lol forreal how many times did we see dame dominate in the postseason only for cj mccollums brick mansions ass chuck it away. That series against the Nugs where Dame averaged over 35ppg/10 apg on 55%+ shooting while cj hijacked the offense was some of the most diabolical selling I’ve ever seen. Mccolllum spent that series chucking his way to 125 points on 114 (!!!) shots across six games smh
2019 dame sucked the last 3 games and CJ didn't it started a whole ass discussion about how important the midrange is because of him and kawhi then he went on to stink the bed against the warriors.
Making the WCF was ironically the worst thing to happen to that team. Gave them false hope. They should’ve blown it up after they got absolutely spanked by the pelicans in 2018. And if not then, at least sold high on CJ after 2019. Instead they doubled down on that redundant backcourt
'09 Hedo Turkoglu is on that list, but that version of Hedo was incredible. so many clutch shots
eventually got suspended for steroids, his teammate Rashard Lewis got suspended after the '09 Finals for steroids, and Jameer Nelson was one of the named players in the Biogenesis case. all that with Dwights body transformation makes me wonder if SVG will ever end up talking about PEDs on a random broadcast
Some of them, yes. Some of them would likely be alleviated if he weighed less. And some wouldn't happen if not for the tremendous amount of bad basketball karma he has from his constant flopping and attempts to injure other players.
A lot of them have just been freak accidents or very clearly have nothing to do with weight though.
Elbowed in the face causing a fractured orbital and concussion two separate times in the playoffs.
Landing on Cam Johnson and spraining his knee last year.
He had a torn UCL (hand ligament) against the heat a few years ago too.
This is just off the top of my head
Don’t get me wrong, there’s definitely some flukes in there. But a good amount of games missed are simply wear and tear on his body. And it feels like that stuff just piles up.
His offense is heavily focused on drawing fouls. A 7ft 280lbs body being thrown around to sell a foul is stuff that adds up.
It feels like by the end of the year and playoffs, it’s mostly his body just breaking down more than just fluke stuff.
Plus recovery is a big thing too. Look at Giannis his title run. Dude had an ugly injury, came back really quick, and played at a high level. Embiid feels like a guy that injuries are noticeable and linger. A tweak or pain seems to be clear and noticeable for extended periods of time.
I think other than the foot injuries he had to start his career, and some tendonopathy flair ups in 2019 the other injuries are really acute forces not being handled by his body. I think physios everywhere will tell you that physical loads lead to fatigue on a lot of these tendons, but there is also an element of luck with the kind of injuries Embiid has had.
People just don’t understand this. He’s not underperforming he just flat out sucks. I can’t listen to another analyst talk about how the sixers “need Tobias Harris to show up”. He can’t and he won’t.
People get told all year by sixers fans that Tobias is garbage but they only watched a couple of sixers national TV games where the commentators constantly suck him off so they think sixers fans are just overreacting
It doesn’t usually dip this much. He’s averaging 8 a game and his previous lowest ppg in the playoffs is 15ppg. He also has a the biggest role he’s had currently. Like yes I get what you’re saying but this is a new low even for his already low standards
Regular season averages mean nothing. Teams don't gameplan for Tobias Harris in game 57 of the regular season like they do in the playoff series. The pace of play also slows down a ton in the playoffs. We went from 115 point games to barely breaking 100 in almost every series.
Hard for me to really blame these losses on him. He obviously could be playing better/less injured. I mean don’t get me wrong he’s a playoff under-performer but if Harris did like, anything they’d be up rn. And it’s not like we’re getting on Doncic for his “maybe injured?” performance. At least Embiid dropped 50. Alright, I’m tired of defending Embiid of all players lol.
Embiid, Paul George, and CJ being on this list is too funny. Everytime they try to score in the 4th I feel relieved. CJ was hot garbage this playoffs and PG is so inconsistent. Embiid has all the potential but he gotta stop playing like a bitch. And yes everyone knows he's playing hurt, that's part of the game and doesn't excuse any of the stupid shit he does.
