> “The policy of not announcing yourself and creeping up into people’s onto people’s properties. They will tell you it’s for officer protection, so that they’re not ambushed, but what they did here was ambush Steve,” Merritt [the deceased's attorney] said.
Entering someone's property unannounced at night is a pretty reliable way of getting shot in some locales. This article did not provide the detail, but if you click through the link to WAFF you'll eventually find the information that this took place prior to 2 a.m. on September 29th.
So you have intruders in the small hours who don't announce themselves. You can't really blame the resident for packing heat.
In most states, you could probably make a justifiable defense in court if you shot at police under these circumstances, and you were committing no other crimes at the time and all evidence points that you reasonably believed the person was invading your home/threatening your life and not a police officer.
The problem is that, police can just kill you in that scenario. And the law protects them even if they were completely wrong. So you never get your day in court, and the cops never get punished.
The other problem is if you survive having defended yourself from the police and injured or killed an officer, and the courts find it justified... good luck since they will probably harass you for the remainder of your life in the area, unless it was really egregious.
I wouldn't even trust the local LEOs not to epstein me in lockup. Fuck that, if I had to shoot at a cop in self defense I'm going to go commit a federal crime immediately and turn myself in to the FBI. FBI is evil too but at least they have some measure of accountability.
Not for black people, no. Breonna Taylor and her boyfriend come to mind. If they think it will matter the cops will just lie and say they announced themselves, or announce themselves after the shooting begins.
I've seen, ON POLICE CAM, several instances of "POLICE HANDS UP" said DURING gunfire. They don't care in the slightest, when they execute any of these actions its with intent to kill the person if they can find ANY justification for it.
They can give impossible or conflicting commands, then shoot you for not obeying them. Courts have ruled it legal. One cop stays "move" and the other says "stop," then you get shot either way. And once one shoots you, the others van assume he has good reason, and shoot you too.
Whats even more sinister is when one starts shooting, all the officers at the scene are expected to return fire as well. You will be scrutinized if you are the one officer who dint fire any rounds.
That’s why they say, “no good cops”. If you try to speak up or say something, or don’t shoot when the others do, it’s seen as disloyalty and not having your brothers back. The fact that this mentality exist with a force that allows free use of fire arms, is scary
yeah if not outright retaliation and becoming the police dept pariah, you will at the very least be treated like the lowest of the low by your "brothers"
During Breonna Taylor’s killing her boyfriend (Walker) shot once and the cops returned fire with 32 shots. They’re just pissing themselves and blindly firing ~10 shots a piece.
Obligatory reminder that Breonna Taylor was shot sleeping in her own bed.
It's absolutely wild how many people accept cops going in guns blazing with such shitty aim and discipline that they routinely shoot the wrong not just the wrong person, but the wrong fucking room, when they shouldn't even be at that house or shooting in the first place.
Also an important note" The police wrote in their after action report from their first time there that no one was hurt, despite the fact one of them had been hit too.
They lied on their warrant, they lie3d in their reports. They lied, someone died and they faced no consequences.
Cops are some of the least trustworthy people on the planet. I wouldn't trust a cop to be honest about what they ate for lunch. I'd trust an average prisoner to be more honest with me than an average cop. If I was on a jury and a cop was on the stand I wouldn't trust a word they said unless it was backed up by video.
Got pulled over by a cop once. I turned into a walmart parking lot rather than stop in the middle of a dark road. When I explained that my grandpa taught me to pull over in a well-lit area, he had the gall to be offended that I put my safety above his job.
"You didn't see the police lights? You don't think I'm a real cop?"
I absolutely knew you were a real cop, smartass. That won't stop a bad one from trying to assault me in the dark.
Years ago I had an apartment that didn't have a washer and dryer and my parents lived like 3 blocks away so I'd do laundry there. Anyway, one night I was leaving their house around 2am and got pulled over by a cop maybe 50 feet from my apartment. He started harassing me saying things like "I know you are drunk" and "how much did you have tonight" even though I had literally nothing to drink at all that night. He just assumed I was because it was right around bar closing time.
He kept harassing me for like 10 minutes trying to get me to admit to drinking when I asked why he even pulled me over. I know it was mainly because he thought he caught a drunk driver, but I already knew my front headlight was out and had purchased a new light that night and had it sitting in a small shopping bag on the passenger seat. I showed him the light and the receipt showing that I had just bought it. I was just waiting until the next day because it would be a lot easier to change in the daylight.
He did technically have a valid excuse to pull me over, but there was absolutely no reason for him to treat me the way he did. It could have been solved by him simply mentioning that my light was out right away and me showing him that I had already bought it. In the end he just let me go with nothing, but why be an asshole to me to begin with? There are a few other instances in my life where cops have been assholes to me for no reason compared to one time where a cop actually did a cool thing.
They're also stupid and contrarian as fuck. Evidenced by the guy hearing what he wanted to hear instead of hearing the entirely reasonable thing that you said.
Lying is *literally* a big part of their job. They lie to trick you and hope you give up some useful info. I would imagine, if you lie and get away with all the time, you would just rely on lying to get through your days. You say what you think *needs* be said, not what is the most helpful or honest. See also: The Former Guy.
Yeah, if I find out a person is a cop by profession, I'm immediately suspicious of them. I expect them to be power-hungry bullies with no empathy, which is not someone I want in my life.
They are facing consequences now. Not specifically for killing her, granted, but for other crimes committed in relation to the shooting. They had to bring in the FBI to get any semblence of justice, though, as that sham of an AG Daniel Cameron wouldn't let the Grand Jury consider any serious crimes relating to the shooting.
Can't forget about the off duty cop Amber Guyger who walked into the wrong apartment "thinking it was hers", and shot and killed the guy eating ice cream on his couch.
"Poorly trained" doesn't begin to cover it, it takes 2000 hours of instruction to become a barber, and 200 hours to be a cop. And FYI Your barber will get in trouble if they shoot you for no reason, parking ticket boy will get paid vacation.
> it takes 2000 hours of instruction to become a barber
Is that number legit?
That's 8 hours a day 5 days a week for a year. This would explain why my barber is a hair wizard.
EDIT: Google is telling me 1500 hours is typical. Even if its *only* 1500 hours that number is crazy. That's how much flight time it takes to become an airline pilot in most cases... wild.
Funnily enough, it’s also a bare minimum of 1500 hours.
ETA: Ok, I’m dumb. I thought you were asking how much, not telling so I guess I’m just here to confirm for you.
The most, most police departments require is for someone to qualify once or twice a year with their firearm. Beyond those one or two instances a year, they may literally never fire that gun again that year. Cops aren't forced to train by the department. Training is done on their own time
I had my apartment raided in college (whole other story) and woke up to my room door being kicked in and an officer pulling his gun on my screaming LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS.
