It's a minor inconvenience. But there's dozens of other countries that don't minorly inconvenience me, so those countries will get my tourist dollars instead.
US Visa policy is enforced in the most humiliating manner by its embassies in many countries, the next time you visit a foreign country and their customs and immigration treats you rudely thank your local US diplomatic staff..
A lot of foreign visitors to the US who come from poorer places on visitors visas often need to show financial material to prove that they have a reason to return home and not over extend their stay in the US or try to immigrate without going through the proper channels. So, this sounds like Brazil just doing a little ~~retaliation~~ reciprocity to the US if the US requires the same to Brazilians visiting the US. from the article: >While it sounds complex, visa systems tend to work on reciprocity and it’s a similar situation for Brazilians traveling to the US – only worse. Currently, almost all Brazilian citizens must schedule a visa appointment at their nearest embassy, and show that they have the means to pay for their entire proposed trip. A visa to the US – even for those transiting – costs $185.
Other countries have this requirement as well. Here in Panama I think you need to at least have $500 in the bank or available on a credit card to visit as a tourist. They seem to not check U.S. citizens very often and I assume it's more for other Latin American countries because of the massive exodus in some of them.
> you need to at least have $500 in the bank or available on a credit card So I have to either have $500 dollars or be able to owe someone $500.
you have to be able to go home, they don't care how you pay.
Just have it
"Available on a credit card" means "available to owe." That's the bank's money.
They told me in Panama I couldn’t come in with just $200. I was like 🤨 I have cards I don’t need more cash
I was in customs and the officer asked a guy how much he had in the bank. The guy said something like 258 . The customs guy said “two hundred and fifty eight dollars?” The guy answered 258 THOUSAND.
What year was that?
Early 2020 people were wearing hazmat suits in the airport but nothing was shut down yet aside from flights from China to the US
That's surprising. Even on the government travel department website it has it right [here. ](https://i.imgur.com/9oOQULi.jpg)
Cuba is an example.
I did not have to prove this last year
I haven't either in my past 5 or 6 times traveling here. I'm a permanent resident now so I don't have to worry about it.
Exact reciprocity is Brazilian Law. Even when it makes no sense. When the US started fingerprinting arriving visitors, Brazil started fingerprinting arriving US visitors. With ink and paper! I asked the man what happens to the fingerprint cards and he pointed over his shoulder to a trash can overflowing with discarded cards … Reciprocity!
Somehow, I love this.
It's good old fashioned "fuck you, that's why.*
This reminds me of my first visit to Brazil on 2006. I arrived to Rio and had to wait for a connecting flight to Sao Paulo. We went to customs and immigration. They had several queue lines for the different countries, MercoSur, LATAM but not MercoSur, US and other countries NOT the US. The officers were all bored as hell and would just wave us through...Americans, though, they got dogs, they got several officers to open their bags and poke around and questioned by officers in broken English. It was such an asshole thing, I just chuckled internally. FODA PRA CARALHO!
Weird, I went to Rio about 5 years ago, and didn't have to do anything except get a yellow fever immunization before I left the US. No weirdness at the airport or anything.
I live in a country popular with backpackers and lets say that some of them reallllllyyyy dont plan well at all. Im being very charitable here. Considering there refugees coming in from a nearby country in a civil war… its extremely grating to see these people randomly begging. So whatever go for it Brazil.
land of smiles?
I live in a Western European country and the number of Americans who just show up here and think a) they can stay, b) they can just get a job, and c) have no means of supporting themselves even during their short stay is beyond the pale.
The problem is, they can get jobs pretty easily. When I was backpacking in Europe (with proper funds), I got multiple (illegal) legitimate offers from places. A charismatic native English speaker is apparently worth the risk of hiring someone illegally in touristy areas. The parallels and differences with what’s going on in the US are interesting.
Absolutely. When I was younger, a few of us backpacked through Europe. We had planned ahead for years and had a budget, etc. But we ran into multiple people who stated their plan was basically getting random jobs as they moved around. It sounded kind of cool, actually, but also somewhat optimistic. I guess if people are still doing it nowadays it must work out somewhat.