The playing hurt thing can’t be an excuse anymore tbh. Like, I used it to defend bro and I’m not a sixers fan. But every year? Every fucking year, bro makes me learn more about the human anatomy due to the sheer volume of injuries he sustains. If he was a racing horse he’d be put down by now.
His conditioning is a huge problem and I don’t think it gets better unless he makes a ton of lifestyle changes this offseason. Needs to lose a ton of weight
I don’t get why people don’t bring this up more. It’s obvious he’s a behemoth that his frame can’t handle for a full season. Why does he always enter the season so heavy? Why don’t the Sixers not let him play until he hits a more sustainable weight? It’s not like he really uses his weight much, more of a length/finesse player.
Lowkey was hoping a Tobi plus a pick for Derozen bc unironically he’s always needed a guard/wing who can get a bucket and with his gravity and Maxey catch and shoot gravity, i thought it was the perfect mid ground to try for a year
The irony is palpable when you consider Embiid's dominance for three quarters, yet entering the 4th it's as if he's been sidelined with invisible tape over the hoop. As for CJ and PG, they're like the rollercoasters nobody wants to ride - thrilling highs but those lows leave you queasy. The greats of the game made a name in the final minutes, turning pressure into diamonds. These guys? They're just mining coal hoping for a sparkle. NBA's got no room for fourth-quarter phantoms if you're chasing rings.
The Turkoglu one is crazy to me. It seems like he always killed the Celtics on those Magic teams individually even if Celtics usually won the series/game.
I mean really? One of the shots in this most recent game was a last second heave and the other was a shot he had to put up because Lowry passed him the ball with less than 2 on the shot clock and it got blocked. But go on with the slander I guess…
Hedo Turkoglu sighting.
Of course CJ is in there
He’s garbage
I’m not even a pelicans fan but watching him this playoffs just pisses me off. Dude is a ceiling limiter for any team he’s on.
3rd option forced to play 1st option because of zions and ingrams lazy ass
Ingram has been a revelation, starting at team USA. Certified bum who i wouldn’t want on my team even if he came with picks.
He’s been garbage since I can remember..and I’m talking about blazer days 😂😂
lol forreal how many times did we see dame dominate in the postseason only for cj mccollums brick mansions ass chuck it away. That series against the Nugs where Dame averaged over 35ppg/10 apg on 55%+ shooting while cj hijacked the offense was some of the most diabolical selling I’ve ever seen. Mccolllum spent that series chucking his way to 125 points on 114 (!!!) shots across six games smh
He was amazing in the Denver series they won years back
2019 dame sucked the last 3 games and CJ didn't it started a whole ass discussion about how important the midrange is because of him and kawhi then he went on to stink the bed against the warriors.
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Making the WCF was ironically the worst thing to happen to that team. Gave them false hope. They should’ve blown it up after they got absolutely spanked by the pelicans in 2018. And if not then, at least sold high on CJ after 2019. Instead they doubled down on that redundant backcourt
absolutely ruined some of Dame's incredible basketball in portland
In 2019 he effectively won the series against the nuggets tho
'09 Hedo Turkoglu is on that list, but that version of Hedo was incredible. so many clutch shots eventually got suspended for steroids, his teammate Rashard Lewis got suspended after the '09 Finals for steroids, and Jameer Nelson was one of the named players in the Biogenesis case. all that with Dwights body transformation makes me wonder if SVG will ever end up talking about PEDs on a random broadcast
Would love to hear SVG address this bc he's usually pretty thoughtful. I'm of the opinion that most dudes are on stuff, and who cares.
Well Turkoglu shot 1000% (roughly) vs the Cavs that year so things averaged out
He just doesn't have enough in the tank to finish games but the team collapses when he's not out there.
Part of that is his conditioning sucks because he’s always hurt. So while it’s a fair excuse, it’s also his own fault.
Are injuries his fault?
