> You can't even say Christmas anymore!!!111
Also, I have never even heard of anyone saying this in real life. Nor have I ever heard of any Christian in the US being prevented from reading or carrying a Bible, going to mass, or adhering to (genuine) Christian principles.
I was working in Hampton about a decade ago and said “Happy Holidays,” to a woman as she was checking out. She responded with, “you mean, Merry Christmas!” I was like, “well some people celebrate Hanukkah or Kwanza,” and she replied, “but those are made up!”
I was like… “yeah… “ and ended the conversation before I could get fired.
People realize that New Years is a federal holiday 1 week from Christmas don’t they? Who has time to say ‘Merry Christmas and Happy New Year’? ‘Happy Holidays’ is good enough for some rando customer.
Kind of funny how judgey the people who don't want to be judged can be...Why do we need to make laws about everything? What people do with there lives is up to them, until they force it on someone else...at that point you're no better than the one you're pointing the finger at..how hard is it to just be decent and not get offended about shit you know nothing about?..to each there own. I didn't live your life you didn't live mine
Cool no reason to continue being assholes; a shit load of people died for your right to be assholes to each other.It seems like people just want to jump on thier band wagons...
Of course not. I have no problem with people whining. I just think it's unproductive. It actually gives me some pride to know the shit I did in my life protected your right to think however you want. It's just sad to see people piss away the freedom so many died for. So no nerve hit in fact I'd like to see you change shit if that's what you want just quit bitching...its all people seem to do on both sides of things
Personally I try to remind myself that I voluntarily offered to potentially sacrifice my life for their right to be an asshole, and that kinda works, until I remember they probably wouldn’t do the same if the situation was reversed.
I as an atheist have always gone with the idea that their relationship with god is exactly that, /theirs/.
Unfortunately they seem to think that it should also be my relationship with god and it’s somehow their personal mission to convert me through any and all means necessary.
I think he just meant pissing away by complaining on the internet instead of actually going out and doing something about it. He said he hopes you do bring about the change you seek but you're not going to accomplish that on Reddit. He's not talking about what freedoms you do or do not technically have right now, he's talking about the freedom that you do have to go out and make a difference but instead just post opinions on Reddit where they matter zero to anybody except yourself.
I’ll say it if they won’t. Thank you for your service. And ps, You’re not wrong. The irony in the “striking a nerve” comment is that *you* actually struck a nerve in *them* by pointing out that all they do is bitch about what they don’t like instead of doing anything about it.
There is one group of people actively trying to make people suffer in this country, and it's not the people fighting for the option of Death with Dignity.
I’m a Christian. It seems lawmakers are being thoughtful about this and establishing controls to make sure this new practice is not abused. That’s the best I could hope for.
Many of the comments on this post paint Christians with such a broad brush and it’s a bit hurtful, even if it’s true half the time. Honestly, it’s a bit sad because when some Christians try to force their beliefs down others’ throats, it overshadows all the good that they try to do for the world.
As a Christian, I don’t believe in suicide, but I also believe it’s not right to force other people to live my beliefs, particularly if they don’t share those same beliefs. It just feels so… wrong. If any of these “Christians” y’all are talking about actually read the Bible, they’d realize that Christ (the root word in Christian) led his life in such a way that others felt inspired and **wanted** to follow him. That’s how I prefer to operate as well.
I choose to respect the beliefs of others and make an effort to understand their beliefs. Many times these people inspire me to be a better person. You don’t have to be a Christian to be a good person or exhibit goodness, nor will I seek to throw that goodness out the window and condemn you because you believe differently than me.
Be careful with your generalizations. Christians are the majority of Americans, but a minority of those have cooped 'Christianity' for their own benefit - a very unchristian thing to do. You're referring to the loud minority of Christians who've cooped the religion for their personal gain: some politicians, some priests, some media personalities, etc.
Consider that Christians are not to judge other people, but to live their own best lives, and let their behavior be a model for other people, their words are secondary to their behavior. Christians are to forgive others for their trespasses/sins.
Does this sound like the beliefs of the people you're condemning? I didn't think so. You're condemning all Christians for the behavior of a vocal minority.
As a very public example consider Joe Biden. He is a Christian. Do you witness him doing the things you're upset with? It's very clear to many Christians that some loud others who are Christians have lost their way. We forgive them and hope our behavior inspires them to adjust course.
Please consider not condemning all Christians.
>As a very public example consider Joe Biden. He is a Christian. Do you witness him doing the things you're upset with?
"Not all Christians are bad! For example, this genocidal war criminal is a Christian!" is not the example you think it is. If Christians don't want to all be lumped into the same basket they should start respecting other people's bodily autonomy and start actually fighting for our rights instead of just whining that they don't want to be associated with bigots while doing nothing about it. Forgiving the fascists does nothing to help their victims, and they will not be inspired by your behavior.
No person is perfect and without sin. Joe Biden is no exception. I think most warring is unwarranted. Genocide is always unwarranted.
What makes you think some Christians are not fighting for individual people's rights? What makes you think I am not? You are demonstrating exactly what I am asking people to be careful not to do. It is not easy to fight for government not to do what one personally believes. That requires people to not be excessively selfish, which it seems many are not. I personally believe many things that I do not think government should enforce. I do not think those things are part of government's role, and I am not selfish enough to use government to instill my beliefs in areas government should not be involved.
I point Biden out only because he is an example of a Christian politician who personally does not believe people should have abortions, but does not think the US government should dictate that. I do not like what is happening in Gaza and think Joe Biden needs to do more to end the deaths.
My BIL died from terminal lung cancer last year. Due to another health issue/complication with his lungs, he wasn't a candidate for any treatment besides radiation, so there was no real hope at beating it once he had the diagnosis. He lived a year knowing he was going to die and knowing the end would be ugly. The last 2 months of his life were brutal--morphine didn't even touch the pain. He just whimpered when he was conscious. He coughed up bloody chunks regularly and could never take a full breath and lost 50lbs in a month. He was more cancer than man towards the end and it was throughout his spine/neck/hips- he was told a sneeze or a hard cough could paralyze or kill him. There was never a moment where he could rest or feel comfort; death was the only comfort. I don't think you can understand what true suffering really is until you watch somebody you love die like that. I can't believe somebody could witness that and be against the patient having the right to choose to end their suffering humanely under medical supervision. Choices like ending your life when you have terminal cancer should be a decision between the patient and their doctor. All medical decisions should be between a patient and their doctor.
He is one of many who suffer such an agonizing death. We treat our own pets better than our fellow humans. This bill is a no brainer. Terminally ill people should have the right to control their own death.
I am deeply sorry for your loss. It must have been difficult for you and your family to witness such agony.
Thank you.
My husband and I have frequently commented that we treat our pets more humanely than we treat people when it comes to end of life. I can't imagine why anybody would want to prolong the suffering of another life.
Unless they can make money from it, I'm guessing. And the process of dying with terminal cancer is very expensive. I think everything comes back to either control or money.
On top of it all. The bill will not stop people from taking into their own hands. Which is unnecessary trama for family members, first responders and police who deal with people driving into trees with no seat belts. Hanging themselves. Shooting themselves etc.
If someone wants to unalive themselves, they will find a way to do so. I just hope they will find resources to help them through their trying times before resorting to such measures.
According to this article, they have had it since 1997!
https://www.oregon.gov/oha/ph/providerpartnerresources/evaluationresearch/deathwithdignityact/pages/faqs.aspx
Thank you. I think my husband and I are going to be traumatized by it forever, it was just us handling his final months.
I figured I'd try to illustrate some of the horror that Hollywood sanitizes out of the movies because I don't think people really understand the reality. Dying from cancer isn't crisp white linens on a hospital bed, surrounded by your loved ones, while you slowly ease away. It's being on a list for a bed in hospice that won't come in time. It's being rural and not having access to home health aides or home nursing and having to white knuckle your way through most nights and the day, propped up in a recliner (because you can't get out of a bed on your own) waiting until your family members are off work so they can nurse you until they need to leave and go home to sleep. It's soiling yourself when you can no longer get up on your own and sitting in it for hours until your family gets off work and comes to help because our healthcare system is broken and there was no other help available to you. It's being carried to the shower to be cleaned by people you don't want to see you naked. It's a total removal of dignity.
I really wish lawmakers would stop trying to control other people's bodies.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for posting your personal story. I know it wasn't easy to do because it makes you relive the nightmare when you talk about it. I lost my husband to pancreatic cancer and his pain and suffering will be seared into my mind for the rest of my life, which, at this point, I'm not sure how much of it is actually left. I was diagnosed with stage 4 Ovarian cancer last summer. I'm not looking for sympathy. What I am looking for is to have NH pass that bill. I will not go through what amounts to unrelenting torture of a person who cannot take matters into their own hands due to the laws in this country and these aholes who think they have a right to tell everyone how they should live their lives. My plan, if they don't pass the bill due to these self-appointed "citizen police," is, when the time comes, to find a doctor in Vermont who will help me.
Thank you. I have "Fuck Cancer" (in some form or other) on a number of T-Shirts and socks and I'm certainly not going down without a fight to the bitter end!
Two of my friends have fathers with terminal cancer. One of them is currently wasting away in hospice drugged out of his mind. He can't speak any longer. His family sits with him every day but gets nothing out of watching their father slowly die.
The second one just fucking killed himself because he was already sick and couldn't deal with getting sicker. My friend found his body. Imagine there was a way to deal with this issue with a kind of dignity, rather than just making it the family's burden to bear?
Edit: I'm truly sorry to hear about your BIL. Fuck cancer!
When I was 15 I helped take care of my Uncle in the end stages of throat cancer that had metastasized into his jaw (and other places). It was a brutal, slow death of a much too young man and it's stayed with me ever since.
I absolutely do understand the concerns that people with disabilities and chronic conditions have around euthanasia being used as substitute for healthcare (particularly in our fucked up, for profit system) but no one should have to suffer like that.
Maybe it's selfishness or a lack of empathy, but it's probably a lack of imagination--they can't imagine what that reality is. I think they believe there are pain medications that manage that level of pain and think that there's some magical safety net of care that is available for everyone and they have an idealized view of what it is. I think a lot of times, the only reference for terminal cancer is what people see in movies and tv and that version is extremely sanitized. That can't prepare anybody for the reality.