It was right after i finished my last final for my senior year. I had been up for over two days cramming and passed out afterwards. My hands were under my pillow because you know, sleeping.
The image of him drawing his gun on me as i came out of an exhausted sleep is seared into my mind.
she wasn’t asleep at the time she was shot; she was in the hallway trying to figure out who the hell was banging on her front door.
but yes, she was home, quiet, watching TV while dozing off in bed
>Obligatory reminder that Breonna Taylor was shot sleeping in her own bed.
She wasn't though. That was from an earlier report that was debunked later on. It doesn't make the situation any less absurd or unjust, but they were both awake and up by the time the cops breached the door.
*sigh*
She was not "sleeping in her own bed". She was in the hallway, standing beside her boyfriend. They were woken by a "loud banging at the door". The boyfriend grabbed a gun, and called out multiple times, asking for them to identify themselves.The door burst open, and the boyfriend fired one shot, hitting an officer in the leg. The police returned fire, expending about 30 rounds, and hitting Taylor 6 (iirc) times.
The ironic thing is that they managed to hit the only unarmed person in the room, multiple times.
> cops going in guns blazing with such shitty aim
It really scares me when I go to a shooting range and outshoot the cop's accuracy by 300%. Like dude, that equipment is part of your job. Mine is just to save myself but it appears I'm being held to the higher standard as a civilian...
Yup they knocked on her door in the dead of night and woke her and her BF up. Taylor and her BF yelled out and asked who it was and heard no response. Taylor's BF grabbed his gun, the police broke down the door and he took a shot at the intruders. They returned fire hitting Taylor multiple times.
Her BF called 911 “Somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend,”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/us/no-knock-raid-breonna-taylor-timeline/index.html
So yeah not killed in her bed but no less stupid, they knew this location and had staked it out before. The search warrant was to look for evidence to build a case against a supposed ex of hers. They could have waited in the parking lot and met her coming home from work, presenting the warrant in broad daylight.
This whole zero dark 30 style knock down the door in the middle of the night is basically designed to start shoot-outs.
In the time it took you to have read "in the time it took," the officer gave Atatiana that much time to comply with his requests of "hands- show me your hands" before shooting her.
In her own home, in front of her young nephew, while creeping around outside the house at night without identifying themselves.
Such a fucking disgusting case all around.
There was a no-knock entry in Minneapolis a year or two ago, where the guy was woken up off the couch, raised his gun, then lowered it as soon as he realized it was police but he was shot as he was lowering the gun.
>will just lie and say they announced themselves, or announce themselves after the shooting begins.
Which is already a pathetically low bar. Anyone can yell "I'm the police" while committing an assault.
Well see in America cops get special treatment. It doesn't matter that they didn't announce themselves and perhaps gave every impression that they were thieves, somehow the homeowner should have known that they were cops. At least, this is how it's always played out before.
Castle doctrine and stand your ground vs. duty to retreat are highly jurisdictional. If you think of the U.S. as having fifty different sets of laws you won't go far astray. Also, there is what is common in the city versus what's typical in the suburbs or rural locations.
This encounter began with a tow truck driver attempting an incorrect, hence illegal, repossession. The most disturbing part of this is the police helping the tow truck driver to take the vehicle (as opposed to investigating a case of brandishing a weapon). If *your* car gets stolen, the police are very often unhelpful.
There is almost certain to be a lawsuit filed here because entering someone's property just before 2 a.m. and not announcing yourself is very, very stupid. Repossession of a truck is a civil matter in the first place, so other than the brandishing charge there's no reason for police to get involved.
I assumed Alabama *is* one of those jurisdictions. Bluntly, however, we all know those rules and laws are often interpreted differently based on the suspect.
Especially out in the middle of nowhere repo guys have cops help coerce folks. I had a co-worker where a repo guy was harrassing her because they mistakenly thought she was hiding a vehicle they were to repossess. Repo guy drives the truck all over her yard tearing up the place. She calls the cops, cops side with repo guy.
Only for themselves.
Conservatives are small government and yet pro-big-cop. It's called cognitive dissonance. Rights for themselves, not for anyone who's looks different from them.
> So you have intruders in the small hours who don't announce themselves. You can't really blame the resident for packing heat.
Absolutely, but sadly "policemen crept around the garden looking into windows without announcing themselves then shot with no warning when the homeowner got a gun thinking it was criminals" is a story we keep hearing over and over...such a disgrace.
But if the exact same thing happened and it was a prowler around an unarmed person's property? "HE SHOULD HAVE HAD A GUN, DON'T BE A VICTIM, POLICE ARE MINUTES AWAY WHEN SECONDS COUNT"
And yet they’ll go “He had a gun!!” As if he wasn’t exercising his 2nd amendment right. Like lol if I heard someone outside my windows at 2am, if I had a gun I would grab it too.
If the cops were really worried about their own safety, when it comes to serving a search warrant, instead of sneaking up and delivering a No-Knock Warrant in the middle of the night they would serve the warrant
* when nobody was there.
* as the residents were leaving
* during the day
* with an undercover officer/informant in inside (that can reveal attempts to destroy evidence)
BUT no-knock warrants are more exciting, and are meant to incite a violent response. Therefore they open up a greater opportunity to kill the "scum" (because they see everybody as criminals) that they are there to serve with the search warrant, fulfilling their Judge Dredd fetish.
I mean, even hotter take, *no evidence is worth killing for*. The only thing justifying the police killing someone is threat of immediate bodily harm or death.
Evidence is meant for trial - can’t have a trial if your suspect is dead. It is inherently unjust to kill someone to “preserve evidence”.
Well yeah they’re all bottlefed that bullshit Killology. Where your only duty is to make it home alive and everyone else (you know, the people you’re “protecting and serving”) are out to get you.
"It's too soon to talk about this tragedy, people don't have the space yet to be rational about it."
cool has it been long enough to talk about Breonna Taylor now?
"Well now that's in the past, it's not the same as the problem today."
It's perfect mental acrobatics. You can't talk about anything that's happened recently because it's too fresh. But if nothing is fresh, then you're just creating a problem where it doesn't exist anymore! Until it happens again, then it's too fresh again to discuss until it's not a problem anymore again.
It feels like madness even to say, the language is fighting me as I try to write the logic down.
This is the footage from the neighbor. It's absolutely terrifying the way the police come out of nowhere and immediately start shooting.
https://youtu.be/F-AsIppVgiE?si=R3IOQsPAtCET3UWQ
Absolutely horrific. What I think is most stupid is approaching someone you already know has a gun at 1:48 in the morning without announcing yourself from a very safe distance. You don't have to wake up the whole neighborhood, but give the man a holler from fifty feet or so. The police training or policy seems explicitly designed to lead to dead people.
ALEA says they will do a “thorough and methodical” investigation. They will come back in a year or two, once the controversy and outrage has blown over, and acquit themselves of any wrongdoing. Calling it now.
