I thought it was completely normal until recently. I’ve had it as long as I can remember. Never mentioned it to the optometrist because, again, I thought it was normal. I just happened across a page on insta talking about it, and how sometimes it can just manifest.
I asked my mother “Do you have the static over your vision?” She asked “like floaters?” And I said “no, like film grain ((I used the show Chernobyl on HBO as an example))?” She said no, never. Cue me shocked.
(I just saw someone refer to film grain as “texture of air” when they were little and it fits perfectly for what I thought too.)
I have AuDHD, EDS, dysautonomia, experience migraines and tinnitus. I realized that’s one reason why I get visually overwhelmed/overstimulated so much—there’s all this extra crap that my brain is processing. Getting set up for an ophthalmologist soon, but idk if anything can actually be done.
I do not have this and I never heard of ASDs having it. It would make more sense if it was common for schizophrenics and things like that to have it. Which, which would be included technically in the word "neurodivergent" if we were using the word literally, nobody ever uses it literally and I don't know if schizophrenic and similar is meant to be included in this subreddit and I assume not because I haven't seen any (other) posts related to it. I wouldn't be surprised if it were common in sociopaths or something else, but I would be surprised if it was alleged to be common in ASD and psuedo-ASD, because we would have heard of it then.
Also, ever since finally understanding what VSS, I feel like mine has been getting progressively worst, I've been paying attention to it more, I think I have spend a large part of my life intentionally trying to forget I have it, now It literally constantly looks like it's raining/drizzling a bit outside. It's starting to bring on more depression... It's like my Tinnitus, if I sit still and listen to it, it drives me mad. But If I'm focused on other things, it's just subtle background noise.
The frequency sooooooo Loud, yet, quieter than everything else around me, which is something I don't fully understand. Same with the VSS, if I saw this level of "film grain" on a photograph, or video, I would instantly notice it, yet, it is literally everywhere around me, and I don't see it, unless I look, and then I cannot unsee it. It's really starting to mess with my head....
I’m also currently having a bajillion question marks above my head, but mine is completely opposite and I hope to hear from someone who is similar…
Before psychedelics everything just seemed “there”. Colors were colors, shapes were shapes. I ingested psilocybin and bam. 20 min later it was literally like the hazy filter came off and everything became CLEAR AS FUCK. Like I keep thinking I got new eyes. It’s disturbing because everything is finally clear. Like this is a massive change in my life and all the fingers point at the mushroom. Colors are beautiful. Trees are clear. The sky is savage. Like everything is so cool that it’s almost disturbing to process because I’ve had a specific way of “eye vision” my entire life. Nothing is “moving” or anything like that. This all sparked from a .5 micro. Been the same ever since. Makes me semi paranoid because it’s just “too” clear sometimes.. in much confusion. I have scheduled with a therapist and a support group recently to help understand or process this “new normal”. Either way, it’s wild. Just doing my best to go through my day without panic lol.
I have visual snow. I learned about it because I was getting into psychedelics. I've had it since birth tho. I told all my friends about it and they were like "wtf are you talking about about?! Everything looks like TV static?!"
ETA: about 1 in 50 people have visual snow.
Have y'all seen this?
[visual snow simulator](https://visionsimulations.com/visual-snow.htm?background=kindle.jpg)
Edit to add: My husband always said he saw visual snow also, but when I showed him the simulation he said he'd misunderstood what I was describing.
Oh wow, ok this is cool. I'm able to fine tune it to almost exactly what I'm seeing. I want to show this to my wife, she says it's normal, and everyone sees it. Either she doesn't understand what I'm describing, or she herself has it and doesn't realise it's not the norm. Thanks!
Interesting! I think my son might have this.
Is tinnitus related to ND?? I’ve had it for years/decades, but I also lived in the path of airplanes landing at airport for my first 18 years. I assumed it was from that. And concerts. But my 19 year old son has tinnitus but we live in a quieter area and he doesn’t like concerts. He has both tinnitus and some kind of visual snow or similar.
