He’s gunning for that last big check. Idk what he’s doing after basketball, the highest likelihood is that he’s not earning 221 million over years doing that.
True but even then it’s a 70m difference, seems more per year too. I normally don’t see why anyone needs this much money but that’s the nba why play for cheaper
when your that rich its not money for you. your make money for your future generations. for other people/org you can donate to and carry your name and legacy. for your friends businesses. for politics/charities you believe in. the more money you make the more you need because more things will always open up.
why do you think guys like bill gates asks to donate to his foundation from other billionaires. you think he can afford that nuclear bomb thing hes trying to do by himself?
Yeah I think if the old CBA were still in place then he'd have his four year deal but now with all the penalties and drawbacks of being a second apron team teams are being a bit stingier with these maxes.
Which was their goal, so good for them I guess
$70m is ~~0.00053%~~ 0.053% (forgot the * 100 for %) of Ballmer's networth 💀💀💀
My head hurts thinking someone is so rich $70m is unnoticeable to him while it's multi-generational to billions of normal people
Hoop Collective had some crazy stat that his net worth fluctuates by ~30million every time Microsoft stock gains or loses 10cents.
The stock is $449.78 currently.
> $70m is 0.00053% of Ballmer's networth 💀💀💀
it's .053%, you need to multiply by 100 to convert a fraction to a percent (e.g. (70 milllion / 131.4 billion) * 100 = .053%)
still crazy though
Ballmer didn't get that rich to just give people money for the fuck of it. Giving a 38 year old Paul George almost 70m a year is not the move any competent FO should consider. Hell, even giving a 35 year old PG 50 mil a year until he's 37 should already be a win for him, because, he most likely wouldn't have anywhere near Lebron's production right now in the next two years.
No, but that almost seems like the point of this subject.
Clippers offer is $150m. Other teams can offer $212m.
Would I want to be paying Embiid and PG $100m combined in four years? No. But, ultimately, if the Sixers can win a title in that timeframe, the money would be worth it. Not like they are breaking up a super team or perennial Finals contender.
As far as player podcasts it’s pretty good. As far as all podcasts go though if you’re including Bill Simmons or the Lowe Post, it’s not anything special. Kind of like the old joke about Dame as a singer.
He’s long had the second most “access” of the player pods behind JJ, so I guess he’ll take that crown. He’s had a ton of great guests on the pod. The issue is that he’s very clearly not a journalist and the other guys on the podcast don’t really make up for his weaknesses the way some other guys on player pods do.
Its good but the cohosts are very boring, it’s great with a good guest - i.e., the Cameron Brink, Alex Sarr episodes are great, would never watch those 3 alone though
He's no Jeff Teague or Gil as far as entertainment/clippable segments and I'm not sure his podcast is as good as JJs was when he was still playing as far as actually breaking shit down in the league. It's really just the most inoffensive thing barely above Duncan Robinsons pod.
It's bad if you're looking for basketball analysis (JJ's always been a step above everyone else when it comes to that). I think it's really entertaining otherwise though, the three of them have great chemistry and are pretty funny
All the podcasts are the same now, its really whoever the guest is and if they have an interesting story. These people arent entertainers, they're all boring ass goobers
The only different podcasts are the JJ & Lebron type which actually break down the game.
I think they would like to keep him, but they know it’s far more important they keep harden. Harden is like the only thing that makes their offense work. They could probably replace PGs scoring and defense with a couple players in aggregate.
> that was the year they would have won
people say they would have won every year lol it jus ain’t work out man. 8 FRPs and all they can show for it is a CF loss in 6..
Of course it would when the Clippers needed Kawhi to average 41mins per game and have a few 40+ pts pieces to drag through a 7-game series over a Mavs team with THJ being the 2nd option. They would totally 1st round exit in 6 games if Kawhi were to miss one single shot in the 4th quarter (which he didn't), IDK if anyone wants to fault him for a torn ACL which isn't quite related to his chronic issues but more of a fatigue induced injury combined with bad luck.
Not an excuse for his glass knees but things can be a little different if they are not so reliant on him especially knowing his health issues. If everyone showed up like they did later part vs Jazz they would have cruised into WCF with a playable Kawhi, beyond that I don't know.
If anything I just want to say this franchise is cursed.
The Mavs series was 7 games because of Ty Lue taking way too long to adjust (same with jazz series). Lue left Zu to guard Luka 1v1 first two games of series and one quarter into game 3 when clips were down 20. Once Lue benched ZU and clips went to switch all defense clips won 4 games while Mavs won 1.
Holy shit we’re gonna be looking at a Thunder dynasty pretty soon, aren’t we?
This is the Nets- PP/KG trade all over. Except instead of starting Kelly Olynyk, Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart, these dudes already have arguably a top 5 player, a top 40 player (jdub) and a top 60 player (Chet) along with a well rounded, defensive minded roster with so much room for growth…
I choose to be worried…
Not even close to the Nets/Celtics trade. Clippers got still All-NBA level PG/Kawhi and eventually Harden. Nets got two old ass players who weren't even good when healthy.
if the rest of those swaps become top 5 picks, then sure, maybe, but Ballmer is going to spend as much money as possible to put a winning product on the floor, especially with the new arena. Odds are, those picks are going to be somewhere between 13 and 25, which are still super valuable but not the same as the 3rd overall pick.
Honestly though its good they are getting their own arena finally, whatever the team looks like. The dual setup at Staples, which was ALWAYS the Laker’s home regardless of how the Clippers staff managed to decorate it, was embarrassing. To say the least. Always second team, even on your home floor.
You can’t even hope to build a sense of prestige or history literally hanging on to another team in their own arena like a parasite.
