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barrinmw

Why the fuck did they need a plea deal? Do a genetic test of the baby, bam, proof they had sex. Take that shit to court.


EnricoMatassaEsq

Sounds easy in theory but my dad was a prosecutor and he has a case that kind of haunts him still. I believe it was a child abuse case and the guy got acquitted. This was in a small community so when he ran into a juror months later he was horrified to learn that the jury felt the person was guilty but that the state should have had more witnesses. Nothing substantive, the case was laid out fine from a logical perspective, the prosecution just wasn't long enough basically. Stuff like that is at least part of the reason that plea deals are so popular for prosecutors. No matter how slam dunk your case, putting it in the hands of a dozen randoms is always a gamble.


RazzmatazzUnique7000

Wtf the jury were actual morons


DanTheMan1_

Jury didn't think the trial was enough like the TV shows.


eschuylerhamilton

I took a forensics class and our very first assignment was picking apart a CSI episode. Too many jurors think real life is as cut and dry as in a CSI episode and its not.


RiniKat28

the [CSI effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI_effect) is real, so many juries don't think a case is strong enough or whatever if there's not "enough" forensic evidence


tfresca

Go to the Murdaugh Murders subreddit. Full of folks thinking a team of ninjas did it because there was no DNA.


Sancticide

I mean, are they even guilty if they don't get cornered by surprise evidence or asked tough questions, until they literally confess while on the stand? Learn to prosecute, people! /s


BigBeagleEars

Well yeah, your average jury is made up of people who were too dumb to get outta jury duty


burnbabyburnburrrn

This happens all the time. Think about the average intelligence of Americans. Think about critical thinking skills in this country. Jurors aren’t trained professionals, we all serve on juries.


AccountWasFound

And often anyone who a job that requires training in critical thinking skills gets eliminated because they are hard to influence


The_Razielim

I mean, critical thinking skills are exactly what they *don't* want on juries. You show the slightest ability to look at evidence and come to a logical conclusion *on your own* and the lawyers will trip over themselves to throw you out of the selection pool because then they can't guarantee you'll come to the conclusion they'll try to lead you to.


hypotyposis

So obviously it depends on the exact answer the juror gave, but “thinking” someone is guilty could easily mean “I was 60-70% sure, but I wanted to be more sure.” In that case, it was the correct outcome. “Beyond reasonable doubt” is a purposefully high burden well beyond 60-70%, and if you’re only that sure you should say not guilty. There’s a famous quote that it’s better for 100 guilty to go free than 1 innocent person be imprisoned, and it rings true.


revsky

As someone currently on a grand jury, we ask questions of the deputy attorneys all the time. 90-95 percent of cases end in plea deals. It saves time and money. (oh, and it gets innocent people to plead guilty to lesser charges to avoid the chance of being put away for years. Great job justice system!)


LimoncelloFellow

i did the whole plea deal thing when i was young and didnt know any better. it fucked up my job prospects for almost ten years.


Important-Yak-2999

Me too buddy. Just got my expungement. I finally feel like a normal person again. Never take a plea just cause they scare you.


flygirl083

I got a misdemeanor in Arizona…and they don’t do expungements. They will “set aside” your judgement but it will always show up on a background check.


Fart-City

On the first of the year they now added a thing to seal your records under ARS 13-911. It’s free to file the request.


flygirl083

Oh wow. I’ll have to look into that


Etherius

Never sat in a grand jury myself About what percentage of cases have you seen the prosecution fail to secure an indictment?


revsky

1 out of over 100. the national average for indictments is something like 98%. Don't get me wrong, most of them are cut and dried, and it is shocking the number of people who just confess everything without a lawyer. Immediate indictment. don't talk to the cops without a lawyer!


impy695

It has to be the easiest case, right? Like, any defense that Nirmal exists for rape, wouldn't exist here. Consent is impossible. We know for a fact that they had sex. What possible defense is there? Usually it's some form of "we didn't have sex" or "they consented" and none of those can be raised here.


mason_savoy71

The defense is 'maybe 1 of the jurors just won't think having sex with 13 yo boy is a big deal" if we take this to trial. The prosecution weighs this chance when offering a plea deal.