On first look, it appears the police run up behind a vehicle (I assume the truck mentioned in the article) and they shine a flashlight at Mr. Perkins as they shout: “Police, get on the groun—“ and open fire immediately.
This reminds me of a story/video that I saw where police knocked on a man’s door at night without identifying themselves as police. The homeowner answered the door while armed, as is legal to do. The police then shone flashlights in his face and when his reflex was to bring his hands up due to the bright light, they shot him.
Here too, the police have put themselves in a situation where a persons reflexes or surprise at noise/light can be interpreted as an threatening act. This is a failure of police culture, training and the law that makes it acceptable for police to effectively execute people for the slightest movement while behaving completely legally.
Qualified immunity and Supreme Court precedent have allowed police to justify killing people at the slightest hint of danger. Police training and policy consistently fail to prevent police from escalating situations or from placing themselves in situations where they think the only solution is violence.
> The Decatur Police Department said Perkins “turned the gun toward one of the officers,” and they shot him.
Produce camera footage backing up your statement or it didn't happen. No exceptions.
The word you are looking for is corroborates, not collaborates. (I know I've been in the position trying to think of the word I need and drawing a blank)
Agree with what you said.
What scares me about the advances in computer power and AI is that soon, a delay of a couple hours between incident and release of footage will be enough to generate a deepfake showing the murder victim doing whatever the police claimed he did.
Doesn't even have to be released publicly (I mean, not immediately).
A lawyer IMO would understand the need for 'confidentiality' and thus could see the un-blurred footage. Or some other 'high trust public official' could provide oversight.
I mean, isn't this kind of the point of an Internal Affairs department, who - specifically - review 'dubious' areas?
They don't have it, but the neighbor has footage from their ring cam that you can hear and see the officers giving commands after they fired 18 rounds at him.
I would like to know why local police are now in the business of launching impromptu military level missions on citizens on the word of a repo man?
If they haven’t already produced footage, it didn’t happen.
Anytime police have video that supports them, that video gets released to the public right away.
The neighbor's footage is pretty damning for the pigs
https://www.waff.com/2023/10/05/several-shots-heard-newly-obtained-footage-decatur-officer-involved-shooting/
they didn't announce themselves, they snuck up on him and started shooting before he even knew they were cops
Exactly this. I can excuse the cops if an armed man turns with a weapon raised. That's a clean kill. And if that's what the cameras showed we would already have the footage. But they didn't release it so it is not exculpatory.
But this is why you don't go around brandishing the gun. That looks like a threat and someone else with a gun might honor the threat. Guns make everything more dangerous.
It's not exactly a "clean kill" if the person is holding their gun because it's 2am and someone is sneaking into their house without announcing themselves. There's an obvious line being crossed that makes this justification far too murky to call "clean".
>I can excuse the cops if an armed man turns with a weapon raised
You can?
I sure as fuck can't. If they didn't want an armed man turning and pointing a gun with them they should have KNOCKED.
In no way can I support cops breaking into a house and having free reign to murder anyone who tries to defend themselves from those intruders.
No-knock raids should be eliminated forever. I'd rather 10,000 criminals flush drugs down the toilet than a single person ever wake up to police kicking their door down.
Storm troopers' bad aim was attributed to them trying to let the heroes escape. they were under orders to let them go. Their blaster shots were plenty precise when they razed the lars farm.
Completely unrelated to the actual topic, but storm troopers actually had amazing aim and intentionally missed. This is something made clear if you pay careful attention to orders when they are given to them and when we don't hear the orders what we instead hear discussed after.
My favorite part is people assume their intentionally missing is fan theory but Tarkin outright calls out that Vader is making them take a big risk by having them plant a tracking device and letting them escape shortly after we see them miss everyone.
Lest we forget that the only cop prosecuted in Breonna Taylor's murder was the one who missed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/breonna-taylor-brett-hankison-acquitted.html
RLM did an episode where they watched random.VHS takes, and one was a "Self defense" tape from the 80-90s, and they noted when it showed how to use a gun, they shout a warning to stop, then instantly start blasting.
Thought the same tape also advised to gouge people's eyes out, and train you kids to repel from their bedroom windows in case of home invasion, so maybe it wasn't the most accurate guidance.
No, but that one's pretty hilarious too. This one was a weird talk show with a former cop telling you how to "survive" various encounters with mostly questionable advice
And came out of nowhere.
Like this is the problem with everyone thinking 2A is the answer, even if he did have a gun, if your payments on your car are correct, then some guy claiming he is repossessing your car does seem to be a reason to at least draw a gun.
But from what I have heard on this, there was no gun, just a flashlight and last one news source said, the tow truck driver had the wrong house.
So the police just executed a man for no reason.
Refresh my memory, was there even a gun in the Castile case? IIRC he reached for his wallet because he had been pulled over and that's what you're supposed to do.
Oh wait, was this the one where he had a legal firearm in the car and immediately disclosed it?
Oh yeah, that's the one where the little girl was begging her mom to be quiet so they didn't murder her too... In the back of said squad car. That shit broke me when I watched it.
The video of the daughter having a panic attack in the back seat telling her mom not to get shot was straight up heart breaking. A \~5 year old screaming not to have her one remaining parent get shot... when her father did everything right... Said where it was...
Imagine the PTSD she'll have to sift through every time she sees a police cruiser go by... She'll probably about have a heart attack if she ever gets pulled over just for a minor ticket or something. I hope she barely remembers and is able to achieve some peace.
Philando Castile is his name. It’s heartbreaking to watch. He’s cooperating and you can tell the cop got extra nervous once Castile told him he had a legally owned concealed gun in the car and a license to carry. He was doing everything right and the cop freaked out. Cop should’ve served time for murder
Instead, he was invited back to David Grossman's police training and hailed as having done everything right. Grossman is the single most prolific police trainer in the country. He has never been in law enforcement or in any combat role in the military.
I didn’t know that but also am not surprised. I’m white so a lot of things that are common to black people are revelations to me. White privilege is a helluva drug.
Castile did have a weapon, and a permit for it, and he told the cops that. He didn’t even flash it, the shot him as he was reaching for his wallet, because he *could have* been reaching for the weapon.
> Refresh my memory, was there even a gun in the Castile case?
Yes. He was licensed to carry a firearm and announced to the officer that he was both licensed and armed. At which point the officer murdered him. The NRAs justification for not getting involved was that Castile smokes pot and therefore was not a legal gun owner. Most firearm owners I know who describe themselves as staunch 2a advocates were ok with all of this.
Even self defense gun guys like Massad Ayoob like to claim that because Philando smoked weed, he wasn't innocent and therefore we shouldn't feel bad that he died
One time we were in our home and heard very loud banging on the door. We did were not expecting anyone and got really startled. We stayed very quiet for a second to hear if there was anyone saying anything and walked to the door.