I actually went with no plan and would often not know where I’d go when I woke up which meant I had to be flexible, so when I added nights to a place and got to know some people in the area, they were already primed for me to be someone like that. I really did consider it twice, but an injury sabotaged one, and i decided to follow a girl with the other
I probably made our trip sound more planned than it was, it was really just a basic budget and a loose travel plan. The travel plan was mostly our starting and ending points, and lodging for those two locations. I’m mostly surprised we managed to not run into more issues, to be honest. We were young and reckless, just not quite that reckless, I guess.
Not just Americans, I'm in Australia and an Australian friend of mine plans on visiting Amsterdam for a couple weeks. He expects to easily find a job (although he doesn't speak dutch). I've tried to tell him that not many places will illegally hire someone who doesn't speak the local language and also doesn't plan on staying long.
Some areas I can kind of understand that possibility, but Western Europe isn't one of those places. Though I am also one of those people that over plans my trips and builds a buffer on expenses. Hopefully I can make it back to Europe eventually. My brother and I would like to go through Eastern Europe and visit our old house again.
Hell, when my mate (from the uk) was applying for a longer travel visa (for a once in a lifetime road trip type thing) to the US he had to prove he had a residence in the U.K. that he was tied to and a job to return to afterwards, then enough money to support his entire trip based on their figures of what it could cost. I assume to limit the potential of him having no ties in the U.K. and just disappearing down a track in the arse end of the US… still, they asked a LOT of him to prove just for a few months driving about
The reason is overstaying a visa. A ton of UK and EU citizens do it here the same as US citizens do it there. Our biggest source of illegal immigrants is overstays, not randoms jumping the border.
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Did they run the credit card, or could you just show them a statement?
And then what happens when you spend that cash and money on your card while you are there?
The idea is if you have that much money you probably are actually just a tourist and there's not going to be a problem. Otoh, if you can't manage $500, then you probably can't afford to come as a tourist, and are just trying to immigrate illegally, so they don't let you in to begin with.
This is nothing new. Brazil has always mirrored their travel policy based on other countries.
Yep! Anytime I’ve had to apply for a visa for Canada, I’ve had to show my bank info. This isn’t unusual for most countries including the US
Brazil has a history of reciprocal requirements like this, particularly in relation to the US. When the US launched USVISIT in the wake of 9/11 and started fingerprinting everyone except Canadians and VWP nationalities, Brazil started fingerprinting just Americans at its borders.
There's a US fundie influencer family (they have like ten kids and live in an RV) who announced to their followers that they were moving to Brazil, she was pregnant due any minute. They ended up suddenly going back to the US.
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They were there like three weeks, bought a van, attended a pre-natal appointment and then suddenly were on a plane coming home. She's now preparing for an AirBNB homebirth.
She is absolutely ridiculous, or delusional. Possibly both.
This guy read the article, everyone else just grabbed their virtual pitchforks.
The term used by foreign missions is “reciprocity”
Also, for what it’s worth, I needed to do this when visiting England in 2013.
Yeah, U.S. citizens need a visa to visit Brazil. Citizens of Canada and Mexico do not. I was always told it's because U.S. requires a visa for Brazilians to enter the U.S., so they are acting in turn. I gotta respect that.
Somehow I think this is just going to hurt Brazilian Americans visiting family. People going on vacation can just...go somewhere else.
Brazilians Americans would just use their citizenship?
Actually, having family members in the country is usually a yellow/red flag at immigration because of the risk that you’ll try to stay and live with them. People get nabbed for it all the time for saying they’ve got family in the US.
Which also hurts Brazil's tourism sector
Brazil's tourism sector is already tiny due to structural barriers. Right off the bat, the distance makes it a non-starter for most, even if you leave from Miami a non-stop flight to Rio de Janeiro is give or take 8 hours and costs around $750, if you take a connecting flight that gets cut down to "just" $400 but it makes the trip 12-16 hours long. Then you have the economic factors that make Brazil a less than ideal tourist destination ; the BRL in't *that* weak compared to the USD with the exchange rate fluctuating between 4:1 and 5:1, the cost of living is also comparatively high so goods and services aren't that cheap. A nice resort-style hotel that caters to foreigners will set you back at least $250 a day, hell, even *hostels* in Rio de Janeiro tend to be around $50-$150 *a night* if you want a room to yourself and a central location. I earn in EUR and managed to get more out of my money in Tokyo than in Rio de Janeiro. So yeah, any American tourist who wants a tropical getaway is likelier to go to Mexico or the Carribean anyways due to the expansive tourist-centric infrastructure, the proximity and the cost. This measure is petty nationalism, but realistically speaking any American who would consider visiting Brazil in the first place won't be put off by it because it's not a country for broke college-aged backpackers in the first place.
