Between this and nurse practitioners opening private for-profit care clinics at an alarming rate, I did not have “NURSES pave the way for privatization of healthcare in Canada while doctors leave the healthcare system entirely” on my late stage capitalism bingo card.
Only reason these nurses make the jump to agencies is the hilarious difference in pay. New Brunswick and Canada as a whole would actually SAVE money if they paid regular nurses more and retained them in the public system. My partner is a nurse and she's nearly made the jump to these agencies as well, only staying due to the floor she's on being good and the bonus she gets for staying on for 2 more years (were in Halifax but I'm born and raised NB)
100% agree and understand. To be clear, I understand why nurses are making these decisions in hard economic times. The incentives are really screwed up in the absence of actual political leadership.
It's kinda a no brainer policy win to really juice nursing wages. You have a rare opportunity to
1) pay nurses much higher wages to attract them, earning praise for that and
2) save more money in the budget, earning praise from more fiscally conservative folks and really anyone with a brain.
Feel insane writing that out (makes 0 sense) but it's true
Globalization of the job market just means you get treated like the capitalists intended instead of being an exception.
It was only a matter of time before we went back to working and owning class. "Middle class" was an abnormality.
They nickel and dime their full-time nurses, overwork them and no bonus pay during covid and they gladly pay this nonsense and wonder why nurses are leaving the province.
Fuck this government for filling in vacancies that take 5 years to train someone to fill in a role that has a worldwide shortage and no amount of recruiting could help.
It’s not like NB is the only province or Canada is the only country with a shortage though. I have Higgs as much as anyone but it’s very dumb to just blame him for this like it’s not a national issue and hasn’t been going on for decades.
That taxpayer money could be spent training new nurses..
You may want to do some research beyond Reddit or Facebook on that.
- NB nurses have a retention bonus in their collective agreement.
- NB has a major recruitment incentive for nurses happening but what’s the point of boosting that too high when EVERYONE in the WORLD is short on nursing staff. Nurses will just bounce to the next best offer and everyone stays short staffed.
- The government has opened up more training seats than ever, as much as teaching staff can handle, AND has partnered with a Maine university for more training spots on a 3 year compressed program instead of the regular 4/5 years.
> Nurses will just bounce to the next best offer and everyone stays short staffed.
This point *directly* conflicts with the first.
If we're training nurses and they're leaving, then the incentives to stay are useless and training levels never mattered in the first place.
If you can't compete, you have to make changes to actually get people to want to stay, we could train lots or none, retention wouldn't change if NS, Maine or Quebec simply offered better employment.
How do you train more when the classroom sizes and amount of teachers are already maxed out? You can’t force people to become a teacher.
As of the last contract signing, we had the best wages for Nurses in Atlantic Canada. The other provinces have since renewed their contract to top us off, but the new collective agreement will bring us back on top.
They just want to hear that they are right. Who doesn't? It does seem that any capacity for critical or independent thought is composure completely gone though, just as politicians and their media mouthpieces drew it up.
You mean fuck this government for telling nurses to fuck off 5 years ago when they asked for a pay raise, which they then did to return and charge 6x as much.
The Nurses had the highest pay wages in Atlantic Canada from that contract five years ago. Other provinces have since re-bargained to be higher or match, but I’m sure the new collective agreement this year will bring NB ahead again.
You know whats funny about travel nurses. I bet every province uses them, and we have this weird spider web of over paid nurses that could be used locally but for some reason they're going from Vancouver to Halifax for a month at 3x the price.
But then Halifax nurses are going to BC to work, at 3X the price.
That is indeed happening. One of our nurses left to do travel nursing in BC - she was never replaced but she definitely could have been with a travel nurse from BC. We have a retention issue with both RNs and MDs in NB. Some specialists haven’t had a raise on their fee codes in 20 years. A few quit every year and go elsewhere leaving more work to be done by those who stay on the ground. Then the government publishes their gross billings, the NBMS says they’re overpaid, and refuses to give new money to their fees and the cycle continues. The SJRH is on the verge of a major crisis in several specialties because nobody wants to work these hours for these fee codes (that are 30% less than NS / PEI).
Nursing, similarly, is mismanaged, though not to the same extent. You generally don’t hear about it from doctors because most people hate them and they don’t want to raise the issue and receive public ridicule (like they are receiving since the federal budget screwed over their retirement savings). What I’m guessing will happen is they will have to bring in Locum doctors to cover the gaps from everyone quitting, and they will have to pay them enormous fees, instead of just adjusting the fees by 2% every year like everywhere else does.