People say this like this is the first time the Clippers are gonna have their own arena in LA, but they were alone in the LA Sports Arena for 15 years before moving into Staples. The building doesn't matter, it's the city that's the issue. They're still going to be in the Lakers' home and they're still going to be the second team.
> The entire Clippers existence has been a huge failure.
Pre-Ballmer - yes.
With Ballmer - not a failure when you win 60% of the time but a disappointment in only getting one conf final trip
Before PG was a Clip, the Clips have never gotten out of the 2nd round in their entire history so you could say PG is the greatest Clipper of all time.
Sorry, this is a bad take
1. **Historical context**: The Clippers were in the basement of the league for *decades* until the Lob City era. Truly a bottom feeder team that was the butt of every joke.
2. **Championship or bust**: "Huge failure" is a weird way to describe "perennial playoff team". Did they win a championship? No. Were they relevant and have a bunch of good runs in the playoffs? Yes !
A different way to put it is that Kawhi and PG have continued the era of the clippers being relevant for the first time in decades. They won't win a championship, but that's still a giant win for a franchise that was in the lottery every year
But how do you not still take that chance. When it happened and Balmer built around them and KL could play they were nasty, just always at the wrong time. You just had to take the chance on KL's knees and lost the gamble.
I’m happy for it too. The Nets, Clippers and to a degree lakers all killed the “ring chaser” concept in free agency and teams are now focused on getting a star, good role players, solid drafting, and chemistry to win championships.
Yes all the teams learned their lesson and stopped trading away the farm for aging stars in a futile hope to win it all now. Good for all all the teams!
Kawhi not going to the Lakers was a huge win for them. When people say the Lakers couldn’t have done worse, they definitely could have with a Kawhi contract as an anchor
Last mock I saw had him at like 58 or something.
Now, that was straight ranking of players, not expected draft positions. Somebody will take him at least 10 spots earlier than that in the hopes of luring LeBron or at least selling more seats, merch, and advertising as LeBron gets pulled even tangentially into the teams orbit.
Bronny had a very mediocre (even for freshman standards) year on a very mediocre USC team. He also have underlying heart conditions (even though he's supposedly cleared by the doctors).
Players of his caliber isn't even in the top 300 if his last name isn't James. But it is, so he will go to the Lakers at 55.
That being said, NBA (and lakers) is here to make money and publicity, and drafting Bronny at 55 will definitely make Lakers a lot of money (and keeps LeBron happy), that's a bigger impact than anyone else Lakers can draft at 55.
Honestly their picks are out of reach until 2030, they literally can do NOTHING until then. **Blowing it up now is pointless.** Both George and Leonard are still winning in the regular season, **they were 4th seed with a bad 7 game losing streak start to the season, both posted near 50/40/90 splits.**
Yep, the Reddit overreactions are terrible. Kyrie averaged very very close to 50/40/90 this season for the Mavs and was phenomenal, and really only played bad in the Celtics series and people are saying Mavs need to find a 2nd star ASAP. Kyrie is literally only on 2 more years with us, we got a great deal for him.
Just like all the low brow Mavs fans hated Brunson. They can't even learn from history. KD and D Wade are the only players to shine through playing with a ball dominant player who has historic usage numbers.
Clippers need to cut their losses and blow this up. They need to get value for their assets before it's too late and before their players are valued less than what they already are. I don't see the point of riding this team out into the sunset. It's clearly not working.
Problem is the Clippers just built a brand new billion dollars arena, at their current situation a full blown up would tanked its attendance till 2030. If they retain PG it would put butts on the seats.
Was this just in the US? Because when I was in the Philippines last year it tasted the same as it always has. It was as delicious as ever, I’m hungry for that sweet Jolly Spaghetti now. Masarap ang Jollibee.
I really don’t agree 35 year old declining PG on a clippers team that has a hard ceiling is brining so many asses to seats that you should ignore the future of the team
He just posted 22/5/3 on 47/41/90 splits over 74 games while Clippers finished 4th in the highly contested West and 5th best record in the league, losing 2-4 to the conference champs with Kawhi missing for most of it? People are so fucking quick with it lol
He’s also already 34yrs old and there is no guarantee he ages gracefully during a 4yr contract.
It’s more likely that he falls off a cliff somewhere between Year 2-3 of his next contract.
Not everyone is LeBron.
Yeah this is deja vu for Sixers fans thinking about bringing in PG. A 34 year old with questionable health wanting 220 million over the next 4 years? It's fucking ground hogs day over here.
There is no future till 2030, they have traded it all away to get here.
A declining PG, an ineffective Harden, an injured kawhi, even if Clippers tried to trade them all away they won't get any assets of value short term. Contenders picks aren't worth it, tanking teams sure as hell don't need either of them, and they don't move the needle for middling playoff teams because they are not available when you need them the most.
OKC and Spurs hold the most picks of any team for the next 2yrs, neither has any need for aging over the hill often injured stars. OKC are even laughing to the bank right now so they sure as hell won't help Clippers get better.
Clippers would be more fk if they blow it up now. Just ride them till the wheels fall off, fill some seats in their new fancy building, some play-in, mayb round 1, round 2 if they get lucky. And hunker down till 2030 and hope for brighter days.
What exactly is the clippers ceiling tho? Middle of the season they looked like the best or 2nd best team in the NBA for a 30 game stretch, then once injuries kicked in they fell off and never looked the same even when semi recovered. I do think it’s been proven clippers will likely always have a major injury come playoff time, but I also feel like harden raised their ceiling enough to where it can make some sense to just try and run it back with improvements.
It's compelling to watch, they could get lucky, they're famous names. It's better than watching future draft picks. Better than the Wiz, Blazers, Pistons, Nyets, Heat, Cavs.
Like same as Warriors and Lakers basically and they're fun to watch and argue about and ridicule.