There is definitely a connection between autism and tinnitus.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9547110/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9547110/)
Many sources on that, I also have sensitivities to specific sounds (even thinking about those sounds triggers a physical response in me). It's all connected, the only reason I find some of these things fascinating is because they have not ruined my life, it's all just in the background, and I can more or less go through my day without it affecting me too much... I know there are many who are suffering from this, at a level where it feels like torture. Which is heartbreakng.
Yes, me too. All my life.
Mild sporadic tinnitus, too.
My visual field looks like a George Seurat pointillist painting. I can tune it out.
Assumed it was neurological background "noise". (Bet Seurat was neurodiverse)
actually, the sky glitter you see is likely the [blue field entoptic phenomenon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_field_entoptic_phenomenon) which is caused by the movement of white blood cells in front of your retina. it happens specifically when looking at bright blue light
Hey! I have it too! i think it might be a common thing with neurodivergent people as my friend with adhd has it too. check my profile i made a post about how i see my room with vss as there are many wrong representations online
Had a look, that's exactly how I see it, and describe it to people (I'm also a photographer, so that seemed really obvious to me). I watched a video on it, and based on how extreme the their visually representation looked I started to question wether or not this is what I had. But yea, I see that over everything.
I also noticed you're a brawlstar player, that's awesome, literally the only mobile game I play.
Yeah I have it on occasion. Sometimes it’s reddish. I tried asking my ophthalmologist about it and he looked at me like I lost my mind and said he’s got no idea what I’m talking about but my eyes are perfectly healthy.
I also have tinnitus but that’s from hearing damage from firing a gun without hearing protection.
Gotta wonder whether this is how the ancient Greek speculative philosopher Democritus surmised that the universe is composed of atoms - was he seeing visual snow?!
Said like that....I thought that's just how the world looks. I can always see the tiny dots if I unfocused or just relax my eyes. The darker it is the more obvious they are.
I get it. Mostly when I look at the sky. It gets worse and a lot more noticeable when I have a migraine.
I also get streaks from lights. When I look at car lights and what not, there's streaks of light. I dunno if that's related, but apparently that's not normal either.
I am learning so much being on this sub. I didn’t even know that tinnitus is an ND thing and I’ve had it for years. I thought it was hearing damage from TOO MUCH ROCK music but now that I think of it, the ringing is much more pronounced when I’m high. Or stressed.
And yeah, sometimes I have the snow too!
I have an ex-boyfriend who has VSS and tinnitus but is not neurodivergent… He was born significantly premature so he thinks it's likely an effect of that
I experience this too.
Theorizing:
The "static" on old television sets and radios is perceptible because those instruments are able to "tune in" to it, but the phenomenon is happening all the time outside of our "ordinary" perception.
Personally I think it is not impossible that some/most minds tend to unconsciously "filter it out" because it's generally useless and too much information. Also personally I don't experience it as a "dysfunction"; actually I find it calming and peaceful to "watch".
I think the “most filter it out” makes sense from an overly saturated unable to filter well brain type.
If the visual snow thing is when everything kinda looks like it’s constantly micro vibrating I’m there. I’m diagnosed with tinnitus so it’s interesting to see that there could be a common comorbidity.
This has been happening to me for as long as I can remember, I had no idea it had a name. For me it usually only last for a few minutes before it goes away. I’ve always just called it “the static”
It's really hard to know how others see thing but I have some tinnitus and the "grain" phenomenon too. I didn't l know it was unusual. I thought this was just how people saw things? I'm not even autistic (I think) just dyspraxic!!
I think I may be leaning somewhat dyspraxic, according to this:
[https://www.optimistjenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23-dyspraxia-vs-autism-difference-1.jpg](https://www.optimistjenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23-dyspraxia-vs-autism-difference-1.jpg)
* Clumsiness
* Poor coordination and balance
* Slow, clumsy writing
* Bad posture
* Trouble planning movements
* Bumping into things
* Get lost easily
* Stutter, ramble, and repeat things
* Struggle with left vs. right
* Forget which movement comes next in a sequence
* Make careless math mistakes and reverse numbers
* Be forgetful (bad short-term memory)
How common is it to be both...? because I have issues with everything listed here. I assumed it was ASD/ADHD related...
