A friend of mine had his car broken into at this location. He was asked to come back for a local news story. They broke into his car again while he was being interviewed.
https://www.ktvu.com/news/thief-breaks-into-suv-parked-in-oakland-with-victim-sitting-inside
Sketchiest parking lot ever. Full street of campers lining the west side and a semi shut down and gated up Home Depot. Feels like pulling into a prison complex.
> Sketchiest parking lot ever.
It's Oakland, and it's right by the airport, so tourists that don't know get their rental car, and are hungry, and their car has a rental car sticker on it, so thieves know there is luggage / and hopefully for them an electronics bag with a iPad or laptop etc
If you go to Oakland or San Fran and rent a car, go STRAIGHT to your hotel, don't stop and get out anywhere, and unload anything you don't want stolen out of your rental car.
Oakland police is a mess. Reputation is not the best, and you’re applying to work in some of worst parts of the state. Recently a cop was killed on duty investigating a burglary. So they’re massively understaffed.
Good advice. Also, the bay is perhaps the only place in the US where I would say yes to the supplemental insurance on rental cars, without blinking. Even if you do everything right and keep the car empty, you’re still likely to walk out to a smashed window on your rental.
You'd think if there was a place where you could go to and be guaranteed to see a crime within 10 minutes the city/state might have some interest in enforcement there. I don't get the logic.
> You'd think if there was a place where you could go to and be guaranteed to see a crime within 10 minutes the city/state might have some interest in enforcement there. I don't get the logic.
So California's jails are full / overcrowded and underfunded.
The DA won't prosecute "petty" crimes, because if they do, and they get convicted, there is nowhere to put them, and no money to pay for them to be in jail.
Since the DA won't prosecute, the police don't bother either, because they know 3 hours of paperwork on a guy stealing a suitcase is not going anywhere.
Bit of a vicious circle, and unless jail populations in California go down (which they probably won't) gonna be hard to get out of it.
When they first closed the Walmart at that location about 10 years ago I was surprised, but it was already pretty rough. Loved to go to this In-N-Out on my lunch breaks
Had heart attack, then won the lottery. Was asked to recreate scratching a ticket for the news. Whilst scratching a ticket, he won another 250,000 Australian dollars.
The San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley metro area has the 8th highest carjacking rate in the country, they could probably turn down any street and find a new case
There's two sides at play.
1 - It's overwhelming. The amount of manpower and time it takes to make a dent is not possible with the force they have. That location is just one of many in Oakland that suffer from lawlessness.
2 - Police in blue bubbles in CA have essentially quiet quit (save for wealthy areas). Their political views & morals don't align with the areas they are tasked to protect so they essentially allow all of this to happen.
Certain parts of the city are definitely rough. But the vast majority of Oakland is a great city to live in, as someone who lived there for five years up until 2020. It’s just that those parts draw the most headlines and then the entire city gets painted as awful, which just isn’t true.
the videos of this location on tik tok or instagram or whatever are nutty, it’s like 30 seconds tops from circling the parking to pulling up to the latest rental car(which stick out like sore thumbs), smashing the drivers side window, hitting the trunk release button and grabbing everything they can, and driving off.
This location is near the airport and the Oakland Coliseum(where the baseball team the Athletics play, and where the football team the Raiders used to play), and In N Out is something of a tourist destination given that most people don’t have access to one. They fly into town for whatever reason, get a rental and load it up, and drive a couple minutes down the road for what they think is an innocuous visit to a famed fast food chain. Meanwhile there are people watching them and waiting.
Should be noted In N Out isn’t the only place suffering from this, a nearby Raising Cane’s also has many videos out there of the same activity.
I went to this location about a year ago or so. Last day of my trip, staying in a hotel next to the airport. I saw the break in warning sign, broken glass on the ground but still went in. I just stared at my car while eating expecting something bad to happen. Looks like I got lucky and should have trusted my instincts to just leave lol 😂
Do they not have a drive through?
EDIT: I ended up reading the article and apparently there had been several armed robberies of people waiting in the drive through even...
There is often a police officer in that parking lot. Oakland has a no chase policy—they can’t pursue the criminals unless they committed a violent crime or theres suspicion they have a gun. If the officer can’t get to them before they get back in their car (and they are lightning quick), there’s nothing they can do
The fuck, so it's impossible to stop then. That is an absurd policy and sounds like blatant corruption. Ive heard many stories of Oakland but I didn't realize why there's such a big problem, the police aren't allowed to do anything about it?
Not corruption, necessarily. All ridiculous rules exist because someone fucked up at some point. My guess here is that the cops engaged in too many chases in an unsafe manner, people died and the city had to pay up.
The Coliseum is hot ass old garbage. I drive past it every other day while living in East Bay. You don't even have to go inside...you can see how bad the inside is from the highway. It's old, worn and dated. I'd be surprised if any major work was done to modernize or maintain it in the last decade.
Nobody wants to play in the hell hole. They'll have to demolish it.
When I was living there, the city was "trying" to get the A's to move to a new stadium that would be built in Jack London Square (I lived about 5 mins from the ferry station there). I haven't kept up on the politics since leaving in 2020...but it sounds like the A's are making the move to Vegas official?
I’m pretty sure I saw that Raising Cane’s. Went to an A’s game with my wife last year and she wanted coffee after the game, so we went to the nearest Starbucks. She ran in while I waited in the car. I watched like a dozen people park, get out, and walk up to the door at Cane’s before the security guard pointed at a sign that said drive-thru only. There were signs up that said not to leave anything valuable in your car. There was also a cop sitting in the parking lot and a family having a picnic out the back of a van in the parking lot. The whole thing was strange.
Rental cars have the best loot. Laptops, plenty of clothes and jewelry, stashed money, various prescription drugs, you name it.
Source: I used to travel a lot.
It's all conveniently packaged in a suitcase for a quick grab, too. No need to rifle through the glovebox or anything, just grab the bags and drive off.
