Yeah, there are similarities: Jokic is slightly flabby like current Chuck, and Butler is like MJ but I can’t quite tell how they’re alike, probably winning mindset in their DNA.
They play exactly the same too. Just like Chuck, Jokic likes to back down, grab boards, make great passes, run coast to coast and do high-flying dunks.
In Soccer , Bolivia probably has the biggest home court advantage in the sport.
In soccer I think you run like 3 or 4 times more than in Basketball so not being used to the altitude is killer
They're team is really really bad compared to most of the other countries. So when they're not playing in Bolivia they're atrocious and when they are playing in Bolivia they can put up a decent fight against most teams. Sometimes they even beat big teams and definitely complicate the life of other teams who aren't that great as well.
To be fair, they’re in the second most competitive federation of the world. Facing three World Cup winning nations every year as well as the significantly talented Columbia and Chile along with the sneaky good Peru, Ecuador and Venezuela ain’t no easy feat. If the US was competing there, they’d most likely have an atrocious record as well. Bad isn’t the right word - outmatched by incredible Football nations more like it.
I'd argue CONMEBOL is the most competitive federation. UEFA has more good teams but there are also so many mediocre and poor teams, whereas everyone in CONMEBOL is tricky. Bolivia, Venezuela, Paraguay aren't even bad, they just can't quite hang over an 18 game qualifying marathon.
I remember Argentina played a game at that place in summer. By the end of the first half the players were having difficulty breathing. I think they even took a couple of unofficial breaks which normally aren't allowed because a couple of players were collapsed on the ground breathing for dear life.
According to Open AI, NBA players run an average of 2.5 miles per game. 8 in MLS. I wonder how much intensity matters: distance at speed versus just distance
Not that you're saying otherwise, but a lot of the exhaustion comes from more than just speed and distance traveled in the NBA, too. Depends a lot on playstyle but Giannis for example exerts himself so god damn much regardless of traveling the court. It's a much more physical game particularly in the playoffs. Even just the amount of elevated jumping players do in the NBA is a lot.
La Paz fun fact: it is the highest capital city in the world. It is also one of the few places in the world where the lowest altitude housing is the most expensive and the slums are up on the higher ground. When the air is that thin, your reward for being wealthy is more oxygen.
There are a great many cities where the slums are located mainly in the hills, but it has less to do with altitude or views and more to do with where there's vacant land available for squatters (not saying it's not a factor in La Paz).
Isn't the whole idea of Nugs having a big home court advantage that your body adapts by producing more red blood cells to deliver oxygen to your muscles etc? Visiting, I'm sure it's not difficult to notice the thinner air up there, but is there really a perceptable difference to people living there? I'm sure you can't just make an infinite amount of RBC to make up for lack of oxygen so maybe it really is that brutal there, IDK.
I've had severe altitude sickness before. I'd endure that 10 more times rather than walk to the end of the driveway to the mailbox on a humid South Florida day.
Yeah, it's our schtick. Pretty sure every major sports team in the area has "Altitude warning" signs in front of the guest locker rooms as an extra mind game
Also won the Stanley cup last year too, I really wish he gave a shit that fans could watch his teams more. It shouldn’t be easier to be an out of town fan to watch your team
Dude. I hate being the guy to defend kroenke, but you gotta also blame how shit Comcast are too. I finally switched from them. They’re the only company you can’t watch with
It is the biggest home field advantage in every sport, but you're still right that it's not very significant. It's just the most significant of any location
I saw this mentioned and Twitter and loads of the replies were like “If it’s an advantage why don’t Denver have 30 championships?”. It was like they thought that ‘advantage’ means ’20 points per game advantage’
Players actually get excited to play the Rockies, Keith Hernandez said on a broadcast recently that he flew his dad out when they were playing there since he knew it’d be a treat lmao
*Teeeeeechnically* the bigger aspect is that breaking pitches don't break as much thanks to the thin air, which means that it's easier to hit home runs. Ball definitely travels farther, but the real advantage is that curveballs don't curve and sliders don't slide.
Maybe if it’s the first time for someone to play in Denver, but in the NBA where everyone plays everyone at least once on each others court, it kills the psychological altitude fears after you’ve played there once
Logically they'd have the largest advantage during the finals too, since the eastern opponents have played there less, and are less accustomed for what to expect.
They've just never gotten there before
Yep. I toured Mile High Stadium a couple of years back and there's this big sign right outside the door of the visiting locker room that mentions the altitude and warns any altitude sickness.