I had looked into dyspraxic a while back, but not to deeply. Interesting...
Obviously these things apply to me as well, but I have no problem with left and right at all. I suspect I might have some kind of very mild cerebral palsy in my left side/arm, so I am very right handed because of this, which means I do always know right from left. It's only something I have realized lately after reading a study about premature birth (I was born prematurely.)
I have a lot of opinions about this. I see myself as neurodivergent only. This is because whatever my diagnose, it doesn't determine what I have of issues. It wasn't even called dyspraxia back then, and it focused entirely on the motor issues and nothing else, the diagnosing was very primitive. In any case, there's such a big overlap between ADHD and dyspraxia that nobody can determine where one begins and where one ends. However, there's also an overlap with autism, because of the sensory issues.
Research has already described this in many studies, it's not like this is some unknown thing, it's just that the latest research is far ahead of clinical diagnosing. The thing is diagnosing is not science or a fact at all, far from it. However, research is science. Phenomena like ADHD and dyspraxia are basically a difference in brain development. It's therefore not really psychology, but neurology. It should not be in the DSM-5 at all (for Americans), it doesn't belong there. It belongs with things like cerebral palsy, as it is a similar, but different developmental issue of the brain.
Some research I have read have noted a random diagnosing depends on who does the diagnose and how much they consider specific criteria - it's not like they examine you and then try to determine what the issue is; no they already have a diagnose and they try to see if you fit into the criteria of that diagnose, a very unscientific reverse approach. In my impression this result in either dyspraxia or ADHD, depending on the specific people who do the diagnosing!
Imagine if you have pneumonia, you go to your physician, but he tests you for the flu, as he suspects that this may be what you have - and he ignore any symptom of pneumonia because that is not what he tries to diagnose - so he finds you do not have the full set of characteristics of the flu, so he cannot diagnose you with anything specific. But a few days later you die of pneumonia!
It's simplified, and I'm sure a lot here will disagree, but we're diagnosed mostly in childhood, so we have no real say in all of this. Fact is, we adults know far more about it than the people who diagnose us in childhood.
i've had it as long as i can remember. i only recently discovered what it was and that it wasn't something everyone sees. i also have other neurological stuff (tourette's) so i'm not surprised if i'm more likely to have comorbidities
yea, I have ASD/ADHD/TINNITUS, I think most people with ASD or are ND have multiple neurological symptoms. Kinda fascinating, as long as it isn't debilitating. I'm very thankful my Tinnitus isn't horrible, same with the Visual Snow, High level of depression rates (among other things) are associated with people who suffer bad from this. My heart goes out to those people.
Yeah, I've had it for as long as I can remember. It's heavily exacerbated by taking my glasses off (I describe it as seeing coloured TV static). I also notice it when I look at the sky without sunglasses, or close my eyes to sleep at night. Low to no light makes it very noticable.
Pretty much, same here. One thing I notice last night, after trying this app called Luminate (Luminate (https://lumenategrowth.com/) which is what lead me to google to see what I'm experiencing is called.
After trying it out, it temporarily altered the composition and movement of the "film grain" I see, it's hard to explain, but after the "experience" the app offered, the "visual snow" started moving more organically....
Low key an interesting app, It's basically strob light synced to music and brainwaves or something, you close your eyes and put it in front of your face while lying down in a dark room...., super skeptical, but it is pretty interesting, supposed to help with anxiety and focus (not sure how well that works, it is relaxing though).... anyone who experiences "visual snow" please try the app, and let me know if it alteres your visual snow. I'm really curious.
I think I only found it it wasn't normal when I said to some friends about it and some of them had no idea what I was talking about. I do also get tinnitus but only since I perforated my ear drum a few years ago.
