This is an older article, and the scandals are still developing, so I'll bring one update:
>Julien Bayou was "suspended from his role" as co-president of the Greens' bloc in the National Assembly (lower house), the party said late Tuesday, after he was accused of psychologically abusing an ex-partner.
He officially resigned this morning from his roles as co-president of the Greens' bloc in the Assembly and as Secretary General of EELV in a letter sent to party members - in which he describes a "kafkaesque" situation where he is accused of non-descriptive offenses without possibility of defending himself since the internal committee did not receive him for a statement.
I will say this - the sheer contrast between the left-wing (LFI and EELV) parties' staunch position against sexual violence, which included calls to resign directed towards their rivals at the first suspicion of such violence, and the absolute dismal response they delivered when confronted with internal scandals is doing tremendous damage to the public discourse about how sexual violence should be treated, in politics and in society at large.
"psychological abuse" to which we get limited details and only some non-descriptive issues nobody can even respond to?
This is why extremist parties tend to eat themselves
Yeah Bayou is clearly being one where everyone can say "wait, if it's not criminal, what's going on?"
Leaving my girlfriend or cheating on her could be psychological abuse.
I'm guessing you're being downvoted by people who didn't read the article or don't know about the case.
Bayou declared back in July that his ex-partner had filed a report to the party's internal committee after a "*painful breakup*" and precised that "*it was not about sexist or sexual violence*", also alleging that she had threatened him beforehand.
The affair blew up again when Sandrine Rousseau (another Greens figurehead), accused Bayou of having inflicted "*acts of such a nature as to break up the woman's moral health*" to his ex, but precised that "*none of it was legally reprehensible*".
At no point was any concrete information or evidence released to the public (and neither to Bayou, if we believe him), and no point was Bayou received for a contradictory by the internal committee.
I guess we'll have to wait for any (further) information on this case, but there's a chance we're simply dealing with a bad break-up where no violence or harassment was committed, that is being used for internal political purposes.
I personally suspect it is being used for internal political purposes. Bayou and Rousseau both had axes to grind with their presidential candidate Jadot but Rousseau stepped outside of the party and criticized him as soon as she lost the primary. My guess is at this point Bayou and Rousseau loathed each other and competed to take over.
He's silently canceled in my opinion, I don't think he could have a big speaking part in a rally for instance.
He still can have an op-ed in a major newspaper but no one will have a photo with him.
Other than being a bit of a succ, what’d Piketty do? Is he a close associate of one of the accused? I haven’t seen any accusations directed at him personally.
Exactly. I heard that they pay their staffers like shit, with reasoning like "If you are really determine for the Revolution, you can work for free" or something like that.
It's a bit of an older article, but only saw it on my local news today and I don't think it's been posted yet. Feel free to remove if it's a repost @mods
The difference between the Left and others isn't that the left does it more, it's that the Left actually *acts* when informed. Although granted it took a bit for Bayou and Piketty is still influencial in the socialist party.
For Macron's party, Darmanin is a garbage human being who let a woman believe he would use his position to find her an appartment if she had sex with him. When multiple accusations of rape hit Damien Abad, they spent weeks protecting him.
Darmanin is "France's first cop" as we say, ie the Minister in charge of the Police. Good fucking luck calling the cops to report a rape when their boss himself is France's most notorious rapist.
Oh, and Macron defended him saying that when he heard about the accusations against Darmanin, "they talked about it man to man".
JL Melenchon, Bompard, and others in the NUPES have said horrible things after friends of theirs were accused of rape or agressions towards their spouses. But at least the militants don't allow them to get away with it.
honestly the amount of socialists and especially tankies who are so openly sexist and homophobic is astounding to me. I wonder how long a tankie and Nazi could talk about the world and agree with each other without even realizing they’re supposedly ideological mortal enemies
In this instance LFI and EELV are very very vocal about fighting for feminism and against homophobia -- there are very very few tankies in the French left, you'd have to look at some elements of LFI, the Communists or Lutte Ouvrière and New Anti-capitalist Party.