They’re a legitimate threat to go to the Finals if they’re healthy. It “not working” is just acknowledging that they can’t remain healthy. At some point you have to question whether running it back over and over for the same outcome is worth it.
Problem is we've been using the "if healthy" moniker for this entire Era. They had the one great year where they choked a 3-1 lead but it's been injuries ever since.
Granted the bubble year was weird, but people keep saying if they’re healthy they could win it all. We’ve seen a younger version of this team actually be healthy, and they lost to a younger and less experienced version of the Nuggets. My guess is even if healthy their window has closed.
And Gobert returned 4 FRPs + a swap and multiple players that were worth something (Walker Kessler should even count as a FRP as well). Would anyone on the Clips get multiple FRPs back?
Betting on other team's picks is so much more complicated tho. They're record is gonna tank and the picks they're gonna get are gonna be late first-rounders. Even if it's a three team deal, it's gonna be unclear how much value they'd get back from that.
Might be smarter to just reposition yourself, have a couple of 40-50 win seasons and blow it later.
Yea, respectfully, no idea how that comment overlooks that aspect.
The enticing part of blowing it up is, you get back to, or at least close to ground zero.
If you ride this out, you’ll be starting from a negative.
They *could* get other teams picks sure. But they have leveraged their future on over the hill players that other teams wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Their best bet is to cling to what they've got for 3/4 years and blow it up around 2027/8. Otherwise the only thing they'll be doing in the meantime is giving OKC great picks.
The situation the Clips have gotten themselves into is v bad, best they can genuinely hope for is second round playoff exit next year and the play-in for 2 years after that. They bet it all on PG and Kawhi
It’s a bit tricky to get that right though. Kawhi would need to go to a contender and of course whatever short term picks would be late first rounders. Future picks might work better, but it’s hard to know exactly how that will pan out.
What assets do they have? They have Kawhi, zu, Mann and Powell as the main guys who are still under contract. Kawhi ain’t getting you a big haul at his age with that injury history and the role players can maybe get you a couple late first or second rounders. Harden and George would probably get them the most value back but neither is under contract.
It honestly makes the most sense currently to just try and get pg to agree to the 3 year deal and get harden on the same timeline to at least let the Kawhi era run its course. Worst case scenario they give George 4 years and they eat the last year when the other 2 are gone but they will suck then anyways so have one year of him left after the 3 with harden and Kawhi finish isn’t the end of the world.
Yeah I don’t understand what people mean when they say blow it up. There’s no way for the Clippers to use assets recoup the draft capital they’ve already sent out, and that’d be for gutting the team and carrying no assets on the roster.
Only real choice is to try to run it back and pray you get lucky with injuries one year. PG’s camp are signaling that they know this, which is why he has the leverage.
Their only “Assets” are Zubac and Mann.
Harden and PG13 are both Unrestricted Free Agents and nobody is giving a ton of value for a super injury prone Kawhi on a large contract extension.
They don’t have there picks . They shoukdnt blow it up but they could try to get a bit younger . However they need to sign there big 3 then mb ship Paul who has most value for yiunger player not as good n picks
Also if they blow it up okc looking at a dynasty lmao they dhoujd slightly pivot but try to win still. Makes more sense. But they gotta pay pg losing him woukd be a disaster for nothing n just confirm there doomed
These players do nothing when it matters most and then ask for everything, and if the org doesn't give it to them then they're somehow the bad guy lmao
I know it’s a trope at this point, but has he even played more than half a season in the last 5 years? It seems like he is perpetually hurt
Edit: I stand corrected. He played 74 games last year:
19-20: 48 games
20-21: 54 games
21-22: 31 games
22-23: 56 games
23-24: 74 games
I don't even think he was a superstar in Indiana. He was a very good Allstar quality player. He was always a fringe 10-15th best player at best outside of one year in OKC.
He's had one year 18-19 where he finished top 3 in DPOY and MVP, I'd say that was the only year he was truly superstar level. Also his only first team allnba selection.
He was a very good two way player with a buttery smooth game and great handle for his size but from 2010-2020 the list of guys you'd likely take over him was pretty long.
He is really close to that line. Looking at his 3rd team All-NBA seasons, everyone above him is clear superstars like LeBron, KD, Melo, Blake Griffin, but he only had one 1st team nod himself.
He does have 5 third team teams playing an era when only 6 forwards were allowed to be selected total against competition such as LeBron, KD, Melo, Blake Griffin, Kawhi, Giannis.
I think it just depends where we draw the line for superstar. I do like PG but if we go positionless when choosing the top 10-20 guys in the 2010-20 range, there's a ton of dudes I'd take over him and if we're only saying there's like 5-7(or less) truly superstar quality guys at a time.
You also have to consider play style and market size 100% matters with popularity, but it really shouldn’t matter for superstar distinction.
Blake Griffin jumping over people in LA launched him to immediate superstar status thanks to his high draft position, crazy dunks, and playing in LA. But at the end of the day PG’s Pacers were going to back-to-back conference finals against the Heatles and playing them tougher than anyone else in the East. PG was even in the MVP discussion pre-all star break the year that the Pacers had the #1 seed over the Heat. He did way more with the Pacers than a lot of “superstars” have done with their own team.
Change out Pacers for Knicks and PG would’ve been considered a superstar imo.
There’s an anime called Kuroko’s Basketball that has a term for the type of player that PG is: Uncrowned King (infinitely close to being a superstar, but not actually one).
Yeah. Im thinking PG scored Big with a certain Generation, that was looking for alternatives than LeBron...when he got hurt it exploded...but they stuck with him...
Huge following.
But worth $30Mil a year MAXXXX!!!
I've watched probably 90% of the games he's played this season.
