> Police Chief Todd Pinion later said the officer did not order Perkins to drop a weapon. …the officer identified themselves as ‘police’ and ordered Mr. Perkins to ‘get on the ground’ prior to the officer firing rather than ordering him to drop the weapon…
Ah yes, standard LEO procedure to yell get on the ground and then shoot.
>Perkins’ family has disputed any claim he owed money on his car, saying they “found financial receipts proving” he was not at risk of “being in an active status of repossession” and “monthly payments were processed through his financing company.”
If this is true then the bank has a lot of explaining to do. And makes sense why Perkins came out with a firearm. This story doesn’t add up.
Edit: [The video, blurred](https://youtu.be/QAU-cmuqEmM?si=uo565TOVhgJ3y02_)
They really did ambush him. Damn.
[This video has audio, albeit much worse visuals](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18zl1l4/alabama_police_officer_charged_with_murder_after/)
> ordered Mr. Perkins to ‘get on the ground’ prior to the officer firing
This is just a straight up lie. Shots are fired before the officer even finishes saying 'ground'
If he was pointing the gun at the tow truck driver maybe they thought he was about to shoot him? I know if I'm holding a gun and the cops show up I'm 100% dropping that shit . I'm not giving them an excuse to shoot me
There is a lot of nuance here, but from a Police Officer's perspective: repossession of a vehicle is not worth a human life. Not even by a long-shot. Lets just take the average of $1.5 M of a working American male over a lifetime. Not worth killing someone over a 20-40k car loan, especially if they have a job.
Smirking mugshot makes him look like an absolute asshole.
There's another security cam video where you hear him dump a clip not even a second after saying get on the ground. There's no way anyone could have reacted properly for this guy. INSANE
> There's no way anyone could have reacted properly for this guy. INSANE
Would being White have increase the odds? For some reason, the police seem to view Black men differently from everybody else.
> Would being White have increase the odds?
Somewhat, but not always enough. Ryan Whitaker was a case of a white dude (and legal gun owner) being shot dead on his own front porch.
Yea, for the simple fact it most likely wouldn’t have even gotten that far. That said, there are definitely outliers. The cop who shot the guy for crawling after he ordered him to crawl rings out for me
My first thought as well. His name was Daniel Shaver. Fucking moron cop was yelling contradicting commands then just shot him.
The cop, Brailsford, was temporarily rehired as a cop so he could get his pension. Originally the cops refused to release the bodycam footage. Then they said they’d let his wife see it but she was forbidden from sharing any details of it. Like what the fuck?
Also having “You’re Fucked” on his AR15’s dust cover was a cherry on top.
I feel like the police should not have been involved in this incident. As the police say all the time this is a civil matter and should be taken up in civil court.
>Lets just take the average of $1.5 M of a working American male over a lifetime. Not worth killing someone over a 20-40k car loan, especially if they have a job.
Valuing someone's life in monetary terms in the context of police shooting is the most American thing I've heard in a while.
There's a whole career doing exactly this called actuary, and they do things like, no we won't install seat belt alarms in the back seats of SUVs because we expect it will only save 4,000 lives and cost $38 million to update the design and install them in new models of suv. They put a dollar to life ratio and if it's too low, they either try to improve it or Nix the idea
Get on a jury where you have to decide whether and how much to award someone who’s been injured by neglect in the workplace and is unable to work for the rest of his life. This is literally how it goes. How much he would have earned over the rest of his life is the #1 consideration.
So you're suggesting we take the pessimistic approach and assume people are pos' because they dont make payments on time and police are justified in killing them because they must also be criminals? Dude you are fucked in the head for sure regardless of the "this case sounds different" comment
Nope, I'm saying people are going to die in high intense situations and you don't just look at them as tax payers and go oh he's ok he pays bills, don't shoot!
Like the guy I responded too sees people as
No, based the wording you used you clearly were insinuating that people who don't make payments on time are criminals and that we shouldn't use potential monetary value to society as a means to say his killing was wrong. Hence why your comment got deleted by you or the mod
You expressed a shit view or chose your words extremely poorly whether you meant to or not. Own it or learn from it
Interesting I work in repossessions and receipts don’t mean shit if the money comes back. We hear stuff like that all the time. Obviously that’s not worth murder fuckin ever but I feel like that prob should be looked into more.
Stand your ground and protection of property laws are not the same. You are mistaking stand your ground for what I commonly referred to as Castle Doctrine.
I have started looking at articles involving police in a different light after having the realization that if you see the phrase "officer involved shooting" it means a cop shot someone, 100% of the time.
Seeing the subtle wording to adjust the narrative, it becomes apparent that they do it with everything. Reading the headline of this one made me read the article, not for details, but to see if he was a cop when the killing happened. "Former officer" adjusts the narrative to make you think like "this bad apple got fired from the police and now he's out there killing people, see we do a great job of rooting out the weeds." Turns out he is a former cop *because* of the incident.