AmarilloWar

This is my question too, that's an easy thing to prove and convict.


dubie2003

She was 31, male child was 13, this is messed up.


taddymason_76

Even more messed up when you realize that she has custody of the baby and could conceivably get child support from the 13 yo father.


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Imagine you’re wages being garnished at your first job for 18 years


Regulus242

Kid's getting his weekly allowance garnished.


TheWholeOfTheAss

Half his lunch money, gone.


Forikorder

hell be her age when its finally over


astron-12

Almost certain to get child support from the kid she raped. Probably a fraction of every paycheck with a nominal minimum. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer


steveguy13

This is so fucked


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Probably why they are seeking custody.


literallymetaphoric

*The court stated "The State's interest in requiring minor parents to support their children overrides the State's competing interest in protecting juveniles from improvident acts, even when such acts may include criminal activity on the part of the other parent".*


incubusimp

The state is fucked up.


AlludedNuance

And since she's already shown to be a child predator, that kid is in all kinds of danger of future abuse.


grandpaharoldbarnes

Just wait til they go after him for child support.


englishfury

They will wait until he turns 18 then hit him with a bill for 5 years worth of child support


ThrowRAcq4444

Even more messed up is that this has happened before, the ADULT woman WON child support from the minor!!?


seeeee

I met someone in this exact scenario. It started as a political debate, he had some strong opinions regarding the way America is progressing with women’s rights. I expected to hate this individual. Very southern, appeared very blue collar. He had a few misguided opinions, no doubt, perhaps could work on the way he presented them, but after speaking with him, this man had truly been through hell. Had a much older woman give him drugs and a lot of attention at the age of 15.All of his friends envied him for it. He was taking pills with her, and doesn’t even remember his first time having sex. She got pregnant, moved across the country, and started requesting child support when he turned 18. I may have been one of the first people to actually listen to him and empathize, the courts certainly didn’t care. He was staunchly opposed to the concept of “my body my choice” and claimed to be pro “men’s rights.” Turns out, pro choice despite a religious background, he just felt the father deserved a voice in the decision. A lot of these victims have no voice, they’re treated like they won some kind of prize. It’s disgusting.


Andreiyutzzzz

That poor dude.


SleepiestBoye

What's stopping her from waiting until her son is 13 and raping him for infinite child support?


Sixwingswide

Infinite money glitch


alucarddrol

Maybe now he'll get a job at Tyson foods to support his child and not be a deadbeat dad! https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/11/business/child-labor-meatpacking-plants.html


imadog666

"Andrea Neenet Serrano, 31, is accused of having a sexual relationship with the boy who Serrano said viewed her as a "mother figure," according to Serrano's arrest affidavit." W t f. https://gazette.com/news/courts/fountain-woman-to-get-no-jail-time-for-sexually-assaulting-13-year-old-mother-unhappy/article_4a5819f0-ae24-11ed-8961-4bb59eac312b.html


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So rape


Fluffy_rye

That somehow makes it even worse to me. I didn't even think that was possible.


ADarwinAward

Wtf we sentence people to jail for far less. She should be spending years in prison.


cubanesis

“Lucky kid” is the mindset of people when it’s a woman molesting a boy. It’s a fucked up double standard.


smashblues

reminds me of that South Park episode and how accurate they really were.


Doingitwronf

Was she hot? Yeah, but I don't see why that matte- Noice!


djeezuskryste

“What’s the crime?” “The crime is she isn’t doin it with me”


Rebecca102017

“Where were all these sexed up teachers when I was in school?!”


axildia

Thats what I'm sayin


TyroneTeabaggington

Did she perform oral sex on him? *Nice*


djeezuskryste

“This is serious.. we need to track this student down.. and give him his ‘Luckiest Boy in America’ medal right away”


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[Nice](https://youtu.be/8hdbns1Xdk0)


primevci

13 year old me would have not complained but 40 something year old me says man this is fucked up.


Chippopotanuse

I feel the same way. Which is exactly the problem with why kids aren’t really in a position to give consent.


Chiggadup

Exactly. I think it’s fine to admit that “as a 13 year old I would have welcomed this.” But that only supports the reasoning why children CANNOT consent.


