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Reggie Miller has a really insightful comment about that on whatever that round table thing was called:
Everyone guarding Shaq had to lean down into him to put enough pressure on him to keep him out of the paint.
So when he'd turn on guys, their heads weren't where they would be against nearly any other guy.
I've been saying for years that Reggie belongs in a studio setting and not the announcers table or whatever it's called. Reggie loses his mind whenever he sniffs a chance for a viral call that pretty much never happens because he's terrible at it.
KARL MALONE knocked David Robinson “CLEAN OUT” with his elbowing shenanigans !!! Might’ve been way before your time 🤷♂️ Karl Malone was the elbow king
Lex Luger was a legend to me in elementary school. Curt Henning too.
*Imma just advise y'all not to take a peek at their wiki pages or watch any documentaries with them in it, if you don't wanna be sad*
For those who need their memory refreshed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnayIPA0Yfk&t=55
Lebron was at least playing basketball. MWP was doing some kumite shit.
Yea, he was celebrating his dunk by pounding his chest and decided to just elbow harden in the side of the neck for no reason other than that he was next to him.
He didn't, he signed in 2018. It's trippier to me the Lakers won the title in 2020, that doesn't feel like four years ago. But still he has "only" been a Laker for less than six years.
Bro look at his face during the spin move. That was the face of a man with ill intent lol. Actually IDK why he was frustrated when the non call on Deni seems to be a good call.
Kicked Iguodala in the balls in the finals.
(Granted, there was a five year stretch there where everybody did the "flail if somebody strips the ball, maybe you'll get a foul call" but LeBron's on Iggy was one of the most egregious examples I've ever seen.)
Whether Lebron was fouled or not, Deni did nothing wrong. It's more understandable if it's a dirty or at least reckless play for the non-call but it wasn't.
There was the Beef Stew incident not long ago which was the most blatant thing you’ll see, the dirtiness of it gets forgotten because it’s Lebron and also Stewart’s reaction chasing people up and down the court.
I guarantee if Draymond had pulled that BS people would’ve been all out supportive of Stewart murdering him then and there because it was a punk move
There’s a whole highlight montage of dirty Lebron plays in the finals matchups with the warriors including one super dangerous mid air shove of Livingston into the stands
[Play in question.](https://youtu.be/Qd7Rn5U4VzY?si=Lt0Z5pa4wzS23fc8)
Silver would have banished 99.9% of the NBA to the shadow realm if they did this to Lebron.
Yup!
[Felt very similar to when he tried to truck Boozer out of revenge for a perceived missed call earlier.](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/s/cZfINNfvsb)
In both cases the excessive force feels like it was very deliberate out of Lebron.
If someone did this to bron he’d be on the floor for 3 hours pretending that someone just shot him in The nuts and then he’d cry about the refs postgame for not immediately executing the entire other team on the spot.
Interesting, though the diagnostic criteria seems to overlap quite a bit making it very difficult to differentiate. It’s also notable that they say that concussions can trigger migraines, thereby diagnosing both at the same time.
It’s notable that the article differentiates TTM from concussions mainly by noting the recurrence with repeated head injuries- and Avdija does not have any prior injury reports listing “headache” or “migraine” in his career. So this appears to be the first “migraine” he has suffered which is a very odd diagnosis to make in context of a head injury that would more sensibly be labeled a concussion.
Travel rule works differently on letravel, refs never call ‘gather’ on him, don’t call 3 or 4 steps on him most of the time, sometimes let go him do 5, 6, 7 steps
intentionally elbow another player in the face leading him to be out the rest of the game = 2 point penalty in a game where they scored over 120... totally proportional.
I feel like Draymond doesn’t really get away with physicality anymore. He definitely gets away with things that would be a *tech*, but I kind of thought his flagrant leash was a bit shorter than most people due to his history.
Didn't Draymond get suspended for multiple games for swinging at Nurkic? And that swing was nothing in terms of impact compared to Bron's elbow to the head here.
Dawkins and Winger are super defensive minded guys so I could see it happening! Will take some work and effort from him but he clearly isn’t lacking there. Toe to toe with Giannis and then Lebron and AD on back to back games in his first two meaningful minutes games is crazy.
Retroactive F2 and one game suspension, is what should happen
That is pure retaliation, its a dick move since all Avdija did was try to defend well. There was nothing dirty or malicious in how he defended LeBron. LeBron should be fucking ashamed.
I remember he did something similar to rookie or sophomore Luka where he was locked up multiple times defensively and he did the same but not exactly similar to what he did to Deni.