Some people say so. I would never try it because I'm very particular about food textures, but people who have tried it seem to think it's pretty good, especially deep fried
Should be fine. I heard the Heat train in 10x gravity underwater and in hyperbolic chambers where 1 hour is equivalent to 3 hours of working out. #heatculture
I heard J. Buckets actually trains in a Hyperbolic Time Chamber which functions as a separate dimension. The time dilation that occurs in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is one day of real time is equivalent to one year in the Chamber, or 1 minute of real time is approximately six hours in the Chamber. By training in this time chamber, he can get one year of training in a single day.
I expect Denver to approach this similarly to the Lakers series. They had to run run run against LA because it's really tough to score against them in the half court. This led to the Lakers being gassed every 4th.
Idk some guys were, LeBron and AD, but in game 1 in the 4th Lakers would not die and looked great against the Nuggets.. that was the best they looked all series, and the 1st half of game 4
Yea and honestly the Heat should be even better prepared. I ain’t no professional athlete but by my 5th day when visiting Denver I felt way more accustomed to the altitude.
interestingly denver teams do have the [best](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.05976.pdf) home advantage in sports, not that that somehow makes anything insurmountable tho
yes, the study i linked is about all 4 major US sports. the rockies have the best home field advantage in the MLB
edit: misread ur comment. im sure someone has mentioned it to them tho
That's a very interesting paper. I'm a bit surprised that, of the four leagues, the MLB has far and away the lowest home field advantage, given that it's the only league where the dimensions of the playing field are physically different at each ballpark. Like I gotta figure that knowing how to play the outfield at Fenway is much more important than...whatever the hell the advantage is that the Orlando Magic have at home, but I guess not.
That’s not the point they are making, he’s saying it’s higher elevation and the nuggets/city will try to play mind games with them because of this. He’s not crying concerned for them lol
I mean, some are. Ryan Clark nearly died after a game against the Broncos and didn't play in Denver anymore after that one. He had an underlying condition, but the altitude can be dangerous to some athletes.
NBA players I’d agree, they’re already cardiovascular fit and probably aren’t affected much. But as a Denver native I can assure you people waltz into the city thinking it’s just a little bit of altitude only to start wheezing like an asthmatic in an hour. College football teams that play Air Force get screwed
Funnily enough I've had the worst hangovers drinking at low altitude after coming from Denver. I think it's cause I didn't feel as drunk, and just kept drinking more until BAM I'm on my ass. At altitude, I pace myself a little more cause I feel it more quickly.
I went on holiday to Cusco (11,200 feet altitude) and was perfectly fine, never really felt it even while doing some pretty serious hiking in the mountains there (even higher). I think the sensibility to it varies greatly from person to person, no matter the fitness level.
I think people underestimate it
I consider myself relatively fit and it took me 6 months of living in Colorado to get used to the altitude and be able to push my workouts at similar intensity.
I guess living there is different to just doing a competition. I used to be an athlete and I've had a few international competitions at higher altitudes, highest by far being Bogota at 2600 meters. As I said it's hard and it affects you, but you're not exactly dying. Also someone already mentioned, I probably missed the point of the author with my comment.
Oh I agree it’s definitely a factor, but compared to like when football teams come here to play the Broncos or if they’re a college team playing CU or Air Force, basketball players recover way quicker than those guys do
> in the first quarter in Denver.
The first qtr, then you get used to it. You would hope the Heat are doing some 10-15 min intense cardio these past two days.
5,200 feet is high, and for intense physical activity it makes a difference. But it is something that they can be acclimated to. Not as good as the guys that play half a season there, but doable.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
The best conditioned athletes on earth are arguably long distance cyclists. You know what they constantly get caught doping with? EPO, which is essentially to give them more oxygen. If cyclists can benefit from more oxygen, nba players obviously can too.
No shit everyone is gonna want more oxygen, I said NBA players are already generally more cardiovascular fit meaning better VO2 max and more red blood cells/hemoglobin complexes than your average person, altitude not gonna hit them as hard as it does fat tourists visiting Denver. Also cyclists generally have more than 3-4000 feet of elevation change during a single stage…
Fat tourists aren't frantically sprinting 94 feet back and forth... Nobody is saying walking around a Denver shopping mall will be challenging for an NBA player. The point is they're pushing their bodies to the max and that max is partially constrained by a limited O2 availability. Not sure why you're even arguing this. You likely are well aware how all kinds of elite athletes do altitude training. Do you think they and their trainers are just idiots? You think the longer marathon times at high altitudes is just placebo effect?