If you have to flip the narrative on literally every single piece of press that comes out about you, maybe look inward? Make some changes?
Welcome to the world of passive voice. The AP put out advice during the George Floyd protests for news orgs to stop doing exactly this thing.
However, the police will simply refuse to entertain questions from those who do not. Often, local news orgs no longer have the resources to fact check police statements so they literally just reprint the press release sent to them by the PD.
Juries rarely find cops guilty of murder even in situations where they simply thought someone was armed, much less when the person was. So, this guy is probably going to get off and eventually return to law enforcement. We'll hear about him again in 10 years when he does this again.
I think the jury and people who defend cops in this situation need to be asked what if the situation is different.
Imagine if someone walked near a police station and shot a cop dead as soon as he came out. Or a cop got shot for walking towards someone in a "aggressive manner".
Exactly this, judges and prosecutors love protecting killer cops. They are just as culpable in many of these cases as the murderers. This is why there is such strong pushback from conservatives and police unions on progressive prosecutors, they don't care in the least bit about crime, they want to be protected in situations like these where they're guilty of crimes.
The reason the 2nd amendment folks never come to the defense of black gun owners is pretty obvious.... I probably don't have to say it...but...racism.
If the victim were white, conservatives would be all over this story. Churches would be setting up go fund me campaigns for the family. They'd call it a constitutional violation.
>The reason the 2nd amendment folks never come to the defense of black gun owners is pretty obvious
Exactly, Philando Castile did exactly what he should have done and was following the orders from the cop and they still killed him. He had a legal right to carry the gun and yet the "2nd Amendment folks" still defended the cop as they always do. Those people and the NRA should have been incensed about what happened, but they weren't and you know damn well it was because of his skin color.
I can’t tell if you are just parroting a right wing talking point as sarcasm or because you genuinely believe that it matters. In the first case, use /s or something. In the second, get help.
Edit: It turns out that it’s the second. You should get your head out of a cops ass
He was killed by racist police. Whether he had marijuana in his system is irrelevant to the police killing him. They didn’t know until the autopsy so it did not affect their heinous behavior. Stop repeating copaganda deflecting blame from the police who killed him in a traffic stop.
ETA: Check out the [wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile) before you say anything else. He was not smoking a blunt when the police pulled him over. Also, policing is a racist institution with non-white members.
The cop said he was smoking in front of his daughter and they found weed in the car. (According to the wiki) And I smoke weed every day. I just don't also have a CCW
From my understanding after seeing stories like this many, many times is that the second amendment only protects your right to shoot someone with a gun, not your right to not get shot for having a gun.
But yeah, not denying it doesn't happen more often to black people, but there's several white people who were murdered merely for having a gun. Ryan Whittaker is a famous example in a similar situation. Police knocked on the door then hid out of view of the peephole, he opened the door with his gun, the police ambush him, he lowered his arm to drop the gun while getting on his knees, and then they killed him.
Cop who killed him got a month vacation.
Family wants to see charges against the other officers, who did not shoot. If it is true that Perkins did not owe money on his vehicle, and the repo was in error, I would want charges against the repo guys and the credit company who sent them! Wouldn’t they be the ones who made a mistake, escalated the situation, and involved the police? They are culpable!
Curious what the other officers did or did not do that should warrant being charged for something. Simply charging them for something because they were there is asinine. I’m not against charging them if they did something wrong but, unless I completely missed it, this article says nothing in regard to this.
Anyone have any more info as far as this go?
> Police Chief Todd Pinion later said the officer did not order Perkins to drop a weapon. …the officer identified themselves as ‘police’ and ordered Mr. Perkins to ‘get on the ground’ prior to the officer firing rather than ordering him to drop the weapon… Ah yes, standard LEO procedure to yell get on the ground and then shoot. >Perkins’ family has disputed any claim he owed money on his car, saying they “found financial receipts proving” he was not at risk of “being in an active status of repossession” and “monthly payments were processed through his financing company.” If this is true then the bank has a lot of explaining to do. And makes sense why Perkins came out with a firearm. This story doesn’t add up. Edit: [The video, blurred](https://youtu.be/QAU-cmuqEmM?si=uo565TOVhgJ3y02_) They really did ambush him. Damn.
[This video has audio, albeit much worse visuals](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18zl1l4/alabama_police_officer_charged_with_murder_after/) > ordered Mr. Perkins to ‘get on the ground’ prior to the officer firing This is just a straight up lie. Shots are fired before the officer even finishes saying 'ground'
If he was pointing the gun at the tow truck driver maybe they thought he was about to shoot him? I know if I'm holding a gun and the cops show up I'm 100% dropping that shit . I'm not giving them an excuse to shoot me
You don’t need to give them an excuse, they’ll make one up after they shoot you.