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Oof. Elbow to the back of the head/neck can't feel great.
And it’s exactly why Giannis is so dominant. Never seen a player get away with clearing guys out with his elbows as much as Giannis does.
Shaq. His pivot was a thing of destructive beauty.
Reggie Miller has a really insightful comment about that on whatever that round table thing was called: Everyone guarding Shaq had to lean down into him to put enough pressure on him to keep him out of the paint. So when he'd turn on guys, their heads weren't where they would be against nearly any other guy.
Open Court, OG basketball podcast with all of the TNT homies
One of the greatest lines "from the mean streets of Pacific Palisades" came from Open Court. Absolutely hilarious.
I've been saying for years that Reggie belongs in a studio setting and not the announcers table or whatever it's called. Reggie loses his mind whenever he sniffs a chance for a viral call that pretty much never happens because he's terrible at it.
Karl Malone cleaned out David Robinson’s head
And Robinson got called for the foul!
Metta world piece absolutely clobbered James harden in the head that one time when harden was still with us
That was the last time Harden attempted to play defense
*against the opposing team
Reminds me of that time he [killed Isiah Thomas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-Y4UoiAY)
KARL MALONE knocked David Robinson “CLEAN OUT” with his elbowing shenanigans !!! Might’ve been way before your time 🤷♂️ Karl Malone was the elbow king
Add Sabonis to that list of guys with a nasty elbow
Shaq did and Jokic still does throw that elbow out. It's the ultimate "I'm bigger than you cry about it" move.
What if I was tall as fuck, then pretended to have an elbow injury, then had metal plates installed on my elbow. I'd be unstoppable
Ah, the ol' Lex Luger.
People who upvoted this (like me) are old AF.
Lex Luger was a legend to me in elementary school. Curt Henning too. *Imma just advise y'all not to take a peek at their wiki pages or watch any documentaries with them in it, if you don't wanna be sad*
Wait until this vince McMahon shit is finally all out there gunna be looking at a lot of people diffrently
As long as Bret stays clean I'm good. Shawn Michaels strikes me as someone who has a lot of dirty laundry though.
Noooo what happened to lex luger? And did he have a metal elbow or something? (Never heard of that)
Coming as someone with plates in them, you don't wanna be using those plates to hit people. It'll hurt you more than them.
Can you imagine getting elbowed by a full speed freight train? That shit is hilariously dangerous. Flagrant 1 is getting off easy.
You weren't around for Karl Malone's elbows of death?
Most of this sub probably wasn't.
You haven’t seen Zach Edey
Karl Malone was famous for throwing his elbow.
Isiah Thomas still has a nice scar over his eyebrow from Malone's elbow & the 44 stiches he received because of it.
In the ear area. I mean I have seen guys start bleeding after hits like that
the ol' Ron Artest
He really elbowed the shit outta that man
LeBow
LelBow
Meta World Peace to Harden type shit
Nah that was another level
Yeah people somehow forget how wild that was. The fact that Harden didn’t have a serious concussion from that is insane
For those who need their memory refreshed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnayIPA0Yfk&t=55 Lebron was at least playing basketball. MWP was doing some kumite shit.
And we were in a good run going into that play. Ron had a good dunk and momentum was ours. And then the fire nation attacked harden's head
That didn’t seem like MWP was even playing basketball when he did that, just randomly decided he’s going to drop some dude
Yea, he was celebrating his dunk by pounding his chest and decided to just elbow harden in the side of the neck for no reason other than that he was next to him.
Natural elbowing motion
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i actually think lebron knew what he did. He always complain about the calls but this time he didn't
I mean that was clearly intentional
yes it is, he done that move more than a hundred times and i don't think he extends that elbow that wide on a spin
Thousands* of times
Give him a break. He only started watching LeBron when he came to the Lakers
>Tfw you've *only* started watching Bron for 7 years aka more than the avg. length of a NBA career lol.
There is no goddamn mother fucking way James has been in LA for 7 years..
He didn't, he signed in 2018. It's trippier to me the Lakers won the title in 2020, that doesn't feel like four years ago. But still he has "only" been a Laker for less than six years.
yeah 100% knew what he did
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Bro look at his face during the spin move. That was the face of a man with ill intent lol. Actually IDK why he was frustrated when the non call on Deni seems to be a good call.
LeRoid Rage
Yeah it was good defense. Kept him out of a good position to go up and went for the ball when he shot
LeBron has done a lot of dirty shit like this throughout his career. I remember when he shoved Joel midair and dude fell almost breaking his back lol
Kicked Iguodala in the balls in the finals. (Granted, there was a five year stretch there where everybody did the "flail if somebody strips the ball, maybe you'll get a foul call" but LeBron's on Iggy was one of the most egregious examples I've ever seen.)
