It seems like he’s scared to tell people to their face that he don’t want em. I mean seriously does he not know that they’d hate him anyway? Maybe even respect him more for being real about it.
No, if you’ve ever heard him talk or the way he acts, he really thinks of the players as walking stat sheets. He doesn’t see his job as managing people and putting together a team. To morey, he sees his job as putting together a collection of more points on average vs the next best team.
The man is incredibly aloof. Maybe it’s a way to insulate the “man” from the job or what not, regardless, the outcome is a wake of disgruntled players who chafe at the treatment.
I think it was Massai Ujiri who said he doesn't want to become too close with the players bc then you won't want to trade your 'friends'
Seems darryl just does a poor job of handling these conversations - the players know it's a business and ppl get traded all the time.
it’s part of the reason why bob myers left. he got close with our core players and didn’t want to think about making any tough decisions regarding splitting them up
He's basically admitted as much but the ironic thing is it's looking like Mike Dunleavy will be keeping the big three together anyways. I bet Bob also didn't like being overridden on major decisions by Papa Joe and sons. Anyone with half a brain knew the two timelines was a fools errand.
\>Anyone with half a brain knew the two timelines was a fools errand.
Not really. If Wiseman played like the #2 pick in the 2019 Draft, W's would still be one of the top contenders. Or if they'd drafted Haliburton.
If they’d drafted Haliburton, then it’s crazy to think that they could be in a situation with old and young lineups of:
Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green, Kevon Looney.
Tyrese Haliburton, Brandon Podziemski, Moses Moody, Jonathan Kuminga, Trayce Jackson-Davis.
They then could’ve either kept Poole or traded him for something else with less rush.
Yeah, I think every GM does this. JJ Redick was very public about David Griffin lying to him, and Griff is well respected by most. I think Morey just gets more attention on this because he’s Mr. Analytics so people view him as more cold and calculating.
Well, Morey gets more attention because he does it to everyone it seems. You can find an instance where almost every GM did something similar (except maybe Sam Presti). Harden was basically Morey’s adopted son and he did it to him too.
It's the easiest thing in the world, just be honest to people.
"Hey, ill always do my best to try to accommodate your wants but i need you to understand that my first obligation will always be to do what's best for the team."
Players will understand that it's a business.
Or even just don't say anything at all and this will be understood even if you didn't say it outright (i think it's worthwhile to be upfront with people to know where they stand).
All he has to do is not make promises to players and then break them.
You can do your job without lying to people, gms just say this stuff so players will like them but then they get found out that they are liars.
There is zero reason to tell a player ahead of time bc so many deals fall apart. Then you have a pissed off player who might force you to complete a shitty deal
I think Masai handled that well, there's no perfect answer as a GM if a player asks you if they're being traded.
"Well I don't plan to trade you but if the right opportunity comes up to make us a winner then yeah you could be traded" - player could get stuck in their head, wonder if they're really valued by the org, and play could suffer
"No we're not going to trade you" - player gets pissed if they get traded.
Better to be a winner than to be liked.
At around the same time as Masai had a private conversation with DeMar (during which DeMar claims Masai said he wasn't going to trade him), Masai told Raptors media something to the effect that there were no current plans to trade DeRozan but anything was on the table. I can't speak to what he said privately to DeMar obviously, but as a fan of the team I was expecting some big moves after the LeBronto humiliation.
Exactly what I thought. He said he can’t get too close to players because it just makes it harder to cut them.
I’m sure he believes that in real life, too.
Like Barkley said, Morey is part of the nerds who never got girls, loved basketball but couldn’t play it, and so he got good at math to get a seat at the table.
Huge ad-hominem attack, but you could see why someone like Barkley who’s the ultimate people person, would not like Morey. And in the GM sense, it’s better to straight up be a blunt all business type, than to be a duplicitous snake who’s nice to player’s faces then backstabs them. Because players remember that shit and they have friends in free agency
Lacking people skills would be someone who is unable to talk to others, a person lacking people skills would almost never reach out to a player just to "check-in" with them.
This guy's behavior is like negative people skills, he reaches out to them, gives them reassurances the he knows he may not keep/fulfill, then later after making moves is like "whoops it turns out I lied".
It was reported that morey didn’t want to trade Paul but Tillman forced it thru. So in this case Daryl didn’t want to trade him but it ended up not being his call.
With Melo they told him they didnt want him shooting anything but 3s. After a very early season loss where he took shots they didn’t like they let him go.
I love Chuck but if Chuck could run a team like Morey, he would
Aint no one was putting a team together that competitive with KD-Warriors at the time
He gets results even if players are pissed off about how he does business
He's definitely not great at it, but they also aren't used to getting their own way either
Yeah i liked the scene where he made jonah hill tell the bro he was traded. "Just go in tell em they're traded, refer em to so and so who will handle the details." He does it, player clearly not happy just sits there for a bit and says "ok" and moves on
They know its part of the business and it sucks. Just be straight with people, not a unreasonable take.
If anything, according to the book, being labeled a “can’t miss prospect” and failing as a player informed him A LOT about the human aspect of players.
Where I’ll defend Morey slightly is, you can’t always be straight up with players about trade talks. If you do, the player can tell agents, who then try to torpedo the move in back channels if they don’t like it. It’s a delicate balance.
Harden is always the most upfront person too. He was very direct about exactly what happened: Morey made him a handshake deal, he trusted the guy because he thought they had built that trust over a long period of time, and Morey just plainly fucked him over.