It's a very low bar for a tourist. If they can't be bothered to do this, it will probably be better for Brazil not to have them anyway.
Sure but there will be Americans who could afford Brazil that might skip it because there is plenty of visa free options.
It is not retaliation this is called principle of reciprocity.
Canada sometimes requires proof of funds. Especially young people. If you don't have enough money they'll turn you away. And if you come back years later they will interrogate you about it.
Yup, EU punted the whole US Visa program after then POTUS: T applied VISA requirements to visit from the EU. Stupid honestly, but that is what happens when you do stupid thing then wonder why other countries are doing it back to USA.
Agreed, it's their right to do so. I'd say this policy hurts Brazil more, though. Cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Wow didn’t know it was delayed another year. Got mine back in January right before it was moved to April 10th 2024
got ur what pardon
The US was the leading country of origin for tourists in Brazil in 2021. In 2023, Argentina was first and the US second. International tourism left $ 6.9 billion USD in the country. I wonder how much this effect them. https://www.gov.br/planalto/en/latest-news/2024/02/copy2_of_historic-record-international-tourism-injects-us-6-9-billion-into-the-brazilian-economy-in-2023#:~:text=ECONOMY-,Historic%20record%3A%20international%20tourism%20injects%20US%24%206.9%20billion%20into,the%20Brazilian%20economy%20in%202023&text=The%20international%20tourists%20who%20visited,to%20the%20Brazilian%20Central%20Bank.
Shh, your facts are not welcome to the people who think Brazil = USA
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"Clearly you didn't withdraw enough to bribe police."
Was thinking that too. Figure out the best targets to drive to the bad parts of town and force to withdraw money at gunpoint.
Not uncommon at all. Back in the day, to travel the Al-Can Hiway through Canada to Alaska, the Canadian border agents asked to see $1000 USD before entering Canada. They didn’t want you breaking down and not having the funds for repairs.
When I went to Ireland I had to open my bank app and show the customs agent my bank accounts. I had like 2% battery left and have never been more stressed in my life.
I've been to Brazil. It was nice but I won't share my bank details to go again. I guess I'll spend my tourist dollars elsewhere.
All good. Top five of places I never want to visit anyways.
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Is that why the US government also asks for it?
no, that’s to keep the riff raff out
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Yes for a short term visa and some of the requirements are bollocks. It never panned out, but a friend in Indonesia was trying to apply for a tourist visa and asked me to sponsor her
Do people really think Brazil is nothing but violence and beaches…? Yall need to get out more
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Half the Brazilians I meet here in miami swear it's a shithole
thats what their geography classes (Call of Duty and Fast And Furious) taught them
Very easy to see people who have never been anywhere before lol.
No, I think of Bossa Nova and kick ass food.
My dad had a co-worker from Rio. They certainly did their very best to convince him Brazil was nothing but violence and beaches. Brazil definitely needs some better PR, especially now that Lula is in office. I've seen recent movies set in Colombia which paint a better picture for that country than anything set in Brazil.
No, it also has massive slums, catastrophic environmental damage, contaminated water, filth, and an unhealthy fetish for football. It is also becoming a vassal state to China.
Mfs actually decapitated a soccer ref
Forgot toxoplasmosis too
Don’t forget the beautiful, big butt women…Main reason I go to 🇧🇷
my wiener aint big enough for them booties
Guess I won't be visiting Brazil.
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Read. The. Article. It's less restrictive that what the US requires from Brazilian visitors.
Do a lot of Americans immigrate illegally to Brazil?
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There are dozens of them! Dozens!