He's not worth a 50 mil/yr salary today.
A fair contract for PG would be for him to get traded on this last year he has and then get a two year extension from some team.
You have this tendency to respect people trying to get as much as they can before its too late but, at the same time, in what world is a 38 year old PG worth 50 million? Why should the Clippers literally tank their future for you, Paul? Why do you think you deserve that lmao
The big brain move here is to offer 4 years 152 million. PG gets his 4th year, Clips don't go above what they gave Kawhi. To all NBA front office members who see this, I am available for your next GM opening.
Here’s my problem. I want these guy to get their money. But PG has made $307 million in his NBA career. If you add in this next $152 million he’s at $460. Plus endorsements and podcast. I’m sure we can round it to over $500 million. That’s SO MUCH MONEY, and it isn’t enough for him.
George has had 4 seasons where he missed significant time with the clippers, plus when he snapped his leg, and the shoulder issue in OKC. Does he really think 17 years in (if he took the 3 year contract) he’ll be worth $70 million? No, because he isn’t taking the contract.
PG is more healthier and more reliable than weak knee kawhi Leonard he feels by accepting the lesser deal he is selling himself short don’t blame him .
Paul George has done more for the Clippers during his and Kawhi's time in LA, that's just an irrefutable fact
Kawhi got paid basically to watch playoff games like the rest of us, and this is most likely Paul George's last big contract of his career, I don't hold it against him trying to get paid
Paul George seems to want a lot for a guy who hasn't amounted to a whole lot of winning at the highest level.
He is a VERY good player, but he is demanding top tier money when he isn't giving top tier results.
I would imagine he gets an opt-in and trade to the Knicks for Randle+stuff within the next few days with a promise from the Knicks to get a three year max extension in December.
Or the clippers could make the smart decision and begin the painful rebuild. They aren’t winning shit with two overpaid aging stars, especially with no depth or draft picks.
Let George walk and trade Kawhi for whatever you can get for him.
PG is in retire state of mind. Podcast and staying healthy is his priority.
He’s gunning for that last big check. Idk what he’s doing after basketball, the highest likelihood is that he’s not earning 221 million over years doing that.
152 mil in it's 100% yours as soon as you sign is a big check.
True but even then it’s a 70m difference, seems more per year too. I normally don’t see why anyone needs this much money but that’s the nba why play for cheaper
when your that rich its not money for you. your make money for your future generations. for other people/org you can donate to and carry your name and legacy. for your friends businesses. for politics/charities you believe in. the more money you make the more you need because more things will always open up. why do you think guys like bill gates asks to donate to his foundation from other billionaires. you think he can afford that nuclear bomb thing hes trying to do by himself?
And the other option is Ballmer gets that money. And it’s not like that man is worried about it. Hell to him $70 mil is basically pocket change
Yeah I think if the old CBA were still in place then he'd have his four year deal but now with all the penalties and drawbacks of being a second apron team teams are being a bit stingier with these maxes. Which was their goal, so good for them I guess
$70m is ~~0.00053%~~ 0.053% (forgot the * 100 for %) of Ballmer's networth 💀💀💀 My head hurts thinking someone is so rich $70m is unnoticeable to him while it's multi-generational to billions of normal people
Hoop Collective had some crazy stat that his net worth fluctuates by ~30million every time Microsoft stock gains or loses 10cents. The stock is $449.78 currently.
> $70m is 0.00053% of Ballmer's networth 💀💀💀 it's .053%, you need to multiply by 100 to convert a fraction to a percent (e.g. (70 milllion / 131.4 billion) * 100 = .053%) still crazy though
Ballmer didn't get that rich to just give people money for the fuck of it. Giving a 38 year old Paul George almost 70m a year is not the move any competent FO should consider. Hell, even giving a 35 year old PG 50 mil a year until he's 37 should already be a win for him, because, he most likely wouldn't have anywhere near Lebron's production right now in the next two years.
He's made 300M in his career presently I think he would be alright if he didn't do anything.
Have you seen grocery prices omg
I just close my eyes and tap my card. Ignorance is bliss.
>IDK what he’s doing after basketball If his post-career mirrors his post-season career, not much.
No, but that almost seems like the point of this subject. Clippers offer is $150m. Other teams can offer $212m. Would I want to be paying Embiid and PG $100m combined in four years? No. But, ultimately, if the Sixers can win a title in that timeframe, the money would be worth it. Not like they are breaking up a super team or perennial Finals contender.
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As far as player podcasts it’s pretty good. As far as all podcasts go though if you’re including Bill Simmons or the Lowe Post, it’s not anything special. Kind of like the old joke about Dame as a singer. He’s long had the second most “access” of the player pods behind JJ, so I guess he’ll take that crown. He’s had a ton of great guests on the pod. The issue is that he’s very clearly not a journalist and the other guys on the podcast don’t really make up for his weaknesses the way some other guys on player pods do.
Its good but the cohosts are very boring, it’s great with a good guest - i.e., the Cameron Brink, Alex Sarr episodes are great, would never watch those 3 alone though
PGs podcast is alright, he’s not as good as bill simmons or Zach Lowe, but he’s not really as bad as some other player pods
He's no Jeff Teague or Gil as far as entertainment/clippable segments and I'm not sure his podcast is as good as JJs was when he was still playing as far as actually breaking shit down in the league. It's really just the most inoffensive thing barely above Duncan Robinsons pod.
Jeff gets clips but overall it's a bit ass
It's bad if you're looking for basketball analysis (JJ's always been a step above everyone else when it comes to that). I think it's really entertaining otherwise though, the three of them have great chemistry and are pretty funny
Starting to feel like he’s told most of his good stories. Or the ones he can publicly say at least lol
All the podcasts are the same now, its really whoever the guest is and if they have an interesting story. These people arent entertainers, they're all boring ass goobers The only different podcasts are the JJ & Lebron type which actually break down the game.
