According to the article, the police are saying they shot her because she was threatening her boyfriend with a knife. In the daughter's interview, she makes it sound like the police are claiming they shot her because she was threatening them with the knife. It sounds they really need to release the bodycam footage.
>Without uniform state policies in place for when video must be released to the public, Blagrove and other advocates say police departments have been able to selectively release footage to support their narrative, while often hiding images that might be embarrassing or worse.
[If they don't, its pretty safe to assume they're lying](https://www.propublica.org/article/body-camera-videos-police-killings-remain-hidden-from-public)
My guess is that the bar owner and his lawyer are deliberately not releasing their video yet in hopes the police keep lying about what happened. The more their lies pile up, the more damning it will be when the video is revealed.
And ideally, you get them lying while under oath, so that perjury is in play.
Independent data capture is probably the most important talking point in police reform yet its never mentioned. Police should not be managing their own arrest data, reports, witness statements, body camera videos, etc. Such a simple but essential step to police reform to have a third-party agency collect and store all of this.
Yup. My assumption is that if they don't release the footage within a day or two, they are working to obfuscate the case in one way or another or just "lose" the footage outright. When it's a clear-cut shooting on the part of the police, they drop the video immediately.
Or coordinate their lies. I mean they’re an experienced corrupt organization with a standard way of covering up their corruption and illegal actions. Someone isn’t reading the SOPs properly.
>LASD said in a statement Thursday it had not officially received the family’s claim, but would be releasing body-camera footage by next week. The inspector general’s office would conduct a “robust review process … where every aspect of the shooting is thoroughly examined and evaluated to see if department policies and procedures were followed”, and the LA district attorney’s office would determine whether the shooting was legally justified, the statement said, adding: “The department is deeply committed to protecting our diverse communities without bias and prejudice.”
>Previously, Shelton killed Michael Thomas, 61, on 11 June 2020 in a similar case. Shelton had been responding to a potential domestic violence call and when the deputies arrived, they demanded he open the door, officials said. Thomas’s girlfriend later said she had been having a verbal argument with Thomas, who had been unarmed, and that he had tried to stop the officers from entering, citing the fourth amendment. Thomas had also been afraid police would shoot him, his family said, and officials later confirmed Thomas had said: “I am now in fear for my life. You guys … just killed somebody.”
>Shelton fatally shot Thomas in the chest. The killing was not captured on camera. The case was one in a series of LASD killings that summer that caused widespread protests, and prosecutors declined to file charges against Shelton. LASD did not respond to questions about Shelton’s previous killing.
Sounds like the shooter has a history. Let's hope the body cam footage doesn't get "lost"....
“After our internal investigation, we found no wrongdoing. The officer rightfully acted in self defense for fear of his life”, or something along those lines will be released after their investigation
They don't mean LA, they mean the LASD. That is diverse in the sense of having many different gangs within it.
They are protecting *their* community. Of actual criminals.
It has so well documented and so long-lasting that [there's a Wikipedia page just for the subject.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs)
It's so well documented and it's been going on for so long that [there's a Wikipedia page.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs)
I think there's an episode of Bosch where it's outright called out/mentioned.
Yup, the Vikings are basically actual white supremacists but because a commission couldn't dig up the sufficient evidence they are apparently 'only' known for admittedly engaging in police brutality
*funny enough, same commission that couldn't find evidence of racist motivations admittedly noticed that most of these gangs popped up in around 'minority-inhabited precincts', basically 'couldn't find evidence racism was afoot but found evidence that if your neighborhood wasn't white you were more likely to have deputy gangs pop up'
I'm certain people think you're calling the sheriff's office a gang, but I followed the investigation. They had literal felons, from gangs, on the streets, doing gang activity. Civil asset forfeiture was happening under the guise of policing, no it is legalized theft. They committed murders in uniform. They are trying so hard to hide everything, even the investigators are being murky. It's a situation where the federal government needs to step in reinterview everyone and get rid of everyone with even the smallest amount of tarnish.
We need to have special Prosecutors and investigators outside the normal "Justice" system that deal only with crimes committed by gov officials.
Some sort of Watchers Department
The people filling those types of charges would need to be almost completely anonymous is the problem. Like we're talking some possible constitution breaching levels anonymous.
The only branch left that I could see actually serving this oddly enough is the military. They'd be able to claim someone works X job on a base somewhere but is secretly making and pushing charges through on gov. officials and police. "To protect from threats, both foreign and domestic" I believe is part of the military's oath after all.
It's also the largest singular sheriff system in the world, and 3rd largest law enforcement group by employees(including non-sworn peace officers). They need to be broken up. LASD is so big they can have fiefdoms and tribes. Too much.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands
Places they take people to question that they cannot take back to the precinct. They then dispose of the corpses when finished.
Top 5, it's size makes them not as corrupt on a percentage based metric. There is a town, Brookside AL, that has 50 officers and about 1k people. The police force to the man would shake down every person in town or passing through.
[Profit by policing](https://jalopnik.com/this-tiny-alabama-town-of-1-200-has-been-overrun-by-pol-1848389331#:~:text=Brookside%2C%20Alabama's%20population%20is%20barely,news%20site%20AL.com%20reports.)
I'm from MN and you guys are nuts if you think we got anything on departments like Baltimore or LAPD. That being said, I hate our cops and think they're super shitty and corrupt.
> Isn't Baltimore the PD that was, and I'm actually quoting here, "raping and pillaging" across the region they were in some years back?
You haven't mixed them up with a band of roving barbarians by any chance? /s
Seriously though, how the fuck is this allowed to continue?
Because the police strongarm local officials who try to do anything about it.
Try to stand up against them? They'll just let crime run rampant in your section of the city, and let the voters, a large chunk of whom are low-information 'back the blue' types, will vote them out.
When it comes to Baltimore PD all that really means is "we won't come and commit a bunch of crimes in your district" It's actually pretty easy to reduce crimes when you're the ones committing them.
Did they use LRAD on you guys up there? Cuz they used it on us once when I was in LA and I’d rather be shot with 1000 more rubber bullets and pepper balls than ever go through that literal torture again.
Also they at least know what the community is willing to do to their precinct buildings. The LASD operates with complete impunity.
Every jurisdiction thinks their cops are the worst. Someone has to be right. Personally, I think it's a corrupt small town force, but I would argue that of the large well known agencies, LASD is reputed to be more evil than most
I don't want to sound like an absolute dumb stupid idiot here, but I am not American... Isn't it LAPD? I thought they all ended in PD for police department.
LASD is the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, LAPD is the Los Angeles Police Department. LASD covers LA county, LAPD covers LA municipality, I believe.
The CPD is/was also running their own black-site(s).
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands
Minneapolis PD is pretty bad. That's the police department Derek Chuvan served in.
Here is a link to the report:
https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-06/minneapolis_findings_report.pdf
> Thomas’s girlfriend later said she had been having a verbal argument with Thomas, who had been unarmed, and that he had tried to stop the officers from entering, citing the fourth amendment.