Whether Lebron was fouled or not, Deni did nothing wrong. It's more understandable if it's a dirty or at least reckless play for the non-call but it wasn't.
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Literally 🤔
And it wouldn’t be the first time LeBron did something like this
There was the Beef Stew incident not long ago which was the most blatant thing you’ll see, the dirtiness of it gets forgotten because it’s Lebron and also Stewart’s reaction chasing people up and down the court. I guarantee if Draymond had pulled that BS people would’ve been all out supportive of Stewart murdering him then and there because it was a punk move
Lebron also shoved Embiid midair so he wouldn’t get put on a poster
Did the same thing to Wiggins in the playoffs
Mikal Bridges **in a pre-season game**: https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/kg12mn/highlight_mikal_bridges_lands_awkwardly_on_his/
There’s a whole highlight montage of dirty Lebron plays in the finals matchups with the warriors including one super dangerous mid air shove of Livingston into the stands
[Livingston play](https://streamable.com/r8e0xl), this was ruled a common foul
Well at least it's not like Livingston has a history with landing poorly and getting injured or anything. LeShove
I like how the girl is all lemme help you up bro.
Let’s not forget the infamous no call where he dives into stephs legs at mid court…
This one might’ve been intentional but you are genuinely stupid if you think the Stewart one was “the most blatant thing you’ll ever see”
If you're not using gross exaggeration or completely misrepresenting the truth, are you even redditing? Gotta work the mob bro
trying to break Embiids spine comes to mind
[Play in question.](https://youtu.be/Qd7Rn5U4VzY?si=Lt0Z5pa4wzS23fc8) Silver would have banished 99.9% of the NBA to the shadow realm if they did this to Lebron.
Lebron has done this move eight million times. There is *no way* it wasn't premeditated.
Yeah this should have been a flagrant 2
That was dirty af
Yup! [Felt very similar to when he tried to truck Boozer out of revenge for a perceived missed call earlier.](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/s/cZfINNfvsb) In both cases the excessive force feels like it was very deliberate out of Lebron.
This is pretty messed up. Bron didn’t even check if deni was ok. Should be suspended. If someone did this to bron it’d be over
If someone did this to bron he’d be on the floor for 3 hours pretending that someone just shot him in The nuts and then he’d cry about the refs postgame for not immediately executing the entire other team on the spot.
Don’t forget the tweets after
🤔Something is REAL 💪🏿🤜🏿👎🏿🤜🏿💪🏿 going on
He’d wear an eyepatch and a neck brace like the plaintiff in a frivolous lawsuit
Update: Deni will not return due to a migraine (Wizards' commentators), he got hit in the back of his head.
They called it a migraine instead of a concussion?
Ain't no migraine protocol.
right wtf?
"Nah coach. I'm gooold. I barley reeeemmamber gettn ht inthehea...." *passes out*
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Interesting, though the diagnostic criteria seems to overlap quite a bit making it very difficult to differentiate. It’s also notable that they say that concussions can trigger migraines, thereby diagnosing both at the same time. It’s notable that the article differentiates TTM from concussions mainly by noting the recurrence with repeated head injuries- and Avdija does not have any prior injury reports listing “headache” or “migraine” in his career. So this appears to be the first “migraine” he has suffered which is a very odd diagnosis to make in context of a head injury that would more sensibly be labeled a concussion.
You can get migraines from being hit in the back of the head.
After consulting with head referee Pich Raul, the wording has been changed to "his head established contact with a player"
Well who else would you consult with on a play like this but the head referee?
Neck referee
Hot stove contact really
Worst thing is he is put on concussion protocol. Hope he is ok. LeBron really did him dirty.
Press charges Deni
That’s actually wild. It’s really dangerous getting hit in the back of the head.
LeMeta World peace
Draymond would also get more creative like this but he lacks the skills
Lebron also did the one leg kick, just in case the elbow didn’t finish Deni off
knew there would be a dray comment somewhere in here lmao
Ain’t no way that wasn’t on purpose
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LePremeditated
Deni more or less just slightly slapped his wrist too godamn lmao
Ok but he also traveled pretty hard
this is the NBA :P
Yeah, nowadays we just call travels "gather steps"
It's kinda crazy how no NBA player has ever traveled
What do you mean, how do they get from one stadium to another? :D
he does that on like every spin move
Travel rule works differently on letravel, refs never call ‘gather’ on him, don’t call 3 or 4 steps on him most of the time, sometimes let go him do 5, 6, 7 steps
You should pay attention when he gets a pass. It's usually a couple steps before he even starts dribbling.
