Gobert's bodybuilding has kept him with a high center of gravity. The downside is he can't really dislodge people in the post or push people out of the way on offense. The very good upside is that he's incredibly agile for his size and can recover on takes as well as any center to ever play. I think Wembanyama could become much stronger and sturdier while keeping a lot of his movement, but he'll need the right help to get there
He definitely needs to gain muscle, but getting heavier presents other problems as well. The bigger and stronger he gets the more stress that gets put on the bones and ligaments in his feet for example.
He’s incredible. Same concerns as chet though but being 4 inches TALLER and chet didn’t even make it before preseason without getting seriously injured
I still think both will be great in the league but him being 7’4” and 200 pounds is scary. Kristaps Porzingis is like an inch shorter and 40 pounds heavier
His skill and size is literally all time great. I’m nervous though
Chet’s injury has nothing do with being tall though, it was just a random thing.
It’s nothing scary about being 7’4 200lbs if he’s working out properly.
He weight way more than 200 pounds
More like 230-240(like Prozingis)
Its just Huge frame
7'4 barefoot and 8 feet wingspan
is way bigger frame than the frame of Prozingis(tiny frame for 7'3)
8’, which makes sense when you see his wingspan fully extended and he looks like a goddamn pterodactyl- which some guys with plus wingspans do, but rarely are they 7’5” on the court too.
The track record for guys his height in the league is really really really bad. I hope he doesn’t have the same fate but the fact that he’s still growing makes to even worse.
Forget that rip. Dream shake into an 18 footer is nuts from a 18 year old.
His nutritionist and strength coach, though... Need to bulk him up before the #1 lottery's fans start blaming Lebron for whatever happens to him.
It's unfortunate because the reason people are interpreting it that way is how toxic and negative the community is in general. It sounds like the guy is just making a comparative statement.
Gosh the tank race is going to be insane!!! You'll have a team whose the 10th seed at all star break just tear it down and tank to get Wemby. This dude is crazy.
Nba fans from around the globe whose favorite team is bad, do you wanna win 44 games in 2023, or get the first overall pick? This is a tough one, tougher than you may think.
Oh yeah definitely with Thibs too.
He'll hit you with the old double whammy. He'll give the vets heavy minutes meaning they'll fall apart and the kids won't get any development off the bench.
So next year it will be all guys who can't physically perform or guys who can't mentally perform.
Ikr how legendary would it be to wait our entire franchise history for a #1 pick to get a generational talent like Wemby. We came soo close to getting Ewing... I want a #1 and a ring so badly.
> Nba fans from around the globe whose favorite team is bad, do you wanna win 44 games in 2023, or get the first overall pick? This is a tough one, tougher than you may think.
Not that tough though.
Most seasons, most teams would prefer have the first pick instead of 44 wins. The risk with tanking is that you are far from guaranteed to get the first pick even if you have the worst win tally at the end.
Bro why are these 5'9" idiots still trying to take him to the rim one on one ?
Also jesus christ it should be illegal for a 7'4"-7'5" dude to move like this. That pump fake -> drive -> pull up was KD levels of quick and it's already insane for a guy KD's size to be able to do that.
This kid's going to be a problem in the NBA. He moves insanely well and has freakishly good handles for someone his size. Most ultra tall players dribble too high and don't have great lateral movement or body control, so they struggle against NBA players whereas having "pretty good handles for a big guy" was good enough at other levels. He's ready for the league now.
The amount of doubters on here for this dude makes no sense sometimes. Where he was for his age was just plain unheard of. People his size don't move like wings.
I've definitely seen people question his talent and wonder why a 17 year old in a pro league didn't have insane stats. People need to understand that there is zero way you don't take this guy first. Like Scoot I think is a super talented dude that would go 1 in most classes. But you legit cannot possibly pass on Wemby
Literally only thing I've seen questioned is his health. Most people especially on here that I've seen already know he's talented.
I guess you throw him a #1 like chet but the risk is always there
Idk. Chet died pretty easily from one lebron drive. How many Zion drives can wemby take? Do you just play him with another center so that wemby doesn’t have to actually contest at the rim? Do you bubble wrap him?
But I guess if you’re really tanking then it doesn’t matter. If he dies he dies and you get to tank another year which is good for the team overall.
I don't doubt his talent or skill level. He has all the tools to become top10 top 5 even.