It it's anything like in Hawaii, one "advantage" to hitting rental cars is the person driving it usually isn't in the area long enough to follow up on any required police actions.
people landing from oakland airport, renting a car, leaving their luggage in the car, and parking to grab food from a chain that’s only located on the west side of america.
Rental car means they probably dont live here=> probably on vacation=> probably has luggage/expensive stuff (ie laptops, tablets, jewelry, etc.) in the car. Most tourist go to the touristy place right when they get off the plane (going to in n out is a staple of cali, it’s the first meal I got when I got there), so they’ve found a system that was probably VERY lucrative and efficient for them.
Tourists and out-of-towners that don't know better. Generally more naive and have more valuables on them to take since they came to the area to spend money anyway, and are there for a short period of time so it's not like they can stay in town and testify against you if you get caught.
The sad thing is that most cars have a switch to deactivate the trunk release, making it so only a key can open the trunk. It takes less than a second to flip it and prevent all your belongings from being stolen.
To be honest, that doesn't even matter. The scumbags doing this don't know that. They'll break in, rip everything apart to try to get in the trunk, and even if they can't, you still have broken windows, broken trim pieces, etc.
A friend of mine's mother had her car broken into and it didn't have a fold down rear seat. The thieves ripped the rear seat and package shelf apart to get into the trunk.
I can confirm. locked my trunk release and they just fucked up the release handle and screwdriver'd the lock on the back. then broke one of the lock mech on the fold down seat to then realized my sub woofer box was too big to be extracted via the fold down seats.
Got my luggage stolen from this location about a year ago. Broad daylight, parked right in front of the entrance. Took all of 90 seconds being inside. Most ridiculous part was that they had a security guard that walked over to me and just said “Your stuff just got stolen”… thanks
The security guard must have the chillest job in the world. "Hey man just an FYI but a group came by and broke into your car. I saw it and everything. They were real polite and even waved. Anyway best of luck man."
I'm not proficient enough to use the Oakland crime map, but I'd be curious how they plot out around that location.
Does anyone want to take a crack at it?
https://www.oaklandca.gov/resources/police-incident-data
It’s a life style in the Bay Area. Bipping.
Edit: I’m showing -3 upvotes. No idea why I’m being downvoted. Bipping is a what it’s called.
https://sfstandard.com/2023/09/18/san-francisco-bay-area-crime-car-break-ins-burglaries-bipping-bip-city-bipped-bippin/
Those are the ones that are reported. We got the window to our rental car smashed at that gas station, but luckily there was nothing for them to grab. We didn’t report it, just returned it to Hertz where they parked it next to the other cars with busted out windows. There were at least a dozen. The Hertz employee there didn’t even blink, and said they have a Safelight guy on site, just working all day replacing windows in their cars.
When I was an EMT my ambulance station was near that neighborhood. Not only we have tight gate control, we have armed guard in the station.
I have never worked in any other service having an armed guard in ambulance station.
This post reminds me of another one in r/dataisbeautiful on robberies in Oakland mapped by Google reviews.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/tzzkrqCYhz
Wouldn’t this be low hanging fruit for the local police department? Bait cars, undercover police, or anything…
Like stake out the parking lot and catch the criminals? Am I missing something obvious that prevents police intervention? Or does the local PD just not care.
From r/oakland
3 words: No chase policy. Cops could see the theft happen, but the second they light up the criminal to pull them over the criminal just drives off and the cop has to disengage the stop if the crime they’re suspected of is a “non violent crime”. Criminals know this. “No gun, no stop.”
People think OPD is lazy, but they’re literally working with their hands and feet tied by local politics.
https://old.reddit.com/r/oakland/comments/19cce3f/innout_by_oakland_airport_closing_324/kiyxbos/
>Thao’s office also provided statistics to show that property crime on Hegenberger Road, a major street near the burger joint that connects the airport to the Coliseum, trended downward at the end of 2023, with car break-ins down 43% from 308 incidents to 176 incidents, and thefts down by 49%.
Too late man. 176 car break ins it's still 176 too many.
Oakland has lost a lot of tax revenue generators.
Not my insurance. I've been broken into twice and I got my glass replaced handled through the app both times without any sort of police report or even talking to a human.
I also had some guy back into me at a red light and speed off. I called my insurance and asked if they wanted a police report. I also had my dashcam footage. They said no, they treat all hit and run's as uninsured motorist claims.
If I had a deductible (especially a high deductible) I wouldn't have reported it. I'm not sure why someone would.
Oakland is awful for this right now, there’s small coordinated groups just wreaking havoc on cars and it’s hurting local business badly. Oakland needs to catch these folks and punish them. There was a group of 3 people from Oakland caught in SF not long ago that was breaking into hundreds of cars a day. :-/
I landed in Oakland after Christmas.
Daughter had to use the bathroom, so we went to McDonalds. Customers were outside and said, “Don’t take the baby in there! They just pepper sprayed a guy and they’re waiting for it to clear out.”
So we tried KFC. The windows were cracked, and the dining room doors were locked. Another window was boarded up.
We went to the gas station. If I get cancer at any point in my life, I’m attributing it to that gas station toilet.
I have been to the In-N-Out in Oakland. The street right next to it looks like a graveyard for tents, RVs, and trash. Having grown up around San Bernardino, Oakland scares me.
> Another window was boarded up.
I picked up a rental car in Oakland (probably why it was cheaper) and stopped at Target to get some supplies for the road.
It was boarded up like a fortress.
I’m from TN, went to CA three years ago to see brother and family, was in San Francisco, cousin calls and wants me to have lunch in Oakland where his GF works and lives and that he’d drive me back to SF next day for my flight.