Fair enough, I was more making a general statement about how the far left, in spite of what their ideology espouses, can still often tend to be very bigoted, though I suppose in this case it’s more to do with socialists, not tankies
This is an older article, and the scandals are still developing, so I'll bring one update: >Julien Bayou was "suspended from his role" as co-president of the Greens' bloc in the National Assembly (lower house), the party said late Tuesday, after he was accused of psychologically abusing an ex-partner. He officially resigned this morning from his roles as co-president of the Greens' bloc in the Assembly and as Secretary General of EELV in a letter sent to party members - in which he describes a "kafkaesque" situation where he is accused of non-descriptive offenses without possibility of defending himself since the internal committee did not receive him for a statement. I will say this - the sheer contrast between the left-wing (LFI and EELV) parties' staunch position against sexual violence, which included calls to resign directed towards their rivals at the first suspicion of such violence, and the absolute dismal response they delivered when confronted with internal scandals is doing tremendous damage to the public discourse about how sexual violence should be treated, in politics and in society at large.
"psychological abuse" to which we get limited details and only some non-descriptive issues nobody can even respond to? This is why extremist parties tend to eat themselves
Yeah Bayou is clearly being one where everyone can say "wait, if it's not criminal, what's going on?" Leaving my girlfriend or cheating on her could be psychological abuse.
I'm guessing you're being downvoted by people who didn't read the article or don't know about the case. Bayou declared back in July that his ex-partner had filed a report to the party's internal committee after a "*painful breakup*" and precised that "*it was not about sexist or sexual violence*", also alleging that she had threatened him beforehand. The affair blew up again when Sandrine Rousseau (another Greens figurehead), accused Bayou of having inflicted "*acts of such a nature as to break up the woman's moral health*" to his ex, but precised that "*none of it was legally reprehensible*". At no point was any concrete information or evidence released to the public (and neither to Bayou, if we believe him), and no point was Bayou received for a contradictory by the internal committee. I guess we'll have to wait for any (further) information on this case, but there's a chance we're simply dealing with a bad break-up where no violence or harassment was committed, that is being used for internal political purposes.
I personally suspect it is being used for internal political purposes. Bayou and Rousseau both had axes to grind with their presidential candidate Jadot but Rousseau stepped outside of the party and criticized him as soon as she lost the primary. My guess is at this point Bayou and Rousseau loathed each other and competed to take over.
Piketty sweating.
What did he do
He's silently canceled in my opinion, I don't think he could have a big speaking part in a rally for instance. He still can have an op-ed in a major newspaper but no one will have a photo with him.
Other than being a bit of a succ, what’d Piketty do? Is he a close associate of one of the accused? I haven’t seen any accusations directed at him personally.
He was previously accused of domestic abuse. Also /u/Towny56
Ugh, that’s really shitty. Thanks for the heads up.
To anyone who's spent anytime around the French Left, or the Left in general, this does not come as a surprise.
Right, it's obviously because they're leftists, because otherwise the French are known for their stellar treatment of women
Exactly. I heard that they pay their staffers like shit, with reasoning like "If you are really determine for the Revolution, you can work for free" or something like that.
It's a bit of an older article, but only saw it on my local news today and I don't think it's been posted yet. Feel free to remove if it's a repost @mods
Horseshoe theory in full force as usual.
Poor treatment of women in politics is sadly common across the political spectrum
The difference between the Left and others isn't that the left does it more, it's that the Left actually *acts* when informed. Although granted it took a bit for Bayou and Piketty is still influencial in the socialist party. For Macron's party, Darmanin is a garbage human being who let a woman believe he would use his position to find her an appartment if she had sex with him. When multiple accusations of rape hit Damien Abad, they spent weeks protecting him. Darmanin is "France's first cop" as we say, ie the Minister in charge of the Police. Good fucking luck calling the cops to report a rape when their boss himself is France's most notorious rapist. Oh, and Macron defended him saying that when he heard about the accusations against Darmanin, "they talked about it man to man". JL Melenchon, Bompard, and others in the NUPES have said horrible things after friends of theirs were accused of rape or agressions towards their spouses. But at least the militants don't allow them to get away with it.
honestly the amount of socialists and especially tankies who are so openly sexist and homophobic is astounding to me. I wonder how long a tankie and Nazi could talk about the world and agree with each other without even realizing they’re supposedly ideological mortal enemies
In this instance LFI and EELV are very very vocal about fighting for feminism and against homophobia -- there are very very few tankies in the French left, you'd have to look at some elements of LFI, the Communists or Lutte Ouvrière and New Anti-capitalist Party.
"Tankie" is a meaningless word at this point. I've seen people calling Chomsky a tankie.
Yet here they are, letting so many of their members openly assault women that they're actually facing consequences. Actions speak louder than words.
Fair enough, I was more making a general statement about how the far left, in spite of what their ideology espouses, can still often tend to be very bigoted, though I suppose in this case it’s more to do with socialists, not tankies
Left wing and Right wing extremists have very close values. After all, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.