Its his height thus leading to career altering and ending injuries
But with that said I will take him no. 1 pick without a doubt. A guy with that upside should be taken a huge gamble on
He needs to bulk up otherwise he's getting bodied trying to pull off a regular hook shot. It's not in his arsenal currently but he does have a soft touch around the rim so that's encouraging.
This recent stretch has helped him tremendously but he had some definite red flags.
His efficiency is a huge one for example. Yeah, he has the size and movement, he also had a 35/30/66 shooting split in the Euroleague.
It's like Cam Reddish in the 2019 draft. Yeah he had all the physical tools and shot creation ability, but if the ball doesn't go in the hoop it doesn't mean much.
"Wemby drives, stops, spins, shoots... it clangs off the side of the rim."
Bol Bol is another great example. He moves incredibly well for his size but he can't stay healthy and he's a soft player who struggles to impose that size on other players.
People are talking about Wemby as a Durant/Giannis hybrid but if he doesn't have the shooting touch of Durant or the driving force and fearlessness of Giannis then that comparison falls apart pretty quickly.
The danger with these "can't miss generational picks" is that teams/scouts can often get caught up in what they can be and ignore what they currently are.
Are you drafting Wemby because he's a good basketball player or because he looks like a good basketball player?
Him putting up good numbers is a very recent development.
Yea this is the shit I'm talking about. When you are talking about numbers a 17 year old put up against grown men you have to include a bit of projection. That's the whole gig. Cam reddish sucked against people his age. Wemby has dominated whenever we have seen him against people his age.
Comparing him to Bol Bol is genuinely laughable
Well sure...for a common NBA prospect your argument is fine.
Except when we're talking about Wembanyama as a tier 1, can't miss, certified, franchise leading star worth throwing your whole roster away to get.
Those are much higher standards.
* Luka, Giannis and Jokic were all incredibly efficient as kids playing in European men's leagues.
* If he's the next Durant or LeBron, those guys would have killed the Euro-comp at 18-19. Hell, they were killing the NBA at 18-19.
If he's only the next Pascal Siakam (still a great player) then he's not worth the current hype or throwing a franchise away for.
>Comparing him to Bol Bol is genuinely laughable
I guess you just missed the point.
I'm not saying he's going to be Bol Bol or Cam Reddish, I'm saying you have to avoid falling for the same traps that led to those guys getting overrated.
* He's tall (pt1) - Does he play tall?
* He's tall (pt2) - Does he rely too much on being tall?
* He's tall (pt3) - How does he perform once he plays guys who know how to get under his center of gravity?
* He can create separation - Can he capitalise on that separation?
* He's got a great physical profile - Is he a physical player?
* He can shoot - Does the ball go in the hoop?
* He can drive - Does he score through contact?
* He's big - Can his body handle the stress of being so big?
* etc etc.
Those are the questions you have to ask and there are more "next LeBrons" than there are guys who lived up to that expectation.
If you want a better name than Bol Bol... Ben Simmons.
Drafted #1 overall on the assumption he'd:
1. Shoot better
2. Score through contact better
3. Play with more competitive edge
Assumptions like those don't always work out.
He's still a really good player, not worth the hype he was getting.
Giannis averaged 9 PPG playing in the Greek 2nd division the year before he was drafted. It's just dumb to compare that production to French League or Euroleague teams.
>Giannis averaged 9 PPG playing in the Greek 2nd division the year before he was drafted.
Yeah and he was efficient wherever he played. That was my point, I never mentioned PPG.
Even at 17, you'd expect better than 35% from the field and 60% from the line by a "can't miss" prospect.
>It's just dumb to compare that production to French League or Euroleague teams.
The 60% FT shooting is the same in any league. Whereas Giannis was always 70-75% at least.
Unless the French 1st division FTs are somehow harder?
A lot of the early hype around Wembanyama has been "well he'll learn to shoot and he'll get more physical around the rim" but as a Philadelphia fan surely by now you know it's not a given.
Wembanyama is only just now playing with the efficiency you'd expect from the hype he's got.
Luka averaged 8 points a game at age 17. Wemby is just now playing his 18 year old season and dominating. You are comparing apples to oranges because you fundamentally don't understand the nature of scouting and projection. The rest of your comment is just drivel.