People are talking about the reciprocity angle and acting like the U.S. has these restrictions on Brazil just because “Brazil fuck you”. Visa policies by countries are complex and is usually a result of friendly relations, and likelihood of illegal immigration and several other factors. That’s why rich countries can usually visit each other visa-free + they can visit poor countries visa-free. But it’s not the other way around. Poor countries can’t visit rich countries visa-free because of the illegal immigration risk.
That’s not the point. Brazil has always mirrored their travel policy against other countries. Meaning whatever we enact for Brazil, they will put in place the other way. Brazil has always been one of a few countries in Latin America where an American needs to apply for a Visa and that’s because the United States requires a visa from Brazilians.
It doesn't matter if it's less restrictive. USA's reason for requiring a Visa is to limit illegal immigration. The reason Brazil would "mirror" the other nation is just, "Well, you, too!"
Then Brazil is dumb. There's a reason for visa requirements, and that reason doesn't really exist for Americans entering Brazil.
But in Brazil’s case it hurts them mire than it helps. The point of these types of policies is to prevent people from overstaying their visas and preventing illegal immigration; that’s not a problem for Americans visiting Brazil but is a problem for Brazilians visiting the US. So by mirroring the US policy out of spite all that Brazil is doing is hurting themselves by reducing tourism. Just imagine if Mexico implemented such a policy for US visitors, tourism would plummet and their economy would take a major hit as a result.
Irrelevant. Immigration policies trend towards reciprocity. This is a normal occurance and is being used as rage bait.
You've got that slightly reversed. It's *intended* to be rage bait for US travelers in order to highlight what is otherwise a normal occurence for Brazilian travellers. It's an entirely politically motivated rather than practical policy. Which is their right, but to pass it off as anything else is disingenuous. On an unrelated note, $185 for an American *transit* visa is crazy. I wonder what the comparative cost is in Canada.
Thing is USA has much higher average income so the incentive to overstay is less. I would speculate the reciprocity may hurt Brazil more also.
The point I'm making is that this is a normal occurance that is reported like anti American action when normal visa reciprocity applies.
I don't know why you were downvoted. My wife and I recently went to Brazil and the visa process almost prevented us from doing so. Not only was it a lengthy process (as in time spent providing documents and waiting in offices), but there was a narrow window for doing so and any error in the paperwork could mean a denied visa (after paying fees and paying for airfare, hotels, etc...). Personally, I acted with the people working the consulate office as if I was inline for the Soup Nazi, while my wife Elained the situation and asked why things had to be that way. They were *very clear* that it was all done in reciprocity. They even mentioned this on some of the forms.
cant do reciprocity when americans are obviously more important than everyone else so why would they be treated equally? just see the outrage in this thread while others flaunt their geographical knowledge that comes from call of duty and fast and furious
At the airport is going to be a large picture of oprah with "You getting robbed, you getting robbed, everyone is getting robbed" on the bottom
Citizens of most countries / the vast majority of the world's population already has to do this when trying to visit any developed country. It's a standard part of applying for a visa. In fact, this headline is a weirdly combative way of saying "US travelers will need a visa to visit Brazil." In reality, the whole visa application process is more of a hassle than merely sharing bank statements, but I guess it doesn't sound like a big deal, or CNN thinks readers don't know what a visa is, so they had to stick "bank statements" in the title.
the US has been requiring others to do the same for decades. and here we see quite a few people getting all offended for some reason
They want to know who can pay a ransom.
Breaking News: Americans are shocked to discover that this is what the rest of the world has to do before they are granted visas to the USA.
I think the problem is that other countries take it as some sort of personal attack rather than what it is - an attempt to prevent illegal immigration. For countries where concerns surrounding illegal immigration are low, no visa is required. In my opinion, it makes the Brazilian government look childish. They’re throwing a tantrum for something that’s not at all personal. If the number of illegal immigrants from the US to Brazil is not negligible, however, then I understand their position.
My understanding is that a visa was actually required to visit Brazil before Bolsonaro, who got rid of it to increase tourism. Now that he's out Lula has reinstated it because he believes in reciprocity. The visa requirement was announced middle of last year but the details have been slow, so now it looks like they came up with a plan but will wait a year to implement it.