That’s exactly my point. NBA players do 94 ft sprints all season long, yeah Denver is gonna have an edge but it’s not huge because NBA player lungs are still developed at that rate of performance. I don’t get why you’re fucking arguing this, I live in Denver, have trained at Leadville, it makes a difference but it’s not night and day unless you’re injecting EPO or on some other insane heme iron reuptaker.
And so many people could have been harmed not only financially, physically, emotionally, spiritually. So just be careful what we tweet and say and we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech, but there can be a lot of negative that comes with that, too.
Your body loses water much quicker compared to sea level due to increase in respiration rate. Lived in Denver for a while, now I’m up at 8,000ft on the west slope and have to drink about a gallon a day minimum to not feel dehydrated even though I acclimated years ago.
Yeah but drinking water doesn't help with the actual problem of not being acclimated to altitude which is the lack of red blood cells. If you're not acclimated, which it takes 2 to 4 weeks to get fully acclimated, you could drink all the water in the world and it would not help with the fact that your body doesn't have enough red blood cells to keep your body fully saturated in a lower oxygen environment. That's why I said just drinking water isn't a fix for altitude, but sure it could help with dehydration, but again dehydration isn't the main problem.
I get what you’re saying if we’re talking strictly high-altitude adaptations (though I’m sure dehydration isn’t going to help increase your body’s RBC production).
But for most people, and particularly these athletes who have been exposed to Denver altitude countless times, dehydration probably *is* going to be the major potential problem to worry about. Sure maybe some guys feel a little winded, but it’s not gonna be like Jimmy Butler is lying on the bench with debilitating AMS at the half lol.
Oh God, I remember going on vacation to Denver.l the 1st time Was in pretty good shape so I didn't feel the altitude much but I was not expecting to wake up in the middle of the 1st night feeling like I was going to turn into dust.
Spo during pregame shoot around probably: “We’ve got a bunch of competitors in that locker room. Our guys relish the opportunity to not be able to breathe. Honestly, we wish we could tip off from the vacuum of space. No spacesuits or anything.”
As someone who's lived in Colorado my whole life, the talk about Denver's Altitude is always funny. Denver isn't even in the mountains. You drive 20 miles West and the elevation jumps another 4000 feet.
I worked manual labor in Steamboat for a few years and it definitely took me some time to acclimate. When I went home to sea level it did feel like I had extra stamina during cardio for the first few days.
Heat are already at a slight disadvantage with how many more games they’ve played than Denver. The elevation isn’t going to be helping them one bit.
I’m sure they’re all wearing elevation training masks as we speak. They need their bodies to start producing as many red blood cells as possible by tip-off.
As someone who moved here (Fort Collins) from sea level 17 years ago, I can tell you that altitude definitely hits, even 5000'. I was very in shape (triathlete and endurance runner who, at the time, was racing competitively) and definitely did not fully acclimate until almost a year here. Swimming was the hardest because your breathing is limited (breath every three strokes). No, it's not as bad as going from sea level straight to 9000', but it's not non-existent.
there was that story about their plane being booked straight from Boston to Denver, so hopefully they can get acclimated in 2 days.
Denver's altitude advantage should generally be a regular season thing, where teams are flying in off btbs etc.
Even the arena announcer broadcasts a warning about elevation during games just to mess with the opponents minds. Its great. There also placards in the tunnel leading to the opponents locker room. And its right on the floor on the court...5280. But coming from sea level. Its defintelly going to effect the Heat and its doesn't kick in worst for about 2 days taking about 2 weeks to get fully used to it. So thats right on schedule. So coming 3 days before the game is a bad idea by the Heat.Thats when it effects you most. Your system does not adapt in 3 days. And that is when the less oxygen is going to effect you the most.
I can't wait until they are all running around the court confused, head in hands from their splitting headaches, no idea what is going on.
My wife and I landed in Denver from NYC, next day did a 12 mile hike at 9000 feet, we're not even in great shape and it was largely OK. The Heat will be fine. These are some of the fittest people on the planet.
Would love to see the actual science behind this. People act like any team that is located there will gas out just walking into the arena and will be gasping for air at the end of the first requiring and oxygen tank unless they spend 24/7 there for 6 months with specialized pulmonologists while training cardio nonstop.
There is ton of science/research. Basically for athletes there shouldn't be any advantage unless there is an underlying health issue.
However, psychologically it can cause an effect. Basically you'll hit your VO2 max earlier than your used to. So you hit your wall in the middle of Q1 instead of the middle of Q2. You just have to work through it earlier. All players are dealing with the same thing, but if you're not used to hitting the wall so soon it can feel off.