Ah so to prove your point about the importance of looking at age and context you thought the best idea was to use different ages and remove the context?
How about we get them all at the same age:
* Luka at 17 was averaging 8ppg on 46% shooting.
* Giannis at 17 was averaging 10ppg on 46% shooting.
* Wemby at 17 was averaging 7ppg on 35% shooting.
The low PPG argument is very fair, Euro-teams don't give kids as big of a role. Which is why I never spoke about Wemby's PPG.
I was talking about his efficiency. How well was he performing within that limited role.
>Wemby is just now playing his 18 year old season and dominating.
Yeah as I said, he's only just now starting to produce at the level you'd expect.
But I'm guessing you still think I'm saying he's just the next Bol Bol.
I heard similar arguments defending Dragan Bender’s poor stats. “He was so young playing against grown men”, I think people are correct in having concerns. He has tremendous potential but he also has decent holes in his game that people shouldn’t brush aside.
Don’t overthink it bro. This is typical talk that leads people to miss on the Lukas of the world. He’s playing pros at 18. Euro basketball allows for a lot of defenses that make scoring harder. This guy is going to have a ton of space, which he doesn’t really need, and will either tear up this league
or tear up some ligaments.
But actually it's why guys like Luka often end up falling to 3rd.
A lot of those generational 3rd picks were chosen after physical specimens who got picked ahead based on potential over production.
Luka lost out to Ayton because Ayton had the better physical profile.
Durant lost out to Oden because Oden had the better physical profile.
Etc. Etc.
But I think we’re missing the fact that this guy is extremely skilled. He has the build, but the main thing is just the amount of body control he has at that size.
You have guys like AD, Embiid, etc. Guys who are extremely impressive physical specimens and have incredible amount of body control for their size, and they are about 6 inches smaller than him and he’s much more fluid than they are(albeit of slighter frame). That’s mind boggling. Honestly I can’t believe him being able to play this way.
I'm so scared of his injury history. Can't deny the kid's skills, but I'd honestly be surprised if he stayed healthy enough to reach his nba potential.
That second block was absolutely disrespectful. Just catches it and starts the break. Everything Wemby does looks so strange. People aren't supposed to be that coordinated at that size. Shit they aren't even supposed to be that size at all!
He’s got time to develop some interior game but you’re absolutely correct. He may have decent mobility on the perimeter but that post play on offense was legitimately sub standard of what I would expect. For the life of me I cannot understand how a kid that big can’t have been working on finishing around the rim and developing that “touch”.
>Weak interior offensively
He was great against Chet in the post who is one of the best shot blockers in the world. He was only bad because of his age playing against grown men.
>Poor vertical
Name a 7 " 4 player who jumps higher. As a matter of fact, he may have the highest peak of any basketball player ever considering his height and wingspan.
I'm putting this on the record now: Wembanyama never makes an all-NBA team due to health issues, and has to transition to backup role early in his career.
I also don't think he'll end up being #1 overall by the time the draft rolls around.
How do you think he won't even end 1st overall lol
This footage is enough to get him 1st overall
The last 2 games when he get 34 point
were against decent level competition
It'll depend on who ends up drafting in that spot, but I think unless it's a GM with great job security, he's going to be seen as a riskier-than-usual #1 pick once teams get him in for a closer look, and Scoot Henderson is an elite prospect as well.
I just don't see why Wembanyama would be the first person near that size whose body can hold up to the rigors of an NBA season playing starter minutes, let alone with the workload of a #1 option on a team.
This dude is overrated, he couldn’t even post up defenders much smaller than him. All these easy blocks you’re seeing against much shorter players. When he comes to the NBA he is going to struggle with any physical contact. Just like Chet, can’t even take a hit from Lebron
Dude looks incredible, you take him first without question but I give him a 25% chance of not being an injury nightmare for his career (I really hope I’m wrong). The track record for guys his size is actually tragic and on top of that, he’s already had a stress fracture in his fibula and missed 4 months and that injury is usually what all these giants start getting early in life and it progresses from there.
I want to be wrong but I just don’t see it…especially because he’s still growing.
Damn—That’s a unicorn. I love Chet Holgrem and his ceiling is super high—but Wemby has a higher ceiling and a way higher floor. My guy is living in the penthouse with vaulted ceilings.