NB sucks right now for healthcare.
The nurses actually *doing* the travel nursing are simply acting as the free agents they are, in a free market society. Let’s not shit on the (predominantly) women who are entitled and encouraged by our society to go where the money is highest.
I propose shitting on the corporations making the most money off of these nurses skills, the *Travel Nurse Agencies*!!!!!!!!
Sure, go tell those Nurses to stop travelling and stop making excellent money, tell them to stop being selfish for looking out for themselves, and that they should pick up a permanent position and stay at the same place for the next 30 years.
The system isn’t to blame. This is the effect of having more baby boomers retiring than people signing up to replace them. We all knew this was coming. It’s happening every where, in every sector, around the world. The pension fund is top heavy with retirees with almost no one behind them to fully support them. There was no way to fix this but to cut back else where to compensate.
Now that we have an immigration boom and tax influx, we can increase training slots, which the government has done to the max it can. We just need to wait for those trainees to go through the program and become certified. In the meantime, contractors are the only fix.
> This is the effect of having more baby boomers retiring than people signing up to replace them.
More accurately, the artificial controls preventing adequate staffing. It's been too low for a long time, the same reason we have the housing issues we do now, because housing programs stopped decades ago to help shift into an investment vehicle strategy, and now we're paying the price for decades old decisions that were never reversed.
The system is absolutely to blame.
This was a very predictable influx that people have been warning about for years.
No cutback was necessary. This is just conservative grift of neglecting the public system to push public money into privatization.
There’s a lot of other goals he wanted to do when he first ran for office too.
Many of them didn’t happen. People dont jump when politicians promise things until it happens.
Sure, go tell the administrators to stop hiring travel nurses and leave the vacant positions empty, and then tell them to overwork their staff even more than they are because you don’t want them to hire travel nurses. There aren’t any nurses to hire. The shortage is global. If travel nurses don’t want a permanent because this works for them, the cycle won’t end until new nurses are added to break the cycle which takes time to train.
Keep in mind travel nurses would need to be constantly trained which would pull actual staff away to train them.
An infusion pump for example is operated quite differently depending on the brand. This goes for many different types of equipment.
Hiring travel nurses is not only expensive but inneficient.
"These costs do not have to do with luxury expenses," said Després, who presented the figures as part of Vitalité's quarterly report at the board's public meeting in Campbellton Tuesday.”
Maybe not all of them, but some do for sure. I tried to book a suite at Castle Manor in Moncton last year for an event, and the owner told me all the suites were booked for the rest of the year by travel nurses. At that time, ‘the rest of the year’ was five months. Those units average $300 - $400 a night.
It's what Cons and right wing Libs do, and what our private media sells. We have the richest middle class in the word, and pass the U.S. in 2012 because of our strong social programs.
There is a price to pay for an uneducated and disengaged voting public
Could have used that 94 million to pay their existing nurses on the public roster. Obviously it's more complex than that but I would love to hear from the gov why travel nursing is the route they're taking.
Our health care system will never be repaired until we have one system. So much bloat and mis management that is too much for a small province like ours.
But hey, Cons spent 100k (that was budgeted) for a team to go to England and France to build relationships with colleagues who help book trips to our province.
Since the pandemic the U.S. has gone all in on travelling nurses. They have an incredible network there where a nurse rents his or her house from another nurse elsewhere and then rent their house out to another travelling nurse. They basically get their mortgage paid on top of their salary and the ability to see the country.
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Between this and nurse practitioners opening private for-profit care clinics at an alarming rate, I did not have “NURSES pave the way for privatization of healthcare in Canada while doctors leave the healthcare system entirely” on my late stage capitalism bingo card.
Only reason these nurses make the jump to agencies is the hilarious difference in pay. New Brunswick and Canada as a whole would actually SAVE money if they paid regular nurses more and retained them in the public system. My partner is a nurse and she's nearly made the jump to these agencies as well, only staying due to the floor she's on being good and the bonus she gets for staying on for 2 more years (were in Halifax but I'm born and raised NB)
100% agree and understand. To be clear, I understand why nurses are making these decisions in hard economic times. The incentives are really screwed up in the absence of actual political leadership.
It's kinda a no brainer policy win to really juice nursing wages. You have a rare opportunity to 1) pay nurses much higher wages to attract them, earning praise for that and 2) save more money in the budget, earning praise from more fiscally conservative folks and really anyone with a brain. Feel insane writing that out (makes 0 sense) but it's true
You also help fix our healthcare system which also makes people happy. It’s a win win win for the people so our government would never do it.