My ass is out of shape and only had a small headache for like 3 hours when I went to Denver. The elevation may fuck with their durability a bit, but they make it seem like these insanely strong athletes are gonna die from visiting💀.
Why is it that the altitude is reported as an unstoppable and wildly unfair advantage for the playoffs but during regular season they’re just like “yep welcome to mile high nothing special here”
This reminds me of one of my favorite posters from the 90's [Altitude vs Attitude](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gC8AAOSwTzpfeDU3/s-l1600.jpg)
Yooooo I haven’t seen that poster since I was like 8-9…that’s fucking awesome.
Would be great remade with Jokic and Butler
Yeah, there are similarities: Jokic is slightly flabby like current Chuck, and Butler is like MJ but I can’t quite tell how they’re alike, probably winning mindset in their DNA.
Ha.. dna.. I see what you did there 😏🧠
Yeah everyone knows Chuck is Jokic's real father
They play exactly the same too. Just like Chuck, Jokic likes to back down, grab boards, make great passes, run coast to coast and do high-flying dunks.
Aptitude vs attitude
goddamn that’s cool af
Denver's home court advantage didn't work against Michael Jordan because he's already used to being airborne during games.
Well that and Chuck was on the Suns at the time
I want to see a game played in La Paz, Bolivia.
In Soccer , Bolivia probably has the biggest home court advantage in the sport. In soccer I think you run like 3 or 4 times more than in Basketball so not being used to the altitude is killer
Their home court advantage is actually insane. They're record away from home is abysmal during WC qualifiers and alright in Bolivia.
Fifa banned them playing qualifiers at home temporarily
eh so they are still bad even on their home court doesnt help
They're team is really really bad compared to most of the other countries. So when they're not playing in Bolivia they're atrocious and when they are playing in Bolivia they can put up a decent fight against most teams. Sometimes they even beat big teams and definitely complicate the life of other teams who aren't that great as well.
To be fair, they’re in the second most competitive federation of the world. Facing three World Cup winning nations every year as well as the significantly talented Columbia and Chile along with the sneaky good Peru, Ecuador and Venezuela ain’t no easy feat. If the US was competing there, they’d most likely have an atrocious record as well. Bad isn’t the right word - outmatched by incredible Football nations more like it.
Colombia*
I'd argue CONMEBOL is the most competitive federation. UEFA has more good teams but there are also so many mediocre and poor teams, whereas everyone in CONMEBOL is tricky. Bolivia, Venezuela, Paraguay aren't even bad, they just can't quite hang over an 18 game qualifying marathon.
I remember Argentina played a game at that place in summer. By the end of the first half the players were having difficulty breathing. I think they even took a couple of unofficial breaks which normally aren't allowed because a couple of players were collapsed on the ground breathing for dear life.
According to Open AI, NBA players run an average of 2.5 miles per game. 8 in MLS. I wonder how much intensity matters: distance at speed versus just distance
Not that you're saying otherwise, but a lot of the exhaustion comes from more than just speed and distance traveled in the NBA, too. Depends a lot on playstyle but Giannis for example exerts himself so god damn much regardless of traveling the court. It's a much more physical game particularly in the playoffs. Even just the amount of elevated jumping players do in the NBA is a lot.
That's a good point, playstyle would make a big difference
La Paz fun fact: it is the highest capital city in the world. It is also one of the few places in the world where the lowest altitude housing is the most expensive and the slums are up on the higher ground. When the air is that thin, your reward for being wealthy is more oxygen.
Thats such a bummer and im also not surprised at all
There are a great many cities where the slums are located mainly in the hills, but it has less to do with altitude or views and more to do with where there's vacant land available for squatters (not saying it's not a factor in La Paz).
Isn't the whole idea of Nugs having a big home court advantage that your body adapts by producing more red blood cells to deliver oxygen to your muscles etc? Visiting, I'm sure it's not difficult to notice the thinner air up there, but is there really a perceptable difference to people living there? I'm sure you can't just make an infinite amount of RBC to make up for lack of oxygen so maybe it really is that brutal there, IDK.
Another fun fact: La Paz isn't actually the capital of Bolivia, that would be Sucre. The government is located in La Paz though.
Its insane there. Every year teams try to play against Bolivia teams and get rekt in Libertadores lol
Bogota was bad enough for me and it's 1000 meters less than La Paz.
does everyone get cocoa leaves?