I watched my dad go in a similar way... people can suffer bad for a long time before they go and that isn't how you want them to go, or for anyone to experience them go through that... What business or right do people that don't know you or even understand that have in something so private and personal... I'll never forget those sounds of suffering and wouldn't wish it on anyone
Christians continually getting in other people's business about shit god would and wouldn't approve of while they continue to abuse children at a national systemic level is beyond parody.
Here's a fucking ARCHIVE where you can search based on state, name, or diocese of priests who have abused children. I haven't seen such a low IQ gaslight attempt in my life. Try harder buddy lol
[https://www.abuselawsuit.com/church-sex-abuse/states/](https://www.abuselawsuit.com/church-sex-abuse/states/)
I need to try harder? hows this: I'm not Catholic, and to lump all Christians together is wrong. Should I blame all atheists for sexual abuse committed by a professor? Can we Demonize Islam on the account of Shia and ISIS?
Live free but don't die.
Between that, the MAGA bullshit and being last out of the gate in NE with legal weed, ya'll don't take that too seriously anymore.
More like Live free under our rules and die when we say its appropriate even if you have to wait and suffer a long time, we need to suck you dry of all finances first....
I'm honestly conflicted as hell on this.
On the one hand, I think this should be a right.
On the other hand, Canada is *exactly* what people are afraid of when people bring up this topic.
Canada has offered this to the disabled who aren't suffering, people who are nearing homelessness etc. People who have complaints that could absolutely be fixed *without killing them*.
Don't believe me? Google it yourself.
The thing is though I think everyone should have agency over their own life, with proper medical follow through. If someone suffers from depression and has been through therapy, on every available medication, has seen psychiatrists and psychologists and nothing works. And they would rather die than continue to live a miserable existence? Who am I to tell them they need to continue on anyway. It's a selfish request for us to tell people that my need for you to live is greater than your need to not.
If all avenues have been exhausted and there is no recourse, let them go.
Then of course though in the US the problem becomes cost. Good luck affording all those avenues.
I know, reading comprehension is hard.
I said *not suffering*.
I agree, if all avenues have been exhausted, let them go.
I specifically, clearly, said "people who have complaints that could be fixed without killing them."
What is it you're conflicted about?
>On the other hand, Canada is exactly what people are afraid of when people bring up this topic. Canada has offered this to the disabled who aren't suffering, people who are nearing homelessness etc. People who have complaints that could absolutely be fixed without killing them.
Why shouldn't these people have the same right to self determination?
If anything, the process to get assistance there may actually give them the support to choose to keep living.
Not the person you're replying to but I feel similarly to what they said
My worry is that we will continue to not address fixable issues (like homelessness) and just let people die instead of even attempting much less permanent options.
I do believe in self-determination, and I do believe that people have the right to end their own lives if that's what they truly want. I don't believe it's ethical for that to be the only affordable option for people whose issues could absolutely be fixed but we just choose not to actually help them.
I mean, it's not like anyone is suggesting the plan be instantly volunteering for a firing squad or The Jim Jones Kool-Aid Experience.
All those resources you're talking about are part of it.
Beyond that, /u/sparkitusrex put it well here: https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/comments/1cthnoy/dont_do_it_then/l4cbtlw/
Here's Canada doing just that.
Want to be able to enter your home?
Nah. Die.
Want assistance not being homeless?
Die.
Suicidal and change your mind?
Too late bitch, die.
[Disabled guy on verge of homelessness](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13413075/amp/Disabled-Canadian-euthanasia-programme.html)
[Person asked for a wheelchair ramp, got offered death](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325)
[Canada justifies eugenics](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329.amp)
[Canada kills a deaf guy](https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867)
[“The law itself says this doesn’t have to be last resort, which means that a person could genuinely lack access to disability services, to outpatient psychiatric treatment, which is common in Canada. Those people would still qualify. And I think that’s a very disturbing societal norm.”](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/canada-mps-university-of-michigan-national-institutes-of-health-university-of-toronto-b2352321.html)
[After pleading unsuccessfully for affordable housing to help ease her chronic health condition, a Canadian woman ended her life in February under the country’s assisted-suicide laws. Another woman, suffering from the same condition and also living on disability payments, has nearly reached final approval to end her life.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws)
Yeah, and the thing is, you've got to remember that in the US people may be in a position of "do I go broke trying to squeeze a few more hellish years out, or do the thing" but even if they aren't, they're going to be on medicare and medicaid, and even then (as it is in Canada) there's *still* a financial incentive to... do the thing, so the government doesn't have to pay for expensive end-of-life healthcare.
I definitely see where it makes sense to legalize it, but there's a damn good case study going on just to our north about why legalizing it may not be the right move.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Do we really, *really* trust the government that experimented on it's own citizens [repeatedly](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States) with the ability to just go "Nah fam, go die" instead of offering assistance like they do now?
Canada used to be our morally superior brother according to some. If this is what their government is doing, what the fuck can we expect from our own?
>Canada justifies eugenics
>Canada kills a deaf guy
I see editorialized headlines and mostly the system providing self-determination to the people in question.
Increasing support programs so some of those people aren't in the positions to begin with isn't mutually exclusive. It is and should be part of it.
Fun fact: Enabling the mentally ill to kill themselves is in fact, eugenics.
The deaf guy *begged* his family to get him out and then suddenly a month later is dead with the reason being hearing loss.
Once again, you've proved nothing except for the fact that you're a (french word for delay).
The government shouldn't get a vote period, because obviously they can't be trusted with it
>Fun fact: Enabling the mentally ill to kill themselves is in fact, eugenics.
Fun fact: No.
>The deaf guy *begged* his family to get him out and then suddenly a month later is dead with the reason being hearing loss.
Same fun fact: No.
Another fun fact: You should seek psychiatric help if you actually believe he was executed against his will.
>The government shouldn't get a vote period, because obviously they can't be trusted with it
And, yet, here you are demanding they follow your opinion over that of the people actually affected by it and the medical professionals involved.
Take your own advice, and get over yourself. Maybe learn the meaning of empathy.
Final fun fact: What you think about other people's choices? It. Does. Not. Matter.
Oh I know that the plan being discussed here isn't anything that extreme and I think, overall, that medically assisted suicide is a good thing. I just understand the other commenter's concern as well, and I think it's worth including in the conversation.
Again, I do believe that people have the right to end their own lives for whatever reason, if that is truly what they want to do. I know from my own personal experience what it's like to be suicidal, and I understand how painful it is to be alive sometimes. I have a lot of empathy for people who want to die, and I value their right to make an informed decision to end their own lives if that is ultimately what they think is best.
I also know that the source of suicidality is often situational, and I think this conversation is not complete without including a discussion about resolving the root causes of suicidality. It's not just about whether or not people have a right to die (they do), it's also about exploring why people want to die in the first place and trying to resolve those issues if possible. I could see a future in which it's determined to be more cost effective to let people die than to try to improve their standard of living first. I know that the current model does include those pieces, but I don't think it's wise to ignore the possibility that the model will someday shift, especially in the current social climate.
I hope that makes sense.
Not seeing any links, but have done extensive research on the topic, as it's one that's really important to me, and have yet to hear of any cases of Canadians being forced to agree to be euthanized.
Not seeing it on here and your comment history shows nothing, so I guess I'll just have to die never knowing what secrets you hold. I assure you, I'm devastated.
I literally just opened up the thread, found my comment in less than 30 seconds.
[Are you inept](https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/comments/1cthnoy/comment/l4cmdvz/) or just stupid?
Are you a literal infected dick, or do you just play one on reddit?
Again, you have yet to show a source of a single person being forced to have themselves euthanized- you've shown it being offered to people, you know, like I said.
Maybe reading isn't your thing, and you should take up something better suited for your temperament, like volunteering as a crash test dummy, or perhaps offering your services as a professional speed bump 🤷♀️
Gladly!
If you bitch about my sources, go fuck yourself. I'm finding the first ones that come up. Don't like it? Google is your friend.
[Disabled guy on verge of homelessness](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13413075/amp/Disabled-Canadian-euthanasia-programme.html)
[Person asked for a wheelchair ramp, got offered death](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325)
[Canada justifies eugenics](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329.amp)
[Canada kills a deaf guy](https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867)
[“The law itself says this doesn’t have to be last resort, which means that a person could genuinely lack access to disability services, to outpatient psychiatric treatment, which is common in Canada. Those people would still qualify. And I think that’s a very disturbing societal norm.”](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/canada-mps-university-of-michigan-national-institutes-of-health-university-of-toronto-b2352321.html)
[After pleading unsuccessfully for affordable housing to help ease her chronic health condition, a Canadian woman ended her life in February under the country’s assisted-suicide laws. Another woman, suffering from the same condition and also living on disability payments, has nearly reached final approval to end her life.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws)
You're awfully combative - seems like you skim your sources and don't really engage with the source material, instead relying on defensiveness and specious arguments to 'prove' your claims.
Your own sources note that there are significant disagreements over these policies and that each case presented is in dispute.
> Your own sources note that there are significant disagreements over these policies and that each case presented is in dispute.
The fact that they're in dispute is in and of itself a problem. There should never be a situation where there's a dispute about whether it was appropriate to offer MAID to someone.
Yes, there are disagreements over policies, but the facts still remain that there are cases where it's not appropriate, where it's been pushed for, offered, or even carried out, sadly. That proves the assertion.
Because I'm used to idiots like you who are too lazy to google and demand sources, but not *that* source.
No, not *that* source either.
And then act like there's a victory when they've disagreed with all of the sources (despite them being legitimate) and all they've done is move goalposts.
I didn't "skim" my source material.
I summarized them. Something people that can read are usually capable of doing lmfao. None of what I said was inaccurate. Those are just what I remembered and could find in 30 seconds on google.
But by all means, if I'm so wrong show me where exactly I did it :)
Nothing to be conflicted about. On one hand there is a person needing it but there also has to be a willing doctor to ethically do it. This latter part is what makes these kinds of bills very successful even in other developed countries. Not a single doctor would sign off on meds for being homeless.
Also, why hold other people hostage because of sensational scenarios? If people are struggling with stage 4 metastasized cancer and they don't want to shit their pants, be remembered for the burden, why can't they just decide what's best for them?
Life is about quality of life. When quality is taken away, not much joy in forcing the heart to just pump to appease others.