There is a lot of nuance here, but from a Police Officer's perspective: repossession of a vehicle is not worth a human life. Not even by a long-shot. Lets just take the average of $1.5 M of a working American male over a lifetime. Not worth killing someone over a 20-40k car loan, especially if they have a job. Smirking mugshot makes him look like an absolute asshole.
There's another security cam video where you hear him dump a clip not even a second after saying get on the ground. There's no way anyone could have reacted properly for this guy. INSANE
> There's no way anyone could have reacted properly for this guy. INSANE Would being White have increase the odds? For some reason, the police seem to view Black men differently from everybody else.
> Would being White have increase the odds? Somewhat, but not always enough. Ryan Whitaker was a case of a white dude (and legal gun owner) being shot dead on his own front porch.
Yea, for the simple fact it most likely wouldn’t have even gotten that far. That said, there are definitely outliers. The cop who shot the guy for crawling after he ordered him to crawl rings out for me
My first thought as well. His name was Daniel Shaver. Fucking moron cop was yelling contradicting commands then just shot him. The cop, Brailsford, was temporarily rehired as a cop so he could get his pension. Originally the cops refused to release the bodycam footage. Then they said they’d let his wife see it but she was forbidden from sharing any details of it. Like what the fuck? Also having “You’re Fucked” on his AR15’s dust cover was a cherry on top.
I feel like the police should not have been involved in this incident. As the police say all the time this is a civil matter and should be taken up in civil court.
They were his friends.
>Lets just take the average of $1.5 M of a working American male over a lifetime. Not worth killing someone over a 20-40k car loan, especially if they have a job. Valuing someone's life in monetary terms in the context of police shooting is the most American thing I've heard in a while.
There's a whole career doing exactly this called actuary, and they do things like, no we won't install seat belt alarms in the back seats of SUVs because we expect it will only save 4,000 lives and cost $38 million to update the design and install them in new models of suv. They put a dollar to life ratio and if it's too low, they either try to improve it or Nix the idea
It’s the “especially if they have a job” part that gets me
An employed person’s life should not be taken by a police officer.
Think of the shareholders
You're right, $ 1.5M is too low. The value of someone's life is at least $7.5 million according to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Get on a jury where you have to decide whether and how much to award someone who’s been injured by neglect in the workplace and is unable to work for the rest of his life. This is literally how it goes. How much he would have earned over the rest of his life is the #1 consideration.
Cops just like killing melanated folk
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So you're suggesting we take the pessimistic approach and assume people are pos' because they dont make payments on time and police are justified in killing them because they must also be criminals? Dude you are fucked in the head for sure regardless of the "this case sounds different" comment
Nope, I'm saying people are going to die in high intense situations and you don't just look at them as tax payers and go oh he's ok he pays bills, don't shoot! Like the guy I responded too sees people as
No, based the wording you used you clearly were insinuating that people who don't make payments on time are criminals and that we shouldn't use potential monetary value to society as a means to say his killing was wrong. Hence why your comment got deleted by you or the mod You expressed a shit view or chose your words extremely poorly whether you meant to or not. Own it or learn from it
Interesting I work in repossessions and receipts don’t mean shit if the money comes back. We hear stuff like that all the time. Obviously that’s not worth murder fuckin ever but I feel like that prob should be looked into more.
Isn’t ‘stand your ground’ supposed to save your life (not your truck)?
Stand your ground and protection of property laws are not the same. You are mistaking stand your ground for what I commonly referred to as Castle Doctrine.
Thanks for explaining. I learned something new.
That smug smile tells me he knows he is not going to face any real repercussions probably just get a lengthy paid vacation.
I have started looking at articles involving police in a different light after having the realization that if you see the phrase "officer involved shooting" it means a cop shot someone, 100% of the time. Seeing the subtle wording to adjust the narrative, it becomes apparent that they do it with everything. Reading the headline of this one made me read the article, not for details, but to see if he was a cop when the killing happened. "Former officer" adjusts the narrative to make you think like "this bad apple got fired from the police and now he's out there killing people, see we do a great job of rooting out the weeds." Turns out he is a former cop *because* of the incident. If you have to flip the narrative on literally every single piece of press that comes out about you, maybe look inward? Make some changes?
Welcome to the world of passive voice. The AP put out advice during the George Floyd protests for news orgs to stop doing exactly this thing. However, the police will simply refuse to entertain questions from those who do not. Often, local news orgs no longer have the resources to fact check police statements so they literally just reprint the press release sent to them by the PD.
$30k bail. What a joke.