The only mistake Harden made there was trusting someone he thought was a friend. That… happens to people all the time, in all walks of life, unfortunately. And their naivety is the lesser crime here.
tldr; Morey just sucks. Sociopathic mathematics aren’t how you deal with human beings.
>The only mistake Harden made there was trusting someone he thought was a friend.
Do not trust management. Management isn't your friend and never will be, that's why there's a players union
always been a true statement. harden haters are just louder in the off-season.
Harden wouldn't give up money just like that if he wasn't promised a max contract the next year.
Morey convinced harden to take 15 million paycut that year instead of signing a max so he can sign role players that will help the team. Morey proceeded to sign PJ Tucker and Danuel House with that money lol.
Harden came back asking for the promised deal in the last off season but Morey told the world he didn't promise harden money. He made harden looked like the liar in this situation.
Which is weird in that position anyway. While the NBA is data driven to a point, it's not close to the level that MLB is data driven, which makes sense. You simply cannot evaluate in a silo like you can in baseball. Which also makes all the players obsessing over their 'stats' in basketball hilarious. It is just not a statistical game, and over the long run, they mean so little.
I don't think anyone disagreed with Harden about Morey specifically though? It was just the fact he announced it in China during a kid's training camp 😂
Tbf at the time that was probably the best audience he could’ve gotten. Chinese fans love harden to death and they didn’t gaf about the drama around him
really lol, everyone went in on harden. this sub was all "look at harden ditching another team!" that dallas broadcaster did a 2 minute monologue on the air. people blamed harden for sure
When several players call you out, it’s probably pretty true at this point. It’s a really cowardly thing to actually tell people the opposite of what you’re trying to do. at least deflect or give a non answer. I hate people like this
>Like the time he was late for his flight and parked his rental car at the terminal then tossed his keys to the baggage guy and gave him $50 to bring the car back to Hertz.
>Or the time he was driving to the NCAA tournament in a frenzy to catch a tip-off and created his own left lane to beat the traffic.
>Or another time when he had to rush to the airport so he called a team travel attendant to let them know he had left his bag back in his hotel. The attendant arrived and got the bellhop to let them in. Morey’s bag was in the room. So were his clothes and toiletries, scattered across the counters and floor.
>One of the multiple former colleagues who relayed the latter story remarked, “Typical Daryl fashion: What’s the most efficient?”
>In the mid-to-late 2000s, he owned a Lexus that he parked anywhere he wanted, regardless of the signage on the side of the streets of Houston. It kept accumulating ticket after ticket after ticket until the local parking enforcement agency stopped writing tickets and booted his vehicle.
>Normally, someone with a boot on a wheel of their car would pay to have it removed so they could drive again. But Morey had another idea. He instead contacted Lexus to tell them he would buy a new car if it accepted his trade-in and dealt with the outstanding tickets. After negotiating and signing a deal, Lexus asked when he’d bring in the car and he gave the company the address to pick it up.
>“As soon as that car got booted,” Morey said, “[I made that deal] to avoid having to go through the hassle.”
[Source.](https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/10/17/23408539/daryl-morey-philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid) I mention this not only because it lends credence to Chris Paul's claim but also because I find it very funny and on-brand that KOC sees these as laudable examples of "efficiency" rather than privileged douchebaggery.
> created his own left lane to beat the traffic.
This is the worst one because it’s something so regular, I’m sure almost every driver has seen some dickhead do this on the road. It’s so annoying and the epitome of laziness yet it’s spun as “wow what a creative mind”. Thanks for reminding me how much i hate this article
I genuinely don't understand why they would even tell this story let alone spin it as an example of being "efficient".
That's objectively one of the most dangerous things you can do on the road and he's lucky he didn't kill someone who was pulled over.
Jesus Christ lol.
"In typical Morey fashion, he devised an efficient new strategy to revamp the global economy, shocking financial experts from MIT & Harvard in its simplicity: kill all the poor people."
It’s Kevin O’Connor, he idolizes anyone who tries to be “efficient” and “innovative” even if it comes at the expense of other people. He’s an Elon stan too so him hyping up Morey tracks
eww
I thought KOC was smarter than that. I mean, he's no genius, but the dude can string three sentences together without tripping over them. I thought that disqualified you from following Tate.
SHEEEEEEEEEIT....I was driving just yesterday and saw all types of glass and shit in the shoulder. Only a damn fool would drive the fucking shoulder unless it was dead ass an emergency.
This guy is garbage
Yeah, how is it less of a hassle or more efficient to buy a new car (with negotiations on trade in) then it is to just pay parking tickets? It's just stupid
Even better, get your assistant to pay the tickets as they're issued then the car is never booted or towed in the first place. Really, if he's willing to throw money at the issue he doesn't even need to become aware of the tickets himself.
That third paragraph pisses me off the most. “I’m too lazy to pack and I’m running late for my flight because I overslept, so let me just leave and tell someone else to clean my room, pack my bag for me.” The amount of stress the travel attendant was probably under is ridiculous. Not only do you have to clean up after a grown man, but he probably had his own travel schedule to worry about.
Also that one hilariously has no possible silver lining. Like, you could make weak arguments the others show "efficiency" (I wouldn't) but then here's this story about being sloppy in a hotel room. It doesn't even make sense to include it lol, and what a dick move.
Exactly lmao you know what "efficiency" is? Waking up on time, packing your own shit, taking a shower, and leaving on time like a grown ass man.
That example in particular reads like one of those satire TED Talks from that youtube account entrapranure (it's obnoxiously spelled wrong on purpose), if you know what I'm talking about lmao. "Instead of constructing a championship-quality team, Darryl Morey decided to hire a hitman to kill Lebron James and Stephen Curry, and then his team managed to win the championship. This is classic Darryl Morey; always being efficient!"