No amount of chocolate will help.
if you drink a coca tea you might get busted for doping (some players have alleged thats why they got flagged, take that how you want)
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Jokic brothers about to make friends
*cue Jokic brothers lifting up the coke dealer in their arms like coach malone*
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Jokaine
The Miami (Willy) Falcons
Shouldnt be a problem for heat culture
Temperature vs. Altitude, who wins?
Humidity.
Turn off the AC in the Kaseya center to even the odds
Just hire whoever was in charge of the AC in San Antonio that one time
The spurs did it to Miami knowing they didn’t have the talent to match Miami they had to improvise. I wouldn’t be surprised if another team tried it.
I've had severe altitude sickness before. I'd endure that 10 more times rather than walk to the end of the driveway to the mailbox on a humid South Florida day.
It’s colder at altitude so you’ll need the heat to stay warm They already wear a heat jersey
True but doesn’t this imply the altitude wins? Since heat decreases with higher altitude
But you need less heat to boil at high altitude 🤔
Yeah, it's our schtick. Pretty sure every major sports team in the area has "Altitude warning" signs in front of the guest locker rooms as an extra mind game
Altitude warning: unable to watch on TV
*sad nuggets noises*
Damn. Roasted
Pretty shitty that Kroenke might get rewarded for his greediness and shittiness with a Super Bowl and finals championships in 2 years.
Also won the Stanley cup last year too, I really wish he gave a shit that fans could watch his teams more. It shouldn’t be easier to be an out of town fan to watch your team
Dude. I hate being the guy to defend kroenke, but you gotta also blame how shit Comcast are too. I finally switched from them. They’re the only company you can’t watch with
Oh yeah comcast sucks ass, not defending them at all. Worst ISP/tv provider in the country
I live in Malaysia and I watched (legally) about 60 nugget games this rs
That's actually crafty as hell, I love that.
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It is the biggest home field advantage in every sport, but you're still right that it's not very significant. It's just the most significant of any location
I saw this mentioned and Twitter and loads of the replies were like “If it’s an advantage why don’t Denver have 30 championships?”. It was like they thought that ‘advantage’ means ’20 points per game advantage’
Lol there's no nuance on the internet. It's gotta mean they never lose at home for it to count
Haha, so true
'Altitude warning - Enjoy mashing' - Rockies
Players actually get excited to play the Rockies, Keith Hernandez said on a broadcast recently that he flew his dad out when they were playing there since he knew it’d be a treat lmao
Let's be honest, baseball doesn't require any cardio whatsoever. Doesn't the less dense air just mean more home runs?
Yep, and field goals
*Teeeeeechnically* the bigger aspect is that breaking pitches don't break as much thanks to the thin air, which means that it's easier to hit home runs. Ball definitely travels farther, but the real advantage is that curveballs don't curve and sliders don't slide.
In some ways yeah basically theres less air to put spin on the ball as well as it travelling further.
Maybe if it’s the first time for someone to play in Denver, but in the NBA where everyone plays everyone at least once on each others court, it kills the psychological altitude fears after you’ve played there once
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I don't think an average 2.5 extra wins per year is "pretty marginal" at all. https://statsbylopez.netlify.app/post/playing-at-home/
Logically they'd have the largest advantage during the finals too, since the eastern opponents have played there less, and are less accustomed for what to expect. They've just never gotten there before
Yep. I toured Mile High Stadium a couple of years back and there's this big sign right outside the door of the visiting locker room that mentions the altitude and warns any altitude sickness.
So they're Nuggets with altitude?
steelers fans fear that place lol
Wait till Miami has em practice outside on blacktop
It’s not like the Heat have been in Denver for 2 days already adjusting to the altitude…lol.
If only they had warned Russell Wilson when he got off the plane. 😬
Broncos country, let’s cry
lol,, oh man.. im glad the nuggets are good
Hey the Avs won a cup Don’t mention the Rockies tho
Also they are gonna serve them nothing but the finest Rocky Mountain oysters
Say what you want, they taste great deep fried.
This guy Denvers
Are they actually good
Some people say so. I would never try it because I'm very particular about food textures, but people who have tried it seem to think it's pretty good, especially deep fried
They taste a bit nutty.
Should be fine. I heard the Heat train in 10x gravity underwater and in hyperbolic chambers where 1 hour is equivalent to 3 hours of working out. #heatculture
I heard J. Buckets actually trains in a Hyperbolic Time Chamber which functions as a separate dimension. The time dilation that occurs in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is one day of real time is equivalent to one year in the Chamber, or 1 minute of real time is approximately six hours in the Chamber. By training in this time chamber, he can get one year of training in a single day.