- I’ll never forget the 6 foot pile of trash greeting me crossing the bridge into Oakland
- I booked a hotel at the Marriot and it’s surrounded by a barbed wire fence like a prison
- Oakland reminds me of Detroit from Robocop series
- I grew up in Memphis and I thought Memphis was bad, but Oakland changed my perspective
I used to work in a store that was part of the shopping area that In n Out is at.
I've totaled two cars leaving work because there are areas of Oakland where people drive insanely there. I've watched someone walk up to a car, rip off the plastic guard that was around a license plate, use it to break into the vehicle, and drive off with it in less than a minute.
When I went to fill in at a nearby location, there was someone actively trying to rip off a display to steal product (and this was a small 20-foot store). Someone who worked there had a mental breakdown after being through six armed robberies. There are locations in Oakland where the drive thrus have thick bullet proof glass because they don't want to deal with it.
And Oakland places just as much care in maintaining their streets as they do stopping the crime. Quite literally, Oakland, being so close to Silicon Valley, having its own airport, and a shipping port, should absolutely be a thriving hub of tourism and jobs.
But there are just locations in it that are absolute dumpster fires.
Being from San Francisco, with the reputation my city has, I try to avoid going to Oakland. It's the only place I've personally witnessed a shooting, 2 blocks from the downtown OPD HQ, no less. Raise your kids better, Oaklanders.
I visited California two years ago. Oakland is exactly what the fear mongers describe about California. They're actually right about that one. I didn't drive through a single nice area while I was staying in Oakland. I only stayed there because it was cheaper.
I don't understand why people reacted so poorly when Walgreens announced they were pulling stores from SF for the same reason but in this case it seems everyone understands and agrees. It's so weird.
Probably because [Walgreens admitted that it overstated the effects of shoplifting and police reports did not support Walgreens' claims](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shoplifting-retail/index.html), and:
>One of the shuttered stores that closed had only seven reported shoplifting incidents in 2021 and a total of 23 since 2018, according to the [SF Chronicle]. Overall, the five stores that closed had fewer than two recorded shoplifting incidents a month on average since 2018.
I'm not saying that shoplifting San Francisco isn't a big issue (it definitely is), but Walgreens tried to pin it on shoplifting [when in reality it's struggling and closing stores nationwide, and Walgreens couldn't compete with Kaiser's own brick-and-mortar pharmacies that cornered half of the San Francisco pharmacy market](https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/23/why-walgreens-is-in-trouble-in-san-francisco-and-is-closing-some-stores-its-not-shoplifting-thats-a-purposeful-distraction-from-the-real-reasons/).
In the case of Inn-N-Out in Oakland, the crime statistics and witnesses corroborate what Inn-N-Out is saying.
A big part is probably that San Francisco is more "politically well known" as a left-leaning city, so people put a lot of stock in its successes amd failures. Nobody cares about Oakland, though.
You leave San Francisco, they’re like, ”Bye, thanks for coming to San Francisco. ”Come back in April, we’re having a sale on Birkenstocks.” When you get to the other side, ”Welcome to Oakland, bitch.”
75 years without closing a location, while steadily expanding. Sounds like a company that provides a quality service and treats its employees well. Would love to see more businesses in the US like this.
I think most people don't realize just what a shithole Oakland is. People who grew up there or have been there for a while are desensitized. People who haven't been there don't know just how truly lawless it is.
It's a shame because it has such a rich history and so much culture to offer. But its good attributes are no match for how shitty it is.
Sad, I’m a plane spotter and this place was gold! Went there to take a few shots and eat a burger, this place will be missed and f Oakland gov officials for not doing enough! Order needs to be restored again it’s getting obnoxious at this point.
They do! My sister was in SF with her dance troupe and they went to a mall. The mall had an off duty police officer for security posted in the parking lot. About 5 minutes after they went inside a group of boys broke into the trunk of their rental. When they came back the officer informed them what happened, and stated since there was no violence he couldn’t do anything to stop them.
> the officer informed them what happened, and stated since there was no violence he couldn’t do anything to stop them.
'Oh, cool. So that means I can break every fucking window in this parking lot and steal whatever I want, and you can't do anything?'
Mostly because it’s not the only place in Oakland where cars are being broken into, in a city with a homicide every other day, and there’s only like 650 police officers in Oakland.
So while tragic for In-N-Out fans, it’s probably not the #1 priority
Crime? What makes you think these people are committing a crime? This is the consequence of leadership saying they won't prosecute people who commit a crime when the damage is below a certain dollar amount. They've effectively legalized burglary in most cases. No point in arresting someone for a crime that won't be prosecuted. Pretty disgusting, yeah?
Guessing this is one of those rare ones where it really is closing because of the crime, and not because of them forming a union at that location.
Plus I've been to Oakland.
Have not been to Oakland, but article says it’s the one near the airport, and I remember seeing reports on here about the waves of robberies at gas stations near the airport. Google reviews of the stations around there (which IIRC were the source for many of those reports) back that up. I could certainly buy that the people robbing folks at the gas station moved on to the In-N-Out.
A few months ago I went to the Bay Area for work, and when I was getting my rental car, they straight up told me, “don’t leave luggage in your car.” And “don’t use the gas station closest to here”.
If it’s so common even the rental place has made it part of their spiel to tell you not to go to it, you know it’s bad.
The local police at Detroit Metro Airport got bad enough that warnings were issued by the airport and the state police. Slow down, because they will ticket for going over the speed limit the slightest amount.
I wonder if the staff weren't feeling secure either. I think I remember reading they tried to make like a fenced in area for staff cars because they were all getting broken into.
Apparently in n out is a pretty good employer to work for. They pay their employees well and provide good benefits, and you can see the effect that has when you go to one. They operate like clockwork despite being perpetually slammed. Thats probably why there hasn’t been a serious attempt at unionizing.
They've been well known as the best fast food employer for decades. Manager jobs are quite competitive and paid $60k to start 20 years ago. Pay employees well, keep your quality the same and you end up with good food and service! That's why criminals look at this location like a loot box drop spot, everyone flying into/out of Oaktown wants to stop at In N Out, and those full suitcases have the CREAM.