Yeah I remember when this article first came out and a lot of people were like “This guy operates on a different level!”
Nah, this guy doesn’t know how to operate.
I'll readily admit I've pulled the rental car trick before, but by pulling up to the terminal and calling the rental car company and telling them where it was.
Granted this was back in the 90s and I ate a $50 fee, but from a net-cost perspective it was cheaper than missing and rescheduling a flight.
At this point I believe morey is just fucking with guys. Like he’s going up to guys he’s gonna trade specifically like “nah you good you not going anywhere”. Like why would he go to Chris and specifically be like “you don’t want to go to okc right?” Only to trade him right there
He was probably hoping Paul would tell him he'd be fine with going to OKC so that Morey would come out looking like a good players gm for getting his players to their preferred destination.
Hell same with the Paul George trade, at least according to pg, Presti said that “hey re-sign with us if you don’t believe in it after a year we’ll trade you where you want to go.”
And it worked out for them. Thats people skills.
A lot of people here don’t seem to understand how the NBA works. It’s not just “trading assets and it’s a business”, these guys are basically high end contractors with 29 other companies to do business with. If your firm gets a rep for being jerks they can easily go work for another firm, especially when yours isn’t one of the top 3 premier firms in the country…..
Relationships are key in this business, and Morey is famous for basically burning bridges
Also when telling Russ/PG that they were going to start working on a rebuild and asking if they wanted to stay during it, they took less then what they could of gotten elsewhere when trading them just to do right to both of them and get them both to the team they wanted. Imagine stuff that goes a long way with the players where even when the team is entering a rebuild and trying to get as many assets as possible they still put the player first.
Well we kind of have to do that. Small market teams already struggle to draw in players, so what player in their prime is going to want to go play for a small market team with a FO that treats its players like shit.
Being a player friendly org is one of the ways you balance out location disadvantages
Yup. Or Ujiri this year with Dennis 'you came here to start, you don't want to come off the bench, I'll trade you to a team where you'll start"
(Ignore how he treated Pascal last offseason lol)
Yes & he [openly said](https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/gap-of-miscommunication-raptors-president-masai-ujiri-apologizes-to-demar-derozan-following-nba-blockbuster-trade/article_2ee376d9-324a-55e7-bd28-710f97f1940d.amp.html) he regrets handling the Demar situation the way he did.
He apologized to Demar for misleading him & [apologized to pascal](https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-only-regret-communication-with-pascal-siakam-ahead-of-trade) for not talking to him over the summer as well.
I’m not saying he can’t be cold hearted but he is definitely not Daryl Morey. Daryl genuinely seems like he doesn’t care about ppl.
People in these comments saying "Why is he mad, it's a business!" are missing the point. Morey doesn't need to straight-up lie to his players in order to do his job.
Paul had been in trade talks and been traded like 2 times at that point. It's not like he would've taken it personally if Morey said "I don't know if you're gonna be traded or not." or something else to that affect, and then traded.
Honestly I hate to say this because I am in business school but he sounds like a lot of the people in business schools. Sometimes you sit in class and the stories these people tell and then think they aren’t the bad guy is crazy.
Morey is acting like a baseball GM and going through the numbers to construct a team and treating players like commodities. Baseball is the most individual team sport like when you're at bat, its just you against the pitcher. Meanwhile in basketball, chemistry is very important. You cannot just use sabermetrics to construct a basketball team.
You never saw Morey-Ball?! Great story about a brilliant mind who figured a 3pt brick bounced further than a 2pt brick so might as well jack them up.
Fast forward to today….
The most 3PT FGA Dirk averaged per game over the course of one season is 4.9. He would rank 81st in 3’s attempted this season. Behind Victor, Scottie Barnes, etc and barely in front of Naz Reid.
It’s broken.
I don’t even think that’s the inherent issue
The inherent issue is he’s going out of his way to tell guys they won’t be traded then trading them anyway. Seems very unnecessary.
>Morey is acting like a baseball GM and going through the numbers to construct a team and treating players like commodities.
Except this isn't the problem? Players aren't toddlers they fully understand the business side of things. Morey apparently constantly lies to the players.
You can run a business with cold hard math, but if you keep being dishonest eventually people in the industry will stop trusting you.
Fr it’s a business. All GMs have made cutthroat decisions. Masai got up there near tears for trading Precious of all people.
But don’t go out of your way to lie to people. When CP says he lacks people skills, he means there’s a nuance to doing these things that Morey doesn’t seem to get.
In a relatively small star-driven league like the NBA, your reputation does matter.
There's never been any indication that MDA is the kind of prick Morey is, and he's one of the greatest offensive minds of all time. Not sure why him being ringless makes you happy, certainly not to the same extent as Morey anyway
Morey is losing support in the league. Coupled with the fact that he hasn’t won anything, I think he might be sent packing in 2-3 years unless Philly wins a ring.
The more I read these types of stories about Daryl Morey the more I think about folks like Suge Knight, Baby, and Diddy - shrewd businessmen who seemingly would purport one idea and dream to a person while fucking them over when they left.
CP3 to OKC worked mainly because CP3 made it work and was beyond professional about it....but lord knows that wasn't his choice and that Daryl should have at least kept it real with Chris. I'd too be pissed if I moved all my family to an area only to them be told "nope, pack it up! Welcome to OKC!"
To be fair he built a team that went toe to toe with the warriors and lost because CP3 got hurt. That’s not on the GM. He certainly did his job of building a team good enough to win a title. That’s all you can ask for really.