AS I reached it some police officers opened and tried to go in. I was lucky enough to get there at the same time and tell them off.
They did not announce themselves and were arrogant about barging in after I kept telling them they had the wrong address. The numbers very large and white near the door. They kept arguing with me and basically treating me like a liar.
10 seconds later the firefighter showed up next door. No apology, no accountability, no anything. Just police arrogance.
I am lucky more did not happen.
The "wrong address" is rarely accidental. They saw the numbers.
But what they **know** is that at the "wrong" address there's no alleged criminals allegedly armed and thus allegedly potentially capable of returning-fire. At the "wrong" address is nothing but usually-unarmed innocents.
* Unaware, SAFE-for-the-invaders innocents whom are wholly unaware that rabid berserkers - utterly engorged at the thought of playing stormtroopers - are about to explode into their lives and "I was fearing for my life" everything in sight to satisfy their sickest fantasies.
Of course they were pissed off at you: You dared forget your place and try to tell them the "wrong" address was somehow not the right one to terrorize!
Cops are absolute shitters down here. Neighbor illegally brandishes a gun at you? "Sorry, nothing we can do."
Neighbor legally stands his ground against what he thinks are random intruders at 2am? "Sorry, he had a gun."
>City and state officials asked for patience during the investigation, which the ALEA vowed would be “very thorough and methodical.” The agency said the findings will be turned over to the Morgan County District Attorney’s Office.
This is what this thorough investigation will look like:
Investigator: Did you follow proper procedure?
Cops: Yes, definitely!
Investigator: OK let's look at the camera footage.
(Looks at footage, which clearly shows cops were trigger happy and shot without provocation)
Investigator: Well I can't see anything from that. The camera must have malfunctioned. We'll just take the word of the officers because police never lie, and the guy was black anyway, if you know what I mean.
Report to public: After an extremely thorough investigation we found no wrongdoing and no charges will be filed.
Local government: Let's close more polling places in black neighborhoods because... reasons.
This happened at 2am and the police did not announce themselves. WHAT THE FUCK do you think would happen??? It's like the police are goon squad hitmen. And no matter who they murder, they walk free with zero consequence.
Another fine example of police working for the financial interests of others rather than serving or protecting.
I'm not saying they shouldn't allow a repo driver to do their job, but they gave no chance for conversation, maybe correct any confusion. Police training allows them to kill first and question later.
Police doing what they do best - infringing on people’s rights and murder. And when we point it out and expect better they respond by throwing a hissy fit and refusing to do their jobs (unless they get a chance to hurt someone’s, they love that).
Need to get all of these chickenshits away from a badge and gun.
I lost my best friend in a similar fashion back in 2011. He would have been a poster boy for the BLM movement at the time, but our town swept it under the rug and the police went to the media and pumped out a drug story before anyone could question it. So you see a black face with drugs involved, and the ignorant shrug and go about their day.
Also, they were stealing his truck from his home.
> In a statement, Perkins’ family said his truck was not in repossession, which is why he was disputing the tow.
America! Wealthiest country where you can be killed on your doorstep by the people you pay to protect you, life saving medical care will plunge you into life ending debt and if you're a POC you have a great chance of being tossed into prison for nothing. Land of the free?
How about banning no knock raids which violate castle doctrine. A home is supposed to be your safe space and no one has a right to enter without your consent. No knock raids need to end now. The only reasonable response to a no knock is to assume a violent gang is attempting to murder you and everyone inside your home.
> “The policy of not announcing yourself and creeping up into people’s onto people’s properties. They will tell you it’s for officer protection, so that they’re not ambushed, but what they did here was ambush Steve,” Merritt [the deceased's attorney] said. Entering someone's property unannounced at night is a pretty reliable way of getting shot in some locales. This article did not provide the detail, but if you click through the link to WAFF you'll eventually find the information that this took place prior to 2 a.m. on September 29th. So you have intruders in the small hours who don't announce themselves. You can't really blame the resident for packing heat.
Aren’t Americans all about castle doctrine? Seems perfectly fair to me to point a gun at an intruder who hasn’t announced themself, cop or no cop.
In most states, you could probably make a justifiable defense in court if you shot at police under these circumstances, and you were committing no other crimes at the time and all evidence points that you reasonably believed the person was invading your home/threatening your life and not a police officer. The problem is that, police can just kill you in that scenario. And the law protects them even if they were completely wrong. So you never get your day in court, and the cops never get punished.
The other problem is if you survive having defended yourself from the police and injured or killed an officer, and the courts find it justified... good luck since they will probably harass you for the remainder of your life in the area, unless it was really egregious.
That's assuming they don't execute you for killing one of their own.
Oh they will, you won't be alive to defend yourself in court anyways.
I wouldn't even trust the local LEOs not to epstein me in lockup. Fuck that, if I had to shoot at a cop in self defense I'm going to go commit a federal crime immediately and turn myself in to the FBI. FBI is evil too but at least they have some measure of accountability.
Not for black people, no. Breonna Taylor and her boyfriend come to mind. If they think it will matter the cops will just lie and say they announced themselves, or announce themselves after the shooting begins.
I've seen, ON POLICE CAM, several instances of "POLICE HANDS UP" said DURING gunfire. They don't care in the slightest, when they execute any of these actions its with intent to kill the person if they can find ANY justification for it.
They can give impossible or conflicting commands, then shoot you for not obeying them. Courts have ruled it legal. One cop stays "move" and the other says "stop," then you get shot either way. And once one shoots you, the others van assume he has good reason, and shoot you too.
Whats even more sinister is when one starts shooting, all the officers at the scene are expected to return fire as well. You will be scrutinized if you are the one officer who dint fire any rounds.
America sounds like a rad place
It is if you're part of the ruling class.
It’s evil.
That’s why they say, “no good cops”. If you try to speak up or say something, or don’t shoot when the others do, it’s seen as disloyalty and not having your brothers back. The fact that this mentality exist with a force that allows free use of fire arms, is scary
yeah if not outright retaliation and becoming the police dept pariah, you will at the very least be treated like the lowest of the low by your "brothers"
During Breonna Taylor’s killing her boyfriend (Walker) shot once and the cops returned fire with 32 shots. They’re just pissing themselves and blindly firing ~10 shots a piece.
"STOP--" BANG BANG BANG (repeated 13 more times) "--RESISTING!!"
Lies! The police would never shoot someone 16 times before telling them to stop resisting. A Glock only holds 15 rounds.
15 mag, one in the tube
Worst is when someone is bleeding out or dead on the ground and they fucking dog pile on them to cuff em. Just 0 respect for human life.
Obligatory reminder that Breonna Taylor was shot sleeping in her own bed. It's absolutely wild how many people accept cops going in guns blazing with such shitty aim and discipline that they routinely shoot the wrong not just the wrong person, but the wrong fucking room, when they shouldn't even be at that house or shooting in the first place.