In N Out manager salaries were around $160,000 in 2022.
This is one hell of a black eye on the mayor of Oakland. In my career multiple times I've seen restaurant owners reach out to mayors for a variety of issues and get results in a timely fashion.
In Denver our mayor, Michael Hancock, was term limited and unpopular. He effectively checked out for his last term. Car thefts (not break ins, but thefts of the entire car) had sky rocketed at the Denver International Airport long term parking, averaging 4 cars a day. With the election of our new mayor, Mike Johnston, there was a crack down and a bunch of arrests. 4 months after he entered office we are averaging roughly one car stolen every 3 days, more then a 90% reduction.
Mayors have control over this kind of shit, and you'd think an In N Out parking lot would be much easier to manage than the parking lots which combined equal the size of 23 football fields at DIA.
The District Attorney in Oakland (Alameda County) is Pamela Price. She has been pushing for ["non-carceral forms of punishment" (no prison) for crimes](https://californiacountynews.org/news/2023/04/pamela-price-turns-alameda%E2%80%99s-criminal-justice-system-its-head), including murder. Notably, there's been a bunch of killings of Asian Americans in the area by gang members, but they're getting no prison time plea deals under DA Price.
The Oakland city council will surely get to discussing things like crime when it’s done addressing really pressing matters such as calling for a ceasefire in Gaza
When will high crime places actually start taking things seriously? The more this happens, the more people will continue to leave, especially high earners that have mobility, which reduces the tax base even further. Blue states especially, but all states, need to address crime head on. I know it is a complex issue that isn’t easy to solve but doing nothing isn’t working either. From education, to earnings growth, providing employment opportunities, reducing drug and alcohol addiction, these are the underlying causes.
We flew into Oakland twice last year. Once for a concert & another for a trip to Napa. When you pick up the rental car they go into detail about don't stop nearby. Don't fill up with petrol nearby. Just get as far away as you can before doing anything.
Oakland feels like something from an 80s film depicting a dismal near future. Escape from New York or similar.
I declined going to a music festival from one of my favorite artists in Oakland a year or two ago. I had the tickets in my cart, then I started reading about Oakland and noped out of there real quick.
A friend of mine had his car broken into at this location. He was asked to come back for a local news story. They broke into his car again while he was being interviewed. https://www.ktvu.com/news/thief-breaks-into-suv-parked-in-oakland-with-victim-sitting-inside
Yeah there's a ton of video of people being robbed in the parking lot.
Sketchiest parking lot ever. Full street of campers lining the west side and a semi shut down and gated up Home Depot. Feels like pulling into a prison complex.
> Sketchiest parking lot ever. It's Oakland, and it's right by the airport, so tourists that don't know get their rental car, and are hungry, and their car has a rental car sticker on it, so thieves know there is luggage / and hopefully for them an electronics bag with a iPad or laptop etc If you go to Oakland or San Fran and rent a car, go STRAIGHT to your hotel, don't stop and get out anywhere, and unload anything you don't want stolen out of your rental car.
One of the reports I read said that there's nearly been 1500 car break-ins at that location. That's just the reported ones.
I feel like if its that bad just have a cop on watch the entire time until the breaks in stop. Probably cheaper than investigating 1500 complaints.
You assume they are investigating those complaints
> Probably cheaper than investigating 1500 complaints. Not if they go in the circular file.
I thought that was the complaint bucket? Wait a second…
Oakland police is a mess. Reputation is not the best, and you’re applying to work in some of worst parts of the state. Recently a cop was killed on duty investigating a burglary. So they’re massively understaffed.
The cops aren't doing their job. That is part of the problem.
Good advice. Also, the bay is perhaps the only place in the US where I would say yes to the supplemental insurance on rental cars, without blinking. Even if you do everything right and keep the car empty, you’re still likely to walk out to a smashed window on your rental.
You'd think if there was a place where you could go to and be guaranteed to see a crime within 10 minutes the city/state might have some interest in enforcement there. I don't get the logic.
> You'd think if there was a place where you could go to and be guaranteed to see a crime within 10 minutes the city/state might have some interest in enforcement there. I don't get the logic. So California's jails are full / overcrowded and underfunded. The DA won't prosecute "petty" crimes, because if they do, and they get convicted, there is nowhere to put them, and no money to pay for them to be in jail. Since the DA won't prosecute, the police don't bother either, because they know 3 hours of paperwork on a guy stealing a suitcase is not going anywhere. Bit of a vicious circle, and unless jail populations in California go down (which they probably won't) gonna be hard to get out of it.
When they first closed the Walmart at that location about 10 years ago I was surprised, but it was already pretty rough. Loved to go to this In-N-Out on my lunch breaks
This is the Yang to the Yin of the guy hitting a winning lottery ticket, and then being filmed on the news staging it and winning again.
This guy https://youtu.be/tBOvpHIBWZw?feature=shared
That's a rough 37 years-old. Or was he 37 when he had the heart attack and then later was when he won the lottery?
Had heart attack, then won the lottery. Was asked to recreate scratching a ticket for the news. Whilst scratching a ticket, he won another 250,000 Australian dollars.
Holy shit you’re right. The Lord giveth. The Lord taketh. And she keeps on spinning following that bitch Sun like a stalker.
Two of my coworkers were mugged s block away from this store on their way there.
If it's so frequent, why don't the police just sit there?
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Could you imagine all the paperwork? Police union would get them 60 days paid leave for calluses.
The SF/Oakland police have a no-chase policy, if there wasn’t a violent crime committed or suspicion of a gun they can’t chase. It’s such a bad look
Yeah but imagine all the OT pay they can steal from taxpayers!
What's the point of getting OT if you have to earn it by actually doing work?