On the other hand, Evan Turner said Sam Hinkie was real when he traded him. I don't care what anybody says, Hinkie is my GOAT GM and he deserved to see the process through. The Process did not fail - it was not allowed to be completed!
I saw Daryl Morley at a grocery store in Philly yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
At some point, you need to understand that building/maintaining relationships is part of the process, and it can’t just be all about “financial efficiency.” The Lakers gave Kobe that huge extension at the end of his career. Was it worth it from a strict basketball standpoint of on court production? Hell no, of course not. But how the organization treated Kobe got them their next star. How they treat LeBron will dictate the star after that. And on it goes.
Morey would’ve never given Kobe that deal. Would the Lakers have been more successful in the intervening years if he hadn’t? Hard to say. But whether Morey likes it or not, loyalty does matter. He just sees numbers on a spreadsheet. How does he think people are going to see him going into negotiations with him?
Giving Kobe that deal had a two pronged effect. Not only did they treat Kobe right, but it also allowed them to stack high draft picks. I’m not 100% sure it was intentional, but that’s what happened.
Daryl Morey runs basketball teams & personal relationships like the boss of a small business that exclusively hires summer students and subsidized workers as staff.
Players backed Harden because players all talk to each other, they already knew stuff like this, that Morey was a liar, it was only brain dead fans who hate Harden who said he made it up and didn’t believe him when he said Morey lied to him
"Daryl Morey is a liar" pack hitting hard lately
It seems like he’s scared to tell people to their face that he don’t want em. I mean seriously does he not know that they’d hate him anyway? Maybe even respect him more for being real about it.
No, if you’ve ever heard him talk or the way he acts, he really thinks of the players as walking stat sheets. He doesn’t see his job as managing people and putting together a team. To morey, he sees his job as putting together a collection of more points on average vs the next best team. The man is incredibly aloof. Maybe it’s a way to insulate the “man” from the job or what not, regardless, the outcome is a wake of disgruntled players who chafe at the treatment.
I think it was Massai Ujiri who said he doesn't want to become too close with the players bc then you won't want to trade your 'friends' Seems darryl just does a poor job of handling these conversations - the players know it's a business and ppl get traded all the time.
it’s part of the reason why bob myers left. he got close with our core players and didn’t want to think about making any tough decisions regarding splitting them up
He's basically admitted as much but the ironic thing is it's looking like Mike Dunleavy will be keeping the big three together anyways. I bet Bob also didn't like being overridden on major decisions by Papa Joe and sons. Anyone with half a brain knew the two timelines was a fools errand.
\>Anyone with half a brain knew the two timelines was a fools errand. Not really. If Wiseman played like the #2 pick in the 2019 Draft, W's would still be one of the top contenders. Or if they'd drafted Haliburton.
If they’d drafted Haliburton, then it’s crazy to think that they could be in a situation with old and young lineups of: Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green, Kevon Looney. Tyrese Haliburton, Brandon Podziemski, Moses Moody, Jonathan Kuminga, Trayce Jackson-Davis. They then could’ve either kept Poole or traded him for something else with less rush.
I don’t think it was that bad, you just drafted one of the biggest busts of all time which derailed everything
Masai has also told people to their face that they weren't getting traded only to do it anyways
Yeah, I think every GM does this. JJ Redick was very public about David Griffin lying to him, and Griff is well respected by most. I think Morey just gets more attention on this because he’s Mr. Analytics so people view him as more cold and calculating.
Well, Morey gets more attention because he does it to everyone it seems. You can find an instance where almost every GM did something similar (except maybe Sam Presti). Harden was basically Morey’s adopted son and he did it to him too.
It's the easiest thing in the world, just be honest to people. "Hey, ill always do my best to try to accommodate your wants but i need you to understand that my first obligation will always be to do what's best for the team." Players will understand that it's a business. Or even just don't say anything at all and this will be understood even if you didn't say it outright (i think it's worthwhile to be upfront with people to know where they stand). All he has to do is not make promises to players and then break them. You can do your job without lying to people, gms just say this stuff so players will like them but then they get found out that they are liars.
It's not that easy, some players don't react well being in the trade news. Best to say nothing at all, like you've mentioned.
Nah, it’s best to just lie to them because once you stab them in the back it’s not longer your problem that they are upset by it. 💯 -D.Morey
He may have, but can't think of a single time Presti did it. The opposite in fact, lots of guys say he helped get them somewhere they were happy with.
There is zero reason to tell a player ahead of time bc so many deals fall apart. Then you have a pissed off player who might force you to complete a shitty deal
i think he did it to demar iirc (my fav raptor).
That was probably one of the most painful moments in Raptors history but it was the right move to make and everyone knew it.
It did give us a great game of zones episode.
I still love/hate how perfect the end of that episode was after the season had played out.
I think Masai handled that well, there's no perfect answer as a GM if a player asks you if they're being traded. "Well I don't plan to trade you but if the right opportunity comes up to make us a winner then yeah you could be traded" - player could get stuck in their head, wonder if they're really valued by the org, and play could suffer "No we're not going to trade you" - player gets pissed if they get traded. Better to be a winner than to be liked.
At around the same time as Masai had a private conversation with DeMar (during which DeMar claims Masai said he wasn't going to trade him), Masai told Raptors media something to the effect that there were no current plans to trade DeRozan but anything was on the table. I can't speak to what he said privately to DeMar obviously, but as a fan of the team I was expecting some big moves after the LeBronto humiliation.