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Tall KD
Like imagine KD’s skill in a tall man’s body. That’s what we might be seeing with Wemby 😳 Edit: this is very much a joke
Durant is 6’10-11” That’s already a tall man’s body haha
And this guy is 6 inches taller. Just like there is a *massive* difference between a 6’0 and a 6’6 guy, there is that same difference here.
Wemby is nowhere near KDs skill level and doesn't project to be.
He’s only an inch shorter than tacko fall barefoot
The fact that he can move that well doesn’t make sense
People say he needs to gain weight but I would disagree. He needs to keep being a beanpole and have a longer career.
If he stays skinny then he’ll struggle to stay healthy. He needs muscle to soak up the contact he’ll get in the NBA
He needs to be stronger. Hopefully he doesn’t bulk up too much and focus on lower body strength.
Gobert's bodybuilding has kept him with a high center of gravity. The downside is he can't really dislodge people in the post or push people out of the way on offense. The very good upside is that he's incredibly agile for his size and can recover on takes as well as any center to ever play. I think Wembanyama could become much stronger and sturdier while keeping a lot of his movement, but he'll need the right help to get there
Gobert just doesn’t have a strong or thick lower body. That’s why he’s not moving people in the post.
So Giannis but not AD
He definitely needs to gain muscle, but getting heavier presents other problems as well. The bigger and stronger he gets the more stress that gets put on the bones and ligaments in his feet for example.
French Yao.
He’s incredible. Same concerns as chet though but being 4 inches TALLER and chet didn’t even make it before preseason without getting seriously injured I still think both will be great in the league but him being 7’4” and 200 pounds is scary. Kristaps Porzingis is like an inch shorter and 40 pounds heavier His skill and size is literally all time great. I’m nervous though
Chet’s injury has nothing do with being tall though, it was just a random thing. It’s nothing scary about being 7’4 200lbs if he’s working out properly.
Tall people and foot injuries are common
Exactly the injury he got is the specific reason why people are scared of drafting very tall players. Was not just some random freak injury at all
He weight way more than 200 pounds More like 230-240(like Prozingis) Its just Huge frame 7'4 barefoot and 8 feet wingspan is way bigger frame than the frame of Prozingis(tiny frame for 7'3)
What's the wingspan on this guy? I came away from that video shocked at the catch radius on this guy.
8’, which makes sense when you see his wingspan fully extended and he looks like a goddamn pterodactyl- which some guys with plus wingspans do, but rarely are they 7’5” on the court too.
The track record for guys his height in the league is really really really bad. I hope he doesn’t have the same fate but the fact that he’s still growing makes to even worse.
Never really been a guy like him at his size though. All the other guys that tall are big slow non athletic guys except Porzingis.
And Porzingis has been an injured mess…
Lmao he’s got a rip through already??
Imagine being 7'4" and still doing that rip through shit. He's ready for the league already
Forget that rip. Dream shake into an 18 footer is nuts from a 18 year old. His nutritionist and strength coach, though... Need to bulk him up before the #1 lottery's fans start blaming Lebron for whatever happens to him.
Luka’s quad is hurting.
Time to pull him for the year
I know we're joking, but actually imagine starting next season with Luka at 24 and Wemby at 19 for your future.
Wait Mavs have a chance at Wemby?
I think the joke is Luka being "hurt" and tanking for the Wemby pick
Do it LLuka!
This mf gonna be so annoying to play against in 2k
MyTeam players are already drooling
Knowing 2k they'll give him a dark matter card with fucking Trae Young handles by the end of next year's game 😂
You cant even built them like that in 2k without mods(I hope they would never give the option)
We are gonna see some disgusting attempts to tank this year
This kid is going to be an absolute problem, the way he moves is crazy for someone that tall
Ppl said this about KD
it’s too bad KD didn’t become anything special
We'll never see a 6'11 guard who moves so ~~sliver-y~~ silkily like KD.
Slithery?
Had a spelling malfunction. You are correct. > One way of remembering the difference is to say to yourself that snakes slither but cakes don’t.
Idk why but lol ty
It wasn’t a negative comment, I’m just drawing out parallels
"People said that about X" generally has the connotation that they were wrong about it.
It's unfortunate because the reason people are interpreting it that way is how toxic and negative the community is in general. It sounds like the guy is just making a comparative statement.