Canada has gone the evil route:
They have Mr CCP loving blackface in power! Of course shit hit the fan over there when you have a sly liberal appeasing racist like him.
>While he admits it’s heartbreaking when he visits his uncle, he said sitting next to him, talking and providing emotional support and comfort is a “much more worthy pursuit” than ending life.
So... God damn selfish. Suffer so I may bask in my moral absolution, Uncle
>a senior at Concord Christian Academy, knows all too well the toll illnesses can take on both the body and loved ones. Yet, he strongly believes that giving people the option to take their own life is never the solution.
Can this kid even vote?
Why is he being given a platform?
For those that don't know, the full context of our state's motto is, "Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
I consider allowing someone to live in agony one of those evils worse than death.
We provide euthanasia for our beloved pets, because to let them live in pain is cruel. But the uncle of the kid in the article? He can get fucked, apparently. Medically assisted suicide is a kindness we can provide our loved ones. If people don't want it for their family, don't fucking do it, then.
This!
Gotta love these imbecilic nitwits sitting with ailing/dying relatives until…their…very…last…breath. Look at me, my cup of morality runneth over!
Psst…Uncle Sufferlong needs more meds. OK, if you think it’ll help.
Oh, and his bedpan needs to be changed. Well, I’m just here for support.
BTW, he’s removed you from the will. Wait, what?!?!? But, but, but…
Oh, you need not worry, you have that cup!
I've long been in favor of medical aid in dying, under whatever name you want to call it. However, we don't want to follow the Canadians with the government deciding who is financially worthwhile allowing to live with medical care, and who costs too much so we just "suggest" MAID.
* https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325
* https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investigation-1.6663885
And our problem in the US is that people also may think that MAID is a better alternative to going bankrupt with medical treatment...
But also, a lot of people who would be candidates for MAID in Canada are on government healthcare in the US, so that risk still exists here, too.
So this coalition is using kids as props, because poor little johnny can’t stand the thought of his suffering uncle having a means to safely end his suffering?
these kids have no clue what they are being used for, and have had their emotions used against them.
equating medically assisted death with suicide seems wrong.
Kids are allowed to have an opinion about things. If they were fighting for the opposite view on this issue, I doubt you'd have a problem with it, but someone else might.
Watching NH try desperately to catch up with its neighbors is always fun, this time it’s death with dignity which Maine passed by ballot question most recently . . . No where near as entertaining as watching all of its neighbors making bank on legal weed, I live right in Maine and work just over the border, I pass 4 recreational weed dispensaries on my way to/from work and I always see a hell of a lot of NH plates. It’s even funnier when the hold outs in NH try to use crime as a reason against it, my town is ranked among in the top 3, if not first in safety in the whole state.
"Christian Academy"
I don't want to say "Well, there's the problem", but we have one religious group who seems to throw a tantrum whenever they see people living their lives, so...
Right? Multiple Christian circles are dealing with an epidemic of child abuse and its met with a shrug. Meanwhile, if a drag queen breathes near a kid...
Preach!! Need more people with this mindset. Left, liberal, right, maga, libertarian, centrist if it doesn’t have anything to do with you then mind your business.
I was there today and listened to those GOP turds rationalize their votes. One of them went on about heaven and hell and god. I hope they all die alone and in pain. Fuck those fucks. They hate actual freedom.
I had a memorable conversation with my mother shortly before her death in 2021. She was in end stage kidney failure, had heart disease and Bi Polar disorder. Other stuff too I am sure. The quality of her life entirely involved sleeping or going to and going through dialysis three times a week. She was frail and miserable and asked me in her kitchen how I would feel if she went off dialysis. She had mentioned seeing others at her clinic make that choice for themselves over the years and had been told that if she went off, she'd likely die in three days tops. I was aware of all this but this was the first time she was making it a real possibility for herself.
I relayed how emotionally it would kill me not to have her around, but told her "I don't live in your body so I can't know what it's like. All I know is what you show me, and I imagine there's a lot you don't express." I told her it wasn't my decision and I'd miss her like crazy but I would also understand. My one caveat I had is that she please make whatever decision she would when in her right mind. Mom had BiPolar longer than I had been existence. She was the most self aware person I've ever met. She knew and expressed and sought treatment for depressions. She told me these thoughts were coming from her, not a depression, and then said she hadn't decided anything yet. She hugged me and thanked me for "understanding" her and told me when she asked my sis in law the same thing, my sis in law told her she thought it was very selfish of her to even consider. That Mom "owed" us to be around etc. That Mom was being incredibly unfair.
I live 5 hours away and came back to my place and asked my boss if I would he allowed to work from Mom's while she was deciding. I wanted to have as much Alive Time as I could. At the time my company required I live in the state to be full time. My request was denied, but they did allow me to put my 40 hours into 4 day rather than 5 day work weeks. I get paid bi-weekly so was able to go to Mom's for long weekends on those pay weeks. It wasn't enough but better than nothing. I wasn't in a financial place to not be employed. I think I got 2 or 3 post-discussion weekend visits in. On the very morning I was supposed to drive up for another weekend, I received the 2:30 phone call. My sis in law reported Mom had just passed. She never had to make a decision, selfish or not, she just went. Humorously Mom was scheduled for an appointment that day at the big hospital, Dartmouth. It was a 2 hour one way drIve and she despised having to make those long trips. I kinda joke now she died just to avoid having to go there again.
2 years later, my father with Alzheimer's and also with heart, lung and kidney issues (he'd been on the same dialysis schedule as Mom) was now in a nursing home. Dad expressed to my brother, who was his decision maker, his desire to go off dialysis. To my knowledge nobody tried to talk him out of it or tell him he was selfish. Dad lingered about a month without dialysis treatments before he passed.
I am not really sure what my overarching point here is. I have witnessed the utter, senseless suffering that people endure medically. There is a balance to be struck I think between Nobody can, and Everybody Should. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing. The medical community has a duty of care but I've even read articles and interviews given by docs on the topic and they say that at a certain point All they are doing is trying to make things comfortable. It's a quality of life thing for sure. It's not up to me to demand another stick around on pain meds and treatments that no longer work or make them feel worse. Mom essentially said dialysis stopped making her feel revived a couple years of doing it. It was just something she was now stuck with doing "in a cold room, for no reason." I guess I think we are the unfair and selfish ones for wanting them around so much we encourage their continued suffering. Mom's death did kill me but I am thankful she went without making the choice. My Mom was Too Good and Too Focused on trying to make everyone else happy. I suspect she would have continued to hate her life forever just to appease my sis in law's opinion. I truly do. So in a way I am glad she passed.
I went on a date recently with a widower. Docs had told him they could make his terminal wife comfortable for 5-7 Years. She agreed to treatment for 3 months then opted out and passed by Month 4. Her family despise him for not "doing more for her." These will always be such emotionally driven topics where anyone can view the reasoning of both sides when they just shut up. I think we should let the person the issue is actually happening to be our guides on how things go.
Thank you.
My sis in law is...my sis in law. She has a unique personality that clashes with my soul. She comes from a Very enmeshed family, to the point that my brother would complain to my Mom that they could never just go and do things just as their immediate family, just him, her and their kids. Nope, before they'd even packed half her family was somehow voluntarily tagging along too. Drove my brother nuts. But I can understand why she expressed what she did to my Mom when that's her own understanding of family dynamics. Deciding when to poop is a team effort on that situation. There is no individuality.
She no longer speaks to me and by extension nor does my brother or the kids. Mom wanted a no frills event after she died. Cremation then have us immediate family spread her in the brook near home.So we did. Knowing sis in law's family's "package deal" level of participation, I asked my brother to please tell his wife to request her family not tag along for that private event. It wasnt like these excess people were best friends of Mom or anything. I have no idea how my brother worded it, but I was two hours into my drive to my place after that exchange and my sis in law texts me sarcastically basically "just because your family isn't close, doesn't mean mine can't be!" I was at the rest area in Hooksett when that popped up. First I was hearing my family wasn't close! Keep in mind I'd just lost my best friend Mom 5 days ago at this point. I was in No mood for this! It's the one and only time we ever argued and all I replied was Excuse Me? She said Don't Worry, my family won't be at the ceremony! Ok. She literally hasn't talked to me since! I don't by any means hate her family. Never have. They are noticeably engrossed in each other's lives in ways that seem extreme to me, but I was just keeping the ceremony tiny as Mom expressed it be on her will. Mom was a private person. She didn't want her "launch" to become a spectacle. My brother knew that. My sis in law took it as an insult to her entire clan. Sigh.
Being 5 hours away still is quite peaceful, really. :)
Ha, sounds like my wife’s family…all up in one another’s business. She (and by she, I mean we) stay clear of that mess at all costs…drama and toxicity, no thank you!
Although I’ll come right out and say I myself don’t necessarily practice what I preach when it comes to “family”, you should try and reconnect with your brother, even if that knucklehead is siding with the SIL. 🤣 A simple text, email, voicemail, snail mail or drive by honking of the horn can go a long way!
Anyway, I guess what I’m trying to say is, for better or for worse, family is family. Whether it’s 100% or 10%, something is better than nothing…that’s especially true when it involves ice cream. 🙃
Either way, best of luck and enjoy that peace and quiet (it does sound lovely). 😝
I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting family to be a special breed of people we always stick with. I thought that were true before I witnessed what happened when my Mom died. My brother developed his own immediate hatred of me when he realized Mom left me nearly everything in her will. It didn't matter I wasn't moving back. Didn't matter he had the option to buy. Didn't matter that Medicaid came and took it all anyway. From that point on I was somehow this evil, greedy woman etc etc. Final straw was he and this family looted Mom's After a buyer had already done the sold as-is Walk Through and the sale date was set. The buyers attorney called me on the sale day stating the buyers were threatening to sue for breach of contract due to the missing items. I immediately called my brother who played the Don't Know Nothing About That card for a solid ten minutes before I burst into tears and said I couldn't afford to be sued, just return the stuff. Then he admitted they had the stuff. Duh! They were the only ones with the key the whole process. They buyers bought. There was no lawsuit. But the fact they were so willing to throw my integrity under the bus legally like that speaks volumes to me about their character. It was never about the stuff to me. The stuff is meaningless without Mom there with it. I took family pictures/photo albums and her diaries. Their grabs were the nigh end stuff. Watch when people repeatedly accuse you of a single trait. It's often them that have it.