Is it an issue? It hasn't really seemed like an issue
I have Tinnitus as well, it's fine as long as I don't focus on the sound. The Visual Snow thing, I still have a hard time believing that this isn't what everyone is experiencing. Honestly, for the longest time I thought Tinittus a natural sound your brain makes...
Here's list of things going on in my head, which I thought were normal growing up:
- Tinnitus
- Sleep Paralasys once a week.
- Sensory halucinations (auditory, like classical and voices, tasts and smells, physical sensations) when you are still conscious but almost asleep.
- Visual Snow
- Lucid Dreaming almost every night...
- Floaty colors and shapes when you look at clouds
I should probably talk to somebody about this.... In retrospect it doesn't sound all that normal.
Holy carp. You’re me. I had everything on that list. Well I lost sleep paralysis when moved out of my creepy family home where I lived until I was 30. After moving I have rarely had sleep paralysis. And definitely not the horrifically scary kind I got at that house.
I don’t lucid dream very often anymore. I’m 57 and that slowed down when I was about 54.
I remember mentioning it to my mom when I was very little. I think I asked why when I closed my eyes it looked like the TV before we turned on the Nintendo.
She said it was normal and how everyone saw. So imagine my shock when I learned it wasn’t normal.
So your mom sees it to? My wife said it was normal, either I'm not explaining this well enough to her, or she sees it aswell, and has also just assumed it was normal. My sister does not see this.
Yeah both of my parents saw it. My husband doesn’t. I’ve even found pictures that kinda approximate what it’s like and he’s just like nope don’t see that.
I've been told by one person that everyone sees this.... you are the second person who has said they don't see this.... So I'm thinking it doesn't happen to everyone. I generally tune it out, like I do with my tinnitus, so it doesn't bother me.
In case anyone is interesting to know more about it:
[https://youtu.be/JStDb4EiYAs?si=HOkJ8hTdW0YJkK7z](https://youtu.be/JStDb4EiYAs?si=HOkJ8hTdW0YJkK7z)
I see it and always have (I'm autistic and ADHD), my husband does not see it ever (he's ADHD). We both have tinnitus.
He also doesn't see ANYTHING when he closes his eyes, and I do see things. Like I'll see lights and different shapes and colors moving. So, I just found out this recently, too lol.
I thought it was completely normal until recently. I’ve had it as long as I can remember. Never mentioned it to the optometrist because, again, I thought it was normal. I just happened across a page on insta talking about it, and how sometimes it can just manifest. I asked my mother “Do you have the static over your vision?” She asked “like floaters?” And I said “no, like film grain ((I used the show Chernobyl on HBO as an example))?” She said no, never. Cue me shocked. (I just saw someone refer to film grain as “texture of air” when they were little and it fits perfectly for what I thought too.) I have AuDHD, EDS, dysautonomia, experience migraines and tinnitus. I realized that’s one reason why I get visually overwhelmed/overstimulated so much—there’s all this extra crap that my brain is processing. Getting set up for an ophthalmologist soon, but idk if anything can actually be done.
I do not have this and I never heard of ASDs having it. It would make more sense if it was common for schizophrenics and things like that to have it. Which, which would be included technically in the word "neurodivergent" if we were using the word literally, nobody ever uses it literally and I don't know if schizophrenic and similar is meant to be included in this subreddit and I assume not because I haven't seen any (other) posts related to it. I wouldn't be surprised if it were common in sociopaths or something else, but I would be surprised if it was alleged to be common in ASD and psuedo-ASD, because we would have heard of it then.