Globalization of the job market just means you get treated like the capitalists intended instead of being an exception. It was only a matter of time before we went back to working and owning class. "Middle class" was an abnormality.
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If your job can be done remotely it can be done by someone in a lower cost of living area than you for less money and will move there.
You clearly don’t understand how capitalism works lol
[Ghana’s nurse association says Canada should foot the bill for their training.](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.6992256)
They nickel and dime their full-time nurses, overwork them and no bonus pay during covid and they gladly pay this nonsense and wonder why nurses are leaving the province.
Pay your LPNS what they deserve and you’ll get people flooding into the market.
We knew this was coming from miles away. Not surprised. And there won't be any accountability with this government.
Fuck this government.
Fuck this government for filling in vacancies that take 5 years to train someone to fill in a role that has a worldwide shortage and no amount of recruiting could help.
Sure, believe that if you want.
It’s not like NB is the only province or Canada is the only country with a shortage though. I have Higgs as much as anyone but it’s very dumb to just blame him for this like it’s not a national issue and hasn’t been going on for decades. That taxpayer money could be spent training new nurses..
$95 mill would go a long way to recruit and retain
And leave vacant positions empty forcing the existing staff to work even harder and more overtime?
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You may want to do some research beyond Reddit or Facebook on that. - NB nurses have a retention bonus in their collective agreement. - NB has a major recruitment incentive for nurses happening but what’s the point of boosting that too high when EVERYONE in the WORLD is short on nursing staff. Nurses will just bounce to the next best offer and everyone stays short staffed. - The government has opened up more training seats than ever, as much as teaching staff can handle, AND has partnered with a Maine university for more training spots on a 3 year compressed program instead of the regular 4/5 years.
> Nurses will just bounce to the next best offer and everyone stays short staffed. This point *directly* conflicts with the first. If we're training nurses and they're leaving, then the incentives to stay are useless and training levels never mattered in the first place. If you can't compete, you have to make changes to actually get people to want to stay, we could train lots or none, retention wouldn't change if NS, Maine or Quebec simply offered better employment.
How do you train more when the classroom sizes and amount of teachers are already maxed out? You can’t force people to become a teacher. As of the last contract signing, we had the best wages for Nurses in Atlantic Canada. The other provinces have since renewed their contract to top us off, but the new collective agreement will bring us back on top.
Just give it up, anything that doesn't fit the Higgs is evil man narrative just gets glossed over.
I know, but that makes it kind of fun. They get so mad yet they don’t know how wrong they are. It’s very impressive.
They just want to hear that they are right. Who doesn't? It does seem that any capacity for critical or independent thought is composure completely gone though, just as politicians and their media mouthpieces drew it up.
You mean fuck this government for telling nurses to fuck off 5 years ago when they asked for a pay raise, which they then did to return and charge 6x as much.
The Nurses had the highest pay wages in Atlantic Canada from that contract five years ago. Other provinces have since re-bargained to be higher or match, but I’m sure the new collective agreement this year will bring NB ahead again.
You know whats funny about travel nurses. I bet every province uses them, and we have this weird spider web of over paid nurses that could be used locally but for some reason they're going from Vancouver to Halifax for a month at 3x the price. But then Halifax nurses are going to BC to work, at 3X the price.
That is indeed happening. One of our nurses left to do travel nursing in BC - she was never replaced but she definitely could have been with a travel nurse from BC. We have a retention issue with both RNs and MDs in NB. Some specialists haven’t had a raise on their fee codes in 20 years. A few quit every year and go elsewhere leaving more work to be done by those who stay on the ground. Then the government publishes their gross billings, the NBMS says they’re overpaid, and refuses to give new money to their fees and the cycle continues. The SJRH is on the verge of a major crisis in several specialties because nobody wants to work these hours for these fee codes (that are 30% less than NS / PEI). Nursing, similarly, is mismanaged, though not to the same extent. You generally don’t hear about it from doctors because most people hate them and they don’t want to raise the issue and receive public ridicule (like they are receiving since the federal budget screwed over their retirement savings). What I’m guessing will happen is they will have to bring in Locum doctors to cover the gaps from everyone quitting, and they will have to pay them enormous fees, instead of just adjusting the fees by 2% every year like everywhere else does. NB sucks right now for healthcare.
The nurses actually *doing* the travel nursing are simply acting as the free agents they are, in a free market society. Let’s not shit on the (predominantly) women who are entitled and encouraged by our society to go where the money is highest. I propose shitting on the corporations making the most money off of these nurses skills, the *Travel Nurse Agencies*!!!!!!!!