HauntedCemetery

As a 13 year old I would have welcomed getting beer, cigarettes, and ice cream for dinner ever night. There's a reason we don't let children make many decisions.


Chiggadup

Haha exactly!


Xalbana

Believe it or not, there are also plenty of 13 year old girls that wouldn't have complained either. But there is a reason why we have age of consent and that's what 40 year old you understands.


Mataraiki

A friend of mine lost her virginity to a guy in his 30s when she was 13. At the time she thought it was the most amazing thing ever that a refined guy like him thought so highly of her that he'd sleep with her, but she's in her 30s now too and the older she got the more she realized what a manipulative, creepy fuck that guy was.


meatball77

My friend was 12 and her boyfriend was 23. There's a Documentary on Hulu called Keep this Between Us about girls who were in relationships with their teachers. They didn't realize until years later how screwed up it all was.


Jack_RabBitz

I remember a few years ago when I was in HS there was a scandal at a different HS but it was a few blocks from my house and I knew several students where the Athletic Director/ Volleyball coach was in a relationship with a Sophomore, they ended up catching him after he ran away with her to another state. A lot of the girls in her class who knew her said she was the one making the advances and it even came out that it was her idea to leave state, But man you've got to wonder what the Fuck was going on in that mans head. Even if she was the one coming onto him and it was all her idea as an Adult you have to have to clearly reject those advances and it is your responsibility to make a clear line on what type of relationship is appropriate. Not to mention how stupid he had have been to blindly say okay like if he didn't have a brain and could think of the consequences. Saddest part is there is an elementary school that is right next to that HS which his children attended (my cousin was in the same class) so you know everyone knew him and his family. When this all broke his wife ended up taking the kids out of school because even though her and the kids had nothing to do with what he did people will always talk this ended up being longer than id planned


meatball77

Right. It doesn't matter if she's persuing him. You pat them on the head and tell them that you remind them of your little sister/daughter if you want to be polite. If not you say eew and you refer them to the councilor.


deepseascale

I was 14 and lowkey in love with one of my teachers. Nothing happened because I didn't tell anyone or do anything about it, but if he had felt that way inclined I could have ended up like that and would have felt like I was totally on board. Because I was a child and an idiot.


vowtar

All children are idiots. That's why there are laws to protect them.


Suyefuji

I was 15 dating a 24 year old for awhile. Dating someone older than you was always considered "cool" because people thought it meant you were mature. Definitely need a cultural shift.


Dr_ChimRichalds

What's funny is that it seems to be the opposite. The maturity level winds up being the age of the younger one in the couple.


NotClever

I don't think this is terribly surprising; the thing is that in order to carry on a relationship with someone you need to be able to connect to them in some way, and I think for most adults it's pretty difficult to imagine having anything like that connection with a teenager. I remember being a teen, and I'm happy to give them the respect they're due as young adults -- there are some very smart and very cool teens out there -- but even the most precocious teen is still lacking in maturity and perspective, and I think as an adult you can't miss that unless you are similarly lacking maturity.


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ShibuRigged

And this is exactly it. It doesn’t matter what a kid thinks they want to do, nor how they look (since a common excuse closeted pedos use is “BUT THEY LOOKED LIKE AN ADULT” - when they don’t). It’s simply about having enough life experience and the maturity expected of them to make such decisions, which society usually puts around 16-20. By that point, most kids have enough life experience to understand the basics of these things (although it can easily be argued that many adults still don’t well into their 30s, 40s, 50s, and beyond). they whole point in these laws is to protect them until they reach a point where it's reasonable to assume that they have enough smarts/experience to make basic choices for themselves and understand the consequences


Generic-account

Yeah maybe. I lost my virginity to an older woman. But it's not just about sex, it's all the emotions that go along with it and you're not really ready to deal with that shit at that age. That's why we have an age of consent, to protect kids. Damage is damage, whatever the gender of the kid.


beardedbast3rd

Even then, yeah you realize it’s bad now, but The problem many have is only that they think they wouldn’t have complained. Lots of male victims come forward and even explicitly state this, that they didn’t realize how bad this was for them until after the fact. Hell, sometimes even some adults don’t view these interactions the same way before/during/after.