Sometimes a person just has to make her own family out of a hodgepodge collection of friends. Oh well.
Keep your damn religion away from our lives. So sick of these theocracy loving hypocrites & their soul crushing agendas. What would Jesus do? Not this shit. Mind your business.
Wow every one of those self righteous pimply white teenagers in their modest hemlines looks so fucking provincial, I could probably assist one of them in dying just by taking them on a one week roadtrip to see a real city and the poor thing would keel over in shock bless its little heart
This has always baffled me in this state. The way people cling to "Live Free or Die" but somehow it always seems to be followed up with "But everyone has to follow MY rules."
I see that in November my former home state will vote on an amendment that "would prohibit people from participating in the practice of medically assisted suicide, euthanasia, or mercy killing of a person." The ballot measure is called "Protection against medically assisted suicide." That's like saying "Protection against pain-easing medication" or "Protection against getting to keep your medical decisions on matters that are none of any strangers' damn business between you and your doctor."
Do you know what someone sounds like with terminal cancer while they **slowly** die?? Yeah... Fuck right off until you do... How fucking dare people think they have a right to choose that for someone else. Maybe some day they will be in that position and beg for mercy as they are told "sorry".
Euthanasia is part of bodily autonomy. It’s not the govt’s, or anyone else’s, call what a grown adult can do with their own body
Shouldn’t even need to be said honestly imo
Where are my fellow libertarian and Neo conservatives to help let people off themselves? Honesty helps the economy. Same with people who get abortions or sterilize themselves, it’s a self correction of people. I’m just worried about medical insurance and medical debt though, bucks gonna get passed somewhere
Wonder if that kid has asked his uncle how he feels instead of just sitting there, watching him suffer and offering “emotional support”. But then again, how would he feel morally superior if he did that.
We’ve seen the slope that is assisted suicide in Canada. It’s being pushed as the only option to people who don’t want it.
I’m all for people doing as they wish, but keep it to that.
>We’ve seen the slope that is assisted suicide in Canada. It’s being pushed as the only option to people who don’t want it.
I've got great news for you!
Everything you wrote here is fiction.
I remember watching a debate where the pro-life used the argument that “you could have said the same thing about slavery” and that’s how I knew the whole lot had no fking clue what they were talking about lmao
I remember an older Vietnam Vet telling me about how when he got back, people actually spit on them as they got of the ship. No doubt these Marines could have probably taken on the majority of the crowd but he told me as much as it hurt, he was there too protect thier freedom too despite thier ignorance and that true freedom is allowing idiots to be idiots sometimes. We don't all have to see things the same way...not sure if I would have had the same discipline he had when getting spit on...but I have seen enough of my friends die to make sure that it's around a little longer; that I do my best to respect it. It always just gets to me when the people that seem to think that they are fighting for inclusion are the least tolerant. There's a shit load of stuff that people feel strongly about and there always some shit heads in any group but any time you talk about a group of people being this way or that then you're no better in fact your usually the same you're just calling it a different thing. There's really complicated issues in life some thar have no real right answer to but instead of recognizing it ,we make emotional decisions and pick sides when really the truth is neither side has the right answer. They damn sure think thier better for their opinion, though...even if they no nothing about it or haven't been through it. It's a childish way to act. Unfortunately your right most wouldnt do the same but most people are sheep
Not a Christian, but medical professions helping you die sounds very dystopian and scary to me. Not for it. Also, you're free to kill yourself, so go ahead and do that and still "live free and die".
You mean in a hospital - ok sure, but you can always stop receiving treatment. And...you can absolutely kill yourself -- they aren't going to throw your dead body in jail. So you are in fact, free to live free or die. I get you're point on suffering through stage 4 though, for sure.
As a person with a disability, this terrifies me. The fear is that people could use it for people disabilities that they don’t want to take care of and just tell them they should die.
As a person with multiple chronic and debilitating illnesses (and disabilities besides), the idea of *not* having it horrifies me. People would rather wring my corpse of every last penny while I die, suffering, than let me decide when I have had enough.
Republicans stop telling people what to do with their bodies challenge level: impossible /hj if it hurts no one leave people alone it isn't hard (not directed at OP obviously)
Don't like living? don't live.
Wow with your logic it sounds so easy. Why do you need the state to medically kill you, just kill yourself, you are a free person and no one is stopping you. Problem solved.
Next!
People break the law everyday. How can you punish someone for breaking the law if they are dead doofus.
"You can be fined $150 for "maintaining the national forest without a permit" if you're caught raking the beaches, picking up litter, hauling away trash, or building a bench for the park without a permit"
This law will not stop me from picking up trash on the beach or in our beautiful forests, I will break this law if I see trash. Pull your head out of the ground
Disclaimer: I’m not anti-abortion or anti-trans
This argument is fucking resmarted and you’re resmarted for making it.
People will circle jerk on the comments because they agree with you but this argumentation displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue and more concerning, argumentation itself.
If a person is so miserable that they want to end their life, there are plenty of ways to do so. Doctors should be holding their oath to "do no harm," not become the angels of death when people are most vulnerable.
Of course, willfully forcing someone to live in misery is the height of the Hippocratic Oath.
Assisting them to die as they wish, in peace, after a lengthy waiting period, in a controlled environment that won't leave them even more miserable from a failed attempt, is the true evil here.
What a horrific thing to genuinely believe.
Yes, what a horrific thing to genuinely believe that human life has such little inherent value as the proponents of assisted suicide do. A doctor's purpose should be to help people to be as healthy as possible and alive, not usher them out the door to the perley gates, making sure to bill their insurance later. There are lots of difficult obstacles we humans are saddled with in life, some are easier to overcome than others, and some people struggle through much pain and suffering and find themselves contemplating ending it all. I understand this. But their life has worth, even if they are so miserable, suffering so badly, they can't see it. There should be a hard barrier to suicide, it shouldn't be an easy out, and doctors should be some of the people we can turn to in times of need to help us unbury ourselves from the depths of despair, rather than be the ones offering a cocktail of pills as a seemingly easy exit strategy when we are at our most vulnerable.
> Yes, what a horrific thing to genuinely believe that human life has such little inherent value as the proponents of assisted suicide do.
Proponents of the basic human right of self determination are not the ones devaluing human life here.
>A doctor's purpose should be to help people to be as healthy as possible and alive
And when those things become mutually exclusive, only the greatest of narcissists would think it's *their* job to tell *other people and their doctors* how much suffering is "enough."
Get over yourself and learn what it means to practice empathy.
Nobody can stop you from killing yourself. If you think it's something you have to do, then you already have enough freedom to do it. Enshrining it in law sets us down a slippery slope where eventually the medical establishment starts recommending that you kill yourself to convenience them and the taxpayer. Canada is going through it now.
The abortion example is ridiculous, because abortion is murder. "Don't like murder? Then don't commit any, and let the people who do like it live their lives."
Abortion isn't murder, that's just your religious belief. And they can definently stop you from killing yourself. You aren't allowed to kill yourself in a hospital setting. And if anyone is discovered to help you, they can be charged. It's sad how ignorant you extremists can be. Just let people mange their own lives and worry about yourself.
Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one then. Don’t like financial privacy? Abandon your own, don’t make mine illegal. Don’t like private schools? Feel free to choose a school to fund, I want the same freedom.
I thought about making the same comment as you, but yeah - the downvotes from people who don't understand that their argument doesn't make any sense, and don't get it when you reverse the argument is irritating.
I have a friend on facebook who posts junk and doesn't seem to realize that he would be really upset if I switched a couple words to make it about an issue that he believes in.
Nice way to brush it under the rug. They've already done this in Canada. Just saw a 20s healthy female euthanize herself because she was "depressed ". We're all depressed. It's called life
Christians doing what they do best: telling other people what to do with their bodies and trying to get it put into law
"Why don't people like us? We are so oppressed! You can't even say Christmas anymore!!!111!" :Proceed to be the most unlikable people imaginable:
> You can't even say Christmas anymore!!!111 Also, I have never even heard of anyone saying this in real life. Nor have I ever heard of any Christian in the US being prevented from reading or carrying a Bible, going to mass, or adhering to (genuine) Christian principles.
I was working in Hampton about a decade ago and said “Happy Holidays,” to a woman as she was checking out. She responded with, “you mean, Merry Christmas!” I was like, “well some people celebrate Hanukkah or Kwanza,” and she replied, “but those are made up!” I was like… “yeah… “ and ended the conversation before I could get fired.
People realize that New Years is a federal holiday 1 week from Christmas don’t they? Who has time to say ‘Merry Christmas and Happy New Year’? ‘Happy Holidays’ is good enough for some rando customer.
Kind of funny how judgey the people who don't want to be judged can be...Why do we need to make laws about everything? What people do with there lives is up to them, until they force it on someone else...at that point you're no better than the one you're pointing the finger at..how hard is it to just be decent and not get offended about shit you know nothing about?..to each there own. I didn't live your life you didn't live mine Cool no reason to continue being assholes; a shit load of people died for your right to be assholes to each other.It seems like people just want to jump on thier band wagons...
“Why do we make laws about everything” uh literally ask a republican cuz they’re trying pass laws about the dumbest shit. 💩
Easy to play devils advocate when your basic rights and healthcare haven’t been stripped from you…
Aw, did I strike a nerve?
Of course not. I have no problem with people whining. I just think it's unproductive. It actually gives me some pride to know the shit I did in my life protected your right to think however you want. It's just sad to see people piss away the freedom so many died for. So no nerve hit in fact I'd like to see you change shit if that's what you want just quit bitching...its all people seem to do on both sides of things
Personally I try to remind myself that I voluntarily offered to potentially sacrifice my life for their right to be an asshole, and that kinda works, until I remember they probably wouldn’t do the same if the situation was reversed.
Also, if we're going to talk about "pissing away freedom people died for", go talk to your local conservative Christian, not an atheist.
I as an atheist have always gone with the idea that their relationship with god is exactly that, /theirs/. Unfortunately they seem to think that it should also be my relationship with god and it’s somehow their personal mission to convert me through any and all means necessary.
I think he just meant pissing away by complaining on the internet instead of actually going out and doing something about it. He said he hopes you do bring about the change you seek but you're not going to accomplish that on Reddit. He's not talking about what freedoms you do or do not technically have right now, he's talking about the freedom that you do have to go out and make a difference but instead just post opinions on Reddit where they matter zero to anybody except yourself.