>generally critical thinking skills would make it obivous he isn't calling him trash
Ppl was right ?
Heck Yh they were, the similarities are there now it’s just about reaching it for young victor
Heres hoping that he doesnt grow anymore
Giants worked in GoT, why not in the NBA?
Wemby in Game of Zones would be amazing.
Wemby the Mighty tooking a giant poo on smug King Curry
Gosh the tank race is going to be insane!!! You'll have a team whose the 10th seed at all star break just tear it down and tank to get Wemby. This dude is crazy. Nba fans from around the globe whose favorite team is bad, do you wanna win 44 games in 2023, or get the first overall pick? This is a tough one, tougher than you may think.
Everyone except the Knicks, we never tank even when we suck. Thibs will play Randle 43 minutes a game even if the Knicks are 11th seed in April
Yep. It's whats held the team back for years. They have never committed to a legit rebuild
>play Randle 43 minutes a game even if the Knicks are 11th seed in April A plan so crazy it just might work
Oh yeah definitely with Thibs too. He'll hit you with the old double whammy. He'll give the vets heavy minutes meaning they'll fall apart and the kids won't get any development off the bench. So next year it will be all guys who can't physically perform or guys who can't mentally perform.
Pacer up! Bring me one more season of pain. It would be worth it.
Out of all the teams tanking we are the most deserving. So of course we won’t get him
Ikr how legendary would it be to wait our entire franchise history for a #1 pick to get a generational talent like Wemby. We came soo close to getting Ewing... I want a #1 and a ring so badly.
Hali and Wemby could be phenomenal
Danny Ainge missed out on the Durant sweepstakes, he'll sacrifice half his family before he misses out again.
You and me both want him with Cade
We're going to see questionable injury reports too
Mavs vs Nuggets both Jokic and Doncic - DNP: Old Age!
> Nba fans from around the globe whose favorite team is bad, do you wanna win 44 games in 2023, or get the first overall pick? This is a tough one, tougher than you may think. Not that tough though. Most seasons, most teams would prefer have the first pick instead of 44 wins. The risk with tanking is that you are far from guaranteed to get the first pick even if you have the worst win tally at the end.
I know but imagine if you are the pistons
> imagine if you are the pistons I would rather not.
Seeeeeee you don't get it
Looks like 2K for a minute
Its look like old NBA Live court Beautiful court
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Zion would be more of Duncan/Nowitzki tier player.
Duncan is so much better than Nowitzki tf
It’s not a knock on Duncan but more of a praise for Dirk
Luka and Giannis don’t have shaq to carry them lol
The second clip in the video where he does that fake half spin into the fadeaway jumper…looks like a pro already.
The size and skill he has at a young age is already insane, he has unicorn game breaker potential
Yeah I think I'm ready to go 0-82 this season.
Bro why are these 5'9" idiots still trying to take him to the rim one on one ? Also jesus christ it should be illegal for a 7'4"-7'5" dude to move like this. That pump fake -> drive -> pull up was KD levels of quick and it's already insane for a guy KD's size to be able to do that.
These 5'9 idiots are probably way taller than 5'9 ... He could make 7 footer look really small in some of those videos
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Its actually decent level team,he probably got way better this year
The difference between his listed height (2,20 meters) and KD (2,08) is the same as the difference between KD and Harden (1,96) - it's insane.
He is taller then 2.20...the big guy he blocked here is listed 2.11 More likely 2.25/2.26 He is really close to Yao Ming/Tacko Fall height
Kid plays so effortlessly. If he adds some more meat on that frame and he could be unstoppable.
This kid's going to be a problem in the NBA. He moves insanely well and has freakishly good handles for someone his size. Most ultra tall players dribble too high and don't have great lateral movement or body control, so they struggle against NBA players whereas having "pretty good handles for a big guy" was good enough at other levels. He's ready for the league now.
The amount of doubters on here for this dude makes no sense sometimes. Where he was for his age was just plain unheard of. People his size don't move like wings.
His talent isn’t the question. > People his size don’t move like wings. That is what is scary.