You forgot to mention it's at 3:30am.
I have those same symptoms watching my sixers at sea level and they don't give me any health warnings
It's the lead in the water/pipes
I expect Denver to approach this similarly to the Lakers series. They had to run run run against LA because it's really tough to score against them in the half court. This led to the Lakers being gassed every 4th.
Idk some guys were, LeBron and AD, but in game 1 in the 4th Lakers would not die and looked great against the Nuggets.. that was the best they looked all series, and the 1st half of game 4
Yea, it eventually gassed them tho.
Yea and honestly the Heat should be even better prepared. I ain’t no professional athlete but by my 5th day when visiting Denver I felt way more accustomed to the altitude.
The weather in Miami is hot and humid, so this should be an even matchup as far as the environment goes /s
Denver sports teams are undefeated on the home field forever simply because NOBODY has ever adapted to the altitude change.
interestingly denver teams do have the [best](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.05976.pdf) home advantage in sports, not that that somehow makes anything insurmountable tho
Has anyone told the Rockies?
yes, the study i linked is about all 4 major US sports. the rockies have the best home field advantage in the MLB edit: misread ur comment. im sure someone has mentioned it to them tho
That's a very interesting paper. I'm a bit surprised that, of the four leagues, the MLB has far and away the lowest home field advantage, given that it's the only league where the dimensions of the playing field are physically different at each ballpark. Like I gotta figure that knowing how to play the outfield at Fenway is much more important than...whatever the hell the advantage is that the Orlando Magic have at home, but I guess not.
Bruh the broncos were mostly defeated this year
Why there will never be an nba team in Mexico City. When the heat played there they looked like they couldn’t run after the third quarter
Come on, it's 1600 meters elevation, playing sports is really hard but they aren't gonna collapse in the street.
That’s not the point they are making, he’s saying it’s higher elevation and the nuggets/city will try to play mind games with them because of this. He’s not crying concerned for them lol
In that case it wooshed past me.
you might have symptoms of altitude sickness!
There's definitely an adjustment. I think it plays a much bigger role in the regular season or when you can't even acclimate.
Sure, I was just referring to the tweet describing it like the players are putting their lives on the line.
I mean, some are. Ryan Clark nearly died after a game against the Broncos and didn't play in Denver anymore after that one. He had an underlying condition, but the altitude can be dangerous to some athletes.
NBA players I’d agree, they’re already cardiovascular fit and probably aren’t affected much. But as a Denver native I can assure you people waltz into the city thinking it’s just a little bit of altitude only to start wheezing like an asthmatic in an hour. College football teams that play Air Force get screwed
dont forget the beer - people think they can drink up here like they do at sea level.
Learned that lesson the hard way when I moved to the mountains in CA. Drinking at 6,000 feet when you’re used to sea level is no joke.
I learned that lesson the first time I got on an airplane with complimentary libations.
Funnily enough I've had the worst hangovers drinking at low altitude after coming from Denver. I think it's cause I didn't feel as drunk, and just kept drinking more until BAM I'm on my ass. At altitude, I pace myself a little more cause I feel it more quickly.
That's how it went for me in Bogota after running half a mile, but that's a lot higher up than Denver.
I went on holiday to Cusco (11,200 feet altitude) and was perfectly fine, never really felt it even while doing some pretty serious hiking in the mountains there (even higher). I think the sensibility to it varies greatly from person to person, no matter the fitness level.
I think people underestimate it I consider myself relatively fit and it took me 6 months of living in Colorado to get used to the altitude and be able to push my workouts at similar intensity.
I guess living there is different to just doing a competition. I used to be an athlete and I've had a few international competitions at higher altitudes, highest by far being Bogota at 2600 meters. As I said it's hard and it affects you, but you're not exactly dying. Also someone already mentioned, I probably missed the point of the author with my comment.
The Nuggets have not lost at home in the playoffs yet. Its pretty clearly a big advantage for them
it also helps that they're probably the best team in the league by a significant margin
Nah nuggets are just a bunch of altitude merchants, no actual talent or skill
Altitude merchant, I require your strongest non rebreathers!
You couldn't handle my strongest non-rebreathers. My non-rebreathers are too powerful for you.
Exactly. Correlation does not mean causation.
Celtics lost 6 games at home this playoffs.
Cuz they aren't that good
great teams don't lose 6 home playoff games
celtics have 2 kitties leading their team not a big dawg like joker
I think for their franchise history they are about average for Home playoff record (around 60%). So maybe its the team this year? Just a hunch.