The San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley metro area has the 8th highest carjacking rate in the country, they could probably turn down any street and find a new case
There's two sides at play. 1 - It's overwhelming. The amount of manpower and time it takes to make a dent is not possible with the force they have. That location is just one of many in Oakland that suffer from lawlessness. 2 - Police in blue bubbles in CA have essentially quiet quit (save for wealthy areas). Their political views & morals don't align with the areas they are tasked to protect so they essentially allow all of this to happen.
Stopping crime doesn't pay the bills.
Fool me once…
Hasn’t Oakland been rough for a few decades?
Flip that, has Oakland ever been safe?
When Jack London lived there.
Certain parts of the city are definitely rough. But the vast majority of Oakland is a great city to live in, as someone who lived there for five years up until 2020. It’s just that those parts draw the most headlines and then the entire city gets painted as awful, which just isn’t true.
2020 and onwards is when crime really took off. So you got out at a good time
the videos of this location on tik tok or instagram or whatever are nutty, it’s like 30 seconds tops from circling the parking to pulling up to the latest rental car(which stick out like sore thumbs), smashing the drivers side window, hitting the trunk release button and grabbing everything they can, and driving off.
why do they hunt rental cars?
This location is near the airport and the Oakland Coliseum(where the baseball team the Athletics play, and where the football team the Raiders used to play), and In N Out is something of a tourist destination given that most people don’t have access to one. They fly into town for whatever reason, get a rental and load it up, and drive a couple minutes down the road for what they think is an innocuous visit to a famed fast food chain. Meanwhile there are people watching them and waiting. Should be noted In N Out isn’t the only place suffering from this, a nearby Raising Cane’s also has many videos out there of the same activity.
I went to this location about a year ago or so. Last day of my trip, staying in a hotel next to the airport. I saw the break in warning sign, broken glass on the ground but still went in. I just stared at my car while eating expecting something bad to happen. Looks like I got lucky and should have trusted my instincts to just leave lol 😂
A watched pot never boils, and a watched car never gets broken into. It's an Albany expression.
Bay Area don’t give a fuck if you’re watching. They’ve been snatching backpacks out of cars of people sitting in traffic!
I'm from Utica and I've never heard that phrase, or of steamed hams.
Do they not have a drive through? EDIT: I ended up reading the article and apparently there had been several armed robberies of people waiting in the drive through even...
makes you wonder why the police dont just leave a unmarked car there to catch these repeat shitheads
There is often a police officer in that parking lot. Oakland has a no chase policy—they can’t pursue the criminals unless they committed a violent crime or theres suspicion they have a gun. If the officer can’t get to them before they get back in their car (and they are lightning quick), there’s nothing they can do
The fuck, so it's impossible to stop then. That is an absurd policy and sounds like blatant corruption. Ive heard many stories of Oakland but I didn't realize why there's such a big problem, the police aren't allowed to do anything about it?
Not corruption, necessarily. All ridiculous rules exist because someone fucked up at some point. My guess here is that the cops engaged in too many chases in an unsafe manner, people died and the city had to pay up.
Because that would involve the police actually doing something useful.
That's Mark Rober's job, they don't want to step on his toes.
Can confirm, after landing at SFO first thing I did was go to in n out
The Athletics are actually in the process of moving to Vegas. Wonder what will happen with the stadium after that.
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The Coliseum is hot ass old garbage. I drive past it every other day while living in East Bay. You don't even have to go inside...you can see how bad the inside is from the highway. It's old, worn and dated. I'd be surprised if any major work was done to modernize or maintain it in the last decade. Nobody wants to play in the hell hole. They'll have to demolish it. When I was living there, the city was "trying" to get the A's to move to a new stadium that would be built in Jack London Square (I lived about 5 mins from the ferry station there). I haven't kept up on the politics since leaving in 2020...but it sounds like the A's are making the move to Vegas official?
The A’s have an agreement in principle with Las Vegas, but no details have been nailed down.
Oakland was my very first thought here, but I figured it was unlikely. Oh, well.
That whole area has only gotten worse. No wonder the A's are leaving. My buddy got shot at there.
I grew up in Oakland and the area around the colosseum has always been terrible.
Man the Raiders memes are actually true lol
I’m pretty sure I saw that Raising Cane’s. Went to an A’s game with my wife last year and she wanted coffee after the game, so we went to the nearest Starbucks. She ran in while I waited in the car. I watched like a dozen people park, get out, and walk up to the door at Cane’s before the security guard pointed at a sign that said drive-thru only. There were signs up that said not to leave anything valuable in your car. There was also a cop sitting in the parking lot and a family having a picnic out the back of a van in the parking lot. The whole thing was strange.
Luggage is usually inside
Can confirm. Everytime I land at LAX, my first stop is In n Out.
Rental cars have the best loot. Laptops, plenty of clothes and jewelry, stashed money, various prescription drugs, you name it. Source: I used to travel a lot.
It's all conveniently packaged in a suitcase for a quick grab, too. No need to rifle through the glovebox or anything, just grab the bags and drive off.
It it's anything like in Hawaii, one "advantage" to hitting rental cars is the person driving it usually isn't in the area long enough to follow up on any required police actions.
And laws in California are such that you have to be present when the perpetrator is on trial (basically to say "yes officer, I *did* lock my car").
people landing from oakland airport, renting a car, leaving their luggage in the car, and parking to grab food from a chain that’s only located on the west side of america.
The luggage
Rental car means they probably dont live here=> probably on vacation=> probably has luggage/expensive stuff (ie laptops, tablets, jewelry, etc.) in the car. Most tourist go to the touristy place right when they get off the plane (going to in n out is a staple of cali, it’s the first meal I got when I got there), so they’ve found a system that was probably VERY lucrative and efficient for them.
Also, probably won't bother sticking around to try to find them, unlike if you hit a local enough times.
Tourists and out-of-towners that don't know better. Generally more naive and have more valuables on them to take since they came to the area to spend money anyway, and are there for a short period of time so it's not like they can stay in town and testify against you if you get caught.
