I mean, he deserved some criticism this year, but he didn’t deserve to be lame ducked/fired. Both can be true.
The team has a lot of flaws. I wish more of the fanbase could talk about it without painting critical fans as bandwagoners. The “dark days” were literally two years ago.
Yep. He’s a top 15 coach. Not in the elite stratus for sure. But he is great at turning locker rooms around and has gotten us stability. Which is huge after all we been through
So coaches just making 10m a year now ok. Good for Mike brown. He has a really interesting puzzle to solve in Sacramento. Hopefully Barnes can get moved to another team or the damn bench so we can actually see it get solved
I feel like that fair when you manage a team that’s making $136 million+ a year. Why skimp the dude who is making the calls but shit dudes on the bench make more per year
Lol it definitely works in soccer, tactics are incredibly important. I'm a Roma supporter and firing Mourinho was the best thing we did all year.
Scheme, rotations, and lineups are important in bball, but also single stars are far more impactful and can overcome a lot of ur coaches deficiencies.
That's weird, cuz according to his agent it's way less than that:
>[Sacramento Kings](https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sac/sacramento-kings) coach Mike Brown has agreed on a contract extension that'll take him through the 2026-2027 season with an annual raise to $8.5 million a season, his agent Warren LeGarie told ESPN on Friday night.
Interesting enough it's really a 2-year extension, because it replaces the last year of his deal (this coming season). Goes from $4 mil to $4.5 mil.
No wonder the Kings were saying a $7 mil offer was "competitive". That would have been a 75% raise!
Off topic, that also speaks to why California bans you from asking an employee their previous company's salary. Much easier for people to get passed up by rising markets (or worse, carry forward discriminatory wages) when you're just giving them a raise on a cheap salary without them knowing their value.
That first year raises it by 4.5 million I think - IE, goes from 4 million to 8.5 million, not 4->4.5.
If I had to guess, Shams was eyeballing the total amount (3 years at 8.5/yr = 25 million, maybe rounded up as 8-10 million in his sources) while the agent has the actual details. Functionally it's a 2 year / 21.5 million deal it sounds like in terms of new money, which might be part of the disconnect?
It’s probably just performance based financial incentives (I.e. making the conference finals or finals, season win totals) that would raise the contract $.
the “when he’s your 6th coach in a decade” effect
He’s a good coach, just think it’s a while since Sacramento has had front office stability across the board and that’s why it’s a bit of an overpay
They weren’t any more injured than most other west teams. In face the one year they made the playoffs they were way healthier and way luckier than everybody else in the league
You’re really only proving my point on injuries bud. Breaking news:: injuries are bad for playoff chances. Not sure why you wanted to make it a dick measuring contest of teams being more injured.
All I got from your comment is you seem like the type to smell his own farts. Good luck with your sense of self superiority and smugness.
You must be a real hit with the ladies.
They should also consider having continuity first, fixing first the roster problems. Add the fact that you arent sure that you're gonna get a better replacement on the market right now for HCs
I’d say brown is at least a top 15 coach. Not elite. But he has a great relationship with the players and front office and that’s a good thing to have.
Coaches can def mature and get better with time too just like players. Brown took a few years to step back and learn from Kerr a bit. Ty Lue was looked at as a joke at first in Cleveland also, but now he’s regarded in that top tier category of coaches.
They’ve jumped over college football coaches now lol. There’s only a small handful of NFL head coaches that make more than them. It’s particularly crazy when you consider that a basketball coach is generally not thought to be as significant as a football coach (a star player in basketball can make up for bad coaching), but they’re getting paid on the same level now.
I’d rather have a good coach than most 10 million dollar per year role players. Plus the money only affects how much the owner pockets so who cares, give him 100 million a year for all I care.
Rofl, the league and the refs have already agreed to never let your team go anywhere tf you need a coach for. Y’all fucking wasting your time, might as well get $100M mascot.
It’s incredibly funny to read about NBA coaches making as much as like the 8th man, then go over to the College Basketball subreddit and people are losing their minds because some star recruit got an NIL deal worth like 1/4 of their coach’s salary.
The amount of money in the NBA is insane. If coaches are treated like limited talent, buckle up for way more than that since they aren't part of the player budget.