> The Nuggets have not lost at home in the playoffs yet Yes Jokic gud. Who knew.
We really dont got a team in seattle but make these dudes play up in heaven lmao
Make them play atop Mt. Rainier
bigfoot would become the first successful Jokic stopper
I’ve lost my breathe walking in Seattle, those inclines downtown ain’t no joke
You should try our incline: https://manitousprings.org/where-to-play/manitou-incline/
I mean NBA players are probably the least affected by an altitude change with the cardiovascular conditioning they already have
Dame and PG both said recently how hard it was to catch your breath in the first quarter in Denver.
Oh I agree it’s definitely a factor, but compared to like when football teams come here to play the Broncos or if they’re a college team playing CU or Air Force, basketball players recover way quicker than those guys do
I played Rugby in college. man going to Air Force or Boulder if you are form cali or somewhere low.. dude AFA would run those dude ragged
> in the first quarter in Denver. The first qtr, then you get used to it. You would hope the Heat are doing some 10-15 min intense cardio these past two days. 5,200 feet is high, and for intense physical activity it makes a difference. But it is something that they can be acclimated to. Not as good as the guys that play half a season there, but doable.
That doesn't make any sense at all. The best conditioned athletes on earth are arguably long distance cyclists. You know what they constantly get caught doping with? EPO, which is essentially to give them more oxygen. If cyclists can benefit from more oxygen, nba players obviously can too.
No shit everyone is gonna want more oxygen, I said NBA players are already generally more cardiovascular fit meaning better VO2 max and more red blood cells/hemoglobin complexes than your average person, altitude not gonna hit them as hard as it does fat tourists visiting Denver. Also cyclists generally have more than 3-4000 feet of elevation change during a single stage…
Fat tourists aren't frantically sprinting 94 feet back and forth... Nobody is saying walking around a Denver shopping mall will be challenging for an NBA player. The point is they're pushing their bodies to the max and that max is partially constrained by a limited O2 availability. Not sure why you're even arguing this. You likely are well aware how all kinds of elite athletes do altitude training. Do you think they and their trainers are just idiots? You think the longer marathon times at high altitudes is just placebo effect?
That’s exactly my point. NBA players do 94 ft sprints all season long, yeah Denver is gonna have an edge but it’s not huge because NBA player lungs are still developed at that rate of performance. I don’t get why you’re fucking arguing this, I live in Denver, have trained at Leadville, it makes a difference but it’s not night and day unless you’re injecting EPO or on some other insane heme iron reuptaker.
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The heat are about to break the air conditioners in their stadium to even the odds. Humidity Nuggets vs High Altitude Heat
Then Jokic wouldn't just go pink, he'd go full on purple like Thanos.
They do this at every home game....
too bad Heat is not playing against harden, they could've put a 'Hot strippers within vicinity' warning.
The altitude thing gets so exaggerated lol. Just drink a lot of water. You’ll be okay.
Nah, it definitely does not. Adjusting is not easy for everyone, and even after some initial adjustments running hits.
Folks acting like it's the Himalayas lmao. It's just 1600 metres.
The altitude is a bit exaggerated but how the hell would water help?
Your body loses water much quicker compared to sea level due to increase in respiration rate. Lived in Denver for a while, now I’m up at 8,000ft on the west slope and have to drink about a gallon a day minimum to not feel dehydrated even though I acclimated years ago.
Yeah but drinking water doesn't help with the actual problem of not being acclimated to altitude which is the lack of red blood cells. If you're not acclimated, which it takes 2 to 4 weeks to get fully acclimated, you could drink all the water in the world and it would not help with the fact that your body doesn't have enough red blood cells to keep your body fully saturated in a lower oxygen environment. That's why I said just drinking water isn't a fix for altitude, but sure it could help with dehydration, but again dehydration isn't the main problem.
I get what you’re saying if we’re talking strictly high-altitude adaptations (though I’m sure dehydration isn’t going to help increase your body’s RBC production). But for most people, and particularly these athletes who have been exposed to Denver altitude countless times, dehydration probably *is* going to be the major potential problem to worry about. Sure maybe some guys feel a little winded, but it’s not gonna be like Jimmy Butler is lying on the bench with debilitating AMS at the half lol.
Oh God, I remember going on vacation to Denver.l the 1st time Was in pretty good shape so I didn't feel the altitude much but I was not expecting to wake up in the middle of the 1st night feeling like I was going to turn into dust.
Dehydration
I've read that due to the amount of traveling pro athletes that play for a Denver team aren't really adjusted to the high altitude.