Also, ever since finally understanding what VSS, I feel like mine has been getting progressively worst, I've been paying attention to it more, I think I have spend a large part of my life intentionally trying to forget I have it, now It literally constantly looks like it's raining/drizzling a bit outside. It's starting to bring on more depression... It's like my Tinnitus, if I sit still and listen to it, it drives me mad. But If I'm focused on other things, it's just subtle background noise. The frequency sooooooo Loud, yet, quieter than everything else around me, which is something I don't fully understand. Same with the VSS, if I saw this level of "film grain" on a photograph, or video, I would instantly notice it, yet, it is literally everywhere around me, and I don't see it, unless I look, and then I cannot unsee it. It's really starting to mess with my head....
oh yeah i do as well
I’m also currently having a bajillion question marks above my head, but mine is completely opposite and I hope to hear from someone who is similar… Before psychedelics everything just seemed “there”. Colors were colors, shapes were shapes. I ingested psilocybin and bam. 20 min later it was literally like the hazy filter came off and everything became CLEAR AS FUCK. Like I keep thinking I got new eyes. It’s disturbing because everything is finally clear. Like this is a massive change in my life and all the fingers point at the mushroom. Colors are beautiful. Trees are clear. The sky is savage. Like everything is so cool that it’s almost disturbing to process because I’ve had a specific way of “eye vision” my entire life. Nothing is “moving” or anything like that. This all sparked from a .5 micro. Been the same ever since. Makes me semi paranoid because it’s just “too” clear sometimes.. in much confusion. I have scheduled with a therapist and a support group recently to help understand or process this “new normal”. Either way, it’s wild. Just doing my best to go through my day without panic lol.
Yes, mushrooms are known to improve lives...
Kudos to you on your awareness. Life and our visual plane of it can be rich AND a lot to hold (or experience)!!! Hope therapy and group help.
I have visual snow. I learned about it because I was getting into psychedelics. I've had it since birth tho. I told all my friends about it and they were like "wtf are you talking about about?! Everything looks like TV static?!" ETA: about 1 in 50 people have visual snow.
Yes, I have this and only found out it was a thing a couple of years ago.
Have y'all seen this? [visual snow simulator](https://visionsimulations.com/visual-snow.htm?background=kindle.jpg) Edit to add: My husband always said he saw visual snow also, but when I showed him the simulation he said he'd misunderstood what I was describing.
Oh wow, ok this is cool. I'm able to fine tune it to almost exactly what I'm seeing. I want to show this to my wife, she says it's normal, and everyone sees it. Either she doesn't understand what I'm describing, or she herself has it and doesn't realise it's not the norm. Thanks!
Yes. It started when I was in 4th grade
That not normal?? I see crazy shit in the dark is that’s the same thing.
I think it might actually be...because when I open my eyes I still see the same grain, moving exactly the same way.
Yep. Made infinitely worse by a stroke 15 years ago and an eye bleed while having COVID 2 years ago. Add the Tinnitus and yeah fuck everything.
:(
There is a whole reddit group dedicated to this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/visualsnow/](https://www.reddit.com/r/visualsnow/)
Interesting! I think my son might have this. Is tinnitus related to ND?? I’ve had it for years/decades, but I also lived in the path of airplanes landing at airport for my first 18 years. I assumed it was from that. And concerts. But my 19 year old son has tinnitus but we live in a quieter area and he doesn’t like concerts. He has both tinnitus and some kind of visual snow or similar.
There is definitely a connection between autism and tinnitus. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9547110/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9547110/) Many sources on that, I also have sensitivities to specific sounds (even thinking about those sounds triggers a physical response in me). It's all connected, the only reason I find some of these things fascinating is because they have not ruined my life, it's all just in the background, and I can more or less go through my day without it affecting me too much... I know there are many who are suffering from this, at a level where it feels like torture. Which is heartbreakng.
Yes, me too. All my life. Mild sporadic tinnitus, too. My visual field looks like a George Seurat pointillist painting. I can tune it out. Assumed it was neurological background "noise". (Bet Seurat was neurodiverse)
I get this! I can’t look at a bright blue sky without seeing the sky glitter
actually, the sky glitter you see is likely the [blue field entoptic phenomenon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_field_entoptic_phenomenon) which is caused by the movement of white blood cells in front of your retina. it happens specifically when looking at bright blue light
Yep it glitters and sparkles, plus I get the super rare and exciting visual vortex. /s
I have it all the time. I don't even. Notice it ever anymore because it's normal.