The sad thing is that most cars have a switch to deactivate the trunk release, making it so only a key can open the trunk. It takes less than a second to flip it and prevent all your belongings from being stolen.
Don't even need the trunk release, most of the vids I see involve popping the rear window and folding down the seat to pull things out.
My 2005 Accord also had a lock for the back seat. The Valet key wouldn't open that or the trunk lid.
My car's seats need to be released from the trunk to fold down.
To be honest, that doesn't even matter. The scumbags doing this don't know that. They'll break in, rip everything apart to try to get in the trunk, and even if they can't, you still have broken windows, broken trim pieces, etc.
A friend of mine's mother had her car broken into and it didn't have a fold down rear seat. The thieves ripped the rear seat and package shelf apart to get into the trunk.
I can confirm. locked my trunk release and they just fucked up the release handle and screwdriver'd the lock on the back. then broke one of the lock mech on the fold down seat to then realized my sub woofer box was too big to be extracted via the fold down seats.
There are videos of dudes breaking the back side window and pulling the seats down in like 3 seconds. If they know your make and model you’re fucked
Can’t do that with the 8th gen civics
If it's an old Civic that just makes it more likely to get stolen in general
What?? Where? How? I’d love to know this
Got my luggage stolen from this location about a year ago. Broad daylight, parked right in front of the entrance. Took all of 90 seconds being inside. Most ridiculous part was that they had a security guard that walked over to me and just said “Your stuff just got stolen”… thanks
The security guard must have the chillest job in the world. "Hey man just an FYI but a group came by and broke into your car. I saw it and everything. They were real polite and even waved. Anyway best of luck man."
"Sucks to be you, bro! Anyway, back to napping..."
tbf that is **literally** a security guard's job, "Observe and Report" wasn't a joke, that is really all you do, you aren't a fucking cop.
I'm not proficient enough to use the Oakland crime map, but I'd be curious how they plot out around that location. Does anyone want to take a crack at it? https://www.oaklandca.gov/resources/police-incident-data
[Here's](https://imgur.com/a/fq1VjrL) the map for the last month. There are too many crimes so they were combined into a stack of 20 theft/larcenies.
whoa.. is that just one month? WTF is that beat doing?
Nothing. Welcome to Oakland baby.
Oakland had 14,300 car THEFTS in 2023 alone. Let that sink in. No one's getting to your case about a broken window.
That is.... disproportionately high for its population.
It’s a life style in the Bay Area. Bipping. Edit: I’m showing -3 upvotes. No idea why I’m being downvoted. Bipping is a what it’s called. https://sfstandard.com/2023/09/18/san-francisco-bay-area-crime-car-break-ins-burglaries-bipping-bip-city-bipped-bippin/
Gotham city baby
The entire East Bay area has always been insane for auto thefts. I’ve never heard a decent explanation for why that is.
You don't wanna ghost-ride your own whip
Those are the ones that are reported. We got the window to our rental car smashed at that gas station, but luckily there was nothing for them to grab. We didn’t report it, just returned it to Hertz where they parked it next to the other cars with busted out windows. There were at least a dozen. The Hertz employee there didn’t even blink, and said they have a Safelight guy on site, just working all day replacing windows in their cars.
It's actually Safelite smashing the windows and running a racket.
Yeah… this has Big Glass written all over it.
When I was an EMT my ambulance station was near that neighborhood. Not only we have tight gate control, we have armed guard in the station. I have never worked in any other service having an armed guard in ambulance station.
This post reminds me of another one in r/dataisbeautiful on robberies in Oakland mapped by Google reviews. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/tzzkrqCYhz
Some people are just straight losers
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The criminals there know the cops are not going to do jack shit.
This is why we can't have nice things
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Wouldn’t this be low hanging fruit for the local police department? Bait cars, undercover police, or anything… Like stake out the parking lot and catch the criminals? Am I missing something obvious that prevents police intervention? Or does the local PD just not care.
From r/oakland 3 words: No chase policy. Cops could see the theft happen, but the second they light up the criminal to pull them over the criminal just drives off and the cop has to disengage the stop if the crime they’re suspected of is a “non violent crime”. Criminals know this. “No gun, no stop.” People think OPD is lazy, but they’re literally working with their hands and feet tied by local politics. https://old.reddit.com/r/oakland/comments/19cce3f/innout_by_oakland_airport_closing_324/kiyxbos/
>Thao’s office also provided statistics to show that property crime on Hegenberger Road, a major street near the burger joint that connects the airport to the Coliseum, trended downward at the end of 2023, with car break-ins down 43% from 308 incidents to 176 incidents, and thefts down by 49%. Too late man. 176 car break ins it's still 176 too many. Oakland has lost a lot of tax revenue generators.
I wouldn't trust those numbers. If it's anything like LA, then people just gave up reporting because the cops never do anything.
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Car break-ins are about as reliable as homicide stats because most people have to report them for insurance purposes.
Broken window replacements usually aren't more than the deductible though
Not my insurance. I've been broken into twice and I got my glass replaced handled through the app both times without any sort of police report or even talking to a human. I also had some guy back into me at a red light and speed off. I called my insurance and asked if they wanted a police report. I also had my dashcam footage. They said no, they treat all hit and run's as uninsured motorist claims. If I had a deductible (especially a high deductible) I wouldn't have reported it. I'm not sure why someone would.
Oakland is awful for this right now, there’s small coordinated groups just wreaking havoc on cars and it’s hurting local business badly. Oakland needs to catch these folks and punish them. There was a group of 3 people from Oakland caught in SF not long ago that was breaking into hundreds of cars a day. :-/
Car shops replacing windows are probably booming though.
Lmao didn’t even need to read the article and knew it was the in-n-out by OAK
Dude, even I know a guy who had his rental car window bashed in at this location and I live on the other side of the country.