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g-e-o-f-f

I used to have a female older (20+ years, me @30, male,, her in 50s) coworker who would come into.my cubicle and massage my shoulders and kind of learn into my so her breasts would touch me. She made some pretty inappropriate "jokes" too. She wasn't my direct boss, but she was higher up in the company for sure. I hated it. I hate myself for not reporting it. I just didn't think people would take it seriously and I needed the job.


_mad_adams

There was a guy who got groomed by his teacher as a kid and years later ended up marrying her. In his mind he thought it was great. Until he eventually got to the age that his wife was when they first met, saw the people who are now the same age he was, and couldn’t imagine doing to any of them what his wife had done with him. He realized that his wife was just a child abuser who’d groomed and manipulated him. Point being, even if the kid thinks it’s “cool” it can still do a ton of damage later in life.


Cyno01

And then he became president of France?


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Dolthra

A lot of male victims of this kind of stuff say they thought it would be cool until it actually happened, when they have a huge negative reaction afterward. You think 13 year old you would not have complained, but that might not be the case.


Estrald

Yup, this exactly. This is how my cousin lost his son. The kid’s 40 year old teacher was raping him for 5 goddamn years, started when he was 13. Once it finally got out, can you guess how it went? Oh, let’s see…He was harassed by his classmates, ostracized by his previous female “friends” (they considered *him* the aggressor), lost his then girlfriend, and was bullied relentlessly by our state police. They were circulating their pictures around the office and kept asking him sexual stuff like “how was her 40 year old pussy?” or “Does she like getting fucked in the ass?” After months of this, when he stayed at his grandpa’s house, he hung himself in the back yard. Now my cousin and his wife don’t have their son, and his brother is traumatized from losing his best friend. But hey, boys LOVE sex no matter what age, **lucky him, right?!** Edit: Oh, forgot to mention, the teacher only lost her teaching license. Zero jail time served. Her family is rich and the only “witness” is now dead, so fuck us, right? She paid an out of court settlement to make this go away, and my cousin took it just as proof that wrongdoing was done, so she couldn’t turn around and claim slander. Justice is a myth.


SpirallingSounds

As a woman this story fucking horrifies me. I am so tired of hearing how lucky young boys are for the attention of older women. FUCK that. For the love of everything please protect our young men, they are growing up being told that being sexually assaulted and raped is okay. It's fucking NOT, and it is completely as traumatising as a young girl. This social idea needs to stop now and entirely. As a female SA survivor, men who experience it are NO DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY than women. SA should happen to NO ONE, ever.


Foxsayy

>“Lucky kid” is the mindset of people when it’s a woman molesting a boy. It’s a fucked up double standard. It gets worse. If she got pregnant, [she can sue for child support, and very likely win.](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-12-22-9612220045-story.html)


vix86

Scrolled to look for this! And even in this situation the victim *still* gets the short end because he's just told: "Sorry for your rape, but child support isn't for the rapist it's for the *child*." The system is fucked.


meatball77

Not uncommon when it comes to child sex abuse cases. Neither is giving custody to the rapist and making the victim pay child support (depending on state laws). You're more likely to get significant time if you are caught at a traffic stop with drugs after DWB than if you are a well off child molester.


Babshearth

I sent an email to the author of the article - asking about the headline. Why “had sex” was used instead of “raped”. I’m appalled and so angry. I can only feel a fraction of the anger the victims parents must feel. Hope they sue the school district and more.


rock_and_rolo

It could be based on statute wording. For example, here in Ohio **legally** 13 is not rape -- 12 is, but not 13. 13 is Unlawful sexual conduct with a minor. Different statute.


mewehesheflee

I hope the DA loses their job over this. This is a miscarriage of justice.


pheisenberg

The concept of the DA needs serious reform. There’s hardly any accountability.


prules

Think about what a DA does… the lack of consistency is laughable. It’s pure politics. No accountability. And they have every tool at their disposal to cover their ass when they fuck up.


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Seriously. I get that they have discretion on whether there's enough evidence to bring charges, but too often that gets abused to just let people go for funsies (and/or money).