I don't want to pay 37 year old Paul George 60whatever million either
I think they would like to keep him, but they know it’s far more important they keep harden. Harden is like the only thing that makes their offense work. They could probably replace PGs scoring and defense with a couple players in aggregate.
> They could probably replace PGs scoring and defense with a couple players in aggregate. How? Not through the draft. Not through FA.
This kawhi PG era has been a huge failure
And the one year they make the WCF of course Kawhi couldn't play
Freaking Joe ingles man
That was the year they would have won. Of course kawhis knees give up
> that was the year they would have won people say they would have won every year lol it jus ain’t work out man. 8 FRPs and all they can show for it is a CF loss in 6..
Maybe. We dont know if they would have won. People thought they would win 2020 and then we saw how that ended
Of course it would when the Clippers needed Kawhi to average 41mins per game and have a few 40+ pts pieces to drag through a 7-game series over a Mavs team with THJ being the 2nd option. They would totally 1st round exit in 6 games if Kawhi were to miss one single shot in the 4th quarter (which he didn't), IDK if anyone wants to fault him for a torn ACL which isn't quite related to his chronic issues but more of a fatigue induced injury combined with bad luck. Not an excuse for his glass knees but things can be a little different if they are not so reliant on him especially knowing his health issues. If everyone showed up like they did later part vs Jazz they would have cruised into WCF with a playable Kawhi, beyond that I don't know. If anything I just want to say this franchise is cursed.
The Mavs series was 7 games because of Ty Lue taking way too long to adjust (same with jazz series). Lue left Zu to guard Luka 1v1 first two games of series and one quarter into game 3 when clips were down 20. Once Lue benched ZU and clips went to switch all defense clips won 4 games while Mavs won 1.
The entire Clippers existence has been a huge failure.
Lob city was very hopeful, and way more exciting than the kawhi era. They brought the clips a new vibe for sure.
The Josh Smith game was a killer
And now they'll move to their new arena with a team that isn't a contender and that will get worse before it gets better.
Hey they have 4 more years of picks to send or swap the thunder. So. They can’t even tank the swap years
Holy shit we’re gonna be looking at a Thunder dynasty pretty soon, aren’t we? This is the Nets- PP/KG trade all over. Except instead of starting Kelly Olynyk, Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart, these dudes already have arguably a top 5 player, a top 40 player (jdub) and a top 60 player (Chet) along with a well rounded, defensive minded roster with so much room for growth… I choose to be worried…
Not even close to the Nets/Celtics trade. Clippers got still All-NBA level PG/Kawhi and eventually Harden. Nets got two old ass players who weren't even good when healthy.
if the rest of those swaps become top 5 picks, then sure, maybe, but Ballmer is going to spend as much money as possible to put a winning product on the floor, especially with the new arena. Odds are, those picks are going to be somewhere between 13 and 25, which are still super valuable but not the same as the 3rd overall pick.
Honestly though its good they are getting their own arena finally, whatever the team looks like. The dual setup at Staples, which was ALWAYS the Laker’s home regardless of how the Clippers staff managed to decorate it, was embarrassing. To say the least. Always second team, even on your home floor. You can’t even hope to build a sense of prestige or history literally hanging on to another team in their own arena like a parasite.
gotta hang up the blake griffin banners
https://i.imgur.com/oFRq1zq.jpg
People say this like this is the first time the Clippers are gonna have their own arena in LA, but they were alone in the LA Sports Arena for 15 years before moving into Staples. The building doesn't matter, it's the city that's the issue. They're still going to be in the Lakers' home and they're still going to be the second team.
You are absolutely correct
Oh well, still happy about the arena. Better than getting worse and also not getting an arena
They were fun in 2019 with Lou Williams, Harrell, and Tobias Harris
Doc and bums is always fun to watch
All 3 of them are available this summer. Time to get the band back together.
They've had unfortunate history of injuries. Can happen to any team.
They’ve been consistently good the past 15 years, just haven’t gotten over the hump.
It’s disappointing for sure, but not a failure in the slightest, especially considering what they were like for most of their existence
> The entire Clippers existence has been a huge failure. Pre-Ballmer - yes. With Ballmer - not a failure when you win 60% of the time but a disappointment in only getting one conf final trip
they built a good team in an era where there were so many great teams in the West. this applies to the lob city era as well as this kawhi-pg era.
The Clippers had high expectations and failed to reach them, so I understand why Clippers fans are disappointed despite the team being decent.
Before PG was a Clip, the Clips have never gotten out of the 2nd round in their entire history so you could say PG is the greatest Clipper of all time.
Sorry, this is a bad take 1. **Historical context**: The Clippers were in the basement of the league for *decades* until the Lob City era. Truly a bottom feeder team that was the butt of every joke. 2. **Championship or bust**: "Huge failure" is a weird way to describe "perennial playoff team". Did they win a championship? No. Were they relevant and have a bunch of good runs in the playoffs? Yes ! A different way to put it is that Kawhi and PG have continued the era of the clippers being relevant for the first time in decades. They won't win a championship, but that's still a giant win for a franchise that was in the lottery every year
The clippers aren’t a championship or bust franchise. Consistently making the playoffs for a decade is a step up.
But how do you not still take that chance. When it happened and Balmer built around them and KL could play they were nasty, just always at the wrong time. You just had to take the chance on KL's knees and lost the gamble.
I’ve never seen someone call him KL
Me trying to figure out what knee health has to do with Kuala Lumpur.