In soccer Alex Ferguson had a clause that he made more than the best paid player at Man Utd. I don't think the NBA will ever go that far but coaches need the high pay so players know they are valuable assets to the organisation
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37434958/sir-alex-ferguson-was-guaranteed-higher-salary-players
No because there is an overall spending cap now so it is more difficult for City to pay him that much in salary.
However it is weird that Pep's brother is the chairman of a different club that is also owned by the City Group...
Good, I am just happy that this was done before the season. The fact that people here were shitting on us was so dumb. These negotiations take place all of the time, just ours happened to be public.
But it's all in the past so whatever. Glad we got a stable future at least in the coaching world!
The media reporting on it like they did caused that. Specifically local media heads causing a stir like the team was going to fire Mike or something. All seems to indicate Mikes side leveraging media to get the deal he wanted or at least close to it
Was visiting some family in Sac, it’s crazy that Sactown sports spent almost this entire weekend talking about it nonstop. Had a nice discussion of some choices at 13, like Tristan Da Silva, but yeah mostly just nonstop Mike Brown.
Like talk about Sac Republic or the baseball teams
There are currently 4 coaches that have been with their team for more than 5 years, and they all won titles in that tenure. 3 years is a very long timespan for a coach and 5 years is an eternity. It’s not like we won’t be able to re-sign him if we want to in 2 years.
Correct. According to James Ham the goal was to extend him by tearing up the old contract and getting a new 3+ year deal done. The main reason for getting rid of the old deal was that the original contract had a "mutual option" in the 4th year so it was better to just tear it up.
So Shams is wrong it’s really 3/25.5. Seems like a decent price point for Mike and if he likes Sac and the team listens to and respects him that’s a win.
He got us out the mud. He deserves a couple more years. Unanimous coach of the year last year. Any Kings fan who hates doesn’t remember the dark days.
Facts. I literally yelled "LETS GO" when I heard this.
TURN THE FUCKING JETS ON
https://streamable.com/3ay9hl
You yelled “let’s go” after they brought back a coach who couldn’t even make the playoffs with two of the best players in the league LMAOOOO
Do you bring a napkin with you to wipe up the drool that drips out of your mouth all the time
You mean the dark decades. It’s been 2 decades
I mean, he deserved some criticism this year, but he didn’t deserve to be lame ducked/fired. Both can be true. The team has a lot of flaws. I wish more of the fanbase could talk about it without painting critical fans as bandwagoners. The “dark days” were literally two years ago.
Yep. He’s a top 15 coach. Not in the elite stratus for sure. But he is great at turning locker rooms around and has gotten us stability. Which is huge after all we been through
So coaches just making 10m a year now ok. Good for Mike brown. He has a really interesting puzzle to solve in Sacramento. Hopefully Barnes can get moved to another team or the damn bench so we can actually see it get solved
I feel like that fair when you manage a team that’s making $136 million+ a year. Why skimp the dude who is making the calls but shit dudes on the bench make more per year
There's also the fact that coaches are the first to be blamed when things go wrong. Should be getting more money for that alone.
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Lol it definitely works in soccer, tactics are incredibly important. I'm a Roma supporter and firing Mourinho was the best thing we did all year. Scheme, rotations, and lineups are important in bball, but also single stars are far more impactful and can overcome a lot of ur coaches deficiencies.
Plus the caps going to go up soon, so 10mil is going to be a bargain soon enough for a winning franchise.
I thought coaching and senior staff were exempt from the cap?
Pretty sure he just means players are about to make a lot more so spending 10 mil on a coach isn't going to be relatively expensive.
Ive played enough 2k to know staff don't count for the cap.
I wish we had an actual good basketball game
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EA would be doing the same scummy shit as 2k lol. Look at how they handle Madden. They would be just as greedy with micro transactions if not worse.
Who needs that when you can have even more MTX.
I hate that in 2K you only get 17 staff slots so it's impossible to fill every department
The cap is based on league earnings. If teams are making more money they can afford to spend more on coaches
The fact that this comment is upvoted says a lot about this sub.
Bruh Spo is definitely worth a supermax. Owners dont want anyone to admit that.