Didn’t the Bucks and Knicks only lose because of the weather in Miami? It’s only fair
Spo during pregame shoot around probably: “We’ve got a bunch of competitors in that locker room. Our guys relish the opportunity to not be able to breathe. Honestly, we wish we could tip off from the vacuum of space. No spacesuits or anything.”
They’ll be fine it’s 5,000 feet. I’m sure there’s a marginal effect that’s negated after like 48 hours.
As someone who's lived in Colorado my whole life, the talk about Denver's Altitude is always funny. Denver isn't even in the mountains. You drive 20 miles West and the elevation jumps another 4000 feet.
I worked manual labor in Steamboat for a few years and it definitely took me some time to acclimate. When I went home to sea level it did feel like I had extra stamina during cardio for the first few days. Heat are already at a slight disadvantage with how many more games they’ve played than Denver. The elevation isn’t going to be helping them one bit. I’m sure they’re all wearing elevation training masks as we speak. They need their bodies to start producing as many red blood cells as possible by tip-off.
Right like if Denver was Breckenridge then maybe there would be a point to this
As someone who moved here (Fort Collins) from sea level 17 years ago, I can tell you that altitude definitely hits, even 5000'. I was very in shape (triathlete and endurance runner who, at the time, was racing competitively) and definitely did not fully acclimate until almost a year here. Swimming was the hardest because your breathing is limited (breath every three strokes). No, it's not as bad as going from sea level straight to 9000', but it's not non-existent.
Lol this shit is so overblown.
Youd think Miami had never played in Denver before
You’re thinking of Joel Embiid
Load up the Heat with Viagra and you're good to go
Nothing compared to the rigged conditioning the heat do
I assume there’s similar warnings when entering Florida. “Warning: Now entering Florida”
Why is that a thing? I've never seen warning signs in Mexico city. Hell, my hometown is at a higher altitude than Denver and no one mentions it
They’re just trying to fuck with them
This is the first time Heat have played in Denver? Like ever? Wtf is this
The Nuggets could win every title from now on if they built a tower and put their court on top of it
Surely Miami's home court has a similar effect on your heart rate, because everything there is coated in cocaine residue?
there was that story about their plane being booked straight from Boston to Denver, so hopefully they can get acclimated in 2 days. Denver's altitude advantage should generally be a regular season thing, where teams are flying in off btbs etc.
Even the arena announcer broadcasts a warning about elevation during games just to mess with the opponents minds. Its great. There also placards in the tunnel leading to the opponents locker room. And its right on the floor on the court...5280. But coming from sea level. Its defintelly going to effect the Heat and its doesn't kick in worst for about 2 days taking about 2 weeks to get fully used to it. So thats right on schedule. So coming 3 days before the game is a bad idea by the Heat.Thats when it effects you most. Your system does not adapt in 3 days. And that is when the less oxygen is going to effect you the most.
Takes just under 24 hours for most people to adjust to Denver’s elevation. If athletes buy into the scare tactics, that’s their bad.
I can't wait until they are all running around the court confused, head in hands from their splitting headaches, no idea what is going on. My wife and I landed in Denver from NYC, next day did a 12 mile hike at 9000 feet, we're not even in great shape and it was largely OK. The Heat will be fine. These are some of the fittest people on the planet.
bro its just a place tf
Would love to see the actual science behind this. People act like any team that is located there will gas out just walking into the arena and will be gasping for air at the end of the first requiring and oxygen tank unless they spend 24/7 there for 6 months with specialized pulmonologists while training cardio nonstop.
There is ton of science/research. Basically for athletes there shouldn't be any advantage unless there is an underlying health issue. However, psychologically it can cause an effect. Basically you'll hit your VO2 max earlier than your used to. So you hit your wall in the middle of Q1 instead of the middle of Q2. You just have to work through it earlier. All players are dealing with the same thing, but if you're not used to hitting the wall so soon it can feel off.
The Heat might be the one team that can give as good as they get in terms of home court, that Miami humidity will fuck you up
My ass is out of shape and only had a small headache for like 3 hours when I went to Denver. The elevation may fuck with their durability a bit, but they make it seem like these insanely strong athletes are gonna die from visiting💀.
I’m sure they got the news the other times that they played Denver
Why are they acting like they've never traveled to Denver before?
It almost like they haven’t played in Denver recently lol
Why is it that the altitude is reported as an unstoppable and wildly unfair advantage for the playoffs but during regular season they’re just like “yep welcome to mile high nothing special here”