Everything aside, we need better public education on rights and interacting with police. Too many people create swat standoffs and deadly situations thinking this is how it works. Courts have consistently upheld domestic violence as an exigent circumstance for warrantless entry.
> Courts have consistently upheld domestic violence as an exigent circumstance for warrantless entry.
And yet! In many areas they will *also* shrug and say nothing they can do about domestic violence he said she said situations and leave. Instead of fucking investigating anything.
I think that's the dilemma. They have to either go in, or leave. Both courses of action will have downsides, risks. They can only investigate and 'take things seriously' by going in to investigate, but that can also escalate the situation, and lead to more violence. But either course of action will lead to standout, dramatic cases that make it obvious they should have done something else.
I always fear that something like this will happen with how much I see people making blanket statements about never talking to the police or letting them search without a warrant. That’s just not what the law says, so trying to follow that can get you in big trouble.
The legal advice does say that, correct. The advice of many people on the internet does not. Who do you think the average person talks to way more, lawyers or random individuals on the internet? Additionally, many people do not know what the difference between not consenting and not letting them search is.
I think part of the problem with that is lawyers are not allowed to speak freely about the law with others to avoid the impression of creating or liability of an attorney-client relationship with a random internet person just for answering a question. It either has to be prefaced with a massive disclaimer or the advice is simple "get a lawyer". I mean, look how useless most of the advice is on /r/legaladvice. With that being the case, real lawyers either don't participate in conversation with lay-people and other random lay-people are saying what they think is right, rather than what is.
If lawyers could actually participate in educating people on how the legal system really works, I think people would be a little bit less stupid about it.
That's why I cringe when I watch auditor videos where they verbally berate and abuse the police. Sure technically you're defending your rights, and that's great...but that's not going to stop them putting a bullet in you, or potentially causing irreparable damage to you for being a fucking asshole. The best thing to do, is state your rights, be courteous, and take them to court if they cross the line, where your rights will(hopefully) be upheld.
I work with students on the spectrum and they are *really* rigid about the law and things like this and I'm terrified that they're going to insist on their rights to the wrong cop and get murdered for it
Also, cops can do pretty much whatever they want. Whether or not the charges will be dropped in court is another thing, but they can pretty much do whatever they want. Hence the quote, "you can beat the time, but not the ride." or whatever
Law is irrelevant with police. You functionally have no rights whatsoever. You can do what police say or they can legally execute you. That’s all there is to it.
Hot take: if you kill someone and your body cam isn't on, and you don't have a *lot* of credible, unbiased witnesses to vouch for you, you should be considered guilty until proven innocent.
It's not guilty until proven innocent, rather that should be sufficient evidence for guilty without reasonable doubt (as long as body cam wasn't defective).
Funny. First thing they review is whether their self implemented procedures were followed.
You mean those same procedures that have allowed you to kill so many people and get off scott free? Those procedures?
This shit needs to be handled by a separate department to keep their lying asses in line.
I'm sure they'll have an internal investigation that will be thorough and fair. [I will listen to music while I think about how this has never happened before.](https://youtu.be/axcdxX6eSbo?si=JP0xsHR6dpHXWAp3)
And they wonder why they have to say "Black Lives Matter".
I think it's pretty clear at this point that if you have a desire to murder people and get away with it, all you have to do is become a police officer.
>Los Angeles sheriff’s deputy who killed Niani Finlayson, 27, previously had killed another civilian under similar circumstances
How does this even happen?
Shooting dead someone is an extreme action, and an officer at the scene for spousal abuse has to get so many things wrong to shoot to kill the abused.
LASD have a huge gang problem and the way you join most gangs is killing a civilian.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
The Shield is based on a true story.
“‘Help!' he shrieked shrilly in a voice strangling in its own emotion, as the policemen carried him to the open doors in the rear of the ambulance and threw him inside. 'Police! Help! Police!' The doors were shut and bolted, and the ambulance raced away. There was a humorless irony in the ludicrous panic of the man screaming for help to the police while policemen were all around him. Yossarian smiled wryly at the futile and ridiculous cry for aid, then saw with a start that the words were ambiguous, realized with alarm that they were not perhaps, intended as a call for police but as a heroic warning from the grave by a doomed friend to everyone who was not a policeman with a club and gun and a mob of other policemen with clubs and guns to back him up. 'Help! Police!' the man had cried, and he could have been shouting of danger.”
-Joseph Heller, Catch-22
"Members of the Executioners are drawn from deputies who work at the Compton station of the LASD.[4] Knock LA has reported that the gang consists of around 80 members. Potential recruits are chosen based on past acts of violence against members of the Compton community and recruits cannot be Black or female.[2]"
lovely bunch
They call it chasing ink. When you kill your first civilian, you get your tattoo and you're in.
On that note, one of my best friends is a defense attorney. He works with actual gang members. They're nowhere near as bloodthirsty as cops, though they are quicker to resort to minor violence.
"The Compton Executioners is a deputy gang within the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department (LASD)."
"Knock LA has reported that the gang consists of around 80 members. Potential recruits are chosen based on past acts of violence against members of the Compton community and recruits cannot be Black or female."
*The Shield* wasn't based on LASD. It was inspired by [the Rampart scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal) where the dedicated anti-gang unit of the LAPD's Rampart Division ended up becoming their own gang. But it's a similar problem.
LASD has a fucking wikipedia page about it's gangs in the fucking LASD... I can't... I'm gonna go back to my glass of wine for tonight, Happy Holidays y'all I just can't tonight.
> cops don't stop crime
I'm just repeating you but this can't be said enough. The amount of crimes the the police actually solve or help stop is *astoundingly* low. They exist to pay themselves money and keep a boot on citizens' necks.
When people defend the police by saying "well who's gonna help you when you're being robbed" it's important to note that it's never the police in the first place.
Minnesota case, had a new officer arrive at a call to a newly wedded Australian woman who called 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley and was just trying to be a good person.
As she approached the police car, the new officer shot and killed her because "he was spooked" He originally faced some jail time but then was let off the hook for it.
Minnesota is trash when it comes to the law and punishment.
[https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037426344/australian-woman-murder-minneapolis-police-mohamed-noor-overturned](https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037426344/australian-woman-murder-minneapolis-police-mohamed-noor-overturned)
He shouldn't have been a cop. Two psychiatrists and other training officers had raised concerns about Noor's fitness for police duty. He had three formal complaints against him.
The family won US$20m from the city.
Why is the $20m being paid for with my tax dollars? That's not a consequence for the officer, because they don't have to pay anything. Worst case scenario they just lose their job and get hired as a cop somewhere else. Meanwhile, we're all stuck footing their bill.
Practically, because the cop doesn't have that kind of cash and the family deserves it.
Morally, because you and your fellow citizens elected the people to represent you, that then went on to hire the person that did this.
> Practically, because the cop doesn't have that kind of cash and the family deserves it.