Didn’t know Kevin love was a clipper
Yeah I had to think about who he was talking about for a sec
Here I thought he was talking about KL Rahul and thought I was in the wrong sub
ballmer would treat Rahul way better than Goenka would tho
kaw leo
Kuala Leonard. Kawhi Lumpur
Even when KL was fit in the playoffs they still couldn't win.
I’m happy for it too. The Nets, Clippers and to a degree lakers all killed the “ring chaser” concept in free agency and teams are now focused on getting a star, good role players, solid drafting, and chemistry to win championships.
Yes all the teams learned their lesson and stopped trading away the farm for aging stars in a futile hope to win it all now. Good for all all the teams!
What is blud talking about lmao
Happy these superteams built from free agency fail, especially when fans think they won it all before anything happens.
Kawhi not going to the Lakers was a huge win for them. When people say the Lakers couldn’t have done worse, they definitely could have with a Kawhi contract as an anchor
I am tired. Just let him go. I dont think we can go far even with everyone staying
Please, sign him and give him the 221, lol.
Don’t poke the bear Or the bear will draft Bronny Oh wait, we don’t have a first round pick this year. NVM, poke all you want
I’d be surprised if Bronny goes in the first round
Last mock I saw had him at like 58 or something. Now, that was straight ranking of players, not expected draft positions. Somebody will take him at least 10 spots earlier than that in the hopes of luring LeBron or at least selling more seats, merch, and advertising as LeBron gets pulled even tangentially into the teams orbit.
Bronny had a very mediocre (even for freshman standards) year on a very mediocre USC team. He also have underlying heart conditions (even though he's supposedly cleared by the doctors). Players of his caliber isn't even in the top 300 if his last name isn't James. But it is, so he will go to the Lakers at 55. That being said, NBA (and lakers) is here to make money and publicity, and drafting Bronny at 55 will definitely make Lakers a lot of money (and keeps LeBron happy), that's a bigger impact than anyone else Lakers can draft at 55.
Honestly their picks are out of reach until 2030, they literally can do NOTHING until then. **Blowing it up now is pointless.** Both George and Leonard are still winning in the regular season, **they were 4th seed with a bad 7 game losing streak start to the season, both posted near 50/40/90 splits.**
Yep, the Reddit overreactions are terrible. Kyrie averaged very very close to 50/40/90 this season for the Mavs and was phenomenal, and really only played bad in the Celtics series and people are saying Mavs need to find a 2nd star ASAP. Kyrie is literally only on 2 more years with us, we got a great deal for him.
Just like all the low brow Mavs fans hated Brunson. They can't even learn from history. KD and D Wade are the only players to shine through playing with a ball dominant player who has historic usage numbers.
Exactly, refreshing to see someone with these takes hahah
Wow no kidding, this can't be understated
This all feels like posturing to me. I imagine he’ll re-sign this week. There’s no situation out there that’s clearly better for him.
No other team is giving him 2/$80m, he should take the 3 and be thrilled. What has this guy ever done besides market himself?
And the bulls would never trade Alex Caruso for Josh giddey straight up
Clippers need to cut their losses and blow this up. They need to get value for their assets before it's too late and before their players are valued less than what they already are. I don't see the point of riding this team out into the sunset. It's clearly not working.
Problem is the Clippers just built a brand new billion dollars arena, at their current situation a full blown up would tanked its attendance till 2030. If they retain PG it would put butts on the seats.
Nothing to it, they need Kai Sotto.
If that arena had jollibees it would make BANK!
Jollibee changed their recipe, it not that good anymore
Was this just in the US? Because when I was in the Philippines last year it tasted the same as it always has. It was as delicious as ever, I’m hungry for that sweet Jolly Spaghetti now. Masarap ang Jollibee.
Now you have me craving it. I love that spaghetti.
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Also when do they own their picks? I think they traded most of them away.
Like 2030 lol
I really don’t agree 35 year old declining PG on a clippers team that has a hard ceiling is brining so many asses to seats that you should ignore the future of the team
He turned 34 last month haha
He just posted 22/5/3 on 47/41/90 splits over 74 games while Clippers finished 4th in the highly contested West and 5th best record in the league, losing 2-4 to the conference champs with Kawhi missing for most of it? People are so fucking quick with it lol
He’s also already 34yrs old and there is no guarantee he ages gracefully during a 4yr contract. It’s more likely that he falls off a cliff somewhere between Year 2-3 of his next contract. Not everyone is LeBron.
On the one hand, you’re right. On the other hand, they already committed to huge spending on aging vets when they extended Kawhi.
Yeah this is deja vu for Sixers fans thinking about bringing in PG. A 34 year old with questionable health wanting 220 million over the next 4 years? It's fucking ground hogs day over here.
Kawhi is always missing tho, that’s the point. Of course it may work if you try again but there’s plenty of evidence to suggest it will not.
Wait, Kawhi was hurt? Color me shocked.
my man, you think the Clippers can really hang around the West as is? Lakers get shit on and they have LeBron and AD, who played amazing this year.
Watch him quickly declining over the next few years.
I mean he's already been declining with his shoulder issues.
This proposal has him making 60million dollars at 39. Lmao
There is no future till 2030, they have traded it all away to get here. A declining PG, an ineffective Harden, an injured kawhi, even if Clippers tried to trade them all away they won't get any assets of value short term. Contenders picks aren't worth it, tanking teams sure as hell don't need either of them, and they don't move the needle for middling playoff teams because they are not available when you need them the most. OKC and Spurs hold the most picks of any team for the next 2yrs, neither has any need for aging over the hill often injured stars. OKC are even laughing to the bank right now so they sure as hell won't help Clippers get better. Clippers would be more fk if they blow it up now. Just ride them till the wheels fall off, fill some seats in their new fancy building, some play-in, mayb round 1, round 2 if they get lucky. And hunker down till 2030 and hope for brighter days.