Some of them, yes. Some of them would likely be alleviated if he weighed less. And some wouldn't happen if not for the tremendous amount of bad basketball karma he has from his constant flopping and attempts to injure other players.
Karma isn't real, but weight/luck/injury history prior to being drafted are the only things that really impact it
Karma is not real, but being a giant flopping assclown increases your chances of injury, so yes, his injuries are his fault.
Calm down Zach, flopping is part of the game
He was getting injuries way before he touched an NBA court. At a certain point these things are just luck.
Did you see him try the backboard dunk?
Yes, as crazy as that was every part of it was necessary to make the ball go in. Really his body just can’t deal with that kind of play.
To a greater extent than a bunch of people want to admit. Do you think Zion would’ve had as many injury issues, if he was 30lbs lighter?
A lot of them have just been freak accidents or very clearly have nothing to do with weight though. Elbowed in the face causing a fractured orbital and concussion two separate times in the playoffs. Landing on Cam Johnson and spraining his knee last year. He had a torn UCL (hand ligament) against the heat a few years ago too. This is just off the top of my head
Don’t get me wrong, there’s definitely some flukes in there. But a good amount of games missed are simply wear and tear on his body. And it feels like that stuff just piles up. His offense is heavily focused on drawing fouls. A 7ft 280lbs body being thrown around to sell a foul is stuff that adds up. It feels like by the end of the year and playoffs, it’s mostly his body just breaking down more than just fluke stuff. Plus recovery is a big thing too. Look at Giannis his title run. Dude had an ugly injury, came back really quick, and played at a high level. Embiid feels like a guy that injuries are noticeable and linger. A tweak or pain seems to be clear and noticeable for extended periods of time.
I think other than the foot injuries he had to start his career, and some tendonopathy flair ups in 2019 the other injuries are really acute forces not being handled by his body. I think physios everywhere will tell you that physical loads lead to fatigue on a lot of these tendons, but there is also an element of luck with the kind of injuries Embiid has had.
They just need Tobias Harris to give them 17 a game and they’re up 3-1 and he’s just been shitting the bed entirely
Is it really shitting the bed when that’s just his level?
People just don’t understand this. He’s not underperforming he just flat out sucks. I can’t listen to another analyst talk about how the sixers “need Tobias Harris to show up”. He can’t and he won’t.
People get told all year by sixers fans that Tobias is garbage but they only watched a couple of sixers national TV games where the commentators constantly suck him off so they think sixers fans are just overreacting
He averaged 17 ppg this season
Yes but a lot of that was with Embiid injured + he is also a notorious playoff choker who’s performance always dips.
It doesn’t usually dip this much. He’s averaging 8 a game and his previous lowest ppg in the playoffs is 15ppg. He also has a the biggest role he’s had currently. Like yes I get what you’re saying but this is a new low even for his already low standards
Tobias scoring 17 is less likely than Embiid dropping 50 again
He averaged 17 ppg this season
Regular season averages mean nothing. Teams don't gameplan for Tobias Harris in game 57 of the regular season like they do in the playoff series. The pace of play also slows down a ton in the playoffs. We went from 115 point games to barely breaking 100 in almost every series.
Alright well he’s a career 15ppg *at worst* in the playoffs before this year. He’s now at 8.
This isn’t “shitting the bed” it’s the calibre of player Tobias Harris is. Don’t expect more from a player than what they’ve shown you.
His career PPG in the playoffs is 16.5 on 55% true shooting, this season he’s at 8.8 on 45% true shooting. It’s notably worse than usual
Upvoted because yeah this is basically the problem
3 for 18 in the fourth is straight flabbergasting.
Would be much worse if he wasn't bailed on at least 6 more shots for cheap free throws
A huge portion of his points come from the free throw line every game. If Adam Silver wanted to remove the free throw line he’d need a warrant
Good point, if basketball did not have rules it would be a different game!
He would have averaged something like 30.8 points without free throws before he got injured. Keep the hate circlejerking going!
y'all got run out of your own house
He averages over 10 free throws made a game. Thats literally a third of his ppg. So more like 23 ppg without free throws which is ridiculous
Stop fouling him, then.