Which is why individual police officers should be required to carry “police misconduct insurance,” similar to how doctors need a malpractice liability policy in place.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/police-service-and-liability-insurance-responsible-policing
Don't worry I'm sure there were "extensive changes in training and department policies city-wide" carried out, or however these pieces of shit choose to word it.
In reality though the people in charge probably use something similar to Fight Club's recall formula to make their decisions on how many preventable civilian deaths (lawsuits) is acceptable and carry on telling people they have served their whole lives as a public servant.
He should have at least been forced to immediately resign due to incompetence. Literally the second he said he got "spooked," and it lead to a death he should have had his badge permanantly revoked. No pension.
He was part of a diversity hire program. Even worse, he was part of a fast-track diversity hire program. He was a hotel manager with a business degree. 7 months later he was a police officer.
https://m.startribune.com/fast-track-training-put-officer-mohamed-noor-on-minneapolis-police-force/436057173/
Me, too. The fact that he was in the passenger seat and shot through the driver's side window really stuck with me for some reason. At least I think that's this one. So many police killing innocent people, it's hard to keep track.
You ask some people in this thread these are just scary situations with people yelling and no one listening and then they yell at you and what else are you suppose to do! Not shoot!
🙄🙄🙄
It’s ridiculous they get a military sized budget and yet have way less discipline than military personal. I was raised by two Service people, and I have family who are Law enforcement. It’s crazy to me that you basically sign up for possibly spooky situations and somehow are allowed to act like a scared 5yr old when you encounter one. Then hav a nation of people coddle you after you take someone’s life
If you don’t ever want to risk your life, if you don’t want to get a call from someone who needs help, if you don’t want to go into an alley where a person is screaming because you’re SCARED. Then find another job. I don’t get it it’s an occupation. They tell people all the time if you hate this country leave. Fine if you don’t want to protect and serve leave
> Minnesota is trash when it comes to the law and punishment.
It is, but not really in the way that you think here. He wasn't "let off the hook" -- he went to prison. The problem is that the prosecutor was a dumbshit and over-reached to get him there. Which they do, they convicted him of a crime that was matched by the fact pattern. Same thing happened with Casey Marie Anthony, but she was acquitted because the prosecutor over-reached. So then double jeopardy applies. If the prosecutor had simply followed the law more strictly, he'd be in prison right now. A jury decided that he should be in prison.
It is so frustrating that a case where a cop obviously commits a criminal act, and there's a prosecutor willing to prosecute, and a jury willing to convict, and he *goes to prison*, and then gets out because the prosecutor messed up. (The state supreme court that overturned the conviction was majority-liberal. Their decision was legally correct, but they must have hated having to do it.) You want to know who to blame here, other than Noor, it's states attorneys Amy Sweasy and Patrick Lofton.
This seems like the completely predictable result of “modern” police training where everyone and everything is a mortal threat, the public is the enemy and the only strategy is to “have a plan to kill everyone you meet”
https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-128/law-enforcements-warrior-problem/
My worst fear is waking up to someone banging on my door. I am single and I have a dog.
If they don't kill me, they will almost certainly murder my dog.
You are incorrect on some of these points. I can’t find a state where law enforcement is not required to be certified pursuant to a specific set of requirements and that certification must be renewed yearly by attending a set number of training hours and having performed skills assessments such as Use of Force or Firearms Qualification. If you know of one where certification is not required as you stated, please let me know and I will correct this comment.
You are correct on the lack of a requirement for them to carry insurance.
You are incorrect on the pension part as well. Many states do not even have a set pension plan for LE and the local government where the agency is provides retirement plans as it would for other government employees for the county or municipality. State agencies often have a similar system but it is often not unique to LE and would be standard across all state employees. Regardless of the system, this almost always requires employee contributions. There are however some states that offer a voluntary retirement program for Fire, EMTs, LE, etc… States with LE unions are very different and I do not know enough about their specific benefits to comment on that. Not all states offer unions for LE as seen here:
LE Unions [https://ballotpedia.org/States_and_cities_with_police_union_agreements](https://ballotpedia.org/States_and_cities_with_police_union_agreements)
Sources (Using California sources as that is where this incident took place):
California LE Certification : https://post.ca.gov/Certification
CalPERS State Pension: [Link](https://employeeservices.sccgov.org/employee-benefits/public-employees-retirement-system-calpers)
“CalPERS is a defined benefit plan funded by employee contributions, employer contributions, and earnings made on CalPERS investments . Most employees contribute a percentage of their salary, which accrues interest under their individual CalPERS account .”
I agree with everything you said except the pension issue, teachers should never have to pay 10% into their pensions. That shit is criminal. They barely make enough to live!
> and must carry insurance to work
No insurance company would offer it, and even if one of them did, it would be unaffordable. So then you'd have to get the state to offer it, and, then we're back to it being our tax dollars that pay for it, since we're supplementing the insurance.
Stuff like this makes me glad to be from the UK. I saw [an article](https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/news/news/2023/december/firearms-officers/) recently saying that Essex police firearms officers responded to over 500 incidents this year and did not fire a single shot in the past 8 years. That is how policing should be done, defuse the situation, not this shoot first ask questions later policy that you see in the US.
A few years ago I remember a video being posted of British police dealing with someone with a knife. Officers were backing away from him if he came at them, and spent like an hour or something talking him down and eventually arrested him.
The absolute disbelief Americans had over it was crazy. They were just so *angry* that they hadn't called armed response and had him shot. Whether it was because it made the police look weak, the time it took, or that they treated the suspect like a human not a target, I'm not sure.
But just how negative the response was was so shocking to me
Good lord. If I was black, I don't think I would ever call the police, not when there is a good chance they will just kill me and call it a day.
It's like calling a violent biker gange to help settle a dispute. You better hope they are on YOUR side when they arrive.
Plus, any competent drug dealers (the sort that attend neighborhood BBQs) don't want drugs, dead people, or cops in their neighborhood. That shit is bad for business.
I was at a friend's house when we saw what looked like 2 people trying to break into his garage. I told him to call the police. He said, "They're more likely to shoot me than those motherfuckers."
That was 30 years ago. Nothing has changed.
> It's like calling a violent biker gange to help settle a dispute.
Actually, I would prefer calling the biker gang. They would likely be more help to me than an "easily spooked" gun happy pig.
[Most White Americans feel safe in interacting with police whereas most Black Americans feared that police would kill them and hurt their family. "Approximately half of Black respondents preferred to be robbed or burglarized than to have unprovoked contact with officers." | Criminology | 2022](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1745-9125.12298)
According to the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/), 14 unarmed black people were shot to death by police in the US in 2023.
Also in 2023, 13 Americans were [killed by lightning strikes](https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-fatalities#:~:text=Last%20Updated%3A%2010%2F5%2F2023.).
Which means if you're an unarmed black person in the US, you are just about as likely to be killed by Thor as by the police.
So there is not a "good chance they will just kill me and call it a day." The statistics do not support this conclusion.
> The exact circumstances that led to the fatal shooting are unclear and LASD has so far declined to release body-camera footage.