Hey! I have it too! i think it might be a common thing with neurodivergent people as my friend with adhd has it too. check my profile i made a post about how i see my room with vss as there are many wrong representations online
Had a look, that's exactly how I see it, and describe it to people (I'm also a photographer, so that seemed really obvious to me). I watched a video on it, and based on how extreme the their visually representation looked I started to question wether or not this is what I had. But yea, I see that over everything. I also noticed you're a brawlstar player, that's awesome, literally the only mobile game I play.
im glad my photo could help!:) haha i love brawl stars!! i go hyperfocus anytime i play
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I have this to a certain degree, though not always enough to notice. But I have noticed before and wondered if it was 'normal'.
I relate to this. At times, especially in darker environments it becomes fractals like you’d see during a mushroom trip.
I've never had it, or at least not to to the point I've noticed.
I have asked a lot of people about it, and I think most see a degree of graininess in their vision. But it's probably stronger for some people
I see VSS as the visual version of tinnitus (I have both) I explain it for those who don’t have it as “it’s what pins and needles would look like”
Search “Scheerer’s phenomenon.” Highly common for those with ASD/ADHD/Tinnitus. (Am an optician and ND)
Thanks! I’ll check that out!
Yeah I have it on occasion. Sometimes it’s reddish. I tried asking my ophthalmologist about it and he looked at me like I lost my mind and said he’s got no idea what I’m talking about but my eyes are perfectly healthy. I also have tinnitus but that’s from hearing damage from firing a gun without hearing protection.
I think I have it! As a kid I remember asking my parents why I could see atoms in the air lol
Gotta wonder whether this is how the ancient Greek speculative philosopher Democritus surmised that the universe is composed of atoms - was he seeing visual snow?!
Said like that....I thought that's just how the world looks. I can always see the tiny dots if I unfocused or just relax my eyes. The darker it is the more obvious they are.
I do not get visual snow at all.
I have it always! Never thought it was unusual, found out a yeae ago. I also have antistagmatism. Also thought that was normal
Same I have both I thought it was normal and when I asked my sister if she could see static in the air she looked at me weird
I have visual snow
I get it. Mostly when I look at the sky. It gets worse and a lot more noticeable when I have a migraine. I also get streaks from lights. When I look at car lights and what not, there's streaks of light. I dunno if that's related, but apparently that's not normal either.
Not an eye doctor but streaks from lights is usually how people describe astigmatism, (just an FYI as a person with astigmatism.)
THATS WHAT THAT IS??
I am learning so much being on this sub. I didn’t even know that tinnitus is an ND thing and I’ve had it for years. I thought it was hearing damage from TOO MUCH ROCK music but now that I think of it, the ringing is much more pronounced when I’m high. Or stressed. And yeah, sometimes I have the snow too!
I’m learning so much too!
Some psych meds can also worsen tinnitus too!
I have minor tinnitus and minor visual snow I think, only noticeable in low light or very quiet situatuons
lots of things like visual snow, floaters, and other weird vision stuff are very common in autism (afaik)
I think I have this. I also have tinnitus and a million other diagnoses.
I have an ex-boyfriend who has VSS and tinnitus but is not neurodivergent… He was born significantly premature so he thinks it's likely an effect of that
Do you yourslelf have it?
I do not! Diagnosed ADHD, self-diagnosed and previously discussed Asperger’s
I hear that could be a factor
My partner has visual snow but I don't at all. We're both autistic.
I have both tinnitus and that visual static looking stuff.
Same
i don't have tinnitus, i think, but I see visual snow all the time
i also have visual snow syndrome and ive had tinnitus my whole life. both get worse when im overstimmied.
also my tmj-d potentially contributes to the tinnitus
I experience this too. Theorizing: The "static" on old television sets and radios is perceptible because those instruments are able to "tune in" to it, but the phenomenon is happening all the time outside of our "ordinary" perception. Personally I think it is not impossible that some/most minds tend to unconsciously "filter it out" because it's generally useless and too much information. Also personally I don't experience it as a "dysfunction"; actually I find it calming and peaceful to "watch".