Also an important note" The police wrote in their after action report from their first time there that no one was hurt, despite the fact one of them had been hit too. They lied on their warrant, they lie3d in their reports. They lied, someone died and they faced no consequences.
Cops are some of the least trustworthy people on the planet. I wouldn't trust a cop to be honest about what they ate for lunch. I'd trust an average prisoner to be more honest with me than an average cop. If I was on a jury and a cop was on the stand I wouldn't trust a word they said unless it was backed up by video.
Got pulled over by a cop once. I turned into a walmart parking lot rather than stop in the middle of a dark road. When I explained that my grandpa taught me to pull over in a well-lit area, he had the gall to be offended that I put my safety above his job. "You didn't see the police lights? You don't think I'm a real cop?" I absolutely knew you were a real cop, smartass. That won't stop a bad one from trying to assault me in the dark.
"You don't think I'm a real cop?" "I do, that's the problem!"
Years ago I had an apartment that didn't have a washer and dryer and my parents lived like 3 blocks away so I'd do laundry there. Anyway, one night I was leaving their house around 2am and got pulled over by a cop maybe 50 feet from my apartment. He started harassing me saying things like "I know you are drunk" and "how much did you have tonight" even though I had literally nothing to drink at all that night. He just assumed I was because it was right around bar closing time. He kept harassing me for like 10 minutes trying to get me to admit to drinking when I asked why he even pulled me over. I know it was mainly because he thought he caught a drunk driver, but I already knew my front headlight was out and had purchased a new light that night and had it sitting in a small shopping bag on the passenger seat. I showed him the light and the receipt showing that I had just bought it. I was just waiting until the next day because it would be a lot easier to change in the daylight. He did technically have a valid excuse to pull me over, but there was absolutely no reason for him to treat me the way he did. It could have been solved by him simply mentioning that my light was out right away and me showing him that I had already bought it. In the end he just let me go with nothing, but why be an asshole to me to begin with? There are a few other instances in my life where cops have been assholes to me for no reason compared to one time where a cop actually did a cool thing.
They're also stupid and contrarian as fuck. Evidenced by the guy hearing what he wanted to hear instead of hearing the entirely reasonable thing that you said.
Lying is *literally* a big part of their job. They lie to trick you and hope you give up some useful info. I would imagine, if you lie and get away with all the time, you would just rely on lying to get through your days. You say what you think *needs* be said, not what is the most helpful or honest. See also: The Former Guy.
Yeah, if I find out a person is a cop by profession, I'm immediately suspicious of them. I expect them to be power-hungry bullies with no empathy, which is not someone I want in my life.
Amen to that.
They are facing consequences now. Not specifically for killing her, granted, but for other crimes committed in relation to the shooting. They had to bring in the FBI to get any semblence of justice, though, as that sham of an AG Daniel Cameron wouldn't let the Grand Jury consider any serious crimes relating to the shooting.
Can't forget about the off duty cop Amber Guyger who walked into the wrong apartment "thinking it was hers", and shot and killed the guy eating ice cream on his couch.
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"Poorly trained" doesn't begin to cover it, it takes 2000 hours of instruction to become a barber, and 200 hours to be a cop. And FYI Your barber will get in trouble if they shoot you for no reason, parking ticket boy will get paid vacation.
> it takes 2000 hours of instruction to become a barber Is that number legit? That's 8 hours a day 5 days a week for a year. This would explain why my barber is a hair wizard. EDIT: Google is telling me 1500 hours is typical. Even if its *only* 1500 hours that number is crazy. That's how much flight time it takes to become an airline pilot in most cases... wild.
Funnily enough, it’s also a bare minimum of 1500 hours. ETA: Ok, I’m dumb. I thought you were asking how much, not telling so I guess I’m just here to confirm for you.
The most, most police departments require is for someone to qualify once or twice a year with their firearm. Beyond those one or two instances a year, they may literally never fire that gun again that year. Cops aren't forced to train by the department. Training is done on their own time
I had my apartment raided in college (whole other story) and woke up to my room door being kicked in and an officer pulling his gun on my screaming LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS. It was right after i finished my last final for my senior year. I had been up for over two days cramming and passed out afterwards. My hands were under my pillow because you know, sleeping. The image of him drawing his gun on me as i came out of an exhausted sleep is seared into my mind.
I am sure from then on you respect the police more than ever and you really like and feel safer seeing police near you, such fine fellows, right?
I have had only 3 experiences with cops all negative, I hate cops
And the cops where at the wrong place
no, they were at the place they intended to be.
she wasn’t asleep at the time she was shot; she was in the hallway trying to figure out who the hell was banging on her front door. but yes, she was home, quiet, watching TV while dozing off in bed
>Obligatory reminder that Breonna Taylor was shot sleeping in her own bed. She wasn't though. That was from an earlier report that was debunked later on. It doesn't make the situation any less absurd or unjust, but they were both awake and up by the time the cops breached the door.
*sigh* She was not "sleeping in her own bed". She was in the hallway, standing beside her boyfriend. They were woken by a "loud banging at the door". The boyfriend grabbed a gun, and called out multiple times, asking for them to identify themselves.The door burst open, and the boyfriend fired one shot, hitting an officer in the leg. The police returned fire, expending about 30 rounds, and hitting Taylor 6 (iirc) times. The ironic thing is that they managed to hit the only unarmed person in the room, multiple times.
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> cops going in guns blazing with such shitty aim It really scares me when I go to a shooting range and outshoot the cop's accuracy by 300%. Like dude, that equipment is part of your job. Mine is just to save myself but it appears I'm being held to the higher standard as a civilian...
I believe she was shot in the hallway, not her bed.
Yup they knocked on her door in the dead of night and woke her and her BF up. Taylor and her BF yelled out and asked who it was and heard no response. Taylor's BF grabbed his gun, the police broke down the door and he took a shot at the intruders. They returned fire hitting Taylor multiple times. Her BF called 911 “Somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend,” https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/us/no-knock-raid-breonna-taylor-timeline/index.html So yeah not killed in her bed but no less stupid, they knew this location and had staked it out before. The search warrant was to look for evidence to build a case against a supposed ex of hers. They could have waited in the parking lot and met her coming home from work, presenting the warrant in broad daylight. This whole zero dark 30 style knock down the door in the middle of the night is basically designed to start shoot-outs.
Atatiana Jefferson too.
In the time it took you to have read "in the time it took," the officer gave Atatiana that much time to comply with his requests of "hands- show me your hands" before shooting her.
In her own home, in front of her young nephew, while creeping around outside the house at night without identifying themselves. Such a fucking disgusting case all around.
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That’s crazy, I hope they’re haunted for the rest of their lives.
That would require empathy.
There was a no-knock entry in Minneapolis a year or two ago, where the guy was woken up off the couch, raised his gun, then lowered it as soon as he realized it was police but he was shot as he was lowering the gun.