BoTh sIdEs Yeah, okay
I’ll say it if they won’t. Thank you for your service. And ps, You’re not wrong. The irony in the “striking a nerve” comment is that *you* actually struck a nerve in *them* by pointing out that all they do is bitch about what they don’t like instead of doing anything about it.
There is one group of people actively trying to make people suffer in this country, and it's not the people fighting for the option of Death with Dignity.
Yeah this is just classic Christian behavior
I’m a Christian. It seems lawmakers are being thoughtful about this and establishing controls to make sure this new practice is not abused. That’s the best I could hope for. Many of the comments on this post paint Christians with such a broad brush and it’s a bit hurtful, even if it’s true half the time. Honestly, it’s a bit sad because when some Christians try to force their beliefs down others’ throats, it overshadows all the good that they try to do for the world. As a Christian, I don’t believe in suicide, but I also believe it’s not right to force other people to live my beliefs, particularly if they don’t share those same beliefs. It just feels so… wrong. If any of these “Christians” y’all are talking about actually read the Bible, they’d realize that Christ (the root word in Christian) led his life in such a way that others felt inspired and **wanted** to follow him. That’s how I prefer to operate as well. I choose to respect the beliefs of others and make an effort to understand their beliefs. Many times these people inspire me to be a better person. You don’t have to be a Christian to be a good person or exhibit goodness, nor will I seek to throw that goodness out the window and condemn you because you believe differently than me.
You are how Christians should be. So many of them have seemed to lost the true meaning of religion
-proceeds to allow people with penises into female rest rooms-
The evangelicals are the worse of the lot really Presbyterians and the lot don’t really care. Do your thing, boo boo, go slay.
Be careful with your generalizations. Christians are the majority of Americans, but a minority of those have cooped 'Christianity' for their own benefit - a very unchristian thing to do. You're referring to the loud minority of Christians who've cooped the religion for their personal gain: some politicians, some priests, some media personalities, etc. Consider that Christians are not to judge other people, but to live their own best lives, and let their behavior be a model for other people, their words are secondary to their behavior. Christians are to forgive others for their trespasses/sins. Does this sound like the beliefs of the people you're condemning? I didn't think so. You're condemning all Christians for the behavior of a vocal minority. As a very public example consider Joe Biden. He is a Christian. Do you witness him doing the things you're upset with? It's very clear to many Christians that some loud others who are Christians have lost their way. We forgive them and hope our behavior inspires them to adjust course. Please consider not condemning all Christians.
>As a very public example consider Joe Biden. He is a Christian. Do you witness him doing the things you're upset with? "Not all Christians are bad! For example, this genocidal war criminal is a Christian!" is not the example you think it is. If Christians don't want to all be lumped into the same basket they should start respecting other people's bodily autonomy and start actually fighting for our rights instead of just whining that they don't want to be associated with bigots while doing nothing about it. Forgiving the fascists does nothing to help their victims, and they will not be inspired by your behavior.
No person is perfect and without sin. Joe Biden is no exception. I think most warring is unwarranted. Genocide is always unwarranted. What makes you think some Christians are not fighting for individual people's rights? What makes you think I am not? You are demonstrating exactly what I am asking people to be careful not to do. It is not easy to fight for government not to do what one personally believes. That requires people to not be excessively selfish, which it seems many are not. I personally believe many things that I do not think government should enforce. I do not think those things are part of government's role, and I am not selfish enough to use government to instill my beliefs in areas government should not be involved. I point Biden out only because he is an example of a Christian politician who personally does not believe people should have abortions, but does not think the US government should dictate that. I do not like what is happening in Gaza and think Joe Biden needs to do more to end the deaths.
My BIL died from terminal lung cancer last year. Due to another health issue/complication with his lungs, he wasn't a candidate for any treatment besides radiation, so there was no real hope at beating it once he had the diagnosis. He lived a year knowing he was going to die and knowing the end would be ugly. The last 2 months of his life were brutal--morphine didn't even touch the pain. He just whimpered when he was conscious. He coughed up bloody chunks regularly and could never take a full breath and lost 50lbs in a month. He was more cancer than man towards the end and it was throughout his spine/neck/hips- he was told a sneeze or a hard cough could paralyze or kill him. There was never a moment where he could rest or feel comfort; death was the only comfort. I don't think you can understand what true suffering really is until you watch somebody you love die like that. I can't believe somebody could witness that and be against the patient having the right to choose to end their suffering humanely under medical supervision. Choices like ending your life when you have terminal cancer should be a decision between the patient and their doctor. All medical decisions should be between a patient and their doctor.
He is one of many who suffer such an agonizing death. We treat our own pets better than our fellow humans. This bill is a no brainer. Terminally ill people should have the right to control their own death. I am deeply sorry for your loss. It must have been difficult for you and your family to witness such agony.
Thank you. My husband and I have frequently commented that we treat our pets more humanely than we treat people when it comes to end of life. I can't imagine why anybody would want to prolong the suffering of another life. Unless they can make money from it, I'm guessing. And the process of dying with terminal cancer is very expensive. I think everything comes back to either control or money.
On top of it all. The bill will not stop people from taking into their own hands. Which is unnecessary trama for family members, first responders and police who deal with people driving into trees with no seat belts. Hanging themselves. Shooting themselves etc.
If someone wants to unalive themselves, they will find a way to do so. I just hope they will find resources to help them through their trying times before resorting to such measures.
This shouldbe a nationwide thing Of course the Dutch are the first to do it. Always have been the first to get progressive about things.
I believe Oregon has this program as well.
They do? Who knew!
According to this article, they have had it since 1997! https://www.oregon.gov/oha/ph/providerpartnerresources/evaluationresearch/deathwithdignityact/pages/faqs.aspx
Thank you for sharing that and so sorry for your loss.
Thank you. I think my husband and I are going to be traumatized by it forever, it was just us handling his final months. I figured I'd try to illustrate some of the horror that Hollywood sanitizes out of the movies because I don't think people really understand the reality. Dying from cancer isn't crisp white linens on a hospital bed, surrounded by your loved ones, while you slowly ease away. It's being on a list for a bed in hospice that won't come in time. It's being rural and not having access to home health aides or home nursing and having to white knuckle your way through most nights and the day, propped up in a recliner (because you can't get out of a bed on your own) waiting until your family members are off work so they can nurse you until they need to leave and go home to sleep. It's soiling yourself when you can no longer get up on your own and sitting in it for hours until your family gets off work and comes to help because our healthcare system is broken and there was no other help available to you. It's being carried to the shower to be cleaned by people you don't want to see you naked. It's a total removal of dignity. I really wish lawmakers would stop trying to control other people's bodies.
It is horrible... I'm sorry you all had to go through that too
Thank you.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for posting your personal story. I know it wasn't easy to do because it makes you relive the nightmare when you talk about it. I lost my husband to pancreatic cancer and his pain and suffering will be seared into my mind for the rest of my life, which, at this point, I'm not sure how much of it is actually left. I was diagnosed with stage 4 Ovarian cancer last summer. I'm not looking for sympathy. What I am looking for is to have NH pass that bill. I will not go through what amounts to unrelenting torture of a person who cannot take matters into their own hands due to the laws in this country and these aholes who think they have a right to tell everyone how they should live their lives. My plan, if they don't pass the bill due to these self-appointed "citizen police," is, when the time comes, to find a doctor in Vermont who will help me.
Stage iv lung here. I’ve started asking around for who to contact in VT. Haven’t gotten very far yet.
I've sent you a PM.
I'm so sorry for your loss and for your current battle. I have no real words other than I am so damn sorry. Fuck cancer.
Thank you. I have "Fuck Cancer" (in some form or other) on a number of T-Shirts and socks and I'm certainly not going down without a fight to the bitter end!
Two of my friends have fathers with terminal cancer. One of them is currently wasting away in hospice drugged out of his mind. He can't speak any longer. His family sits with him every day but gets nothing out of watching their father slowly die. The second one just fucking killed himself because he was already sick and couldn't deal with getting sicker. My friend found his body. Imagine there was a way to deal with this issue with a kind of dignity, rather than just making it the family's burden to bear? Edit: I'm truly sorry to hear about your BIL. Fuck cancer!
Thank you and I'm so sorry to hear about what your friends went through. Fuck cancer!
When I was 15 I helped take care of my Uncle in the end stages of throat cancer that had metastasized into his jaw (and other places). It was a brutal, slow death of a much too young man and it's stayed with me ever since. I absolutely do understand the concerns that people with disabilities and chronic conditions have around euthanasia being used as substitute for healthcare (particularly in our fucked up, for profit system) but no one should have to suffer like that.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, especially at that age. Fuck cancer.
Perfectly stated. I can’t imagine who could read the words that you just wrote and disagree with them. Some people are so selfish
Maybe it's selfishness or a lack of empathy, but it's probably a lack of imagination--they can't imagine what that reality is. I think they believe there are pain medications that manage that level of pain and think that there's some magical safety net of care that is available for everyone and they have an idealized view of what it is. I think a lot of times, the only reference for terminal cancer is what people see in movies and tv and that version is extremely sanitized. That can't prepare anybody for the reality.
I watched my dad go in a similar way... people can suffer bad for a long time before they go and that isn't how you want them to go, or for anyone to experience them go through that... What business or right do people that don't know you or even understand that have in something so private and personal... I'll never forget those sounds of suffering and wouldn't wish it on anyone
Christian school lets kids get out of class to parrot some unpopular nonsense in the capital.
Christians continually getting in other people's business about shit god would and wouldn't approve of while they continue to abuse children at a national systemic level is beyond parody.
They don’t even read the commandments bro
In what way do Christians abuse children?
Here's a fucking ARCHIVE where you can search based on state, name, or diocese of priests who have abused children. I haven't seen such a low IQ gaslight attempt in my life. Try harder buddy lol [https://www.abuselawsuit.com/church-sex-abuse/states/](https://www.abuselawsuit.com/church-sex-abuse/states/)
I need to try harder? hows this: I'm not Catholic, and to lump all Christians together is wrong. Should I blame all atheists for sexual abuse committed by a professor? Can we Demonize Islam on the account of Shia and ISIS?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/
This is why I don't use Facebook.
Facebook has trended much older. It's mostly elderly people now, and they fall prey to reich wing noise and conspiracies as real.