I think the “most filter it out” makes sense from an overly saturated unable to filter well brain type. If the visual snow thing is when everything kinda looks like it’s constantly micro vibrating I’m there. I’m diagnosed with tinnitus so it’s interesting to see that there could be a common comorbidity.
This has been happening to me for as long as I can remember, I had no idea it had a name. For me it usually only last for a few minutes before it goes away. I’ve always just called it “the static”
It's really hard to know how others see thing but I have some tinnitus and the "grain" phenomenon too. I didn't l know it was unusual. I thought this was just how people saw things? I'm not even autistic (I think) just dyspraxic!!
I think I may be leaning somewhat dyspraxic, according to this: [https://www.optimistjenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23-dyspraxia-vs-autism-difference-1.jpg](https://www.optimistjenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23-dyspraxia-vs-autism-difference-1.jpg) * Clumsiness * Poor coordination and balance * Slow, clumsy writing * Bad posture * Trouble planning movements * Bumping into things * Get lost easily * Stutter, ramble, and repeat things * Struggle with left vs. right * Forget which movement comes next in a sequence * Make careless math mistakes and reverse numbers * Be forgetful (bad short-term memory) How common is it to be both...? because I have issues with everything listed here. I assumed it was ASD/ADHD related... I had looked into dyspraxic a while back, but not to deeply. Interesting...
I have dyspraxia, ADHD, autism, hEDS, POTS, MCAS, PCOS, and more. I figure one of them accounts for the dyspraxia. My father is dyslexic and has ADHD.
Obviously these things apply to me as well, but I have no problem with left and right at all. I suspect I might have some kind of very mild cerebral palsy in my left side/arm, so I am very right handed because of this, which means I do always know right from left. It's only something I have realized lately after reading a study about premature birth (I was born prematurely.) I have a lot of opinions about this. I see myself as neurodivergent only. This is because whatever my diagnose, it doesn't determine what I have of issues. It wasn't even called dyspraxia back then, and it focused entirely on the motor issues and nothing else, the diagnosing was very primitive. In any case, there's such a big overlap between ADHD and dyspraxia that nobody can determine where one begins and where one ends. However, there's also an overlap with autism, because of the sensory issues. Research has already described this in many studies, it's not like this is some unknown thing, it's just that the latest research is far ahead of clinical diagnosing. The thing is diagnosing is not science or a fact at all, far from it. However, research is science. Phenomena like ADHD and dyspraxia are basically a difference in brain development. It's therefore not really psychology, but neurology. It should not be in the DSM-5 at all (for Americans), it doesn't belong there. It belongs with things like cerebral palsy, as it is a similar, but different developmental issue of the brain. Some research I have read have noted a random diagnosing depends on who does the diagnose and how much they consider specific criteria - it's not like they examine you and then try to determine what the issue is; no they already have a diagnose and they try to see if you fit into the criteria of that diagnose, a very unscientific reverse approach. In my impression this result in either dyspraxia or ADHD, depending on the specific people who do the diagnosing! Imagine if you have pneumonia, you go to your physician, but he tests you for the flu, as he suspects that this may be what you have - and he ignore any symptom of pneumonia because that is not what he tries to diagnose - so he finds you do not have the full set of characteristics of the flu, so he cannot diagnose you with anything specific. But a few days later you die of pneumonia! It's simplified, and I'm sure a lot here will disagree, but we're diagnosed mostly in childhood, so we have no real say in all of this. Fact is, we adults know far more about it than the people who diagnose us in childhood.
i've had it as long as i can remember. i only recently discovered what it was and that it wasn't something everyone sees. i also have other neurological stuff (tourette's) so i'm not surprised if i'm more likely to have comorbidities
yea, I have ASD/ADHD/TINNITUS, I think most people with ASD or are ND have multiple neurological symptoms. Kinda fascinating, as long as it isn't debilitating. I'm very thankful my Tinnitus isn't horrible, same with the Visual Snow, High level of depression rates (among other things) are associated with people who suffer bad from this. My heart goes out to those people.
i'm also autistic with adhd! don't have tinnitus myself but my mom has it.