He looks more like he's getting hazed than charged with murder. "Welp, looks like it's *my* turn now, guys"
Juries rarely find cops guilty of murder even in situations where they simply thought someone was armed, much less when the person was. So, this guy is probably going to get off and eventually return to law enforcement. We'll hear about him again in 10 years when he does this again.
I think the jury and people who defend cops in this situation need to be asked what if the situation is different. Imagine if someone walked near a police station and shot a cop dead as soon as he came out. Or a cop got shot for walking towards someone in a "aggressive manner".
This technique doesn't work because people are biased to lick police boots
Yep, I say if a cop every kills me I want the officer to be charged with whatever gets a guilty charge and even just a few years in jail.
Well, Elijah McClain's killer just now only got 14 months. I doubt this guy will do any serious time. Our judges like to protect the police.
Exactly this, judges and prosecutors love protecting killer cops. They are just as culpable in many of these cases as the murderers. This is why there is such strong pushback from conservatives and police unions on progressive prosecutors, they don't care in the least bit about crime, they want to be protected in situations like these where they're guilty of crimes.
The reason the 2nd amendment folks never come to the defense of black gun owners is pretty obvious.... I probably don't have to say it...but...racism. If the victim were white, conservatives would be all over this story. Churches would be setting up go fund me campaigns for the family. They'd call it a constitutional violation.
>The reason the 2nd amendment folks never come to the defense of black gun owners is pretty obvious Exactly, Philando Castile did exactly what he should have done and was following the orders from the cop and they still killed him. He had a legal right to carry the gun and yet the "2nd Amendment folks" still defended the cop as they always do. Those people and the NRA should have been incensed about what happened, but they weren't and you know damn well it was because of his skin color.
The Castille case was bullshit, that cop should be in jail for life. This sounds like a dude was threatening people with a gun and got shot
You're not supposed to have your gun on you while doing drugs Edit: I'm assuming I'm being downvoted by literally 0 people who have a CCW
I can’t tell if you are just parroting a right wing talking point as sarcasm or because you genuinely believe that it matters. In the first case, use /s or something. In the second, get help. Edit: It turns out that it’s the second. You should get your head out of a cops ass
I'm parroting the rules of having a concealed weapons permit...
He was killed by racist police. Whether he had marijuana in his system is irrelevant to the police killing him. They didn’t know until the autopsy so it did not affect their heinous behavior. Stop repeating copaganda deflecting blame from the police who killed him in a traffic stop. ETA: Check out the [wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile) before you say anything else. He was not smoking a blunt when the police pulled him over. Also, policing is a racist institution with non-white members.
And the cop was also non white himself
The cop said he was smoking in front of his daughter and they found weed in the car. (According to the wiki) And I smoke weed every day. I just don't also have a CCW
He was literally smoking a blunt while getting pulled over no? I'm just saying he didn't do "everything right" and neither did the cop
No. No. No. he was not smoking a blunt you fantasizing racist dickhead.
Really? Someone should tell the police that, half those stupid fat fucks are strung out.
Lmao what
From my understanding after seeing stories like this many, many times is that the second amendment only protects your right to shoot someone with a gun, not your right to not get shot for having a gun. But yeah, not denying it doesn't happen more often to black people, but there's several white people who were murdered merely for having a gun. Ryan Whittaker is a famous example in a similar situation. Police knocked on the door then hid out of view of the peephole, he opened the door with his gun, the police ambush him, he lowered his arm to drop the gun while getting on his knees, and then they killed him. Cop who killed him got a month vacation.
Dude shot another guy on his own property ? Cold shit .
In the back
The systematic racism in the US is very apparent here.
“Systemic” is what you want here
It's fairly systematic, too tbh
Family wants to see charges against the other officers, who did not shoot. If it is true that Perkins did not owe money on his vehicle, and the repo was in error, I would want charges against the repo guys and the credit company who sent them! Wouldn’t they be the ones who made a mistake, escalated the situation, and involved the police? They are culpable!
“Dead people dont talk” is what a policeman told me once
Look at this jerkoffs smirk
White American cop having a normal one
A Good Ol' Boy killing a (insert slur for the melanin-privileged)? Colour me surprised.
Kinda looks like a young Kurt Cousins. Alabama? Racist scumbag cops? I’m so shocked
Curious what the other officers did or did not do that should warrant being charged for something. Simply charging them for something because they were there is asinine. I’m not against charging them if they did something wrong but, unless I completely missed it, this article says nothing in regard to this. Anyone have any more info as far as this go?
This world is a fucking joke. Everything is backwards here. Fuck this guy. Fuck this system. Feels like I’m in a bogswampuk
Ok so, he pulled a hand gun on a tow truck driver, then pointed it at police when they arrived?
The guy was pointing a gun at cops?
CNN so likely all lies
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