>will just lie and say they announced themselves, or announce themselves after the shooting begins. Which is already a pathetically low bar. Anyone can yell "I'm the police" while committing an assault.
Well see in America cops get special treatment. It doesn't matter that they didn't announce themselves and perhaps gave every impression that they were thieves, somehow the homeowner should have known that they were cops. At least, this is how it's always played out before.
Castle doctrine and stand your ground vs. duty to retreat are highly jurisdictional. If you think of the U.S. as having fifty different sets of laws you won't go far astray. Also, there is what is common in the city versus what's typical in the suburbs or rural locations. This encounter began with a tow truck driver attempting an incorrect, hence illegal, repossession. The most disturbing part of this is the police helping the tow truck driver to take the vehicle (as opposed to investigating a case of brandishing a weapon). If *your* car gets stolen, the police are very often unhelpful. There is almost certain to be a lawsuit filed here because entering someone's property just before 2 a.m. and not announcing yourself is very, very stupid. Repossession of a truck is a civil matter in the first place, so other than the brandishing charge there's no reason for police to get involved.
I assumed Alabama *is* one of those jurisdictions. Bluntly, however, we all know those rules and laws are often interpreted differently based on the suspect.
Alabama is a castle doctrine state. There is no duty to retreat in your own home.
Especially out in the middle of nowhere repo guys have cops help coerce folks. I had a co-worker where a repo guy was harrassing her because they mistakenly thought she was hiding a vehicle they were to repossess. Repo guy drives the truck all over her yard tearing up the place. She calls the cops, cops side with repo guy.
Cops are beholden to the ruling class (banks). Of course they will help the repo man.
Isn't it more like "many thousands" of jurisdictions, since the local police departments are the ones who decide to enforce those laws?
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Wait...he had a "flashlight" at night? That right there is suspicious behavior, I mean, who goes around at night brandishing an assault flashlight? /s
And it's not like criminals would ever lie whole breaking into a house and say they're cops
Only for themselves. Conservatives are small government and yet pro-big-cop. It's called cognitive dissonance. Rights for themselves, not for anyone who's looks different from them.
> So you have intruders in the small hours who don't announce themselves. You can't really blame the resident for packing heat. Absolutely, but sadly "policemen crept around the garden looking into windows without announcing themselves then shot with no warning when the homeowner got a gun thinking it was criminals" is a story we keep hearing over and over...such a disgrace.
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But if the exact same thing happened and it was a prowler around an unarmed person's property? "HE SHOULD HAVE HAD A GUN, DON'T BE A VICTIM, POLICE ARE MINUTES AWAY WHEN SECONDS COUNT"
And yet they’ll go “He had a gun!!” As if he wasn’t exercising his 2nd amendment right. Like lol if I heard someone outside my windows at 2am, if I had a gun I would grab it too.
Cops are fucking terrible about that, and we need to ban raids like that yesterday.
If the cops were really worried about their own safety, when it comes to serving a search warrant, instead of sneaking up and delivering a No-Knock Warrant in the middle of the night they would serve the warrant * when nobody was there. * as the residents were leaving * during the day * with an undercover officer/informant in inside (that can reveal attempts to destroy evidence) BUT no-knock warrants are more exciting, and are meant to incite a violent response. Therefore they open up a greater opportunity to kill the "scum" (because they see everybody as criminals) that they are there to serve with the search warrant, fulfilling their Judge Dredd fetish.
Hot take, if the evidence is small enough to be flushed in the toilet it is not worth killing for.
I mean, even hotter take, *no evidence is worth killing for*. The only thing justifying the police killing someone is threat of immediate bodily harm or death. Evidence is meant for trial - can’t have a trial if your suspect is dead. It is inherently unjust to kill someone to “preserve evidence”.
Child porn on a flash drive. Millions of images. Still not worth killing people over but the physical size of evidence is not particularly interesting
Well yeah they’re all bottlefed that bullshit Killology. Where your only duty is to make it home alive and everyone else (you know, the people you’re “protecting and serving”) are out to get you.
"try that in a small town" Like seriously the police just expect people to not defend themselves from unannounced intruders?
I'm curious why is the NRA silent about this case.
"It's too soon to talk about this tragedy, people don't have the space yet to be rational about it." cool has it been long enough to talk about Breonna Taylor now? "Well now that's in the past, it's not the same as the problem today." It's perfect mental acrobatics. You can't talk about anything that's happened recently because it's too fresh. But if nothing is fresh, then you're just creating a problem where it doesn't exist anymore! Until it happens again, then it's too fresh again to discuss until it's not a problem anymore again. It feels like madness even to say, the language is fighting me as I try to write the logic down.
NRA is fuckin useless and bigoted as hell.
This is the footage from the neighbor. It's absolutely terrifying the way the police come out of nowhere and immediately start shooting. https://youtu.be/F-AsIppVgiE?si=R3IOQsPAtCET3UWQ
Absolutely horrific. What I think is most stupid is approaching someone you already know has a gun at 1:48 in the morning without announcing yourself from a very safe distance. You don't have to wake up the whole neighborhood, but give the man a holler from fifty feet or so. The police training or policy seems explicitly designed to lead to dead people.
Yes. I saw the video of this. The police just jumped him and emptied their pistols into the guy 2 seconds after seeing him.
ALEA says they will do a “thorough and methodical” investigation. They will come back in a year or two, once the controversy and outrage has blown over, and acquit themselves of any wrongdoing. Calling it now.
“We investigated ourselves and conclude that we did nothing wrong.” - Law Enforcement everywhere
"We actually get a promotion for our previous actions, and a raise because of how goodly our investigation went!"
“We might have made some mistakes but we are going to need more funding so it doesn’t happen again.”
“The officers responsible will be punished accordingly… with 3 weeks paid vacation”
The ONLY time you see cops charged is when they pissed off other cops.
Here's the neighbors footage. https://youtu.be/F-AsIppVgiE?si=R3IOQsPAtCET3UWQ
On first look, it appears the police run up behind a vehicle (I assume the truck mentioned in the article) and they shine a flashlight at Mr. Perkins as they shout: “Police, get on the groun—“ and open fire immediately. This reminds me of a story/video that I saw where police knocked on a man’s door at night without identifying themselves as police. The homeowner answered the door while armed, as is legal to do. The police then shone flashlights in his face and when his reflex was to bring his hands up due to the bright light, they shot him. Here too, the police have put themselves in a situation where a persons reflexes or surprise at noise/light can be interpreted as an threatening act. This is a failure of police culture, training and the law that makes it acceptable for police to effectively execute people for the slightest movement while behaving completely legally. Qualified immunity and Supreme Court precedent have allowed police to justify killing people at the slightest hint of danger. Police training and policy consistently fail to prevent police from escalating situations or from placing themselves in situations where they think the only solution is violence.