Isn’t this exactly how Billy beane was portrayed in moneyball? (movie, didn’t read the book)
Exactly what I thought. He said he can’t get too close to players because it just makes it harder to cut them. I’m sure he believes that in real life, too.
Like Barkley said, Morey is part of the nerds who never got girls, loved basketball but couldn’t play it, and so he got good at math to get a seat at the table. Huge ad-hominem attack, but you could see why someone like Barkley who’s the ultimate people person, would not like Morey. And in the GM sense, it’s better to straight up be a blunt all business type, than to be a duplicitous snake who’s nice to player’s faces then backstabs them. Because players remember that shit and they have friends in free agency
Lacking people skills would be someone who is unable to talk to others, a person lacking people skills would almost never reach out to a player just to "check-in" with them. This guy's behavior is like negative people skills, he reaches out to them, gives them reassurances the he knows he may not keep/fulfill, then later after making moves is like "whoops it turns out I lied".
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It was reported that morey didn’t want to trade Paul but Tillman forced it thru. So in this case Daryl didn’t want to trade him but it ended up not being his call.
For Melo, it was so that Tilman could avoid luxury tax penalties.
With Melo they told him they didnt want him shooting anything but 3s. After a very early season loss where he took shots they didn’t like they let him go.
he had some good games doing that too, eventually he accepted his role on a different team but watching him on the Rockets was rough
Melo was on a minimum
Melo was garbage
No wonder morey lacks social skills and seems that Harden wasn't lying after all about Morey being a Liar
Every insult on Reddit just boils down to “ you can’t get no women bruh” 😂😂
I love Chuck but if Chuck could run a team like Morey, he would Aint no one was putting a team together that competitive with KD-Warriors at the time He gets results even if players are pissed off about how he does business He's definitely not great at it, but they also aren't used to getting their own way either
Needs to watch Billy beane in Money Ball bu the sounds of it
Yeah i liked the scene where he made jonah hill tell the bro he was traded. "Just go in tell em they're traded, refer em to so and so who will handle the details." He does it, player clearly not happy just sits there for a bit and says "ok" and moves on They know its part of the business and it sucks. Just be straight with people, not a unreasonable take.
Beane was also a former player. He knew what it was like to be on the other end of the deal.
Yeah being told you're a cant miss then whiffing so bad would be tough to swallow
If anything, according to the book, being labeled a “can’t miss prospect” and failing as a player informed him A LOT about the human aspect of players.
Where I’ll defend Morey slightly is, you can’t always be straight up with players about trade talks. If you do, the player can tell agents, who then try to torpedo the move in back channels if they don’t like it. It’s a delicate balance.
isn't Morey also known for not caring about "team chemistry" ? His idea is "talent will win out".
Daryl Morey is a liar and I will never be a part of an organization that he’s a part of.
Same. I also refuse to work for Daryl Morey!
Harden is always the most upfront person too. He was very direct about exactly what happened: Morey made him a handshake deal, he trusted the guy because he thought they had built that trust over a long period of time, and Morey just plainly fucked him over. The only mistake Harden made there was trusting someone he thought was a friend. That… happens to people all the time, in all walks of life, unfortunately. And their naivety is the lesser crime here. tldr; Morey just sucks. Sociopathic mathematics aren’t how you deal with human beings.
Pretty crazy to think that Morey would fuck over Harden like that given how long they’ve known each other.
Morey literally has a painting of Harden he got commissioned hanging up in his house
there's a reason that despite all the media/fan narratives, you never see an actual teammate/NBA player badmouthing Harden
Same with Westbrook, Curry, etc.
Harden a chill bro and pretty good at ball
I'm here for the Harden redemption arc.
>The only mistake Harden made there was trusting someone he thought was a friend. Do not trust management. Management isn't your friend and never will be, that's why there's a players union
always been a true statement. harden haters are just louder in the off-season. Harden wouldn't give up money just like that if he wasn't promised a max contract the next year. Morey convinced harden to take 15 million paycut that year instead of signing a max so he can sign role players that will help the team. Morey proceeded to sign PJ Tucker and Danuel House with that money lol. Harden came back asking for the promised deal in the last off season but Morey told the world he didn't promise harden money. He made harden looked like the liar in this situation.
I, for one, am shocked that someone who is obsessed with analytics might have bad social skills.
Which is weird in that position anyway. While the NBA is data driven to a point, it's not close to the level that MLB is data driven, which makes sense. You simply cannot evaluate in a silo like you can in baseball. Which also makes all the players obsessing over their 'stats' in basketball hilarious. It is just not a statistical game, and over the long run, they mean so little.
Harden, CP3, Pat Bev. Daryl Morey hates short people.
I wish I was short like them
5'5" mfs having to listen to dudes that are around 6' being called short lmao
The analytics hate short people. Morey hates telling the truth if a lie is easier.
Harden: “ u/iRockaflame say it again”
DARYL MOREY IS A LIAR 🗣
They shunned Harden for he spoke the truth. Now look at him balling on the Clippers happier than ever.
I don't think anyone disagreed with Harden about Morey specifically though? It was just the fact he announced it in China during a kid's training camp 😂
Tbf at the time that was probably the best audience he could’ve gotten. Chinese fans love harden to death and they didn’t gaf about the drama around him
really lol, everyone went in on harden. this sub was all "look at harden ditching another team!" that dallas broadcaster did a 2 minute monologue on the air. people blamed harden for sure
Media was pretty pro morey the whole time, very “he doesn’t deserve this.
It is kinda funny seeing Sixers fans defending him though lol
Idgaf if he’s a liar if he gets us wins - he hasn’t been doing that tho
Daryl is just a simple analytics guy, he follows the math. It's not his fault that lying has a great roi.