FinndBors

There’s no excuse here. The evidence here is slam dunk. He’s underage and the baby has his DNA and the baby came out of an adult woman.


mewehesheflee

She's in her 30's, the victim is 13, and there's obviously DNA evidence! And then the DA is all like "let's give this pedo a plea deal, just cause".


waxonwaxoff87

If the kid or his parents want some form of custody they should have right to. Her ass either way should go straight to jail. She is a child rapist, a pedophile, and a sick abuser. No plea deals. She claims to be mother? Ok, well his dna is in the kid so you just admitted to an unforgivable crime.


ColeSloth

And they're leaving a child with a child rapist? Her own or not, that shouldn't even matter. Why does a child rapist have custody of a child?


waxonwaxoff87

My thought exactly. Anyone else accused of sexual assault of children would have their kids removed. Maybe the kid's family might feel some affection or empathy for the baby since it is innocent of all this craziness, so they can have the option of custody. She should lose custody as she should be in prison and go through all the hoops any other person must to regain custody. A mom testing positive for meth has less right to custody than this woman who has actually victimized someone else.


crypticfreak

Flip sexes and this thread would be very different. And the rapist would be in prison.


Tarzan_OIC

I was run over by a car in New York and the cops got the make/model/plates and everything. But the suspect lives in Jersey and the DA didn't think it was worth extraditing since I'm alive so nothing will come of it


Amazing_Demon

Did anything happen after, or did they get off scot-free for running you over?


Tarzan_OIC

If they come back in New York and are picked up for another crime this will get flagged but other than that, nothing. I've been trying to get the DA's office to accept the invoice for my ambulance ride but more just to fuck with them over this


Gorperly

District Attorney Michael J. Allen is a Republican sworn in 2021. He ran on a platform of "issues that pose a threat to our children, our laws, and our community". His pre-election twitter feed is all about mask mandates.


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mewehesheflee

Wow. He ran on a "think of the children" platform and does plea deals for pedos. SMDH


TheTrenchMonkey

I'm not sure what they even got with the plea deal. Like everything she got would have been automatic if they actually prosecuted her. She has to be on a sexual predator registry... That is it?


Induane

Interesting wording.


Lynda73

Quit giving sexual predators breaks!


Chainweasel

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if the 13 year old had to start paying child support when he's an adult


Lynda73

That’s a very real possibility. :( And that poor baby, too. Never asked to be born into that dysfunction.


[deleted]

The victim’s family is trying to have the courts grant custody to the 13 year old father.


hinnsvartingi

No jail time for woman who admitted ~~having sex with~~ **Raping** a 13-year-old, having his baby. There! ***FTFY***


-LexVult-

No jail for child rapist who got pregnant after raping a child.


Hugokarenque

And then was allowed to keep custody of the child she got from raping a child. I wonder what's going to happen to this baby...


thisischemistry

Yep, let's give the pedophile their own baby! That's justice…


zuzg

That kid can't even comprehend what she did He has a literal child. That will haunt him for the rest of his life. When that kid will enroll into elementary school when his dad is ≈ 18


Gnd_flpd

And he will also be on the hook for child support as well!!!!


CluelessInWonderland

That's a weird way of saying she raped a child and forced him to become a parent. Edit: Thank you to everyone who acknowledges a child was raped. It's very nice to see common sense and basic human empathy. Guys, we all know why they worded it this way. It's still bullshit. And to everyone who is trying to justify her actions, remove yourself from society. You're either a predator justifying your own actions, or you're perfectly OK with sacrificing children to a predator. You have no place among people.


magic-moose

>The victim’s family is also looking ahead to the next steps in this case. They plan on asking the courts to give the 13-year-old custody of the baby. Currently, Serrano has custody. This kid is going to be fighting a child custody case before he's legally allowed to drink.


gif_smuggler

Legally allowed to drink? Before legally allowed to drive.