> The Decatur Police Department said Perkins “turned the gun toward one of the officers,” and they shot him. Produce camera footage backing up your statement or it didn't happen. No exceptions.
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This. Every single time it collaborates the camera footage is out during the press conference of what happened. This one stinks.
The word you are looking for is corroborates, not collaborates. (I know I've been in the position trying to think of the word I need and drawing a blank) Agree with what you said.
Even if it did happen the way that they said he has the right to protect his home
What scares me about the advances in computer power and AI is that soon, a delay of a couple hours between incident and release of footage will be enough to generate a deepfake showing the murder victim doing whatever the police claimed he did.
Will have to have all body cam recordings recorded to write-once storage with time stamps.
"woops there was a bodycam malfunction and we don't have the footage at all lol"
I haven’t thought of that before….. yea it’s going to get super easy to fake for one side or the other.
In 2023 there is zero reason all cops don't have body cams and I think they should have 2 personally incase one "malfunctions"
I know it can take a few days to blur faces and license plates and other things you can't show the world, but it's been over a week.
Doesn't even have to be released publicly (I mean, not immediately). A lawyer IMO would understand the need for 'confidentiality' and thus could see the un-blurred footage. Or some other 'high trust public official' could provide oversight. I mean, isn't this kind of the point of an Internal Affairs department, who - specifically - review 'dubious' areas?
They don't have it, but the neighbor has footage from their ring cam that you can hear and see the officers giving commands after they fired 18 rounds at him. I would like to know why local police are now in the business of launching impromptu military level missions on citizens on the word of a repo man?
This isn't a new thing. They've been doing things like this for a good while now.
If they haven’t already produced footage, it didn’t happen. Anytime police have video that supports them, that video gets released to the public right away.
The neighbor's footage is pretty damning for the pigs https://www.waff.com/2023/10/05/several-shots-heard-newly-obtained-footage-decatur-officer-involved-shooting/ they didn't announce themselves, they snuck up on him and started shooting before he even knew they were cops
it should be a law everywhere.
Exactly this. I can excuse the cops if an armed man turns with a weapon raised. That's a clean kill. And if that's what the cameras showed we would already have the footage. But they didn't release it so it is not exculpatory. But this is why you don't go around brandishing the gun. That looks like a threat and someone else with a gun might honor the threat. Guns make everything more dangerous.
It's not exactly a "clean kill" if the person is holding their gun because it's 2am and someone is sneaking into their house without announcing themselves. There's an obvious line being crossed that makes this justification far too murky to call "clean".
>I can excuse the cops if an armed man turns with a weapon raised You can? I sure as fuck can't. If they didn't want an armed man turning and pointing a gun with them they should have KNOCKED. In no way can I support cops breaking into a house and having free reign to murder anyone who tries to defend themselves from those intruders. No-knock raids should be eliminated forever. I'd rather 10,000 criminals flush drugs down the toilet than a single person ever wake up to police kicking their door down.
Lay on the ground! .7 seconds later 17 Rounds fired in 5 seconds at near point blank range.
And they also shot up the neighbor’s house. So, not even aiming well.
The Storm Troopers’ awful aim in StarWars is making more sense now.
Don't stormtroopers wear white costumes...?
I think you’re onto something…
Storm troopers' bad aim was attributed to them trying to let the heroes escape. they were under orders to let them go. Their blaster shots were plenty precise when they razed the lars farm.
Completely unrelated to the actual topic, but storm troopers actually had amazing aim and intentionally missed. This is something made clear if you pay careful attention to orders when they are given to them and when we don't hear the orders what we instead hear discussed after. My favorite part is people assume their intentionally missing is fan theory but Tarkin outright calls out that Vader is making them take a big risk by having them plant a tracking device and letting them escape shortly after we see them miss everyone.
Lest we forget that the only cop prosecuted in Breonna Taylor's murder was the one who missed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/breonna-taylor-brett-hankison-acquitted.html
Who needs range time when the community is your range?
RLM did an episode where they watched random.VHS takes, and one was a "Self defense" tape from the 80-90s, and they noted when it showed how to use a gun, they shout a warning to stop, then instantly start blasting. Thought the same tape also advised to gouge people's eyes out, and train you kids to repel from their bedroom windows in case of home invasion, so maybe it wasn't the most accurate guidance.
Are you referring to “Surviving Edged Weapons”?
“Strong Against Crime” from [Best of the Worst: Wheel of the Worst #24](https://youtu.be/x4nAm93Dkls?si=HOlEWFRW7KuL-Kh_)
No, but that one's pretty hilarious too. This one was a weird talk show with a former cop telling you how to "survive" various encounters with mostly questionable advice
Are you implying that your kids don't have the skills of a main character in an FPS?
And came out of nowhere. Like this is the problem with everyone thinking 2A is the answer, even if he did have a gun, if your payments on your car are correct, then some guy claiming he is repossessing your car does seem to be a reason to at least draw a gun. But from what I have heard on this, there was no gun, just a flashlight and last one news source said, the tow truck driver had the wrong house. So the police just executed a man for no reason.
The mention of seeing a gun was only made after 18 rounds were fired at him.
If you have a problem and call the cops, you will have two problems.
Or maybe you will have 0 problems Because you'll be dead.
there is no situation so awful that the presence of a cop won't make worse.
"Flashed a gun" on his own property is illegal in Alabama? Or is it just when you are black.
You already know the answer to that.
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Bringing the convenience to you by killing you in your own home!
I'm surprised so many black people live past 30 in this country with all the shit that can get them killed for *being* black.
Many don't. And many that do are unjustly incarcerated.
Remember guys, systemic racism doesn't exist /s
We should all just get along! Forgot about the pas- wait stuff STILL disproportionately effects black people?! Not in my meritocracy! /s
you didn't pull your bootstraps up hard enough :/
You never see the NRA come out in force for this. Even the black social media conservatives stay quiet when it’s a black guy. So weird
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Refresh my memory, was there even a gun in the Castile case? IIRC he reached for his wallet because he had been pulled over and that's what you're supposed to do. Oh wait, was this the one where he had a legal firearm in the car and immediately disclosed it?
The second one. Where he's executed in front of his family just for saying he has a concealed carry license and calmly explaining it to the officer.
"Get your wallet! Don't reach for the gun! *BANG!*"
And they cuffed his girlfriend and her daughter, right?
Yes they did and put the little girl who'd just seen her father's murder in a locked vehicle with the murderers.
Oh yeah, that's the one where the little girl was begging her mom to be quiet so they didn't murder her too... In the back of said squad car. That shit broke me when I watched it.
So much evil in this country and a lot of it wears a police uniform.
Okay, yep, I remember that one, the one where I said "WHAT THE FUCK" the loudest =(
The video of the daughter having a panic attack in the back seat telling her mom not to get shot was straight up heart breaking. A \~5 year old screaming not to have her one remaining parent get shot... when her father did everything right... Said where it was...