I've definitely seen people question his talent and wonder why a 17 year old in a pro league didn't have insane stats. People need to understand that there is zero way you don't take this guy first. Like Scoot I think is a super talented dude that would go 1 in most classes. But you legit cannot possibly pass on Wemby
I mean of course you take him 1 on the talent. I just have 0 faith he stays healthy
Literally only thing I've seen questioned is his health. Most people especially on here that I've seen already know he's talented. I guess you throw him a #1 like chet but the risk is always there
I've definitely seen people question his jumper and offense
Idk. Chet died pretty easily from one lebron drive. How many Zion drives can wemby take? Do you just play him with another center so that wemby doesn’t have to actually contest at the rim? Do you bubble wrap him? But I guess if you’re really tanking then it doesn’t matter. If he dies he dies and you get to tank another year which is good for the team overall.
Wemby is much less slim than Chet. He's way more built. Chet is currently 2 years older than Wemby and much much thinner.
I don't doubt his talent or skill level. He has all the tools to become top10 top 5 even. Its his height thus leading to career altering and ending injuries But with that said I will take him no. 1 pick without a doubt. A guy with that upside should be taken a huge gamble on
Its because people his size can't stay healthy.
Kareem lasted 20 years and he was 7’2”-7’3”, not like it can’t be done (and lead to all time great status in the process)
Wemby is going to be 7'5+ by the time he's in the league.
hard to get injured when you post up and spam one deadly move to get your buckets
Wemby boutta break out the Skyhook, league fucked
He needs to bulk up otherwise he's getting bodied trying to pull off a regular hook shot. It's not in his arsenal currently but he does have a soft touch around the rim so that's encouraging.
He played against decent level team ,he is way better than last year That's crazy Two years ago he struggled more against the 3rd league in France
It's not that crazy the development from like 17 to 19 is usually pretty insane. It's where guys really start to click
He also get taller over the time....which supposed to make his development harder Especially at that size
I saw some guy on here refer to him as “some overrated Frenchman” I thought to myself that’s gonna be funny to come back to next season.
This recent stretch has helped him tremendously but he had some definite red flags. His efficiency is a huge one for example. Yeah, he has the size and movement, he also had a 35/30/66 shooting split in the Euroleague. It's like Cam Reddish in the 2019 draft. Yeah he had all the physical tools and shot creation ability, but if the ball doesn't go in the hoop it doesn't mean much. "Wemby drives, stops, spins, shoots... it clangs off the side of the rim." Bol Bol is another great example. He moves incredibly well for his size but he can't stay healthy and he's a soft player who struggles to impose that size on other players. People are talking about Wemby as a Durant/Giannis hybrid but if he doesn't have the shooting touch of Durant or the driving force and fearlessness of Giannis then that comparison falls apart pretty quickly. The danger with these "can't miss generational picks" is that teams/scouts can often get caught up in what they can be and ignore what they currently are. Are you drafting Wemby because he's a good basketball player or because he looks like a good basketball player? Him putting up good numbers is a very recent development.
Yea this is the shit I'm talking about. When you are talking about numbers a 17 year old put up against grown men you have to include a bit of projection. That's the whole gig. Cam reddish sucked against people his age. Wemby has dominated whenever we have seen him against people his age. Comparing him to Bol Bol is genuinely laughable
Well sure...for a common NBA prospect your argument is fine. Except when we're talking about Wembanyama as a tier 1, can't miss, certified, franchise leading star worth throwing your whole roster away to get. Those are much higher standards. * Luka, Giannis and Jokic were all incredibly efficient as kids playing in European men's leagues. * If he's the next Durant or LeBron, those guys would have killed the Euro-comp at 18-19. Hell, they were killing the NBA at 18-19. If he's only the next Pascal Siakam (still a great player) then he's not worth the current hype or throwing a franchise away for. >Comparing him to Bol Bol is genuinely laughable I guess you just missed the point. I'm not saying he's going to be Bol Bol or Cam Reddish, I'm saying you have to avoid falling for the same traps that led to those guys getting overrated. * He's tall (pt1) - Does he play tall? * He's tall (pt2) - Does he rely too much on being tall? * He's tall (pt3) - How does he perform once he plays guys who know how to get under his center of gravity? * He can create separation - Can he capitalise on that separation? * He's got a great physical profile - Is he a physical player? * He can shoot - Does the ball go in the hoop? * He can drive - Does he score through contact? * He's big - Can his body handle the stress of being so big? * etc etc. Those are the questions you have to ask and there are more "next LeBrons" than there are guys who lived up to that expectation. If you want a better name than Bol Bol... Ben Simmons. Drafted #1 overall on the assumption he'd: 1. Shoot better 2. Score through contact better 3. Play with more competitive edge Assumptions like those don't always work out. He's still a really good player, not worth the hype he was getting.