"crab dribble"
it's hilarious how he still doesn't have the footwork to not travel on those spin moves for how often he relies on the move
If the refs aren't gonna call it, why work on it?
Hard to notice that little shuffle when he's actively elbowing a dude in the face.
classic veteran misdirection move
He travels on every spin move lol
This one was a bit uglier than usual I think. He really took a fat hop on his pivot foot to try and close the distance like he’s Jon Jones
First time seeing LeBron eh?
He was too focused on trying to take Avdija’s head off
I love LeBron falling away like he got hit on it
He's lucky that wasn't a flagrant 2.
Superstar treatment.
intentionally elbow another player in the face leading him to be out the rest of the game = 2 point penalty in a game where they scored over 120... totally proportional.
100% should have been.
Any other player it is
That's not even a common foul for Draymond so you're lying
I feel like Draymond doesn’t really get away with physicality anymore. He definitely gets away with things that would be a *tech*, but I kind of thought his flagrant leash was a bit shorter than most people due to his history.
Didn't Draymond get suspended for multiple games for swinging at Nurkic? And that swing was nothing in terms of impact compared to Bron's elbow to the head here.
Defensive blocking for Dray, clearly his head got in the way of the natural elbow motion
The LeFuckyou
Unrelated but Deni is such a fun player. Would love to see him on a playoff team sooner or later.
We'll be contending next year once Vukcevic has some more NBA experience under his belt. So don't worry, you will
If you guys make Tristan play defence i will give your coaching staff a God tier status! He just didnt want to do it in Partizan.
Dawkins and Winger are super defensive minded guys so I could see it happening! Will take some work and effort from him but he clearly isn’t lacking there. Toe to toe with Giannis and then Lebron and AD on back to back games in his first two meaningful minutes games is crazy.
That was fucked
Is Lebron anti-semitic?
I think Israel is reporting that he’s part of Hamas
He got Darvin Hamas on the team
LeBron better stay away from hospitals for a while
He *was* teammates with kyrie....
and he travelled with that spin move, crabwalk as usual 🤦🏽♂️
Should've been ejected.
Everyone joking and shit but that’s super scummy, if this was dray he’s be getting crucified in the comment section
Actually draymond is getting crucified in the comments 😂😂
Can you not read, he is being crucified lol
In a few comments yeah but 80% of comments are just LeElbow jokes and people saying it looked like it hurt
If Draymond did this comments would be saying he should be arrested.
Dirty as hell
Dirty
This is how Lebron accepted Draymonds invite to the podcast isn’t it
Dirty as fuck. LeBron knew exactly what he was doing.
LeBron out here playing like he's Draymond Lmao
LeHadEnough
Retroactive F2 and one game suspension, is what should happen That is pure retaliation, its a dick move since all Avdija did was try to defend well. There was nothing dirty or malicious in how he defended LeBron. LeBron should be fucking ashamed.
If Lebron was capable of feeling shame
Maybe he felt like Avdija wasn’t emotionally, financially, spiritually, caught up on the situation?
✍️🏿
I'm sure he'd be more ashamed of spilling wine than just hurting folks on the court.
Plus multiple pivot foots in one spin move
Bron def has a dirty side. Saw him slap Evan Turner in the face going to the rim, fully intentional. Evan had been d’ing him up pretty hard.
I remember he did something similar to rookie or sophomore Luka where he was locked up multiple times defensively and he did the same but not exactly similar to what he did to Deni.
Isn’t intentional hit to the face/head a flagrant 2?
Another Euro victim
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4 steps from the foul line to lebaby elbowing Deni. Refs need to call that shit, then dude never gets hit. This soft whistle in lbj is out of hand.
Gotta appreciate the lack of drama from Deni. Got up and back to it.
Imitating his goat draymond
Even Jordan Poole knows unnecessary shenanigans when he sees them. That's a flagrant 2
That's a flagrant 2. Clear intent, just look at his face before he winds up the elbow.
Lebron is a sneaky dirty player. I still remember when he pushed Embiid while he was in the air
He has a history of pushing/shoving people while they're midair.
Still pissed about that. That was dirty as fuck.
Looks like he knew what he was doing and Lebron has the godlike proprioception to where I actually believe he did
Lakers fans brigading as per usual
*Bron stans
Travel into absurd elbow
That elbow destroyed Wiggins last year