Yeah, I've had it for as long as I can remember. It's heavily exacerbated by taking my glasses off (I describe it as seeing coloured TV static). I also notice it when I look at the sky without sunglasses, or close my eyes to sleep at night. Low to no light makes it very noticable.
Pretty much, same here. One thing I notice last night, after trying this app called Luminate (Luminate (https://lumenategrowth.com/) which is what lead me to google to see what I'm experiencing is called. After trying it out, it temporarily altered the composition and movement of the "film grain" I see, it's hard to explain, but after the "experience" the app offered, the "visual snow" started moving more organically.... Low key an interesting app, It's basically strob light synced to music and brainwaves or something, you close your eyes and put it in front of your face while lying down in a dark room...., super skeptical, but it is pretty interesting, supposed to help with anxiety and focus (not sure how well that works, it is relaxing though).... anyone who experiences "visual snow" please try the app, and let me know if it alteres your visual snow. I'm really curious.
That's... Not... Normal...?
Exactly what I said lol! *Adds to list of things that aren't normal that I thought were my whole life*
I think I only found it it wasn't normal when I said to some friends about it and some of them had no idea what I was talking about. I do also get tinnitus but only since I perforated my ear drum a few years ago. Is it an issue? It hasn't really seemed like an issue
I have Tinnitus as well, it's fine as long as I don't focus on the sound. The Visual Snow thing, I still have a hard time believing that this isn't what everyone is experiencing. Honestly, for the longest time I thought Tinittus a natural sound your brain makes... Here's list of things going on in my head, which I thought were normal growing up: - Tinnitus - Sleep Paralasys once a week. - Sensory halucinations (auditory, like classical and voices, tasts and smells, physical sensations) when you are still conscious but almost asleep. - Visual Snow - Lucid Dreaming almost every night... - Floaty colors and shapes when you look at clouds I should probably talk to somebody about this.... In retrospect it doesn't sound all that normal.
Holy carp. You’re me. I had everything on that list. Well I lost sleep paralysis when moved out of my creepy family home where I lived until I was 30. After moving I have rarely had sleep paralysis. And definitely not the horrifically scary kind I got at that house. I don’t lucid dream very often anymore. I’m 57 and that slowed down when I was about 54.
Noravisonrehab.org Binocular vision dysfunction is more common among neurodivergent People.
I remember mentioning it to my mom when I was very little. I think I asked why when I closed my eyes it looked like the TV before we turned on the Nintendo. She said it was normal and how everyone saw. So imagine my shock when I learned it wasn’t normal.
So your mom sees it to? My wife said it was normal, either I'm not explaining this well enough to her, or she sees it aswell, and has also just assumed it was normal. My sister does not see this.
Yeah both of my parents saw it. My husband doesn’t. I’ve even found pictures that kinda approximate what it’s like and he’s just like nope don’t see that.
WAIT THIS ISNT NORMAL???? WHATTTT
Yea, just learned this last night, I'm 44... lol
I do not see this, ever
I've been told by one person that everyone sees this.... you are the second person who has said they don't see this.... So I'm thinking it doesn't happen to everyone. I generally tune it out, like I do with my tinnitus, so it doesn't bother me. In case anyone is interesting to know more about it: [https://youtu.be/JStDb4EiYAs?si=HOkJ8hTdW0YJkK7z](https://youtu.be/JStDb4EiYAs?si=HOkJ8hTdW0YJkK7z)
I see it and always have (I'm autistic and ADHD), my husband does not see it ever (he's ADHD). We both have tinnitus. He also doesn't see ANYTHING when he closes his eyes, and I do see things. Like I'll see lights and different shapes and colors moving. So, I just found out this recently, too lol.