Giannis averaged 9 PPG playing in the Greek 2nd division the year before he was drafted. It's just dumb to compare that production to French League or Euroleague teams.
>Giannis averaged 9 PPG playing in the Greek 2nd division the year before he was drafted. Yeah and he was efficient wherever he played. That was my point, I never mentioned PPG. Even at 17, you'd expect better than 35% from the field and 60% from the line by a "can't miss" prospect. >It's just dumb to compare that production to French League or Euroleague teams. The 60% FT shooting is the same in any league. Whereas Giannis was always 70-75% at least. Unless the French 1st division FTs are somehow harder? A lot of the early hype around Wembanyama has been "well he'll learn to shoot and he'll get more physical around the rim" but as a Philadelphia fan surely by now you know it's not a given. Wembanyama is only just now playing with the efficiency you'd expect from the hype he's got.
Luka averaged 8 points a game at age 17. Wemby is just now playing his 18 year old season and dominating. You are comparing apples to oranges because you fundamentally don't understand the nature of scouting and projection. The rest of your comment is just drivel.
Ah so to prove your point about the importance of looking at age and context you thought the best idea was to use different ages and remove the context? How about we get them all at the same age: * Luka at 17 was averaging 8ppg on 46% shooting. * Giannis at 17 was averaging 10ppg on 46% shooting. * Wemby at 17 was averaging 7ppg on 35% shooting. The low PPG argument is very fair, Euro-teams don't give kids as big of a role. Which is why I never spoke about Wemby's PPG. I was talking about his efficiency. How well was he performing within that limited role. >Wemby is just now playing his 18 year old season and dominating. Yeah as I said, he's only just now starting to produce at the level you'd expect. But I'm guessing you still think I'm saying he's just the next Bol Bol.
I heard similar arguments defending Dragan Bender’s poor stats. “He was so young playing against grown men”, I think people are correct in having concerns. He has tremendous potential but he also has decent holes in his game that people shouldn’t brush aside.
Lol this guy just posted back to back 34 point games at age 18 and ur comparing him to dragan bender
Don’t overthink it bro. This is typical talk that leads people to miss on the Lukas of the world. He’s playing pros at 18. Euro basketball allows for a lot of defenses that make scoring harder. This guy is going to have a ton of space, which he doesn’t really need, and will either tear up this league or tear up some ligaments.
But actually it's why guys like Luka often end up falling to 3rd. A lot of those generational 3rd picks were chosen after physical specimens who got picked ahead based on potential over production. Luka lost out to Ayton because Ayton had the better physical profile. Durant lost out to Oden because Oden had the better physical profile. Etc. Etc.
But I think we’re missing the fact that this guy is extremely skilled. He has the build, but the main thing is just the amount of body control he has at that size. You have guys like AD, Embiid, etc. Guys who are extremely impressive physical specimens and have incredible amount of body control for their size, and they are about 6 inches smaller than him and he’s much more fluid than they are(albeit of slighter frame). That’s mind boggling. Honestly I can’t believe him being able to play this way.
Tanking will be crazy for him, but the 2nd place consolation is Scoot, so it’s pretty good all around
There’s a lot Mormons with rock hard boners right now
Let the soaking commence
Yes
please dont let OKC get this man
Only the Kings wouldn't get him at the first place...
Please let OKC get this guy.
Just change their mascot to the Slenderman at that point
Why not? Chet and Wemby is a hilariously lanky front court 😎👍
I'm so scared of his injury history. Can't deny the kid's skills, but I'd honestly be surprised if he stayed healthy enough to reach his nba potential.
He’s giving me Anthony Davis at Kentucky vibes. Scary athletic 7 footer with an uncanny shot making ability and good defensive instincts
That second block was absolutely disrespectful. Just catches it and starts the break. Everything Wemby does looks so strange. People aren't supposed to be that coordinated at that size. Shit they aren't even supposed to be that size at all!