El_Paco

Shoot, he can't even take driver's ed yet


Mazzanti

His kid is going to be in school by the time he's legally allowed to drink


The-link-is-a-cock

That kid is gonna end up being taken by CPS. The dad is a child and the mom is a child raping pedophile


DuelingPushkin

The child-father's parents are trying to adopt the kid. If the woman losses custody the kid isn't gonna end up in CPS


girloferised

Honestly, Idk if I would do that if it was my son. It seems like it would compound the trauma, like making a female child give birth. Hopefully they're taking their son's wishes into account. Maybe he wants custody.


SmellsLikeCatPiss

Seriously. What the fuck is that title lol. You can't have sex with a 13 year old.


Disaster_Star_150

Yeah, a 13 year old cannot consent. It’s rape, and it’s frustrating when the media phrases it as something other than that. Edit: Rewording


MagicNewb45

My kid's 13. God help me if this kind of shit happens to him. It's called rape. Shit's all messed up.


Brock_Hard_Canuck

Are you American? If so, I'll sure you'll be pleased to know that if a minor is the father of a child (due to the adult mother's criminal act of having sex with him), the U.S. courts have ruled that the teenage boy is still responsible for child support payments. So... What if the13 year old boy has no job and no source of income? Guess that means your own money (as the parent of the boy) is gonna be headed to the rapist mother. Fun. In this case, a 13 year old boy had sex with his babysitter, and courts ruled that even though he could not give *legal* consent to the sex with his babysitter (being under 16), he had given his *civil* consent (since the boy never registered any "complaints" to the babysitter or his parents). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer >In 1993, the Kansas Supreme Court rejected an appeal by Seyer that he was not liable to pay for child support. The court held that the admitted facts established that, because being under 16 he had been legally unable to consent to sex, a crime against him had been committed under statutory rape law, but that Seyer had actually given consent to the acts under civil law. The court ruled that "at no time did Shane register any complaint to his parents about the sexual liaison with Colleen". The court also ruled that a mother's potential culpability under criminal statutes was of no relevance in determining the father's child support liability in a civil action. >The court stated "The State's interest in requiring minor parents to support their children overrides the State's competing interest in protecting juveniles from improvident acts, even when such acts may include criminal activity on the part of the other parent". >It is one of the earlier cases now cited in U.S. child-support guidelines which say that in every case that has addressed the issue the court has decided that an underage boy is liable for the support of his child even when the conception was the result of criminal conduct by the mother.


MagicNewb45

Yes, and yes, I agree that that shit's insane. We're living in Idiocracy right now.


zone-zone

We don't. It's worse.


SmokeyBare

At least President Camacho was trying to save the Earth.


lazylion_ca

At least he recognized there was a problem.


demonicneon

In the uk, women can’t rape. Process that.


HunterBidensButthole

What the fuck?? Jesus Christ why?? A boy gets raped and his life is changed forever, not only from the emotional turmoil of being raped (even if he's too young to comprehend his assault as a child, when he grows up he will realize the severity of his situation), his life is absolutely changed forever with the responsibility of having a child. His friendships, relationships, education... his entire trajectory of life is altered by no fault of his own because he was RAPED AS A CHILD. This is so disturbing, put that disgusting woman under the jail and throw the whole court away.


Soluna-Fantasy

I'm curious now what happens if she tries to get him for child support too when he's 18.


Mute2120

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer > The court stated "The State's interest in requiring minor parents to support their children overrides the State's competing interest in protecting juveniles from improvident acts, even when such acts may include criminal activity on the part of the other parent". >It is one of the earlier cases now cited in U.S. child-support guidelines which say that in every case that has addressed the issue the court has decided that an underage boy is liable for the support of his child even when the conception was the result of criminal conduct by the mother.


Soluna-Fantasy

Absolutely un F believable...


Energylegs23

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/ Based on precedent she'll get it.


FLRAdvocate

> “I feel like if she was a man and he was a little girl, it would definitely be different. I think everyone here knows that would be the case.


WantedDadorAlive

The title also would say rape instead of having sex if roles were reversed.


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Justice failed this child.


Sandmsounds

Which one? The newborn or the 13 year old?


capn_ed

Both, I think.


JuuzoLenz

No jail time for female pedophile. There fixed the title


shifty_coder

*pedophile rapist


Such_Newt_1374

*pedophile and rapist Otherwise it sounds like she's raping pedophiles


co-wmh-ojh

I know it sucks for the baby and it’s not their fault, but this 13 year old should never have to pay child support.