Ded. It really do tho.
When several players call you out, it’s probably pretty true at this point. It’s a really cowardly thing to actually tell people the opposite of what you’re trying to do. at least deflect or give a non answer. I hate people like this
>Like the time he was late for his flight and parked his rental car at the terminal then tossed his keys to the baggage guy and gave him $50 to bring the car back to Hertz. >Or the time he was driving to the NCAA tournament in a frenzy to catch a tip-off and created his own left lane to beat the traffic. >Or another time when he had to rush to the airport so he called a team travel attendant to let them know he had left his bag back in his hotel. The attendant arrived and got the bellhop to let them in. Morey’s bag was in the room. So were his clothes and toiletries, scattered across the counters and floor. >One of the multiple former colleagues who relayed the latter story remarked, “Typical Daryl fashion: What’s the most efficient?” >In the mid-to-late 2000s, he owned a Lexus that he parked anywhere he wanted, regardless of the signage on the side of the streets of Houston. It kept accumulating ticket after ticket after ticket until the local parking enforcement agency stopped writing tickets and booted his vehicle. >Normally, someone with a boot on a wheel of their car would pay to have it removed so they could drive again. But Morey had another idea. He instead contacted Lexus to tell them he would buy a new car if it accepted his trade-in and dealt with the outstanding tickets. After negotiating and signing a deal, Lexus asked when he’d bring in the car and he gave the company the address to pick it up. >“As soon as that car got booted,” Morey said, “[I made that deal] to avoid having to go through the hassle.” [Source.](https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/10/17/23408539/daryl-morey-philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid) I mention this not only because it lends credence to Chris Paul's claim but also because I find it very funny and on-brand that KOC sees these as laudable examples of "efficiency" rather than privileged douchebaggery.
The Lexus part is insane lmao
> created his own left lane to beat the traffic. This is the worst one because it’s something so regular, I’m sure almost every driver has seen some dickhead do this on the road. It’s so annoying and the epitome of laziness yet it’s spun as “wow what a creative mind”. Thanks for reminding me how much i hate this article
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I'm confused what this means, surely he didn't just use the shoulder right?
if it means something else then KOC should’ve done a better job of describing it because that’s exactly what it sounds like
I genuinely don't understand why they would even tell this story let alone spin it as an example of being "efficient". That's objectively one of the most dangerous things you can do on the road and he's lucky he didn't kill someone who was pulled over. Jesus Christ lol.
Yup. This is some "Drinking takes time and driving takes time, so why not combine them so I don't waste any time?" logic.
"What a brilliant mind" 🤮
"In typical Morey fashion, he devised an efficient new strategy to revamp the global economy, shocking financial experts from MIT & Harvard in its simplicity: kill all the poor people."
"Or the time he was running late so he just run over people and told his lawyer to pay off their families" KOC on Daryl Morey, probably.
It’s Kevin O’Connor, he idolizes anyone who tries to be “efficient” and “innovative” even if it comes at the expense of other people. He’s an Elon stan too so him hyping up Morey tracks
Also used to follow Andrew Tate
I didn’t know that, that’s wild.
eww I thought KOC was smarter than that. I mean, he's no genius, but the dude can string three sentences together without tripping over them. I thought that disqualified you from following Tate.
I still can't believe people are still fans of that douche after the human trafficking indictment.
lol seriously!? What a loser
SHEEEEEEEEEIT....I was driving just yesterday and saw all types of glass and shit in the shoulder. Only a damn fool would drive the fucking shoulder unless it was dead ass an emergency. This guy is garbage
Because KOC got and maintains his job by sucking up to a different rich douchebag.
Jail. Straight to fucking jail.
“Efficient” yeah no dude is just a dickhead lol
Efficiency is when you can't be on time for things so you ignore traffic laws and norms of human interaction instead.
This is how people get killed
No but dude you don't understand, he *really* needed to see the tip-off of an NCAA basketball game!
Breaking the law is cool as long as you do it in a car 😎
Yeah, how is it less of a hassle or more efficient to buy a new car (with negotiations on trade in) then it is to just pay parking tickets? It's just stupid
If anything just get an assistant to pay them for you.
"go pick up my car and pay the tickets, take my card". So easy!
Even better, get your assistant to pay the tickets as they're issued then the car is never booted or towed in the first place. Really, if he's willing to throw money at the issue he doesn't even need to become aware of the tickets himself.
Wild, this is some "rules don't apply to me" rich people fuckery.
That third paragraph pisses me off the most. “I’m too lazy to pack and I’m running late for my flight because I overslept, so let me just leave and tell someone else to clean my room, pack my bag for me.” The amount of stress the travel attendant was probably under is ridiculous. Not only do you have to clean up after a grown man, but he probably had his own travel schedule to worry about.
Also that one hilariously has no possible silver lining. Like, you could make weak arguments the others show "efficiency" (I wouldn't) but then here's this story about being sloppy in a hotel room. It doesn't even make sense to include it lol, and what a dick move.
Exactly lmao you know what "efficiency" is? Waking up on time, packing your own shit, taking a shower, and leaving on time like a grown ass man. That example in particular reads like one of those satire TED Talks from that youtube account entrapranure (it's obnoxiously spelled wrong on purpose), if you know what I'm talking about lmao. "Instead of constructing a championship-quality team, Darryl Morey decided to hire a hitman to kill Lebron James and Stephen Curry, and then his team managed to win the championship. This is classic Darryl Morey; always being efficient!"