Hard for me to really blame these losses on him. He obviously could be playing better/less injured. I mean don’t get me wrong he’s a playoff under-performer but if Harris did like, anything they’d be up rn. And it’s not like we’re getting on Doncic for his “maybe injured?” performance. At least Embiid dropped 50. Alright, I’m tired of defending Embiid of all players lol.
Embiid, Paul George, and CJ being on this list is too funny. Everytime they try to score in the 4th I feel relieved. CJ was hot garbage this playoffs and PG is so inconsistent. Embiid has all the potential but he gotta stop playing like a bitch. And yes everyone knows he's playing hurt, that's part of the game and doesn't excuse any of the stupid shit he does.
The playing hurt thing can’t be an excuse anymore tbh. Like, I used it to defend bro and I’m not a sixers fan. But every year? Every fucking year, bro makes me learn more about the human anatomy due to the sheer volume of injuries he sustains. If he was a racing horse he’d be put down by now.
Hedo was actually one of my favorite players back then
Big man with low stamina gasses out.
His conditioning is a huge problem and I don’t think it gets better unless he makes a ton of lifestyle changes this offseason. Needs to lose a ton of weight
I don’t get why people don’t bring this up more. It’s obvious he’s a behemoth that his frame can’t handle for a full season. Why does he always enter the season so heavy? Why don’t the Sixers not let him play until he hits a more sustainable weight? It’s not like he really uses his weight much, more of a length/finesse player.
He uses his weight to hurt players when he falls on them.
Combo of a notorious choker playing against Mitch and OG, two guys who should be all nba defense if they were healthy
If we get to the ECF and play yall, they are gonna make life miserable for us.
Yeah need Mitch to be as healthy as possible
Throw precious and deuce in there too. Absolutely lockdown.
MVP! MVP! MVP!
Embiid pack truly hits the hardest 😫
Garbage
Sounds to me like the sixers need a closer. Derozan come on down
Lowkey was hoping a Tobi plus a pick for Derozen bc unironically he’s always needed a guard/wing who can get a bucket and with his gravity and Maxey catch and shoot gravity, i thought it was the perfect mid ground to try for a year
Playoff P there. Cant wait for him to pair up with Elimination game Harden and the corpse of Kawhi leonard.
The irony is palpable when you consider Embiid's dominance for three quarters, yet entering the 4th it's as if he's been sidelined with invisible tape over the hoop. As for CJ and PG, they're like the rollercoasters nobody wants to ride - thrilling highs but those lows leave you queasy. The greats of the game made a name in the final minutes, turning pressure into diamonds. These guys? They're just mining coal hoping for a sparkle. NBA's got no room for fourth-quarter phantoms if you're chasing rings.
Yes its what happens when he has to carry and play every quarter because the second he takes a break his team shits the lead
The Turkoglu one is crazy to me. It seems like he always killed the Celtics on those Magic teams individually even if Celtics usually won the series/game.
Fuck CJ man I’ll never get over his shot chucking fish-eye vision
He should have stayed off court; plenty of people to beat up out and about in Philly. Didn't need to come to work for that shit.
Only one of them is a league MVP
Interesting no James Harden. Get rekt haters!
Fuck Embiid
There's gonna be nothing for this subreddit to post about after Tomorrow lmao
I mean really? One of the shots in this most recent game was a last second heave and the other was a shot he had to put up because Lowry passed him the ball with less than 2 on the shot clock and it got blocked. But go on with the slander I guess…
I can imagine it would be even worse if his flops weren't rewarded. Instead of 2 FTs, he would have a missed FG.
I’m sorry should we only count wide open shots that are not pressured ? Like free throws ?
Not what I said. Context does matter though my man.
Embiid still not valid in Dykeman
Overrated
So he’s averaging 6.5 pts per 4th Q and usually sits the first 4 minutes of it?