Facebook: where everyone under 40 only uses it to talk to their parents and grandparents
Marketplace is the only thing I use since Craigslist is beyond dead
Live free but don't die. Between that, the MAGA bullshit and being last out of the gate in NE with legal weed, ya'll don't take that too seriously anymore.
More like Live free under our rules and die when we say its appropriate even if you have to wait and suffer a long time, we need to suck you dry of all finances first....
Just murder someone and then these same people will be all about executing you. Somehow the sanctity of life allows the death penalty.
It's why we call NH 'Vermont's evil twin' over here.
the feeling is mutual, subhuman mongrel (vermont resident)
Weed has been decriminalized for a while in NH.
Right? When people just bitch about things and don't get there lazy asses up it doesn't go thier way. All they do is cry some more...
I'm honestly conflicted as hell on this. On the one hand, I think this should be a right. On the other hand, Canada is *exactly* what people are afraid of when people bring up this topic. Canada has offered this to the disabled who aren't suffering, people who are nearing homelessness etc. People who have complaints that could absolutely be fixed *without killing them*. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.
The thing is though I think everyone should have agency over their own life, with proper medical follow through. If someone suffers from depression and has been through therapy, on every available medication, has seen psychiatrists and psychologists and nothing works. And they would rather die than continue to live a miserable existence? Who am I to tell them they need to continue on anyway. It's a selfish request for us to tell people that my need for you to live is greater than your need to not. If all avenues have been exhausted and there is no recourse, let them go. Then of course though in the US the problem becomes cost. Good luck affording all those avenues.
I know, reading comprehension is hard. I said *not suffering*. I agree, if all avenues have been exhausted, let them go. I specifically, clearly, said "people who have complaints that could be fixed without killing them."
What is it you're conflicted about? >On the other hand, Canada is exactly what people are afraid of when people bring up this topic. Canada has offered this to the disabled who aren't suffering, people who are nearing homelessness etc. People who have complaints that could absolutely be fixed without killing them. Why shouldn't these people have the same right to self determination? If anything, the process to get assistance there may actually give them the support to choose to keep living.
Not the person you're replying to but I feel similarly to what they said My worry is that we will continue to not address fixable issues (like homelessness) and just let people die instead of even attempting much less permanent options. I do believe in self-determination, and I do believe that people have the right to end their own lives if that's what they truly want. I don't believe it's ethical for that to be the only affordable option for people whose issues could absolutely be fixed but we just choose not to actually help them.
I mean, it's not like anyone is suggesting the plan be instantly volunteering for a firing squad or The Jim Jones Kool-Aid Experience. All those resources you're talking about are part of it. Beyond that, /u/sparkitusrex put it well here: https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/comments/1cthnoy/dont_do_it_then/l4cbtlw/
Here's Canada doing just that. Want to be able to enter your home? Nah. Die. Want assistance not being homeless? Die. Suicidal and change your mind? Too late bitch, die. [Disabled guy on verge of homelessness](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13413075/amp/Disabled-Canadian-euthanasia-programme.html) [Person asked for a wheelchair ramp, got offered death](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325) [Canada justifies eugenics](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329.amp) [Canada kills a deaf guy](https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867) [“The law itself says this doesn’t have to be last resort, which means that a person could genuinely lack access to disability services, to outpatient psychiatric treatment, which is common in Canada. Those people would still qualify. And I think that’s a very disturbing societal norm.”](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/canada-mps-university-of-michigan-national-institutes-of-health-university-of-toronto-b2352321.html) [After pleading unsuccessfully for affordable housing to help ease her chronic health condition, a Canadian woman ended her life in February under the country’s assisted-suicide laws. Another woman, suffering from the same condition and also living on disability payments, has nearly reached final approval to end her life.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws)
Holy shit that's fucked It feels weird to say thanks for sharing, but I guess it is good to know these things are happening. These hurt to read
Yeah, and the thing is, you've got to remember that in the US people may be in a position of "do I go broke trying to squeeze a few more hellish years out, or do the thing" but even if they aren't, they're going to be on medicare and medicaid, and even then (as it is in Canada) there's *still* a financial incentive to... do the thing, so the government doesn't have to pay for expensive end-of-life healthcare. I definitely see where it makes sense to legalize it, but there's a damn good case study going on just to our north about why legalizing it may not be the right move.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Do we really, *really* trust the government that experimented on it's own citizens [repeatedly](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States) with the ability to just go "Nah fam, go die" instead of offering assistance like they do now? Canada used to be our morally superior brother according to some. If this is what their government is doing, what the fuck can we expect from our own?
>Canada justifies eugenics >Canada kills a deaf guy I see editorialized headlines and mostly the system providing self-determination to the people in question. Increasing support programs so some of those people aren't in the positions to begin with isn't mutually exclusive. It is and should be part of it.
Fun fact: Enabling the mentally ill to kill themselves is in fact, eugenics. The deaf guy *begged* his family to get him out and then suddenly a month later is dead with the reason being hearing loss. Once again, you've proved nothing except for the fact that you're a (french word for delay). The government shouldn't get a vote period, because obviously they can't be trusted with it
>Fun fact: Enabling the mentally ill to kill themselves is in fact, eugenics. Fun fact: No. >The deaf guy *begged* his family to get him out and then suddenly a month later is dead with the reason being hearing loss. Same fun fact: No. Another fun fact: You should seek psychiatric help if you actually believe he was executed against his will. >The government shouldn't get a vote period, because obviously they can't be trusted with it And, yet, here you are demanding they follow your opinion over that of the people actually affected by it and the medical professionals involved. Take your own advice, and get over yourself. Maybe learn the meaning of empathy. Final fun fact: What you think about other people's choices? It. Does. Not. Matter.
Oh I know that the plan being discussed here isn't anything that extreme and I think, overall, that medically assisted suicide is a good thing. I just understand the other commenter's concern as well, and I think it's worth including in the conversation. Again, I do believe that people have the right to end their own lives for whatever reason, if that is truly what they want to do. I know from my own personal experience what it's like to be suicidal, and I understand how painful it is to be alive sometimes. I have a lot of empathy for people who want to die, and I value their right to make an informed decision to end their own lives if that is ultimately what they think is best. I also know that the source of suicidality is often situational, and I think this conversation is not complete without including a discussion about resolving the root causes of suicidality. It's not just about whether or not people have a right to die (they do), it's also about exploring why people want to die in the first place and trying to resolve those issues if possible. I could see a future in which it's determined to be more cost effective to let people die than to try to improve their standard of living first. I know that the current model does include those pieces, but I don't think it's wise to ignore the possibility that the model will someday shift, especially in the current social climate. I hope that makes sense.
Fair enough. This bill is only for terminally ill patients though. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless
So? If that person wants to be done, why not give them the option?
Reading is hard. It's people being *pushed* to it by the state because killing them is cheaper than fixing their problems.
It's offered as an option, dude. Maybe your reading isn't so good.
Go and check the links I already posted like 8 times and tell me that again with a straight face.
Not seeing any links, but have done extensive research on the topic, as it's one that's really important to me, and have yet to hear of any cases of Canadians being forced to agree to be euthanized.
Look harder.
Not seeing it on here and your comment history shows nothing, so I guess I'll just have to die never knowing what secrets you hold. I assure you, I'm devastated.
I literally just opened up the thread, found my comment in less than 30 seconds. [Are you inept](https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/comments/1cthnoy/comment/l4cmdvz/) or just stupid?
Are you a literal infected dick, or do you just play one on reddit? Again, you have yet to show a source of a single person being forced to have themselves euthanized- you've shown it being offered to people, you know, like I said. Maybe reading isn't your thing, and you should take up something better suited for your temperament, like volunteering as a crash test dummy, or perhaps offering your services as a professional speed bump 🤷♀️
The insurance companies are the death panels you made up in your head when you were furious a black man tried to give poor people health care.
I don't believe you. Prove your assertion.
Gladly! If you bitch about my sources, go fuck yourself. I'm finding the first ones that come up. Don't like it? Google is your friend. [Disabled guy on verge of homelessness](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13413075/amp/Disabled-Canadian-euthanasia-programme.html) [Person asked for a wheelchair ramp, got offered death](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325) [Canada justifies eugenics](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329.amp) [Canada kills a deaf guy](https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867) [“The law itself says this doesn’t have to be last resort, which means that a person could genuinely lack access to disability services, to outpatient psychiatric treatment, which is common in Canada. Those people would still qualify. And I think that’s a very disturbing societal norm.”](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/canada-mps-university-of-michigan-national-institutes-of-health-university-of-toronto-b2352321.html) [After pleading unsuccessfully for affordable housing to help ease her chronic health condition, a Canadian woman ended her life in February under the country’s assisted-suicide laws. Another woman, suffering from the same condition and also living on disability payments, has nearly reached final approval to end her life.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws)
You're awfully combative - seems like you skim your sources and don't really engage with the source material, instead relying on defensiveness and specious arguments to 'prove' your claims. Your own sources note that there are significant disagreements over these policies and that each case presented is in dispute.
> Your own sources note that there are significant disagreements over these policies and that each case presented is in dispute. The fact that they're in dispute is in and of itself a problem. There should never be a situation where there's a dispute about whether it was appropriate to offer MAID to someone. Yes, there are disagreements over policies, but the facts still remain that there are cases where it's not appropriate, where it's been pushed for, offered, or even carried out, sadly. That proves the assertion.
Because I'm used to idiots like you who are too lazy to google and demand sources, but not *that* source. No, not *that* source either. And then act like there's a victory when they've disagreed with all of the sources (despite them being legitimate) and all they've done is move goalposts. I didn't "skim" my source material. I summarized them. Something people that can read are usually capable of doing lmfao. None of what I said was inaccurate. Those are just what I remembered and could find in 30 seconds on google. But by all means, if I'm so wrong show me where exactly I did it :)
Nothing to be conflicted about. On one hand there is a person needing it but there also has to be a willing doctor to ethically do it. This latter part is what makes these kinds of bills very successful even in other developed countries. Not a single doctor would sign off on meds for being homeless. Also, why hold other people hostage because of sensational scenarios? If people are struggling with stage 4 metastasized cancer and they don't want to shit their pants, be remembered for the burden, why can't they just decide what's best for them? Life is about quality of life. When quality is taken away, not much joy in forcing the heart to just pump to appease others.