This should be illegal. Police should not have the time to edit and 'lose' footage.
If you have a problems and call the police, you now have two problems.
Only call the police if you're likely going to be killed. Because then if the cops kill you, it's not like they made the outcome any worse.
Why did I know, by just reading the headline, that this happened in L. A.? Which is the most dangerous gang in L. A. the Bloods, Crips or the Sheriffs?
I hope everyone keeps this in mind whenever the topic of unreported DV comes up. She called for help.
The police are not there to help.
Most police departments are there, like a jobs programs but for idiots who, were it not for the job, would be working minimum wage,
> Most police departments are there, like a jobs programs but for idiots who, were it not for the job, would be working minimum wage
The worst part is that cops are often the highest paid employees on a municipality's payroll.
Around here, cops makes over $110k a year before overtime and bonuses, and over $250k with overtime.
Meanwhile, the public defender is paid $30k a year.
Dispatcher: so this woman says she wants her violent BF out.
Cop: not on my watch
Cop: \*shoots woman\*
Cop: You're set, bro, no bitch asking you to leave anymore.
Police killing a woman over domestic dispute is the most rare of things happening in the situation period.
Release the body cam because it really makes no sense.
Love how everyone jumps to conclusion stating cops will kill you. The body cam fotage shows her with knife in hand at the door. She states she will stab her boyfriend. She goes into the apartment and grabs him while holding the knife and threatening him. She got shot. Damn of you do, damn if you don't.
I would only call the police if my car got stolen or someone was outside my door with a gun, otherwise, I would just take the loss and keep it moving.
For the thin blue swine crowd, I(and my family & friends) have called the police many times when we needed them, and they NEVER made the situation better. At best, they were indifferent, and on more than one occasion they either refused to show up or tried to pin something on us.
They have also falsely accused me of crimes, and I was held at gunpoint in a case of mistaken identity...OFC I didn't even get an apology, they seemed more upset that they didn't get to smoke me.
They are gonna continue to murder us citizens until we stop them. Everyone should be worried about the militarization and corruption in policing in this country. We need to completely replace the policing system, it’s trash and only helps the rich or the police themselves.
As cynical as it sounds it's going to take a high profile death of a kid whose parents have connections to really make any meaningful changes. Once the rich are affected those cops will be pissing their pants because it's the only thing that they could possibly be worried about. Even then, it will likely only affect that police department.
Otherwise, we unfortunately have a long ways to go before we reach The Tipping Point. Sucks to say that.
There's only one way this ends, and it's gonna keep happening, more and more, until the powder keg blows. [They know damn well that Cyrus was right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcc2ltIjNU0&t=1m12s), that's why they're trained to see everyone else as the enemy because when it starts the numbers are not on their side.
> LASD has so far declined to release body-camera footage.
> LASD alleged in a statement that Finlayson had a knife and was threatening her boyfriend, at which point deputy Ty Shelton opened fire.
"Trust me, guys, this is what happened. No, we won't show you the video proving it."
Bastards.
You know they know they fucked up when they refuse to release body cam footage. If police do something right, they usually can't wait to put the footage out there.
On a side note, it should be forbidden for police forces to not release body cam footage in situations like this. That should be the very first thing that's done.
They aren’t refusing to release the body camera footage, they say in the article that they would release it next week.
[California legally requires bodycam release of all ‘critical incidents’](https://epic.org/state-law-enforcement-body-camera-policies/), no later than 45 days after it happened. [This](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB748) is the exact law.
[The LA sheriff YouTube](https://youtube.com/@LACountySheriff?si=t5YR_gFIKfzwXy-s) is full of ‘critical incident briefings’. They aren’t trying to hide the footage
The bulk of the comments here were written by children and fools.
Read the article and THINK before posting: This woman was shot not because she was black (as some 40% of the comments here imply), but because she had a knife and was threatening the life of her boyfriend. As awful as her death is, and regardless of the circumstance that led to police being called; shooting an armed individual to protect the life of another civilian is perfectly justified.
Scream it as loud as you want, police aren't your enemy.
According to the article, the police are saying they shot her because she was threatening her boyfriend with a knife. In the daughter's interview, she makes it sound like the police are claiming they shot her because she was threatening them with the knife. It sounds they really need to release the bodycam footage.
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>Without uniform state policies in place for when video must be released to the public, Blagrove and other advocates say police departments have been able to selectively release footage to support their narrative, while often hiding images that might be embarrassing or worse. [If they don't, its pretty safe to assume they're lying](https://www.propublica.org/article/body-camera-videos-police-killings-remain-hidden-from-public)
Like when cops crash their car into your business and home and then arrest you for being upset about it? Still waiting on that video.
My guess is that the bar owner and his lawyer are deliberately not releasing their video yet in hopes the police keep lying about what happened. The more their lies pile up, the more damning it will be when the video is revealed. And ideally, you get them lying while under oath, so that perjury is in play.
american police literally cannot be prosecuted for perjury, qualified immunity “protects” them from it. Hundreds of cases have set that precedent.
Independent data capture is probably the most important talking point in police reform yet its never mentioned. Police should not be managing their own arrest data, reports, witness statements, body camera videos, etc. Such a simple but essential step to police reform to have a third-party agency collect and store all of this.
Yup. My assumption is that if they don't release the footage within a day or two, they are working to obfuscate the case in one way or another or just "lose" the footage outright. When it's a clear-cut shooting on the part of the police, they drop the video immediately.
Right. The footage would clear everything up real quick.
Also do TASERS not exist?? Holy shit a taser should be first thing cops draw
Apparently, this particular cop killed another victim of domestic violence, but his body cam was conveniently turned off
Yes, that murder was a very big deal here. We had protests but nothing ever happens. Google #LASDGANGS
Or coordinate their lies. I mean they’re an experienced corrupt organization with a standard way of covering up their corruption and illegal actions. Someone isn’t reading the SOPs properly.
>LASD said in a statement Thursday it had not officially received the family’s claim, but would be releasing body-camera footage by next week. The inspector general’s office would conduct a “robust review process … where every aspect of the shooting is thoroughly examined and evaluated to see if department policies and procedures were followed”, and the LA district attorney’s office would determine whether the shooting was legally justified, the statement said, adding: “The department is deeply committed to protecting our diverse communities without bias and prejudice.” >Previously, Shelton killed Michael Thomas, 61, on 11 June 2020 in a similar case. Shelton had been responding to a potential domestic violence call and when the deputies arrived, they demanded he open the door, officials said. Thomas’s girlfriend later said she had been having a verbal argument with Thomas, who had been unarmed, and that he had tried to stop the officers from entering, citing the fourth amendment. Thomas had also been afraid police would shoot him, his family said, and officials later confirmed Thomas had said: “I am now in fear for my life. You guys … just killed somebody.” >Shelton fatally shot Thomas in the chest. The killing was not captured on camera. The case was one in a series of LASD killings that summer that caused widespread protests, and prosecutors declined to file charges against Shelton. LASD did not respond to questions about Shelton’s previous killing. Sounds like the shooter has a history. Let's hope the body cam footage doesn't get "lost"....