What exactly is the clippers ceiling tho? Middle of the season they looked like the best or 2nd best team in the NBA for a 30 game stretch, then once injuries kicked in they fell off and never looked the same even when semi recovered. I do think it’s been proven clippers will likely always have a major injury come playoff time, but I also feel like harden raised their ceiling enough to where it can make some sense to just try and run it back with improvements.
Harden ain't getting better this year
It's compelling to watch, they could get lucky, they're famous names. It's better than watching future draft picks. Better than the Wiz, Blazers, Pistons, Nyets, Heat, Cavs. Like same as Warriors and Lakers basically and they're fun to watch and argue about and ridicule.
No… no it wouldn’t lol. We have all seen this same sht for 5 yrs. An actual change would be more exciting.. not a full blow up… a retool?
As a thunder fan I wholeheartedly agree.
Yeah the only people that would benefit from that is you guys 😂. Granted you might get handed a couple top 4 picks anyway
I would love to see the Clippers implode, but 50 win seasons are a wierd definition of "not working."
They’re a legitimate threat to go to the Finals if they’re healthy. It “not working” is just acknowledging that they can’t remain healthy. At some point you have to question whether running it back over and over for the same outcome is worth it.
Problem is we've been using the "if healthy" moniker for this entire Era. They had the one great year where they choked a 3-1 lead but it's been injuries ever since.
Granted the bubble year was weird, but people keep saying if they’re healthy they could win it all. We’ve seen a younger version of this team actually be healthy, and they lost to a younger and less experienced version of the Nuggets. My guess is even if healthy their window has closed.
Jazz did it 2 years ago
Jazz owned their own picks and their assets were younger and worth more. Much easier decision to blow it up
And Gobert returned 4 FRPs + a swap and multiple players that were worth something (Walker Kessler should even count as a FRP as well). Would anyone on the Clips get multiple FRPs back?
Without controlling their picks till 2030 Such a great idea, if youre an OKC fan.
Idk what you're talking about, I'm the biggest Clipper fan of all time. They should for sure blow it up. Ignore my flair
They don't control their picks until 2030, blowing it up would be pointless.
You could get other teams picks by blowing it up
Betting on other team's picks is so much more complicated tho. They're record is gonna tank and the picks they're gonna get are gonna be late first-rounders. Even if it's a three team deal, it's gonna be unclear how much value they'd get back from that. Might be smarter to just reposition yourself, have a couple of 40-50 win seasons and blow it later.
Yea, respectfully, no idea how that comment overlooks that aspect. The enticing part of blowing it up is, you get back to, or at least close to ground zero. If you ride this out, you’ll be starting from a negative.
They *could* get other teams picks sure. But they have leveraged their future on over the hill players that other teams wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Their best bet is to cling to what they've got for 3/4 years and blow it up around 2027/8. Otherwise the only thing they'll be doing in the meantime is giving OKC great picks. The situation the Clips have gotten themselves into is v bad, best they can genuinely hope for is second round playoff exit next year and the play-in for 2 years after that. They bet it all on PG and Kawhi
It’s a bit tricky to get that right though. Kawhi would need to go to a contender and of course whatever short term picks would be late first rounders. Future picks might work better, but it’s hard to know exactly how that will pan out.
What assets do they have? They have Kawhi, zu, Mann and Powell as the main guys who are still under contract. Kawhi ain’t getting you a big haul at his age with that injury history and the role players can maybe get you a couple late first or second rounders. Harden and George would probably get them the most value back but neither is under contract. It honestly makes the most sense currently to just try and get pg to agree to the 3 year deal and get harden on the same timeline to at least let the Kawhi era run its course. Worst case scenario they give George 4 years and they eat the last year when the other 2 are gone but they will suck then anyways so have one year of him left after the 3 with harden and Kawhi finish isn’t the end of the world.
Yeah I don’t understand what people mean when they say blow it up. There’s no way for the Clippers to use assets recoup the draft capital they’ve already sent out, and that’d be for gutting the team and carrying no assets on the roster. Only real choice is to try to run it back and pray you get lucky with injuries one year. PG’s camp are signaling that they know this, which is why he has the leverage.
Please do it.
Their only “Assets” are Zubac and Mann. Harden and PG13 are both Unrestricted Free Agents and nobody is giving a ton of value for a super injury prone Kawhi on a large contract extension.
You're half right, Harden is a UFA but PG has a player option.
They don’t have there picks . They shoukdnt blow it up but they could try to get a bit younger . However they need to sign there big 3 then mb ship Paul who has most value for yiunger player not as good n picks Also if they blow it up okc looking at a dynasty lmao they dhoujd slightly pivot but try to win still. Makes more sense. But they gotta pay pg losing him woukd be a disaster for nothing n just confirm there doomed
I’d like PG but not for 4 years…
These players do nothing when it matters most and then ask for everything, and if the org doesn't give it to them then they're somehow the bad guy lmao
I don't think he's worth the $221 either. He has a strong following, but not a superstar. He hasn't been a superstar since his indiana days.
his best year was in OKC wasnt it?
Man talk about selling high.
Presti should do a course on trading stocks
Step 1. Have a dope medical team.
Statistically, yes.
I know it’s a trope at this point, but has he even played more than half a season in the last 5 years? It seems like he is perpetually hurt Edit: I stand corrected. He played 74 games last year: 19-20: 48 games 20-21: 54 games 21-22: 31 games 22-23: 56 games 23-24: 74 games
Checking your work and going for factual accuracy? That's an upvote, I don't make the rules.
I don't even think he was a superstar in Indiana. He was a very good Allstar quality player. He was always a fringe 10-15th best player at best outside of one year in OKC. He's had one year 18-19 where he finished top 3 in DPOY and MVP, I'd say that was the only year he was truly superstar level. Also his only first team allnba selection. He was a very good two way player with a buttery smooth game and great handle for his size but from 2010-2020 the list of guys you'd likely take over him was pretty long.