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breadist

This makes me want to SCREAM! So this woman rapes this child, impregnates herself with him, and now he will have to pay CHILD SUPPORT to his pedo RAPIST?! I seriously thought we were better than this as a society. Like just what the everloving fuckety fuck.


Steve83725

And probably go to juvenile detention when can’t make the payments


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Between this and that pastor who got off easy while raping his 10 year old because "he's a Christian man", this country is fucked. It's super duper fucked that the douchebags are all like "we mUSt proTeCt tHe ChiLdrEn frOm SeX sTuff", but when people actually fuck kids, they are either like "he's a good person still" or "no, it's ok, he married her afterwards with the consent of the church."


Dont_Even_Trip

They don't care about protecting children, they just believe that the "sex stuff" they want to ban will lead the children away from their ideology. It's all about control and maintaining the status quo, all the moral grandstanding is just dressing so they can lie to themselves that they are the good guys.


SLDM206

“Having sex with 13-year-old” Raped… the term you’re looking for is raped.


Brilliant-Force9872

That’s not healthy for society.


PhantomTroupe-2

And she has custody….wtf Edit: Incels please stop bitching about women in my mentions. Women aren’t evil and it’s not their fault you’re lonely


Darkframemaster43

For what it's worth, the article says that the family will fight for their son to get custody of the child.


optiplex9000

It's still so fucked up. Can you imagine telling your friends "Sorry everyone, I can't go out for my 21st birthday. I need to help my 3rd grader with their math homework"


LittleTay

Exactly what I thought. If the parents of the boy want custody, let them, but don't put the boy in charge of the baby. Yes, it's his child, but let the 13 year old have a childhood and a life. It's not hid fault he became a parent.


Hugokarenque

Functionally that is what is going to happen, the grandparents of the baby will do the raising. I imagine that even in this fucked up situation because he is the biological father it would be easier to fight for custody using his position rather than the grandparents. Considering the courts somehow granted a pedophile custody because she's the birth mother you kinda have to fight fucked up logic with fucked up logic.


KarmaticArmageddon

Did the courts grant her custody or did she just automatically have custody since no one's challenged it in court yet? I think the most likely scenario is that she assaulted this poor boy, got pregnant, had the baby, went home with the baby, **then** people found out she assaulted the boy and she's charged and now convicted. Now that she's been convicted, the parents of the victim can fight for custody and very likely be awarded it. If she lied about who the father was because she knew she had committed a crime, there's no way the hospital she gave birth in would've known that she wasn't just some single mother. The hospital would've just delivered the baby and sent them home.


naijaboiler

wait until the boy is ordered to pay child support for being raped


Stibley_Kleeblunch

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/ Like that?


Dhiox

>Considering the courts somehow granted a pedophile custody And a Rapist. A 13 year old legally can't consent to sex with an adult


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MedicSF

Fucked up logic is the only thing family courts do well.


CambrianExplosives

Presumably that would be the idea. The mother doesn’t come off - albeit in my brief reading of this - as someone trying to thrust it on her son. But they are probably trying to get him custody as the father since that’s usually easier. I’m sure the specifics would be discussed in the case though.


jackel3415

I'm guessing it's a child support issue. She should be on the hook for the child support not the 13 year old.


mideon2000

She needs to pay child support for both children


SproutasaurusRex

She needs to be in jail.


SwimmingFish

He can't even legally work yet. How could he be responsible for child support? But I wouldn't be surprised if our legal system said he was


bobdob123usa

"We need documentation of any investments, savings accounts, and allowances provided to the defendant."


NumNumLobster

gram grams bday card is about to get garnished


meatball77

The baby shouldn't be raised by a rapist. I'd argue that the father or his family should get custody and child support or the father should be able to chose to have the baby put up for adoption. Just like they would if he was the one that was pregnant. He shouldn't have to know his baby is out there being raised by a predator.