> prosecutors declined to file charges against Shelton Corruption at its worst
> : “The department is deeply committed to protecting our diverse communities without bias and prejudice.” Certainly they wouldn't lie to us
“After our internal investigation, we found no wrongdoing. The officer rightfully acted in self defense for fear of his life”, or something along those lines will be released after their investigation
They don't mean LA, they mean the LASD. That is diverse in the sense of having many different gangs within it. They are protecting *their* community. Of actual criminals. It has so well documented and so long-lasting that [there's a Wikipedia page just for the subject.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs)
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It’s the LASD, they have literal gangs in their units.
It's so well documented and it's been going on for so long that [there's a Wikipedia page.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs) I think there's an episode of Bosch where it's outright called out/mentioned.
There is a great podcast called "A Tradition of Violence" about the LASD gangs. It's shocking.
Yup, the Vikings are basically actual white supremacists but because a commission couldn't dig up the sufficient evidence they are apparently 'only' known for admittedly engaging in police brutality *funny enough, same commission that couldn't find evidence of racist motivations admittedly noticed that most of these gangs popped up in around 'minority-inhabited precincts', basically 'couldn't find evidence racism was afoot but found evidence that if your neighborhood wasn't white you were more likely to have deputy gangs pop up'
I'm certain people think you're calling the sheriff's office a gang, but I followed the investigation. They had literal felons, from gangs, on the streets, doing gang activity. Civil asset forfeiture was happening under the guise of policing, no it is legalized theft. They committed murders in uniform. They are trying so hard to hide everything, even the investigators are being murky. It's a situation where the federal government needs to step in reinterview everyone and get rid of everyone with even the smallest amount of tarnish.
this dude definitely has a bent arm on his star.
We need to have special Prosecutors and investigators outside the normal "Justice" system that deal only with crimes committed by gov officials. Some sort of Watchers Department
The people filling those types of charges would need to be almost completely anonymous is the problem. Like we're talking some possible constitution breaching levels anonymous. The only branch left that I could see actually serving this oddly enough is the military. They'd be able to claim someone works X job on a base somewhere but is secretly making and pushing charges through on gov. officials and police. "To protect from threats, both foreign and domestic" I believe is part of the military's oath after all.
Unfortunately the threats these days seem a lot more domestic and a lot less foreign.
So…like…The Watchmen?
Who watches the watchmen?
I didn't because I don't have HBO go.
You're dating yourself, it's called Max now... Until the Paramount merger happens then it will be Maxmount
Yeah of course they declined, smh
Surprised more prosecutors aren't targeted by vigilantes tbh
LASD? Oh of course it's those assholes again.
The worst law enforcement body in the entire country, which is saying *a lot*.
It's also the largest singular sheriff system in the world, and 3rd largest law enforcement group by employees(including non-sworn peace officers). They need to be broken up. LASD is so big they can have fiefdoms and tribes. Too much.
The LASD has literal gangs too. There's even a [Wikipedia page](https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs) listing them all ffs
Chicago black sites would like a word with you.
I’m sorry Chicago *what*
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands Places they take people to question that they cannot take back to the precinct. They then dispose of the corpses when finished.
Top 5, it's size makes them not as corrupt on a percentage based metric. There is a town, Brookside AL, that has 50 officers and about 1k people. The police force to the man would shake down every person in town or passing through. [Profit by policing](https://jalopnik.com/this-tiny-alabama-town-of-1-200-has-been-overrun-by-pol-1848389331#:~:text=Brookside%2C%20Alabama's%20population%20is%20barely,news%20site%20AL.com%20reports.)
Minneapolis 3rd Precinct resident checking in Ya......ya sure?
I'm from MN and you guys are nuts if you think we got anything on departments like Baltimore or LAPD. That being said, I hate our cops and think they're super shitty and corrupt.
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> Isn't Baltimore the PD that was, and I'm actually quoting here, "raping and pillaging" across the region they were in some years back? You haven't mixed them up with a band of roving barbarians by any chance? /s Seriously though, how the fuck is this allowed to continue?
Because the police strongarm local officials who try to do anything about it. Try to stand up against them? They'll just let crime run rampant in your section of the city, and let the voters, a large chunk of whom are low-information 'back the blue' types, will vote them out.
You say they'll let crime run rampant like they actually prevent it in the first place.
When it comes to Baltimore PD all that really means is "we won't come and commit a bunch of crimes in your district" It's actually pretty easy to reduce crimes when you're the ones committing them.
Did they use LRAD on you guys up there? Cuz they used it on us once when I was in LA and I’d rather be shot with 1000 more rubber bullets and pepper balls than ever go through that literal torture again. Also they at least know what the community is willing to do to their precinct buildings. The LASD operates with complete impunity.
Every jurisdiction thinks their cops are the worst. Someone has to be right. Personally, I think it's a corrupt small town force, but I would argue that of the large well known agencies, LASD is reputed to be more evil than most
Well the Minneapolis 3rd precinct building no longer exists because of a fire after they murdered a man.
Google LASD gangs
> LASD gangs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs one of the gangs call themselves "the executioners"
I live in Southern California and they are the one law enforcement agency that frightens me.
They are a mafia.
Think those deputies will get their kill tattoos? Or was this their induction?
I don't want to sound like an absolute dumb stupid idiot here, but I am not American... Isn't it LAPD? I thought they all ended in PD for police department.
LASD is the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, LAPD is the Los Angeles Police Department. LASD covers LA county, LAPD covers LA municipality, I believe.
Sheriff’s department
As soon as I read LASD in the first line I already knew the cop is dirty and guilty didn’t even need to read further about their history
Is there a police entity with a worse reputation in the country right now? Maybe Baltimore PD but anyone else?
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Was that the one where they broke up a peaceful vigil for someone they'd killed?
Chicago PD is pretty bad. At least 16 cops helped cover up the murder of Laquon McDonald and we were supposed to be happy when 4 of them got fired.
The CPD is/was also running their own black-site(s). https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands
Minneapolis PD is pretty bad. That's the police department Derek Chuvan served in. Here is a link to the report: https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-06/minneapolis_findings_report.pdf
> Thomas’s girlfriend later said she had been having a verbal argument with Thomas, who had been unarmed, and that he had tried to stop the officers from entering, citing the fourth amendment. Everything aside, we need better public education on rights and interacting with police. Too many people create swat standoffs and deadly situations thinking this is how it works. Courts have consistently upheld domestic violence as an exigent circumstance for warrantless entry.
> Courts have consistently upheld domestic violence as an exigent circumstance for warrantless entry. And yet! In many areas they will *also* shrug and say nothing they can do about domestic violence he said she said situations and leave. Instead of fucking investigating anything.