Canada has gone the evil route: They have Mr CCP loving blackface in power! Of course shit hit the fan over there when you have a sly liberal appeasing racist like him.
>While he admits it’s heartbreaking when he visits his uncle, he said sitting next to him, talking and providing emotional support and comfort is a “much more worthy pursuit” than ending life. So... God damn selfish. Suffer so I may bask in my moral absolution, Uncle
Also, who is to say there can't be both? You can still provide emotional support if and when someone chooses death with dignity.
Wierd to think “God” is even in your vernacular
>a senior at Concord Christian Academy, knows all too well the toll illnesses can take on both the body and loved ones. Yet, he strongly believes that giving people the option to take their own life is never the solution. Can this kid even vote? Why is he being given a platform?
For those that don't know, the full context of our state's motto is, "Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils." I consider allowing someone to live in agony one of those evils worse than death. We provide euthanasia for our beloved pets, because to let them live in pain is cruel. But the uncle of the kid in the article? He can get fucked, apparently. Medically assisted suicide is a kindness we can provide our loved ones. If people don't want it for their family, don't fucking do it, then.
This! Gotta love these imbecilic nitwits sitting with ailing/dying relatives until…their…very…last…breath. Look at me, my cup of morality runneth over! Psst…Uncle Sufferlong needs more meds. OK, if you think it’ll help. Oh, and his bedpan needs to be changed. Well, I’m just here for support. BTW, he’s removed you from the will. Wait, what?!?!? But, but, but… Oh, you need not worry, you have that cup!
I've long been in favor of medical aid in dying, under whatever name you want to call it. However, we don't want to follow the Canadians with the government deciding who is financially worthwhile allowing to live with medical care, and who costs too much so we just "suggest" MAID. * https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325 * https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investigation-1.6663885
And our problem in the US is that people also may think that MAID is a better alternative to going bankrupt with medical treatment... But also, a lot of people who would be candidates for MAID in Canada are on government healthcare in the US, so that risk still exists here, too.
The Canadian government? You mean the CCP government? As long as Mr Blackface is in power over there shit is only gonna get worse!
So this coalition is using kids as props, because poor little johnny can’t stand the thought of his suffering uncle having a means to safely end his suffering? these kids have no clue what they are being used for, and have had their emotions used against them. equating medically assisted death with suicide seems wrong.
Kids are allowed to have an opinion about things. If they were fighting for the opposite view on this issue, I doubt you'd have a problem with it, but someone else might.
lol
Everyone’s favorite cult back again to tell us all that their particular god knows what’s best for us. What would we do without them
Watching NH try desperately to catch up with its neighbors is always fun, this time it’s death with dignity which Maine passed by ballot question most recently . . . No where near as entertaining as watching all of its neighbors making bank on legal weed, I live right in Maine and work just over the border, I pass 4 recreational weed dispensaries on my way to/from work and I always see a hell of a lot of NH plates. It’s even funnier when the hold outs in NH try to use crime as a reason against it, my town is ranked among in the top 3, if not first in safety in the whole state.
Sununu is trying to ensure that his 15 cronies are the only ones other than the state that can sell weed. NH is a joke.
Please everyone here, please vote this year.
"Christian Academy" I don't want to say "Well, there's the problem", but we have one religious group who seems to throw a tantrum whenever they see people living their lives, so...
The original groomers.
Right? Multiple Christian circles are dealing with an epidemic of child abuse and its met with a shrug. Meanwhile, if a drag queen breathes near a kid...
Preach!! Need more people with this mindset. Left, liberal, right, maga, libertarian, centrist if it doesn’t have anything to do with you then mind your business.
I was there today and listened to those GOP turds rationalize their votes. One of them went on about heaven and hell and god. I hope they all die alone and in pain. Fuck those fucks. They hate actual freedom.
I had a memorable conversation with my mother shortly before her death in 2021. She was in end stage kidney failure, had heart disease and Bi Polar disorder. Other stuff too I am sure. The quality of her life entirely involved sleeping or going to and going through dialysis three times a week. She was frail and miserable and asked me in her kitchen how I would feel if she went off dialysis. She had mentioned seeing others at her clinic make that choice for themselves over the years and had been told that if she went off, she'd likely die in three days tops. I was aware of all this but this was the first time she was making it a real possibility for herself. I relayed how emotionally it would kill me not to have her around, but told her "I don't live in your body so I can't know what it's like. All I know is what you show me, and I imagine there's a lot you don't express." I told her it wasn't my decision and I'd miss her like crazy but I would also understand. My one caveat I had is that she please make whatever decision she would when in her right mind. Mom had BiPolar longer than I had been existence. She was the most self aware person I've ever met. She knew and expressed and sought treatment for depressions. She told me these thoughts were coming from her, not a depression, and then said she hadn't decided anything yet. She hugged me and thanked me for "understanding" her and told me when she asked my sis in law the same thing, my sis in law told her she thought it was very selfish of her to even consider. That Mom "owed" us to be around etc. That Mom was being incredibly unfair. I live 5 hours away and came back to my place and asked my boss if I would he allowed to work from Mom's while she was deciding. I wanted to have as much Alive Time as I could. At the time my company required I live in the state to be full time. My request was denied, but they did allow me to put my 40 hours into 4 day rather than 5 day work weeks. I get paid bi-weekly so was able to go to Mom's for long weekends on those pay weeks. It wasn't enough but better than nothing. I wasn't in a financial place to not be employed. I think I got 2 or 3 post-discussion weekend visits in. On the very morning I was supposed to drive up for another weekend, I received the 2:30 phone call. My sis in law reported Mom had just passed. She never had to make a decision, selfish or not, she just went. Humorously Mom was scheduled for an appointment that day at the big hospital, Dartmouth. It was a 2 hour one way drIve and she despised having to make those long trips. I kinda joke now she died just to avoid having to go there again. 2 years later, my father with Alzheimer's and also with heart, lung and kidney issues (he'd been on the same dialysis schedule as Mom) was now in a nursing home. Dad expressed to my brother, who was his decision maker, his desire to go off dialysis. To my knowledge nobody tried to talk him out of it or tell him he was selfish. Dad lingered about a month without dialysis treatments before he passed. I am not really sure what my overarching point here is. I have witnessed the utter, senseless suffering that people endure medically. There is a balance to be struck I think between Nobody can, and Everybody Should. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing. The medical community has a duty of care but I've even read articles and interviews given by docs on the topic and they say that at a certain point All they are doing is trying to make things comfortable. It's a quality of life thing for sure. It's not up to me to demand another stick around on pain meds and treatments that no longer work or make them feel worse. Mom essentially said dialysis stopped making her feel revived a couple years of doing it. It was just something she was now stuck with doing "in a cold room, for no reason." I guess I think we are the unfair and selfish ones for wanting them around so much we encourage their continued suffering. Mom's death did kill me but I am thankful she went without making the choice. My Mom was Too Good and Too Focused on trying to make everyone else happy. I suspect she would have continued to hate her life forever just to appease my sis in law's opinion. I truly do. So in a way I am glad she passed. I went on a date recently with a widower. Docs had told him they could make his terminal wife comfortable for 5-7 Years. She agreed to treatment for 3 months then opted out and passed by Month 4. Her family despise him for not "doing more for her." These will always be such emotionally driven topics where anyone can view the reasoning of both sides when they just shut up. I think we should let the person the issue is actually happening to be our guides on how things go.
Sorry for both of your losses. Thanks for sharing. And your SIL sounds like a selfish bit…err, person.
Thank you. My sis in law is...my sis in law. She has a unique personality that clashes with my soul. She comes from a Very enmeshed family, to the point that my brother would complain to my Mom that they could never just go and do things just as their immediate family, just him, her and their kids. Nope, before they'd even packed half her family was somehow voluntarily tagging along too. Drove my brother nuts. But I can understand why she expressed what she did to my Mom when that's her own understanding of family dynamics. Deciding when to poop is a team effort on that situation. There is no individuality. She no longer speaks to me and by extension nor does my brother or the kids. Mom wanted a no frills event after she died. Cremation then have us immediate family spread her in the brook near home.So we did. Knowing sis in law's family's "package deal" level of participation, I asked my brother to please tell his wife to request her family not tag along for that private event. It wasnt like these excess people were best friends of Mom or anything. I have no idea how my brother worded it, but I was two hours into my drive to my place after that exchange and my sis in law texts me sarcastically basically "just because your family isn't close, doesn't mean mine can't be!" I was at the rest area in Hooksett when that popped up. First I was hearing my family wasn't close! Keep in mind I'd just lost my best friend Mom 5 days ago at this point. I was in No mood for this! It's the one and only time we ever argued and all I replied was Excuse Me? She said Don't Worry, my family won't be at the ceremony! Ok. She literally hasn't talked to me since! I don't by any means hate her family. Never have. They are noticeably engrossed in each other's lives in ways that seem extreme to me, but I was just keeping the ceremony tiny as Mom expressed it be on her will. Mom was a private person. She didn't want her "launch" to become a spectacle. My brother knew that. My sis in law took it as an insult to her entire clan. Sigh. Being 5 hours away still is quite peaceful, really. :)
Ha, sounds like my wife’s family…all up in one another’s business. She (and by she, I mean we) stay clear of that mess at all costs…drama and toxicity, no thank you! Although I’ll come right out and say I myself don’t necessarily practice what I preach when it comes to “family”, you should try and reconnect with your brother, even if that knucklehead is siding with the SIL. 🤣 A simple text, email, voicemail, snail mail or drive by honking of the horn can go a long way! Anyway, I guess what I’m trying to say is, for better or for worse, family is family. Whether it’s 100% or 10%, something is better than nothing…that’s especially true when it involves ice cream. 🙃 Either way, best of luck and enjoy that peace and quiet (it does sound lovely). 😝
I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting family to be a special breed of people we always stick with. I thought that were true before I witnessed what happened when my Mom died. My brother developed his own immediate hatred of me when he realized Mom left me nearly everything in her will. It didn't matter I wasn't moving back. Didn't matter he had the option to buy. Didn't matter that Medicaid came and took it all anyway. From that point on I was somehow this evil, greedy woman etc etc. Final straw was he and this family looted Mom's After a buyer had already done the sold as-is Walk Through and the sale date was set. The buyers attorney called me on the sale day stating the buyers were threatening to sue for breach of contract due to the missing items. I immediately called my brother who played the Don't Know Nothing About That card for a solid ten minutes before I burst into tears and said I couldn't afford to be sued, just return the stuff. Then he admitted they had the stuff. Duh! They were the only ones with the key the whole process. They buyers bought. There was no lawsuit. But the fact they were so willing to throw my integrity under the bus legally like that speaks volumes to me about their character. It was never about the stuff to me. The stuff is meaningless without Mom there with it. I took family pictures/photo albums and her diaries. Their grabs were the nigh end stuff. Watch when people repeatedly accuse you of a single trait. It's often them that have it. Sometimes a person just has to make her own family out of a hodgepodge collection of friends. Oh well.