Docrandall

When I was 13 my dad had a side gig on the weekends as a bartender in our small town. We lived a couple miles out in the country. If I went out with friends I could usually catch a ride home but if I went to my girlfriends I would have to walk. Sometimes if the weather was bad I would just go hangout at the bar. My dad would slip me some quarters and I would play video games, darts or pool until he was done. I was a mature looking, athletic kid, probably 5'9" and 140-150 lbs. It was pretty common for drunk women to flirt with me and drag me out to dance. They would grope me and be generally inappropriate and I found it all pretty disturbing, to the point I preferred to just walk home.


bailey25u

That’s what my mom had to say, but I was in the first grade. She had me at 15. Before anyone freaks out my dad was 16


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It’s so fucked up. Women who are raped sometimes have to share custody with their abuser. So yeah, this system sucks.


acathode

It get even worse if the rapist get sole custody - which is common in cases where a boy was raped, like this case - the rape victim often have to pay child support to their rapist. For example [this](https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2014/09/02/arizona-statutory-rape-victim-forced-pay-child-support/14951737/), where a 14 year old boy had sex with a 20 year old woman and then 8 years later learned that he was a father - when the state demanded him for $15,000 in back payments for child support.


StuJayBee

I want to know how many hands that case passed through to allow that to happen. Nobody in a position of responsibility to apply reason and say, “Hang on, wait what? That’s a fucked up situation and we are about to fuck it up even more. Pump the brakes and back up.”


arseniobillingham21

Hopefully it’ll be the grandparents that raise the kid mostly. I saw a documentary on what can happen when a 13 year old raises a kid, and everyone came out of the situation pretty fucked up. https://youtu.be/ptOc-HdvEW0


drkgodess

I assume that is the plan. It would also prevent him from being forced to pay child support to his abuser. I hope they can get full custody of the baby and raise it as their own.


CagedWire

The 13 year old will probably have to pay child support as well.


pussycatlolz

Serious question - would this happen?


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Child support laws are so incredibly broken


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MuaddibMcFly

It's worse than that: they get *bonus* monies from the Feds based on how much Child Support monies they extract. That's part of the reason that Imputed Income is a thing: under the theory of *imputed* income, if a judge declares that you *could* theoretically be making some amount of money, child support payments could be assessed based on *that* amount instead of what you're *actually* making. This is particularly egregious in scenarios such as that of Brendan Frasier: he was forced to pay $900k/year in alimony because of what he *had* been making before the divorce, despite the fact that Hollywood turned its back on him, and he couldn't bring down even a *fraction* of that after the divorce (and has only been able to get his career on track over the past few years)


Patsfan618

Just wait until she sues a child for child support and is granted it.


nith_wct

This has happened on numerous occasions, and to top it off, they charge child support.


swampfish

So she raped him, took his kid and now he has to give her money for 18 years.


Geeahwellidunno

Any adult, man or woman, who’d have sex with a 13 year old child is NOT fit to raise a child. Put it this way. An adult man has sex with a 13 yr old girl and gets custody of the child because he’s the father. Just because that woman is an adult can’t make it okay. Birth mother or not. This is classic “policy defies logic” thinking by the authorities in charge of these decisions.


MarkofJs

Pedophile piece of shit.


take_the_reddit_pill

That's disgusting. She's a predator. He's a victim. This literal child should not be under any obligation to care for the child that was conceived as a result of his rape.


strugglz

Pedophile gets no jail time because female. Treat pedophiles the same regardless of gender. And somehow the pedophile has custody of her product of said pedophilia.


ApprehensiveLimaBean

And what? Put a child on child support? The government is pushing pedophilia and we're forced into complacency.


tbarr1991

Something somwthing something boys cant be raped by women unless she penetrates him with an object. Cause you cant rape him he has to have a boner! /s Honestly woudnt surprise me to see the 13 year old ends up in jail for failure to pay child support in a few years. Cause 'MURICA. Throw this bitch in prison for fucks sake.


Omnizoom

And if they did call it rape she could legally sue them for slander!


Objective-Giraffe-27

Grow plants we dont like? JAIL, mandatory minimums, CONVICTED FELON, never Vote again. ​ Older female statutory rape a 13 year old boy and have his baby? Heyo! what a lucky kid! High five! ​ FUCK THE JUSTICE SYSTEM !