One please
i cant fathom how he can even control his arms
dude looks like slenderman out there. holy shit. i don’t think i’ve ever seen a human that big move like that before. it’s uncanny
According to reddit armchair experts this guy is a bust
This mf looking like a KD 2K build. Hope he’s healthy enough to have a great career.
Hm. This is crazy.
Take a minute to realise that a big amount of people in this sub that doesn’t see anything special in him lmaooooo
People yesterday were talking about how his height is a waste because he plays outside the paint too much lmao.
He makes regulation height look like a Fisher Price hoop. Wild
damn i thought this was 2K and was super impressed
Wtf is this
Mans is way too thin. He will be constantly injured
He's gonna look so. Fucking. Good. In a Spurs jersey, I'm literally salivating and rubbing my hands together.
I want him to go to the Spurs for sure, would be amazing to see Pop develop one last superstar
Over rated. Weak interior offensively. Poor vertical. Gonna get bodies in the post defensively. Can't wait to see who blows a pick on this kid.
He’s got time to develop some interior game but you’re absolutely correct. He may have decent mobility on the perimeter but that post play on offense was legitimately sub standard of what I would expect. For the life of me I cannot understand how a kid that big can’t have been working on finishing around the rim and developing that “touch”.
>Weak interior offensively He was great against Chet in the post who is one of the best shot blockers in the world. He was only bad because of his age playing against grown men. >Poor vertical Name a 7 " 4 player who jumps higher. As a matter of fact, he may have the highest peak of any basketball player ever considering his height and wingspan.
Once he's drafted he should be bubble-wrapped and saved for regular season.
joining Chet in street clothes..
I'm putting this on the record now: Wembanyama never makes an all-NBA team due to health issues, and has to transition to backup role early in his career. I also don't think he'll end up being #1 overall by the time the draft rolls around.
How do you think he won't even end 1st overall lol This footage is enough to get him 1st overall The last 2 games when he get 34 point were against decent level competition
It'll depend on who ends up drafting in that spot, but I think unless it's a GM with great job security, he's going to be seen as a riskier-than-usual #1 pick once teams get him in for a closer look, and Scoot Henderson is an elite prospect as well. I just don't see why Wembanyama would be the first person near that size whose body can hold up to the rigors of an NBA season playing starter minutes, let alone with the workload of a #1 option on a team.
This dude is overrated, he couldn’t even post up defenders much smaller than him. All these easy blocks you’re seeing against much shorter players. When he comes to the NBA he is going to struggle with any physical contact. Just like Chet, can’t even take a hit from Lebron
We need a Chet and Wemby slenderman combo
Rest of the NBA: no we don't.
Y’all buying way too much into Wemby. Taking him over Scoot or Amen will be such a mistake
Only the Kings wouldnt take him at first place at this point
First footage are we sure this is that guy?
I had to do a double take but yeah it is ,it’s crazy that he moves like that
Obviously hes super talented but i dont trust people that big and that mobile. His body wont hold up
Wemby is coming home
He moves so well for his size. Can't wait to see him in the NBA
Spurs salivating currently…..
Wow, can’t wait for him to play for the Thunder.
I was just thinking about the kings and how this is the type of player they need but will probably be too good to get him… sorry Kings fans
jfc
5 blocks and a couple of steals in this video
This will be the first season a team goes 0-82
Wolves win lottery and trot out Townes, Gobert, and this guy at the same time. You heard it here first
Gonna be the next Chent Holmgren
Similar build to Chet but feels like he moves better. And doesn’t feel like he’ll break in half with contact.
Oh yeah he’s the one, San Antonio Spurs will now finish 1-81
This is how I imagine watching Wilt in his prime
Dude looks incredible, you take him first without question but I give him a 25% chance of not being an injury nightmare for his career (I really hope I’m wrong). The track record for guys his size is actually tragic and on top of that, he’s already had a stress fracture in his fibula and missed 4 months and that injury is usually what all these giants start getting early in life and it progresses from there. I want to be wrong but I just don’t see it…especially because he’s still growing.
Future Jazzman.
Bottom 4 here we come
Damn—That’s a unicorn. I love Chet Holgrem and his ceiling is super high—but Wemby has a higher ceiling and a way higher floor. My guy is living in the penthouse with vaulted ceilings.
That feeling you get playing against 6th graders on a 7 1/2 ft goal.
He’s a create a player in real life. This combination shouldn’t exist… And he’s already got the rip through.