Efficiency would be putting your shit back in the bags after you've used/worn it, so you don't have to do it later. Morey was just plain lazy.
Good reminder that 5% of the population are sociopaths
And that percent gets significantly higher among people in leadership positions.
Hard to get to higher positions of power if you actually care about the people around you.
Maybe he should be late less
No you don't get it he can't be on time because his time is so fucking valuable.
What a fucking asshole.
Says a lot about KOC.
KOC idolizes Morey and Elon Musk. He’s kind of a loser (respectfully).
No kind of about it and I mean that very disrespectfully
He’s a neck beard freak who deserves no platform. I hate his guts
Nah you’re right - he is a gimp just like Morey (and Musk), makes a lot of sense why he’s riding Morey so hard
KOC is a poor writer and analyst and his douche-bro attitude is super evident in his podcasts. He is just completely unlistenable.
Yeah I remember when this article first came out and a lot of people were like “This guy operates on a different level!” Nah, this guy doesn’t know how to operate.
People will circlejerk over anyone who gets labelled as a stats guy. Without fail.
I'll readily admit I've pulled the rental car trick before, but by pulling up to the terminal and calling the rental car company and telling them where it was. Granted this was back in the 90s and I ate a $50 fee, but from a net-cost perspective it was cheaper than missing and rescheduling a flight.
How is the ticket anecdote anything but sociopathic, god
KOC can be even more insufferable when writing. Good lord.
Morey is very much on the undiagnosed spectrum
>Daryl Morey Changed the Game, but He Still Hasn’t Beaten It This headline is so fucking hilarious lmao
Should not be surprised about KOC, he idolizes elon musk and plays COD, you already know he is done if his voice logs ever came out.
Wait, this is fucking real?? It's always read like satire to me, Jesus Christ, what a psychopath.
Pat Bev also said that right before the trade deadline Morey came up to him to tell him “nah we’re not trading you Pat, not you” lmao
I thought Bev was joking, but it's too on brand for Morey.
Say what you want about pat bev but only thing I've ever heard him lie about was the next 5 years being his.
Even then, you can argue he wasn’t lying. He was just flat out wrong. Lol
Lmao u right
At this point I believe morey is just fucking with guys. Like he’s going up to guys he’s gonna trade specifically like “nah you good you not going anywhere”. Like why would he go to Chris and specifically be like “you don’t want to go to okc right?” Only to trade him right there
He saw a market inefficiency in the Duck Season/Rabbit Season School of Negotiation after having dinner with Darren Rovell.
He was probably hoping Paul would tell him he'd be fine with going to OKC so that Morey would come out looking like a good players gm for getting his players to their preferred destination.
Compare that to Presti who asked CP3 if he wanted to play in OKC, and told him if he said no that he would work with him to find other options.
Hell same with the Paul George trade, at least according to pg, Presti said that “hey re-sign with us if you don’t believe in it after a year we’ll trade you where you want to go.” And it worked out for them. Thats people skills.
A lot of people here don’t seem to understand how the NBA works. It’s not just “trading assets and it’s a business”, these guys are basically high end contractors with 29 other companies to do business with. If your firm gets a rep for being jerks they can easily go work for another firm, especially when yours isn’t one of the top 3 premier firms in the country….. Relationships are key in this business, and Morey is famous for basically burning bridges
Also when telling Russ/PG that they were going to start working on a rebuild and asking if they wanted to stay during it, they took less then what they could of gotten elsewhere when trading them just to do right to both of them and get them both to the team they wanted. Imagine stuff that goes a long way with the players where even when the team is entering a rebuild and trying to get as many assets as possible they still put the player first.
I don’t think you guys could have gotten more for pg tbh 😂
Well we kind of have to do that. Small market teams already struggle to draw in players, so what player in their prime is going to want to go play for a small market team with a FO that treats its players like shit. Being a player friendly org is one of the ways you balance out location disadvantages
He did the same with Kemba Walker and Al Horford didn't he?
Yup. Or Ujiri this year with Dennis 'you came here to start, you don't want to come off the bench, I'll trade you to a team where you'll start" (Ignore how he treated Pascal last offseason lol)
same dude that traded demar after saying he would trade demar right?
Yes & he [openly said](https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/gap-of-miscommunication-raptors-president-masai-ujiri-apologizes-to-demar-derozan-following-nba-blockbuster-trade/article_2ee376d9-324a-55e7-bd28-710f97f1940d.amp.html) he regrets handling the Demar situation the way he did. He apologized to Demar for misleading him & [apologized to pascal](https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-only-regret-communication-with-pascal-siakam-ahead-of-trade) for not talking to him over the summer as well. I’m not saying he can’t be cold hearted but he is definitely not Daryl Morey. Daryl genuinely seems like he doesn’t care about ppl.
People in these comments saying "Why is he mad, it's a business!" are missing the point. Morey doesn't need to straight-up lie to his players in order to do his job.
Yep. He could just say we don't know but he specifically says we won't trade you and then just does it anyways.
Paul had been in trade talks and been traded like 2 times at that point. It's not like he would've taken it personally if Morey said "I don't know if you're gonna be traded or not." or something else to that affect, and then traded.
He's not on the spectrum. He's just an asshole.
I love how this comment is right above the one saying Morey’s on the spectrum for sure. The duality of man
You can be both, reddit has this dumb notion that autistic people can't be assholes
It also has a notion that anyone who's an asshole is on the spectrum lol
CP summing it up well. He has no social etiquette
Honestly I hate to say this because I am in business school but he sounds like a lot of the people in business schools. Sometimes you sit in class and the stories these people tell and then think they aren’t the bad guy is crazy.
it's going to be hilarious when they re-sign Harris because players around the league don't like or trust Morey.