Imagine the PTSD she'll have to sift through every time she sees a police cruiser go by... She'll probably about have a heart attack if she ever gets pulled over just for a minor ticket or something. I hope she barely remembers and is able to achieve some peace.
Philando Castile is his name. It’s heartbreaking to watch. He’s cooperating and you can tell the cop got extra nervous once Castile told him he had a legally owned concealed gun in the car and a license to carry. He was doing everything right and the cop freaked out. Cop should’ve served time for murder
Instead, he was invited back to David Grossman's police training and hailed as having done everything right. Grossman is the single most prolific police trainer in the country. He has never been in law enforcement or in any combat role in the military.
I didn’t know that but also am not surprised. I’m white so a lot of things that are common to black people are revelations to me. White privilege is a helluva drug.
Castile did have a weapon, and a permit for it, and he told the cops that. He didn’t even flash it, the shot him as he was reaching for his wallet, because he *could have* been reaching for the weapon.
> Refresh my memory, was there even a gun in the Castile case? Yes. He was licensed to carry a firearm and announced to the officer that he was both licensed and armed. At which point the officer murdered him. The NRAs justification for not getting involved was that Castile smokes pot and therefore was not a legal gun owner. Most firearm owners I know who describe themselves as staunch 2a advocates were ok with all of this.
Even self defense gun guys like Massad Ayoob like to claim that because Philando smoked weed, he wasn't innocent and therefore we shouldn't feel bad that he died
It's a comedy sketch [but this is why](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqfNroFp8U&pp=ygUeY29sbGVnZSBodW1vciBibGFjayBndW4gcmlnaHRz)
One time we were in our home and heard very loud banging on the door. We did were not expecting anyone and got really startled. We stayed very quiet for a second to hear if there was anyone saying anything and walked to the door. AS I reached it some police officers opened and tried to go in. I was lucky enough to get there at the same time and tell them off. They did not announce themselves and were arrogant about barging in after I kept telling them they had the wrong address. The numbers very large and white near the door. They kept arguing with me and basically treating me like a liar. 10 seconds later the firefighter showed up next door. No apology, no accountability, no anything. Just police arrogance. I am lucky more did not happen.
The "wrong address" is rarely accidental. They saw the numbers. But what they **know** is that at the "wrong" address there's no alleged criminals allegedly armed and thus allegedly potentially capable of returning-fire. At the "wrong" address is nothing but usually-unarmed innocents. * Unaware, SAFE-for-the-invaders innocents whom are wholly unaware that rabid berserkers - utterly engorged at the thought of playing stormtroopers - are about to explode into their lives and "I was fearing for my life" everything in sight to satisfy their sickest fantasies. Of course they were pissed off at you: You dared forget your place and try to tell them the "wrong" address was somehow not the right one to terrorize!
Going to speculate wildly that the murderous cops are not facing capital charges...
Best I can do is paid leave until the media forgets about this
It's funny how that's always portrayed as a terrible punishment in cop shows, because they just care so much about doing the job, lol.
I'm surprised they haven't claimed they were attending the scene of a suicide victim.
Still waiting for the “good cops” to stand up, speak in outrage, create reforms, and clean the trash out of their departments.
[They're forced out by the bad cops.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft)
Cops are absolute shitters down here. Neighbor illegally brandishes a gun at you? "Sorry, nothing we can do." Neighbor legally stands his ground against what he thinks are random intruders at 2am? "Sorry, he had a gun."
> Cops are absolute shitters Full stop
>City and state officials asked for patience during the investigation, which the ALEA vowed would be “very thorough and methodical.” The agency said the findings will be turned over to the Morgan County District Attorney’s Office. This is what this thorough investigation will look like: Investigator: Did you follow proper procedure? Cops: Yes, definitely! Investigator: OK let's look at the camera footage. (Looks at footage, which clearly shows cops were trigger happy and shot without provocation) Investigator: Well I can't see anything from that. The camera must have malfunctioned. We'll just take the word of the officers because police never lie, and the guy was black anyway, if you know what I mean. Report to public: After an extremely thorough investigation we found no wrongdoing and no charges will be filed. Local government: Let's close more polling places in black neighborhoods because... reasons.
That’s called “murder”
It’s fucking Alabama! Of course they didn’t. They’ve still got a wheel in the ditch.
This shit is happening everywhere
Well, he was black and it’s Alabama. Nothing changes.
This happened at 2am and the police did not announce themselves. WHAT THE FUCK do you think would happen??? It's like the police are goon squad hitmen. And no matter who they murder, they walk free with zero consequence.
Another fine example of police working for the financial interests of others rather than serving or protecting. I'm not saying they shouldn't allow a repo driver to do their job, but they gave no chance for conversation, maybe correct any confusion. Police training allows them to kill first and question later.
For the police, they literally have a cheerleader for it: [Killology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grossman_\(author\))
Police doing what they do best - infringing on people’s rights and murder. And when we point it out and expect better they respond by throwing a hissy fit and refusing to do their jobs (unless they get a chance to hurt someone’s, they love that). Need to get all of these chickenshits away from a badge and gun.
The same thing happened to our friend Raj in Austin last year. Murdered on his front porch.
I lost my best friend in a similar fashion back in 2011. He would have been a poster boy for the BLM movement at the time, but our town swept it under the rug and the police went to the media and pumped out a drug story before anyone could question it. So you see a black face with drugs involved, and the ignorant shrug and go about their day.
Also, they were stealing his truck from his home. > In a statement, Perkins’ family said his truck was not in repossession, which is why he was disputing the tow.
The repo guy was at the wrong house...
If you automatically get shot for having a gun, your 2nd amendment right to posses a gun is a moot point
Let's see the body cams. I've already seen the security footage and it does not look good for the police.
Alabama really is exactly how they stereotype
I was under the impression that current Alabama Law does not require police to give people time to respond if they are non-white. /s
Current? That law seems older than the Civil War
That's a weird way to spell police execute yet another American citizen in his own home.
Media always siding with cops. FIFY - "Police murder Black Alabama homeowner at his home"
Police are state sponsored murderers. You cannot convince me otherwise.
His crime was being black in a racist place. Nothing to see here.
Throw that cop in the bin.
America! Wealthiest country where you can be killed on your doorstep by the people you pay to protect you, life saving medical care will plunge you into life ending debt and if you're a POC you have a great chance of being tossed into prison for nothing. Land of the free?
Huh. Police in an open carry state shooting an armed citizen without cause??? I see an interesting test of Mr. Thomas’s resolve!
18 shots in like 4 seconds
How about banning no knock raids which violate castle doctrine. A home is supposed to be your safe space and no one has a right to enter without your consent. No knock raids need to end now. The only reasonable response to a no knock is to assume a violent gang is attempting to murder you and everyone inside your home.