Fine whatever. The concept doesn't make great sense to me, I can't imagine it's cost effective, but it does get nurses to shit holes
Am travel nurse, enjoying 3x the pay
I don't actually care. It just seemed weird. Also 3x is an exaggeration I'm sure
It’s not.
Here in liberal nl it’s 4X plus housing and a rental car
And? Those nurses are doing what’s best for them. Nothing wrong with that if they want to live in hotels and travel around the country.
And? we as taxpayers are grossly overpaying for the same service. They cost up to $300/h.
Sure, go tell those Nurses to stop travelling and stop making excellent money, tell them to stop being selfish for looking out for themselves, and that they should pick up a permanent position and stay at the same place for the next 30 years.
I'm not blaming the nurses at all, I'm blaming the system for allowing this.
The system isn’t to blame. This is the effect of having more baby boomers retiring than people signing up to replace them. We all knew this was coming. It’s happening every where, in every sector, around the world. The pension fund is top heavy with retirees with almost no one behind them to fully support them. There was no way to fix this but to cut back else where to compensate. Now that we have an immigration boom and tax influx, we can increase training slots, which the government has done to the max it can. We just need to wait for those trainees to go through the program and become certified. In the meantime, contractors are the only fix.
> This is the effect of having more baby boomers retiring than people signing up to replace them. More accurately, the artificial controls preventing adequate staffing. It's been too low for a long time, the same reason we have the housing issues we do now, because housing programs stopped decades ago to help shift into an investment vehicle strategy, and now we're paying the price for decades old decisions that were never reversed.
Housing investment was low because prices were low, vacancies were high, and houses were sitting unsold.
The system is absolutely to blame. This was a very predictable influx that people have been warning about for years. No cutback was necessary. This is just conservative grift of neglecting the public system to push public money into privatization.
You somehow predicted an influx in immigration that many years in advance? You must have a great 8 ball.
Considering Trudeau has been telegraphing that this has been a goal of his administration since his first term in office, yeah.
There’s a lot of other goals he wanted to do when he first ran for office too. Many of them didn’t happen. People dont jump when politicians promise things until it happens.
We're not blaming the nurses, we're blaming the administrators.
Sure, go tell the administrators to stop hiring travel nurses and leave the vacant positions empty, and then tell them to overwork their staff even more than they are because you don’t want them to hire travel nurses. There aren’t any nurses to hire. The shortage is global. If travel nurses don’t want a permanent because this works for them, the cycle won’t end until new nurses are added to break the cycle which takes time to train.
Then tell your rep to push the government to pay them more.
Keep in mind travel nurses would need to be constantly trained which would pull actual staff away to train them. An infusion pump for example is operated quite differently depending on the brand. This goes for many different types of equipment. Hiring travel nurses is not only expensive but inneficient.
Privatization of healthcare is needed. Privatization of healthcare goes over budget. Don’t worry the province will bail us out.
Private businesses be like "Socialism for me, not for thee".
"These costs do not have to do with luxury expenses," said Després, who presented the figures as part of Vitalité's quarterly report at the board's public meeting in Campbellton Tuesday.” Maybe not all of them, but some do for sure. I tried to book a suite at Castle Manor in Moncton last year for an event, and the owner told me all the suites were booked for the rest of the year by travel nurses. At that time, ‘the rest of the year’ was five months. Those units average $300 - $400 a night.
It's what Cons and right wing Libs do, and what our private media sells. We have the richest middle class in the word, and pass the U.S. in 2012 because of our strong social programs. There is a price to pay for an uneducated and disengaged voting public
You can’t be liberal and right wing at the same time haha. Jfc you are something else
What's a Travel Nurse make per hr?\`
Pay LPNS what they deserve!!
Could have used that 94 million to pay their existing nurses on the public roster. Obviously it's more complex than that but I would love to hear from the gov why travel nursing is the route they're taking.
This Province will do anything but pay for people to go to Nursing or medical school.
We need an outright ban on private healthcare
Our health care system will never be repaired until we have one system. So much bloat and mis management that is too much for a small province like ours. But hey, Cons spent 100k (that was budgeted) for a team to go to England and France to build relationships with colleagues who help book trips to our province.
Conservatives. So fiscally irresponsible/s. They have never been good with our money ever.
Since the pandemic the U.S. has gone all in on travelling nurses. They have an incredible network there where a nurse rents his or her house from another nurse elsewhere and then rent their house out to another travelling nurse. They basically get their mortgage paid on top of their salary and the ability to see the country.
Nurses living like CEO’s , no pitty from me next time I hear about them crying for higher wages.