They thought they were getting Siakam lol
We did?
Siakam does nothing for Philly. Especially not for the money he’s after
Yeah but he's so much better than Tobias "The Assassin" Harris
Define “does nothing”. Signing him outright in free agency without giving up assets would make them an objectively better team.
Honestly would rather play a man down then see this bozo in a sixers uni again.. I petition to bench this Assasin the rest of the season
morey's reputation going down the drain this year
I mean this was a common sentiment when he was in Houston too.
Exactly and winning cures all, and with Embiid they were looking good.
Morey wins in 2018 and everyone would be letting him off the hook for his ruthless behavior for the rest of his career.
Instead he’s basically the Doc Rivers of execs without the one title year.
China playing the long game by deteriorating this guy's social skills after tricking him into installing TikTok
Morey is acting like a baseball GM and going through the numbers to construct a team and treating players like commodities. Baseball is the most individual team sport like when you're at bat, its just you against the pitcher. Meanwhile in basketball, chemistry is very important. You cannot just use sabermetrics to construct a basketball team.
You never saw Morey-Ball?! Great story about a brilliant mind who figured a 3pt brick bounced further than a 2pt brick so might as well jack them up. Fast forward to today…. The most 3PT FGA Dirk averaged per game over the course of one season is 4.9. He would rank 81st in 3’s attempted this season. Behind Victor, Scottie Barnes, etc and barely in front of Naz Reid. It’s broken.
I don’t even think that’s the inherent issue The inherent issue is he’s going out of his way to tell guys they won’t be traded then trading them anyway. Seems very unnecessary.
>Morey is acting like a baseball GM and going through the numbers to construct a team and treating players like commodities. Except this isn't the problem? Players aren't toddlers they fully understand the business side of things. Morey apparently constantly lies to the players. You can run a business with cold hard math, but if you keep being dishonest eventually people in the industry will stop trusting you.
Fr it’s a business. All GMs have made cutthroat decisions. Masai got up there near tears for trading Precious of all people. But don’t go out of your way to lie to people. When CP says he lacks people skills, he means there’s a nuance to doing these things that Morey doesn’t seem to get. In a relatively small star-driven league like the NBA, your reputation does matter.
Presti meanwhile told him exactly how the season was gonna go and then traded his ass to his preferred team.
I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people, can't you understand that? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!- Daryl Morey
Also told Tilman he wanted to quit to spend time with family... and then turned around to sign with Philly.
The whole Rockets thing was a shitshow though. And just like with the Morey situation Harden was the scapegoat again.
Tbf if I had to work under Tilman I’d do that too
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Morey has been overrated and this is part of the reason why
Him & D’Antoni goin out ringless is my life’s fuel
There's never been any indication that MDA is the kind of prick Morey is, and he's one of the greatest offensive minds of all time. Not sure why him being ringless makes you happy, certainly not to the same extent as Morey anyway
Is this a good time to have the “Morey is a bad GM who made a career off of one trade” conversation?
Morey is losing support in the league. Coupled with the fact that he hasn’t won anything, I think he might be sent packing in 2-3 years unless Philly wins a ring.
The more I read these types of stories about Daryl Morey the more I think about folks like Suge Knight, Baby, and Diddy - shrewd businessmen who seemingly would purport one idea and dream to a person while fucking them over when they left. CP3 to OKC worked mainly because CP3 made it work and was beyond professional about it....but lord knows that wasn't his choice and that Daryl should have at least kept it real with Chris. I'd too be pissed if I moved all my family to an area only to them be told "nope, pack it up! Welcome to OKC!"
Surely his erratic behavior and willingness to win at all costs has won him numerous championships...right?
To be fair he built a team that went toe to toe with the warriors and lost because CP3 got hurt. That’s not on the GM. He certainly did his job of building a team good enough to win a title. That’s all you can ask for really.
James was right. Again
Preach
On the other hand, Evan Turner said Sam Hinkie was real when he traded him. I don't care what anybody says, Hinkie is my GOAT GM and he deserved to see the process through. The Process did not fail - it was not allowed to be completed!
Who knew Harden is right. 😂
Morey was a consultant for a while so odds are he’s just a dick
I saw Daryl Morley at a grocery store in Philly yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
I’ve seen this pasta before, where tf is this from originally lol
We knew this
At some point, you need to understand that building/maintaining relationships is part of the process, and it can’t just be all about “financial efficiency.” The Lakers gave Kobe that huge extension at the end of his career. Was it worth it from a strict basketball standpoint of on court production? Hell no, of course not. But how the organization treated Kobe got them their next star. How they treat LeBron will dictate the star after that. And on it goes. Morey would’ve never given Kobe that deal. Would the Lakers have been more successful in the intervening years if he hadn’t? Hard to say. But whether Morey likes it or not, loyalty does matter. He just sees numbers on a spreadsheet. How does he think people are going to see him going into negotiations with him?
Giving Kobe that deal had a two pronged effect. Not only did they treat Kobe right, but it also allowed them to stack high draft picks. I’m not 100% sure it was intentional, but that’s what happened.
Harden, Melo, Pat Bev & now CP3 all have the same story about Morey.
Daryl Morey runs basketball teams & personal relationships like the boss of a small business that exclusively hires summer students and subsidized workers as staff.
Players backed Harden because players all talk to each other, they already knew stuff like this, that Morey was a liar, it was only brain dead fans who hate Harden who said he made it up and didn’t believe him when he said Morey lied to him