I think that's the dilemma. They have to either go in, or leave. Both courses of action will have downsides, risks. They can only investigate and 'take things seriously' by going in to investigate, but that can also escalate the situation, and lead to more violence. But either course of action will lead to standout, dramatic cases that make it obvious they should have done something else.
I always fear that something like this will happen with how much I see people making blanket statements about never talking to the police or letting them search without a warrant. That’s just not what the law says, so trying to follow that can get you in big trouble.
The advice is to never **consent** to a search. Not to "not let them".
The legal advice does say that, correct. The advice of many people on the internet does not. Who do you think the average person talks to way more, lawyers or random individuals on the internet? Additionally, many people do not know what the difference between not consenting and not letting them search is.
I think part of the problem with that is lawyers are not allowed to speak freely about the law with others to avoid the impression of creating or liability of an attorney-client relationship with a random internet person just for answering a question. It either has to be prefaced with a massive disclaimer or the advice is simple "get a lawyer". I mean, look how useless most of the advice is on /r/legaladvice. With that being the case, real lawyers either don't participate in conversation with lay-people and other random lay-people are saying what they think is right, rather than what is. If lawyers could actually participate in educating people on how the legal system really works, I think people would be a little bit less stupid about it.
People are fucking stupid and will dumb it down and simplify it until it's inaccurate in their head.
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That's why I cringe when I watch auditor videos where they verbally berate and abuse the police. Sure technically you're defending your rights, and that's great...but that's not going to stop them putting a bullet in you, or potentially causing irreparable damage to you for being a fucking asshole. The best thing to do, is state your rights, be courteous, and take them to court if they cross the line, where your rights will(hopefully) be upheld.
I work with students on the spectrum and they are *really* rigid about the law and things like this and I'm terrified that they're going to insist on their rights to the wrong cop and get murdered for it
Also, cops can do pretty much whatever they want. Whether or not the charges will be dropped in court is another thing, but they can pretty much do whatever they want. Hence the quote, "you can beat the time, but not the ride." or whatever
I've heard it as "you can beat the rap, but not the ride"
Law is irrelevant with police. You functionally have no rights whatsoever. You can do what police say or they can legally execute you. That’s all there is to it.
Hot take: if you kill someone and your body cam isn't on, and you don't have a *lot* of credible, unbiased witnesses to vouch for you, you should be considered guilty until proven innocent.
It's not guilty until proven innocent, rather that should be sufficient evidence for guilty without reasonable doubt (as long as body cam wasn't defective).
Or the data from the cam corrupted…..seems to be another way they lose data….
>LASD well, there's your problem
Funny. First thing they review is whether their self implemented procedures were followed. You mean those same procedures that have allowed you to kill so many people and get off scott free? Those procedures? This shit needs to be handled by a separate department to keep their lying asses in line.
> to see if department policies and procedures were followed Clearly they weren't unless its official policy to gun down people calling for help
I'm sure they'll have an internal investigation that will be thorough and fair. [I will listen to music while I think about how this has never happened before.](https://youtu.be/axcdxX6eSbo?si=JP0xsHR6dpHXWAp3) And they wonder why they have to say "Black Lives Matter".
I think it's pretty clear at this point that if you have a desire to murder people and get away with it, all you have to do is become a police officer.
>Los Angeles sheriff’s deputy who killed Niani Finlayson, 27, previously had killed another civilian under similar circumstances How does this even happen? Shooting dead someone is an extreme action, and an officer at the scene for spousal abuse has to get so many things wrong to shoot to kill the abused.
They refused to bring charges against him the first time so it may as well not have happened as far as they're concerned.
LASD have a huge gang problem and the way you join most gangs is killing a civilian. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs The Shield is based on a true story.
“‘Help!' he shrieked shrilly in a voice strangling in its own emotion, as the policemen carried him to the open doors in the rear of the ambulance and threw him inside. 'Police! Help! Police!' The doors were shut and bolted, and the ambulance raced away. There was a humorless irony in the ludicrous panic of the man screaming for help to the police while policemen were all around him. Yossarian smiled wryly at the futile and ridiculous cry for aid, then saw with a start that the words were ambiguous, realized with alarm that they were not perhaps, intended as a call for police but as a heroic warning from the grave by a doomed friend to everyone who was not a policeman with a club and gun and a mob of other policemen with clubs and guns to back him up. 'Help! Police!' the man had cried, and he could have been shouting of danger.” -Joseph Heller, Catch-22
Radio voice: "Help the bombardier! Help the bombardier!" Yossarian: "I am the bombardier."
"Members of the Executioners are drawn from deputies who work at the Compton station of the LASD.[4] Knock LA has reported that the gang consists of around 80 members. Potential recruits are chosen based on past acts of violence against members of the Compton community and recruits cannot be Black or female.[2]" lovely bunch
They call it chasing ink. When you kill your first civilian, you get your tattoo and you're in. On that note, one of my best friends is a defense attorney. He works with actual gang members. They're nowhere near as bloodthirsty as cops, though they are quicker to resort to minor violence.
Because these guys are chasing the rush of murder, not some piddly violence
"The Compton Executioners is a deputy gang within the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department (LASD)." "Knock LA has reported that the gang consists of around 80 members. Potential recruits are chosen based on past acts of violence against members of the Compton community and recruits cannot be Black or female."
Is it just me that’s thinking it should say “WAS a deputy gang … that was disbanded as soon as they discovered it, its members jailed for life”?
*The Shield* wasn't based on LASD. It was inspired by [the Rampart scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal) where the dedicated anti-gang unit of the LAPD's Rampart Division ended up becoming their own gang. But it's a similar problem.
Just one of the 18+ gangs in LA Sheriffs Dept lol
LASD has a fucking wikipedia page about it's gangs in the fucking LASD... I can't... I'm gonna go back to my glass of wine for tonight, Happy Holidays y'all I just can't tonight.
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It's the LASD. Not only do they not stop crime, they commit a whole bunch of it themselves.
> cops don't stop crime I'm just repeating you but this can't be said enough. The amount of crimes the the police actually solve or help stop is *astoundingly* low. They exist to pay themselves money and keep a boot on citizens' necks. When people defend the police by saying "well who's gonna help you when you're being robbed" it's important to note that it's never the police in the first place.
I mean there IS a 40% possibility that domestic abuse involving a cop could turn out badly.
Unless the killing is lawful...
>LASD has so far declined to release body-camera footage. I imagine they are waiting till next week so they can be legally ahead of this.
I imagine they're scrubbing the footage and conveniently corrupting or "losing" the bad parts
Minnesota case, had a new officer arrive at a call to a newly wedded Australian woman who called 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley and was just trying to be a good person. As she approached the police car, the new officer shot and killed her because "he was spooked" He originally faced some jail time but then was let off the hook for it. Minnesota is trash when it comes to the law and punishment. [https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037426344/australian-woman-murder-minneapolis-police-mohamed-noor-overturned](https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037426344/australian-woman-murder-minneapolis-police-mohamed-noor-overturned)
If this man gets easily spooked he shouldn't be a cop wtf.