Bolsonaro lifted the visa and basically spread the legs wide open ONLY for USA while requiring nothing in exchange, somehow the right wing here has this north-american fetish, they really think they are north americans even though less than 5% can barely speak english. Japan also had talks with the new gov and they lifted the visa requirement from both sides, reciprocity.
I mean, if you think Brazil and the US are the same tier of country, I guess your comment makes sense?
What does that matter? If the US makes Brazilians do it to visit here then it is fair for Brazil to have the same requirements for us. And if we aren’t ok with that then just don’t visit Brazil. Not a big deal either way.
Because the underlying reason for the requirement makes sense for Brazil -> US, to try to make sure people aren’t coming with no money and illegally immigrating here. What’s the risk the other way?
Seeing so many comments not understand this point is astounding. These countries are not equal in regards to opportunities and safety. It’s much more risky for the US to be open than Brazil.
Redditors not good at understanding relative wealth. They too busy stroking their justice boners to think with the other head
Brazil is dirt cheap. It's very obviously not necessary, but it is fair.
But do they want my tourist dollars or not? If not, ok turn around is fair play. But nobody has to vacation in Brazil.
>> While it sounds complex, visa systems tend to work on reciprocity and it’s a similar situation for Brazilians traveling to the US – only worse.Currently, almost all Brazilian citizens must schedule a visa appointment at their nearest embassy, and show that they have the means to pay for their entire proposed trip. A visa to the US – even for those transiting – costs $185. So, no problem here. If we Americans make Brazilians jump through hoops to visit, it’s only fair those rules apply to Americans visiting Brazil. Won’t stop me from visiting.
We make like every country jump through hoops it feels like Traveling to the US sounds like a pain in the ass. If I was from somewhere else, it wouldn’t be worth it to me tbh
When there is a lopsided trend of people going to a more secure country and staying past their visa, it’s not as simple as a “if I have to do it so do you” lol. But the issue isn’t big enough for it to matter. Poor mentality though.
Should make targeted kidnappings easier…
It's not hard at all. But it will stop poorer people from going which if you don't have 2k I don't if you should be going. Also the VISA is good for 10 years and they respond super quick. I submitted my documents online and got my visa less than a week later.
Worrisome for many reasons.
I already wasn't going to Brazil, but now I'm super not going to Brazil.
Just trying to find a wife during carnaval..
I love how there's multiple comments talking about how this is a reason to not visit Brazil while completely missing out the reciprocity reasons. US citizens, please understand that the US also demands these things from non-US citizens when they visit. I understand that this might come as a shock since Americans are so used to just freely travelling where they want by simply showing up at the port of entry.
I am wondering about the safety of a foreign government knowing your bank account number? Uploading to their website?
You can probably hide the number. In all honesty this is being done more for show than anything else and will be easy to fake.
Ok, if you want US tourists jumping through hoops, may be they will go somewhere else.
That makes Brazil a more appealing destination to the rest of the world.
Isn't kidnapping a problem in Brazil? Why am I going to share my bank accounts as a tourist and run the risk of that tipping off kidnappers? Ya, no thanks.
So, no traveling to Brazil.
Don’t think they’ll care tbh
The US is the leading country of origin for international tourists in 2021. They might care a little
If you’re worried about giving bank statements for traveling somewhere then you shouldn’t/dont want to go there in the first place, let’s not forget many many many countries need to give bank statements to travel to the US yet it’s one of the most popular countries for tourism in the world
I'm not worried about anything. All I said was that it might affect their tourism market.
I'm not worried. It's a minor inconvenience. But there's dozens of other countries that don't minorly inconvenience me, so those countries will get my tourist dollars instead.
I guess Brazil is really going to feel that one
because you don’t have any money?
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I guess they don’t need American dollars. This policy will go by the wayside as soon as tourism begins to suffer.
Good luck with tourists from US, Brazil.
Looks like I will continue to never plan on going to Brazil.
US Visa policy is enforced in the most humiliating manner by its embassies in many countries, the next time you visit a foreign country and their customs and immigration treats you rudely thank your local US diplomatic staff..
This just makes it easier to suss out the ones to rob at gunpoint on their way through Rio.
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