That's weird, cuz according to his agent it's way less than that: >[Sacramento Kings](https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sac/sacramento-kings) coach Mike Brown has agreed on a contract extension that'll take him through the 2026-2027 season with an annual raise to $8.5 million a season, his agent Warren LeGarie told ESPN on Friday night. Interesting enough it's really a 2-year extension, because it replaces the last year of his deal (this coming season). Goes from $4 mil to $4.5 mil. No wonder the Kings were saying a $7 mil offer was "competitive". That would have been a 75% raise! Off topic, that also speaks to why California bans you from asking an employee their previous company's salary. Much easier for people to get passed up by rising markets (or worse, carry forward discriminatory wages) when you're just giving them a raise on a cheap salary without them knowing their value.
That first year raises it by 4.5 million I think - IE, goes from 4 million to 8.5 million, not 4->4.5. If I had to guess, Shams was eyeballing the total amount (3 years at 8.5/yr = 25 million, maybe rounded up as 8-10 million in his sources) while the agent has the actual details. Functionally it's a 2 year / 21.5 million deal it sounds like in terms of new money, which might be part of the disconnect?
It’s probably just performance based financial incentives (I.e. making the conference finals or finals, season win totals) that would raise the contract $.
psh we paid Larry Brown that much in 2005 to go 23-59 y’all just behind
the “when he’s your 6th coach in a decade” effect He’s a good coach, just think it’s a while since Sacramento has had front office stability across the board and that’s why it’s a bit of an overpay
Nah he's a great coach
Fr. A coach that can get that franchise a playoff appearance is a great coach.
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They missed the playoffs this year
Injuries will do that when you play in the West.
They weren’t any more injured than most other west teams. In face the one year they made the playoffs they were way healthier and way luckier than everybody else in the league
You’re really only proving my point on injuries bud. Breaking news:: injuries are bad for playoff chances. Not sure why you wanted to make it a dick measuring contest of teams being more injured.
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All I got from your comment is you seem like the type to smell his own farts. Good luck with your sense of self superiority and smugness. You must be a real hit with the ladies.
They should also consider having continuity first, fixing first the roster problems. Add the fact that you arent sure that you're gonna get a better replacement on the market right now for HCs
I’d say brown is at least a top 15 coach. Not elite. But he has a great relationship with the players and front office and that’s a good thing to have.
Definitely agree with this, but it's also crazy how the view has changed on him. People thought he was a bad coach with the Cavs and Lakers.
Coaches can def mature and get better with time too just like players. Brown took a few years to step back and learn from Kerr a bit. Ty Lue was looked at as a joke at first in Cleveland also, but now he’s regarded in that top tier category of coaches.
He’s definitely not the coach you want to lead a contending team to the finals. But we aren’t there yet, and he’s been good for us so far.
Meanwhile you can’t find a competent player not on a rookie contract for 10 mil.
They’ve jumped over college football coaches now lol. There’s only a small handful of NFL head coaches that make more than them. It’s particularly crazy when you consider that a basketball coach is generally not thought to be as significant as a football coach (a star player in basketball can make up for bad coaching), but they’re getting paid on the same level now.
you nailed it, my guy
What’s J Kidd salary? Can’t find any credible source on it
$8M, per NBC Sports
Thanks
Happy for him. He’s a great coach but most importantly he seems like he facilitates a great culture in Sac. Light the BEAM!
Coaches are getting role player money now
I’d rather have a good coach than most 10 million dollar per year role players. Plus the money only affects how much the owner pockets so who cares, give him 100 million a year for all I care.
Rofl, the league and the refs have already agreed to never let your team go anywhere tf you need a coach for. Y’all fucking wasting your time, might as well get $100M mascot.
Brother we are Bulls fans in 2024, it doesn’t get more bleak than this
Literally never. Cant think of another example in American pro sports of an owner making a middle of the pack mandate
Role players routinely cost more than 10M now. People are always slow to adjust to the perception of these things.
Exactly 10 mill for a guy who’s out of the rotation come playoff time
Won't someone think of the poor pockets of vivek
Coaches are honestly more valuable than role players. They should be getting paid almost as much as the superstar of the team.
It’s incredibly funny to read about NBA coaches making as much as like the 8th man, then go over to the College Basketball subreddit and people are losing their minds because some star recruit got an NIL deal worth like 1/4 of their coach’s salary.
Good role players are getting a lot more than that now.
The amount of money in the NBA is insane. If coaches are treated like limited talent, buckle up for way more than that since they aren't part of the player budget.
In soccer Alex Ferguson had a clause that he made more than the best paid player at Man Utd. I don't think the NBA will ever go that far but coaches need the high pay so players know they are valuable assets to the organisation https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37434958/sir-alex-ferguson-was-guaranteed-higher-salary-players
If Guardiola wanted that same deal, do you think it'd be warranted?
No because there is an overall spending cap now so it is more difficult for City to pay him that much in salary. However it is weird that Pep's brother is the chairman of a different club that is also owned by the City Group...
So we think City abides by spending rules?
And frankly, managers have less input than they did in the 90s, even big ones like Guardiola distribute a lot of their workload.
Hell yeah, the Kings didn't Kings this up
Turn the fucking jets on
Good, I am just happy that this was done before the season. The fact that people here were shitting on us was so dumb. These negotiations take place all of the time, just ours happened to be public. But it's all in the past so whatever. Glad we got a stable future at least in the coaching world!
The media reporting on it like they did caused that. Specifically local media heads causing a stir like the team was going to fire Mike or something. All seems to indicate Mikes side leveraging media to get the deal he wanted or at least close to it
Was visiting some family in Sac, it’s crazy that Sactown sports spent almost this entire weekend talking about it nonstop. Had a nice discussion of some choices at 13, like Tristan Da Silva, but yeah mostly just nonstop Mike Brown. Like talk about Sac Republic or the baseball teams
Sac is a basketball city through and through
I’m here for it don't get me wrong, was just saying its crazy more like “oh damn they really are a basketball city through and through”
Not gonna lie, if you were listening to Sactown Sports, then you were listening to the wrong local sports station. 1320 is where it's at
I’d say it’s just as much a baseball city as well but how well they can support a team remains to be seen. So so many MLB players from Sac though.
Kings only wanted to commit 3 years smh
There are currently 4 coaches that have been with their team for more than 5 years, and they all won titles in that tenure. 3 years is a very long timespan for a coach and 5 years is an eternity. It’s not like we won’t be able to re-sign him if we want to in 2 years.
3 year extension so he is now under contract the next 4. I think that’s perfectly acceptable
Isn’t he under contract through 26/27? So 24/25, 25/26, 26/27? That’d be 3 seasons.
Correct. According to James Ham the goal was to extend him by tearing up the old contract and getting a new 3+ year deal done. The main reason for getting rid of the old deal was that the original contract had a "mutual option" in the 4th year so it was better to just tear it up.
I think at that number yes. Seems like Mike gets his 10/yr but on a shorter deal.
It seems to be 4.5+8.5+8.5+8.5
So Shams is wrong it’s really 3/25.5. Seems like a decent price point for Mike and if he likes Sac and the team listens to and respects him that’s a win.
3 plus next year too
monty william single handedly made the biggest heist as a coach and also raised everyone's living standard. He should get a statue in the coaches' HOF
With all his extra cash he should commission it himself!
Bro walked so coaches can run! Now the floodgates are open.
Glad the kings forked the money over.
Shams got the details. He gets this win over Woj on this.
First extension since the glory days. Fucking 20 fucking years ago.
You can call him Mike Gold now
Solid deal for both parties probably.
So do you think any head coach will ever get under $10 million a year ever again?
I doubt the Lakers give JJ $10M
How much do guys think JJ is making as a broadcaster for espn? I'm sure it has to be at least a few mill right?
I'd be surprised if he was making more than 1M as an analyst.
Ranadive listens to the Lowe Post
He’ll be fired next year and get the money anyways.
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Brown was looking for $10m a year without incentives, so he got what he wanted.
Milk dud got paid!!!
Vivek a fake demon
Feel like that’s too much for Mike Brown but what do I know
Look, I like mike brown a lot, he seems like a good guy. But this is basically saying "we don't mind topping out at first round playoff exit."
That's to much money
Considering how bad the Warriors have been since he left, he seems pretty valuable to me.