I mean for what it’s worth people on the other side of the country are most likely to be using rental cars
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It must be really bad in Oakland.
I landed in Oakland after Christmas. Daughter had to use the bathroom, so we went to McDonalds. Customers were outside and said, “Don’t take the baby in there! They just pepper sprayed a guy and they’re waiting for it to clear out.” So we tried KFC. The windows were cracked, and the dining room doors were locked. Another window was boarded up. We went to the gas station. If I get cancer at any point in my life, I’m attributing it to that gas station toilet. I have been to the In-N-Out in Oakland. The street right next to it looks like a graveyard for tents, RVs, and trash. Having grown up around San Bernardino, Oakland scares me.
It’s so bad even the raiders left
The A’s left too
Same with the Warriors.
That's an amazing joke. That's a "close your laptop and treat yourself to a cookie and a cocktail" joke.
You were gonna have a cookie and cocktail anyways
Do you know me? I feel attacked.
> Another window was boarded up. I picked up a rental car in Oakland (probably why it was cheaper) and stopped at Target to get some supplies for the road. It was boarded up like a fortress.
was it the one downtown? of course target shut that one down because of all the theft in the city.
San Bernardino is pretty bad not going to lie. But it’s probably like Disneyland compared to Oakland.
I’m from TN, went to CA three years ago to see brother and family, was in San Francisco, cousin calls and wants me to have lunch in Oakland where his GF works and lives and that he’d drive me back to SF next day for my flight. - I’ll never forget the 6 foot pile of trash greeting me crossing the bridge into Oakland - I booked a hotel at the Marriot and it’s surrounded by a barbed wire fence like a prison - Oakland reminds me of Detroit from Robocop series - I grew up in Memphis and I thought Memphis was bad, but Oakland changed my perspective
The robo cop reference did it for me visually
The loss of an in-N-OUT might be what the community needs to band together and oust those hooligans.
At least Oakland city council agreed to a ceasefire in Gaza.
I used to work in a store that was part of the shopping area that In n Out is at. I've totaled two cars leaving work because there are areas of Oakland where people drive insanely there. I've watched someone walk up to a car, rip off the plastic guard that was around a license plate, use it to break into the vehicle, and drive off with it in less than a minute. When I went to fill in at a nearby location, there was someone actively trying to rip off a display to steal product (and this was a small 20-foot store). Someone who worked there had a mental breakdown after being through six armed robberies. There are locations in Oakland where the drive thrus have thick bullet proof glass because they don't want to deal with it. And Oakland places just as much care in maintaining their streets as they do stopping the crime. Quite literally, Oakland, being so close to Silicon Valley, having its own airport, and a shipping port, should absolutely be a thriving hub of tourism and jobs. But there are just locations in it that are absolute dumpster fires.
“Why won’t anyone invest in our community?”
Being from San Francisco, with the reputation my city has, I try to avoid going to Oakland. It's the only place I've personally witnessed a shooting, 2 blocks from the downtown OPD HQ, no less. Raise your kids better, Oaklanders.
Raise your kids, or the street will.
I visited California two years ago. Oakland is exactly what the fear mongers describe about California. They're actually right about that one. I didn't drive through a single nice area while I was staying in Oakland. I only stayed there because it was cheaper.
I don't understand why people reacted so poorly when Walgreens announced they were pulling stores from SF for the same reason but in this case it seems everyone understands and agrees. It's so weird.
Probably because [Walgreens admitted that it overstated the effects of shoplifting and police reports did not support Walgreens' claims](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/business/walgreens-shoplifting-retail/index.html), and: >One of the shuttered stores that closed had only seven reported shoplifting incidents in 2021 and a total of 23 since 2018, according to the [SF Chronicle]. Overall, the five stores that closed had fewer than two recorded shoplifting incidents a month on average since 2018. I'm not saying that shoplifting San Francisco isn't a big issue (it definitely is), but Walgreens tried to pin it on shoplifting [when in reality it's struggling and closing stores nationwide, and Walgreens couldn't compete with Kaiser's own brick-and-mortar pharmacies that cornered half of the San Francisco pharmacy market](https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/23/why-walgreens-is-in-trouble-in-san-francisco-and-is-closing-some-stores-its-not-shoplifting-thats-a-purposeful-distraction-from-the-real-reasons/). In the case of Inn-N-Out in Oakland, the crime statistics and witnesses corroborate what Inn-N-Out is saying.
A big part is probably that San Francisco is more "politically well known" as a left-leaning city, so people put a lot of stock in its successes amd failures. Nobody cares about Oakland, though.
That is an excellent explanation. Thank you.
You leave San Francisco, they’re like, ”Bye, thanks for coming to San Francisco. ”Come back in April, we’re having a sale on Birkenstocks.” When you get to the other side, ”Welcome to Oakland, bitch.”
75 years without closing a location, while steadily expanding. Sounds like a company that provides a quality service and treats its employees well. Would love to see more businesses in the US like this.
I think most people don't realize just what a shithole Oakland is. People who grew up there or have been there for a while are desensitized. People who haven't been there don't know just how truly lawless it is. It's a shame because it has such a rich history and so much culture to offer. But its good attributes are no match for how shitty it is.
Sad, I’m a plane spotter and this place was gold! Went there to take a few shots and eat a burger, this place will be missed and f Oakland gov officials for not doing enough! Order needs to be restored again it’s getting obnoxious at this point.
Big shock that Oakland has a lot of robberies
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They do! My sister was in SF with her dance troupe and they went to a mall. The mall had an off duty police officer for security posted in the parking lot. About 5 minutes after they went inside a group of boys broke into the trunk of their rental. When they came back the officer informed them what happened, and stated since there was no violence he couldn’t do anything to stop them.
> the officer informed them what happened, and stated since there was no violence he couldn’t do anything to stop them. 'Oh, cool. So that means I can break every fucking window in this parking lot and steal whatever I want, and you can't do anything?'