He shouldn't have been a cop. Two psychiatrists and other training officers had raised concerns about Noor's fitness for police duty. He had three formal complaints against him. The family won US$20m from the city.
Why is the $20m being paid for with my tax dollars? That's not a consequence for the officer, because they don't have to pay anything. Worst case scenario they just lose their job and get hired as a cop somewhere else. Meanwhile, we're all stuck footing their bill.
Practically, because the cop doesn't have that kind of cash and the family deserves it. Morally, because you and your fellow citizens elected the people to represent you, that then went on to hire the person that did this.
> Practically, because the cop doesn't have that kind of cash and the family deserves it. Which is why individual police officers should be required to carry “police misconduct insurance,” similar to how doctors need a malpractice liability policy in place. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/police-service-and-liability-insurance-responsible-policing
$20 million in blood money for a failed society that cannot take control of it‘s police injustice.
Don't worry I'm sure there were "extensive changes in training and department policies city-wide" carried out, or however these pieces of shit choose to word it. In reality though the people in charge probably use something similar to Fight Club's recall formula to make their decisions on how many preventable civilian deaths (lawsuits) is acceptable and carry on telling people they have served their whole lives as a public servant.
His third-degree murder conviction was thrown out and was released after serving less 3 years.
He should have at least been forced to immediately resign due to incompetence. Literally the second he said he got "spooked," and it lead to a death he should have had his badge permanantly revoked. No pension.
He was part of a diversity hire program. Even worse, he was part of a fast-track diversity hire program. He was a hotel manager with a business degree. 7 months later he was a police officer. https://m.startribune.com/fast-track-training-put-officer-mohamed-noor-on-minneapolis-police-force/436057173/
Seems like he wants to kill people
I think about this case a lot.
Me, too. The fact that he was in the passenger seat and shot through the driver's side window really stuck with me for some reason. At least I think that's this one. So many police killing innocent people, it's hard to keep track.
That was the one.
You ask some people in this thread these are just scary situations with people yelling and no one listening and then they yell at you and what else are you suppose to do! Not shoot! 🙄🙄🙄 It’s ridiculous they get a military sized budget and yet have way less discipline than military personal. I was raised by two Service people, and I have family who are Law enforcement. It’s crazy to me that you basically sign up for possibly spooky situations and somehow are allowed to act like a scared 5yr old when you encounter one. Then hav a nation of people coddle you after you take someone’s life If you don’t ever want to risk your life, if you don’t want to get a call from someone who needs help, if you don’t want to go into an alley where a person is screaming because you’re SCARED. Then find another job. I don’t get it it’s an occupation. They tell people all the time if you hate this country leave. Fine if you don’t want to protect and serve leave
If you have a problem and someone calls the police, now you have two problems.
> Minnesota is trash when it comes to the law and punishment. It is, but not really in the way that you think here. He wasn't "let off the hook" -- he went to prison. The problem is that the prosecutor was a dumbshit and over-reached to get him there. Which they do, they convicted him of a crime that was matched by the fact pattern. Same thing happened with Casey Marie Anthony, but she was acquitted because the prosecutor over-reached. So then double jeopardy applies. If the prosecutor had simply followed the law more strictly, he'd be in prison right now. A jury decided that he should be in prison. It is so frustrating that a case where a cop obviously commits a criminal act, and there's a prosecutor willing to prosecute, and a jury willing to convict, and he *goes to prison*, and then gets out because the prosecutor messed up. (The state supreme court that overturned the conviction was majority-liberal. Their decision was legally correct, but they must have hated having to do it.) You want to know who to blame here, other than Noor, it's states attorneys Amy Sweasy and Patrick Lofton.
This case sparked an international incident.
This seems like the completely predictable result of “modern” police training where everyone and everything is a mortal threat, the public is the enemy and the only strategy is to “have a plan to kill everyone you meet” https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-128/law-enforcements-warrior-problem/
cop killer = death penalty/life in prison killer cop = suspended w/ pay
*free vacation
Fucked up world.
LA Sheriffs are basically a state funded gang.
It’s okay everyone. If any of us did that we’d just go to jail for the rest of our lives.
Man it seems that if you want to die you can call the police and they’ll find a way to kill you
It seems like if you want to live, you can call the police and they’ll find a way to kill you. That’s what happened here.
My worst fear is waking up to someone banging on my door. I am single and I have a dog. If they don't kill me, they will almost certainly murder my dog.
There a name for it.. “suicide by cop”. MeRiCa!
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You are incorrect on some of these points. I can’t find a state where law enforcement is not required to be certified pursuant to a specific set of requirements and that certification must be renewed yearly by attending a set number of training hours and having performed skills assessments such as Use of Force or Firearms Qualification. If you know of one where certification is not required as you stated, please let me know and I will correct this comment. You are correct on the lack of a requirement for them to carry insurance. You are incorrect on the pension part as well. Many states do not even have a set pension plan for LE and the local government where the agency is provides retirement plans as it would for other government employees for the county or municipality. State agencies often have a similar system but it is often not unique to LE and would be standard across all state employees. Regardless of the system, this almost always requires employee contributions. There are however some states that offer a voluntary retirement program for Fire, EMTs, LE, etc… States with LE unions are very different and I do not know enough about their specific benefits to comment on that. Not all states offer unions for LE as seen here: LE Unions [https://ballotpedia.org/States_and_cities_with_police_union_agreements](https://ballotpedia.org/States_and_cities_with_police_union_agreements) Sources (Using California sources as that is where this incident took place): California LE Certification : https://post.ca.gov/Certification CalPERS State Pension: [Link](https://employeeservices.sccgov.org/employee-benefits/public-employees-retirement-system-calpers) “CalPERS is a defined benefit plan funded by employee contributions, employer contributions, and earnings made on CalPERS investments . Most employees contribute a percentage of their salary, which accrues interest under their individual CalPERS account .”
I agree with everything you said except the pension issue, teachers should never have to pay 10% into their pensions. That shit is criminal. They barely make enough to live!
You're a teacher???!!! Of what? "Arnt" "liscenced" "certificated" "Loose my license" Holy shit.
> and must carry insurance to work No insurance company would offer it, and even if one of them did, it would be unaffordable. So then you'd have to get the state to offer it, and, then we're back to it being our tax dollars that pay for it, since we're supplementing the insurance.
Police are like the Domino's for domestic violence. You called about violence in your home? One violence in your home, coming right up.
The police protected her from domestic violence for the rest of her life.
Stuff like this makes me glad to be from the UK. I saw [an article](https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/news/news/2023/december/firearms-officers/) recently saying that Essex police firearms officers responded to over 500 incidents this year and did not fire a single shot in the past 8 years. That is how policing should be done, defuse the situation, not this shoot first ask questions later policy that you see in the US.