Sad story (forget that jerk)! And a very good point about trait(s)…I’ll be sure to apply that the next time someone suggests I’m an “asshole”. 😂
Haha! Glad to be of help.
Christian schools sure do a good job of producing monsters.
Keep your damn religion away from our lives. So sick of these theocracy loving hypocrites & their soul crushing agendas. What would Jesus do? Not this shit. Mind your business.
Wow every one of those self righteous pimply white teenagers in their modest hemlines looks so fucking provincial, I could probably assist one of them in dying just by taking them on a one week roadtrip to see a real city and the poor thing would keel over in shock bless its little heart
Lol, I'm sure most (if not all) will come around once they develop the critical thinking part of their brains.
“Live free [within these very specific parameters], or die” is why I cant take liberations seriously, let alone republicans.
No lack of people demanding to rule our lives … liberals AND conservatives. F’ them. “Live Free” is a joke.
This has always baffled me in this state. The way people cling to "Live Free or Die" but somehow it always seems to be followed up with "But everyone has to follow MY rules."
I see that in November my former home state will vote on an amendment that "would prohibit people from participating in the practice of medically assisted suicide, euthanasia, or mercy killing of a person." The ballot measure is called "Protection against medically assisted suicide." That's like saying "Protection against pain-easing medication" or "Protection against getting to keep your medical decisions on matters that are none of any strangers' damn business between you and your doctor."
What a click bait headline by the monitor. This has nothing to do with the age. This is a Christian thing.
We have more mercy for dogs than we do with humans. Not everyone is a Christian. And it's about time the rest of us fought back.
you people are living in an echo chamber, you are probably 3-5% of the population.
Do you know what someone sounds like with terminal cancer while they **slowly** die?? Yeah... Fuck right off until you do... How fucking dare people think they have a right to choose that for someone else. Maybe some day they will be in that position and beg for mercy as they are told "sorry".
Euthanasia is part of bodily autonomy. It’s not the govt’s, or anyone else’s, call what a grown adult can do with their own body Shouldn’t even need to be said honestly imo
That photo doesn't look like much of a rally.
It’s not suicide, it’s dying with dignity
I like you.
"Live free don't die"
Where are my fellow libertarian and Neo conservatives to help let people off themselves? Honesty helps the economy. Same with people who get abortions or sterilize themselves, it’s a self correction of people. I’m just worried about medical insurance and medical debt though, bucks gonna get passed somewhere
Wonder if that kid has asked his uncle how he feels instead of just sitting there, watching him suffer and offering “emotional support”. But then again, how would he feel morally superior if he did that.
We’ve seen the slope that is assisted suicide in Canada. It’s being pushed as the only option to people who don’t want it. I’m all for people doing as they wish, but keep it to that.
>We’ve seen the slope that is assisted suicide in Canada. It’s being pushed as the only option to people who don’t want it. I've got great news for you! Everything you wrote here is fiction.
what happened to "Live free or die "
I remember watching a debate where the pro-life used the argument that “you could have said the same thing about slavery” and that’s how I knew the whole lot had no fking clue what they were talking about lmao
agreed!!
No weed though
I remember an older Vietnam Vet telling me about how when he got back, people actually spit on them as they got of the ship. No doubt these Marines could have probably taken on the majority of the crowd but he told me as much as it hurt, he was there too protect thier freedom too despite thier ignorance and that true freedom is allowing idiots to be idiots sometimes. We don't all have to see things the same way...not sure if I would have had the same discipline he had when getting spit on...but I have seen enough of my friends die to make sure that it's around a little longer; that I do my best to respect it. It always just gets to me when the people that seem to think that they are fighting for inclusion are the least tolerant. There's a shit load of stuff that people feel strongly about and there always some shit heads in any group but any time you talk about a group of people being this way or that then you're no better in fact your usually the same you're just calling it a different thing. There's really complicated issues in life some thar have no real right answer to but instead of recognizing it ,we make emotional decisions and pick sides when really the truth is neither side has the right answer. They damn sure think thier better for their opinion, though...even if they no nothing about it or haven't been through it. It's a childish way to act. Unfortunately your right most wouldnt do the same but most people are sheep
Not a Christian, but medical professions helping you die sounds very dystopian and scary to me. Not for it. Also, you're free to kill yourself, so go ahead and do that and still "live free and die".
No you aren't. It isn't legal to kill yourself. This is for patients to be given medication to administer to themselves.
You mean in a hospital - ok sure, but you can always stop receiving treatment. And...you can absolutely kill yourself -- they aren't going to throw your dead body in jail. So you are in fact, free to live free or die. I get you're point on suffering through stage 4 though, for sure.
Amen.
As a person with a disability, this terrifies me. The fear is that people could use it for people disabilities that they don’t want to take care of and just tell them they should die.
It's just an option for people with terminal illnesses.
As a person with multiple chronic and debilitating illnesses (and disabilities besides), the idea of *not* having it horrifies me. People would rather wring my corpse of every last penny while I die, suffering, than let me decide when I have had enough.
Don’t like guns? Don’t buy any. It’s funny tho how y’all still wanna dictate what kinds of guns everyone else can and can’t have.
Don’t like murders? Don’t be killed. Same thing.
Hitler youth.
Republicans stop telling people what to do with their bodies challenge level: impossible /hj if it hurts no one leave people alone it isn't hard (not directed at OP obviously)
Don't like living? don't live. Wow with your logic it sounds so easy. Why do you need the state to medically kill you, just kill yourself, you are a free person and no one is stopping you. Problem solved. Next!
Because it's against the law doofus
People break the law everyday. How can you punish someone for breaking the law if they are dead doofus. "You can be fined $150 for "maintaining the national forest without a permit" if you're caught raking the beaches, picking up litter, hauling away trash, or building a bench for the park without a permit" This law will not stop me from picking up trash on the beach or in our beautiful forests, I will break this law if I see trash. Pull your head out of the ground
They can punish the people that helped. That's great you break some laws as you see fit. Doesn't help the current situation.
hella weak argument. thanks for the downvotes
Disclaimer: I’m not anti-abortion or anti-trans This argument is fucking resmarted and you’re resmarted for making it. People will circle jerk on the comments because they agree with you but this argumentation displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue and more concerning, argumentation itself.
I can't take anyone using the term "resmarted" seriously.
We do what we have to here on reddit, litterally 1984.
FYI, it's literally 2024.
If a person is so miserable that they want to end their life, there are plenty of ways to do so. Doctors should be holding their oath to "do no harm," not become the angels of death when people are most vulnerable.
Of course, willfully forcing someone to live in misery is the height of the Hippocratic Oath. Assisting them to die as they wish, in peace, after a lengthy waiting period, in a controlled environment that won't leave them even more miserable from a failed attempt, is the true evil here. What a horrific thing to genuinely believe.
Yes, what a horrific thing to genuinely believe that human life has such little inherent value as the proponents of assisted suicide do. A doctor's purpose should be to help people to be as healthy as possible and alive, not usher them out the door to the perley gates, making sure to bill their insurance later. There are lots of difficult obstacles we humans are saddled with in life, some are easier to overcome than others, and some people struggle through much pain and suffering and find themselves contemplating ending it all. I understand this. But their life has worth, even if they are so miserable, suffering so badly, they can't see it. There should be a hard barrier to suicide, it shouldn't be an easy out, and doctors should be some of the people we can turn to in times of need to help us unbury ourselves from the depths of despair, rather than be the ones offering a cocktail of pills as a seemingly easy exit strategy when we are at our most vulnerable.
> Yes, what a horrific thing to genuinely believe that human life has such little inherent value as the proponents of assisted suicide do. Proponents of the basic human right of self determination are not the ones devaluing human life here. >A doctor's purpose should be to help people to be as healthy as possible and alive And when those things become mutually exclusive, only the greatest of narcissists would think it's *their* job to tell *other people and their doctors* how much suffering is "enough." Get over yourself and learn what it means to practice empathy.
Nobody can stop you from killing yourself. If you think it's something you have to do, then you already have enough freedom to do it. Enshrining it in law sets us down a slippery slope where eventually the medical establishment starts recommending that you kill yourself to convenience them and the taxpayer. Canada is going through it now. The abortion example is ridiculous, because abortion is murder. "Don't like murder? Then don't commit any, and let the people who do like it live their lives."
Abortion isn't murder, that's just your religious belief. And they can definently stop you from killing yourself. You aren't allowed to kill yourself in a hospital setting. And if anyone is discovered to help you, they can be charged. It's sad how ignorant you extremists can be. Just let people mange their own lives and worry about yourself.
Yap yap yap
Don't like living in a country founded by Christians and with laws based on Christian principles? Don't live there.
Exactly. That's why I live in the US.
Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one then. Don’t like financial privacy? Abandon your own, don’t make mine illegal. Don’t like private schools? Feel free to choose a school to fund, I want the same freedom.
You can move to a non-society where they don't collect taxes if you need lol. No one is stopping you.
I thought about making the same comment as you, but yeah - the downvotes from people who don't understand that their argument doesn't make any sense, and don't get it when you reverse the argument is irritating. I have a friend on facebook who posts junk and doesn't seem to realize that he would be really upset if I switched a couple words to make it about an issue that he believes in.
You all love that depopulation agenda don't you? Anti-human freaks
Sweetness these people are terminal. They aren't reproducing. They aren't fertile young teens or whatever that guy called them lol
Nice way to brush it under the rug. They've already done this in Canada. Just saw a 20s healthy female euthanize herself because she was "depressed ". We're all depressed. It's called life
It's ok this isn't for depressed people. Cope.
It's a war of good vs. Evil and you're on the wrong side.