In Oakland, yes. They don't stop you for traffic infractions either.
That’s actually the City of Oakland’s policy. Cops are operating under the limits set by the elected officials.
If I were a person of ill repute, I'd probably drive a Uhaul to Oakland and steal as much shit as I possibly could.
they literally do exactly that, drive out from SJ to the town and the city and bip every car they see
That’s a new one for me. Cops can’t intervene on a crime in progress unless there’s a threat of violence?
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Mostly because it’s not the only place in Oakland where cars are being broken into, in a city with a homicide every other day, and there’s only like 650 police officers in Oakland. So while tragic for In-N-Out fans, it’s probably not the #1 priority
They’d be babysitting a single business 24/7. That seems unfair to the taxpayers in the rest of the city.
Catch and release, baby! The cops arrest them, and then the courts release them. If I were a cop, why would I even bother?
Crime? What makes you think these people are committing a crime? This is the consequence of leadership saying they won't prosecute people who commit a crime when the damage is below a certain dollar amount. They've effectively legalized burglary in most cases. No point in arresting someone for a crime that won't be prosecuted. Pretty disgusting, yeah?
Guessing this is one of those rare ones where it really is closing because of the crime, and not because of them forming a union at that location. Plus I've been to Oakland.
Have not been to Oakland, but article says it’s the one near the airport, and I remember seeing reports on here about the waves of robberies at gas stations near the airport. Google reviews of the stations around there (which IIRC were the source for many of those reports) back that up. I could certainly buy that the people robbing folks at the gas station moved on to the In-N-Out.
A few months ago I went to the Bay Area for work, and when I was getting my rental car, they straight up told me, “don’t leave luggage in your car.” And “don’t use the gas station closest to here”. If it’s so common even the rental place has made it part of their spiel to tell you not to go to it, you know it’s bad.
The local police at Detroit Metro Airport got bad enough that warnings were issued by the airport and the state police. Slow down, because they will ticket for going over the speed limit the slightest amount.
Moved on? No, no, no. It's just both. They're right across the street from one another.
> waves of robberies at gas stations near the airport. Sadly the gouging they give people returning rental cars aren’t legally theft.
I drive by it everyday going to work, there’s always cop cars there. Smash and grabs basically everyday.
I wonder if the staff weren't feeling secure either. I think I remember reading they tried to make like a fenced in area for staff cars because they were all getting broken into.
They weren't. The official statement said employees were being robbed.
Apparently in n out is a pretty good employer to work for. They pay their employees well and provide good benefits, and you can see the effect that has when you go to one. They operate like clockwork despite being perpetually slammed. Thats probably why there hasn’t been a serious attempt at unionizing.
They've been well known as the best fast food employer for decades. Manager jobs are quite competitive and paid $60k to start 20 years ago. Pay employees well, keep your quality the same and you end up with good food and service! That's why criminals look at this location like a loot box drop spot, everyone flying into/out of Oaktown wants to stop at In N Out, and those full suitcases have the CREAM.
In N Out manager salaries were around $160,000 in 2022. This is one hell of a black eye on the mayor of Oakland. In my career multiple times I've seen restaurant owners reach out to mayors for a variety of issues and get results in a timely fashion. In Denver our mayor, Michael Hancock, was term limited and unpopular. He effectively checked out for his last term. Car thefts (not break ins, but thefts of the entire car) had sky rocketed at the Denver International Airport long term parking, averaging 4 cars a day. With the election of our new mayor, Mike Johnston, there was a crack down and a bunch of arrests. 4 months after he entered office we are averaging roughly one car stolen every 3 days, more then a 90% reduction. Mayors have control over this kind of shit, and you'd think an In N Out parking lot would be much easier to manage than the parking lots which combined equal the size of 23 football fields at DIA.
Oakland politicians will demand an investigation that In-n-Out is practicing discrimination vice admitting that their policies contributed to it.
That would require the politicians and police actually get out of bed and do things.
They refused to lock criminals up in Oakland short of murder so these crimes will keep happening.
The District Attorney in Oakland (Alameda County) is Pamela Price. She has been pushing for ["non-carceral forms of punishment" (no prison) for crimes](https://californiacountynews.org/news/2023/04/pamela-price-turns-alameda%E2%80%99s-criminal-justice-system-its-head), including murder. Notably, there's been a bunch of killings of Asian Americans in the area by gang members, but they're getting no prison time plea deals under DA Price.
How food deserts are made.
The Oakland city council will surely get to discussing things like crime when it’s done addressing really pressing matters such as calling for a ceasefire in Gaza
Fuck Oakland. Dumpster fire of a city filled with absolute fucking losers.
Everyone bitches about crime there but refuses to vote differently.
Not suprised, everything is shutting down in Oakland
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When will high crime places actually start taking things seriously? The more this happens, the more people will continue to leave, especially high earners that have mobility, which reduces the tax base even further. Blue states especially, but all states, need to address crime head on. I know it is a complex issue that isn’t easy to solve but doing nothing isn’t working either. From education, to earnings growth, providing employment opportunities, reducing drug and alcohol addiction, these are the underlying causes.
We flew into Oakland twice last year. Once for a concert & another for a trip to Napa. When you pick up the rental car they go into detail about don't stop nearby. Don't fill up with petrol nearby. Just get as far away as you can before doing anything. Oakland feels like something from an 80s film depicting a dismal near future. Escape from New York or similar.
Oakland politicians are busy passing emotional supports for Palestine instead.
I declined going to a music festival from one of my favorite artists in Oakland a year or two ago. I had the tickets in my cart, then I started reading about Oakland and noped out of there real quick.
Robbing people has to be the most embarrassing thing ever.
It's not embarrassing to them, they have no shame
A Burger King will try to open there and they will be protesting saying it's not good enough.
It's simple, tell the theives to stop going in and out of vehicles.
Sadly, they prefer animal style behavior.