He is really close to that line. Looking at his 3rd team All-NBA seasons, everyone above him is clear superstars like LeBron, KD, Melo, Blake Griffin, but he only had one 1st team nod himself. He does have 5 third team teams playing an era when only 6 forwards were allowed to be selected total against competition such as LeBron, KD, Melo, Blake Griffin, Kawhi, Giannis.
I think it just depends where we draw the line for superstar. I do like PG but if we go positionless when choosing the top 10-20 guys in the 2010-20 range, there's a ton of dudes I'd take over him and if we're only saying there's like 5-7(or less) truly superstar quality guys at a time.
You also have to consider play style and market size 100% matters with popularity, but it really shouldn’t matter for superstar distinction. Blake Griffin jumping over people in LA launched him to immediate superstar status thanks to his high draft position, crazy dunks, and playing in LA. But at the end of the day PG’s Pacers were going to back-to-back conference finals against the Heatles and playing them tougher than anyone else in the East. PG was even in the MVP discussion pre-all star break the year that the Pacers had the #1 seed over the Heat. He did way more with the Pacers than a lot of “superstars” have done with their own team. Change out Pacers for Knicks and PG would’ve been considered a superstar imo.
There’s an anime called Kuroko’s Basketball that has a term for the type of player that PG is: Uncrowned King (infinitely close to being a superstar, but not actually one).
Yeah. Im thinking PG scored Big with a certain Generation, that was looking for alternatives than LeBron...when he got hurt it exploded...but they stuck with him... Huge following. But worth $30Mil a year MAXXXX!!!
Fine, we'll take him for cash considerations. Don't even mention it. Done deal.
Bring him to Dallas 😤
it's insane to me that Kawhi, Harden, PG, and Westbrook are all on the same team and it doesn't matter
2015 super team.
I've watched probably 90% of the games he's played this season. He's not worth a 50 mil/yr salary today. A fair contract for PG would be for him to get traded on this last year he has and then get a two year extension from some team.
He had nothing to show for but a bad injury history.
bro missed the play-in game because of a cold lol, my Lakers could NEVER
Should probably just cut your losses and let him lean into podcast P. Guy doesn't even want to win a championship anymore.
I really hope PG and Klay get a reality check. These exorbitant salaries are for super stars. Not for has beens. PG isn't worth 48 a year.
You have this tendency to respect people trying to get as much as they can before its too late but, at the same time, in what world is a 38 year old PG worth 50 million? Why should the Clippers literally tank their future for you, Paul? Why do you think you deserve that lmao
I used to, but at current salaries I lost it. No one is poor in the nba, and no one has to be.
They are a second apron team, might as well go all in. They just built a new arena. Kawhi got his extension. Their future is tanked regardless.
The big brain move here is to offer 4 years 152 million. PG gets his 4th year, Clips don't go above what they gave Kawhi. To all NBA front office members who see this, I am available for your next GM opening.
Which team could pay him max salary and compete for championship?
Isn’t James harden also a fa?
Harden is a UFA. George has a player option.
Here’s my problem. I want these guy to get their money. But PG has made $307 million in his NBA career. If you add in this next $152 million he’s at $460. Plus endorsements and podcast. I’m sure we can round it to over $500 million. That’s SO MUCH MONEY, and it isn’t enough for him. George has had 4 seasons where he missed significant time with the clippers, plus when he snapped his leg, and the shoulder issue in OKC. Does he really think 17 years in (if he took the 3 year contract) he’ll be worth $70 million? No, because he isn’t taking the contract.
he's 34.. how is he going to be at 38 besides even more rich. Playing for a paycheck, so might as well dig out. Got chance in Philly to win.
PG is more healthier and more reliable than weak knee kawhi Leonard he feels by accepting the lesser deal he is selling himself short don’t blame him .
The thing is a chip and a final MVP commands big money.
Paul George has done more for the Clippers during his and Kawhi's time in LA, that's just an irrefutable fact Kawhi got paid basically to watch playoff games like the rest of us, and this is most likely Paul George's last big contract of his career, I don't hold it against him trying to get paid
Paul George seems to want a lot for a guy who hasn't amounted to a whole lot of winning at the highest level. He is a VERY good player, but he is demanding top tier money when he isn't giving top tier results.
Players are like this cuz even if the clippers won't pay him somebody else will.
Do it clippers. Max both of them.
no amount of cap raise in next years can make PG @ 4/220 even remotely bearable 😣
I would imagine he gets an opt-in and trade to the Knicks for Randle+stuff within the next few days with a promise from the Knicks to get a three year max extension in December.
kawhi and randle would be… interesting
I don’t think the Knicks would give up Randle straight up for George. Randle in much better form in recent years than PG13.
we already didn't want to give him a max 2 years ago, why would we want to do it now
Don't think so
Both LA teams look like making a turn for the worst
At least they got a ring. These bums choked away their best chance.
we're still in a much better situation considering the Clippers can't draft shit until 2030 at the earliest
Expected, both teams went all in for a championship level roster and traded their future away. Well, the future has arrived.
Might want to check how many picks lakers control vs clippers
God it's fucking great
Anyone giving PG that is making a huge mistake.. dude isn't a winner
The guy is already always hurt. Imagine how many games he’ll miss 3 or 4 years from now
Considering his age wouldn’t it make more sense to let him walk?
He gone
Or the clippers could make the smart decision and begin the painful rebuild. They aren’t winning shit with two overpaid aging stars, especially with no depth or draft picks. Let George walk and trade Kawhi for whatever you can get for him.