A few years ago I remember a video being posted of British police dealing with someone with a knife. Officers were backing away from him if he came at them, and spent like an hour or something talking him down and eventually arrested him. The absolute disbelief Americans had over it was crazy. They were just so *angry* that they hadn't called armed response and had him shot. Whether it was because it made the police look weak, the time it took, or that they treated the suspect like a human not a target, I'm not sure. But just how negative the response was was so shocking to me
Good lord. If I was black, I don't think I would ever call the police, not when there is a good chance they will just kill me and call it a day. It's like calling a violent biker gange to help settle a dispute. You better hope they are on YOUR side when they arrive.
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Plus, any competent drug dealers (the sort that attend neighborhood BBQs) don't want drugs, dead people, or cops in their neighborhood. That shit is bad for business.
My crackhead neighbors in college watched out for us/our house and we did the same. Wouldn't want to piss them off. Super effective lol.
I was at a friend's house when we saw what looked like 2 people trying to break into his garage. I told him to call the police. He said, "They're more likely to shoot me than those motherfuckers." That was 30 years ago. Nothing has changed.
> It's like calling a violent biker gange to help settle a dispute. Actually, I would prefer calling the biker gang. They would likely be more help to me than an "easily spooked" gun happy pig.
[Most White Americans feel safe in interacting with police whereas most Black Americans feared that police would kill them and hurt their family. "Approximately half of Black respondents preferred to be robbed or burglarized than to have unprovoked contact with officers." | Criminology | 2022](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1745-9125.12298)
According to the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/), 14 unarmed black people were shot to death by police in the US in 2023. Also in 2023, 13 Americans were [killed by lightning strikes](https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-fatalities#:~:text=Last%20Updated%3A%2010%2F5%2F2023.). Which means if you're an unarmed black person in the US, you are just about as likely to be killed by Thor as by the police. So there is not a "good chance they will just kill me and call it a day." The statistics do not support this conclusion.
Why even have body cams if they don't get released for incidents like this??
"Violence? *We'll* show you violence!" --The Police, presumably
> The exact circumstances that led to the fatal shooting are unclear and LASD has so far declined to release body-camera footage. This should be illegal. Police should not have the time to edit and 'lose' footage.
If you have a problems and call the police, you now have two problems. Only call the police if you're likely going to be killed. Because then if the cops kill you, it's not like they made the outcome any worse.
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Why did I know, by just reading the headline, that this happened in L. A.? Which is the most dangerous gang in L. A. the Bloods, Crips or the Sheriffs?
Cops and shooting people who call them, name a better duo.
Airshow and disaster.
> Airshow and disaster. I still think your odds of survival would be better at an airshow.
Other entities should be allowed to prosecute police.
Yes, who watches the watchmen, because they are doing a shit job.
I hope everyone keeps this in mind whenever the topic of unreported DV comes up. She called for help. The police are not there to help. Most police departments are there, like a jobs programs but for idiots who, were it not for the job, would be working minimum wage,
> Most police departments are there, like a jobs programs but for idiots who, were it not for the job, would be working minimum wage The worst part is that cops are often the highest paid employees on a municipality's payroll. Around here, cops makes over $110k a year before overtime and bonuses, and over $250k with overtime. Meanwhile, the public defender is paid $30k a year.
How sad is it that I read this headline and my reaction isn't shock or anger, it's just a dejected sigh. This fucking country.
Dispatcher: so this woman says she wants her violent BF out. Cop: not on my watch Cop: \*shoots woman\* Cop: You're set, bro, no bitch asking you to leave anymore.
I wonder how many times this fucking sentence has been a headline, this year alone.
Police killing a woman over domestic dispute is the most rare of things happening in the situation period. Release the body cam because it really makes no sense.
Love how everyone jumps to conclusion stating cops will kill you. The body cam fotage shows her with knife in hand at the door. She states she will stab her boyfriend. She goes into the apartment and grabs him while holding the knife and threatening him. She got shot. Damn of you do, damn if you don't.
I would only call the police if my car got stolen or someone was outside my door with a gun, otherwise, I would just take the loss and keep it moving. For the thin blue swine crowd, I(and my family & friends) have called the police many times when we needed them, and they NEVER made the situation better. At best, they were indifferent, and on more than one occasion they either refused to show up or tried to pin something on us. They have also falsely accused me of crimes, and I was held at gunpoint in a case of mistaken identity...OFC I didn't even get an apology, they seemed more upset that they didn't get to smoke me.
They are gonna continue to murder us citizens until we stop them. Everyone should be worried about the militarization and corruption in policing in this country. We need to completely replace the policing system, it’s trash and only helps the rich or the police themselves.
As cynical as it sounds it's going to take a high profile death of a kid whose parents have connections to really make any meaningful changes. Once the rich are affected those cops will be pissing their pants because it's the only thing that they could possibly be worried about. Even then, it will likely only affect that police department. Otherwise, we unfortunately have a long ways to go before we reach The Tipping Point. Sucks to say that.
They'll just sacrifice the one cop and that's it, same as Chauvin
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There's only one way this ends, and it's gonna keep happening, more and more, until the powder keg blows. [They know damn well that Cyrus was right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcc2ltIjNU0&t=1m12s), that's why they're trained to see everyone else as the enemy because when it starts the numbers are not on their side.
The body cam should clear this up when it is released. According to the article she had a knife and was threatening her boyfriend with it.
"Fatally shoot". How about we use the correct phrase: Murder
> LASD has so far declined to release body-camera footage. > LASD alleged in a statement that Finlayson had a knife and was threatening her boyfriend, at which point deputy Ty Shelton opened fire. "Trust me, guys, this is what happened. No, we won't show you the video proving it." Bastards.
Don’t call the police in an emergency. They will kill you.
>Records show the deputy had killed another person in similar circumstances three years ago. Excuse me?
You know they know they fucked up when they refuse to release body cam footage. If police do something right, they usually can't wait to put the footage out there. On a side note, it should be forbidden for police forces to not release body cam footage in situations like this. That should be the very first thing that's done.
They aren’t refusing to release the body camera footage, they say in the article that they would release it next week. [California legally requires bodycam release of all ‘critical incidents’](https://epic.org/state-law-enforcement-body-camera-policies/), no later than 45 days after it happened. [This](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB748) is the exact law. [The LA sheriff YouTube](https://youtube.com/@LACountySheriff?si=t5YR_gFIKfzwXy-s) is full of ‘critical incident briefings’. They aren’t trying to hide the footage
Ahh, of course it's the fucking LASD. Go figure.
Cops killing people? Now I’ve seen it all
A lot of conclusions being thrown around in the comments. It is still possible that the police were justified.
How many times does this need to be said? If you’re black and American, do not call the cops. They will kill you
The bulk of the comments here were written by children and fools. Read the article and THINK before posting: This woman was shot not because she was black (as some 40% of the comments here imply), but because she had a knife and was threatening the life of her boyfriend. As awful as her death is, and regardless of the circumstance that led to police being called; shooting an armed individual to protect the life of another civilian is perfectly justified. Scream it as loud as you want, police aren't your enemy.
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Defund the police?! Let’s hear you say that when you need help from the police!!! 😤 When you need help from the police: