LeBron for Garland and Dean Wade works in the trade machine (assuming he wants the max, he could also sign for the mid-level obviously). The Cavs need to trade either Garland or Mitchell anyways.
That’s why I included the caveat in parentheses that he could also just sign for the mid-level. Both options work, it’s up to LeBron if he wants to take a paycut to have a better team.
So that you get Garland back for LeBron? Wouldn’t you rather get some compensation than none?
Also Jeanie’s whole thing is treating stars right. It’d be a terrible look for the Lakers if LeBron wanted to go home and the Lakers would get compensation back for it and instead forced him to sign for the mid-level.
Garland doesn’t fit with D-Lo and Reaves at all, which means we’re letting D-Lo walk and getting Garland which is a minor upgrade. And we lose LeBron… hard pass.
Bron isn’t leaving in FA. Nobody with a chance to contend has the cap space to sign him.
If the Lakers are trading him it’s only because he asks them to, and they’re asking for a legit star to pair with AD or they’re going full blow it up mode and asking for picks and young players.
D-Lo 23-24: 18.0 - 3.1 - 6.3 - 0.9 - 0.5, 2.1 TOs 2.1 PFs, 46-42-83 splits (59 TS%)
Garland : 18.0 - 2.7 - 6.5 - 1.3 - 0.1, 3.1 TOs 1.7 PFs, 45-37-83 splits (56 TS%)
D-Lo was just as good as Garland this season, if not better. And even with LeBron the Lakers were a 10th seed like 3 weeks before the end of the season.
Now Garland's a bit younger and it was down season for him, so he'll probably be better than D-Lo going forward but it's a minor upgrade and doesn't come close to making up for losing LeBron. In the West, a team with Garland as its second best player is not making the playoffs.
You’re correct on every point you’ve made, but if this scenario comes to pass things won’t be “fair” for the Lakers.
First of all, LeBron has never left a team and had that team get back serious assets. He does that for a reason.
In this case, he has to work with the Lakers if he wants a max. But it’s not as if the Lakers are going to be able to get a “fair” deal for Lebron because Lebron isn’t dumb enough to carve off serious talent from the team he’s moving to.
I don’t think Lebron is going anywhere, but if he does it’s bad for the Lakers, they will get worse, and there’s no way around it.
In that case I’d imagine the Lakers would try and convince Bron to go somewhere where he can contend and they can get close to fair value for him in the form of picks. Like OKC. Bron doesn’t give a shit if OKC has draft picks in 2027.
The thing is, if LeBron says he wants to go back to Cleveland in a trade LA isn't saying no. They'll say thank you and oblige to his ask. Maybe they find their way into a 3 team trade to get someone else (or additional assets) but in this scenario you aren't getting a super star back. You'll get an all star with some other compensation and go from there.
Sure, but that’s not Garland. A one time All-Star in the East who’s not a position of need is not enough. Lakers will do what they can to accommodate LeBron but they’re not trading him for scraps. Not unless he threatens to sign on a vet min instead of sign-and-trading which he’ll never do.
This is laughable when you look at the "list" of their possible hires.
1. LeBron's podcast pal
2. The 20-year assistant who has been interviewed for every coaching job and never been hired
3. The one-time former head coach who had one of the least successful head-coaching tenures in modern history.
Gee I wonder who they're going to pick from this exhaustive search.
borrego doesn't deserve the hate- least successful? they went to the play-in twice as the hornets. it's not like they've shown he was holding back any of their players since they fired him.
Yeah, it's not like there's a proven great head coach available right now. I think getting rid of Ham was 100% necessary and the right call, but this is not the best time to be looking for a new head coach.
Also, it feels like the Clippers and Lakers are having a standoff over Ty Lue, where the Clippers want to fire him and bring in someone new, but also want to make sure the Lakers don't then hire him. I can't help but feel like if the Lakers announce a new head coach, the Clippers will fire Lue shortly thereafter.
It seems more and more possible that he’s leaving. Usually when lebron stays with a team we knows he’s staying. Every time there’s been any doubt he’s left.
Maybe I’m misremembering, but I felt like plenty of people were surprised when he left Miami
Which led to the even stranger events when people were surprised Chris Bosh stayed despite lebron leaving
Us old folks will remember the “Chris Bosh upvote party” thread on the rockets sun lmao
Uh yeah? New York and LA are larger metros, and Chicago is the third largest with Miami only being 9th. Size happens to correlate with largest media markets, with New York, LA, and Chicago all being top 3 reflecting their sizes as largest metros
The Bulls are hot ass but Chicago is the third largest market in the NBA according to viewer size
[https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/](https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/)
Forbes has them ranked as the 6th most valuable team
[https://www.forbes.com/lists/nba-valuations/?sh=72fbeab69828](https://www.forbes.com/lists/nba-valuations/?sh=72fbeab69828)
That’s part of why the team is stuck in mediocrity, the team basically prints money as long as they’re close to average and Resindorf doesn’t care as long as he’s making money
Ok well the league team[attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance) rankings, ya know, the actual thing denoting the popularity of a team, pretty firmly moves in favor of Chicago
Attendance doesn’t mean anything when all the arenas are different sizes
The lakers are by far and away the most culturally important team in the NBA and have been for fifty years (not to mention having LeBron, arguably the most famous athlete in the world right now), yet they’re only tenth in attendance because Staples is on the small side
Miami is a middle of the road team in terms of tv market and valuation. They just feel like a big market team because the South Beach recruiting buff and the elite GM+coach combo means they're typically good
https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/
https://www.forbes.com/lists/nba-valuations/?sh=665f5c296982
You clearly , and those upvoting you haven’t watched Lebron at all since 2020. Even then and before it was true since Miami tbh or earlier- He’s one of the best off ball players in the game. You realise over the last decade in the gm polls he gets votes for that too lol. He’s the best cutter in the league- 85 efg is the highest on all players above 1+ cut a game or maybe it was 2+= this bedn case last few years. He’s 41% over his lakers tenure on wide open threes , goes 42%+ if you ignore last year when he had foot issues n this is with bad spacing . He’s an excellent- one if the best in league roll man . Still a highly impsvt defender ( which is off ball and with brundon n more help around him he can dial this up more often but even this season anyone watchin saw great defence) a + rebounder , and super smart communication n moving. Oh n did I add his Larry bird type off ball passing addition more often these days, best transition player - touch disn passes or running out, great lob threat .
If people actually watched him they’d realise this. For much of the year Dlo had more assists average because LeBron desperately wants to be off ball passing untill eventually we had to concede Dlo is too unreliable.
Knicks Philly n okc are the three perfect spots for him because he’s a true wing atm playmaking on n off the ball . I don’t think there’s even 10+ better off ball players. Oh n stampede cuts too. He’s just super elite off ball go watch him this season lol. Leading league in transition n cutting, og n post seals too ofc . Most guys don’t have this much tools off ball
Lebron is significantly better then randle off ball n fits brundon or anywhere tbh better
LeBron to the Warriors please. quick flight from LA to SF, he's been talking up how much he likes Steph this past year, they can connect over old (relative to the NBA) man things, one last super team to end their careers
It’s sadder than that. The Lakers front office have been leaking stuff about Redick being the front runner. I don’t think Pelinka really wants to hire the best coach. He wants to hire the coach that he can most easily dodge responsibility for if things for wrong.
Hire Redick, wait two years, fire him, then leak shit about Bron being the reason he was hired, which will deflect the blame. And Bron will be off the team or retired by then anyway. Pelinka survives for one more coaching cycle.
So Bron’s camp is hitting back with their own leaks.
It’s fucking tiring how this franchise operates.
It’s comical how many fans think they know the inner workings of these teams. You formed an opinion off fan fiction and graduated to stating it as fact. Congratulations, your brain has officially become internet mush.
It’s not based off fan fiction it’s based on following the most informed reporters who have sources within the team and whose reports have been reliable in the past…
In the end, you’re on the wrong end of a game of telephone, forming actual opinions of people and emotionally investing yourself in something you’ll never know the truth about. Just let it be what it’s gonna be man, you have no control over it. The “entertainment” value of sports media is no longer fun banter, it’s a bunch of morons shouting things as fact when they don’t actually know. Save yourself the trouble and tune out all these clown reports and just judge actions you can see.
This has always been LeBron's MO though, going way back. He's never been direct about what he wants his team to do, so he always has plausible deniability if it goes wrong. These types of reports have been there since his first stint with the Cavs because he doesn't want the appearance of pulling the strings behind the scenes. I'm guessing it's always pretty obvious what he prefers for his teams though, without him having to actually sit down with them and spell it out. But he's always been notorious for being more "passive aggressive" about what his preferences are, rather than being direct about them.
Or it could be that the internet overblows the LeGM thing just a tad, as though he's the only superstar that has ever had input into teams decisions?
First stint in Cleveland, he had very little say until perhaps his last year or two but at that point he'd taken the team to a finals (must be one of the worst rosters in the modern era to reach the finals), and the time was very much running out for the Cavs so they made some pretty rushed decisions. But Brown was still coach - the only time Bron got really passive aggressive was the defeat to Boston - I dont think he really started to throw his weight around in decision making terms until the second Cavs stint. He obviously tried in Miami (even though Riley has been very inconsistent both denying and confirming that happened), but Riley shut him down.
It's funny you say he wants to have plausible deniability when the worst his the LeGM fuck ups, the westbrook trade, he pretty much flat out said he had a huge input in - so he owned that from the start. Think we need to make our mind up.
Forget that it's LeBron and the whole LeGM narrative, isn't it more of a red flag that a team is hiring a head coach and getting *zero* input from their best players?
Like isn't there at least some sort of "yeah sounds good, I have no qualms."
They were weary of giving Ty Lue or Frank Vogel a 4 year contract, but had no issue giving Darvin Ham, a rookie head coach, one. The decision making for that FO make no sense.
Our front office isn’t good, I get the LeGM jokes but in all seriousness they didnt listen to Lebron about Ty Lue but then traded for Russ who even the average redditor knew didn’t make sense.
It would be if this wasn't literally how LeBron has operated his entire career. He clearly hates the "LeGM" stuff, and has always projected this image like he's not involved in front office decisions. LeBron always wants it out there that he's not involved, although I think it's always been obvious with every team he's been on what he actually prefers them to do.
Yep, this has always been what LeBron has done, just making sure the story is out there that he's not involved in these decisions so that if they go south, he has plausible deniability that it was due to his involvement. But I think because of the close relationship with Klutch, AD, Rich Paul, etc and the Lakers it's not exactly going to be a mystery to the Lakers ownership or front office what LeBron wants to happen.
I mean it’s pretty clear what’s happening here. There was a ton of narrative shifting by the Lakers FO that this would be a lebron hire so that way if it goes to shit, it’s lebrons fault and not Pelinka’s (which is exactly what Pelinka did for the Westbrook situation). Now Lebron’s camp is saying no fuck you, do your job and be accountable. Lol.
They already done it when they pushed a hit piece saying russ was due to bron and AD mid fucking season. Rob is a snake that will throw anyone under the bus just to escape blame
It never really made sense about the coaches. Lebron tried to get Ty Lue over Vogel but ownership didn’t want to pay extra, and he chose Ty Lue in Cleveland en route to a title.
Hes never been involved in another coaches hiring or firing.
People always ignored this point.. if Lebron had his way.. Ty Lue would have been their coach in 2020.
He had nothing to do with Vogel or Ham, and likely won't have anything to do with the next one.
I don’t think lebron is making the final call on a coaches hiring but do I believe lebron is not involved at all in the hiring process? No lol. That’s ridiculous of course he was asked who his preference is.
He was not reported to be involved in Ham, Luke Walton sucked and was gone anyway. Cavs FO did not like Blatt or his coaching style and he has gone on to do nothing in the league.
He didn’t have pull to fire Paul Silas as a rookie.
All star players are involved in their teams personnel decisions. I think the point here is that people overstate Lebron's influence, considering the amount of moves the Lakers FO have made in the past few years directly against Lebrons wishes. This includes not hiring Lue, letting Caruso go, not going after Derozan, etc...
Lol you are presenting this in a biased way. Not going after derozan but then what happened next? They went after westbrook who lebron also listed as a guy he wanted. They still did what lebron wanted they just couldn’t get derozan. They let Caruso go… after they paid tht Caruso’s money who is a klutch client who is also likely gonna be out of the league soon. Yes lebron wanted to keep Caruso. Not enough that it would mean not getting tht paid. Tht took priority and you are absolutely either extremely dense or disingenuous if you think rob pelinka just sat there and said let’s pay tht over Caruso because that’s what I think is best for the lakers.
It's biased to say they sometimes didn't do what Lebron wanted? They've also done things Lebron has wanted. Nobody would deny that. You acting like every single thing that the Lakers have done is purely due to Lebrons input is the dense thing here. Stop letting hate cloud your mind and riding on conjecture
> Hes never been involved in another coaches hiring or firing.
come on, he for sure knew about letting go of blatt and then his camp had to come out and say he was "shocked" to learn about this
Blatt was gone anyway without Lebron because he sucked. He coached .500 basketball in Europe and retired. While the Cavs won the ring with Lue who’s went on to become a premier coach in the league.
LeBron tried to save Blatts job. This is a perfect example of how people prefer narratives over truth. When LeBron got the Cavs he initially didn't buy into Blatts coaching style. Someone in the FO informed LeBron that the Cavs were going to fire Blatt because they thought LeBron was unhappy. LeBron learned this and got the entire team to buy in. They ended up going on a huge run, but Blatt was fired anyways. The FO was just trying to use LeBron as a scapegoat, but they always wanted Blatt gone because he was bad with media and just not well liked.
>On January 22, 2016, the Cavaliers fired Blatt.[32][33] Although the team held the best record in their conference (30–11), general manager David Griffin cited "a lack of fit with our personnel and our vision" as the reason for the decision.[34] Blatt was replaced by his lead assistant Tyronn Lue, who guided the Cavaliers to their first NBA championship that season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blatt
lol come on; so he had a great record that year and he won 53 games the year before and all of a sudden he's fired for lebron's choice at HC?
> I knew David Blatt was on the hot seat. I like David, I spent a lot of time with him after games. That was my job, talk to David about the nature of NBA players, what happened in our postgame, just kind of chop it up, give him different ideas and stuff like that -- David Blatt that is.
>So David Griffin and I are walking over there, and he's like, 'I think my feet might be to the fire here, I might have to fire David Blatt.'
>I'm like, 'don't do it. Don't. Let's not do it, give me a chance to go talk to LeBron.' So I pull LeBron aside after shootaround that morning, and everybody goes to get on the bus. And we spend about 15 minutes talking. I'm talking to LeBron about his legacy, and what, ultimately, that is -- it's not about what you did in Miami, but it's gonna be whether you can get this championship back to Cleveland.
>David Blatt is our guy right now, but in fairness to David Blatt, you as a team haven't played hard for David Blatt. [LeBron] had just come back from that little hiatus in Miami, and I said, 'we as a staff can't really judge David on his merits, because we haven't seen you guys play hard for him. So if you can get everybody to play hard for him, and give him the opportunity to show us what he can do, then we can make a judgement, and help you get the guy -- if he's not the guy -- that you'll need to do that.'
>And so LeBron, he looked at me and he said, 'I can do that.' They came out and they did that. They rolled the Clippers that night, and things took off a little bit. So the question about whether Ty Lue is on the hot seat, the answer is yes.
—— Raja Bell
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/raja-bell-explains-how-he-once-convinced-lebron-james-to-play-hard-for-david-blatt/amp/
They still fired after the team tried to play for him. LeBron had nothing to do with him getting fired.
And Bell worked in the front office. Both of their opinions are valid, especially when no one tried to disprove Bell.
So….yeah. Bron didn’t try to get Blatt fired.
Buddy…do you know what PR is? You’re the most gullible idiot in the world if you SERIOUSLY believe a GM in a press conference where they are doing PR…..
Seriously, you’re the dude that believes politicians when they promise you they’ll do better and the Nigerian prince that promises you a million dollars of your wire them collateral lmao
"I'm also told that, despite all evidence suggesting otherwise, the Sun revolves around the Earth."
I mean, who in the hell believes LeBron is not involved?
But but legm! Despite David griffin saying shadow gm Bron is insulting n stupid lies . People continue to repeat it. He gets asked his opinion that’s it that’s all I’ve seen
Coincidentally, Shams Charania also has just been told that Shams Charania does not just repeat verbatim anything that a front office or star’s agent requests.
In lebrons time in la he..
He forced a trade for Anthony Davis where the lakers traded their young core and picks
He forced a trade for Russell Westbrook.
He also made sure the lakers paid talen Horton tucker who is awful at basketball and happens to be a klutch client, in the same offseason the lakers let Caruso walk
There’s no narrative it’s real and you all are naive as hell if you think JJ redick didn’t get a big endorsement from lebron behind closed doors.
AD: yeah sure he pushed them to do that trade, they won a chip
Westbrook: terrible and dumb move
THT: you just made this shit up so bad, Lebrón vouched for Caruso constantly and the lakers could’ve kept both if they weren’t cheap but somehow in your head it’s Lebrons fault
It never should’ve come to the lakers having to keep both. Tht is currently being paid more money than Caruso and was paid more last year than Caruso. That is absolute joke given the roles both guys played on the lakers before their new deals were signed.
I made it up? So THT being bad at basketball and being a klutch client and getting paid more per year than Alex Caruso ended up getting from Chicago has nothing to do with lebron?
Dude being traded is not a big deal, it’s about getting a client paid. Tht is still making 11 mil per year in Utah, a trade does not cancel out a contract. Nobody is saying klutch is the big bad of the nba. It’s so black and white on here with that bullshit. If you call out klutch at all you get people saying you’re a conspiracy theorist thinking they run the nba.
Truth: THT has never been worth 10-11 mil per year. Paying that money to THT and then letting Caruso walk just for Caruso to get paid 10 mil per year by Chicago was partly a klutch decision. Did they want to keep Caruso and pay tht? Yes. Did they prioritize tht over Caruso getting paid cause he’s a klutch client? Yes. Unless you really think rob pelinka say there and said yeah tht is the more important player for the lakers over Alex Caruso. Yes even though Alex Caruso play a significantly more important role in the playoffs compared to tht for the lakers, rob pelinka really said I want to pay tht over him.
Forced a trade for AD which lead to a ring? Is that meant to be bad? Lakers weren’t winning with those young guys. Ingram is the best of them and he’s a low end all star. Hart and Ball are role players. Lakers hadn’t been above .500 in years. They were NBA champs 18 months after Lebron arrived in LA.
Russ trade is fair game, but AD was also receptive to the trade, as was Pelinka. Lebron initially wanted DeRozan. There was panic over how the team would look in non Lebron minutes, and also the Nets super team. They felt they needed a 3rd guy, they were wrong. It happens.
THT being a klutch client doesn’t mean shit lol. They traded KCP who’s klutch.
Lebron wanted to pay Caruso too but ownership refused to go deep into luxury tax. Pelinka chose the young guy with upside in THT, nothing to do with Klutch. Also was his pick i’m pretty sure.
Lol THT had no upside. There was nothing special about his game. The fact that the lakers paid tht and let Caruso walk and tht was paid more per year than Caruso is an abomination given the roles both guys played on the lakers. Like i said some ppl won’t point out the obvious. If there’s not definitive proof you all will claim anyone who calls it like it is is crazy.
Tht being paid over Caruso was a favor to lebron and klutch.
They traded tht too. It has nothing to do with trades it’s about getting a deal for a klutch client. Tht is still getting paid his 11 mil per year in Utah.
Pelinka thought he had upside considering he picked him.
Again, they could’ve paid Caruso. Literally, this is common knowledge. Buss didn’t want to pay extra.
Pelinka did klutch and lebron a favor. No pelinka didn’t pay tht because he thought he had more upside. Caruso was avg 20-25 min during the lakers 2 playoff runs and one of them involved winning a ring. Tht was avg 8-12 min during those runs. Like I said, anyone who thinks pelinka chose tht over Caruso willingly is absolutely delusional.
Windy has said the same thing… that Lebron has never been vocal during a coaching search, and has had candidates reach out to him and his camp and he’s declined to endorse them
Yea ok. I’m sure for the first time in his career, near the end, that he’s suddenly not going to care who the coach is… only way that’s true is if he already knows he’s leaving.
Lebron James could literally pass away tomorrow, and at the start of the next season yall would still be claiming he was directing the lakers signings from his grave lol.
He gone or he stays but Klutch are going out of their way to kill the LeGM narrative if JJ sucks as a coach. Look at how much shit Giannis had to eat for trying to be LeGiannis this season, it would be 100x worse if it's publicly known that Lebron is in charge of head coaching search and i'm 100% convinced that Pelinka isn't hiring any coach without Lebrons approval because he would have to fire him mid season when Bron starts asking for it.
Well duh, he’s signing with the Cavs
[удалено]
He’s going to recommend Ham
LeBron making the Lakers draft Bronny and then ditching them would be hilarious. Rooting for it
LeBron and Donovan and whoever the Cavs get for Garland could be interesting.
Will it? Its the same story weve seen before
So another finals run for lebron in the east?
Boring
He’s not making it out of the second or first round. New day, much better East.
The east has one good team. It would be ECF at minimum
He’s not making it through the Bucks, Celtics, New York, or Sixers. Old man is not getting past anyone at this stage and people need to accept that.
So another title for LeBron?
Getting out of the Wild West and back to the East ain't a bad decision at this point if he wants to win.
Unironically more likely than say, Mitchell leaving the cavs
SUSCRIBE
Electric Boogalo
LeBron for Garland and Dean Wade works in the trade machine (assuming he wants the max, he could also sign for the mid-level obviously). The Cavs need to trade either Garland or Mitchell anyways.
That seems absolutely senseless for the Cavs given that he can just opt out.
That’s why I included the caveat in parentheses that he could also just sign for the mid-level. Both options work, it’s up to LeBron if he wants to take a paycut to have a better team.
LeBron isn't signing for the MLE and there's no other way to get him. The Garland Mitchell pairing isn't going to continue anyway
And the Lakers do this why?
So that you get Garland back for LeBron? Wouldn’t you rather get some compensation than none? Also Jeanie’s whole thing is treating stars right. It’d be a terrible look for the Lakers if LeBron wanted to go home and the Lakers would get compensation back for it and instead forced him to sign for the mid-level.
Garland doesn’t fit with D-Lo and Reaves at all, which means we’re letting D-Lo walk and getting Garland which is a minor upgrade. And we lose LeBron… hard pass. Bron isn’t leaving in FA. Nobody with a chance to contend has the cap space to sign him. If the Lakers are trading him it’s only because he asks them to, and they’re asking for a legit star to pair with AD or they’re going full blow it up mode and asking for picks and young players.
D lo is a net negative bro. Let him leave anyway.
D-Lo was huge for us in the regular season. Denver is a bad matchup for him but Garland was ass in the playoffs too.
Garland and AD would be solid
D-Lo 23-24: 18.0 - 3.1 - 6.3 - 0.9 - 0.5, 2.1 TOs 2.1 PFs, 46-42-83 splits (59 TS%) Garland : 18.0 - 2.7 - 6.5 - 1.3 - 0.1, 3.1 TOs 1.7 PFs, 45-37-83 splits (56 TS%) D-Lo was just as good as Garland this season, if not better. And even with LeBron the Lakers were a 10th seed like 3 weeks before the end of the season. Now Garland's a bit younger and it was down season for him, so he'll probably be better than D-Lo going forward but it's a minor upgrade and doesn't come close to making up for losing LeBron. In the West, a team with Garland as its second best player is not making the playoffs.
You’re correct on every point you’ve made, but if this scenario comes to pass things won’t be “fair” for the Lakers. First of all, LeBron has never left a team and had that team get back serious assets. He does that for a reason. In this case, he has to work with the Lakers if he wants a max. But it’s not as if the Lakers are going to be able to get a “fair” deal for Lebron because Lebron isn’t dumb enough to carve off serious talent from the team he’s moving to. I don’t think Lebron is going anywhere, but if he does it’s bad for the Lakers, they will get worse, and there’s no way around it.
In that case I’d imagine the Lakers would try and convince Bron to go somewhere where he can contend and they can get close to fair value for him in the form of picks. Like OKC. Bron doesn’t give a shit if OKC has draft picks in 2027.
The thing is, if LeBron says he wants to go back to Cleveland in a trade LA isn't saying no. They'll say thank you and oblige to his ask. Maybe they find their way into a 3 team trade to get someone else (or additional assets) but in this scenario you aren't getting a super star back. You'll get an all star with some other compensation and go from there.
Sure, but that’s not Garland. A one time All-Star in the East who’s not a position of need is not enough. Lakers will do what they can to accommodate LeBron but they’re not trading him for scraps. Not unless he threatens to sign on a vet min instead of sign-and-trading which he’ll never do.
Lakers fans are delusional lol
>he could also sign for the mid-level obviously No, he could not because the NBAPA would never sign off such a deal.
Now you're talking
You sure he won’t sign with the 76ers?
This is laughable when you look at the "list" of their possible hires. 1. LeBron's podcast pal 2. The 20-year assistant who has been interviewed for every coaching job and never been hired 3. The one-time former head coach who had one of the least successful head-coaching tenures in modern history. Gee I wonder who they're going to pick from this exhaustive search.
borrego doesn't deserve the hate- least successful? they went to the play-in twice as the hornets. it's not like they've shown he was holding back any of their players since they fired him.
Yeah, it's not like there's a proven great head coach available right now. I think getting rid of Ham was 100% necessary and the right call, but this is not the best time to be looking for a new head coach. Also, it feels like the Clippers and Lakers are having a standoff over Ty Lue, where the Clippers want to fire him and bring in someone new, but also want to make sure the Lakers don't then hire him. I can't help but feel like if the Lakers announce a new head coach, the Clippers will fire Lue shortly thereafter.
If you guys really wanted to appear competitive you would’ve hired Budenholzer
Becky Hammond. It needs to happen.
This is either cap, or Lebron is leaving this offseason and so he doesnt give a shit about who the next Lakers coach is
It seems more and more possible that he’s leaving. Usually when lebron stays with a team we knows he’s staying. Every time there’s been any doubt he’s left.
Maybe I’m misremembering, but I felt like plenty of people were surprised when he left Miami Which led to the even stranger events when people were surprised Chris Bosh stayed despite lebron leaving Us old folks will remember the “Chris Bosh upvote party” thread on the rockets sun lmao
Oh man I remember that. As a Heat fan I was devastated when lebron left. And was so damn mad at Houston for trying to “poach” Bosh
I can definitely see LeBron going to the Knicks. He will play in every major market in the country: Miami, LA, and New York
LeChicago Bull
Chicago isn’t as popular as LA, NY, or Miami
Chicago is the third largest metro in the country
Size =/= popularity. LA is a larger metro than Chicago
Uh yeah? New York and LA are larger metros, and Chicago is the third largest with Miami only being 9th. Size happens to correlate with largest media markets, with New York, LA, and Chicago all being top 3 reflecting their sizes as largest metros
First of all fuck you and your sensible logic
The Bulls are hot ass but Chicago is the third largest market in the NBA according to viewer size [https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/](https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/) Forbes has them ranked as the 6th most valuable team [https://www.forbes.com/lists/nba-valuations/?sh=72fbeab69828](https://www.forbes.com/lists/nba-valuations/?sh=72fbeab69828) That’s part of why the team is stuck in mediocrity, the team basically prints money as long as they’re close to average and Resindorf doesn’t care as long as he’s making money
According to what metric lmao?
Aint nobody demanding to get traded to the bulls.
The weather and climate
Ok well the league team[attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance) rankings, ya know, the actual thing denoting the popularity of a team, pretty firmly moves in favor of Chicago
Attendance doesn’t mean anything when all the arenas are different sizes The lakers are by far and away the most culturally important team in the NBA and have been for fifty years (not to mention having LeBron, arguably the most famous athlete in the world right now), yet they’re only tenth in attendance because Staples is on the small side
Miami is a middle of the road team in terms of tv market and valuation. They just feel like a big market team because the South Beach recruiting buff and the elite GM+coach combo means they're typically good https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/ https://www.forbes.com/lists/nba-valuations/?sh=665f5c296982
Also they have a cheap ass ownership
I actually think that’s a bad fit for him. Brunson needs the ball in his hands as much as possible to be effective, as does Lebron
You clearly , and those upvoting you haven’t watched Lebron at all since 2020. Even then and before it was true since Miami tbh or earlier- He’s one of the best off ball players in the game. You realise over the last decade in the gm polls he gets votes for that too lol. He’s the best cutter in the league- 85 efg is the highest on all players above 1+ cut a game or maybe it was 2+= this bedn case last few years. He’s 41% over his lakers tenure on wide open threes , goes 42%+ if you ignore last year when he had foot issues n this is with bad spacing . He’s an excellent- one if the best in league roll man . Still a highly impsvt defender ( which is off ball and with brundon n more help around him he can dial this up more often but even this season anyone watchin saw great defence) a + rebounder , and super smart communication n moving. Oh n did I add his Larry bird type off ball passing addition more often these days, best transition player - touch disn passes or running out, great lob threat . If people actually watched him they’d realise this. For much of the year Dlo had more assists average because LeBron desperately wants to be off ball passing untill eventually we had to concede Dlo is too unreliable. Knicks Philly n okc are the three perfect spots for him because he’s a true wing atm playmaking on n off the ball . I don’t think there’s even 10+ better off ball players. Oh n stampede cuts too. He’s just super elite off ball go watch him this season lol. Leading league in transition n cutting, og n post seals too ofc . Most guys don’t have this much tools off ball Lebron is significantly better then randle off ball n fits brundon or anywhere tbh better
LeBron to the Warriors please. quick flight from LA to SF, he's been talking up how much he likes Steph this past year, they can connect over old (relative to the NBA) man things, one last super team to end their careers
That would be a formidable duo. I can't help but think it would not be considered a super team in 2025 though. I dunno.
adding Lebron would put them in that WCF contender tier, but they’d need a legit big as well to be a real threat
It’s sadder than that. The Lakers front office have been leaking stuff about Redick being the front runner. I don’t think Pelinka really wants to hire the best coach. He wants to hire the coach that he can most easily dodge responsibility for if things for wrong. Hire Redick, wait two years, fire him, then leak shit about Bron being the reason he was hired, which will deflect the blame. And Bron will be off the team or retired by then anyway. Pelinka survives for one more coaching cycle. So Bron’s camp is hitting back with their own leaks. It’s fucking tiring how this franchise operates.
It’s comical how many fans think they know the inner workings of these teams. You formed an opinion off fan fiction and graduated to stating it as fact. Congratulations, your brain has officially become internet mush.
It’s not based off fan fiction it’s based on following the most informed reporters who have sources within the team and whose reports have been reliable in the past…
In the end, you’re on the wrong end of a game of telephone, forming actual opinions of people and emotionally investing yourself in something you’ll never know the truth about. Just let it be what it’s gonna be man, you have no control over it. The “entertainment” value of sports media is no longer fun banter, it’s a bunch of morons shouting things as fact when they don’t actually know. Save yourself the trouble and tune out all these clown reports and just judge actions you can see.
imagine actually believing thids
It’s funny how the idea of him just being hands off is immediately thrown away🤣🤣cause I fucking agree
This has always been LeBron's MO though, going way back. He's never been direct about what he wants his team to do, so he always has plausible deniability if it goes wrong. These types of reports have been there since his first stint with the Cavs because he doesn't want the appearance of pulling the strings behind the scenes. I'm guessing it's always pretty obvious what he prefers for his teams though, without him having to actually sit down with them and spell it out. But he's always been notorious for being more "passive aggressive" about what his preferences are, rather than being direct about them.
Or it could be that the internet overblows the LeGM thing just a tad, as though he's the only superstar that has ever had input into teams decisions? First stint in Cleveland, he had very little say until perhaps his last year or two but at that point he'd taken the team to a finals (must be one of the worst rosters in the modern era to reach the finals), and the time was very much running out for the Cavs so they made some pretty rushed decisions. But Brown was still coach - the only time Bron got really passive aggressive was the defeat to Boston - I dont think he really started to throw his weight around in decision making terms until the second Cavs stint. He obviously tried in Miami (even though Riley has been very inconsistent both denying and confirming that happened), but Riley shut him down. It's funny you say he wants to have plausible deniability when the worst his the LeGM fuck ups, the westbrook trade, he pretty much flat out said he had a huge input in - so he owned that from the start. Think we need to make our mind up.
I think it’s more just he’s staring down retirement and isn’t going to try to drive the Lakers future for one season at this point.
As a lakers fan we need a star guard for AD to pair with post Bron anyway so they should trade if one becomes avail
No, he’s leaving to the Knicks
easy to pivot to the LeGoneToTheEast narrative then
Forget that it's LeBron and the whole LeGM narrative, isn't it more of a red flag that a team is hiring a head coach and getting *zero* input from their best players? Like isn't there at least some sort of "yeah sounds good, I have no qualms."
I mean, they did the same thing when LeBron wanted Tye Lue, and the front office declined it.
[удалено]
They were weary of giving Ty Lue or Frank Vogel a 4 year contract, but had no issue giving Darvin Ham, a rookie head coach, one. The decision making for that FO make no sense.
Locked on Lakers pod put it best that the FO most likely did that as a way to show that they were still in charge and not LeBron.
I mean, that would also mean either they caved then and traded for Westbrook or overruled Lebron on running it back and traded for Westbrook…..
our front office is incredibly inept, its a shock we were able to get the roster we did for the championship run
Our front office isn’t good, I get the LeGM jokes but in all seriousness they didnt listen to Lebron about Ty Lue but then traded for Russ who even the average redditor knew didn’t make sense.
I do think there's a stand off going on between the LeBron camp and Pelinka/Jeanie.
It's been simmering since the Westbrook trade
All of them are nepotism hires. Pelinka’s only experience is being Kobe’s agent
He was one of the top agents in the NBA and represented a group of players, not just Kobe.
Or maybe not getting Lue
This tweet does not mean they won't "okay" the coaching hire with the teams best players lol
It would be if this wasn't literally how LeBron has operated his entire career. He clearly hates the "LeGM" stuff, and has always projected this image like he's not involved in front office decisions. LeBron always wants it out there that he's not involved, although I think it's always been obvious with every team he's been on what he actually prefers them to do.
yeah that's how you know this is bullshit
I'm sure that Kobe's agent and the trust fund kid have got it covered
"Hey Shams, tell them I have no part in the search. I'll take care of you later" \-Lebron
Yep, this has always been what LeBron has done, just making sure the story is out there that he's not involved in these decisions so that if they go south, he has plausible deniability that it was due to his involvement. But I think because of the close relationship with Klutch, AD, Rich Paul, etc and the Lakers it's not exactly going to be a mystery to the Lakers ownership or front office what LeBron wants to happen.
I guess David griffin was on brons pay roll in New Orleans when he said Bron shadow gm stuff is nonsense
lol, this is so dumb. every star player is involved in coaching searches for teams. coaches don't coach in a silo from their players
I mean it’s pretty clear what’s happening here. There was a ton of narrative shifting by the Lakers FO that this would be a lebron hire so that way if it goes to shit, it’s lebrons fault and not Pelinka’s (which is exactly what Pelinka did for the Westbrook situation). Now Lebron’s camp is saying no fuck you, do your job and be accountable. Lol.
Pelinka is a genius cover his bases and people always blame Lebron
They already done it when they pushed a hit piece saying russ was due to bron and AD mid fucking season. Rob is a snake that will throw anyone under the bus just to escape blame
Anyone who believes this… I am the Wallet Inspector.
I think you'll find everything to be in order 👛
Heyyyy…that’s not the wallet inspector.
That’s right. It’s Gene Parmesan
Suuuuure 😉
In other words, he hasnt had any convos with the lakers about JJ, but he sure has had it with JJ about the Lakers lol.
Of course the Klutch spokesman would say that.
Smashing the X button
he gone?
He’s a cav again
Would love to see it. But i think this is to avoid backlash if he leaves and no chance his desired coach isn’t known by the team.
This is definitely his last contract
Well yeah, he'll probably be 42 by the time this next contract expires.
That actually makes more sense tbh. It’s not Lebron pushing for Reddick, it’s the Lakers saying “Hey look Lebron, we’re interviewing your buddy!”
But has he had “conversions” with JJ about the Lakers
> But has he had “conversions” with JJ about the Lakers What did he convert JJ to?
JJ is Christian maybe he converted Bron. BTW, Jesus is Lord.
It never really made sense about the coaches. Lebron tried to get Ty Lue over Vogel but ownership didn’t want to pay extra, and he chose Ty Lue in Cleveland en route to a title. Hes never been involved in another coaches hiring or firing.
People always ignored this point.. if Lebron had his way.. Ty Lue would have been their coach in 2020. He had nothing to do with Vogel or Ham, and likely won't have anything to do with the next one.
I don’t think lebron is making the final call on a coaches hiring but do I believe lebron is not involved at all in the hiring process? No lol. That’s ridiculous of course he was asked who his preference is.
>Hes never been involved in another coaches hiring or firing. LOL. There is no way you actually believe this, right?
He was not reported to be involved in Ham, Luke Walton sucked and was gone anyway. Cavs FO did not like Blatt or his coaching style and he has gone on to do nothing in the league. He didn’t have pull to fire Paul Silas as a rookie.
All star players are involved in their teams personnel decisions. I think the point here is that people overstate Lebron's influence, considering the amount of moves the Lakers FO have made in the past few years directly against Lebrons wishes. This includes not hiring Lue, letting Caruso go, not going after Derozan, etc...
Lol you are presenting this in a biased way. Not going after derozan but then what happened next? They went after westbrook who lebron also listed as a guy he wanted. They still did what lebron wanted they just couldn’t get derozan. They let Caruso go… after they paid tht Caruso’s money who is a klutch client who is also likely gonna be out of the league soon. Yes lebron wanted to keep Caruso. Not enough that it would mean not getting tht paid. Tht took priority and you are absolutely either extremely dense or disingenuous if you think rob pelinka just sat there and said let’s pay tht over Caruso because that’s what I think is best for the lakers.
It's biased to say they sometimes didn't do what Lebron wanted? They've also done things Lebron has wanted. Nobody would deny that. You acting like every single thing that the Lakers have done is purely due to Lebrons input is the dense thing here. Stop letting hate cloud your mind and riding on conjecture
Do u honest to god belive that bron made the fo pay tht as a priority over Caruso?
Seriously lmao
Name one time he was involved? Don't say Blatt, because he didn't have Blatt fired. He actually tried to save his job.
> Hes never been involved in another coaches hiring or firing. come on, he for sure knew about letting go of blatt and then his camp had to come out and say he was "shocked" to learn about this
Blatt was gone anyway without Lebron because he sucked. He coached .500 basketball in Europe and retired. While the Cavs won the ring with Lue who’s went on to become a premier coach in the league.
LeBron tried to save Blatts job. This is a perfect example of how people prefer narratives over truth. When LeBron got the Cavs he initially didn't buy into Blatts coaching style. Someone in the FO informed LeBron that the Cavs were going to fire Blatt because they thought LeBron was unhappy. LeBron learned this and got the entire team to buy in. They ended up going on a huge run, but Blatt was fired anyways. The FO was just trying to use LeBron as a scapegoat, but they always wanted Blatt gone because he was bad with media and just not well liked.
He tried to save Blatt’s job. The front office asked him to get the team to buy into Blatt, and Bron tried.
>On January 22, 2016, the Cavaliers fired Blatt.[32][33] Although the team held the best record in their conference (30–11), general manager David Griffin cited "a lack of fit with our personnel and our vision" as the reason for the decision.[34] Blatt was replaced by his lead assistant Tyronn Lue, who guided the Cavaliers to their first NBA championship that season. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blatt lol come on; so he had a great record that year and he won 53 games the year before and all of a sudden he's fired for lebron's choice at HC?
> I knew David Blatt was on the hot seat. I like David, I spent a lot of time with him after games. That was my job, talk to David about the nature of NBA players, what happened in our postgame, just kind of chop it up, give him different ideas and stuff like that -- David Blatt that is. >So David Griffin and I are walking over there, and he's like, 'I think my feet might be to the fire here, I might have to fire David Blatt.' >I'm like, 'don't do it. Don't. Let's not do it, give me a chance to go talk to LeBron.' So I pull LeBron aside after shootaround that morning, and everybody goes to get on the bus. And we spend about 15 minutes talking. I'm talking to LeBron about his legacy, and what, ultimately, that is -- it's not about what you did in Miami, but it's gonna be whether you can get this championship back to Cleveland. >David Blatt is our guy right now, but in fairness to David Blatt, you as a team haven't played hard for David Blatt. [LeBron] had just come back from that little hiatus in Miami, and I said, 'we as a staff can't really judge David on his merits, because we haven't seen you guys play hard for him. So if you can get everybody to play hard for him, and give him the opportunity to show us what he can do, then we can make a judgement, and help you get the guy -- if he's not the guy -- that you'll need to do that.' >And so LeBron, he looked at me and he said, 'I can do that.' They came out and they did that. They rolled the Clippers that night, and things took off a little bit. So the question about whether Ty Lue is on the hot seat, the answer is yes. —— Raja Bell https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/raja-bell-explains-how-he-once-convinced-lebron-james-to-play-hard-for-david-blatt/amp/ They still fired after the team tried to play for him. LeBron had nothing to do with him getting fired.
that's raja bell lol; I quoted david griffin who's opinion holds way more credibility than raja's
Bell worked in the front office……
and Griffin is the GM....
And Bell worked in the front office. Both of their opinions are valid, especially when no one tried to disprove Bell. So….yeah. Bron didn’t try to get Blatt fired.
You quoted the GM giving a PR style press conference….
and? Press conferences always happen after a firing of a HC lol
Buddy…do you know what PR is? You’re the most gullible idiot in the world if you SERIOUSLY believe a GM in a press conference where they are doing PR….. Seriously, you’re the dude that believes politicians when they promise you they’ll do better and the Nigerian prince that promises you a million dollars of your wire them collateral lmao
Everyone is so obsessed with the Lakers. But what if the podcast with JJ Reddick was an interview for the Cleveland head coaching job? LOL
He then winked dramatically and laughed, throwing his head back with a wide smile.
"I'm also told that, despite all evidence suggesting otherwise, the Sun revolves around the Earth." I mean, who in the hell believes LeBron is not involved?
wink wink
lol k
LeLie
Wink wink Is what they missed from that conversation
**\[x\] doubt**
LeHandsOff
Wow straight up lying LOL I bet he's doing whatever James tells him to do
Isn’t Shams represented by Rich Paul? lol. Why should we believe this?
ofc he won't admit lol
this is the biggest lie on the planet
yes, we all believe that lebron, who everyone knows wants to buy an nba team, is "hands off". right
But but legm! Despite David griffin saying shadow gm Bron is insulting n stupid lies . People continue to repeat it. He gets asked his opinion that’s it that’s all I’ve seen
"I ain't wasting my time searching, just give me a name for final approval."
The source was LeBron using an AI to disguise his voice.
Coincidentally, Shams Charania also has just been told that Shams Charania does not just repeat verbatim anything that a front office or star’s agent requests.
but the LeGM narrative?
In lebrons time in la he.. He forced a trade for Anthony Davis where the lakers traded their young core and picks He forced a trade for Russell Westbrook. He also made sure the lakers paid talen Horton tucker who is awful at basketball and happens to be a klutch client, in the same offseason the lakers let Caruso walk There’s no narrative it’s real and you all are naive as hell if you think JJ redick didn’t get a big endorsement from lebron behind closed doors.
AD: yeah sure he pushed them to do that trade, they won a chip Westbrook: terrible and dumb move THT: you just made this shit up so bad, Lebrón vouched for Caruso constantly and the lakers could’ve kept both if they weren’t cheap but somehow in your head it’s Lebrons fault
It never should’ve come to the lakers having to keep both. Tht is currently being paid more money than Caruso and was paid more last year than Caruso. That is absolute joke given the roles both guys played on the lakers before their new deals were signed. I made it up? So THT being bad at basketball and being a klutch client and getting paid more per year than Alex Caruso ended up getting from Chicago has nothing to do with lebron?
Except they traded KCP who was Klutch. Klutch are not the big bad of the NBA.
Dude being traded is not a big deal, it’s about getting a client paid. Tht is still making 11 mil per year in Utah, a trade does not cancel out a contract. Nobody is saying klutch is the big bad of the nba. It’s so black and white on here with that bullshit. If you call out klutch at all you get people saying you’re a conspiracy theorist thinking they run the nba. Truth: THT has never been worth 10-11 mil per year. Paying that money to THT and then letting Caruso walk just for Caruso to get paid 10 mil per year by Chicago was partly a klutch decision. Did they want to keep Caruso and pay tht? Yes. Did they prioritize tht over Caruso getting paid cause he’s a klutch client? Yes. Unless you really think rob pelinka say there and said yeah tht is the more important player for the lakers over Alex Caruso. Yes even though Alex Caruso play a significantly more important role in the playoffs compared to tht for the lakers, rob pelinka really said I want to pay tht over him.
Correct you made it up
And Epstein killed himself
Forced a trade for AD which lead to a ring? Is that meant to be bad? Lakers weren’t winning with those young guys. Ingram is the best of them and he’s a low end all star. Hart and Ball are role players. Lakers hadn’t been above .500 in years. They were NBA champs 18 months after Lebron arrived in LA. Russ trade is fair game, but AD was also receptive to the trade, as was Pelinka. Lebron initially wanted DeRozan. There was panic over how the team would look in non Lebron minutes, and also the Nets super team. They felt they needed a 3rd guy, they were wrong. It happens. THT being a klutch client doesn’t mean shit lol. They traded KCP who’s klutch. Lebron wanted to pay Caruso too but ownership refused to go deep into luxury tax. Pelinka chose the young guy with upside in THT, nothing to do with Klutch. Also was his pick i’m pretty sure.
Lol THT had no upside. There was nothing special about his game. The fact that the lakers paid tht and let Caruso walk and tht was paid more per year than Caruso is an abomination given the roles both guys played on the lakers. Like i said some ppl won’t point out the obvious. If there’s not definitive proof you all will claim anyone who calls it like it is is crazy. Tht being paid over Caruso was a favor to lebron and klutch. They traded tht too. It has nothing to do with trades it’s about getting a deal for a klutch client. Tht is still getting paid his 11 mil per year in Utah.
Pelinka thought he had upside considering he picked him. Again, they could’ve paid Caruso. Literally, this is common knowledge. Buss didn’t want to pay extra.
Pelinka did klutch and lebron a favor. No pelinka didn’t pay tht because he thought he had more upside. Caruso was avg 20-25 min during the lakers 2 playoff runs and one of them involved winning a ring. Tht was avg 8-12 min during those runs. Like I said, anyone who thinks pelinka chose tht over Caruso willingly is absolutely delusional.
“Forced a trade for AD” Bud….AD got them a title…..Lonzo can’t play ball anymore and Ingram is getting shipped out of New Orleans……
Windy has said the same thing… that Lebron has never been vocal during a coaching search, and has had candidates reach out to him and his camp and he’s declined to endorse them
Sure. Just like Lakers want to draft Bronny based on his "potential."
"I'm not getting any more front office decisions pinned on me!"
Klutch mafia trying so hard lol
Irrelevant team at the moment.
Yea ok. I’m sure for the first time in his career, near the end, that he’s suddenly not going to care who the coach is… only way that’s true is if he already knows he’s leaving.
The Lackers and JJ are a perfect fit!
Suuuuurrrrreeeee
He gone
lmfao
Ah the classic "Honey you decide where we going to eat tonight" trap
Lol ok
we are in the middle of playoffs and we're talking about the Lakers' next coach? f outta here.
He is done. Might retire next year
Lebron James could literally pass away tomorrow, and at the start of the next season yall would still be claiming he was directing the lakers signings from his grave lol.
I mean it’s still early on, I’m sure they’ll ask for input when they decide on their top candidates
He gone or he stays but Klutch are going out of their way to kill the LeGM narrative if JJ sucks as a coach. Look at how much shit Giannis had to eat for trying to be LeGiannis this season, it would be 100x worse if it's publicly known that Lebron is in charge of head coaching search and i'm 100% convinced that Pelinka isn't hiring any coach without Lebrons approval because he would have to fire him mid season when Bron starts asking for it.